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#1 Scapes

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Posted March 19 2013 - 11:06 AM

Attention pilots,

Team HAWKEN has been diligently watching how players are getting into games since the Raider Update earlier this month. We noticed that players have been having difficulty finding matches due to our recent rating adjustments.

We've changed the rating for Advanced servers down to 1650 from 1700. The rating range has also changed to +/-125.

This change should pull players closer into their range and make the servers more widespread. The skills within each server should now be fairer for all players. Please note that these changes are not final and that we'll continue to hone in on the right values.
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Posted March 19 2013 - 11:07 AM

We'll see how this change pans out.

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Posted March 19 2013 - 11:12 AM

View PostScapes, on March 19 2013 - 11:06 AM, said:

The rating range has also changed to +/-125.

Please tell me that's a typo/bad wording, and that you mean +/- 325 rating difference.
Because otherwise you just made things even worse, and i might as well not bother with Hawken for a while.
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Posted March 19 2013 - 11:15 AM

View PostDread_Lord_Pitr, on March 19 2013 - 11:12 AM, said:

View PostScapes, on March 19 2013 - 11:06 AM, said:

The rating range has also changed to +/-125.

Please tell me that's a typo/bad wording, and that you mean +/- 325 rating difference.
Because otherwise you just made things even worse, and i might as well not bother with Hawken for a while.

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Posted March 19 2013 - 11:21 AM

I'd just take care of the real new players.

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Posted March 19 2013 - 11:21 AM

From last patch:

" Players with Pilot Ratings below 1475 can now always join Beginner servers while players with Pilot Ratings above 1700 can now always join Advanced servers."

They're increasing the range for high level players by lowering the "advanced" limit down to 1650.

Edited by _Caffeine_, March 19 2013 - 11:21 AM.


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Posted March 19 2013 - 11:27 AM

You have to stop and think about what their change really means.

Anyone above 1650 can play in any 1650+ server.  A 1700 player can't join 1500 games anymore.  They will be forced to "play up" if you will.  This gives veterans more people to play with, without allowing veterans (1800+) to play with 1600 level players.

It's more or less implementing a soft cutoff at 1650, and a hard cutoff at 1775.  If your MMR climbs too far beyond 1650 (1775 limit), you will only be able to play with 1650+ players.

I'm impressed with the way they have chosen to address the issue.

Edited by RentAKnight, March 19 2013 - 12:15 PM.

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Posted March 19 2013 - 11:31 AM

Thank you for the continued adjustments and efforts. Here's to hoping for the best.

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Posted March 19 2013 - 11:37 AM

Hmm while this is beta and testing, a range of 125 either way seems pretty low for the current playerbase. It'll be fine at peak times, but off peak it seems like it'll be pretty damn hard to find a game unless its facility which is pretty off putting given the high ping for non US players :/
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Posted March 19 2013 - 11:44 AM

View PostRentAKnight, on March 19 2013 - 11:27 AM, said:

You have to stop and think about what their change really means.

Anyone above 1650 can play in any 1650+ server.  A 1700 player can't join 1500 games anymore.  They will be forced to "play up" if you will.  This gives veterans more people to play with, without allowing veterans (1800+) to play with 1600 level players.

It's more or less implementing a hard cutoff at 1650.  If your MMR climbs too far beyond 1650 (1775 limit), you can only play with 1650+ players.

I'm impressed with the way they have chosen to address the issue.

Glad someone else understood what they did.

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Posted March 19 2013 - 11:52 AM

Well, i can now join 1! TDM server (and it's full of players i try to avoid like the plague) or sit in an empty lobby, unles i don't mind having an atrocious ping and playing on the US East/West servers, or being stuck with that godawfull Facility map, and still having an atrocious ping because all the test servers seem to reside in the US.
All other UK TDM lobbies are under 1800 rank or FULL.
So what has this change accomplished for us high ranked players in the UK/EU region ?
Nothing.
Nada.
Zip.
Still can't play a decent game.

Edited by Dread_Lord_Pitr, March 19 2013 - 11:53 AM.

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Posted March 19 2013 - 11:56 AM

RentAKnight pretty much got it spot on. Thanks for explaining it! The adjustments were made to pull some of the players into the "advanced" and "beginner" matches. There has been a abundance of mid level matches because that's where the bulk of the player ratings lie. People at the higher and lower ends of the spectrum were having difficulties getting into matches. These changes were in attempts alleviate some pain and at the same time, make the rest of the matches a bit fairer for all. Sorry if it has inconvenienced some people, but we are closely monitoring the issues and trying to adjust appropriately.

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Posted March 19 2013 - 11:57 AM

Agreed Rent.

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Posted March 19 2013 - 12:08 PM

View PostRentAKnight, on March 19 2013 - 11:27 AM, said:

You have to stop and think about what their change really means.

Anyone above 1650 can play in any 1650+ server.  A 1700 player can't join 1500 games anymore.  They will be forced to "play up" if you will.  This gives veterans more people to play with, without allowing veterans (1800+) to play with 1600 level players.

It's more or less implementing a hard cutoff at 1650.  If your MMR climbs too far beyond 1650 (1775 limit), you can only play with 1650+ players.

I'm impressed with the way they have chosen to address the issue.
Couldn't have said this better myself.
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Posted March 19 2013 - 12:12 PM

View PostDread_Lord_Pitr, on March 19 2013 - 11:52 AM, said:

Well, i can now join 1! TDM server (and it's full of players i try to avoid like the plague) or sit in an empty lobby, unles i don't mind having an atrocious ping and playing on the US East/West servers, or being stuck with that godawfull Facility map, and still having an atrocious ping because all the test servers seem to reside in the US.
All other UK TDM lobbies are under 1800 rank or FULL.
So what has this change accomplished for us high ranked players in the UK/EU region ?
Nothing.
Nada.
Zip.
Still can't play a decent game.
I'm not sure I understand Dread.  Are you avoiding them because you'd be pubstomping?  Since you're in the "advanced" range, you can join any server that's rated 1650 and above.  That should give you a lot more play ability.

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Posted March 19 2013 - 12:20 PM

@ Stutterstep : I'm avoiding that particular group because they're a bunch of obnoxious twits who ruin game after game by stacking the teams time and time again, something i'm done complaining about; i just refuse to play with these guys.
No nice way to put it, so i'm not going to sugarcoat it.

Also, i suppose you missed the part where i said "All other UK TDM lobbies are under 1800 rank or FULL" ?
My only choice is to either play with the A-holes, or sit in an empty lobby, hoping that enough people will eventually join...
Which in the last few days has proven rather pointless, as most of the time after 10-20 minutes i'm still sitting in an empty or nearly empty server with no game going on.
But as i already stated elsewhere, i'm done with Hawken, gonna take a 30 day break and hope things improve.
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Posted March 19 2013 - 01:08 PM

View PostDread_Lord_Pitr, on March 19 2013 - 12:20 PM, said:

@ Stutterstep : I'm avoiding that particular group because they're a bunch of obnoxious twits who ruin game after game by stacking the teams time and time again, something i'm done complaining about; i just refuse to play with these guys.
No nice way to put it, so i'm not going to sugarcoat it.

Also, i suppose you missed the part where i said "All other UK TDM lobbies are under 1800 rank or FULL" ?
My only choice is to either play with the A-holes, or sit in an empty lobby, hoping that enough people will eventually join...
Which in the last few days has proven rather pointless, as most of the time after 10-20 minutes i'm still sitting in an empty or nearly empty server with no game going on.
But as i already stated elsewhere, i'm done with Hawken, gonna take a 30 day break and hope things improve.
No, I didn't miss anything.  I guess this is why I don't quite understand:  "All other UK TDM lobbies are under 1800 or FULL."
I understand you have full servers, as everyone faces that battle.  However, the ones under 1800 shouldn't matter since all pilots above 1650 can always join an advanced server.  As long as it's 1650+ you can join it.

Either way, I'm not trying to argue with you or convince you of anything.  Just pointing that out.  Most everyone reaches a point in which they need, or want, to take a break.  If you've reached that point, go for it!  I enjoyed seeing you on the US East servers from time to time though.  We'll see you later.

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Posted March 19 2013 - 01:27 PM

Then why do i keep seeing the 'cannot join this server' message (the one you get on servers that are below your rank) on just about every game, even ones over 1650, and are all other servers full ?
Either i'm experiencing a bug then, or something's not right with the UK servers :huh:

Edited by Dread_Lord_Pitr, March 19 2013 - 01:29 PM.

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Posted March 19 2013 - 01:46 PM

View Post[HWK]Vitquay, on March 19 2013 - 11:56 AM, said:

Sorry if it has inconvenienced some people, but we are closely monitoring the issues and trying to adjust appropriately.

Much appreciated.  Unfortunately my current list of available TDMs on US West isn't reflecting much of a change:

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The 1650 cutoff does seem like a more realistic number for players to reach and I'm just crossing my fingers that within the next week we'll see more advanced servers popping up.  Thank you for acting on this so swiftly and not letting it sit.  As you are probably aware, this problem is really harming the lifeblood of the game and it is not something that one can just grin and bear for long.  

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Posted March 19 2013 - 01:47 PM

View PostDread_Lord_Pitr, on March 19 2013 - 12:20 PM, said:

@ Stutterstep : I'm avoiding that particular group because they're a bunch of obnoxious twits who ruin game after game by stacking the teams time and time again, something i'm done complaining about; i just refuse to play with these guys.
No nice way to put it, so i'm not going to sugarcoat it.
I think I know who you're talking about. They ruin pretty much every decent game I'm having these days...

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