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Are AIMBOTS going to start popping up on Hawken now?


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#1 Alastor_Crow

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Posted November 09 2013 - 01:55 AM

As per ADH/Meteor forum rules, I can't mention the name of the suspected player.

I usually give players the benefit of the doubt and I don't think I've ever called someone out as an aimbot user before but I have seen videos of people who use/advertise it and this player's movement is exactly like that of 3rd-party program users. I followed this guy around for 1 match just to satisfy my curiosity. The auto weapon never misses and no leading shots with TOWs. Even when the player is in mid-air, he's able to trail his weapons on you no matter what. I also don't think I've seen him miss a shot with a MIRV on his Raider. I also find it odd whenever his opponent goes behind cover, his aim is still directed at the opponent's movement -- even while dashing. That's what really convinced me.

Yes, there are some really good players out there and not all of them have been playing since Alpha/Closed Beta but it's quite fishy when you see a new player (lvl25) completely dominating the TDM full of Lv30 players. I'm far from being one of the best players out there but I know I can carry myself in a match most of the time. This new player's score soars around 900+ while the rest of the players are at 100~200 only (he did say it's his first account).

Hard to judge and hey, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe the guy really has perfect aim and environment awareness but as of now, I'm almost 100% certain that he does use a third-party-program.

I hope hackers don't end up ruining this game for everyone else the way they have on other shooter/FPS games.

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Posted November 09 2013 - 02:06 AM

I also noticed some players the past 2 days that seems way to good and I took the prediction just to observe the suspicious pilots. And just like you said they seem to see people trough walls and even when I was standing stealthed and observing behind a wall, he suddenly just rushed around the corner and started spraying at me.
Also he had like 1000ish score in a match with mostly lvl 30 pilots and and the suspect and another guy that also seemed to be a friend  was between lvl 10-20.

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Posted November 09 2013 - 02:15 AM

View PostKureno, on November 09 2013 - 02:06 AM, said:

I also noticed some players the past 2 days that seems way to good and I took the prediction just to observe the suspicious pilots. And just like you said they seem to see people trough walls and even when I was standing stealthed and observing behind a wall, he suddenly just rushed around the corner and started spraying at me.
Also he had like 1000ish score in a match with mostly lvl 30 pilots and and the suspect and another guy that also seemed to be a friend  was between lvl 10-20.
I double this.

Edited by TheVulong, November 09 2013 - 02:16 AM.

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Posted November 09 2013 - 02:17 AM

Yea ! I get those kinds of doubts sometimes ! but hey ; such people are so bad at the game and with a fast Scout or Inf , I take my revenge and sometimes even push them to leave :) not always but it happens !

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Posted November 09 2013 - 02:39 AM

Stealth is actually easy to see once you're used to it. There's also a bug (is it?) that allows the opponent to still see players on cloak/stealth mode in the radar. It's not that the player I saw knows someone is behind a wall, it's that the player's aim is following the person behind the wall.

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Posted November 09 2013 - 02:42 AM

I agreed with the op

I had your same doubts sometimes.

But as long as they will not put an anti cheat monitor we can just watch those kind of players.
Fortunately they are not so much and most matches are "clean"!

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Posted November 09 2013 - 02:46 AM

Since ascension I saw at least three cheaters. Not going  to tell they names (rules, you know) but it was 1) aimbotter - there was a thread about him vith proof video and I saw him like two or three days after that. Still aimbotting 2) speedhacker (reported him personally with video - get watery "sure, ok" responce but saw him still speedhacking in few days (I also get "have our support helped you" form on email, pressed "no" link and get 403:forbidden error. Nuff said) 3) aimbotter with obvious wallhack - didn't even tried to do something apart from noticing this in chat.
So I guess with such attitude the only thing that protects as from  abundance of cheaters is low popularity of this game.

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Posted November 09 2013 - 02:54 AM

With the predator now it is comically easy to spot cheaters.  I have seen 1 player who had obvious wallhack as I observed them using my predator for awhile in a match then clearly were watching me through the walls and ground when I was a level below them on Origin,  I have also see 1 obvious aimbotter, wrote their name down.

Man I just thought of the role the predator can play no other mech can play.. Hacker videographer lol.
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Posted November 09 2013 - 04:03 AM

You can even google - there are  aimbots and wallhacks for Hawken
and a thread that goes "Does this still work. As of October 2013? -Yes it does."
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Posted November 09 2013 - 04:41 AM

I've seen at least one cheater in the past month or so. The guy was pretty obviously either wall hacking and/or aimbotting. I would watch as this guy (Infiltrator) would be in the middle of a fight, but as I round the corner, he's completely ignoring the guy he was still in a battle with and aimed squarely on me. This goes on for several moments in the match, with this sub-lv30 player getting 800+ points in the match. The next match, he's got low 300, far below the other top scorers in the match, and was going down very, very easily. He comes back a match or so later, and the antics resume. If he weren't looking directly at me as I rounded corners, I may have passed it off as two players alternating turns between matches, but it was pretty obvious something fishy was going on.

It's times like these I wish my rig was capable of capturing gameplay. -_-

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Posted November 09 2013 - 04:54 AM

That's another good reason to put spectator mode into this game. :wub:I feel it's not an big issue yet, but I've bumped into a aimbotter twice on this game and watched on Saturnine's stream one botter in action.

It's so sad when ppl go for such an ugly program to be OP in shooters. Pathetic and destroying everyone's enjoy of challenge. Have a good day everyone. See you @ the battlegrounds! :ph34r:

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Posted November 09 2013 - 05:45 AM

I have been shadowing an account I suspect is using an aimbot for a little while now on UK
the guy was landing 100% Slug shots during the most intense face-to-face CQB vs Scouts and Infiltrators
after watching him fight others it's obvious that some sort of auto-tracking thing was being used as his aim locked on and never drifted even during the most frenetic bunny-hopping CQB and you can see his aim tracking stuff even when it's not visible
also whilst watching in killcam his every shot lands dead center without any drift at all
in addition so far I've not seen the guy use TOW or GL because of course those weapons don't benefit from aimbotting

I have growing suspicions about a couple of others as well
there are definitely cheats out there with live accounts

what's the standard procedure for reporting suspected cheats?
I can't record vids and screenshots don't help

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Posted November 09 2013 - 05:49 AM

View PostAlastor_Crow, on November 09 2013 - 02:39 AM, said:

Stealth is actually easy to see once you're used to it. There's also a bug (is it?) that allows the opponent to still see players on cloak/stealth mode in the radar. It's not that the player I saw knows someone is behind a wall, it's that the player's aim is following the person behind the wall.
can people cause this to happen on purpose or is it just random? wondering because of the people that seem to instantly know where i am at all times.

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Posted November 09 2013 - 06:14 AM

I have played a few matches like this, once I was even in a match with three hackers that were all in a party together. It definitely feels like it's happening more frequently. The best thing is to do is just put some videos up on a support ticket.

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Posted November 09 2013 - 06:18 AM

View PostOdinTheWise, on November 09 2013 - 06:14 AM, said:

I have played a few matches like this, once I was even in a match with three hackers that were all in a party together. It definitely feels like it's happening more frequently. The best thing is to do is just put some videos up on a support ticket.
and if you can't record videos, what then?
the only way I can get videos of the guy I was talking about is to ask other people who can record to shadow him but if I can't name the account how is that going to happen?

~fortunately~ the level up grind in this game is so @rse-tighteningly slow* that if a cheater gets his level 20+ cheat account banned he might be put off going through all that again

* 36 hours in and still less than half the XP needed to reach 30

Edited by Muffintrumpet, November 09 2013 - 06:21 AM.

"To the untrained eye this chart may indeed appear to demonstrate a steep and sustained downward trend; however, what you're actually seeing is the line being dragged down because of the strengthening gravitational pull of a player base that is actually increasing in density.  Rest assured, this is all going completely according to plan."


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Posted November 09 2013 - 06:20 AM

I must observe I've been noticing more and more new people joining high level servers and dominating everybody since Invasion patch. Yeah, I understand some people have a talent and are good at basically any FPS game, but seriously; I've seen many people with the characteristics here mentioned.. eg.. Following through walls, rapid turns, not missing a shot.. Just to satisfy my curiosity I googled "Hawken aimbot" and I found a video with somebody actually using an aimbot (Won't say his name here since it is against the rules). I just want to let know the devs and everybody that this is a REAL ISSUE that needs to be adressed ASAP. The problem is that maybe honest players consider using aimbots just to fight aimbots (Fighting fire with fire) and it is not to alarm anybody, but this could be a bigger issue on the future. What I've been noticing is that the people that are doing this are actually new people (Which I imagine, people who had accounts and made new ones just to sue their aimbots and piss everyone off).

As I said, Im not trying to alarm everybody; most players out there (The ones I play with regularly) are just good players (Please nerf!), I just want the game to be fair for everybody. :)

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Posted November 09 2013 - 06:26 AM

View PostMuffintrumpet, on November 09 2013 - 06:18 AM, said:

View PostOdinTheWise, on November 09 2013 - 06:14 AM, said:

I have played a few matches like this, once I was even in a match with three hackers that were all in a party together. It definitely feels like it's happening more frequently. The best thing is to do is just put some videos up on a support ticket.
and if you can't record videos, what then?
the only way I can get videos of the guy I was talking about is to ask other people who can record to shadow him but if I can't name the account how is that going to happen?

~fortunately~ the level up grind in this game is so @rse-tighteningly slow* that if a cheater gets his level 20+ cheat account banned he might be put off going through all that again

* 36 hours in and still less than half the XP needed to reach 30

You can name names in a support ticket where you can describe the type of behavior. You don't need to have video but it's much more helpful

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Posted November 09 2013 - 07:04 AM

I believe It shouldn't be that hard to verify aimbots since the game tracks accuracy stats.
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Posted November 09 2013 - 07:20 AM

View Postspace_, on November 09 2013 - 02:54 AM, said:

With the predator now it is comically easy to spot cheaters.  I have seen 1 player who had obvious wallhack as I observed them using my predator for awhile in a match then clearly were watching me through the walls and ground when I was a level below them on Origin,  I have also see 1 obvious aimbotter, wrote their name down.

Man I just thought of the role the predator can play no other mech can play.. Hacker videographer lol.

I saw this last night. I was on Lost Eco and I was sneaking around to get behind the enemy team, you know, to watch them repair in hiding -_- Anyway, this guy not only sees me behind some trees and a rock, but he shot a Corsair shot at me. It missed, so I was still cloaked, I walked back and around a wall with a tunnel and watched him walking around the opposite side, watching me.. I called him on it then he seemed to have either shut if off or pretended he couldn't see me anymore. I think the latter because I saw him look at me while I was cloaked a couple times then look away.

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Posted November 09 2013 - 07:37 AM

I met hackers from time to time on UK servers. Sometimes its quiet easy to spot them. As long the playerbase is so small you know imidiatly that something is fishy when a new guy comes on a lvl 30 round and totally dominates everybody by x3 or x4 (in points) when the round finishes but is a pilot lvl 5 with a rank 2 mech.




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