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#1 TerranCmdr

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Posted March 07 2013 - 09:18 AM

Hello,

I've been having pretty crappy FPS lately, worse than what it used to be in CB 1-3, and I can't seem to figure out the problem.  From what I can understand, I have a pretty decent system (runs BF3 at High/Ultra at around 40fps), but even on Medium settings (PhysX off) I'm getting huge FPS drops whenever I'm in combat.  I will get solid numbers when I get home later, but I would say around 30-40fps when not in combat, with drops down to 10 or below when there are like 3 or more mechs in close proximity.  I've even tried going full low settings and I still get slowdowns in combat, although noticeably higher fps when no other mechs around (50-60).

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Mobo: MSI 890FXA-GD65
Proc: AMD Athlon Phenom II X6 1090t 3.2Ghz
-CM Hyper 212+ Cooler with 2x Scythe 1900rpm Slipstreams
RAM: 8GB (2x4) 1600 GSkill
GPU: MSI Radeon 6950 1GB
  
-Temping at around 75C under load, could be causing issues?

Running at 1920x1080, my monitor's native is 1920x1200 but it seems to run better at the lower resolution.

Yes, I have the latest AMD drivers.
The two things I think might be holding me back are
   1. Video card (overheating?)
   2. Motherboard (POS)


So, any help on this?  I realize that Hawken is still in beta so there is a lot of optimization yet to be implemented, but it seems to me that
  1. I used to get better fps during Closed Beta, Medium/High settings
  2. My system should have no troubles running this at Medium

Any suggestions are much appreciated.  Like I said, I'll record some video later today with FPS monitor running to see if I can get some solid numbers.
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Posted March 07 2013 - 11:16 AM

Get your videos settings down, and be happy of what you have.

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Temping at around 75C under load, could be causing issues?
that's hot, way too hot. my nvidia 9500 GT is overclocked of more than 25 %, and the temp never get hotter than 60 °c while playing Hawken. I'm surprised you don't get BSOD screen with this huge heating issues.
EDIT: documented myself, it's usual for ati cards.
Another point is that Hawken (as i know) doesn't support multithreading, i don't know how multicore AMD power is distributed, but if it's something like 3200/6 per core ( pretty sure it's not that), then you'll have issues with your CPU.
and was your processor a 4 core processor before?

Edited by Vdragon, March 07 2013 - 11:30 AM.


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Posted March 07 2013 - 11:43 AM

Nope, haven't changed a thing on my computer since I started playing Hawken in Alpha 3.

I suppose my CPU could be bottlenecking due to the lack of multi-core support.  Just seems strange that it would be worse since Closed Beta.  I honestly do suspect my motherboard as I've had problems with it in the past.
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Posted March 07 2013 - 11:52 AM

I'm having the same problems, even on low settings.

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Posted March 07 2013 - 12:30 PM

Care to share your system specs, Cyclonus?
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Posted March 07 2013 - 01:49 PM

http://community.pla...patch-and-menu/

this is a known problem since this patch http://community.pla...h-notes-021213/

almost same fps on low and high graphics after playing 1-2 rounds
looking at my first topic you can see that it's not your pc causing this :)

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Posted March 07 2013 - 01:55 PM

Hm, I really don't understand what's going on then, since I actually have higher specs than my friend's machine, who is using AMD chip and graphics, and he runs Medium no problem at all.

I wonder if it's a multi-core processor issue?

Edited by TerranCmdr, March 07 2013 - 01:55 PM.

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Posted March 07 2013 - 02:06 PM

quote from the topic I posted...

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He has the same problem lol, and his specs are much higher than mine and yours
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Posted March 07 2013 - 02:08 PM

That's so weird because it seems to be completely random.

Although I did read his post, and he said he was getting slowdowns in big open areas.  My fps is decent in big open spaces, it's when there's a big battle that I get slowdowns.
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Posted March 07 2013 - 02:16 PM

look at the middle of origin, thats what he means :)
the fps drop doesnt start right away, it needs a few minutes and it can get worse when playing a longer while..
I hope they will find the reason for this soon and fix it >.<
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Posted March 07 2013 - 02:18 PM

Ah, gotcha. ;)

I hope so too, I feel like this is holding me back skill wise.
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Posted March 07 2013 - 06:41 PM

I can play fine with physx off but, if I turn them on or high I get very low fps and your about 2 see I shouldn't

3930k oced 4.8ghz
2 680 4gig FTW+ Sli
3 acer 1920x1080p monitors
256 gig ocz vertex 4

I need triple screen support a.s.a.p and Im running that latest beta drivers 3-4-13 I think from nvidia!!
What happens is my 2nd card get gets up to about 99% usage but the other card is around 20% and with everything on ultra only on 1 screen I get about 20% usage per gpu but again, that's just one screen...

Love the game I bought about 50 bucks of credits!!!
no more BF3 for me :)

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Posted March 08 2013 - 12:18 AM

Edit: Updated data readout.

My method was rather crude so these numbers are probably about 80% accurate, however they give a picture of what I've been experiencing.  I thought that my video card might be overheating but I no longer think that's the case, although it is running a bit hot.

The FPS is an average, +/- 7fps.
The heat is an average taken every 10 seconds, so this is +/- .5 degree.
I analyzed and collected this data based on a video recording of my screen on a separate camera, so there was no interference from recording software.  I used SeedFan to monitor temps and the ingame "stat fps" command to monitor fps.


Test 1: Training, Low/Low
Average FPS: 44
Min FPS: 35
Average CPU Temp: 30
Average GPU Temp: 70

Test 2: Training, Med/Med
Average FPS: 38
Min FPS: 17
Average CPU Temp: 31
Average GPU Temp: 71

Test 3: Training, Ultra/Ultra
Average FPS: 29
Min FPS: 17
Average CPU Temp: 31
Average GPU Temp: 70

Test 4: Prosk DM, Med/Med
Average FPS: 38
Min FPS: 17
Average CPU Temp: 31
Average GPU Temp: 72


Link to my raw data if interested

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Relevant System Specs:
AMD Phenom II X6 1090t @ 3.2GHz (stock) Note: I feel like my temps are a little high for this setup
-Hyper 212+ cooler with 2x Scythe 2000rpm fans
8GB DDR3 1600 Gskill RAM
MSI 890fxa-GD65 motherboard
MSI Twin Frozr III Radeon 6950 1GB

Edited by TerranCmdr, March 13 2013 - 10:30 AM.

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Posted March 08 2013 - 02:03 AM

these FPS numbers are ~same as mine too, the gap between low and ultra settings should be much higher
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Posted March 18 2013 - 09:08 AM

View PostAdmiral2145, on March 07 2013 - 06:41 PM, said:

I can play fine with physx off but, if I turn them on or high I get very low fps and your about 2 see I shouldn't

3930k oced 4.8ghz
2 680 4gig FTW+ Sli
3 acer 1920x1080p monitors
256 gig ocz vertex 4

I need triple screen support a.s.a.p and Im running that latest beta drivers 3-4-13 I think from nvidia!!
What happens is my 2nd card get gets up to about 99% usage but the other card is around 20% and with everything on ultra only on 1 screen I get about 20% usage per gpu but again, that's just one screen...

Love the game I bought about 50 bucks of credits!!!
no more BF3 for me :)
I will need to try turning off/down physx, but I think the problem is CPU related.  I have an i5 3570k @ 4.2 GHz, 8 GB 1866 RAM,EVGA 660 SC in SLI and the game on an SSD and I get dips in FPS to the mid 20's(running at 1080p) when there are fights with 4 or so guys and a bunch of explosions. You have a more powerful setup than me but I got low GPU usage and high CPU usage. Plus, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't physx all GPU.

Edited by G1zmo, March 18 2013 - 10:52 AM.


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Posted March 18 2013 - 02:21 PM

Same here...FX 6100 with a Radeon 6670... not a powerhouse by far, but before the patch I could play on High and be fine. no matter what was going on. Now I'm forced to play on Low and god forbid if everyone congregates into one place ( yet its random... some matches i can have a full room and never get a problem) Also, my ping has went up from its usual also. i use to average no more than 80, but now I average around 108.

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Posted March 18 2013 - 09:42 PM

It's definitely a coding issue and not on the processor side.  Though there has been a thread going on about adjusting pre-rendered frames in the graphics control panel that has given two users a gain in FPS and playability.  You could try that.  Easy enough, but remember to "restore defaults" if not working out for you:-

http://community.pla...rames-set-to-1/

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