HAWKEN servers are up and our latest minor update is live!
Forgot Password? SUPPORT REDEEM CODE

Jump to content


Bug or Hax?


  • Please log in to reply
10 replies to this topic

#1 p4g3m4s7r

p4g3m4s7r

    Member

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 23 posts

Posted October 30 2012 - 08:07 PM

Recently, I've seen a couple players (who I won't name because there are no callouts allowed) using items and mech variants that don't seem to be available. For instance, I've seen an A class mech carrying a Vulcan cannon (which I don't even think is available) and an A class sniper mech with the cloaking ability. As far as I can tell, neither of these items/variants are actually available in game, so I was wondering if perhaps I was mistaken about the availability of these weapons or if there's a client side issue that causes players to look like they have cloak.

The reason I was initially suspicious is because the player with cloak was cloaked for a much longer period of time than I expected cloak to work (we had a protracted engagement that actually seemed to extend past an entire minute and he was cloaked the whole time).

#2 Astrolis

Astrolis

    Advanced Member

  • Full Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 487 posts
  • LocationUnited States

Posted October 30 2012 - 08:09 PM

Screenshots of game and/or Scoreboard please.

Remember people, if you are suspect please provide possible evidence.
Posted Image

#3 p4g3m4s7r

p4g3m4s7r

    Member

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 23 posts

Posted October 30 2012 - 08:17 PM

I'll be more vigilant next time, I think I was just so surprised I didn't screenshot. Anyway, it doesn't matter because there's no callouts. A screenshot would effectively be a callout unless I put the picture in paint and blanked out the name. Also, I don't know how a screen shot would help, since it would simply be either an invisible mech, or a standard looking A-class mech that is far away. You can only tell their weapons loadout by when they shoot you or fire next to you and you hear the weapon sound.

#4 Astrolis

Astrolis

    Advanced Member

  • Full Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 487 posts
  • LocationUnited States

Posted October 30 2012 - 08:22 PM

Callout or not, a screenshot would prove innocence or guilt. Either outcome is good for the community as a whole.

2 screenshots with a time stamp can make all the difference. You can add time stamps to most screenshots in the preference menu of whatever program you are using for it.

Edited by Astrolis, October 30 2012 - 08:22 PM.

Posted Image

#5 Inny

Inny

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 113 posts

Posted October 30 2012 - 08:47 PM

While I'm not denying the possibility of Exploits, I believe that some people disguise their mechs under the body shop customisation.

I was engaged with what I thought was a sharpshooter, only to be rattled in the face with a Vulcan from the beserker class.

#6 Elix

Elix

    Good Guy Elix

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 4,228 posts
  • LocationFred's cockpit

Posted October 30 2012 - 08:53 PM

The Vulcan cannon is unlocked at mech level 20. That's why you can't buy and equip it.

You can also choose between the two different model part sets for a class of mech. You can be an Assault mech with the Civ (sharpshooter? memory's fuzzy) model. The model is not an automatic representation of the class you're fighting.
HAWKEN Community Values (updated!)

ETA for $feature_you_want to be added to Hawken Open Beta: Imminent™
See someone breaking the rules? Don't reply, just hit Report. I am a player, not staff.
Drinking game: Check the daily stats. If I'm not the top, DRINK! (I'm joking!)

#7 Inny

Inny

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 113 posts

Posted October 30 2012 - 08:59 PM

I have two level 20 mechs, and huh~ I never even noticed the point D vulcan before. I always just presumed it was a beserker weapon. the more you know!

But yes, going back on topic, I've only used the Sharpshooter and Assault classes myself, so I'm not really sure what body shop customisations are on offer for the light and heavy classes, I've only seen the Rookie and Civ parts

I initially presumed that you could use parts from the selection you own, since those are the only options I have, but I haven't earned enough points to buy a heavy or light class to test.

#8 Elix

Elix

    Good Guy Elix

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 4,228 posts
  • LocationFred's cockpit

Posted October 30 2012 - 09:02 PM

Each class of mechs can wear either set of parts available to that class. They just have to buy the parts for the model they don't have.

Don't know what's going on with that cloaking, though.
HAWKEN Community Values (updated!)

ETA for $feature_you_want to be added to Hawken Open Beta: Imminent™
See someone breaking the rules? Don't reply, just hit Report. I am a player, not staff.
Drinking game: Check the daily stats. If I'm not the top, DRINK! (I'm joking!)

#9 p4g3m4s7r

p4g3m4s7r

    Member

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 23 posts

Posted October 30 2012 - 09:08 PM

I'm not saying the cloaking mech looked like a sharpshooter. It actually looked like the starting assault mech (when it wasn't cloaked), and I actually got close enough to that one to see that it actually had a sabot rifle and slug rifle. Not only that, but when engaged with it one on one, I was clearly being hit with sabot and slug rifle rounds (they have distinct hit characteristics and sounds).

So that one is not a question of what weapons he had with a cloaking mech, but more of whether or not it is possible to cloak a mech with that weapons loadout (or give a cloakable mech those weapons).

I'll admit I'm less sure of the vulcan cannon mech, though. It definitely didn't have the shield arms, but I guess if you can unlock the vulcan for assault or Berserker class then that would fit what I saw and is clearly not a real problem.


Quote

Callout or not, a screenshot would prove innocence or guilt. Either outcome is good for the community as a whole.
2 screenshots with a time stamp can make all the difference. You can add time stamps to most screenshots in the preference menu of whatever program you are using for it.

I was saying a screenshot wouldn't prove anything. You can't look at a cloaked mech and tell what weapons they have, and you can't look at an uncloaked mech and determine that it can cloak. The only differentiating factor would be the name, which I will not post, because you are not allowed to on the forums

Edited by p4g3m4s7r, October 30 2012 - 09:11 PM.


#10 Inny

Inny

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 113 posts

Posted October 30 2012 - 09:13 PM

That does seem odd for sure. The only mech that should have the ability to use camouflage is the infiltrator, and that definitely doesn't have a Sabot Rifle. Although... it would kind of be fitting for the class (even if it would encourage camping)~ It could have possibly been a dev testing a change in abilities (Being a sharpshooter pilot myself there are times when I feel I'm doing far too much damage, I'm sure many other's have screamed for a nerf.). Don't suppose if you remember if there was [MTR] in their name tag?

But, to flat out answer, in the current build that most players have available to them, the Sabot Rifle and Slug Rifle have no possible mech combination to allow them to use Cloaking as well.

#11 Elix

Elix

    Good Guy Elix

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 4,228 posts
  • LocationFred's cockpit

Posted October 30 2012 - 09:28 PM

View Postp4g3m4s7r, on October 30 2012 - 09:08 PM, said:

I'm not saying the cloaking mech looked like a sharpshooter. It actually looked like the starting assault mech (when it wasn't cloaked), and I actually got close enough to that one to see that it actually had a sabot rifle and slug rifle. Not only that, but when engaged with it one on one, I was clearly being hit with sabot and slug rifle rounds (they have distinct hit characteristics and sounds).
15 seconds in the Garage later...

This is what you saw, man. The Civ and Rookie models are available for either Sharpshooter or Assault. They just start with their default. Like I said, I don't know what's up with the cloaking, but everything else you're reporting is standard behavior and not a bug OR a hack.

Edited by Elix, October 30 2012 - 09:30 PM.

HAWKEN Community Values (updated!)

ETA for $feature_you_want to be added to Hawken Open Beta: Imminent™
See someone breaking the rules? Don't reply, just hit Report. I am a player, not staff.
Drinking game: Check the daily stats. If I'm not the top, DRINK! (I'm joking!)




1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users