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#1 Silent_

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Posted July 25 2014 - 12:29 PM

I would like to start discussion about the topic. Altough problem isnt common and usually not continuous, Ive ran into some really annoying players.

For example this one person always falsely accusing me of using cheats with clearly no logic behind it at all, ie. speedhack when he keeps following me around EMPing me and blocking my path with blockades. Its gotten much worse lately, very short time ago being the most recent case where this person did literally nothing else than blocking and EMPing me.

And thats not even all of it. I asked around and heard he does that to pretty much everyone, making effort so that his team will lose and then laughs at them. Propably not every single game but still too often.

Stuff like this happens once in a while and its not a big deal, but once it just keeps going on, like in this particular case for over month now, it starts to get annoying.

So is there any system to deal with said players. Even if it isnt as bad as cheating and such, or maybe in cases like this it is, this kind of behaviour shouldnt be allowed. Maybe warning, then suspension and if nothing else works, ban.

Communitys thoughts on this?

EDIT; oh, and this kept going on till I left the server. Propably around few hours.

Edited by Silent_, July 25 2014 - 12:31 PM.


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Posted July 25 2014 - 12:31 PM

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Posted July 25 2014 - 12:39 PM

View PostMeraple, on July 25 2014 - 12:31 PM, said:

Welcome to the internet!

For the most part its just bananas and apples.

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#4 Silent_

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Posted July 25 2014 - 12:46 PM

Heh, I kinda deserved that one, didnt I.
On the more serious note, how about stop derailing this right from the start.^^

Edited by Silent_, July 25 2014 - 12:46 PM.


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Posted July 25 2014 - 12:48 PM

View PostSilent_, on July 25 2014 - 12:46 PM, said:

Heh, I kinda deserved that one, didnt I.
On the more serious note, how about stop derailing this right from the start.^^
It's derailed because the post is over. You can't change how players play other than adding the option for a vote kick, which has been kicked back and forth so many times that almost no one on the forums is going to be willing to enter that discussion.
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Posted July 25 2014 - 01:11 PM

There is not much you can do. Hawken players are (from what I see) generic gamers that flip out at anything. It's hard to tell if someone is actually hacking because good players bounce around so much. You can generally easily spot hackers who are standing still with aimbot, so all the real hackers are actually either really experienced in gameplay and can cover their tracks well or are just straight up noobs who are easy to spot. Fortunately and unfortunately, you sound like neither, more like an avid player like me.

Some people can just get really mad. The Internet is a great mask that you can create yourself. You can hide as much of your face as you want. They can be mad for whatever reason they wish and never get an explanation nor a back-story.

The metaphors aside, ya, there are people out there who do crazy stuff. That guy sounded like he was trying to draw attention away from himself by singling out another "Hacker". Unfortunately, It didn't sound like it worked so well. Did anyone else say anything about him? What was the chat like? Did anyone rage quit?

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Posted July 25 2014 - 01:11 PM

If it's someone that continually causes problems you can report the player to the HAWKEN support team.

Edited by mmm_yep, July 25 2014 - 01:12 PM.


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Posted July 25 2014 - 01:15 PM

View Postmmm_yep, on July 25 2014 - 01:11 PM, said:

If it's someone that continually causes problems you can report the player to the HAWKEN support team.

Somebody told me to go hang myself, ADH doesn't even care.
This solution will absolutely work!

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Posted July 25 2014 - 01:15 PM

View PostMeraple, on July 25 2014 - 12:31 PM, said:

Welcome to the internet!

View PostLoC_TR, on July 25 2014 - 12:39 PM, said:

View PostMeraple, on July 25 2014 - 12:31 PM, said:

Welcome to the internet!

For the most part its just bananas and apples.

View Postticklemyiguana, on July 25 2014 - 12:48 PM, said:

It's derailed because the post is over. You can't change how players play other than adding the option for a vote kick, which has been kicked back and forth so many times that almost no one on the forums is going to be willing to enter that discussion.

You all quit being difficult.   The threads not over.  


Get some video evidence of the guy, and if you can't then thats ok (screen shots of the chat might help) and file a player report for harassment behavior.

That sort of activity is against the "Rules of conduct" located here.


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Posted July 25 2014 - 01:19 PM

Well, like I said in the post, Ive heard similar stories from multiple players, both in server and from my friendlist. Its been going on for so long that usually theres just some chatting like please leave and such, but because theres not much we can do about it, players just try to deal with it. And yes, during all that time it did cause some ragequits.

EDIT; So infact it really is against rules? Good to know. I dont know about recording but Ill see if i can take some screenshots next time Ill see him, and maybe ask some friends to also do so.

And im not sure but I think someone mentioned recording / taking screenshots and reporting during previous session.

Edited by Silent_, July 25 2014 - 01:22 PM.


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Posted July 25 2014 - 01:23 PM

View PostSS396, on July 25 2014 - 01:15 PM, said:

You all quit being difficult.   The threads not over.  

Oh, but I'm afraid it is.

You can report tons of people.
ADH basicly tells you IDGAF by not responding.

Even if they DID do something, there'll always be more people like that.
You can't prevent it.
Like I said, welcome to the internet.



A simple solution is to mute the player. :mellow:

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Posted July 25 2014 - 01:33 PM

Yes I know customer supports tend to be like that. For example valve is still "looking into" joystick related bug that works in one game but doesnt in other one, all it would take to compare the codes to see whats wrong. (Most likely.)

But still, is it wrong to care about this game? And who knows, maybe developers will take action once the evidence is gathered.

Oh, and like mute would stop him from following me around and EMPing me once I get into fight. And if it were just trash talking, I wouldnt even care.

Edited by Silent_, July 25 2014 - 01:35 PM.


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Posted July 25 2014 - 01:35 PM

View PostMeraple, on July 25 2014 - 01:23 PM, said:

You can report tons of people.
ADH basicly tells you IDGAF by not responding.

You are incorrect, AGAIN.

ADH has no obligation to respond to you in relation to a player report, its clearly written in their EULA.  (same goes for all big companys like SONY, EA, etc)  Its standard operating procedure.

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So just because you don't effectively see any results and a return communication does not mean that ADH sat on their hands and did nothing.  By reporting the player you are bringing it to their attention, and if they deem it necessary, or of others have also reported said player, they will be more likely to actually enforce some sort of warning or punishment.

You sir are setting a bad example and spreading false information.  I suggest you stop being such a "bad apple" and conduct yourself in a different manner.  If you don't like the way ADH does their business, then you GTFO, at least then there will be less false information spread.
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Posted July 25 2014 - 01:37 PM

View PostMeraple, on July 25 2014 - 01:23 PM, said:

View PostSS396, on July 25 2014 - 01:15 PM, said:

You all quit being difficult.   The threads not over.  

Oh, but I'm afraid it is.

You can report tons of people.
ADH basicly tells you IDGAF by not responding.

Even if they DID do something, there'll always be more people like that.
You can't prevent it.
Like I said, welcome to the internet.



A simple solution is to mute the player. :mellow:
u r 2 sKePTiCaL. ADH does care, but in a small company, they can't do very much about it when there are actual hackers out there.

Edited by ticklemyiguana, July 25 2014 - 01:37 PM.

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Posted July 25 2014 - 01:41 PM

Reporting players does work, here's one example: https://community.pl...980#entry552731

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Posted July 25 2014 - 01:43 PM

Now that I looked into those rules of conduct, its amusing how many rules are being violated.

Btw, dunno about you guys but I dont think developers are doing THAT bad job. Actually when I started back in the January I was impressed how frequent updates were. Recently its been bit more quiet but lets hope something awesome is in the works.

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Posted July 25 2014 - 01:45 PM

View PostFantus_Longhorn, on July 25 2014 - 01:41 PM, said:

Reporting players does work, here's one example: https://community.pl...980#entry552731
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Posted July 25 2014 - 01:46 PM

View PostSS396, on July 25 2014 - 01:35 PM, said:

View PostMeraple, on July 25 2014 - 01:23 PM, said:

You can report tons of people.
ADH basicly tells you IDGAF by not responding.

You are incorrect, AGAIN.

ADH has no obligation to respond to you in relation to a player report, its clearly written in their EULA.  (same goes for all big companys like SONY, EA, etc)  Its standard operating procedure.

That they have no obligation to respond doesn't mean they can't.
Responding atleast gives the sign that they are doing something, which is one of the things the Dev. Updates are about.



View PostSS396, on July 25 2014 - 01:35 PM, said:

You sir are setting a bad example and spreading false information.  I suggest you stop being such a "bad apple" and conduct yourself in a different manner.  If you don't like the way ADH does their business, then you GTFO, at least then there will be less false information spread.

LOL

You go full rude on me without me even being an ass, or anything close to it.
Good job setting a good example yourself, sir. :)


If you want to turn this into a personal attack, go ahead.
I'm sure it doesn't violate any of those rules, right?




View Postticklemyiguana, on July 25 2014 - 01:37 PM, said:

u r 2 sKePTiCaL. ADH does care, but in a small company, they can't do very much about it when there are actual hackers out there.

I'm skeptical yes. :D
I'd say a simple warning would be enough, a few words in a PM or something.
I don't know how small they are, but I think they have enough people to do that when evidence is brought.

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Posted July 25 2014 - 01:49 PM

View PostMeraple, on July 25 2014 - 01:46 PM, said:

View Postticklemyiguana, on July 25 2014 - 01:37 PM, said:

u r 2 sKePTiCaL. ADH does care, but in a small company, they can't do very much about it when there are actual hackers out there.

I'm skeptical yes. :D
I'd say a simple warning would be enough, a few words in a PM or something.
I don't know how small they are, but I think they have enough people to do that when evidence is brought.
I think, looking at some released tax documents, they have between and 10 and 25 people running the whole thing. Coding, community, inter-company relations, finances, everything. I think they do a startlingly good job for that amount.
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Posted July 25 2014 - 01:51 PM

View Postticklemyiguana, on July 25 2014 - 01:49 PM, said:

View PostMeraple, on July 25 2014 - 01:46 PM, said:

View Postticklemyiguana, on July 25 2014 - 01:37 PM, said:

u r 2 sKePTiCaL. ADH does care, but in a small company, they can't do very much about it when there are actual hackers out there.

I'm skeptical yes. :D
I'd say a simple warning would be enough, a few words in a PM or something.
I don't know how small they are, but I think they have enough people to do that when evidence is brought.
I think, looking at some released tax documents, they have between and 10 and 25 people running the whole thing. Coding, community, inter-company relations, finances, everything. I think they do a startlingly good job for that amount.

10-25 people?
..Lol, I expected a bit more tbh.

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