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#1 h0B0

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Posted February 19 2013 - 05:06 PM

Once upon a time, in a game called Hawken there was an offensive item called the HE charge.

The HE was the ugly duckling of all the other items. It had a very high skill floor compared to the other internals. It also had little versatility compared to items that had the radius of a tsar bomb that passes through walls and auto aiming turrets that reveal enemy location cross map.

But the narrator of this story had high hopes for this ugly duckling. He envisioned a world where the emp would get the nerf it still deserves. The turrets would outgrow their low skill floor and over hyped plumage. And the HE would finally get its place in the spotlight as a skill based efficient way of destroying enemy mechs.

Sadly on 01/24/13 all that changed. The HE got a little brother. And this little brother turned out to be more of an evil twin. The name of this item was the detonator. So the little brother had a lot of things going for it. It flew for larger range than its predecessor. It could be detonated mid air. It had ginormous splash. It did not require the pilot to aim "up" or to "charge" the item.

The HE seemed beat in every category save one. Of course i take the liberty of not including bouncing on walls because we all know about the treacherous nature of the geometry on walls in Hawken and how they like to throw these nades right back at you. The HE still did the most burst damage. And the narrator of this story still had high hopes for this undiscovered swan.

Finally on an day like any other day. Without patch notes or fanfare. The evil twin, detonator, made a pact with the devils and without sacrificing utility became just as powerful as the misunderstood HE. And from that day on, the HE will remain the ugly duckling of offensive items.

Lesson of the story: Balance between versatility and power doesn't really matter kids as long as you have devils buffing you in secret.

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Oh don't always listen to h0B0. Lol.


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Posted February 19 2013 - 05:09 PM

I have a sad. HE needs detonation function.

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Posted February 19 2013 - 05:13 PM

View Postmarshalade, on February 19 2013 - 05:09 PM, said:

I have a sad. HE needs detonation function.
Even with such a function it still is less viable than the Detonator.

Detonator has more range, more clutch potential and possibly more AOE.
HE has unreliable bouncing on walls and "oh fuzzy bunny i missed my shot and wont detonate it in the hopes that my enemy will walk into it."

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Oh don't always listen to h0B0. Lol.


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Posted February 19 2013 - 05:14 PM

*Proud HE charge user*
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#5 Conquistador

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Posted February 19 2013 - 05:25 PM

I will still grit my teeth and use HE charge on the infiltrator. Come hell or high water. But I'm not going to enjoy it very much.

The fact detonator does exactly the same damage as he charge and is easier to use merely adds insult to my injury.

Edited by Conquistador, February 19 2013 - 05:27 PM.

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Posted February 19 2013 - 05:37 PM

Honestly, if the cooldown differences between each item were more drastic, every item would be useful. I'd reckon a LOT of people would use HE Charge over Deto,  EMP and MG Turret if the cooldowns for each item were 20 seconds, 50 seconds, 70 seconds and 120 seconds (respectively).

The same could apply to the Seeker* Turret or even Hologram if needed...

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Posted February 19 2013 - 05:42 PM

Fortunately, there is a simple solution to making the HE Charge useful in its own way. Make the HE Charge preferable against groups, and the Detonator preferable against single targets.

Edited by HugeGuts, February 19 2013 - 06:50 PM.


#8 Foggy

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Posted February 19 2013 - 05:50 PM

I prefer the HE, actually.  It's fantastic when sneaking up on someone (and launching a Tow right before the HE hits), and great if used properly in CQC.  It's also fun to watch an enemy mech on radar coming around a corner and lobbing the HE so it meets and greets him.

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Posted February 19 2013 - 05:58 PM

The 45 second recharge time makes me love the H.E more.

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Posted February 19 2013 - 06:00 PM

But the drastic reduction in its price compared to the detonator makes it balanced, right? lol

#11 SilentJacket

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Posted February 19 2013 - 06:08 PM

not if you bought it at full price

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Posted February 19 2013 - 07:25 PM

View Posth0B0, on February 19 2013 - 05:13 PM, said:

View Postmarshalade, on February 19 2013 - 05:09 PM, said:

I have a sad. HE needs detonation function.
Even with such a function it still is less viable than the Detonator.

Detonator has more range, more clutch potential and possibly more AOE.
HE has unreliable bouncing on walls and "oh fuzzy bunny i missed my shot and wont detonate it in the hopes that my enemy will walk into it."

To tell you the truth I would still prefer the HE Charge. I find that when I throw a HE Charge especially in Uptown or Origins where it's dark the HE Charge rolls on the ground and isn't sometimes noticable until it hits the opponent where's it sometimes too late. But the detonator .... I mean you can see that coming from far away. It's really noticable and doesn't mmmmmmmmmm lets call it "sneak" it's way to you on the ground but comes at you right in the middle of your screen where you can simply dodge it because of how noticable it is. But that's just me.

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Edited by Galvanar, February 19 2013 - 07:25 PM.


#13 machmanx

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Posted February 19 2013 - 07:27 PM

A 15-20 second recharge time would make me wanna equip it again.

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Posted February 19 2013 - 07:30 PM

View Postmarshalade, on February 19 2013 - 05:09 PM, said:

I have a sad. HE needs detonation function.

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Posted February 19 2013 - 08:01 PM

With detonator I did a double kill with scout, did massive sneak damage with slug reaper(almost one hit for class A). Hug-detonate-kill with SS. yeah its a devil.
public enum MECHS {
SHARPSHOOTER_LV25, REAPER_LV25, SCOUT_LV25, BRUISER_LV25, BRUISER_LV25, ROCKETEER_LV25, CRT_RECRUIT_LV20,
BRAWLER_LV1, GRENADIER_LV11
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#16 Interrobang

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Posted February 19 2013 - 08:31 PM

View PostGN010, on February 19 2013 - 08:01 PM, said:

With detonator I did a double kill with scout, did massive sneak damage with slug reaper(almost one hit for class A). Hug-detonate-kill with SS. yeah its a devil.

Sharpshooter ability + Slug/Sabot burst + detonator will easily destroy an A-class in a split second.

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Posted February 19 2013 - 09:36 PM

Basically, game needs to be easy enough for the LoLtards. Mi'rite?

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Posted February 19 2013 - 09:41 PM

View PostReachH, on February 19 2013 - 09:36 PM, said:

Basically, game needs to be easy enough for the LoLtards. Mi'rite?

no.

E: to contribute, carrying two again would be pretty rad just have them charge up and fill in, so instead of x (infinity) for it, you'd have x1 or x2

Edited by PlagueDoctor, February 19 2013 - 09:42 PM.


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Posted February 19 2013 - 09:57 PM

I have both, but I use HE Charge on my favorite mech because of the short cooldown and the "Arc."

Throwing it over low walls like the ones in Bazaar has always been pretty useful, and I do like how it bounces off surfaces.

Let's not forget that it detonates instantly if it hits an enemy, as well.

Edited by Adler, February 19 2013 - 09:59 PM.

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Posted February 19 2013 - 10:01 PM

View PostRekkr, on February 19 2013 - 07:30 PM, said:

View Postmarshalade, on February 19 2013 - 05:09 PM, said:

I have a sad. HE needs detonation function.

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