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#1 TemperWolf

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Posted October 28 2012 - 10:00 PM

Really, the topic says it all. I can't test this game, I only have enough points to pretty much buy three different setups, when there is probably about 100 setups to test. Why are we limited in Meteor Points? This doesn't make any sense to me. I see no way to gain more either, which feels like a huge waste of my time.

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Posted October 28 2012 - 10:13 PM

You're not being asked to exhaustively test every combination. If you were, all of the items would be 0 points or unlocked from the start.

Meteor points are the cash-for-points currency. We're given 4800MP in order to buy some upgrades as a head-start. The real game will likely start everyone at 0 points and they'll have to earn (or buy) their way out of the TV mech and assault class.

This early progression is possibly even more important than testing every single permutation of mech/loadout/skill tree configuration. Look at the feedback threads complaining that Hawken point rewards are far, far too small and people don't like how slow this makes upgrading. This is going to be what day 1 of Open Beta is like, and if everyone hates how slow progression is and feels like you have to buy Meteor Points, the game will fail. That is much more important to test, and requires a lot of players to experience and give their feedback, than the individual mech combinations. Especially because we're using closed beta mechs and the number of options is very small on the basis of beta content. You can expect much more once the game's live.
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Posted October 28 2012 - 11:26 PM

Ah well, I was looking forward to this game. Not anymore. Just going to write this off like the new MEchwarrior Online. I guess I have to face it, there will never be a good online mech game ever again.

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Posted October 28 2012 - 11:27 PM

View PostTemperWolf, on October 28 2012 - 11:26 PM, said:

Ah well, I was looking forward to this game. Not anymore. Just going to write this off like the new MEchwarrior Online. I guess I have to face it, there will never be a good online mech game ever again.
If that's how you're going to handle being asked to test the game as opposed to early-access VIP play, get out. You have no idea what it means to be a beta tester.

Edit: I probably shouldn't be such a mean bunny. However, TemperWolf does not have a beta tester's attitude.

Edited by Elix, October 29 2012 - 12:32 AM.

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Posted October 29 2012 - 12:32 AM

Oh I'd love to TEST this game, but this is no test my friend. You GET OUT.

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Posted October 29 2012 - 12:33 AM

Unfortunately, you get to test what the devs want you to test, not what you want to test.
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Posted October 29 2012 - 12:39 AM

Please keep comments inviting, constructive and positive.

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Posted October 29 2012 - 12:46 AM

Some games I get experience for my mech, some games I don't. My skill tree resets every game after playing yesterday.

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Posted October 29 2012 - 12:58 AM

Its a beta, Ofc its got damn bugs..... Beta != Demo
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Posted October 29 2012 - 01:01 AM

View PostElix, on October 29 2012 - 12:33 AM, said:

Unfortunately, you get to test what the devs want you to test, not what you want to test.

you're so angry everywhere i look Elix, you need to relax bro
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Posted October 29 2012 - 01:06 AM

View PostModerator03, on October 29 2012 - 12:39 AM, said:

Please keep comments inviting, constructive and positive.
Constructive I can do.
But I've got JOYKILLER in my name, so no can do on the other two.

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Posted October 29 2012 - 01:06 AM

That sounded angry, that one? Really? I more meant it as acknowledging reality.

There's plenty that I'd like to test that isn't in the game. Stuff that didn't follow over from Alpha that I won't talk about, for example. But I don't stomp and pout when I can't.
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Posted October 29 2012 - 01:10 AM

View PostElix, on October 29 2012 - 01:06 AM, said:

That sounded angry, that one? Really? I more meant it as acknowledging reality.

There's plenty that I'd like to test that isn't in the game. Stuff that didn't follow over from Alpha that I won't talk about, for example. But I don't stomp and pout when I can't.
Yeah, I don't really get the guy's attitude.
He can't test everything, so he tests nothing and throws a fit?

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AJK is right

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Posted October 29 2012 - 02:46 AM

If the guy is going take that stance on the situation then I don't see an issue. At the end of the day the dev's need feedback on certain aspects at each stage of the development and if this person chooses that isn't how he wants to test this game and leaves that is his choice. An odd one admittedly but I doubt he would have given good feedback given his approach.

I also don't think you can test every iteration of all the mechs in one weekend even if we were given access to them all. Collectively, yes. Solo, no. Would make for some brief games. Maybe a 3 minute rotation between mechs throughout each game. Sorry, I'm rambling now, the thought of trying to do it just amuses me.

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Posted October 29 2012 - 02:49 AM

I'm not sure exactly where it was, but I saw, less than an hour ago, a post by someone from Adhesive or Meteor about the current beta test -- it's primarily a shakedown of the changes since Alpha and to stress-test the servers.

Depending on how you look at it, we stress-tested the FUZZY BUNNIES out of it... or, thanks to the "unable to join server" problems that plagued the test all weekend, we didn't. But we've definitely unearthed several major problems that needed to be found before open beta, so go us (and go Adhesive/Meteor!). :D
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Posted October 29 2012 - 02:58 AM

Today, I learned that testing the rate of progression outside of MC isn't testing at all.

Testing a game means much more than testing the gameplay.
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Posted October 29 2012 - 04:59 AM

View PostTemperWolf, on October 28 2012 - 11:26 PM, said:

Ah well, I was looking forward to this game. Not anymore. Just going to write this off like the new MEchwarrior Online. I guess I have to face it, there will never be a good online mech game ever again.

Lol really? This game is amazing. Points and stats will get reset once the next "major" patch or OBE takes place. Chill out. Why don't you go try to find some bugs or something.

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Posted October 30 2012 - 11:02 AM

There's really not much to test when the progress and hp income is very slow.

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Posted October 30 2012 - 12:17 PM

OH LOOK!

See that right there?

That's some feedback about the progression rate.

Nice work there. Go test more.
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Posted October 30 2012 - 02:01 PM

View PostCakeBandit, on October 30 2012 - 12:17 PM, said:

OH LOOK!

See that right there?

That's some feedback about the progression rate.

Nice work there. Go test more.

You. You there. Exactly.

I don't understand why people do not understand the basics of testing something, be it a game, or a laundry machine.

Ok so, you put laundry in it, and it comes out clean. That's good.
But what if I press the buttons on the face really really hard. Will they break? Maybe I think that there is not enough buttons, or perhaps to many.

What I am not going to complain about, is the fact that this laundry machine has no case on it. That's not a very important feature of this laundry machine. What is important, is

1. Does it wash laundry well
2. When I push the buttons do the click in with a satisfying click
3. Do I want to keep coming back and doing more laundry because it's easy
Etc.

You cannot be the judge of the machines final appearance, or how many tangs the inside drum will have, because those are not the key elements which make a good laundry machine. What makes a good laundry machine is a good user experience, quality of the wash, and if the user comes back to wash their laundry again.
That way they won't go and buy a different laundry machine, or even worse, walk around wearing unwashed clothes.

Guys... Guys I really have to do my laundry.

This is a really silly analogy.

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