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#1 Luaq

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Posted December 08 2013 - 08:26 PM

With the hope that the clan match arrives sometime early 2014, I see some mode missing in the current variety of choices.

In ANY FPS shooter game good enough that made me want to  scrim had  somekind of "extreme"/ "Hard" or "Elite mode.

Modes where when you lost a teamate, you lost him for good until the restart of a new round.
Modes when the start of a new round was the start of a readaptation of the previous strategy, or a complete change and test out where this one goes. You can manage because it's a 3 of 5.
Modes where there is ONLY ONE spawn made it so that when you cleared an area, you knew you cleared it for good, because no one could spawn in your back out of the fawcking blue.
Modes where the game really made you feel fragile/vulnerable
Modes without a healt/ammo indicator or no HUD where you knew from sound or movement that you are damaged/missing ammo and so on...

Edit: Like when you use an item the panel lowers itself until it is available again. Health would be indicated by a little light on the dashboard when hit but over 75%, sound and light when above 50%, red interior cockpit light when 25% higher and under that steam n shiet coming out of my cockpit interior, dashboard smoke n Shiet :D with a fawking stressfulk alarm :D something to get me crazy you know :D and and virutal view of what's in front of me, outside my mech would stobe some time and black out and hear my pilot breath hard in panick...

You know what I mean.
I've done a thread like this in the past, but it's far in the depts of the alpha and beta forums so...




Does hawken need that for it's Elite and competitive players?

Edited by Luaq, December 08 2013 - 09:04 PM.

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#2 lazy_kittens

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Posted December 08 2013 - 08:40 PM

Well I guess the sissy form of your suggestion would be found in Co-Op Bot Destruction. I can see where you're going with this but wouldn't it just be an endless cycle of one person obviously dominating the rest? Or something along those lines? I think it'd get boring but I dunno man. That's just me.
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Posted December 08 2013 - 08:57 PM

Hmm well it would be a round base match. So in the event that a team has under estimated one fighter of the opposing team and that they realise that, they should be able to come up with a plan.

Not sure about your reference to the co-op mode since it would be team vs team in TE (Team elimination) and just another kind of deathmatch for the Elimination mode, where people might team up for a period lol or just go plain solo and survive this fuzzy bunny hole. :D

But yeah "Elite" mode could also be added to the co-op mode.

Though the essence in all of this is my lack of immersion in the game, I dont know why but I felt the game differently in alpha and closed beta. Not sure why...maybe because I know some people use mods that can let them see WAY MORE when repairing but repairing should be a risk, so why let this "rule" go for the ones who can "edit" the game. I mean first it's not fair, and second it'S making it easier and lastly just takes out the whole point of feeling clotrophobic, which is what makes the game feel dangerous and intense. The Field of view should be fixed. I mean every human has the same field of view, same with the camera shake level, the mouse sensitivity ( that affects greatly your aim).

I think I'm just intentionnaly make it harder for me, at my own disadvantage but will acutally make me feel in a heavy machinery. I say this because I've tested the maximum mouse sensitivity and least camera shake level and it didn't feel the same at all. It was easier/less strugle but whats the point? Where the fun? Heh that's just me though...

Edit: Also dominating or being dominated is part of what competition is...it's not boring, because the challenge is to surpass the fact of beeing dominated, that's when you have the adrenaline rush that makes you want to do anything you can do to change the tides of battle and also the 3 out of 5 round thing is a short period of time for suffering if you really get dominated, so you get more chances to dominated also, unless you and you guys really need to work something out because you get dominated every single time. The mode could also have a 2 out of 3 variation or even 4 out of 6.

Edited by Luaq, December 08 2013 - 09:19 PM.

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Posted December 08 2013 - 10:03 PM

Yes but in reality, having to think on the spot of your next move may interfere with your teams "plan". You need to, as they say, expect the unexpected. Don't have a script ready, be the on-the-spot comedian!

If you mean for your "elite" vision to differ a lot from co-op, then wouldn't it be team deathmatch with level 50 (idk) pilots? Lol I think that's all you really want, a high pilot level team deathmatch on steroids! Co-op is a test of your survival skills against lesser minded bots. Since you're making it against real pilots, then it would simply be team deathmatch, with one difference. (Did I even make sense lol)

Again, co-op is a sissy form of your idea but if they were to do this elite mode, then there would be less pilots playing this mode because as soon as one dies, the tower is struck and it begins to crumble. Everyone else begins to be pushed on by all these bots and soon they're alone and dead. Basically the only way to survive that would be to have been born Jesus lol (and still you would be killed by crucification or something like that so would it be imposibruh? Guess that wasn't a good reference...)

Sadly I didn't play alpha and the start of open beta so I didn't have a chance to watch and feel Hawken evolve from the beginning. From what you have said, I assume that you have problems with equality in the mechanics of gameplay (does that even make sense?). This of course can be modified to fit your need and let you experiment with what you work with best. I think you shouldn't really worry about what others play with and more with what you're dealing with. Find the best setting for yourself and make it work. This is the first time I hear about the view modding so... But does it really matter anyway? Is it such a bother to you?

The fun is in the challenge and by that I mean the struggle to stay alive and kill. If a player is totally dominating you, you'll eventually get bored won't you?  Face it, you'll start to get bitter inside and you won't want to play. Don't be a sore loser, let yourself explore your own talent. Of course some players are naturally better than others so there's also that.

I'm a little confused on all your numbers and whatnot but I bet you're more confused with my mad writing lol. Sorry I feel like I made no sense. Oh well I hope you guys understand...
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Posted December 08 2013 - 10:33 PM

View Postlazy_kittens, on December 08 2013 - 10:03 PM, said:


This is the first time I hear about the view modding so... But does it really matter anyway? Is it such a bother to you?

The fun is in the challenge and by that I mean the struggle to stay alive and kill. If a player is totally dominating you, you'll eventually get bored won't you?  Face it, you'll start to get bitter inside and you won't want to play. Don't be a sore loser, let yourself explore your own talent. Of course some players are naturally better than others so there's also that.

The fun is in the challenge, yes, that's what I've been saying in the OP :)
We both agree on that

About the repair view modding, yes It REALLY bother's me. It's as if there was a rule that was actually optionnal but it was not written so. So only some know of it, giving them a huge advantage to see opponents coming form a far and on the sides way better. And on that subject, I would also propose to keep the camera in the mech and see the system go on sleep while repairing and when you're finished yo go back "online", much like when you start a game, everything visual in the cockpit loads back.

The only part that ressembles the co-op mode is that your teammates die but you can still revive them, and I wouldn't allow that in the elite mode, he's dead, well fuzzy bunny for this round it's 5v6...deal with it.
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Posted December 08 2013 - 10:46 PM

I don't know what to say about the repairing thing. Maybe ask for it to be taken away I dunno *derp face*

I think your idea for the "going back online" is fab though. But think about it, wouldn't that be wayyyyyyyyyy unfair? To not be able to see A THING when repairing. Since you HAVE to repair during a lot of the match, it would leave a lot of space for unnecessary deaths that could be avoided and it would get annoying so what's the point to that.

One number is like nothing right? WRONG! One pilot can make the difference between win and loss, life and death, YOUR OWN LIFE!! Plus I don't think it would be one man down per match or something, it would easily go downhill as I said before. As soon as that fragile little tower is struck, it begins to crumble down, and rapidly at that. No offense meant at all, but if your idea was made into a reality, it wouldn't be successful :( sorry that may just be me though. There's hope :D
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Posted December 09 2013 - 08:40 AM

Nothing's unfair if it's the same for every one? Plain logic.

Also, believe me, competitive players will play this mode, I don't know on what facts you judge that the mode wouldn't be successful because like I mentionned before, the most played fps games have these modes and they are the one used in clan matchs
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Posted December 09 2013 - 08:53 AM

What I mean by unfair was that you can't really see your surroundings giving you a blindside that someone could easily take advantage of. If you were in a mech irl, I think you would be able to see at least some things don't you think?

I'm talking about the overall community. I don't think most players will like this mode because as soon as you die, it's over. I dunno there may be a couple of "competitive" players who do play this but not enough to keep it alive. Just look at missile assault, it's dying off because players lack interest, is it not? (From my understanding, it is, but I could always be wrong)

Edited by lazy_kittens, December 09 2013 - 08:54 AM.

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Posted December 11 2013 - 05:47 PM

Again nothing is unfair in this unless you want to also admit that "Repairing" is also unfair in the sens that you actually took damage and you can get away with it by hiding and repairing in couple of seconds to full health.

Also all your posts were all about "I don't think people would like this mode" "IDK Idk, maybe it's just me, IDK..." and pretend "It wouldn't be successful sorry" "Maybe I Dunno" "IDK" It's annoying...can you actually come up with ideas instead of saying that "you don't know"?

About missile assault mode, It's all because of the fact that we cannot group up in full teams anymore, because it was actually the competitive players that played that mode!

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Posted December 11 2013 - 08:08 PM

Yeah repairing is unfair because unless we lived in a new magical land that has flying mechs, eu everywhere, random trees, a yeti named Marvin--- wait... Lol it's a game okay! If there was no repairing, my k/d would be in the negatives by now! Repairing keeps you alive, and gives you a rush that pleads for excitement! It's logical that there would be repairing. Do you think there would be a soldier that could survive 100 shots to the face and still be a bad donkey like in any shooting game? Of course not but in Hawken it makes sense that there would be little tiny drones to repair your mechs wounds because 1. It's based on huge mechs so of course there will be better technology 2. This is a game so of course logically 3. Better technology 4. Better technology 5. Oh and did I meant ion better technology?!

I say "I dunno" because... *drumroll* I DON'T KNOW!! I'm not sure of the possibilities that players would have of playing your suggestion! I cannot read minds as far as I recall. I'm sorry I annoy you when I say that but hey if we're playing that game, you're grammar isn't too great and grammar is like jessus to me.

Also I don't even know (there I go again) what to tell you about missile assault. A shame it's dying.

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Posted December 12 2013 - 09:24 AM

View Postlazy_kittens, on December 11 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

Do you think there would be a soldier that could survive 100 shots to the face and still be a bad donkey like in any shooting game? Of course not but in Hawken it makes sense that there would be little tiny drones to repair your mechs wounds because 1. It's based on huge mechs so of course there will be better technology 2. This is a game so of course logically 3. Better technology 4. Better technology 5. Oh and did I meant ion better technology?!

I say "I dunno" because... *drumroll* I DON'T KNOW!! I'm not sure of the possibilities that players would have of playing your suggestion! I cannot read minds as far as I recall. I'm sorry I annoy you when I say that but hey if we're playing that game, you're grammar isn't too great and grammar is like jessus to me.

Also I don't even know (there I go again) what to tell you about missile assault. A shame it's dying.

Je parle fraçais, aussie.

-Yeah well for the grammar my first language is french and I can see my english grammar prowess resembles your french but hey cool you speak french.

-About missile assault will be back up once we can form bigger groups as we could in the past.

-Of course, no soldier could survive 100 shots to the face and still be a bad donkey like in any shooting game, and that's just what repairing does. I understand the fact that you like to heal to get a chance at surviving longer, and yes I like it too but I would definitely like a mode that makes you pay even more for taking that advantage of healing and turn it into an even bigger risk as is it would take longer, repair only at 3/4 health and other limitations like this...

Though I'm open to suggestions as in "more armor" or any other logical thing someone could think of for balancing the playability of the game mode.

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Posted December 12 2013 - 04:04 PM

Oh haha I spelled "French" wrong XD

Sometimes I'll go off without repairing for a long time just for fun lol it's so risky.
Yeah I guess you're right, nice debate (not really) thing we had :)
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#13 Luaq

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Posted December 12 2013 - 06:30 PM

aussie => aussi
Fraçais was just a typo.

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