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#1 Karboxyd

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Posted November 21 2012 - 10:21 AM

For those not in the known (I'd guess at least the US), there's a tax when buying a package.
As far as I can tell, and depending on countries, it's around 11€.
Because, you know, the injury (the infamous $1 = 1€ "rate") was missing its proverbial insult...

To sum it up, for a Commander package, you thus pay about 71€.
As of right now, it's equivalent to $91.
For the sake of comparison, a "regular" conversion would place that same package at 46€ (yep, half as much).
It obviously wouldn't have happened, and I'm actually not that much bothered about paying 60€ to support the game.

Still, it feels like I'm (tentatively) being ripped off with that tax, and I'd like to know why.
What is this tax for and from ?

Also, will the boosters and such get the same treatment ?

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Posted November 21 2012 - 12:02 PM

I had to pay € 72 and some change, which equals about $ 92. I agree, it's a bit much, but I decided to just buy it anyway. I guess there's not much you can do about that.
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Posted November 21 2012 - 12:06 PM

View PostKaszaWspraju, on November 19 2012 - 02:35 PM, said:


In practice, you do not know if they are worth your money and how much you paid for individual elements of the package.

You do not know:
  • final prices for boost HAWKEN Credit and XP.
  • rates of conversion dollars, euro (any currency) for MC.
  • final prices for mech and items.
  • final prices for skins, cosmetic staff.
You do not know, how boost work (so far give 50% boost).

More than, you do not know how will look cosmetic staff form package.

You do not know when they add other ways to buy staff, if will manage before the end Vanguard Initiative.

I do not know when the offer ends.

With all due respect for your developers and their work and good intentions, but a lot of misunderstandings when money are involved.

Launching shopping options without price list it seems to me a strange idea.


One of the things they did good for the users is this: * The amount of Meteor Credits you receive will be proportionate to the currency you use to purchase the bundle.

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Posted November 21 2012 - 12:13 PM

So, it's true. Bye bye commander pack T.T

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Posted November 21 2012 - 12:55 PM

planned on buying something aswell, but this prices in euros are a no-go
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Posted November 21 2012 - 02:23 PM

Ok, taxes with the vanguard initiatve, but there will be taxes in the future for normal Meteor Credits transactions???

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Posted November 21 2012 - 02:54 PM

I was not aware europe was exempt of taxes?
as for the high cost

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* The amount of Meteor Credits you receive will be proportionate to the currency you use to purchase the bundle.

I paid 8.5 canadian dollars of taxes which is about half the taxe rate of my country+province.

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Posted November 21 2012 - 03:00 PM

There shouldn't be any taxes on the AUD purchase either, since Meteor is an American company, and the GST doesn't apply to purchases made overseas online costing less than AU$1000.

Edited by SirCannonFodder, November 21 2012 - 03:14 PM.

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#9 Karboxyd

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Posted November 21 2012 - 04:33 PM

I don't know about the American countries, but as far as I know there is no global European tax for buying in the US.
OK, there's customs now and then, but that shouldn't apply to VIRTUAL goods.
So in that regard, there shouldn't be any tax for buying from the US.
But yet again: no communication from Meteor or Adhesive.

View PostVoidQuake, on November 21 2012 - 12:02 PM, said:

I had to pay € 72 and some change, which equals about $ 92. I agree, it's a bit much, but I decided to just buy it anyway. I guess there's not much you can do about that.
Of course there's something to be done about it: keep the hard-earned cash in the pocket.

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The amount of Meteor Credits you receive will be proportionate to the currency you use to purchase the bundle
In the end we still have to pay more, and we still don't know why.
That's the political way of putting it: "You pay more real money, but you get more virtual 'money', please sign here and move along."

Edited by Karboxyd, November 21 2012 - 04:39 PM.


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Posted November 21 2012 - 04:57 PM

View PostKarboxyd, on November 21 2012 - 04:33 PM, said:

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The amount of Meteor Credits you receive will be proportionate to the currency you use to purchase the bundle
In the end we still have to pay more, and we still don't know why.
That's the political way of putting it: "You pay more real money, but you get more virtual 'money', please sign here and move along."

Are you really paying more?
proportionately speaking you are paying the same. I would even have to say you might actually be paying less.
In order to pay more or less you would have to take into consideration the cost of life in your geopolitical area.
If i sell a car with a full tank of gas in montreal the same price i sell a car with a full tank of gas in noname town i paid more for the car and tank of gas in nonametown since the prices of gas is lower outside the metropol.

Now if you want to continue this argument i would suggest you look up the cost of living and compare those and then compare the difference in the cost of life vs the difference in currency.

I look forward to your reply.

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#11 KaszaWspraju

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Posted November 21 2012 - 05:05 PM

Is why banks have come up with the exchange rate.

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Posted November 22 2012 - 08:53 AM

View Posth0B0, on November 21 2012 - 04:57 PM, said:

Now if you want to continue this argument i would suggest you look up the cost of living and compare those and then compare the difference in the cost of life vs the difference in currency.
To what end ?
I have a 20 years experience of buying things (virtual and physical) over the internet from a number of countries, and that's the first time I see such a "tax".

Your geopolitical shenanigans don't hold any water either: if a tax was applied by a specific country, guess what... it would be applied by that specific country, and definitely not by the company selling the product.
That's why we have VAT, for instance.

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Posted November 22 2012 - 12:39 PM

View Posth0B0, on November 21 2012 - 04:57 PM, said:

View PostKarboxyd, on November 21 2012 - 04:33 PM, said:

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The amount of Meteor Credits you receive will be proportionate to the currency you use to purchase the bundle
In the end we still have to pay more, and we still don't know why.
That's the political way of putting it: "You pay more real money, but you get more virtual 'money', please sign here and move along."

Are you really paying more?
proportionately speaking you are paying the same. I would even have to say you might actually be paying less.
In order to pay more or less you would have to take into consideration the cost of life in your geopolitical area.
If i sell a car with a full tank of gas in montreal the same price i sell a car with a full tank of gas in noname town i paid more for the car and tank of gas in nonametown since the prices of gas is lower outside the metropol.

Now if you want to continue this argument i would suggest you look up the cost of living and compare those and then compare the difference in the cost of life vs the difference in currency.

I look forward to your reply.
Ok, europe has stronger money than US, but Spain is not the same as Alemany, as example. Compare what? 60€ for me are more than a german guy. But this is not the case in real, because 60€ = 60$, and it doesnt matter where you live.

As Karboxyd said, never seen taxes over virtual purchases, and we want an explanation.

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Posted November 22 2012 - 12:49 PM

I still don't see what everyone is complaining about. It's no one's fault Spain's unemployment is up to 25%. If people really start getting catering from the devs that would be the end of Hawken.

Edited by Deu, November 22 2012 - 12:52 PM.

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Posted November 22 2012 - 12:51 PM

View PostDeu, on November 22 2012 - 12:49 PM, said:

I still don't see what everyone is complaining about. Everyone is paying the same. It's no one's fault Spain's unemployment is up to 25%. If people really start getting catering from the devs that would be the end of Hawken.
It was an example about the "cost in my geopolitical area". You pay 60€, get 75$, and then you pay 11€ more in taxes. We want to know why those taxes.

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Posted November 22 2012 - 01:01 PM

Yep, we're definitely getting ripped off paying 50% more for the same services.

This is why I usually use proxies or friends to buy stuff using US currency (e.g. Steam also likes ripping off Europeans)

I should not have to pay more for the same service/goods just because I live on another part of this big sphere we all live on.

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Posted November 22 2012 - 01:26 PM

you're getting twice as much meteor points>.>........

Edited by Nightan, November 22 2012 - 01:26 PM.


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Posted November 22 2012 - 01:32 PM

Just why am I forced to buy more for more?

We do not know the exchange rate.

You may find that there is nothing to pay extra.
You may find it worthwhile to pay extra.
But we have no price list, no information about the final prices of everything.


I'm sorry but it does not work in the real world when it comes to money.

Edited by KaszaWspraju, November 22 2012 - 01:36 PM.

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Posted November 22 2012 - 02:39 PM

View PostNightan, on November 22 2012 - 01:26 PM, said:

you're getting twice as much meteor points>.>........
Read the OP.

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Posted November 22 2012 - 07:37 PM

View PostKarboxyd, on November 22 2012 - 08:53 AM, said:

View Posth0B0, on November 21 2012 - 04:57 PM, said:

Now if you want to continue this argument i would suggest you look up the cost of living and compare those and then compare the difference in the cost of life vs the difference in currency.
To what end ?
I have a 20 years experience of buying things (virtual and physical) over the internet from a number of countries, and that's the first time I see such a "tax".

Your geopolitical shenanigans don't hold any water either: if a tax was applied by a specific country, guess what... it would be applied by that specific country, and definitely not by the company selling the product.
That's why we have VAT, for instance.
I did not mention taxes in the reply you are quoting.

You are paying more because you are getting more.

And as i stated i do not wish to do the research in order to find out if you actually need to work harder or not to earn the same amount of money but i suspect you do not.

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Oh don't always listen to h0B0. Lol.





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