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#1
Posted September 21 2014 - 09:25 PM
Not only was I playing against players with hundreds of hours into the game, but the old team "balancer" was consistently stacking the level 30s against the <5 hours players. The victors were often times not good sports but talked trash and took glee in camping the base and laying waste to hapless players. Thus far I haven't experienced any of the sportsmanship I would like to think the vets would show, the same care-and-feeding some of you are claiming in these very forums. There were some VERY familiar names in that list.
Some of you vets say that you are trying to "help" players learn Hawken but from what I have seen from a familiar lot of you is quite the opposite. You are encouraging new players to logoff and not look back. Congratulations, I hope your microphallic condition can be treated with over the counter cremes.
Nine games in and I have to say if this is the experience new players who saw this neat mech shooter on Steam are getting, then Hawken has a grim future.

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#2
Posted September 21 2014 - 09:28 PM
Except when they accuse me of hacking, that's when I start putting limitations on myself (like TOW only, no flying, only AR, no dodging, etc.) and asking them to record me. If hackusations persist, and then I start doing...other things.
Edited by Silverfire, September 21 2014 - 09:30 PM.

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#4
Posted September 21 2014 - 10:18 PM
[HWK]HUGHES, on July 03 2013 - 11:07 PM, said:
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#5
Posted September 21 2014 - 10:49 PM
I'm curious to know who these bashers are that are spoon feeding the new players on the forums and then smashing them in the game, sounds pretty hypocritical if you ask me.
I bet you might of run into me, but I'm not spoon feeding anyone on the forums, I'm using a slingshot around here for christs sake. I blame my MMR, I'm not good enough to get into the elitist lobbies (or there aren't any and if I do, I get slaughtered in the same manner you mentioned by players with 500 more MMR than me) and the only thing available are matches with players slightly below my MMR. So its a matter of poor population in my case.
Many times when I notice a team is a man down, I sit out until another player joins, or ask a player on the opposite team to sit out if they are overmanned. Some of the high ranking players apparently can't read english cause when I asked one of them them last night to sit out, they didn't even respond, just kept on smashing the team with 6 people on the AA. Its even on archive on twitch, if you all want the link, and yeah they are one of the top 10 players of the game and had a man advantage almost the entire round, and just plain out refused to sit out. The next match they did the same thing 3 vs 2, but that ones not on video cause the person streaming had left.
Camping the base is one of the fundamental flaws of siege mode and missile assault, its kind of hard to blame the players for doing it.
Any idea if these players that were always on the same team, in a party? Cause that'd be a huge difference in the situation. Were they also on VOIP and using it to communicate their tactics?
The balancer should put the highest and lowest MMR player on the same team, if only someone knew how the balancer actually calculates things, or we could see the MMR of each team separately.
I do have a theory though, that the player that MVP's the round is 95% of the time the best player in the room and the one with the highest MMR. I'd like to actually see the data per round and see how many times that happens. I'd bet a Double Double (animal style, no grilled onions) that my estimation is pretty darn close.
#6
Posted September 21 2014 - 10:56 PM
 EliteShooter, on September 21 2014 - 10:11 PM, said:
EliteShooter, on September 21 2014 - 10:11 PM, said:

"...Then I presume the complex murder algorithm that masquerades as his cerebral cortex was done analyzing my panicked stumbling and he flattened me." -Amidatelion on Xacius.
#7
Posted September 21 2014 - 10:59 PM
 SS396, on September 21 2014 - 10:49 PM, said:
SS396, on September 21 2014 - 10:49 PM, said:
I'm curious to know who these bashers are that are spoon feeding the new players on the forums and then smashing them in the game, sounds pretty hypocritical if you ask me.
I bet you might of run into me, but I'm not spoon feeding anyone on the forums, I'm using a slingshot around here for christs sake. I blame my MMR, I'm not good enough to get into the elitist lobbies (or there aren't any and if I do, I get slaughtered in the same manner you mentioned by players with 500 more MMR than me) and the only thing available are matches with players slightly below my MMR. So its a matter of poor population in my case.
Many times when I notice a team is a man down, I sit out until another player joins, or ask a player on the opposite team to sit out if they are overmanned. Some of the high ranking players apparently can't read english cause when I asked one of them them last night to sit out, they didn't even respond, just kept on smashing the team with 6 people on the AA. Its even on archive on twitch, if you all want the link, and yeah they are one of the top 10 players of the game and had a man advantage almost the entire round, and just plain out refused to sit out. The next match they did the same thing 3 vs 2, but that ones not on video cause the person streaming had left.
Camping the base is one of the fundamental flaws of siege mode and missile assault, its kind of hard to blame the players for doing it.
Any idea if these players that were always on the same team, in a party? Cause that'd be a huge difference in the situation. Were they also on VOIP and using it to communicate their tactics?
The balancer should put the highest and lowest MMR player on the same team, if only someone knew how the balancer actually calculates things, or we could see the MMR of each team separately.
I do have a theory though, that the player that MVP's the round is 95% of the time the best player in the room and the one with the highest MMR. I'd like to actually see the data per round and see how many times that happens. I'd bet a Double Double (animal style, no grilled onions) that my estimation is pretty darn close.
Yeah, I think I was at 1700 mmr by that time but my teammates didn't seem to be. I would never accuse you of being nice but you wouldn't have said some of those things. They weren't critical, critical even if delivered harshly has a point. I have seen you cuss out your teammates but it had a point.
BTW, I have seen you sit off to side and I have taken a page from that book. If my team is up and somebody quits the other side, I almost always type in the command line, "say sitting off to side until things balance out"

"...Then I presume the complex murder algorithm that masquerades as his cerebral cortex was done analyzing my panicked stumbling and he flattened me." -Amidatelion on Xacius.
#8
Posted September 22 2014 - 12:01 AM
http://www.steamcharts.com/app/271290
It is the most accurate tracking information we have to go on.
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#9
Posted September 22 2014 - 12:04 AM
Not tooting my horn here, just an example, i float around 22-300mmr and i regularly get placed in 1800 lobbies during non peak hours. However, i also play with mechs I'm not good with like pred and reaper when this occurs. But to each their own.
BUT x2, if I'm just trying to get some dailies in quick i don't sit out etc. because I'm trying to win dammit!
/end 2 cents
Edited by Interrobang87, September 22 2014 - 12:07 AM.
#10
Posted September 22 2014 - 12:05 AM
That squeezes all the players to same server no matter of the MMR range player are from.
First free spot and bam. Balance is gone - if the player joining happens to be significant enough. If that someone wants to farm his MMR... then sitting out during the game is out of question. Simple as that.
As I a was getting sometimes MVPs... I admit... that thought came into my mind too... these beginners on the server which barely had 30 points in total... they are probably gone forever.
#11
Posted September 22 2014 - 12:23 AM
#13
Posted September 22 2014 - 01:08 AM
 DerMax, on September 22 2014 - 12:23 AM, said:
DerMax, on September 22 2014 - 12:23 AM, said:
I'll raise my hand, I constantly get into matches where the average is less than my MMR, I would bet that Double Double I bet earlier that I was in one of those lobbies with Jello's smurf yesterday or tonight. His response really confused me. I'm also not exactly running around here claiming I'm the Pope and I'm up for sainthood either.

I played 2 matches tonight, one where I joined in late, and lambasted a reaper player in chat for camping right outside our base and shooting at the AA. I blamed him as the reason our team lost, and said that if he just walked to the AA and stood there he would of gotten more XP. Yeah, I admit I could of been nicer and not use the F-bomb every other word, but oh well I let my anger get to me. Been kinda in a rowdy mood all day and shouldn't of taken it out on that reaper. Do I think that the reaper player is gunna quit because some random person on the internet yelled at them? No, I wouldn't I'd just sluff it off, but perhaps not everyone is able to do that and sometimes I don't consider that. Maybe thats what Jello is talking about. shrug.
Theres a group of players that roll around and they have compassion for the new players, where they will only use a lower build mech with no internals or just fire TOW's or widdle the new players health down to 50 and then stop and run off, I've seen it, we've laughed about it many times. I've seen players that when they have the AA and they have the one man advantage, they just don't push past the AA into the enemies base. That sort of kindness system was created in closed beta by a great group of people that used to play many matches for hours in one lobby and I've still seen it used recently.
I've also seen a pack of high tier players use raiders and chase everyone down and completely obliterate the other team while they were on teamspeak.
So there are both the good and the bad still around unfortunately.
Edited by SS396, September 22 2014 - 01:12 AM.
#14
Posted September 22 2014 - 01:41 AM
As far as sitting out goes, I've attempted to do the same but a old of older players (not naming names) will actually intentionally come looking for me to get easy kills. I've noticed this as a big growing trend with older vet players then with new players.
#15
Posted September 22 2014 - 01:45 AM
Anyway, I didn't mean for this to sound to conspiracy theory ish, but 1600 - 1700 mmr absolutely sucks.
#16
Posted September 22 2014 - 01:48 AM
Edited by crockrocket, September 22 2014 - 02:19 AM.
#17
Posted September 22 2014 - 02:57 AM
 Spliff_Craven, on September 22 2014 - 12:01 AM, said:
Spliff_Craven, on September 22 2014 - 12:01 AM, said:
http://www.steamcharts.com/app/271290
It is the most accurate tracking information we have to go on.
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#18
Posted September 22 2014 - 03:17 AM
 driedjello, on September 21 2014 - 10:56 PM, said:
driedjello, on September 21 2014 - 10:56 PM, said:
I know I talk trash a lot, but I don't say it to newbies. Because I don't set high expectations from them. Also the past week I only played on sat night. Though I suspected that I might be among the people who hurt yo feels
 
					
					#19
Posted September 22 2014 - 03:31 AM
#20
Posted September 22 2014 - 05:30 AM
 Jonnywithanh, on September 22 2014 - 03:31 AM, said:
Jonnywithanh, on September 22 2014 - 03:31 AM, said:
I do agree with you - my home community was also very polite until we all...left. First week when the AU server got shut down, and the weeks leading up to that when the server was dying, I have felt negative language being thrown at me from the US servers, although I think that was because I did not know the people I was playing against. It seemed to happen more often when the game had first came out on Steam...
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