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#1 Axanael

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Posted October 15 2014 - 08:56 PM

Hey guys, returning player here, I sort of stopped playing a while back for a few months and I decided to visit again, but there seems to have been no updates at all since I left.

Can anyone fill me in on what happened? From what I can see the game doesn't seem abandoned, as the servers are still running, and players are present.

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Posted October 15 2014 - 09:02 PM

we need a response from the devs, so i can jumpstart this train again with new life...
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Posted October 15 2014 - 09:09 PM

TL;DR

Devs are dealing with technical debt (fixing lazy coding, ect.), and that's taking a lot of resources to deal with.

We also suspect the devs are under a NDA, because they've said quite a few times that something awesome is coming, but they can't talk about it.

Some members of the team have recently been laid off.

We don't really have a community manager anymore, but sometimes a mysterious user named 'Administrator' pops online to ninja strike troll threads.

There have been a few times where entire server regions went down, we suspect for technical work.

We're still wreaking mechs, and everything isn't nearly as gloomy as you might think from everything else I've said. I encourage you to attend one of the many community-run events!

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Yeah, but dude, we are at 1750. As much as we would like to be Professional Yolodrivers like you [Meraple] and Lightangel112, we're not there yet. It's something to aspire to, sure, but there's a lot of ground to cover.

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#4 Massive_Assailant_Stingray

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Posted October 15 2014 - 09:09 PM

There's probly about a hundred pages worth of thread here explaining and debating this whole ordeal.

But to keep it short and simple Hawken is either, In the process of being bought out/looking for a new pub, dying, setting up to self publish, or nothing at all and just fixing up their poopy back end which was based entirely on something they're not going through with anymore.

Which ever it is, the devs have been explicitly asked not to speak about it, potentially via an NDA.

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Posted October 15 2014 - 10:37 PM

One thing I can add: The number of server has increased from 133 (few weeks ago) to a current 147.

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Posted October 15 2014 - 11:29 PM

View PostTwentyFirstPilot, on October 15 2014 - 09:09 PM, said:

We don't really have a community manager anymore, but sometimes a mysterious user named 'Administrator' pops online to ninja strike troll threads.


The admin hasn' t been online since Aug 20th.  The actions you are noticing are not from official employees.  Also, Defter was known to use that admin account on occasion to fix things like when the forums were all screwed up and things were missing.
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Posted October 15 2014 - 11:29 PM

Oh man... We got the forums back less than a week ago, and we're already starting with this? Could we not? It'd be awesome if we could just, like, not start this again..

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Posted October 16 2014 - 01:47 AM

View PostMassive_Assailant_Stingray, on October 15 2014 - 09:09 PM, said:

There's probly about a hundred pages worth of thread here explaining and debating this whole ordeal.

But to keep it short and simple Hawken is either, In the process of being bought out/looking for a new pub, dying, setting up to self publish, or nothing at all and just fixing up their poopy back end which was based entirely on something they're not going through with anymore.

Which ever it is, the devs have been explicitly asked not to speak about it, potentially via an NDA.
At this point in time even with the 30 million garnered from VC's, they don't have the money to self pub. It's been tried before and failed, being bought out isn't an option either since it's been far to long to do so. ADH is basically going the same way of Vigil Games after THQ went out, Is Hawken a good IP to continue, yes, but the question remains how much man hours would have to be dedicated to get it up to par and running right, and is it worth paying those working on it. With our relatively small community, and higher than normal expectations, most publishers won't consider it. It'll cost to much and the sizable community isn't there, so extra cash would need to be fronted for advertising to get it out there, to get income coming. A lot of us already have the cosmetically unlocked for everything, so a good majority of us aren't gonna be viable sources of income making marketing and advertising all that much more important. A venture a lot of publishers would consider a loss not a gain.
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#9 Spliff_Craven

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Posted October 16 2014 - 11:52 PM

Currently any NDA by the dev's is leading to RIP.

Someone official that can speak up should; if nothing more than to shut down speculation and give us hope.

And any "technical debt" should have been paid in full; 10 times over by now.
The only thing technical now is the NDA's binding us in silence.

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Posted October 17 2014 - 05:16 AM

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Posted October 17 2014 - 12:55 PM

View PostSpliff_Craven, on October 16 2014 - 11:52 PM, said:

Someone official that can speak up should; if nothing more than to shut down speculation and give us hope.

Isn't that what Hughes has been doing in his twitter lately?
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Posted October 17 2014 - 07:49 PM

View PostLiederkranz, on October 17 2014 - 12:55 PM, said:

View PostSpliff_Craven, on October 16 2014 - 11:52 PM, said:

Someone official that can speak up should; if nothing more than to shut down speculation and give us hope.

Isn't that what Hughes has been doing in his twitter lately?

Hughes hasn't made any direct references to Hawken on his Twitter in eons.  He said recently he's been "...asked not to talk about development on Hawken" leading most (including me) to believe there is a business acquisition happening or someone is replacing him.

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Posted October 17 2014 - 11:34 PM

View PostTwentyFirstPilot, on October 15 2014 - 09:09 PM, said:

TL;DR

Devs are dealing with technical debt (fixing lazy coding, ect.), and that's taking a lot of resources to deal with.

You can say that again.  I love Hawken to death but the fact that they messed up the coding so badly that they can't even get the VOIP working with over a year of work when it used to work fine is just plain ridiculous to me.  I'm no coder or anything but that just seems bad to me when I've seen much MUCH smaller games with way smaller teams include such a basic feature.
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Posted October 17 2014 - 11:56 PM

As far as development times for fixing things, it can take a very very long time. Especially if the person working on a system (say voice chat) leaves for whatever reason. It can take a long time to figure out what they were doing and how it integrates into other systems. I do agree that it shouldn't have taken as long as it has been, but I can also understand the delays. Many times things take longer then expected, and there is a LOT of stuff going on in hawken. Networking, data tracking (stats), etc, and they all have to work together, and correctly. And I can say for sure that smooth networking is not an easy thing to pull off, and they've done well in the past to make it as invisible as they have. Yes, there's been stuttering and stuff before, but it's much more common in games like battlefield or call of duty.

As stated though, I do agree it's taking an exceedingly long time. I have a feeling we will be seeing new info soon though.

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Posted October 18 2014 - 10:30 AM

View PostGunmoku, on October 17 2014 - 07:49 PM, said:

View PostLiederkranz, on October 17 2014 - 12:55 PM, said:

View PostSpliff_Craven, on October 16 2014 - 11:52 PM, said:

Someone official that can speak up should; if nothing more than to shut down speculation and give us hope.

Isn't that what Hughes has been doing in his twitter lately?

Hughes hasn't made any direct references to Hawken on his Twitter in eons.  He said recently he's been "...asked not to talk about development on Hawken" leading most (including me) to believe there is a business acquisition happening or someone is replacing him.

That's what I meant, Gun. He didn't make any direct references but he did say that he was not allowed to talk about it. And it also lead me to believe there's a business acquisition happening or something similar.

Spliff said that someone official that can speak up, should do it at least to give hope. And as far as I know, Hughes is official enough working in Adhesive as the producer. And the things he has been saying brought hope at least for me. Even if it's a change of the game owners.
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Posted October 18 2014 - 11:34 AM

View PostLiederkranz, on October 18 2014 - 10:30 AM, said:

That's what I meant, Gun. He didn't make any direct references but he did say that he was not allowed to talk about it. And it also lead me to believe there's a business acquisition happening or something similar.

Spliff said that someone official that can speak up, should do it at least to give hope. And as far as I know, Hughes is official enough working in Adhesive as the producer. And the things he has been saying brought hope at least for me. Even if it's a change of the game owners.

well technically Hughes didn't say he's "not allowed to talk" about it, the last hawken-related thing he posted on twitter was that he's "unable to assist" with inquiries (https://twitter.com/...088726816116736) - what that actually means or whether there is some more context to that is totally up to speculation
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Posted October 20 2014 - 05:02 AM

I still think it's a matter of NDA.
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Posted October 20 2014 - 05:44 AM

I left for acouple months and I see the same threads all over the place. :ph34r:  It is true that the devs aren't saying that they are or are not under an NDA but I'm a person of action and not words, to me in my opinion the awkward silence for months tells me they are under a "don't talk yet policy" or packed it up and left the building incharge for someone else. After all, the servers are still up so somebody is still managing them. Neither the less it doesn't matter much without a dev saying whats what, so lets just leave it at that and play the game or something else. Support the game if you like it, and if you don't.(shrugs) Then just leave quietly...Preferably.

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#19 Spliff_Craven

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Posted October 21 2014 - 08:18 PM

The NDA is actually a DNT {Do Not Tell} and this is in place since the Dev's are all MIA.




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