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#1 Hyginos

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Posted October 15 2014 - 05:37 PM



Watch closely.

EDIT: I think this should have been under arts&media rather then GD...

Edited by Hyginos, October 15 2014 - 06:05 PM.

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Posted October 15 2014 - 06:14 PM

View PostHyginos, on October 15 2014 - 05:37 PM, said:

EDIT: I think this should have been under arts&media rather then GD...
Naa, this is a straight comparison, it's better served here than arts and media.

And if I'm seeing this right, extractor makes a very small difference, the better 'bang for the credits' is the repair kit.  Good to know, nice work!

(I don't mean to necro threads, I'm just almost always running behind.  My apologies)

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Posted October 15 2014 - 06:54 PM

at 4 seconds, with Ext+ARK 417hp finish,  Ext 370.
at 5 seconds, ARK 417hp finish, No-Int 370.
[i could be off slightly, the youtube @ 720p ain't that great on my HDTV "monitor"]

417 is a good thing, and if in a heavy buttsmacker match that 1 second difference could be crucial.
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Posted October 15 2014 - 07:07 PM

Do one with an A class now my friend! Also maybe use another map so there is more contrast in the HUD or change the HUD color I suppose. Nice work though Hyginos.

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Posted October 15 2014 - 10:02 PM

Also extractor+repair kit gives less hp than just the repair kit.

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Posted October 16 2014 - 12:27 AM

View Postcomic_sans, on October 15 2014 - 10:02 PM, said:

Also extractor+repair kit gives less hp than just the repair kit.
Actually, no, the two on the right side end up with the same end amount, 412.  The bottom right, repair and extractor, finishes up slightly faster.

Get a screen cap of the end and adjust the hue in your image editor of choice, you can see that the end amounts are the same.

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Posted October 16 2014 - 12:42 AM

The video description on YouTube says:

Top right: extractor
Top left: nothing
Bottom right: advanced repair kit
Bottom left: advanced repair kit and extractor

The captions on the video say:

Top right: advanced repair kit
Top left: extractor
Bottom right: advanced repair kit and extractor
Bottom left: nothing

What's right and what's wrong?

Edited by DerMax, October 16 2014 - 12:44 AM.


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Posted October 16 2014 - 12:45 AM

Thanks for sharing

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Posted October 16 2014 - 04:13 AM

View PostDerMax, on October 16 2014 - 12:42 AM, said:

The video description on YouTube says:

Top right: extractor
Top left: nothing
Bottom right: advanced repair kit
Bottom left: advanced repair kit and extractor

The captions on the video say:

Top right: advanced repair kit
Top left: extractor
Bottom right: advanced repair kit and extractor
Bottom left: nothing

What's right and what's wrong?

good catch. Fixed.


@ x9x8x7x  I did it with a gren because I have all these internals for it, and on fight club because not a lot of private servers are available on War Wednesday. :lol:
That said I have a template project saved so it should be pretty easy to re-make once I get footage.

Edited by Hyginos, October 16 2014 - 04:21 AM.

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Posted October 16 2014 - 04:58 AM

View PostHyginos, on October 16 2014 - 04:13 AM, said:

View PostDerMax, on October 16 2014 - 12:42 AM, said:

The video description on YouTube says:

Top right: extractor
Top left: nothing
Bottom right: advanced repair kit
Bottom left: advanced repair kit and extractor

The captions on the video say:

Top right: advanced repair kit
Top left: extractor
Bottom right: advanced repair kit and extractor
Bottom left: nothing

What's right and what's wrong?

good catch. Fixed.


@ x9x8x7x  I did it with a gren because I have all these internals for it, and on fight club because not a lot of private servers are available on War Wednesday. :lol:
That said I have a template project saved so it should be pretty easy to re-make once I get footage.

Could you please do the same with a regular Repair Kit and Basic Extractor?

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Posted October 16 2014 - 05:22 AM

so what did we learn from this? that item description doesn't lie?

Edited by Ker4u, October 16 2014 - 05:27 AM.

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Posted October 16 2014 - 07:34 AM

I still say that the reapair kit + extractor is very very useful.  If you notice the one without extractor takes 1 to 1.5 seconds longer to heal up. when going around cover that 1 second makes a difference with 42 hps more when someone is coming around that corner after you. Now you get 42 extra hp's just from advance repair kit per orb so one might beable to argue that instead deflectors will help you avoid more than 42 points of damage?  I'm not so sure though.  take a tow damage 125 x .2 = 25 damage.  So if you get hit by 2 tows dead on while dodging you will exceed that 42 damage.  That being said though if your mid dodge when deflectors are active not likely you will get hit by a tow dead on and only will receive partial damage lets assume a good high number such as 75%. 75% of 125 =93.75 x .2 = 18.75 damage less per tow, so it wud take 3 tows to equal the same amount of damage.  But this is assuming they hit you while in mid dodge.  Most people either shoot early and miss you anyways cause you dodged, or they wait till after you dodge then shoot.  Unless I'm mistake if they wait after you dodge then deflectors will no longer play a role in the damage avoided unless it has a small 1 second time frame afterwards that its still active?

Just in general use Ive found ARK +Extractor  pretty useful on a variety of mechs

Also I was assuming if someone is running deflectors they are probably running AC.  If they are doing this then deflectors are even less useful because 50% of your dodging in a fight (when you deflectors will be useful) will be in the air and again if im not mistaken deflects dont work on air dodging.

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Posted October 16 2014 - 08:09 AM

View PostSkitzo1d, on October 16 2014 - 07:34 AM, said:

[...] if im not mistaken deflects dont work on air dodging.
They works, try it by yourself, firend can also be a help here as he will be shooting you when you will dodge in midair
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Posted October 16 2014 - 09:18 AM

so what combination is best?

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Posted October 16 2014 - 02:46 PM

View PostSkitzo1d, on October 16 2014 - 07:34 AM, said:

I still say that the reapair kit + extractor is very very useful.  If you notice the one without extractor takes 1 to 1.5 seconds longer to heal up. when going around cover that 1 second makes a difference with 42 hps more when someone is coming around that corner after you. Now you get 42 extra hp's just from advance repair kit per orb so one might beable to argue that instead deflectors will help you avoid more than 42 points of damage?  I'm not so sure though.  take a tow damage 125 x .2 = 25 damage.  So if you get hit by 2 tows dead on while dodging you will exceed that 42 damage.  That being said though if your mid dodge when deflectors are active not likely you will get hit by a tow dead on and only will receive partial damage lets assume a good high number such as 75%. 75% of 125 =93.75 x .2 = 18.75 damage less per tow, so it wud take 3 tows to equal the same amount of damage.  But this is assuming they hit you while in mid dodge.  Most people either shoot early and miss you anyways cause you dodged, or they wait till after you dodge then shoot.  Unless I'm mistake if they wait after you dodge then deflectors will no longer play a role in the damage avoided unless it has a small 1 second time frame afterwards that its still active?

Just in general use Ive found ARK +Extractor  pretty useful on a variety of mechs

Also I was assuming if someone is running deflectors they are probably running AC.  If they are doing this then deflectors are even less useful because 50% of your dodging in a fight (when you deflectors will be useful) will be in the air and again if im not mistaken deflects dont work on air dodging.

I've actually been running kit, extractor, deflectors on my scout(and some of the other mechs I never play any more) and it seems to work out pretty well for me. Deflectors is a hard one to justify though, it's difficult to tell how much it really helps. Idk how much damage I'm tanking through deflectors, vs how much I outright dodge. And I haven't played long enough with out it to really get the subtle feel for it. I guess the the other non AC set up would include converter? But I've never really had a problem of fuel management, or at least it's rare enough to happen with out my ability up.




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