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#1 Evilmincer

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Posted October 29 2012 - 01:47 AM

I have been playing games since ancient times...

you know back in the day of paddles and joysticks on old CRT technicolor tv's.

Coughs... Enough about me...


And I am guilty of hacking games over the years, especially when i got bored and wanting to see what else I could do...

So that being said, it takes one to know one rings true...

This game is already starting to descend into the pitfall mistake that Combat Arms tripped into.

Anyone who plays Combat Arms, knows what I am talking about when I say Gordon.sys

Hacking is already a big problem on Hawken..

Tonight, I saw some good old fashion inventory hacking from an individual. SHelling out over 12 of those metal balls. When i think the limit is 2-4 or something like that. I quit and rejoined and followed him around and saw what he was doing.

So....With out trolling, or raging,
I respectfully request that you concentrate on getting some kind of punkbuster, or anti cheat system in play.

Because I for one will not spend money on a game, when cheats are so easy to make, especially when a game has been active for only 3 days.


And it only takes a word of mouth to certain gaming community where memebrs in the hundreds congregate to discuss games.. To destroy the reputation of a game company...

So I would hate to see a company that worked so hard, and so long to create this beautiful mech game, one like any other of its kind. Fall into the abyss..

Concentrate on..
anti-hacks..
Forced team balance
death camera mode to spy on potential cheaters.
report hacker button
Votekick system

And maybe even go so far as to copy RIOT...
Make a tribunal for votekicking/banning

Edited by Evilmincer, October 29 2012 - 01:48 AM.


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Posted October 29 2012 - 01:53 AM

The HE charge is limited to 2 shots... but it also has the exact same animation as the grenade launcher, which has infinite ammo. You haven't witnessed any hacking.


Hacking is obviously a problem that must be considered along the line... but false accusations bother me.

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Posted October 29 2012 - 02:00 AM

3 days, eh?

I think you underestimate what anti-hacks entails. Not even punkbuster stops hackers. For every programmer that meteor diverts to hacking, you can count on a hundred people trying to think up a way around it - and they will, quite possibly within "3 days"! Especially the ones whose living is making hack tools for the folks that'll shell out 40 bucks a month for a hack tool subscription.

Anti-hack programs are the gaming allegory to the war on drugs. Hacks will never be stamped out. There will always be ways around the protections that are put in place, because in North America, cheating is not a crime. Report a hacker, you say, so he can make a new account, buy another sharpshooter, and do the same thing some more? What then? Ban his IP? If necessary, that only takes a call to his ISP to fix.

In the end, you're just giving more tickets for meteor to sift through. Nevermind all the false positives you'd get from butthurt kids that think anyone who can aim better than them must be hacking, were death cameras be implemented. Why waste resources trying to combat hacks at this early a stage? In a beta?

And sorry, but forced team balance is pretty awful for encouraging teamwork amongst random players. Death cameras are terrible game design as well, since they show you where your enemies hide. Players should not be rewarded for dying.

Edited by Luftwaffle, October 29 2012 - 02:02 AM.

If you can't stand the HEAT, stay out of the map.

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Posted October 29 2012 - 02:02 AM

View PostImmie, on October 29 2012 - 01:53 AM, said:

The HE charge is limited to 2 shots... but it also has the exact same animation as the grenade launcher, which has infinite ammo. You haven't witnessed any hacking.
This...
Please do your research in the future.

If you don't even know mech loadouts and abilities well enough to know a GL from an HE, you have no business crying hax.

[HWK]HUGHES, on July 03 2013 - 11:07 PM, said:

AJK is right

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Posted October 29 2012 - 02:05 AM

Those sneaky hackers, using the non-default mech...
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Posted October 29 2012 - 02:06 AM

might been infil :D
Bring it on! :)

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Posted October 29 2012 - 02:13 AM

Oh, by the way, thanks for mentioning you've hacked games in the past.
Congratulations on instantly losing all credibility.

[HWK]HUGHES, on July 03 2013 - 11:07 PM, said:

AJK is right

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#8 Evilmincer

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Posted October 29 2012 - 02:22 AM

how does that make me lose credibility. At least I have integerity to admit to my past.

And because of my past..the sole reason why I got into game producing.
And no I wont state the name of the game on here, it's not ethical.

So do troll me a little harder next time.

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Posted October 29 2012 - 02:24 AM

View PostLuftwaffle, on October 29 2012 - 02:00 AM, said:

3 days, eh?

I think you underestimate what anti-hacks entails. Not even punkbuster stops hackers. For every programmer that meteor diverts to hacking, you can count on a hundred people trying to think up a way around it - and they will, quite possibly within "3 days"! Especially the ones whose living is making hack tools for the folks that'll shell out 40 bucks a month for a hack tool subscription.

Anti-hack programs are the gaming allegory to the war on drugs. Hacks will never be stamped out. There will always be ways around the protections that are put in place, because in North America, cheating is not a crime. Report a hacker, you say, so he can make a new account, buy another sharpshooter, and do the same thing some more? What then? Ban his IP? If necessary, that only takes a call to his ISP to fix.

In the end, you're just giving more tickets for meteor to sift through. Nevermind all the false positives you'd get from butthurt kids that think anyone who can aim better than them must be hacking, were death cameras be implemented. Why waste resources trying to combat hacks at this early a stage? In a beta?

And sorry, but forced team balance is pretty awful for encouraging teamwork amongst random players. Death cameras are terrible game design as well, since they show you where your enemies hide. Players should not be rewarded for dying.

Seriously man... butt hurt over someone being better?
Please son....

There is better, and there is bull.

I made this post as means to improve the game, not get some fuzzy bunny troll to belittle my concerns.

at least we know
fuzzy is the alt word for F___
and bunny is the alt word for A___H____

Edited by Evilmincer, October 29 2012 - 02:25 AM.


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Posted October 29 2012 - 02:33 AM

BTW, "fuzzy bunny" is the wordfilter for a number of different words. Try them all, see how fast it takes you to be unable to post.
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Posted October 29 2012 - 02:35 AM

You made this post as a result of what is basically just ignorance of the game's mechanics
If you had played for longer and explored more of the game, you would have realized that this is just good old-fashioned spam
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Posted October 29 2012 - 02:40 AM

View PostEvilmincer, on October 29 2012 - 02:24 AM, said:

Seriously man... butt hurt over someone being better?
Please son....

There is better, and there is bull.

I made this post as means to improve the game, not get some fuzzy bunny troll to belittle my concerns.

at least we know
fuzzy is the alt word for F___
and bunny is the alt word for A___H____
That's cool. Giving a long explanation as to why every single suggestion you made is a bad idea is trolling, apparently. You must be one of those people who think disagreeing is trolling. How cute.

I like how you immediately felt as if I was saying you were being butthurt, despite specifying butthurt kids in a hypothetical situation in which we had death cams. Tell me, are you a kid, despite calling me son? Because if you're not a kid, you're making a straw man of my statement. You then proceed to escalate things and call me a "F___ A___H____".

You've got hypocrisy and fallacies in spades, I see.

Edited by Luftwaffle, October 29 2012 - 02:46 AM.

If you can't stand the HEAT, stay out of the map.

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Posted October 29 2012 - 02:40 AM

View PostEvilmincer, on October 29 2012 - 02:22 AM, said:

how does that make me lose credibility. At least I have integerity to admit to my past.

And because of my past..the sole reason why I got into game producing.
And no I wont state the name of the game on here, it's not ethical.

So do troll me a little harder next time.
I'm sure your programming experience makes you a great assest in game development.
But as a game player?
That's a different situation.

Oh, and how that makes you lose credibility?
The message you've sent is "I hack games when I get bored."
Think about it.

Also, integrity be damned.
I've seen plenty of hackers who have the integrity to admit what they've done and go legit. And then plenty of them go right back to hacking.

[HWK]HUGHES, on July 03 2013 - 11:07 PM, said:

AJK is right

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Posted October 29 2012 - 03:03 AM

View PostAsianJoyKiller, on October 29 2012 - 02:40 AM, said:

View PostEvilmincer, on October 29 2012 - 02:22 AM, said:

how does that make me lose credibility. At least I have integerity to admit to my past.

And because of my past..the sole reason why I got into game producing.
And no I wont state the name of the game on here, it's not ethical.

So do troll me a little harder next time.
I'm sure your programming experience makes you a great assest in game development.
But as a game player?
That's a different situation.

Oh, and how that makes you lose credibility?
The message you've sent is "I hack games when I get bored."
Think about it.

Also, integrity be damned.
I've seen plenty of hackers who have the integrity to admit what they've done and go legit. And then plenty of them go right back to hacking.

Yes, but you cant judge every one by the action of a few.

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Posted October 29 2012 - 03:19 AM

You do understand what "plenty" means, right?

[HWK]HUGHES, on July 03 2013 - 11:07 PM, said:

AJK is right

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Posted October 29 2012 - 04:56 AM

Omg, GL is hax nao.

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Posted October 29 2012 - 05:05 AM

Thats internet now days, one slip and youre marked :) anyway I understand why asianjoykiller is cautios as I hate hackers too. and I agree meteor needs be cautions with hackers as they can ruin the game pretty much if youre not carefull, but again we havent got any information are they gonna prepare how defend against them... sadly the fact is there is always someone who wants ruin others fun :S
Bring it on! :)

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Posted October 29 2012 - 05:08 AM

Hey you guys, seriously?
He saw something he thought was suspicious and made a note about it in order to draw attention to it. Sure maybe he could have done it in a better fashion or tone, but that doesn't excuse you lot to swwop down on him and tear his guts out like this.

Yeah, it is very likely that what he saw was an infiltrator using the grenade launcher. It might have been a little silly of him to jump to this conclusion without having all the facts, but then again you lot didn't really care if that was the case or not did you? You never gave him half a chance to clarify or retract his statement. Instead of making this a discussion about the potential issue you turned it into a personal attack and he was left trying to defend posting at all rather than what he was posting about.

So cut it out, what you are doing is of no benefit to anyone.
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Posted October 29 2012 - 05:55 AM

View PostFragxile, on October 29 2012 - 05:08 AM, said:

He saw something he thought was suspicious and made a note about it in order to draw attention to it. Sure maybe he could have done it in a better fashion or tone, but that doesn't excuse you lot to swwop down on him and tear his guts out like this.
He didn't make a note. He swaggered into the forum and blessed us with his immense wisdom -- that grenade launchers are hax. He came in with an ego the size of his radar signature and it backfired on him. And then he resorted to swearing to get his own back when people pointed out his mistakes to him.

Could they have been nicer about it? Sure, of course they could have. But remember the Golden Rule.
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#20 lavalamp1138

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Posted October 29 2012 - 06:11 AM

Let's keep this discussion civil, guys. We don't mind people getting into somewhat heated debates, but comments should be targeted at the argument and not the individual.




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