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Does dodging need a nerf?


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Poll: Nerf Dodge? (87 member(s) have cast votes)

Does dodging need a nerf?

  1. Yes (4 votes [4.60%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.60%

  2. Should be completely removed (1 votes [1.15%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.15%

  3. No, it's all fine (82 votes [94.25%])

    Percentage of vote: 94.25%

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#1 FakeName

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Posted May 30 2013 - 06:34 AM

Well ... as you can read here: https://community.pl...ts/page__st__60

I wanted to start a survey.

Please vote fair and you may post some comments about your thinking about this :)

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#2 Umbre

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Posted May 30 2013 - 07:15 AM

No. If anything, maneuverability overall needs to be increased, especially for the C classes.

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Posted May 30 2013 - 07:31 AM

i LOVE dodging in this game, its just a HUGE life saver. i wouldn't be as good at this game if not for it. that and it wouldn't be as close to mech fights as it currently is.

View PostUmbre, on May 30 2013 - 07:15 AM, said:

No. If anything, maneuverability overall needs to be increased, especially for the C classes.

Ehhh, i agree somewhat. i rather give more fighting chance to the schmucks using C-mechs, i like a good challenge when im killing something. when  1 B-mech (me!!!) can take on and kill a C-mech with still 250 hp left, i think there's a balance problems. they take a while to kill, but their dodge speed is sooooooooooooooo slow its just a side step, not a genuine dodge.

i want tougher enemies to kill!

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Posted May 30 2013 - 08:04 AM

Movement needs a buff

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Posted May 30 2013 - 09:55 AM

Vote partial and extremely stupid made ​​only in order to keep an dodge already widespread among veterans ... You can continue to find that the game is well and then wonder why the servers shut out of nowhere. I personally feel sorry for the misfortune that is happening to Hawken, but I see that part of the blame is your community. Goodbye.

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Posted May 30 2013 - 11:06 AM

Dude, Hawken is making money and they also have more servers aviable now so don't tell me they haven't got the money.

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Posted May 30 2013 - 01:02 PM

I want an option for hyper dodge.

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#8 AsianJoyKiller

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Posted May 30 2013 - 01:22 PM

Where's the poll option for "replace Hawken's movement system with Quake's"?

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AJK is right

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Posted May 30 2013 - 01:40 PM

I cant believe someone actually voted yes in this!  Oh wait, yes I can.

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Posted May 30 2013 - 04:24 PM

Dodging is what makes this game for me. It's the thrill of the chase that keeps me logging in. Also the thrill of not knowing what I'm chasing my target into. (ambush)

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Posted May 30 2013 - 04:51 PM

View PostAsianJoyKiller, on May 30 2013 - 01:22 PM, said:

Where's the poll option for "replace Hawken's movement system with Quake's"?
If only to see C-classes strafe jump.
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Posted May 30 2013 - 05:22 PM

View PostGruncor, on May 30 2013 - 09:55 AM, said:

Vote partial and extremely stupid made ​​only in order to keep an dodge already widespread among veterans ... You can continue to find that the game is well and then wonder why the servers shut out of nowhere. I personally feel sorry for the misfortune that is happening to Hawken, but I see that part of the blame is your community. Goodbye.
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Posted May 30 2013 - 05:34 PM

I dont think it needs a nerf but a limit to the amout it can be done so that the C class can get that shot it needs to kill fast moving targets like scout and others. Not to shorten its boosters but the dodge  as to how many it can do. just MO. Or....give a bit of dodge to C class. Other then that its good.
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Posted May 30 2013 - 09:23 PM

View PostLONEDEADWOLF, on May 30 2013 - 05:34 PM, said:

I dont think it needs a nerf but a limit to the amout it can be done so that the C class can get that shot it needs to kill fast moving targets like scout and others. Not to shorten its boosters but the dodge  as to how many it can do. just MO. Or....give a bit of dodge to C class. Other then that its good.
None of that makes any sense.

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AJK is right

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Posted May 30 2013 - 09:28 PM

I love that single vote against dodging.

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Posted May 30 2013 - 11:11 PM

People need to stop complaining about dodge and learn to use it, if anything, we c classes need a dodge buff!
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Posted May 30 2013 - 11:47 PM

Removing dodging is a great idea! Then all the fights can simply be walking in circles around each other Mechwarrior style! It would be so elegantly simple, it would be perfect.

I think that this would be the best way to make Type-C mech useful as well. Because then they would have the advantage of health, and the mobility advantage that Type-A mechs have would not be nearly as powerful anymore!

I can see it now. With the removal of dodging, every game will simply be two teams of Type-C mechs slowly waddling in circles around each other. Not using any kind of cover or fancy maneuvers, just slowly circle strafing and shooting. It sounds like SO MUCH FUN!
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Posted May 31 2013 - 05:41 AM

View PostAsianJoyKiller, on May 30 2013 - 09:23 PM, said:

View PostLONEDEADWOLF, on May 30 2013 - 05:34 PM, said:

I dont think it needs a nerf but a limit to the amout it can be done so that the C class can get that shot it needs to kill fast moving targets like scout and others. Not to shorten its boosters but the dodge  as to how many it can do. just MO. Or....give a bit of dodge to C class. Other then that its good.
None of that makes any sense.
Poor grammar, but still made perfect sense for to me. Try reading it.

And my response to what he said is we already have a system for that. It's called fuel management. I wouldn't try to limit the A classes on how often they can dodge since it's their only method of survival. The distance dodged is fine, but overall the speed needs to be increased more towards the heavier mechs (but still slightly for the lights). Best ways to make the change you suggested LONEDEADWOLF is to change the fuel supply of lights, but honestly it would suck hard for A classes if that were to happen. If you have trouble hitting A classes, you really need to start learning how to predict where they're going to dodge.
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Posted May 31 2013 - 08:07 AM

Also keep in mind that those mechs using endless dodges are also probably using movement based optimizations and internals.

That being said, C-class does need something. I don't know that it's dodging that we need though. Perhaps a boosted swivel to help track fast moving mechs?

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Posted May 31 2013 - 09:54 AM

Without dodge, this would be a really meh shooter I do believe. I'd like to see either (or both) the amount of fuel in your tanks increase or the fuel regen rate faster.




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