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#1 KaszaWspraju

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Posted March 17 2013 - 05:06 AM

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Picture says it all. Mixing test servers from another region, Rating system drastically narrowed the number of available servers.

In subsequent tests, and patach, please make it clear that they will not be available for all. Devs You so nicely cooperates with the community, and then the behavior  straight from EA .

High pings on servers uk, form 90 to 120, and sometimes 200. Lag at low ping, loss of connections, the list of friends lose synchronization.

Is bad, and it was much better.

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Posted March 17 2013 - 05:23 AM

I think people know my opinion on these issues.

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Posted March 17 2013 - 06:22 AM

We really needed another thread about this :rolleyes:

Edited by Aisar, March 17 2013 - 06:44 AM.

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Posted March 17 2013 - 06:23 AM

Agree totally. When this game works I love it but since patch I am having same issues. Game had never crashed and I had never had the everything goes quiet, all mechs silently drift into wall or stand still then disconnect problem until after the patch. I am also have probs getting games as so many servers are outside my rating. While it did work last night and I had a very good couple of games with some really good players, there is just not the player base at the mo to justify such a narrow skill range. I like DM and I have found myself over the last week or so joining an unranked server which has no one on and wandering around in the hope that a few people will join. It does not happen, so far one guy joined, I killed him once and he left. I tried 24 player mayhem and it was fun but so laggy, I got hit by secondaries before I even saw them launch and general rubber banding was occurring all over. This game has the potential to be amazing, but at the moment it can be very frustrating.

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Posted March 17 2013 - 06:50 AM

yea getting hit by ghost hellfire missiles is a real drag. quick match does seem to get me in a match pretty quick (rating is ~1900) but it seems a always play the same people, and getting my face blown to bits by GATX is getting old haha.

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Posted March 17 2013 - 06:54 AM

View PostAisar, on March 17 2013 - 06:22 AM, said:

We really needed another thread about this :rolleyes:

Until the devs have the common sense to at least acknowledge how badly they f'd up and that they're planning on a fix...

Yea, we really need a lot more threads about this.

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Posted March 17 2013 - 07:08 AM

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I now spend 30 min to find a good server to play. Some have lag,others are full ,and others have 0 players or lower rating. In quick match
I find about 3-5 ppl and they are the same. The rating system totally sux. More than average players have a hard time finding a suitable game. Not to mention the match imbalances IF (IF!!!) you find a good srv. It takes away big time from the experience.

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Posted March 17 2013 - 07:48 AM

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Just a quickly mashed together suggestion regarding this problem. To give a good amount of servers for each respectable rating, and let them not be calculated by the avarage MMR rating. Once you've reached the right rating you can advance to the next tier (or get placed in a lower one). This will keep the safe haven for the newer players, while keeping enough availability of servers for everyone.

Just an idea tho.

Edited by Rerugan, March 17 2013 - 07:49 AM.

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Posted March 17 2013 - 08:25 AM

View PostPlanckZero, on March 17 2013 - 06:54 AM, said:

View PostAisar, on March 17 2013 - 06:22 AM, said:

We really needed another thread about this :rolleyes:

Until the devs have the common sense to at least acknowledge how badly they f'd up and that they're planning on a fix...

Yea, we really need a lot more threads about this.
No, we don't, and the devs didn't "f up" at all.  They implemented a common sense solution to a monstrous problem.  Plenty of people from the vocal minority have made their opinions known, the devs are aware of it.  The game is in Beta, they can test or implement whatever they want.  The game's population is too small, it's a problem we are all experiencing.  Stop crying, hit quick match, enjoy.  If that doesn't work play something else.  It's a free to play game in Open Beta, nuff said.
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Posted March 17 2013 - 08:59 AM

View PostAisar, on March 17 2013 - 08:25 AM, said:

No, we don't, and the devs didn't "f up" at all.  They implemented a common sense solution to a monstrous problem.  Plenty of people from the vocal minority have made their opinions known, the devs are aware of it.  The game is in Beta, they can test or implement whatever they want.  The game's population is too small, it's a problem we are all experiencing.  Stop crying, hit quick match, enjoy.  If that doesn't work play something else.  It's a free to play game in Open Beta, nuff said.

Oh look, someone pulling out the "it's a beta" card... how original.

The new restrictions aren't a "test" for anything, they're merely a poorly thought out attempt to appease the whiny players that prefer to stomp on others rather than being stomped on themselves.

Unless you're on the extreme end of the rating spectrums this is not a problem we're "all" experiencing.  Right now in the US server list someone with a ranking of 1500 has FORTY FOUR rooms within their +/- 200 range.

Know how many rooms fall within the +/- 200 range if you have a ranking of 1900+?

ZERO.

The only rooms I have access to are a handful of empty unranked rooms that never fill up and the unranked facility/mayhem test maps.

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Posted March 17 2013 - 09:05 AM

View PostPlanckZero, on March 17 2013 - 08:59 AM, said:

View PostAisar, on March 17 2013 - 08:25 AM, said:

No, we don't, and the devs didn't "f up" at all.  They implemented a common sense solution to a monstrous problem.  Plenty of people from the vocal minority have made their opinions known, the devs are aware of it.  The game is in Beta, they can test or implement whatever they want.  The game's population is too small, it's a problem we are all experiencing.  Stop crying, hit quick match, enjoy.  If that doesn't work play something else.  It's a free to play game in Open Beta, nuff said.

Oh look, someone pulling out the "it's a beta" card... how original.

The new restrictions aren't a "test" for anything, they're merely a poorly thought out attempt to appease the whiny players that prefer to stomp on others rather than being stomped on themselves.

Unless you're on the extreme end of the rating spectrums this is not a problem we're "all" experiencing.  Right now in the US server list someone with a ranking of 1500 has FORTY FOUR rooms within their +/- 200 range.

Know how many rooms fall within the +/- 200 range if you have a ranking of 1900+?

ZERO.

The only rooms I have access to are a handful of empty unranked rooms that never fill up and the unranked facility/mayhem test maps.
I clearly stated that the game has a population problem.  You can argue all you want, my point was well made and there's nothing else to say.

edit: and just fyi-

"The new restrictions aren't a "test" for anything, they're merely a poorly thought out attempt to appease the whiny players that prefer to stomp on others rather than being stomped on themselves."

This statement makes NO sense at all, it is completely contradictory to the system myself and others are trying to fight for.  Get out, you are done here sir.

Edited by Aisar, March 17 2013 - 09:19 AM.

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Posted March 17 2013 - 10:07 AM

View PostPlanckZero, on March 17 2013 - 06:54 AM, said:

View PostAisar, on March 17 2013 - 06:22 AM, said:

We really needed another thread about this :rolleyes:
Until the devs have the common sense to at least acknowledge how badly they f'd up and that they're planning on a fix...Yea, we really need a lot more threads about this.

[HWK]SUPPPORT_ARE_TROOPS! said:

...we've heard the complaints loud and clear, and are investigating loosening the restrictions.

They have heard the complaints, and they have responded. Very soon after the patch hit, in fact. So all these extra threads are actually unnecessary - we do have AJK's impromptu megathread where MMR restrictions are being discussed at length. We really don't need a lot more threads about the same topic. In the meantime, you can join on friends, use the matchmaker, remember that any advanced player can join any advanced server, or you can talk about other things. If you must talk about MMR restrictions, there are threads available for that. Be patient and we'll see this issue addressed with a change when they are able, and aren't just making a snap decision that could very easily be going too far in the other direction for the sake of a change, and just causing us all different problems.

Edited by Saturnine, March 17 2013 - 10:20 AM.

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Posted March 17 2013 - 10:15 AM

View PostKaszaWspraju, on March 17 2013 - 05:06 AM, said:

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Your screenshot shows that it's keeping you out of one 1606 avg game, three 1550 avg games, and 8 under 1500 games.  Do you really want to play with new players?  I think everyone would be be better off waiting for more players of your skill level to come online for you to play with.  I am sorry that Hawken's population is low.  But new player retention is abysmal.

I'm sorry that there aren't more good players to play with.

Try the match maker, it's been known to circumvent the rating restrictions.

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Posted March 17 2013 - 10:20 AM

View PostPlanckZero, on March 17 2013 - 06:54 AM, said:

Until the devs have the common sense to at least acknowledge how badly they f'd up and that they're planning on a fix...

You are going to have to make a stronger argument for how they "badly f'd up."  Things are a lot better for 80% of the Hawken player base.  All you ever see on the forum is the vocal minority.

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Posted March 17 2013 - 10:28 AM


Do not complain about your ping...90 to 200 is high to you?

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Posted March 17 2013 - 10:29 AM

View PostAisar, on March 17 2013 - 09:05 AM, said:

I clearly stated that the game has a population problem.  You can argue all you want, my point was well made and there's nothing else to say.

In which crazy f'd up world do you live in where when you have a population problem it is entirely reasonable to enact restrictions that make those problems infinitely worse?

View PostRentAKnight, on March 17 2013 - 10:15 AM, said:

Try the match maker, it's been known to circumvent the rating restrictions.

Being required to blindly enter random rooms, on the rare occasion where you don't simply get dumped alone in a 1/12 room, is not a solution.  Especially when lower ranked players are given free reign of dozens of rooms as they please.

View PostSaturnine, on March 17 2013 - 10:07 AM, said:

They have heard the complaints, and they have responded. Very soon after the patch hit, in fact.

Unless something like this gets posted in a sticky or the news it means little because no one is going to see it tucked away in some random thread.

This patch is the kind of ass backwards fiasco that you don't "investigate", if the devs had any common sense there would have been a patch to undo this mess as soon as possible rather than punishing a group of players while they twiddle their thumbs and sort things out.

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Posted March 17 2013 - 10:33 AM

I've seen a lot of vets use these words on newbs who come onto the forums and complain about how their concerns aren't being taken seriously.

HWK is selling a product, if you don't like it, don't buy it.  Play another game.
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Posted March 17 2013 - 10:34 AM

View PostRentAKnight, on March 17 2013 - 10:20 AM, said:

View PostPlanckZero, on March 17 2013 - 06:54 AM, said:

Until the devs have the common sense to at least acknowledge how badly they f'd up and that they're planning on a fix...

You are going to have to make a stronger argument for how they "badly f'd up."  Things are a lot better for 80% of the Hawken player base.  All you ever see on the forum is the vocal minority.

Seriously?

People having ZERO rooms in their range isn't a big enough sign that something is f'd up?

That "vocal minority" can barely play the game any more.  This isn't a handful of people making the standard complaints that X is too strong and needs to be nerfed.  This is a segment of the population that's been thrown aside and would like to be able to actually play the game like that fortunate other 80% still can.

View PostRentAKnight, on March 17 2013 - 10:33 AM, said:

HWK is selling a product, if you don't like it, don't buy it.  Play another game.

Just how securely is your head shoved up your ass at this point?

Try and take 5 seconds to think over how long any company would last if after crippling their product for, and let's just use the number you previously threw out there, 20% of their customers and their response was to tell everyone to fuzzy bunny off if they didn't like it.

Edited by PlanckZero, March 17 2013 - 10:40 AM.


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Posted March 17 2013 - 10:38 AM

You're complaining that the game is new.  What do you want them to do about it?  Allow you to cream newbs because you're bored?  They want to retain new players.

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Posted March 17 2013 - 10:46 AM

View PostRentAKnight, on March 17 2013 - 10:38 AM, said:

You're complaining that the game is new.  What do you want them to do about it?  Allow you to cream newbs because you're bored?  They want to retain new players.

Oh please, another spin on "it's a beta!"?

Who the fuzzy bunny ever asked to "cream newbs" exactly?  People want to be able to actually join a room that doesn't require sitting around for 15-30 minutes to fill up like asshats like you seem to take for granted now.

Just because you've concocted a fantasy scenario where everyone in the 1500-1700 range is a delicate flower that must be handled with care or they'll cry to mommy and never play computer games ever again doesn't make it true.




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