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#1 Beefsweat

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Posted November 20 2012 - 01:32 PM

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The last couple siege games I've gotten into have been exactly this. Note that for half of a game my team got spawn camped and eventually lost. Sigh.

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#2 GunsnButter

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Posted November 20 2012 - 01:42 PM

Ugh. They're really that powerful? Haven't gotten to play yet today.

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Posted November 20 2012 - 02:00 PM

Yep, this is one hell of a way to ruin the game.
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Posted November 20 2012 - 02:16 PM

Sorry, I don't follow, can you explain a bit more? Do you find that rocketeer is wtf op now or something? If so why?

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Posted November 20 2012 - 02:19 PM

My point is that it's not fun to play against an entire team of c-classes, even less so when you're camped so hard your only options are to quit or idle. What gives?

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Posted November 20 2012 - 02:32 PM

Most games have a limit of classes. Not sure about this game as it's class is not freely available. However, I've not played a team of all rocketeers or C classes yet. In my scout (a class) I can run rings around 1 or even 2 C classes and take them out if I'm not too risky and jump in too close. Thing is, in a scout I can dodge most of the missiles or peek and shoot.

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Posted November 20 2012 - 02:39 PM

As usual with first day beta posts like this, please play more then one or two games before coming to a conclusion. It could just be that you happened to be placed against a group of people that were exceptionally good. My guild has done the same kind of tactic last beta, but we have a large variety of different mech when we play.

Playing against a coordinated team when your team isn't makes it extremely off balance simply by a level of skill. (Not saying you or anyone is bad, but just because you lost to a group of the same types of mech once or twice doesn't mean imbalance is there.)

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Posted November 20 2012 - 02:44 PM

View PostCaliberMengsk, on November 20 2012 - 02:39 PM, said:

As usual with first day beta posts like this, please play more then one or two games before coming to a conclusion. It could just be that you happened to be placed against a group of people that were exceptionally good. My guild has done the same kind of tactic last beta, but we have a large variety of different mech when we play.

Playing against a coordinated team when your team isn't makes it extremely off balance simply by a level of skill. (Not saying you or anyone is bad, but just because you lost to a group of the same types of mech once or twice doesn't mean imbalance is there.)

Spawn camping and "exceptionally good" are different things. I never said anything about imbalance or skill. It's just not fun to play against that.
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Posted November 20 2012 - 02:49 PM

It's a tactic. In something like deathmatch, yes, spawn camping is a bad thing to do, in objective based games, it's a tactic that works very well. Why should a team let you take back the position if your teams skill is lacking enough that you can't take it back. There is NO reason that 5 freshly healed mech that have turret defenses shouldn't be able to break out of a base.

Spawn camping for cheap kills makes you a scumbag, I agree on that, but spawn camping to keep a team in their base on a team objective based map is hardly a scumbag move, and is completely tactics.

If anything, the maps should be changed so the bases have more then one way out. It's hardly the fault of the other team that yours is failing to get out.

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Posted November 20 2012 - 03:55 PM

When i read the OP i assumed their ship was just getting shattered from seekers.
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Posted November 20 2012 - 03:55 PM

I expected Rocketeers to become the almighty class in CBE 3.

Because they were the least powerful they get buffed above and beyond.
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Posted November 20 2012 - 04:01 PM

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Posted November 20 2012 - 06:15 PM

This is not proof that the Rocketeer is overpowered. You can expect the mech to be heavily played because it is free and it has a unique weapon that people want to check out. I have seen much worse scoreboards in games where no Rocketeers were played.

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Posted November 20 2012 - 07:41 PM

It's not overpowered in my experience so far, Just move.

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Posted November 20 2012 - 07:51 PM

I've found that Rocketeer with seeker is really good at locking down an area like the AA if you have teammate support.. but on the flip side they are close to useless against a decent MechA.

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Posted November 20 2012 - 07:56 PM

I have been piloting the rocketeer exclusively so far, it is tough purely because it is a C class and the new weapon is pretty good, but it is far from overpowered- infact I think the seeker missles could do with a tiny increase in damage, but that is just me.

As many people have said, just because you got spawn camped by a bunch of people using a particular mech type doesn't make it overpowered. If it had been a group of Scouts or Assaults doing the same thing, would you cry that they are OP too?

I'll tell you what is OP. Teamwork.
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Posted November 20 2012 - 07:59 PM

View PostCaliberMengsk, on November 20 2012 - 02:49 PM, said:

It's a tactic. In something like deathmatch, yes, spawn camping is a bad thing to do, in objective based games, it's a tactic that works very well. Why should a team let you take back the position if your teams skill is lacking enough that you can't take it back. There is NO reason that 5 freshly healed mech that have turret defenses shouldn't be able to break out of a base.

Spawn camping for cheap kills makes you a scumbag, I agree on that, but spawn camping to keep a team in their base on a team objective based map is hardly a scumbag move, and is completely tactics.

If anything, the maps should be changed so the bases have more then one way out. It's hardly the fault of the other team that yours is failing to get out.
I disagree, spawn camping in any situation is a scum bag move.

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Posted November 20 2012 - 08:06 PM

Compared to the CBE2 Vulcan, I can think even less with the Seeker. The Rocketeer is very powerful, but now it is also very boring. I would rather have a dumb fire missile salvo for a primary weapon.

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Posted November 20 2012 - 08:33 PM

View PostNitris, on November 20 2012 - 07:56 PM, said:

I have been piloting the rocketeer exclusively so far, it is tough purely because it is a C class and the new weapon is pretty good, but it is far from overpowered- infact I think the seeker missles could do with a tiny increase in damage, but that is just me.

As many people have said, just because you got spawn camped by a bunch of people using a particular mech type doesn't make it overpowered. If it had been a group of Scouts or Assaults doing the same thing, would you cry that they are OP too?

I'll tell you what is OP. Teamwork.

I didn't "cry" about anything being OP.
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Posted November 20 2012 - 09:29 PM

View PostBeefsweat, on November 20 2012 - 08:33 PM, said:

I didn't "cry" about anything being OP.

Indeed, you did not. I appologise.

Still, you claim it is no fun to be against a team of C classes, which insinuates that they are somehow better or different enough to make a point to mention that they were there.
If you had simply said "spawn camping suxorz" and/or "teams of all one class are brokenz" then I doubt anyone would have gotten the wrong idea.

Regardless, spawn camping is a valid tactic, but a pretty buzzyfunny one that I personally try to avoid doing.
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