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I'm definitely a scrub; someone teach me how to play.


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#1 Valkyrie_Stryker

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Posted November 24 2012 - 10:50 AM

Tried this game way late in the night yesterday and I had loads of fun. Here's my problem though: my k:d is abysmal. I usually go 0:10 for a lot of the matches I play, but I can't seem to figure out why except for "dun go in front of that guy's face ASAP".

Besides the usual "hey play this game more so you learn" thing, what else can I be aiming for?

Things I learned in the last few games:

1) Don't go in front of a rocketeer's face (actually, that could be said for most classes....)
2) The game is NOT CoD (No, I know that already... I came from playing A LOT of TF2, so I should correct this statement in 2a)
2a) The game IS NOT TF2. There's no mech that does a ton of damage to the back (and if you try do it, this usually blows up in your face). This is coming from a main medic/spy player.
2b) You cannot grenade/rocket jump. Bad things happen. TOO OFTEN.
3) There's actually a jump ceiling! o_o
4) Aiming is somewhat clunkier (I adjusted my sensitivity to something higher, to like... 48 or something. It's now a bit too fast for me... I was looking for that 180 degree swipe feel, but that's really sensitive for me)
5) People actually jump down on me, ahmahgawd I can't compensate aim for this!
6) WTF ROCKETEERS. <--- I like the mech, but I feel its OP at the moment. A lot of the games I play, I see like 4 Rocketeers and spam seekers ALL OVER. Me, being who likes to play OTHER mechs, don't like to join this bandwagon. Still, I have a feeling that other plays may give me an insight on how to counter them.

Any help would be appreciated. =D

#2 Necro

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Posted November 24 2012 - 11:12 AM

A few things to note. The game has negative mouse acceleration. dunno why but it does.
(move your mouse fast it goes slow, slow it goes fast?!)

flying is a learned skill, don't do it against everyone or everything...people will fly under you and kill you.

You need to learn classes because they all have a way to beat them.
(scouts get in close so stay far away, rocket men like to stay far so actually yes get close, infiltrators play peak-a-boo so get them in the open.)

Ways to beat seekers, be in an A class mech and run circles around them, or try to be in a B class mech and do the same. yes if they can't keep there mouse on you you win.

Try not to 1v1

It's more of a game of staying alive then killing really.

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Posted November 24 2012 - 04:10 PM

Shift dodging is your best friend.
Stay close to your teammates as much as possible.
Find the best player on your team, support him and observer what he does so you can try and recreate it.
Read this: http://community.pla...-tricks-thread/
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Oh don't always listen to h0B0. Lol.


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Posted November 24 2012 - 05:19 PM

Pro tip: don't die

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Posted November 24 2012 - 05:24 PM

View Posth0B0, on November 24 2012 - 04:10 PM, said:

Shift dodging is your best friend.
Stay close to your teammates as much as possible.
Find the best player on your team, support him and observer what he does so you can try and recreate it.
Read this: http://community.pla...-tricks-thread/
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Posted November 24 2012 - 05:31 PM

View PostOdinTheWise, on November 24 2012 - 05:19 PM, said:

Pro tip: don't die

Or do. It doesn't do anything except give someone a kill. You don't lose any XP or points for death and your ability is reset. I personally think a player should be rewarded for dying less. I've had a couple of DM games where I was only trailing 1st by a few points even though I had a much better K/D ratio than the winning player. I often have many more kills+assists as well.
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Posted November 24 2012 - 06:08 PM

Giving someone a kill means business in TDMs, especially when things get pretty razor hairline close. Its something you should avoid. Retreat behind your friends or something.

General rules of thumb -
  • Never stand still in a firefight.
  • Learn to airburst TOWs if you use them.
  • Don't boost around when isolated from your team, unless you're sure to get to your team. Boost = showing up on radar AKA asking for a fight.
  • Assess the situation. The whole enemy team is there. You are alone. You sure as hell should not be charging into that fight.
  • Pick your fights. Rocketeer? Don't take him head on, get him from the back. Grenadier? In a tunnel? He can rot in the tunnel by himself. Stay out of the tunnel. There are some fights you don't want to fight.


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Posted November 25 2012 - 05:22 AM

View PostValkyrie_Stryker, on November 24 2012 - 10:50 AM, said:

Tried this game way late in the night yesterday and I had loads of fun. Here's my problem though: my k:d is abysmal. I usually go 0:10 for a lot of the matches I play, but I can't seem to figure out why except for "dun go in front of that guy's face ASAP".

I've been playing a match a day since CB3 started and I'm pretty much the same. Every once and a while I break even and get about 1 kill for ever death, but usually I'm just bombing. In fact I'm only playing Deathmatch until I get a little better because I feel like I'm just giving points to the other side when I play TDM.

View PostDreizehn, on November 24 2012 - 06:08 PM, said:

Giving someone a kill means business in TDMs, especially when things get pretty razor hairline close. Its something you should avoid. Retreat behind your friends or something.

General rules of thumb -
  • Never stand still in a firefight.
  • Learn to airburst TOWs if you use them.
  • Don't boost around when isolated from your team, unless you're sure to get to your team. Boost = showing up on radar AKA asking for a fight.
  • Assess the situation. The whole enemy team is there. You are alone. You sure as hell should not be charging into that fight.
  • Pick your fights. Rocketeer? Don't take him head on, get him from the back. Grenadier? In a tunnel? He can rot in the tunnel by himself. Stay out of the tunnel. There are some fights you don't want to fight.

Thanks for the tips. Many of us are drawn to this game because of the mechs or the style but find it frustrating because of the difficulty or a lack of FPS experience.

Edited by Vinushka, November 25 2012 - 05:23 AM.

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Posted November 25 2012 - 11:54 AM

Playing Deathmatch has its own strategies for coming out on top, even if there are players better than you in the game. Though same strategies apply to any DM game, though here its somewhat less effective due to Assists.

AKA. Killsteal. Two people fighting? That's a kill you can steal. Then a wounded guy you can finish off. Even if you miss a killsteal, you get an assist and a kill.

Basically never engage in a fight of your own accord unless its the obvious targets - like someone walking around with his back to your face or someone repairing. Or perhaps a class advantage. Walk around the map, not boosting, keeping your head low - preferably at the center ish of the map. See two red blips? Fire those boosters - you got a duel to crash. And ruin. People already involved in a fight tend to be a bit too preoccupied by that one red blip coming in to crash the party.

Who to attack when crashing a fight is a bit of a tossup. Generally you want to go for the guy with his arse to you. If you really aren't too confident in your own piloting skills, support the loser against the winner. Ensures that its the weaker guy you have to deal with solo, but this does yield lower score and there's a good chance that the weaker guy will lose before you take the stronger guy out first.

Though of course, any engagement is a magnet for even more people to come. Get your easy kills, but be prepared to disengage or fight hard. There will sure to be more people rocking up at the party, and its better if they fight each other rather than you. And if you do get involved in a losing fight - its not entirely a bad thing. That is an assist you'll be getting. Regular lost duels out in the open? Nobody's gonna finish the job for you.  

Also repair orbs baby. If you crashed a fight and took out the two combatants or more, chances are as the ambusher against distracted and damaged targets - you probably didn't suffer too badly. Those repair orbs should be more than sufficient to keep you in the game. Don't be too hasty to find a hole to hold C in, stand on those glowy orbs first.

Not to say personal skills do not matter. If you can out fight people 1v1, sure that's good.

It'd also be good to take note of when you win or lose fights. Was someone easy to take out? He's the turkey of the match. See him? Farm him. Sucks to be him but hey. Is there someone that kicks your ass in every encounter? Avoid him. Since he's good, he'll probably be a strong contender for points and you do not want to feed yourself to him.

Nobody is going to like you for this, but annoying tactics annoy people for a reason. They are pretty damned effective.

Its the gritty cruel world of a free for all. There is no honour. Only winners.

Edited by Dreizehn, November 25 2012 - 11:54 AM.


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Posted November 25 2012 - 10:15 PM

I recommend playing during the daytime, rather than the late evening, when your mind is fresh and your reactions are faster. Every time I've played during the late evening, i'm half-asleep and usually get my ass kicked.
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Posted November 25 2012 - 11:02 PM

if you have a buddy to practice with thats BETTER then your grind out some 1v1 or 2v2 and learn to dodge tow / grenades ( if you waste dodge you get autohit by anybody good)

if you dont play with people better than you , then you learn to play the wrong way by using strats that only work vs bad  people find a bot / gun that suits your playstyle (sniper > light bot (hit and run) > medium bot with assault rifle kind of beefy fighter)

i use infiltrator heat cannon / he nade / emp / this setup is really good if your good at aiming becuase it allows you to hit and run really well  scout is also really good if you know how to run people down and dodge proper  miniflak rly strong

just find a playstyle that suits you ( ONLY USE 1-2 BOTS) if you use more you will not get better as fast not to mention levels for talent points n such help allot

AND PLAY ALLOT and i dont mean 1-2 hours a day  if you put in 3-6 hours a day doing as i stated above its impossible not to get better if your into the FPS style of games

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