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#1 Hadraziel

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Posted October 28 2012 - 04:15 AM

Just a thread to explain my frustration when playing the new beta,

I felt that the pace of the game is way too slow, the time between dodges is way too long, the acceleration also feels too slow, as a results the gameplay feels less nervous. I remember duels with experienced players that were dodgeing left and right, sometimes managing to get out of my visual field somehow, this could not happen in this version of the game, it feels way too easy to hit people with hitscan weapons.

I know that it probably has to do with the fact that we start lvl 1 without any perks, but it is still an issue.

If I was to start Hawken level 1, and play with a slow ass mech, I would not want to keep playing. Levelling is supposed to give players an incentive to keep playing, but preventing new players from experiencing the fast-paced gameplay that this game has to offer is not the way to go.

Keep in mind that people are going to try the game, compare it to other shooters, and decide if they want to keep playing after a few hours, as it is now the game feels slower than pretty much any shooter on the market. Please reconsider this, I personnaly know what the game has to offer, and would consider buying those upgrades to get the fun, but the general public will only see the surface of the game, and will only be willing to pay if they have fun with the game in the first place.

Edited by Hadraziel, October 28 2012 - 02:01 PM.


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Posted October 28 2012 - 04:20 AM

I can't confirm this as I haven't been able to get in to a single game from the start of the beta, but I've seen other people complain about the game being way too slow on other forums, and they didn't even play the alpha. From my experiences with the alpha, I thought they were idiots, but now it looks like this may be an actual issue. Fast paced gameplay is what made Hawken fun. It would be sad to see it removed, or requiring you to fully upgrade a mech to get the same fast paced gameplay we experienced in the alpha.

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Posted October 28 2012 - 04:46 AM

tbh i don't feel this "slow down" in game pace compared to alpha. it is still bloody fast, considering its fight of big robots :D
yes, people will compare it to other shooters; yes, it feels slow, but every fps is different. i've played bf3, mw3, blacklight:r, borderlands and bunch of others and every game was different. even though hawken seems slow because mechs go slow, it doesn't mean the game is slow itself.
anyway, players need time to acquire and adjust to new, faster/slower/bigger/smaller mechs, as a process of learning curve. besides it gives them challenge they see to fulfil.

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Posted October 28 2012 - 04:59 AM

I haven't noticed a slowdown. TTKs, movement speed and thrust duration all feel the same as they were in Alpha 2. That said, anecdotal evidence is not worth arguing over... if anyone has numerical proof for either side, feel free to place it down.

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Posted October 28 2012 - 05:19 AM

For what I could play of it yes. It is way to slow on the upgrading.
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Posted October 28 2012 - 05:56 AM

i like the mech exp system, but as far as im getting the same k/d as i did in alpha but, this time i am only getting around 50-60 hp per game where as before it was about 100 per game.

anyone know if my meteor points will come back and the end of each beta?

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Posted October 28 2012 - 06:04 AM

View PostHadraziel, on October 28 2012 - 04:15 AM, said:

people are going to try the game, compare it to other shooters,

I see what you did there.  Hopefully you won't make that mistake again...
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Posted October 28 2012 - 06:12 AM

View PostSystemiK, on October 28 2012 - 06:04 AM, said:

View PostHadraziel, on October 28 2012 - 04:15 AM, said:

people are going to try the game, compare it to other shooters,

I see what you did there.  Hopefully you won't make that mistake again...

I hope they will, because one of the many reasons I love hawken is that it isn't like other shooters. If it handled the same way as other shooters then it wouldn't much matter that you're in a mech or if you're on foot. Personaly I think the speed and handle of the game is very nicely balanced it isn't so slow that I get bored and frustrated with just moving but it is still "clunky" and stompy enough that you feel as if you're riding around in a heavy piece of machinery.

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Posted October 28 2012 - 08:07 AM

View PostHadraziel, on October 28 2012 - 04:15 AM, said:

I felt that the pace of the game was greatly slowed down between alpha and beta, the time between dodges is way longer than it was before, the acceleration also feels much slower, as a results the gameplay feels less nervous.

Yes I absolutely agree - it is way to slow. I hope that they will fix it but I am afraid that they will design more narrow maps like titan and alleys for slow hopping and blunt intimate battles - they are better for casual low skill gamers. Today I've seen titan and alleys for a first time. They are looking great but after 5 games I was bored - only heavy tanks there. The only way to win is to pick an assault  - with an infiltrator its annoying and impossible to win because the most parts of the maps are way to narrow. There way too much obstacle around and the collision detection is totally bugged yet

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Posted October 28 2012 - 08:19 AM

i was hoping it would be a faster paced game. To compensate ive been rolling berserker with maxed out movement tree, which is pretty damn quick. i do very well but its not easy to survive/use ur speed effectively with lots of people in game.

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Posted October 28 2012 - 08:26 AM

Considering what us alpha players had and what we don't have now I think you should expect a change of pace in how it is. I believe some of us have gotten use to all the goodies we've experienced like it's a drug and now suffering because of withdrawals.

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Posted October 28 2012 - 08:39 AM

TTK feels a little faster to me.  The new maps and modes feel like they run a little slower in terms of getting into fights and general pace of the game.  I think it also really depends on the game mode,
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Posted October 28 2012 - 09:44 AM

Personally, I couldn't possibly comment on the speed of the game in comparison to the alpha because I signed a Non-Disclosure-Agreement...


I'm always C-class anyways, the game is always nice and slow for me :D

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Posted October 28 2012 - 11:16 AM

I also noticed this in my first match in Beta. It was frustrating but I kind of get used to it. But then I also realised now there is a tech tree.

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#15 Sram

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Posted October 28 2012 - 11:45 AM

I didn't play aplha, But im okay with the speed of the game, considering were using huge mechs, which don't move as fast as humans.  I find it hard to keep up and shoot some people when they dodge.  For me personally I like the pace of the game.  I think its at a good pace.

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Posted October 28 2012 - 11:48 AM

I think there's a serious case of nostalgia goggles going around. Play mechwarrior and hawken back to back. Hawken would be a living nightmare on clusterf*ck street if the game were paced faster. Edit: whoops, guess the profanity filter missed that one. Gotta keep it (relatively) clean here.

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Posted October 28 2012 - 11:55 AM

View PostApeX_PN01, on October 28 2012 - 04:20 AM, said:

I can't confirm this as I haven't been able to get in to a single game from the start of the beta, but I've seen other people complain about the game being way too slow on other forums, and they didn't even play the alpha. From my experiences with the alpha, I thought they were idiots, but now it looks like this may be an actual issue. Fast paced gameplay is what made Hawken fun. It would be sad to see it removed, or requiring you to fully upgrade a mech to get the same fast paced gameplay we experienced in the alpha.

If they did that then new players would be at a noticeable disadvantage while their new mechs moved like slugs and veteran mechs circle strafe them to death.

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Posted October 28 2012 - 12:02 PM

The speed feels fine to me and i was in the alpha,dodge maybe a tiny bit to long on the wait for recharge
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Posted October 28 2012 - 12:18 PM

The bigger the mech the slower it feels, remember that. the default Assault mech is a Med now, when it was A before. This will result in slower play. Also, remember that if you dont have points in improved dodge CD/speed it will feel slower then it may have appeared in beta.

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#20 LvL1201

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Posted October 28 2012 - 01:39 PM

I may be wrong but in the lapha i THINK we all had 100% of the movement upgrades by default.




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