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SMC vs AR - A DPS comparison


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#1 Umbre

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Posted January 11 2013 - 01:19 PM



Notice that at extremely close ranges, the SMC outputs higher DPS.
Some variables to take into account:

-h0B0 has higher ping
-h0B0 is using the CRT, and has more armor
-Slight delay between us both firing due to ping difference

All in all, AR still superior to SMC in almost any combat situation, unless you constantly find yourself in kissing-distance of other players who do not move.

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Posted January 11 2013 - 01:32 PM

Sigh...
Does this mean I have to retest their fire rates again?

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Posted January 11 2013 - 01:35 PM

Interesting..

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Posted January 11 2013 - 01:41 PM

Also worth noting: the SMC generates a lot more heat than the AR in each of the scenarios, according to AJKs current data the SMC overheats nearly 3 seconds quicker, which is a bit point against it (besides it loss of effectiveness at range).
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Posted January 11 2013 - 02:47 PM

Could you guys do the same thing with the other weapons?  I'm mostly interested in the heat cannon.  Although hitting the timing of the heat perfectly every time is going to be variable.  Could do it with charged and uncharged shots?  The numbers spreadsheet says uncharged heat has dps close to the SMC.
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Posted January 11 2013 - 02:49 PM

DPS in an fps...wait...what?
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Posted January 11 2013 - 02:51 PM

View PostKronguard, on January 11 2013 - 02:49 PM, said:

DPS in an fps...wait...what?

fights last long enough that at times it plays more like an MMO than an fps.  However you see breakdowns of guns, their dps, and spread, on CS:GO threads just the same.

with the flak global cool down, I'm reminded of battlegrounds in WOW at times.

Edited by RentAKnight, January 11 2013 - 02:53 PM.

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Posted January 11 2013 - 02:53 PM

View PostRentAKnight, on January 11 2013 - 02:47 PM, said:

Could you guys do the same thing with the other weapons?  I'm mostly interested in the heat cannon.  Although hitting the timing of the heat perfectly every time is going to be variable.  Could do it with charged and uncharged shots?  The numbers spreadsheet says uncharged heat has dps close to the SMC.
We might do more in the future I am particularly interested in the vulcan spread and at what distance it becomes viable or of equal equivalance to the AR. However these vids are somewhat hard to make as they require the participation of other people in the server and a lot of video editing. Furthermore i expect to see a lot of balancing changes from now all the way into early post release and as soon as 1 variable is changed the entire video becomes irrelevant.

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Oh don't always listen to h0B0. Lol.


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Posted January 11 2013 - 02:55 PM

View Posth0B0, on January 11 2013 - 02:53 PM, said:

View PostRentAKnight, on January 11 2013 - 02:47 PM, said:

Could you guys do the same thing with the other weapons?  I'm mostly interested in the heat cannon.  Although hitting the timing of the heat perfectly every time is going to be variable.  Could do it with charged and uncharged shots?  The numbers spreadsheet says uncharged heat has dps close to the SMC.
We might do more in the future I am particularly interested in the vulcan spread and at what distance it becomes viable or of equal equivalance to the AR. However these vids are somewhat hard to make as they require the participation of other people in the server and a lot of video editing. Furthermore i expect to see a lot of balancing changes from now all the way into early post release and as soon as 1 variable is changed the entire video becomes irrelevant.

mm maybe don't invest as much time as making a nice video.  Just write down the results after a few tests make a nice table to post somewhere.  I know that's kind of what the shared excel spreadsheet is but I think it could be expanded upon by taking into account different ranges like you have.
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Posted January 11 2013 - 03:05 PM

Great video OP, thanks very much!!

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Posted January 11 2013 - 03:38 PM

View Posth0B0, on January 11 2013 - 02:53 PM, said:

View PostRentAKnight, on January 11 2013 - 02:47 PM, said:

Could you guys do the same thing with the other weapons?  I'm mostly interested in the heat cannon.  Although hitting the timing of the heat perfectly every time is going to be variable.  Could do it with charged and uncharged shots?  The numbers spreadsheet says uncharged heat has dps close to the SMC.
We might do more in the future I am particularly interested in the vulcan spread and at what distance it becomes viable or of equal equivalance to the AR. However these vids are somewhat hard to make as they require the participation of other people in the server and a lot of video editing. Furthermore i expect to see a lot of balancing changes from now all the way into early post release and as soon as 1 variable is changed the entire video becomes irrelevant.

I'd love to see a vid on the Vulcan - if you need someone to stand there and be shot let me know!

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Posted January 11 2013 - 03:39 PM

View Postcpl_bradders, on January 11 2013 - 03:38 PM, said:

View Posth0B0, on January 11 2013 - 02:53 PM, said:

View PostRentAKnight, on January 11 2013 - 02:47 PM, said:

Could you guys do the same thing with the other weapons?  I'm mostly interested in the heat cannon.  Although hitting the timing of the heat perfectly every time is going to be variable.  Could do it with charged and uncharged shots?  The numbers spreadsheet says uncharged heat has dps close to the SMC.
We might do more in the future I am particularly interested in the vulcan spread and at what distance it becomes viable or of equal equivalance to the AR. However these vids are somewhat hard to make as they require the participation of other people in the server and a lot of video editing. Furthermore i expect to see a lot of balancing changes from now all the way into early post release and as soon as 1 variable is changed the entire video becomes irrelevant.

I'd love to see a vid on the Vulcan - if you need someone to stand there and be shot let me know! :D

EDIT: video editing is up to you tho :)

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Posted January 11 2013 - 03:43 PM

View PostRentAKnight, on January 11 2013 - 02:55 PM, said:

View Posth0B0, on January 11 2013 - 02:53 PM, said:

View PostRentAKnight, on January 11 2013 - 02:47 PM, said:

Could you guys do the same thing with the other weapons?  I'm mostly interested in the heat cannon.  Although hitting the timing of the heat perfectly every time is going to be variable.  Could do it with charged and uncharged shots?  The numbers spreadsheet says uncharged heat has dps close to the SMC.
We might do more in the future I am particularly interested in the vulcan spread and at what distance it becomes viable or of equal equivalance to the AR. However these vids are somewhat hard to make as they require the participation of other people in the server and a lot of video editing. Furthermore i expect to see a lot of balancing changes from now all the way into early post release and as soon as 1 variable is changed the entire video becomes irrelevant.

mm maybe don't invest as much time as making a nice video.  Just write down the results after a few tests make a nice table to post somewhere.  I know that's kind of what the shared excel spreadsheet is but I think it could be expanded upon by taking into account different ranges like you have.
The spreadsheet can be modified as needed. We've never really done much in the way of range tests besides splash damage, so that's the only reason it isn't there.
I gave h0B0 the permissions to edit the document, but if someone else decides to do the tests and they can give me the data (along with an accurate description of of their testing method) I'd be willing to edit it to accommodate their info (and they will be credited).

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Posted January 11 2013 - 05:17 PM

Would love to see a similar vid comparison between Vulcan and AR at various distances.  In 1080p.  Letterbox format.  With latin subtitles.

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Posted January 11 2013 - 05:39 PM

View PostFoggy, on January 11 2013 - 05:17 PM, said:

Would love to see a similar vid comparison between Vulcan and AR at various distances.  In 1080p.  Letterbox format.  With latin subtitles.
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Oh don't always listen to h0B0. Lol.


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Posted January 11 2013 - 07:12 PM

I for one imagined Umbre and h0b0 being like Captain Mifune here the whole time they were firing at each other:



Roaring Sylvester Stallone style all the way.

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Posted January 11 2013 - 07:14 PM

Well now I'm even more resolute on unlocking the AR for my Bruiser. I pray it will make him more useful.
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Posted January 11 2013 - 07:14 PM

View Posth0B0, on January 11 2013 - 02:53 PM, said:

View PostRentAKnight, on January 11 2013 - 02:47 PM, said:

Could you guys do the same thing with the other weapons?  I'm mostly interested in the heat cannon.  Although hitting the timing of the heat perfectly every time is going to be variable.  Could do it with charged and uncharged shots?  The numbers spreadsheet says uncharged heat has dps close to the SMC.
We might do more in the future I am particularly interested in the vulcan spread and at what distance it becomes viable or of equal equivalance to the AR. However these vids are somewhat hard to make as they require the participation of other people in the server and a lot of video editing. Furthermore i expect to see a lot of balancing changes from now all the way into early post release and as soon as 1 variable is changed the entire video becomes irrelevant.

I would rather enjoy testing Vulcan with you, as it's directly applicable to my personal interests. Please let me know if you need a pincushion to shoot at.

Additionally, I would love to see a flak vs heat test, particularly for effective range comparisons of the burst primaries.

Edited by Conquistador, January 11 2013 - 07:18 PM.

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Posted January 11 2013 - 07:17 PM

Eh still with AR...
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