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#1 XV8_TecDragon

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Posted February 07 2014 - 08:13 AM

I am an adult and a paying contributor to the game, not a kid or a twitch gamer that loves how this game has now become like all the other fps's. I can hear them now

Bang, bang - Your Dead (giggle) bang bang - I'm dead (wtf) rinse and repeat.

The thing I loved about Hawken is that if you were decent you could survive whole matches, be 1st or 2nd and enjoy the strategic gameplay that is TDM, Siege, and Missle Assualt.

I am trying to get used to the patch but I forsee me failing.  I can still have decent games, but I get to stare at the spawn screen quite a bit too.

Yeah, I probably suck my MMR always floated 14-16, but I had my share of epic moments.  Made lots of friends, enjoyed the game and contributed financially.

I think you failed with this patch, I think you tried to cater to the unclaimed clientele on steam and left your base behind.

Also as the game progresses through BETA you seem to just be continuing to dumb down the game.

Just my two cents.  Flame away, I won't respond.

Edited by XV8_TecDragon, February 07 2014 - 08:16 AM.

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#2 EliteShooter

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Posted February 07 2014 - 08:20 AM

View PostXV8_TecDragon, on February 07 2014 - 08:13 AM, said:

Just my two cents.  Flame away, I won't respond.

I can understand the frustration sir ! but ... it's never late to be re-balanced , the devs proved to us through multiple changes that they do care about their playerbase , and ... I have a stong faith that they won't fail us ...











Else , DDOS !!!!! FTWWWWWWWW

Edited by EliteShooter, February 07 2014 - 08:21 AM.

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Posted February 07 2014 - 08:22 AM

THIS

ALL OF MY THIS.

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Posted February 07 2014 - 08:25 AM

View PostXV8_TecDragon, on February 07 2014 - 08:13 AM, said:

I am an adult and a paying contributor to the game, not a kid or a twitch gamer that loves how this game has now become like all the other fps's.

View PostXV8_TecDragon, on February 07 2014 - 08:13 AM, said:

how this game has now become like all the other fps's.

View PostXV8_TecDragon, on February 07 2014 - 08:13 AM, said:

like all the other fps's.
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Posted February 07 2014 - 08:30 AM

View PostXV8_TecDragon, on February 07 2014 - 08:13 AM, said:

I am an adult and a paying contributor to the game, not a kid or a twitch gamer that loves how this game has now become like all the other fps's. I can hear them now

Bang, bang - Your Dead (giggle) bang bang - I'm dead (wtf) rinse and repeat.

The thing I loved about Hawken is that if you were decent you could survive whole matches, be 1st or 2nd and enjoy the strategic gameplay that is TDM, Siege, and Missle Assualt.

I am trying to get used to the patch but I forsee me failing.  I can still have decent games, but I get to stare at the spawn screen quite a bit too.

Yeah, I probably suck my MMR always floated 14-16, but I had my share of epic moments.  Made lots of friends, enjoyed the game and contributed financially.

I think you failed with this patch, I think you tried to cater to the unclaimed clientele on steam and left your base behind.

Also as the game progresses through BETA you seem to just be continuing to dumb down the game.

Just my two cents.  Flame away, I won't respond.
totally agreed. mmr doesnt matter.
its about plastic toy robots now. and its totally a step away from adult audience (well, game goes to steam).
I will be gathering real ingame player feedback and will post soon.

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Posted February 07 2014 - 08:39 AM

There's been numerous reasoned responses to the criticisms you bring up. Since you won't read anything else posted here (disagreement = flaming?) I'll just let you go look them up.

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Posted February 07 2014 - 08:58 AM

View PostHocisern, on February 07 2014 - 08:39 AM, said:

There's been numerous reasoned responses to the criticisms you bring up. Since you won't read anything else posted here (disagreement = flaming?) I'll just let you go look them up.
there has been numerous reasoned responsed to that "responses". since you dont want to accept them you can play a good cop and just imply that OP (and other people who disagree) is (are) just inattentive and narrowminded.

Edited by irish_00, February 07 2014 - 08:59 AM.


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Posted February 07 2014 - 09:10 AM

View Postirish_00, on February 07 2014 - 08:58 AM, said:

View PostHocisern, on February 07 2014 - 08:39 AM, said:

There's been numerous reasoned responses to the criticisms you bring up. Since you won't read anything else posted here (disagreement = flaming?) I'll just let you go look them up.
there has been numerous reasoned responsed to that "responses". since you dont want to accept them you can play a good cop and just imply that OP (and other people who disagree) is (are) just inattentive and narrowminded.

How are we supposed to 'accept' wildly inaccurate, baseless hyperbolic opinions of perception?
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Posted February 07 2014 - 09:10 AM

I feel the same way as OP.
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Posted February 07 2014 - 09:23 AM

People can disagree, there is nothing wrong with that but for those that say they're now dying instantly may I suggest a different approach. The next time you die in a match, think to yourself "ok shoot, how can I avoid getting into that situation next time". Matches I've been playing still have that HAWKEN dance but if for a few spawns I'm dying quicker it's usually my own fault.

If you can, give the changes a few days to get used to what's different. With each life, think about how you died the last time and what you can do to avoid that.

Example: Last night I got smoked brutally by a SS. Guess what, I didn't run out into that area again, avoided it and made the decision between going after him, attempting to flank (or spawning with a SS myself) or be careful out there knowing he exists where he is, avoiding that open area as I attempted to rack up more kills, hugging the walls, using cover where I could, looking for other mechs as a light class that I could quickly get the jump on someone who was by themselves and wouldn't be expecting me. When playing as a light, I know that if I'm in an encounter that's looking messy, even if a 3v3 conflict in a particular area most likely I will die no matter what. And I should die for thinking I could survive something like that.

If you simply run into battle again and again you will die more than you ever have... It's just anecdotal of course but just pause for a minute, regardless of which mech you choose, regardless of the map, regardless of the mode and think about adjusting to not do what you just did and play to what's needed now.

EDIT: sorry, typed this fast on my phone and didn't focus on grammar or punctuation like I usually try to, lol. Forgive.

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Posted February 07 2014 - 09:25 AM

Learn not to Yolo: All your problems solved.

I have been averaging 9 kills to 1 death on this new patch. And no I am not running either hellfires or a sniper to get those numbers

I have just been doing this crazy thing called ADAPTING TO THE GAME

Some help for the A's still having troubles
1) Don't dive into 3 people - OK fred but those Fuzzy bunny (insert campy class here) keep killing me?
2) Stay in cover with your team, not ON your team(splash sucks and you leg humping can get somebody killed), but within 30-40 meters and you will be an asset and not a flaming ball of scrap- But Fred that A class ran away with so little Hp!
3) good for him, Let YOUR teams campy fuzzy bunnies kill him. Your new job is to wait for the enemy to ALL be low and move in for the cleanup.-But FRED I WANT THE KILLS
4) that's fine little A, but there is something called evolution and roles to play in a game, you are clean up guy, not dive in Yolo Guy. So protect your B's and C's and you will get kills and when the enemy is nice and kicked in you can go slamming in and get the triple you so greatly desire-BUTBUTBUT I USED TO be able to 1v3
5) exactly why things changed silly A, that fuzzy bunny was broke and never planned. Deal with it an evolve or GTFO


Tl;Dr Grow up and evolve or leave, means I have better games and less QQ

If you see something acting wrong(reference hellfires being able to roll 390* now or the Sabot doing a ridiculous damage, report it in the bug reports section and the hwk dev's will fix it as they already have been. This is a BETA. TEST THE GAME AND PRODUCE FEEDBACK. Everybody will have a better day.

Edit: spelling.

Edited by LordTemujin, February 07 2014 - 09:27 AM.

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Posted February 07 2014 - 09:31 AM

View PostEliteShooter, on February 07 2014 - 08:20 AM, said:

View PostXV8_TecDragon, on February 07 2014 - 08:13 AM, said:

Just my two cents.  Flame away, I won't respond.

I can understand the frustration sir ! but ... it's never late to be re-balanced , the devs proved to us through multiple changes that they do care about their playerbase , and ... I have a stong faith that they won't fail us ...











Else , DDOS !!!!! FTWWWWWWWW

Hope they dont do this the oposite way as in the patch hahaha and next hotfix add 2000hp on every mech.run from extreme to another.

Good day

Edited by palad1ne, February 07 2014 - 09:31 AM.


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Posted February 07 2014 - 09:32 AM

However- I will make a caveat, they have broken siege. Literally...because the AA and the base D against the ship doesn't work.

So yay! just made this thread actually have logic applied because for whatever reason they HAVE ruined siege right now.
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Posted February 07 2014 - 09:34 AM

View Postirish_00, on February 07 2014 - 08:30 AM, said:

View PostXV8_TecDragon, on February 07 2014 - 08:13 AM, said:

I am an adult and a paying contributor to the game, not a kid or a twitch gamer that loves how this game has now become like all the other fps's. I can hear them now

Bang, bang - Your Dead (giggle) bang bang - I'm dead (wtf) rinse and repeat.

The thing I loved about Hawken is that if you were decent you could survive whole matches, be 1st or 2nd and enjoy the strategic gameplay that is TDM, Siege, and Missle Assualt.

I am trying to get used to the patch but I forsee me failing.  I can still have decent games, but I get to stare at the spawn screen quite a bit too.

Yeah, I probably suck my MMR always floated 14-16, but I had my share of epic moments.  Made lots of friends, enjoyed the game and contributed financially.

I think you failed with this patch, I think you tried to cater to the unclaimed clientele on steam and left your base behind.

Also as the game progresses through BETA you seem to just be continuing to dumb down the game.

Just my two cents.  Flame away, I won't respond.
totally agreed. mmr doesnt matter.
its about plastic toy robots now. and its totally a step away from adult audience (well, game goes to steam).
I will be gathering real ingame player feedback and will post soon.

MMR does matter. More then before. For some people so much that the servers are full of smurf accounts where highrated players preserve precious MmR while adapting the new game ttk style. Never seen so much topskilled beginners in whole HAWKEN history xD

Good day

Edited by palad1ne, February 07 2014 - 09:35 AM.


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Posted February 07 2014 - 09:47 AM

Let's be honest: what Hawken basically did was make average of mechs more faster and more fragile (there are bouncy crickets with thin bark that explode when someone throws a rock in them). If you want to add Tactics in this game, just create REAL armor that reduces damage and weakspots that increase the damage. It's not as necessary to create destructible modules at the moment, but for God's sake stop making the game much faster to move as die and say that because of that he will be "tactical" and require smart decisions (is wrong). This is not tactical; it's just reflex.

Edited by Mergaz, February 07 2014 - 10:03 AM.


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Posted February 07 2014 - 09:48 AM

View PostBeefsweat, on February 07 2014 - 09:10 AM, said:

View Postirish_00, on February 07 2014 - 08:58 AM, said:

View PostHocisern, on February 07 2014 - 08:39 AM, said:

There's been numerous reasoned responses to the criticisms you bring up. Since you won't read anything else posted here (disagreement = flaming?) I'll just let you go look them up.
there has been numerous reasoned responsed to that "responses". since you dont want to accept them you can play a good cop and just imply that OP (and other people who disagree) is (are) just inattentive and narrowminded.

How are we supposed to 'accept' wildly inaccurate, baseless hyperbolic opinions of perception?
quote. and lets discuss.
otherwise stop using humiliation as argument.

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Posted February 07 2014 - 09:54 AM

View Post[HWK]HUGHES, on February 07 2014 - 09:23 AM, said:

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I am sorry, but advices to be more careful simply doesnt help anymore.
you had to be very careful pre-patch. now you get slight dmg and you have to RUN like a hunted bunny.
be more tactical? there is no tactics when u just die. there was tactics before: dodging, escaping, maneuvering.
now fights are decided by 1st shot, especially unexpected. teen audience might like it. steam audience might.

but there is nothing competitive about INSTAKILL. survivability was the factor that separated hawken from simple stupid shooters.

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Posted February 07 2014 - 09:58 AM

Hot fixes are happening, the full patch notes are being released today (supposedly) and not everyone has their key yet so there is no chance of the meta evolving and settling for at least a while.  Not all the pieces of the puzzle are in place, so maybe just wait and see? In the mean time go and play something else if you're not happy and come back and check what's going on once in a while.  
People will make up their own minds, the best thing anyone can do if they want to keep playing and enjoying Hawken is to make suggestions, these suggestions will have more weight and value to the devs if they are based off playing the game for more than a couple of hours and when the whole actual Feb Patch has been released.
It only stands to reason that the devs will listen more closely after the keys and Steam stuff has been sorted, anything now is fairly kneejerk.

TL;DR: The game is in a transitional period, this isn't necessarily what Hawken 1.0 will look like.  If you want your voice heard and your opinion to matter then make what you're saying to the devs valuable in some way, and ideally wait for the whole picture before forming and voicing too many opinions.

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Posted February 07 2014 - 10:00 AM

View PostDennisKnightPC, on February 07 2014 - 09:58 AM, said:

Hot fixes are happening, the full patch notes are being released today (supposedly) and not everyone has their key yet so there is no chance of the meta evolving and settling for at least a while.  Not all the pieces of the puzzle are in place, so maybe just wait and see? In the mean time go and play something else if you're not happy and come back and check what's going on once in a while.  
People will make up their own minds, the best thing anyone can do if they want to keep playing and enjoying Hawken is to make suggestions, these suggestions will have more weight and value to the devs if they are based off playing the game for more than a couple of hours and when the whole actual Feb Patch has been released.
It only stands to reason that the devs will listen more closely after the keys and Steam stuff has been sorted, anything now is fairly kneejerk.

TL;DR: The game is in a transitional period, this isn't necessarily what Hawken 1.0 will look like.  If you want your voice heard and your opinion to matter then make what you're saying to the devs valuable in some way, and ideally wait for the whole picture before forming and voicing too many opinions.
Someone tried to reassure the player base using this same type of post when ascension was released...

Edited by Mergaz, February 07 2014 - 10:02 AM.


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Posted February 07 2014 - 10:02 AM

You'll get better with practice, I gaurantee it.

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