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#1 AsianJoyKiller

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Posted March 15 2013 - 11:35 AM

Sure feels like it.
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If you look at only servers in my region (East), it gets even worse.

Yes, I understand we want to give newbies a change, but this is unacceptable. I should not be forced to play a gametype I don't like or sit around and hope someone joins an empty high-skill server just because I am "too good".

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AJK is right

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#2 AUTOAL

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Posted March 15 2013 - 11:38 AM

almost the same here.
you can join your friends game anyway(unless your friends list is broken)

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Posted March 15 2013 - 11:40 AM

And what about matchmaking?

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Posted March 15 2013 - 11:40 AM

Go to mountains and become a Hawken master. :D
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Posted March 15 2013 - 11:42 AM

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(unless your friends list is broken)
I thought it will be like "(unless you have no friends)" :unsure:

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Posted March 15 2013 - 11:47 AM

I don't get it.  I see 20 people post about how they can't find games in the last two hours.  Why don't you guys try to play with each other???  Once your above 1800 you can join any 1800+ game.

Edited by RentAKnight, March 15 2013 - 11:48 AM.

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Posted March 15 2013 - 11:51 AM

View PostRentAKnight, on March 15 2013 - 11:47 AM, said:

I don't get it.  I see 20 people post about how they can't find games in the last two hours.  Why don't you guys try to play with each other???  Once your above 1800 you can join any 1800+ game.
because ppl from different area have different ping.

View PostTheVulong, on March 15 2013 - 11:42 AM, said:

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(unless your friends list is broken)
I thought it will be like "(unless you have no friends)" :unsure:
the friends list is broken quite often and seems devs never fix this.

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Posted March 15 2013 - 11:52 AM

View PostRentAKnight, on March 15 2013 - 11:47 AM, said:

I don't get it.  I see 20 people post about how they can't find games in the last two hours.  Why don't you guys try to play with each other???  

I mean really, you can't wait 10-30 minutes for a game?  Have you never done PVP in an MMO we all probably played at one point and had to wait for an instance/bg queue to pop?  

Instant gratification is going to be the end of our society.

Edited by burns1124, March 15 2013 - 11:52 AM.


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Posted March 15 2013 - 11:53 AM

View PostRentAKnight, on March 15 2013 - 11:47 AM, said:

I don't get it.  I see 20 people post about how they can't find games in the last two hours.  Why don't you guys try to play with each other???  Once your above 1800 you can join any 1800+ game.

Probably different regions. And it's no fun at all trying to join a game where your ping is 200+.

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Posted March 15 2013 - 11:53 AM

Must* be lonely at the top.

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Posted March 15 2013 - 11:56 AM

View PostThe_Silencer, on March 15 2013 - 11:40 AM, said:

And what about matchmaking?
i believe that if there is no server for a player in server browser, then there is no such server in match making.
(BTW, why i cannot quote your post in my last post in this page? strange....)

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Posted March 15 2013 - 11:58 AM

View PostRentAKnight, on March 15 2013 - 11:47 AM, said:

I don't get it.  I see 20 people post about how they can't find games in the last two hours.  Why don't you guys try to play with each other???  Once your above 1800 you can join any 1800+ game.
Mostly because not all of us are from the same region and we are not playing at the exact same moment.

View PostAUTOAL, on March 15 2013 - 11:51 AM, said:

the friends list is broken quite often and seems devs never fix this.
Just click on the offline icon until it is online again. Playing a match and trying after that also helps based on my experience.

Edited by Houruck, March 15 2013 - 11:59 AM.

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#13 RentAKnight

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Posted March 15 2013 - 11:58 AM

View PostAUTOAL, on March 15 2013 - 11:56 AM, said:

View PostThe_Silencer, on March 15 2013 - 11:40 AM, said:

And what about matchmaking?
i believe that if there is no server for a player in server browser, then there is no such server in match making.
(BTW, why i cannot quote your post in my last post in this page? strange....)

yeah it'l put you into an empty server.  If everyone used MM all the lonely people would get put into the same server.
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Posted March 15 2013 - 12:01 PM

View Postburns1124, on March 15 2013 - 11:52 AM, said:

View PostRentAKnight, on March 15 2013 - 11:47 AM, said:

I don't get it.  I see 20 people post about how they can't find games in the last two hours.  Why don't you guys try to play with each other???  

I mean really, you can't wait 10-30 minutes for a game?  Have you never done PVP in an MMO we all probably played at one point and had to wait for an instance/bg queue to pop?  

Instant gratification is going to be the end of our society.

Yes instant gratification is the one that makes newcomers complain from higher skill levels too, i dont mind taking time and a beating when i get into a new game that has had time and there are plenty of experienced players, its part of the learning process and believe it or not its a very good entertaining way to learn a game.

cant wait 30 min for a game?, how can that be so unbelievable as implied, i sometimes truly make a little spot on the day to play the game, sometimes its actually 2 rounds so by the time proposed of wait, my self assigned play time is over. if there wouldnt be better solutions i wouldnt say peep, but there are way better solutions.

you cant only favor one side of the tier the current state only favors beginner tier and is a dead end. the idea is that more people level up to gain balance, but its going to be a long time without good examples to learn from.

the balance should be within the game itself, current proposal is nerfing medium level players learning opportunities.

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Posted March 15 2013 - 12:02 PM

View Postnokari, on March 15 2013 - 11:53 AM, said:

View PostRentAKnight, on March 15 2013 - 11:47 AM, said:

I don't get it.  I see 20 people post about how they can't find games in the last two hours.  Why don't you guys try to play with each other???  Once your above 1800 you can join any 1800+ game.

Probably different regions. And it's no fun at all trying to join a game where your ping is 200+.
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Seriously 200 of ping for me is a miracle.

Edited by Gree, March 15 2013 - 12:04 PM.


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Posted March 15 2013 - 12:03 PM

I feel ya ajk.

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Posted March 15 2013 - 12:03 PM

View PostTheVulong, on March 15 2013 - 11:40 AM, said:

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Posted March 15 2013 - 12:07 PM

View PostGree, on March 15 2013 - 12:02 PM, said:

View Postnokari, on March 15 2013 - 11:53 AM, said:

View PostRentAKnight, on March 15 2013 - 11:47 AM, said:

I don't get it.  I see 20 people post about how they can't find games in the last two hours.  Why don't you guys try to play with each other???  Once your above 1800 you can join any 1800+ game.

Probably different regions. And it's no fun at all trying to join a game where your ping is 200+.
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Seriously 200 of ping for me is a miracle.

LOL awesome pic.

But more seriously, last night when I got online I found a lovely game of 2000+ MMR players.  I played 4 matches in a row and the server stayed full.  Just wait till prime time.  I'm sorry you can't play with newbies anymore, but I think it is for the best.
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Posted March 15 2013 - 12:07 PM

Being required to prime an empty server every time I wish to play should not be the curse of being better than the majority. I did enough of that as a server admin. It's boring and frustrating, and unless you play DM, you can't even do things like explore the map or practice skills (you'll just be stuck at the lobby screen).

If I have an hour to play before work, I don't want to spend half or 3/4 of that time trying to get a game going.

Joining on friends is just circumventing the problem, and often leads to stomping.

Using IRC or scrims is also just circumventing the problem.

Using a smurf account is just circumventing the problem.

MMR has introduced a significant skill ceiling into the game. Tightening the skill gap has exacerbated that problem.

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Posted March 15 2013 - 12:11 PM

"AJK was kicked by the server browser (2gd4HWK)"

View Postburns1124, on March 15 2013 - 11:52 AM, said:

I mean really, you can't wait 10-30 minutes for a game?  Have you never done PVP in an MMO we all probably played at one point and had to wait for an instance/bg queue to pop?  

Instant gratification is going to be the end of our society.
1. This is not an MMO. There is nothing to occupy time with other than staring at a screen that is telling you all about how it'll find you a match someday, or through staring at a server browser pressing the local equivalent of F5 until the digital representation of the refresh button offs itself to stop the harassment
2. 10-30 minutes is a stupid amount of time to wait for a game that only has PvP

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Except it's not even about playing against newbies, it's about the fact that you've got people with the time to (intentionally or otherwise) farm MMR, and you have people who don't, or who just don't play Hawken that much, which leaves you with an excessively small pool for the top end (and could potentially do the same for the bottom)
It also doesnt stop people from stomping newbies. They just have to have a friend online in a lower bracket (and a friends list that works, which I suppose is something of a barrier)
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