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#1 Tomino_sama

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Posted February 07 2013 - 04:00 PM

After a month and a bit of Open Beta - I am still Hawken.

Many people complain of being Stomped by Stacked teams etc. There is a solution!

1. Play to Have fun <- most important!

2. Stay in your matches to the end

3. Make Friends

4. Talk to the good players and add them to your Friends list

5. Buy a mic and Join Public Voice Channels and play with people there.

6. Join a Clan or Band with your new Hawken Friends

You will find you have a better chance playing the Team modes (TDM,MA,Siege) if you are on Voice with as many friends on your team as possible.

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Posted February 07 2013 - 04:04 PM

Excellent advice :)

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Posted February 07 2013 - 04:12 PM

How to win in Hawken:

Step 1: Get roflstomped until you have enough HP to buy a SCOUT.

Step 2: Buy a SCOUT.

Step 3: Place #1 on the scoreboard in every match you play.

Edited by Keiichi81, February 07 2013 - 04:12 PM.


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Posted February 07 2013 - 04:14 PM

View PostTomino_sama, on February 07 2013 - 04:00 PM, said:

1. Play to Have fun <- most important!
2. Stay in your matches to the end
Many would say these are contradictory points.

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Posted February 07 2013 - 04:15 PM

View PostTomino_sama, on February 07 2013 - 04:00 PM, said:

After a month and a bit of Open Beta - I am still Hawken.

Many people complain of being Stomped by Stacked teams etc. There is a solution!

1. Play to Have fun <- most important!

2. Stay in your matches to the end

3. Make Friends

4. Talk to the good players and add them to your Friends list

5. Buy a mic and Join Public Voice Channels and play with people there.

6. Join a Clan or Band with your new Hawken Friends

You will find you have a better chance playing the Team modes (TDM,MA,Siege) if you are on Voice with as many friends on your team as possible.

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#6 Tomino_sama

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Posted February 07 2013 - 04:22 PM

View PostKeiichi81, on February 07 2013 - 04:12 PM, said:

How to win in Hawken:

Step 1: Get roflstomped until you have enough HP to buy a SCOUT.

Step 2: Buy a SCOUT.

Step 3: Place #1 on the scoreboard in every match you play.


If Scout is OP this week, by next month it will be something else. So if you just ranked up your scout, look forward to ranking up the next "OP Mech"

If you could imagine the current balancing is like Rock-paper-Scissors - there are only 12 Mechs, with another 10 on the way. So soon it will be more like Rock-paper-scissors-lizard-spock. I look forward to the first Weapon that is Buffed following an OB Nerf with Glee.

"Oh if only we had not Nerfed X - it would be really handy against this new OP weapon"
(where X is a weapon/item or mech)

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View PostTomino_sama, on February 07 2013 - 04:00 PM, said:

1. Play to Have fun <- most important!
2. Stay in your matches to the end
Many would say these are contradictory points.

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AND

DO NOT

RAGE QUIT


lol man :) I have fun in Hawken even with a 1/20 or worse. The Journey is the reward, not the scoreboard :D
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Posted February 07 2013 - 04:34 PM

View PostTomino_sama, on February 07 2013 - 04:22 PM, said:

So soon it will be more like Rock-paper-scissors-lizard-spock.
Indeed.

View PostTomino_sama, on February 07 2013 - 04:22 PM, said:

lol man :) I have fun in Hawken even with a 1/20 or worse. The Journey is the reward, not the scoreboard :D
I know, this is also true for me. I only shared the general uptake.

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Posted February 08 2013 - 08:04 AM

Here's some real advice to avoid getting stomped.

1.) Matchmaker is borked, but try to find a game where scores look evenly distributed. This generally means kills are being distrubuted about evenly and the match is close to being fair. If you're really new, find a game where one dude is really kicking ass and join that team. This is considered team-stacking and is often viewed as negative, but as a noob it'll help you live longer while providing catch-up kills for the team thats getting stomped out by Zeshi/AJK.

2.) Never go off alone, roam in packs, and copy teammates. If they aren't boosting DO NOT BOOST, as it gives away spot on radar. If they are boosting, keep up.

3.) Always keep an eye on radar to make sure you're not running into reinforcements or a flank ambush.

4.) For the love of God, jump SPARRINGLY, if at all, in duels. The brief advantage you get from going airborne is useless once your opponent adjusts aim.

5.) Communicate, in-game voice chat works well, but reading and asking questions in forums is useful too. TBH, half my work day is me killing time, so gimme something to do and ask questions.


If anyone wants some tutoring, PM or add me as a friend and I'll gladly depart some of my knowledge.
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Posted February 08 2013 - 08:49 AM

View PostTomino_sama, on February 07 2013 - 04:22 PM, said:

The Journey is the reward, not the scoreboard :D

This.  Last night we were in a game where our team had 6 players and the other team had 5, and it was already 20-2 in our favor, within a couple of minutes of playing.  I swapped sides and tried to bring the other team back from the dead, and we lost 30-42 but it was really fun.  I lose a lot of games that way, but it's really fun trying to turn the tide.  I don't care about my W/L, just want a dynamic game...

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Posted February 08 2013 - 08:50 AM

View PostOwngasm, on February 08 2013 - 08:04 AM, said:

Here's some real advice to avoid getting stomped.

1.) Matchmaker is borked, but try to find a game

I'v been having a lot of trouble just doing this part of your suggestion during lunch time in eastern time zone.  Mostly get empty matches.  I had to defend Hawken to a new player last week as we two sat in the team area waiting for more people to join.  He wasn't able to find games when he was available to play and was thinking of kicking this great game to the curb.
I usually find myself having to play west servers with higher ping to get into a game.  We need MM quick which will help draw/keep more players.

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Posted February 08 2013 - 09:09 AM

View PostObelix, on February 08 2013 - 08:50 AM, said:

View PostOwngasm, on February 08 2013 - 08:04 AM, said:

Here's some real advice to avoid getting stomped.

1.) Matchmaker is borked, but try to find a game

I'v been having a lot of trouble just doing this part of your suggestion during lunch time in eastern time zone.  Mostly get empty matches.  I had to defend Hawken to a new player last week as we two sat in the team area waiting for more people to join.  He wasn't able to find games when he was available to play and was thinking of kicking this great game to the curb.
I usually find myself having to play west servers with higher ping to get into a game.  We need MM quick which will help draw/keep more players.
I took a break before the reaper patch came out and before 90% of the games were full. Now for some reason 90% (exaggerating) of the matches are empty or 2v2. I cannot believe that in the 1 week that I took off we lost that many people which leads me to believe that they tried to silence the crys of MM and broke it. BUUUT on topic I 100% agree with Tomino.

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Posted February 08 2013 - 09:36 AM

How not to get roflstomped:

1. Check your radar. Go in the direction of your team, hopefully you all are clustered together.
2. Watch for red blips. When you see one, press Q to alert your team to go in that direction.
3. Move and shoot. Dodge and shoot. Use cover. Watch your heat. Watch your armor. Check your radar for flanking positions.
4. Repair if you need to (behind cover and behind your team). Press Z to alert your team to provide cover fire.
5. If you live, repeat steps 2 to 4.
6. If you die, go back to step 1.
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Posted February 08 2013 - 09:59 AM

View PostTomino_sama, on February 07 2013 - 04:00 PM, said:

1. Play to Have fun <- most important!
This literally does nothing to solve a roflstomp. Being roflstomped is inherently not fun for most people who get stomped.

Telling people do have fun when when circumstances are actively preventing them from having fun is just... silly (not the word I want to use, but I'm trying to be diplomatic here).

You might as well tell a person who is upset at being punched in the face, that in order to enjoy it more, they should just be happy about being punched in the face. It's rather unlikely that the advice will help, because being punched in the face is an unpleasant experience.

You can't tell people to enjoy an unenjoyable experience. That just doesn't work.

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2. Stay in your matches to the end
This is actually opposite of advice you should be giving if people don't want to be roflstomped. If a match is heavily weighted in the favor of the enemy team, staying in the match won't make a difference. In fact, if you leave the match early (something that I do not promote. I hate ragequitters), it's more likely that you won't get roflstomped because you are not present to receive said stomping.

The rest is decent advice.

Edited by AsianJoyKiller, February 08 2013 - 02:06 PM.

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AJK is right

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Posted February 08 2013 - 10:23 AM

View PostAsianJoyKiller, on February 08 2013 - 09:59 AM, said:

View PostTomino_sama, on February 07 2013 - 04:00 PM, said:

1. Play to Have fun <- most important!
This literally does nothing to solve a roflstomp. Being roflstomped is inherently not fun for most people who get stomped.

Telling people do have fun when when circumstances are actively preventing them from having fun is just... silly (not the word I want to use, but I'm trying to be diplomatic here).

You mind as well tell a person who is upset at being punched in the face, that in order to enjoy it more, they should just be happy about being punched in the face. It's rather unlikely that the advice will help, because being punched in the face is an unpleasant experience.

You can't tell people to enjoy an unenjoyable experience. That just doesn't work.

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2. Stay in your matches to the end
This is actually opposite of advice you should be giving if people don't want to be roflstomped. If a match is heavily weighted in the favor of the enemy team, staying in the match won't make a difference. In fact, if you leave the match early (something that I do not promote. I hate ragequitters), it's more likely that you won't get roflstomped because you are not present to receive said stomping.

The rest is decent advice.

Thanks for agreeing with the rest AJK :D

The reason i think it is important to have fun is that you relax, when getting beating frustration makes you do silly things and this can put off your game. If you remember to have fun, the challenge is as exiting when losing. You could call this a philosophical point and so not everyone can take losing.

The reason it is important to play the match out in full is this:

By losing you may allow a better player in, however at this point this does not happen and unless we get a White Knight Switch teams, as soon as more than one drops off a Team the game is over, regardless how stronk the remaining Pilots are.

As I play to have fun, I will only use my high level mech if the enemy teams is doing the same. If they have no High level Mechs I try to play with one that is closer to theirs.

You must have played Siege at least once and seen this imbalance occuring. It happens on other gametypes but it hits Siege hard.

If everyone stayed their would at least be a chance..


Also I respect a Pilot who stays in a Losing match more than someone who drops out before the end. That leads to the rest of my points in the OP

:D

EDIT: Incidentally I get punched in the Face every week. We all enjoy it thoroughly. I Even pay membership to the Club for this. There are many people who do enjoy being punched in the face, after all the world caters to all tastes. Of Course this is a learning experience with the Goal being to not get punched in the face, however in training this does happen, and as such I find it considerably more enjoyable now than when I was a newbie.

strange parallel there :D

Edited by Tomino_sama, February 08 2013 - 10:29 AM.

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Posted February 08 2013 - 10:30 AM

@asianjoykiller
Yeah right, mister "i'm a pro, i know everything" will show everybody the way :)
The real problem with people quitting games are players like you and nothing else.
If i enter a game and i don't die within the 10 frags im out of there and let the guys have fun
But people like you will stay there to capture some nice killstreak video because you feel how weak the players are
and know that they are probably not able to kill you.  Everybody knows that.
Then you come here on the forum bragging about that nice little game you had with a screenshot to prove you did it.
So, don't you think people are frustrated because they see their name on that scoreboard?  Isn't that also "Calling out a player"?
The next time they will see you in a game, they will automaticaly quit.
Before giving advise or correcting someone else think twice.
And yes, people sould play games to have fun and not quit a game, but hang in there no matter what the situation is.

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Posted February 08 2013 - 10:51 AM

View PostOnebullit, on February 08 2013 - 10:30 AM, said:

lotsa butthurt

You sir, are mad.  Why would you leave a game and forfeit exp just beacause there are pilots of a lower skill than yourself, that's self defeating.  

I keep some low level mechs in my garage to use for situations like this.  If I feel like I'm rolling a bunch of rookie pilots, then I'll hop on a lvl 5 brawler and let them shoot big nasty a bit before crushing them underfoot.

I also play in scrims with some of the best players in the game at the moment, and get absolutely destroyed, and feel humbled.

People like AJK are working to INCREASE AWARENESS OF HAWKEN, AND LEGITIMIZE IT AS A COMPETITIVE ESPORT.  If he makes youtube videos of getting penta kills and going 45-0 in DM, that will only help to increase the likelihood that other people who don't know the game even exists will see it, try it out and maybe like it.  If some kids that can't take losing an internet mech shooting game then they probably shouldn't try to play them.

Before critisizing and demonizing someone who spends a TON of time trying to make this game better and the community more informed, just think at all, because twice is asking a lot of you.

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Posted February 08 2013 - 10:59 AM

View PostAsianJoyKiller, on February 08 2013 - 09:59 AM, said:

View PostTomino_sama, on February 07 2013 - 04:00 PM, said:

1. Play to Have fun <- most important!
This literally does nothing to solve a roflstomp. Being roflstomped is inherently not fun for most people who get stomped.

Telling people do have fun when when circumstances are actively preventing them from having fun is just... silly (not the word I want to use, but I'm trying to be diplomatic here).

You mind as well tell a person who is upset at being punched in the face, that in order to enjoy it more, they should just be happy about being punched in the face. It's rather unlikely that the advice will help, because being punched in the face is an unpleasant experience.

You can't tell people to enjoy an unenjoyable experience. That just doesn't work.

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2. Stay in your matches to the end
This is actually opposite of advice you should be giving if people don't want to be roflstomped. If a match is heavily weighted in the favor of the enemy team, staying in the match won't make a difference. In fact, if you leave the match early (something that I do not promote. I hate ragequitters), it's more likely that you won't get roflstomped because you are not present to receive said stomping.

The rest is decent advice.

first reminding people to play for fun isn't about stomping roflstomp and if you really thought it was or took it that way you need to pause and rethink.
Its a mindset and just having a friendly reminder to make players realize yo its not the end of the world can get them off the Elite train their on and relax a little and make said roflstomp not seem so bad.

again its a mindset.


And telling people to leave so they don't get stomped is ignorant. If everyone you begin to lose or not do well you leave then you learn othing, and gain no advancement in how to play. This isn't a game that playing scrubs every game will help you learn technique or skill. I know what you are trying to say but if they can't handle losing then online gaming isn't for them and thats the bigger issue rather than the game.

my opinion , don't have to agree or care.
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Posted February 08 2013 - 11:04 AM

View PostWarPig, on February 08 2013 - 10:59 AM, said:

first reminding people to play for fun isn't about stomping roflstomp and if you really thought it was or took it that way you need to pause and rethink.
Its a mindset and just having a friendly reminder to make players realize yo its not the end of the world can get them off the Elite train their on and relax a little and make said roflstomp not seem so bad.

again its a mindset.


And telling people to leave so they don't get stomped is ignorant. If everyone you begin to lose or not do well you leave then you learn othing, and gain no advancement in how to play. This isn't a game that playing scrubs every game will help you learn technique or skill. I know what you are trying to say but if they can't handle losing then online gaming isn't for them and thats the bigger issue rather than the game.

my opinion , don't have to agree or care.

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Posted February 08 2013 - 11:06 AM

View Postburns1124, on February 08 2013 - 10:51 AM, said:

View PostOnebullit, on February 08 2013 - 10:30 AM, said:

lotsa butthurt

You sir, are mad.  Why would you leave a game and forfeit exp just beacause there are pilots of a lower skill than yourself, that's self defeating.  


onebuilt supported staying in the round to the end, in his post you quoted and snipped.
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Posted February 08 2013 - 11:08 AM

View Postburns1124, on February 08 2013 - 10:51 AM, said:

View PostOnebullit, on February 08 2013 - 10:30 AM, said:

lotsa butthurt

You sir, are mad.  Why would you leave a game and forfeit exp just beacause there are pilots of a lower skill than yourself, that's self defeating.  

I keep some low level mechs in my garage to use for situations like this.  If I feel like I'm rolling a bunch of rookie pilots, then I'll hop on a lvl 5 brawler and let them shoot big nasty a bit before crushing them underfoot.

I also play in scrims with some of the best players in the game at the moment, and get absolutely destroyed, and feel humbled.

People like AJK are working to INCREASE AWARENESS OF HAWKEN, AND LEGITIMIZE IT AS A COMPETITIVE ESPORT.  If he makes youtube videos of getting penta kills and going 45-0 in DM, that will only help to increase the likelihood that other people who don't know the game even exists will see it, try it out and maybe like it.  If some kids that can't take losing an internet mech shooting game then they probably shouldn't try to play them.

Before critisizing and demonizing someone who spends a TON of time trying to make this game better and the community more informed, just think at all, because twice is asking a lot of you.

Ahahaha ....
What would be the point of staying in a game where the players can't even turn properly or aim at you ....i know most of you people like newbies.
A good FPS player can play with a lvl 1 mech without any problem, so whats your point??
Don't just protect your buddies because you feel bad for them, they can talk for them selves (i hope)

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