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#1 LuxAngel7

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Posted April 30 2014 - 08:20 PM

I recently bought a decent amount of MC because I have been enjoying the game and felt like the devs deserved my support. (and I wanted to buy shiny paints etc)

However, I find myself completely unwilling to buy mech customization parts due to their "per mech" nature.

I have never played a game where I have to repurchase the same digital item over and over and over again just to equip it on all the characters I like to use.

The concept seems patently ridiculous to me. On principle alone I am not going to spend around 10$ on the same repair drone every time I want to customize a mech I like.

Please dear devs, please consider making mech customization options universal purchases.

I want to throw my money at you, but I want to do so because I am buying new and exciting additions to your digital content within the game.

...not because there is an arbitrary limit to how I can use a digital product I buy.


I hope this doesn't sound arrogant, but I work in marketing for the 2nd largest logistics company in the world, and I would be happy to provide a free analysis via PM/email, w/e demonstrating why this current concept is actually hurting your total profit potential, instead of helping it. Having some numbers to work with would make it even more thorough, but I can provide clear and documented proof on a conceptual basis as well.  

I really, really really hope you consider this request, becuase I am currently conflicted with two emtions, one being "get ALL the mechs/weapons/ etc for this sweet game!!!" and the other being "oh my **** lord to customize them I have to buy the parts every time??? paaaasss"

Thank you for everything and I really hope my offer to help with this issue didn't come across as arrogant or rude.

P.S.- I'd be happy to provide a resume so you know I'm not just one of those "I have 27 MBA's!!" people on the internet.

Edit: I don't know if any devs are actually reading this, and I'm not so arrogant to think that the decision to make thrusters and repair drones global was made solely because of my request, but I would like to say a heartfelt "THANK YOU VERY MUCH" for making thrusters and repair drones global purchases. I think it's a great direction for the dev team to head in and I am confident that the appeal of applying this trend of making items global will become more and more self evident.

THANK YOU!

Edited by LuxAngel7, May 09 2014 - 03:06 PM.


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Posted April 30 2014 - 08:35 PM

Universal? Well it doesn't even make sense to me.  You bought 1 chassis/repair drone, so you equip it on one mech.  How exactly will that transfer to another mech if you only have one? Paint jobs make sense because you can buy a thousand cans of paint and decorate your mech to your fancy because you just have so much damn paint, but universal mech parts? I don't know.

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Posted April 30 2014 - 08:47 PM

View PostSilverfire, on April 30 2014 - 08:35 PM, said:

Universal? Well it doesn't even make sense to me.  You bought 1 chassis/repair drone, so you equip it on one mech.  How exactly will that transfer to another mech if you only have one? Paint jobs make sense because you can buy a thousand cans of paint and decorate your mech to your fancy because you just have so much damn paint, but universal mech parts? I don't know.

/devil'sadvocate

Ok you just gave me a big headache.

So your argument as a devil's advocate is that in your view the in game lore is that we have specific pieces for each mech? And that if I buy a drone for one mech then there's only one so it can't be used on the other mech, even though the mech you bought it for isn't being used???

Dude....just....dude.

Ok how about this:

Don't worry yourself, because you see those guys in your main menu? The ones fidgeting around your mech? They're paid to unequip and re-equip whatever you want on whatever mech you want.

....thousands of paint cans...honestly...good grief.

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Posted April 30 2014 - 08:48 PM

If nothing else, I'm on board for universal thrusters. That'd be really great.

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Posted April 30 2014 - 08:49 PM

Ughh. I already spent like 200 dollars with all the custom parts for my mechs... The cammo change was good. but this?... Damn... to my personal case (And i´m sure for a lot other players) would be awful...

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Posted April 30 2014 - 08:54 PM

View PostEstif, on April 30 2014 - 08:49 PM, said:

Ughh. I already spent like 200 dollars with all the custom parts for my mechs... The cammo change was good. but this?... Damn... to my personal case (And i´m sure for a lot other players) would be awful...

I completely understand where you're coming from, but keep in mind they're already working with people that spend lots of money on paints and now find it all universal.

Wouldn't you be pleased if you had some MC refunded to buy all the new universal parts they will be releasing?

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Posted April 30 2014 - 09:05 PM

I don´t know, sounds kinda reasonable, but unless they find an automatic way to do the corrections and refund of MC, the ammount of personal request and it´s respective analisys will be huge and expensive. Not sure, you´re the expert, don´t make me think ;_;

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Posted April 30 2014 - 09:25 PM

View PostLuxAngel7, on April 30 2014 - 08:54 PM, said:

View PostEstif, on April 30 2014 - 08:49 PM, said:

Ughh. I already spent like 200 dollars with all the custom parts for my mechs... The cammo change was good. but this?... Damn... to my personal case (And i´m sure for a lot other players) would be awful...

I completely understand where you're coming from, but keep in mind they're already working with people that spend lots of money on paints and now find it all universal.

Wouldn't you be pleased if you had some MC refunded to buy all the new universal parts they will be releasing?

I think I remember a dev saying some time back that MC is normally nonrefundable.  I may be mistaken, but it's what I remember from something.

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#9 LuxAngel7

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Posted April 30 2014 - 09:35 PM

View PostEstif, on April 30 2014 - 09:05 PM, said:

I don´t know, sounds kinda reasonable, but unless they find an automatic way to do the corrections and refund of MC, the ammount of personal request and it´s respective analisys will be huge and expensive. Not sure, you´re the expert, don´t make me think ;_;

I've seen other game devs do similar things without it being a crazy burden, but even if they couldn't do that and decide not to refund anything to anyone, both dev and gamer still come out on top. Devs will make more money based on volume of people purchasing, and individual gamers will have to spend less to be able to customize mechs the way they want.

View PostSilverfire, on April 30 2014 - 09:25 PM, said:

View PostLuxAngel7, on April 30 2014 - 08:54 PM, said:

View PostEstif, on April 30 2014 - 08:49 PM, said:

Ughh. I already spent like 200 dollars with all the custom parts for my mechs... The cammo change was good. but this?... Damn... to my personal case (And i´m sure for a lot other players) would be awful...

I completely understand where you're coming from, but keep in mind they're already working with people that spend lots of money on paints and now find it all universal.

Wouldn't you be pleased if you had some MC refunded to buy all the new universal parts they will be releasing?


I think I remember a dev saying some time back that MC is normally nonrefundable.  I may be mistaken, but it's what I remember from something.

Hmm well if that were the case it would be interesting to find out if it's just a policy thing or if it's actually something to do with coding stuff or w/e. I'm no dev, but I highly doubt its the latter.

Especially because over on Warframe, the devs have had to refund real money creds sometimes, and they just patch in a script after compiling the data (that's what they said) and implement it.

But even if they don't decide to do any refunds, it would still be worth it, even to people who have spent money thus far, considering that if until now you've spent for example those 200$, it still means that in the future you will be spending less. (of course the offset is more people will be enticed to spend money)

Edited by LuxAngel7, April 30 2014 - 09:36 PM.


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Posted April 30 2014 - 10:14 PM

View PostSilverfire, on April 30 2014 - 09:25 PM, said:

I think I remember a dev saying some time back that MC is normally nonrefundable.  I may be mistaken, but it's what I remember from something.

It's right in the EULA, MC is nonrefundable unless there's been some kind of serious error that needs to be taken up with the devs/your financial institution.
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Posted April 30 2014 - 10:30 PM

I've played tons of games that don't have universal parts / equipment for things. I would say most games with customization aspects have limited universal customizations and practically all of them are for single character/usage.
For example, I could buy a chest armor piece in SWTOR that can be equipped to my main character or any of my 6 companions, but I only get one of them. I can't buy one armor piece that can be equipped to all 7 characters simultaneously, I'd have to buy 7 if I wanted them all to have the same thing. Why would it work differently here?

Edited by nokari, April 30 2014 - 10:45 PM.

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Posted April 30 2014 - 10:43 PM

View Postnokari, on April 30 2014 - 10:30 PM, said:

I've played tons of games that don't have universal parts / equipment for things. I would say most games with customization aspects have limited universal customizations and practically all of them are for single character/usage.
For example, I could buy a chest armor piece in SWTOR that can be equipped to my main character or any of my 6 companions, but I only get one of them. I can't buy one armor piece that can be equipped to all 7 characters simultaneously, so why would we be able to do that here?
I agree. After all you only play one mech at a time. Looks are cosmetic. no real different than the camo's when you think about it...

Edited by Spliff_Craven, April 30 2014 - 10:44 PM.


#13 LuxAngel7

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Posted April 30 2014 - 11:02 PM

View Postnokari, on April 30 2014 - 10:30 PM, said:

I've played tons of games that don't have universal parts / equipment for things. I would say most games with customization aspects have limited universal customizations and practically all of them are for single character/usage.
For example, I could buy a chest armor piece in SWTOR that can be equipped to my main character or any of my 6 companions, but I only get one of them. I can't buy one armor piece that can be equipped to all 7 characters simultaneously, I'd have to buy 7 if I wanted them all to have the same thing. Why would it work differently here?

Ok no offense but protip: If you're going to reference SWTOR as "doing it right"...then you might want to rethink your argument. That game has been one massive clusterfu** of a business model since day one. Just because another game gets it wrong, that doesn't mean this game should as well.

Secondly, what you're saying would "maybe" make sense if we were able to equip customization parts universally, but only on one mech at a time. So if I'm in a game, and I have all my purchased parts on "x" mech, then I can't switch over to "y" mech and have the same parts.

Instead here we have a situation where if you buy a customization part, it's only for that mech and that mech only, regardless of whether or not it's equipped.

I don't mean to compare apples to oranges, but I keep coming back to the game Warframe. They have made money hand over foot with their cosmetics, and you know how? By making purchases universal. That way they:

-Incentivize players to get new characters
-Make players buy more customizations
-Players are constantly clamoring for more "stuff to buy" since it's not a huge investment to get said "stuff"

And that's just considering the pros on the player "emotional" side.

Again, it's a matter of convenience for the player and increased profits for the devs. There is literally no one that should be against this.

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Posted May 01 2014 - 03:35 AM

And this is why I never spend real money on game items.

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Posted May 01 2014 - 03:55 AM

View PostHadronVictorioso, on May 01 2014 - 03:35 AM, said:

And this is why I never spend real money on game items.

Why not? My raider is so badass looking.
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Posted May 01 2014 - 04:11 AM

I absolutely agree with Luxangel7.

I was really annoyed after purchasing a thruster pack for my assault mech thinking it was universal, I popped over to the reaper I was about to use and realized that I had to purchase it again. I instantly felt scammed. There is NO way that I will BUY the same part for all my mechs in this game and you can take that right now to the bank, devs. Real talk. It reminds me of a reason why I personally don't trust F2P games and reminds me of why none of my buddies don't ever want to touch Hawken. The game felt like a money sucking platform at the exact moment I discovered the lack of universal custom parts. As Lux mentioned, please change it. Hell, even the overflow XP swap for MC is ludicrous too, but that is another matter entirely.

So yeah Devs, please re-consider Lux's point at the very least. You need numbers to make your game profitable at this point, not pseudo greedy nickel and dime tactics. And don't get me wrong, I like your game, liked it even after I learnt you guys were going the F2P route because I was in love with the concept. A part of me still wished you guys had gone the normal retail route though.

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Posted May 01 2014 - 04:46 AM

View PostSilverfire, on April 30 2014 - 08:35 PM, said:

Universal? Well it doesn't even make sense to me.  You bought 1 chassis/repair drone, so you equip it on one mech.  How exactly will that transfer to another mech if you only have one? Paint jobs make sense because you can buy a thousand cans of paint and decorate your mech to your fancy because you just have so much damn paint, but universal mech parts? I don't know.

/devil'sadvocate

There is always a fine line between Fun and reality in games, and you want some reality in a game (laws of physics etc) but to much hurts a game badly. I agree with Mr. Lux. And after all, You are`nt using 2 mechs at once

Edited by frederickthegreat, May 01 2014 - 04:48 AM.

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#18 LuxAngel7

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Posted May 01 2014 - 04:40 PM

View Postfrederickthegreat, on May 01 2014 - 04:46 AM, said:

View PostSilverfire, on April 30 2014 - 08:35 PM, said:

Universal? Well it doesn't even make sense to me.  You bought 1 chassis/repair drone, so you equip it on one mech.  How exactly will that transfer to another mech if you only have one? Paint jobs make sense because you can buy a thousand cans of paint and decorate your mech to your fancy because you just have so much damn paint, but universal mech parts? I don't know.

/devil'sadvocate

There is always a fine line between Fun and reality in games, and you want some reality in a game (laws of physics etc) but to much hurts a game badly. I agree with Mr. Lux. And after all, You are`nt using 2 mechs at once

haha that's the first time I've been called Mr. Lux...not complaining though :P

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Posted May 01 2014 - 06:11 PM

View PostGreenEggsAndSamZ, on May 01 2014 - 03:55 AM, said:

View PostHadronVictorioso, on May 01 2014 - 03:35 AM, said:

And this is why I never spend real money on game items.

Why not? My raider is so badass looking.

Because I could buy another game with that money.

Which is what I did.

Hello, Dark Souls 2! I saved you from becoming a bunch of paints!

Edited by HadronVictorioso, May 01 2014 - 06:11 PM.


#20 LuxAngel7

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Posted May 02 2014 - 09:13 AM

View PostHadronVictorioso, on May 01 2014 - 06:11 PM, said:

View PostGreenEggsAndSamZ, on May 01 2014 - 03:55 AM, said:

View PostHadronVictorioso, on May 01 2014 - 03:35 AM, said:

And this is why I never spend real money on game items.

Why not? My raider is so badass looking.

Because I could buy another game with that money.

Which is what I did.

Hello, Dark Souls 2! I saved you from becoming a bunch of paints!

I'm so sad I returned my Dark Souls 2 because of broken PC controls, huge deadzones on the analog sticks of my controller, and the whole "soul memory" fiasco that makes summoning just as impossible as vanilla Dark Souls 1. Last time Namco and From take money from me.




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