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#1 CoinOps

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Posted November 12 2012 - 10:32 AM

im blasting hell out of people and their health barley goes down at all, one rocket and a few rounds off them and im dead!

whats goin on hawken? its not that im rubbish at games im a top 200 trials HD/evo player so thats testament to my above average hand to eye skills. im no stranger to FPS's either.

its starting to piss me off finishing so many rounds with 0 kills and fuzzy bunny loads of deaths.
i see people have different weapons to me but i cant find an option to buy/get more anywhere and these standard ones do sweet FA it seems.

i read somewhere this was going to be a game whereby nobody has the advantage with special weapons ect.. its just not the case.

as nice as the game looks i cant say im enjoying the experience at all.

Edited by CoinOps, November 12 2012 - 10:48 AM.

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#2 The_Silencer

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Posted November 12 2012 - 10:36 AM

Sometimes you get a kill in the last last last moment. That's pretty exciting.. although sometimes you're the one who gets killed. C'est la vie (in general terms and besides upgrades.. you know). :)

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#3 CoinOps

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Posted November 12 2012 - 10:46 AM

i can run up behind someone and empty everything i have in them point blank and still dont get a kill, they turn round and off me in like 3secs flat. its happened.
im not a rage-full gamer i can stay focused but im very close to not bothering with hawken anymore.
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#4 JuiceBox

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Posted November 12 2012 - 10:49 AM

Be a level 20 mech otherwise just hope for the best

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Posted November 12 2012 - 10:52 AM

All bullet weapons are hitscan (instant travel time), so hold your reticle directly in their center of gravity (no headshots to worry about) and have at them. Your reticle will light up red if it's directly on the target; make sure it's always lit up, or else you'll know it's time to work on your tracking skills.

You need to lead with explosive secondaries, let off of your primary for just a second (don't want to build extra heat), gauge what direction they are moving/how far away they are, and give it a shot. Your projectile is quite large, and your targets are freaking huge, so it shouldn't take too long to get the hang of it. Remember, the TOW Rocket and Grenade Launcher can be manually detonated with the weapon utility button (middle mouse by default), so if you see you're about to miss, you can easily still land explosive damage with proper timing.

Against targets that are dodging around randomly, wait for the dodge, then fire your secondary. Once you have the timing down, players who aren't dodging reactively are easy targets. It shouldn't be too hard to keep hitting them with your primary while they dodge; if you're missing lots of shots after each dodge, you just need to practice tracing targets with your mouse.

Getting killed yourself gets in the way of killing people, so try dodging left/right as you notice people shooting at you... better players will take advantage of this quickly, but most players struggle immediately when you use dodges compared to just standing/walking. As you get the hang of dodging without thinking/throwing off your aim, wait for them to fire (or try to anticipate their cooldowns) and dodge out of harm's way.


All that's left is "keep trying, you'll get better". In my experience, mechs melt like butter the moment I start shooting.

Edited by Immie, November 12 2012 - 10:56 AM.

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Posted November 12 2012 - 10:59 AM

Going in, guns blazing, won't do you much good in this game. Keep an eye on your HUD indicators, keep that overheating in check.
Go in for the attack, unload, retreat/repair, repeat. Also make sure you are shooting at more vital parts ( less armored ) of your enemy.
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Posted November 12 2012 - 11:01 AM

View PostCoinOps, on November 12 2012 - 10:46 AM, said:

i can run up behind someone and empty everything i have in them point blank and still dont get a kill, they turn round and off me in like 3secs flat. its happened.
im not a rage-full gamer i can stay focused but im very close to not bothering with hawken anymore.

Keep in mind a lot of players use HE charges. (short range grenades, usable offensive item)

A HE charge + TOW to the face + a few burst from a primary will kill or cripple anything but a heavy C mech in 2 seconds flat.

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Posted November 12 2012 - 11:43 AM

I can tell you from my overall experience, and playing with pilots like Immie, you can easy mop people up in this game if your aim and mind games are on point. If you are able to land secondaries every tim you fire it, you should be getting kills. People do get away sometimes though, especially A's. It happens. If you are getting into duels and not winning them, its becomes you need to hit more often, and not get hit as much, plain and simple.
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Posted November 12 2012 - 02:09 PM

View PostCoinOps, on November 12 2012 - 10:46 AM, said:

i can run up behind someone and empty everything i have in them point blank and still dont get a kill, they turn round and off me in like 3secs flat. its happened.
im not a rage-full gamer i can stay focused but im very close to not bothering with hawken anymore.

Careful with the tow launcher at point blank range.

#10 The_Silencer

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Posted November 12 2012 - 04:24 PM

Balancing, balancing, balancing ...

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#11 Gestankfaust

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Posted November 12 2012 - 04:25 PM

You also have to remember that since this is an online FPS, what you are seeing isn't really always what's going on. I had a mech standing still that I thought was hiding and shot it a gazillion times and it would blow up. Then it appeared around the corner.....then I killed em  :P

But most of the time it's a cat and mouse game and you have to learn to be the cat more than the mouse. But I agree OP...it's frustrating knowing you hit two or three times and it seems to do nothing. There's probably many reasons why though.

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Posted November 12 2012 - 05:23 PM

Gestankfest: That was probably a hologram you were shooting at, which means you fell for a trap super hard. Unless you are fighting a level 20 C with specs in more survivability, you should be getting plenty of damage out of your weapon combo.
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Posted November 12 2012 - 06:16 PM

I'm totally with you on the balance in the game. Just played and pretty much might as well have stood still and waited for death.

The response I got was that I needed to hit level 20 before it becomes fun.  I refuse to grind to a level for a game to become fun, so I'm going to uninstall and maybe visit in a few months again. Until then, I'll enjoy some planetside 2 which you can jump in and be effective right out of the gate.

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Posted November 12 2012 - 06:42 PM

View PostBlackCephie, on November 12 2012 - 05:23 PM, said:

Gestankfest: That was probably a hologram you were shooting at, which means you fell for a trap super hard. Unless you are fighting a level 20 C with specs in more survivability, you should be getting plenty of damage out of your weapon combo.

Well...I would have thought so if it's "health bar" wasn't depleting when I shot it. Then it would regenerate and I would shoot it again. I really had know idea what to do with it until it appeared from around the corner. I thought I was fighting ghosts

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Edited by Gestankfaust, November 12 2012 - 06:42 PM.


#15 Flirx

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Posted November 12 2012 - 06:48 PM

I still think if you going to snipe you should be able to kill in one shot, not shot and pray.
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Posted November 12 2012 - 06:50 PM

View PostFlirx, on November 12 2012 - 06:48 PM, said:

I still think if you going to snipe you should be able to kill in one shot, not shot and pray.

Yeah...in any other FPS, one shot one kill as a sniper. You would have to aim bad not to get a 1 shot kill. I dunno how that applies here but....makes sense

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Posted November 12 2012 - 06:55 PM

Well, we are dealing with giant robots, not squishy foot soldiers, so a one shot kill with a sabot doesn't really apply. Even so, the sabot does ridiculous damage.
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Posted November 12 2012 - 06:58 PM

View PostBlackCephie, on November 12 2012 - 06:55 PM, said:

Well, we are dealing with giant robots, not squishy foot soldiers, so a one shot kill with a sabot doesn't really apply. Even so, the sabot does ridiculous damage.

I was actually thinking this after I posted. All different levels of armor there are....maybe one shot shouldn't apply to all. Especially since I'm a Brawler  :P

Edited by Gestankfaust, November 12 2012 - 06:58 PM.


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Posted November 12 2012 - 07:02 PM

Remember...people that have been playing a while have upgraded their Armor and Mech settings.  Under the "Optimizations" Tab in your Garage you can put your earned tech points to use in any of the 3 categories (Offense, Defence, Movement).

How do you think some pilots dodge your bullets so quickly sometimes or can boost longer and travel faster than you.  Explore your garage and you will find a wealth of options to tweek out your mech.
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#20 Gestankfaust

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Posted November 12 2012 - 07:09 PM

I get that...but I ws one to try 4 different mechs before settling. :D




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