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#1 Kriminaal

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Posted March 17 2013 - 04:56 AM

I think it's a bad design implementation to give the Raider the EOC. I would much rather have had it get the Flak Cannon or Vulcan-D as the level 25 unlock. Even better would have been a huge drill that you can slam into opponents with, since you are bullrushing at super speed at the enemy anyway (Man that's a great idea!).

With the EOC, the Raider changes drastically from a rushing close quarter combat mech with the ability to lob his secondary semi-efficiently at medium range, to a medium range mech with some serious tactical advantages if you utilizie it properly and still retain the option to dominate the 0-20m range. The ability to charge the EOC while charging gives it a special advantage as well, as it can now round a corner and place a full 6 pucks in your face along with a secondary blast. If there were mines layed before the rush and any hit, then throw in a detonator, you can nearly instagib a C-class.

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Posted March 17 2013 - 05:01 AM

600+ alpha was necessary for some reason.. <_<

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Posted March 17 2013 - 05:01 AM

Raider gets EOC because lolbalance.

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AJK is right

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#4 Dread_Lord_Pitr

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Posted March 17 2013 - 05:54 AM

I don't even use the EOC, Reflak + Det + MIRV = Heatscouts DIE !
EOC sucks IMHO, mine layer on one of the most mobile, non-camp worthy classes in the game =
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#5 Cpt_Kill_Jack

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Posted March 17 2013 - 05:56 AM

View PostDread_Lord_Pitr, on March 17 2013 - 05:54 AM, said:

I don't even use the EOC, Reflak + Det + MIRV = Heatscouts DIE !
EOC sucks IMHO, mine layer on one of the most mobile, non-camp worthy classes in the game =
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Agreed. Reflak is about the most balanced weapon on this mech for weapon combo. The bolt and EOC if they keep the EOC need work.

#6 TheVulong

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Posted March 17 2013 - 09:00 AM

The funniest thing about EOC Raider is that he can K.O a C-class mech in 4 seconds even without detonator. Though it's not funny at all.

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Posted March 17 2013 - 09:22 AM

View PostCpt_Kill_Jack, on March 17 2013 - 05:56 AM, said:

The bolt and EOC if they keep the EOC need work.
Grammatically... what?
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Posted March 17 2013 - 09:28 AM

View PostFrouste, on March 17 2013 - 09:22 AM, said:

View PostCpt_Kill_Jack, on March 17 2013 - 05:56 AM, said:

The bolt and EOC if they keep the EOC need work.
Grammatically... what?

I think he meant to say, "Bolt the Eoc up the flak of a reaper and the raider will heat all over your C!"

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Posted March 17 2013 - 09:30 AM

*Copy&paste*
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Translation: "[What are you trying to say?]"

Edited by Frouste, March 17 2013 - 09:33 AM.

"... And I gazed once more unto the looking glass, but with a clear and unclouded will..."

#10 Alastor_Crow

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Posted March 17 2013 - 09:30 AM

View Postphed, on March 17 2013 - 09:28 AM, said:

View PostFrouste, on March 17 2013 - 09:22 AM, said:

View PostCpt_Kill_Jack, on March 17 2013 - 05:56 AM, said:

The bolt and EOC if they keep the EOC need work.
Grammatically... what?

I think he meant to say, "Bolt the Eoc up the flak of a reaper and the raider will heat all over your C!"

My head..it hurts.

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Posted March 17 2013 - 09:32 AM

Only burst works here.  And likely ever it shall be thus.  Wasn't always like this.  Remember when this was nowt but fields.

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Posted March 17 2013 - 09:35 AM

The vulcan would be a much better choice for the Raider because it matches the CQC model nicely. The EOC's damage combined with the MIRV (and holy hell, the detonator) is the equivalent of a nuke in Hawken. Most matches end up closer than 90 meters too so you can't really say that range is a huge issue here.

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#13 Cpt_Kill_Jack

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Posted March 17 2013 - 09:36 AM

View PostFrouste, on March 17 2013 - 09:22 AM, said:

View PostCpt_Kill_Jack, on March 17 2013 - 05:56 AM, said:

The bolt and EOC if they keep the EOC need work.
Grammatically... what?
Both of them need work. Sorry im typing on phone forgive me.

#14 Frouste

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Posted March 17 2013 - 09:36 AM

ah, thx jack.

Edited by Frouste, March 17 2013 - 09:37 AM.

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Posted March 17 2013 - 09:37 AM

Point-D Vulcan to replace the EOC...

That'd be fine with me, fatty might have a chance... Not. But still fine with me.
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#16 TheVulong

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Posted March 17 2013 - 10:27 AM

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Only burst works here.  And likely ever it shall be thus.  Wasn't always like this.  Remember when this was nowt but fields.
I told them to buff RoF weapons..

About EOC replaced by Point-D - Flak cannon will fit better.

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Posted March 17 2013 - 10:30 AM

I may have been reading that wrong, but a vulcan version of the core game's flak cannon would be cool, but broken.
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Posted March 17 2013 - 10:33 AM

What an eoc raider really think when he sees me:


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Posted March 17 2013 - 10:37 AM

Best. Scene. Ever...  Of all time.
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#20 Rebel_B

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Posted March 17 2013 - 10:51 AM

Why would you give the fastest mech in the game a chargeable burst fire weapon? Why wouldn't you give it a LOS fire weapon since it can shoot and boost at the same time and it has B class health.

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