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99% damage dealt. Team mate steals the last hit. WTF?


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#1 Verlust

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Posted October 27 2012 - 02:53 AM

Why would you make a game that requires so much precision, strategy, and skill to win a one on one battle (which sometime take anywhere from 1-3 minutes) just so that your fuzzy bunny kill stealing team mate can grab your hard earned kill with an assault rifle from across the map?

Why would you make the kill be determined by whomever gets the last hit? Why the hell wouldn't you put in some kind of assurance that when i take down a Brawler with 900 health along with his turret to 10% health that i get the kill just because i'm overheating and someone from behind me device to walk around the corner and fire two shots and take my glory.

Am i wrong? No. Why would i want to shoot anyone with full health if i can just cherry pick like everyone else?

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Posted October 27 2012 - 02:55 AM

You shouldn't be overheating unless its for a kill move anyway.

View Post[HWK]HUGHES, on October 23 2013 - 06:01 PM, said:

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#3 Rean

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Posted October 27 2012 - 02:55 AM

in deathmatch, the person with the most XP earned wins, not the most kills.
xp is awarded appropriate to damage done to the mech + small bonus for last hit.

Edited by Rean, October 27 2012 - 02:59 AM.

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#4 Verlust

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Posted October 27 2012 - 03:19 AM

Oh... xp. That's what FPS were made for.

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Posted October 27 2012 - 03:28 AM

And I'm not talking about 1st place or last place. i don't want to see my hard work go to waste.

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Posted October 27 2012 - 03:40 AM

View PostVerlust, on October 27 2012 - 03:19 AM, said:

Oh... xp. That's what FPS were made for.

XP translates directly into Hawken Points. That's way more important than number of kills on the scoreboard in this game. # of kills =/= Skill Level.
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Posted October 27 2012 - 03:59 AM

Killstealing in DM, legitimate strategy.
Killstealing in TDM, who cares as long as your team wins? Besides, you'll get a lot of points for assists.
Killstealing in an objective mode, thanks for the help.

I've noticed people who are good at killing tend not to worry about killstealing so much, because even if they have a few kills stolen, they'll still be getting plenty of kills and end up top of the charts.

Also, I believe in the person who put in the last hit and actually destroyed/killed the enemy the person who should be awarded the kill.
Now whether that kill should be worth as much as the person who put in 90% of the damage, that's another story.

tl;dr
DEAL WITH IT

[HWK]HUGHES, on July 03 2013 - 11:07 PM, said:

AJK is right

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Posted October 27 2012 - 04:09 AM

View PostVerlust, on October 27 2012 - 03:28 AM, said:

And I'm not talking about 1st place or last place. i don't want to see my hard work go to waste.
It doesn't if it means you're still ahead of the guy who's kill stealing.


To this day people still seem to extremely under value assists. Makes me sad.

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Posted October 27 2012 - 04:24 AM

View PostVerlust, on October 27 2012 - 03:28 AM, said:

And I'm not talking about 1st place or last place. i don't want to see my hard work go to waste.

I tend to agree with AsianJoyKiller; target goes down, on to the next. I see what you mean too though... especially since your hard work is considered an "assist" after all that heh, double insult :P

But really, I don't really care either way. The bigger the pile of scrapped enemy mechs, the better.

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Posted October 27 2012 - 04:32 AM

The implications of throwing out phrases like "kill-stealing" are pretty dumb. As soon as one person starts shooting another it's a duel? Has no one ever tried to run away from you? I've played the beta for a couple hours and much like every other mmofps ever, people run past you or all they see is one guy dart around a corner or five people shoot one person at once because all the other players are grouped together firing wildly, having fun. As someone who can't be arsed to grind out developing skills at dash vectors or frames of animation I thought I could at least shoot mechs indiscriminately, I mean it's not such a rare thing to want to do, right?

#11 Metalo

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Posted October 27 2012 - 04:42 AM

u dont know how this thing is going to play , u might end up doing just one bullet with your smg and get the enemy kill , or the flak canon getting the enemies last  25% health and u getting nothing.

for team DM its better to shoot the enemy just to make sure, in DM its fun to steal kills :P

#12 Rean

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Posted October 27 2012 - 04:48 AM

View PostVerlust, on October 27 2012 - 03:28 AM, said:

And I'm not talking about 1st place or last place. i don't want to see my hard work go to waste.
whats wrong with you?
you did 99% dmg and you get, lets say 99points.
dude that stole your kill gets 1+25 for final hit.
so you got 99 and he got 26. what exactly are you being mad about?

Edited by Rean, October 27 2012 - 05:32 AM.

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Posted October 27 2012 - 04:56 AM

View PostAsianJoyKiller, on October 27 2012 - 03:59 AM, said:

Killstealing in DM, legitimate strategy.
Killstealing in TDM, who cares as long as your team wins? Besides, you'll get a lot of points for assists.
Killstealing in an objective mode, thanks for the help.

tl;dr
DEAL WITH IT

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#14 Saint_The_Judge

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Posted October 27 2012 - 06:09 AM

It's been this way since they invented online FPS, pal. I know sometimes it's frustrating, and I understand it takes a lot more time and bullets to down a mech than to kill a low health model in CoD or BF, but Hawken is not CoD or BF. A piece of advice: forget about K/D which is, IMO, a childish approach to this or any shooter. If you weaken the opponent and a teammate fires the mercy shot, you earn assist points, which increases your XP, Hawken points, etc. And never forget the most important part: you had fun, which is the primary objective of any game. Or not?
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Posted October 27 2012 - 07:25 AM

View PostVerlust, on October 27 2012 - 03:19 AM, said:

Oh... xp. That's what FPS were made for.

And yet you're playing a mech combat simulation title which is based around earning money/exp to buy new parts and level up your mech. Perhaps if you're more worried about your K/D ratio than all the other systems in place here to reward players for their hard work you should go play something like Call of Duty which has a bigger focus on K/D ratio and less on what parts you're unlocking and what mechs you have at your disposable.

Also you were in Team Death Match, TEAM DEATH MATCH, you were on the same side so stop complaining. The enemy died and your team didn't, that's a victory in my book.

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#16 SilentCid

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Posted October 27 2012 - 07:27 AM

I didn't know there was an i in team.

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Posted October 27 2012 - 07:30 AM

View PostVerlust, on October 27 2012 - 03:19 AM, said:

Oh... xp. That's what FPS were made for.
Teambased game modes weren't made to see who can get the biggest kill number in their scoreboard... you still killed him , someone else helped, does it matter?

#18 Verlust

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Posted October 27 2012 - 03:19 PM

Haha. I was very drunk and frustrated when i wrote this last night (had a game that netted me 20 assists). My point was just to convey that if there is so much health for the big guys, i think the person who actually dealt the majority of the damage should get the majority of the credit.

I completely grasp that we get the majority of the xp, but not everyone plays online FPS for that. Certainly not me.

And if this were based on 1-3 shot kills in such games as "CoD" or "BF" as some have mentioned previously, then that is totally fair.

C'est la vie.

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Posted October 27 2012 - 03:22 PM

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Posted October 27 2012 - 03:30 PM

Sorry Verlust but if you didnt come here to play the game the way it was designed for this build, see ya later. Also i cannot help but notice that you are a COD fuzzy bunny so i must say this, dont bother comparing ANYTHING with COD as ANYTHING released post 2007 is automatically better in every way possible and this fact is undeniable, go wait for the new skin pack for COD they called Black Ops II
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