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#1 Hiphin

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Posted December 23 2012 - 08:07 AM

I'm kind of sick of playing games and having them nerfed based on lack of skill from certain players that seem to be the most active in complaining and much less active in playing or improving there skill.

When I first started playing Hawken I lost my first few matches learning the buttons and mapping my mouse, changing setting and whatnot...

Now I'm easily MVP almost every match and alot of them MVP in Kills and Assist....
My friend just started playing and was horrid... I had to stay with him or he was just cannon fodder and everyone seemed to be OP to him. Then after a little training he is Top 3. This is all in a few days...

He has been EMP'ed and was like, I like how that think works. I was EMP'ed and was instantly intrigued.
So I got it and started emping people in certain situations... 2v1, vs a C-class, or Heavy Mech, etc etc...

I've been called all types of names and now people keep saying that the EMP needs to be nerfed...

I personal cannot deal with another game ruined by skill-less players and Don't want to see anything nerfed
Grenadiers are OP in their proper situations and Worthless in others,
Sharpshooters are OP in their proper situations and Worthless in others,
Assualt Mechs OP in their proper situations and Worthless in others,

The EMP is OP in their proper situations and Worthless in others,
and it will alwasy be like this...

If you think everything needs to be nerfed, you probably suck. As a PAYING user, I want to voice my opinion about this NERFING business.... Which is total BS


DO NOT MAKE HAWKEN SUCK, BY REQUIRING PLAYERS TO NOT IMPROVE OR LEARN THE GAME!!!

Mind you these are the same people that complain about everything, get everything nerfed then the company wonders why noone wants to play the game. You guys who made the game have played it and know that if you pit Good players vs Good players the game is fine in almost every aspect of damage counterabilty(made that up).

DO NOT NERF anything including the EMP

FOR all of you Players who Don't know, you can counter the EMP with the Battery charger Countermeasure. The EMP has a Cool Down, The EMP shoots Slow, its balanced.

When HIT with an EMP RUN do not stand there as if your legs are pinned to the ground
Several times I was EMP'ed ran and Killed the person who EMP'ed me and chased....

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Posted December 23 2012 - 08:13 AM

I'm not going to comment as to whether the EMP needs to be nerfed or not. I am going to say one thing, however: Balance needs to be achieved, somehow. Whether that be through nerfing certain items, or buffing others. Balance can take a fine line, but a good developer knows how to walk that line.

Doing nothing to balance the game is just as bad to the game as caving in to the torrent of useless whiners who plague this forum.
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Posted December 23 2012 - 08:14 AM

I thought boosters shut down when hit by an emp. I try to run every time and cant.

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Posted December 23 2012 - 08:14 AM

Devs said they are reworking the EMP mechanic. They didn't specify any details.

Why are you so scared about it? Is this your only advantage over pub noobs?

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Posted December 23 2012 - 08:28 AM

View PostPursang, on December 23 2012 - 08:13 AM, said:

I'm not going to comment as to whether the EMP needs to be nerfed or not

I will.

EMP is probably the worst mechanic I've ever seen in any FPS. Thankfully the majority of the people who use it are horrible, so dodge avoiding the duration is easy. Any half decent player it's a guaranteed kill.

Already mentioned it's being reworked, and the higher tier level players don't even use it.

Bads will stay bads.

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Posted December 23 2012 - 08:32 AM

Yes, the general balancing strategy of nerfing things into the ground sucks and is overused. But there is such a thing as overpowered, and it annoys me when people act like there isn't. If the AR did 100 damage per shot instead of 17 but everything was left the same, that's overpowered. You can't tell someone 'oh just play around it, I managed to kill someone using it', that's just stupid at that point. At that point the best gun would obviously be the AR, and you would use it or die. Variety would disappear, particularly in the competitive scene.

And this is why the EMP is banned in the upcoming tournament. It's the best item in the game hands down, no comparison. It's so versatile, so easy to use and give such a huge payoff. A direct hit with the HE charge does 160 damage with a direct hit, and it has a unique travel time and no mid-air detonate. With 8 seconds of shutdown, I can kill a C-class from full health without him being able to fight back. And I can hit him through a wall. With teamwork, chain EMPing someone is utterly absurd and due to the obscene splash radius you can easy EMP more than 1 enemy at a time. Hell, in CBE3 the EMP had half the duration yet was still the best item in the game. Scrims, pugs and matches between clans had EMP's flying everywhere.

When something is the only truely viable choice, it's overpowered.

Edited by NotKjell, December 23 2012 - 08:33 AM.

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Posted December 23 2012 - 08:46 AM

View PostHiphin, on December 23 2012 - 08:07 AM, said:

As a PAYING user...

I'm gonna stop you right there and remind you that your 2 weeks of playing experience is worth jack-diddly-squat when discussing balance, and your paying does not entitle you to even the faintest sliver of insight into the game.

Now the last time a EMP thread popped up, it was hijacked by theorycrafting nubs trying to prove on paper some relation between the new 7s EMP duration, the amount of utility of doing 160 instantaneous HE C dmg, and a bunch of other things.

When all they needed to do was to jump into an organized game and really feel the power and universality of EMP to reach an easy conclusion.

Play more, declare less.

Edited by ReachH, December 23 2012 - 08:47 AM.

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Development happens.


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Posted December 23 2012 - 08:53 AM

View PostReachH, on December 23 2012 - 08:46 AM, said:

View PostHiphin, on December 23 2012 - 08:07 AM, said:

As a PAYING user...

I'm gonna stop you right there and remind you that your 2 weeks of playing experience is worth jack-diddly-squat when discussing balance, and your paying does not entitle you to even the faintest sliver of insight into the game.

Now the last time a EMP thread popped up, it was hijacked by theorycrafting nubs trying to prove on paper some relation between the new 7s EMP duration, the amount of utility of doing 160 instantaneous HE C dmg, and a bunch of other things.

When all they needed to do was to jump into an organized game and really feel the power and universality of EMP to reach an easy conclusion.

Play more, declare less.

+1 Like for saying jack-diddly-squat. :D
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Posted December 23 2012 - 09:00 AM

Sorry, but I make it my mission to hunt down any unfortunate bastard that has the balls to EMP me. I make their lives a living hell for the rest of the match, because then I begin to do things like bait the EMP to come out and then punish the hell out of them for doing it.

It was powerful enough at 4-5 seconds like in CB3. The current 7 seconds is a literal death sentence and a group spanker if all your friends are together, something no other item or weapon can do so effectively.

I welcome the change. I hope it is something along the lines of what I suggested (making your HUD indicators go haywire, having no idea of what your actual heat and armor is, and adding some more static to make it difficult to see). That makes more sense with what an EMP does as opposed to its current "LOLZ U HAZ NO SHOT NOW I SHOT U IN TEH FAEC!"
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Posted December 23 2012 - 09:05 AM

Again, what if you could use items after you got hit by an EMP? Just give him/her a second to counterstrike, if you wish...

At least... well turrets are pretty weak to be considered as a decent pay-back option...

Just an idea though.

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Posted December 23 2012 - 09:07 AM

View PostThe_Silencer, on December 23 2012 - 09:05 AM, said:

Again, what if you could use items after you got hit by an EMP? Just give him/her a second to counterstrike, if you wish...

At least... well turrets are pretty weak to be considered as a decent pay-back option...

Just an idea though.

It was like this in...CBE2? And what happened is you just EMP back the person who EMP'd you.

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Posted December 23 2012 - 09:08 AM

Maybe the guy EMPing you has no countermeassures now...

Although using shields or turrets (just to mention some) would be pretty interesting from a testing standpoint.

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#13 NotKjell

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Posted December 23 2012 - 09:15 AM

Well being able to use items would make the EMP less of a death sentence, but doesn't fix that the EMP is still the only viable choice as an item. If anything it's be worse because it'd be the best item for keeping you alive is you get EMP'd by someone else.

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Posted December 23 2012 - 09:17 AM

there's a emp countermeasure, I tried it and it's not that bad at all...

On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.

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Posted December 23 2012 - 09:42 AM

View PostDarkPulse, on December 23 2012 - 09:00 AM, said:

Sorry, but I make it my mission to hunt down any unfortunate bastard that has the balls to EMP me. I make their lives a living hell for the rest of the match, because then I begin to do things like bait the EMP to come out and then punish the hell out of them for doing it.

It was powerful enough at 4-5 seconds like in CB3. The current 7 seconds is a literal death sentence and a group spanker if all your friends are together, something no other item or weapon can do so effectively.

I welcome the change. I hope it is something along the lines of what I suggested (making your HUD indicators go haywire, having no idea of what your actual heat and armor is, and adding some more static to make it difficult to see). That makes more sense with what an EMP does as opposed to its current "LOLZ U HAZ NO SHOT NOW I SHOT U IN TEH FAEC!"

LOL, nice one. But I think the emp was designed to break groups apart. People kind of have a tendence to stick with their team mates more in this game than any other, and that gets problematic. So it is doing its job. Perhaps a little too well....

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Posted December 23 2012 - 09:50 AM

View PostAhKeelU, on December 23 2012 - 09:42 AM, said:

But I think the emp was designed to break groups apart. People kind of have a tendence to stick with their team mates more in this game than any other, and that gets problematic. So it is doing its job. Perhaps a little too well....

Well, it's fundamentally bad design because it sure doesn't get any worse 1v1 and it's outright unfun to be hit with it. You have to flee or you'll lose. There are of course other situations that you have to flee from but those are generally due to overextending or just generally fighting, not being hit once with a single weapon, and you can actually dissuade pursuers by launching a parting salvo or bait them by turning around once you're behind some cover. You're not defenceless in those scenarios even when the odds are against you.

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Posted December 23 2012 - 09:55 AM

Emp for all so stop  complaining and get with the game !!!

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Posted December 23 2012 - 09:58 AM

View PostOmega22, on December 23 2012 - 09:55 AM, said:

Emp for all so stop  complaining and get with the game !!!
Being available to everyone doesn't mean it's balanced.
After all, we could all have access to 1-hit kill seeking missiles that can pass through walls, but would it be balanced? Nope.

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Posted December 23 2012 - 10:00 AM

View PostOmega22, on December 23 2012 - 09:55 AM, said:

Emp for all so stop  complaining and get with the game !!!

Just wait until you go against a team with all EMPs and you can't do anything.

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Posted December 23 2012 - 10:07 AM

View PostAsianJoyKiller, on December 23 2012 - 09:58 AM, said:

View PostOmega22, on December 23 2012 - 09:55 AM, said:

Emp for all so stop  complaining and get with the game !!!
Being available to everyone doesn't mean it's balanced.
After all, we could all have access to 1-hit kill seeking missiles that can pass through walls, but would it be balanced? Nope.

So now you starting to realize on that my suggestion on limiting EMPs to A mech classes does not sound that bad? :P

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