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#1 Pap

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Posted November 22 2012 - 06:17 PM

come on guys! I love you and all the stuff with kisses and hugs but COME ON!? how could you broke the game so much?
i was having genuine fun while in alpha and earlier beta events. beta 2 being the best as far. but what is going on with beta 3? the game is a mess.
- constant syncing problems
- empty servers
- matchmakin not workin at all
- no servers browsing
- questionable changes in gameplay
- the game lags more
- i have encountered more bugs than in the alpha stage!

the biggest complain that i have right now is that the game is completly no fun, there is no point in playing. i try to play it, try to report bugs try to be a good gamer, try to support newbies and explain them how to play but this game is just not it.
the unbalance issue is a disaster. i join games when people are soo much unbalanced. team of +11lvl mechs vs a smaller number team with 1-3lvl mechs COME ON is this your matchmakin? it was working better in beta 2:P
and should i mention how often the servers are empty? why does the system doesnt try to push me to the crowded servers? i never encountered problem with finding a server with almost full people in CBE2 and in the version i never had a chance to play in a full teams game.
people quit ALL the time because the game is so unbalanced, teams are so unbalanced. they say how much fuzzy bunny weapon X or Y is all the time.

should i talk about the turret range? I.. HAVE... all settings on ultra, 1080p with all the thingies on. and a freakin rocket turret almost kills me from a distance SOOO FAR that i cant even see it on the screen. literally the turret was not there. i thoutgh that someone was hacking or its a bug exploitation or something. but no! the turrets are winning the games by themselves. its rubish

METEOR! plz fix this beta. its going to be tooo long to not to fix it, its ending in december that a hell lot of time.
- sack the matchmakin
- bring back servers browsing
- tone down the turrets
plz just do this things, i can live with the hilarious amount of bugs for the time being. but i cant live without hawken being a cool game as it was. or at least return to the beta 2 version

sorry if any1 is offended, i just finished playin and i am soo furious..

Edited by Pap, November 25 2012 - 02:52 PM.

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Posted November 22 2012 - 06:22 PM

I'm most gutted by empty server thing. My favorite mode is deathmatch and I can't find -ANY- game whatsoever.  yeah, maybe 1 in 420 tries actually gives me a game with 5 people in it, except they leave quickly, etc etc etc

Seriously. this "matchmaking" is making the game look dead.

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Posted November 22 2012 - 06:43 PM

Offer a selection box on the matchmaking screen:

If there are no free server slots...

a. open a new server
b. queue for first available spot

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Posted November 22 2012 - 06:59 PM

View PostPap, on November 22 2012 - 06:17 PM, said:

the game is a mess.
Beta.

Edited by fwip, November 22 2012 - 06:59 PM.

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Posted November 22 2012 - 07:02 PM

Huh, so it's not that Hawken is dead, it's that I keep getting shoved into empty servers.. at least people are still playing.  Though, the balance problem is killing Hawken for me a little.  it was fun up until people started getting into the double digit level range while I get stuck on teams with maybe... I dunno, a max level of 4 or 6, while also down on the number of players.

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Posted November 22 2012 - 08:09 PM

Yeah, matchmaker kills it for me.  Skill doesn't factor in when people have advantages like say, a level 15 and a level 10 player(with lowbie friends) vs a team where the max level is 3... is this a joke?  I know you really want to WoW level grind to pum,p up your microtransactions but this is a FPS... I can't go ant relax in a tevern with elves or Pandas or whatever WoW is full of now... no talkie talkie... no spendy spendy... just flat, surly looking robots with BFG9000 arms ruleing the roost.  Fail.
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Posted November 22 2012 - 08:24 PM

Well the good news it that the server browser is coming back at some point.  The bad news is we have yet another developer who thinks that they have the special sauce needed to make matchmaking into some awesomesauce.  Sorry, but I've been burned by terrible matchmaking systems way too many times to ever place any confidence into another one.
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Posted November 22 2012 - 08:44 PM

It's Beta. We're here to test things like the matchmaking, connectivity issues, and balance. If you're not here to do that, then may I suggest a game that has actually been released to the public?
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Posted November 22 2012 - 08:46 PM

I do find it funny i have been doing mechwarrior online  planetside2 and this  all 3 games were and are using the it's still beta argument for things that are messed up.  The odd thing is planetside 2 is released and the forums are full of plp saying ok now it's released what is the excuse.  Beta isnt for developing the game that is what inhouse and alpha tests are for. Beta is for finetuning and polish so when you do release it is the best product you can put out.  It really is sad when those 3 games all should be extremely fun and killer experiances but no all 3 of them are a let down in many ways.
   I will say this is easily the least messed up of the 3 but it still has many issues that should have been fixed before beta phases started. I do know alot of these issues with new games arn't the dev's fault  and the blame is on the publisher  behind it pushing it out before it's even close to ready. But that really doesn't excuse  all of the problems.
   One of my favorite little glitches leave a room after a few matches and the game crashes (accually i can join and leave right away without a match taking place and it crashes).  Oh and don't forget the ever so fun hit detection problem.....

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Posted November 22 2012 - 08:46 PM

I actually tried hanging out in a server for a change, and it eventually filled up. Sure it sucks getting shoved into lowly populated/empty games. But the problem kinda... increases the problem. Everybody leaves, tries to join a populated game. What if a populated game doesn't exist for you to join? Then well, fuzzy bunny.

I actually used the Matchmaking for 90% of my games in CBE1 and 2, cause bugger. The server list was kinda wonky for me and not 100% up to date, so I'd be trying to join already full games.

Granted all this will probably be easily fixed by giving us back our server list. Which I hear is happening, and hopefully its soon.

Edited by Dreizehn, November 22 2012 - 08:47 PM.


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Posted November 22 2012 - 08:57 PM

This is why they removed the Server browser for this CBE.  They wanted more data on how matchmaking behaves.  Be good little test monkeys, and give them data so they can make the game better.

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Posted November 23 2012 - 05:04 AM

View Postfwip, on November 22 2012 - 06:59 PM, said:

Beta.
dude...plz..stop..and the same to other saying
"hey it's beta don't whine"
i can whine how much i can that's why this forum is created:) they tried this matchmaking for some time (earlier betas and now). people are complaining about it ALLLLLLLLLL the time. srsly i have not been in a game when someone doesn't mention how much matchmakin sux

View PostRavenSol, on November 22 2012 - 08:46 PM, said:

I do find it funny i have been doing mechwarrior online  planetside2 and this  all 3 games were and are using the it's still beta argument for things that are messed up.  
yeah ive been playing them too

View PostDreizehn, on November 22 2012 - 08:46 PM, said:

I actually tried hanging out in a server for a change, and it eventually filled up.
yeah i also try to 'hang out' in the server. i wait with 2 people literally chating about how empty the game is due to matchmakin:P after 30 minutes we got like 5-6people:)

View PostKaraipantsu, on November 22 2012 - 08:57 PM, said:

This is why they removed the Server browser for this CBE.  They wanted more data on how matchmaking behaves.  Be good little test monkeys, and give them data so they can make the game better.
i know and i am but this has gone tooo far:) people doesn't talk about anything else in empty games except about the matchmakin suckin:)

i just wanted to voice my opinion really hard. they have to bring back server browsing or try fixing the matchmakin. the game has tooo many other bugs to focus on perfecting the matchmaking
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Posted November 23 2012 - 05:21 AM

Easy there, tiger.  Empty games are good test data to use for improving the matchmaking system.  Also, everyone got their accounts wiped for CB3 so even the best matchmaking system on earth isn’t going to be able to adequately allocated players when everyone is so close, stats-wise.  These things need time to bed in, that’s why we’re here.  By all means complain later on if the system still fails to perform adequately.  (Some way into the Open Beta would probably be a good position to form an educated assessment.)

I have my doubts about the validity of Hawken’s matchmaking for the simple fact that a lvl0 mech is significantly inferior to a fully specced one and the matchmaking system is unable to divine which of the mechs you have in your garage that you plan to use for the match.   That being said, if the progression system didn’t stack buffs then this would cease to be a matchmaking issue, and we already know that this is something that the devs have said that they’re looking into.  (CB3 flirts with this approach already with the Internals.)

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Posted November 23 2012 - 06:54 AM

Seriously, how do people get into Beta tests with this mindset?  Whining is not constructive criticism.  We are not customers (yet).  Beta testers are unpaid employees, essentially.  If you want to complain, the proper format is not "OMG FIX THIS fuzzy bunny YOU'RE SO BAD", it's more "Ok, here's what looks wrong with this picture."  I agree that turret range is currently a little bonkers, but the game is not "broken" because it is not finished.  Matchmaking will be around forever because that's how FPS works these days, and the server browser will be back because it was only removed to test matchmaking as a core concept for the game.  Overreact when you've actually paid for something, and until then, don't whine, offer ideas on how to make it better.  Sheesh.

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Posted November 23 2012 - 06:56 AM

You also have to remember that this is a CLOSED beta, meaning there's (comparatively) not a lot of people playing.  When there's an open beta and a LOT more individuals are looking for games, those empty games will fill up a lot quicker.

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Posted November 23 2012 - 08:22 AM

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Posted November 23 2012 - 09:31 AM

View Postdefekt, on November 23 2012 - 05:21 AM, said:

I have my doubts about the validity of Hawken’s matchmaking for the simple fact that a lvl0 mech is significantly inferior to a fully specced one and the matchmaking system is unable to divine which of the mechs you have in your garage that you plan to use for the match.   That being said, if the progression system didn’t stack buffs then this would cease to be a matchmaking issue, and we already know that this is something that the devs have said that they’re looking into.
well obviously the game can't matchmake based on pure mechs cause we can switch from 0lvl to 20lvl in the next respawn, that is why there are player stats in the game and i believe the matchmaking is working on that condition (otherwise meteor would be makin something impossible). but we still need matchmaking/autobalance durring the games, players should be switched, if we have a team of full speced mechs vs total noobs it should be shuffled.

View PostKaraipantsu, on November 23 2012 - 06:54 AM, said:

Seriously, how do people get into Beta tests with this mindset?  Whining is not constructive criticism.
srsly how do people can reply to a topic without even reading the whole discussion? matchmaking was sucking since beta 2, beta 2 was 6 days long. beta 3 will be 16-17 days long (cant remember the date right now), we are already 3 days and the matchmaking is making the game just worse. they tested it for some time and AS I SAID EARLIER (if you would just read my posts) there are more urgent bugs that need to be fixed rather than working on a almost imposible matchmaking system. many games try to do this and many games simply fail in makin a working matchmaking. AND AS I SAID EARLIER people complain the most about matchmaking system. if the system is discouraging players from the game there is no point in keeping the matchmaking. everyone was happy when there was a servers browser. it worked great and i never had a problem to find a game with lots of players. explaination that "this is beta so there is a little to no players currently" is absurd. as I said, there was a lot of players in earlier stages so why should there be less now? unless everyone was scared cause of the matchmaking:)

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Posted November 23 2012 - 10:33 AM

View PostPap, on November 23 2012 - 09:31 AM, said:

...we still need matchmaking/autobalance durring the games, players should be switched, if we have a team of full speced mechs vs total noobs it should be shuffled.
Agreed.

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Posted November 23 2012 - 01:49 PM

View PostPap, on November 23 2012 - 09:31 AM, said:

explaination that "this is beta so there is a little to no players currently" is absurd. as I said, there was a lot of players in earlier stages so why should there be less now? unless everyone was scared cause of the matchmaking:)

It's hardly absurd.  If your beta population is 1/10th of your expected live population, it makes perfect sense that there's going to be far fewer people looking for a specific gametype at any given moment, and it will take longer to fill up an empty game.  Most beta testers don't want to sit around waiting for that to happen, so they come to (rightfully) complain about it.  And "fixing" the matchmaking is what this beta is basically all about.  If you remember in CBE2, matchmaking didn't work AT ALL, so I'd certainly say it needs work.  I'd imagine they're trying to gather data on how different skill levels are distributed in the matchmaking system, though I cannot claim to understand the realistic logic behind that when we can, as you said, switch to a higher or lower ranked mech after a death.  But beta testing isn't about what the testers want, it's about what the developers need, and they need to test the matchmaking system, so that's what it is.

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Posted November 23 2012 - 01:56 PM

Hold on guys, what the frak is this hostility? ( not all of you)

Still this is a beta.. remember? I have not had any issues with purchasing stuff since the latest patch from days ago. For how long do you stay in a server once you get in a game? Or are you constantly getting in and leaving for no real reason? C'mon.. pull your selves together, pilots!!

Lemme check those empty servers you say... because I've not seen any yet.

Ntz.. Other than that.. I need 100 ME points.. I've to admit. Can you see my avatar? ( kidding ) :P

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