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Hawken Forums are missing a good place to discuss strategy.


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#1 Super_Pickle

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Posted November 20 2013 - 09:58 PM

I've noticed a distinct lack of any good place to discuss mech build styles, combat strategies, or any form of competitive play, or even a newbie help section. The closest things I've seen are saturn's awesome guide to picking your mech, but that's pretty early entry level stuff, and doesn't cover actual strategy. The notice to newbies is awesome, but it's falling off the front page of the introduction forum, and there's not organization to the location of guides. The class guides and videos posted by the official team are much better than the standard game studios help guides, but they don't cover even half of the important things about each mech, and as polls show, players want more player interaction than videos. The main problem is there's not enough room for a discussion of advanced tactics in the general discussion area. I do see a few forum posts that discuss play styles, but I mostly notice players giving advice that's not so good while ignoring some of the easiest tips to help newbies play effectively. We need a place to engage in thoughtful discussions on game balance at the lower levels and the higher levels and post newbie help guides to help player retention.

I know Hawken is still in beta, so everything is changing, and the competitive end is still changing quite a bit, but there are practical applications for an extra forum. Mainly, having a knowledgeable group of people gather in one place to discuss strategy can go a long way towards finding and coming up with solutions to the abundant and problematic balance issues throughout the whole game. Even finding a simple solution to a small problem could save hours of dev time with a simple tweak. The top players also need a place to start nailing down effective competitive play strategies and spreading them around where other people can pick them up, or at least know what not to do in a given situation. I know that top players are already devastatingly effective, but that knowledge isn't being passed around. I rarely hear top players give advice to other players, and most of the amazing nuggets are hidden away in obscure forum posts in topics complaining about the state of the game. I see WAY too many downright pathetic players, and they aren't going to want to stick around to learn how much fun this game is if they can't get an easy start.

If Hawken is going to be ready to get out of beta any time soon, it needs a community to support the new players coming in, and a strategy corner would be an awesome way to do that. If League of Legends can produce dozens of guides, I'm sure we can get a few players to make some guides for the 15 mechs Hawken currently has, especially since most of them share common weapons. Adding in a new forum is simple, the possible benefits are high, and the worst case is it has to be closed in a month because no one is using it. We've got a subforum for spammy forum games. We should get a strategic subforum.

Edited by Super_Pickle, November 20 2013 - 10:05 PM.

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Posted November 21 2013 - 10:05 PM

Something that might help is ATC (Advanced Tactical Center), picked it up awhile back and it helps a LOT with strats. The issue I'd see arising is the 3D element of some maps, but color coding for tunnels might help.
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Posted November 22 2013 - 01:46 PM

View PostNitroLauncher717, on November 21 2013 - 10:05 PM, said:

Something that might help is ATC (Advanced Tactical Center), picked it up awhile back and it helps a LOT with strats. The issue I'd see arising is the 3D element of some maps, but color coding for tunnels might help.
I was specifically talking about  adding in a subforum to discuss strategy. It's an easy quick thing to do that could motivate a ton of awesome content that could help newbies and veterans alike. Adding the ability to mark things on the map while repairing would be totally awesome, but require a lot of dev time, and they're already busy with more important things.
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Posted November 24 2013 - 09:16 AM

View PostSuper_Pickle, on November 22 2013 - 01:46 PM, said:

View PostNitroLauncher717, on November 21 2013 - 10:05 PM, said:

Something that might help is ATC (Advanced Tactical Center), picked it up awhile back and it helps a LOT with strats. The issue I'd see arising is the 3D element of some maps, but color coding for tunnels might help.
I was specifically talking about  adding in a subforum to discuss strategy. It's an easy quick thing to do that could motivate a ton of awesome content that could help newbies and veterans alike. Adding the ability to mark things on the map while repairing would be totally awesome, but require a lot of dev time, and they're already busy with more important things.

I know what you meant about a sub-forum, and it's a great idea. How do you think it should be divided up - by map, by mech types, or by game type?

In regards to ATC, all you really need is a map of the field, and I can easily just pull them from the website that they use for the minimap and such. Did it for tanks when we got new maps, so it's not too hard to put in the necessary info, and it can be completely player driven, the devs don't even have to get involved and waste time from making the game.

Edited by NitroLauncher717, November 24 2013 - 09:22 AM.

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Posted November 26 2013 - 10:20 PM

I totally support this idea, in order to grow as a community and become more successful you'll need places to do this.
My idea for Strategy sub-forum is:
  • General Strategy / Tactics
  • Map Specific Strategy / Tactics / Tips
  • Mode Specific Strategy / Tactics / Tips
  • Light Mechs Strategy / Tactics
  • Medium Mechs Strategy / Tactics
  • Heavy Mechs Strategy / Tactics
If you want to be even more specific with the General tabs, you can make sub threads about Tuning, Items and Internals.
If this idea or format won't work then something else but at the very least we could implement a sub forum for Strategy




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