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#1 ticklemyiguana

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Posted September 16 2014 - 03:49 PM

Let's imagine for a moment what's all crossed our minds, those of us that have noticed, which is probably everyone with access to the server browser that frequently plays on USE.

The devs are out of money, and had to shut down some servers.

At first glance, that's reasonable. No real warning, etc. etc.
But they've removed servers before (somewhat recently too) and brought them back online. That was a real thing. It happened on a Wednesday night on USC. I would know.

That's something to consider with all this, but the real kicker is that USE is the most populated server region in the states, and possibly of all the regions. Why on Earth would they shut them off first? Why wouldn't they take a couple of West, Central, or other servers offline?

Financially, and in terms of the game. It makes no sense to start with East.

So what happened when they brought the central servers back up? I had lower ping by about 10 ms. Not a huge deal, but someone was working on them, and someone is working on these now.

Just want to get ahead of the curve here.

Yes. While the development team is going through some changes and for whatever reason, isn't talking, the game is being worked on still.

For now, party on USC and USW.

Edited by ticklemyiguana, September 16 2014 - 03:50 PM.

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#2 IareDave

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Posted September 16 2014 - 04:17 PM

Hawken is open to any kind of speculation at this point. It's good to know some people, like yourself, still have optimism for the future of the development on this game but I ran out of positive juice. If the servers are really being shut down, I can't imagine that as a good thing. They could be slowly cutting off access to the game and getting it off the gamers grid bit by bit instead of a total immediate shutdown. But that's just my own thoughts.

#3 ticklemyiguana

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Posted September 16 2014 - 04:31 PM

View PostIareDave, on September 16 2014 - 04:17 PM, said:

Hawken is open to any kind of speculation at this point. It's good to know some people, like yourself, still have optimism for the future of the development on this game but I ran out of positive juice. If the servers are really being shut down, I can't imagine that as a good thing. They could be slowly cutting off access to the game and getting it off the gamers grid bit by bit instead of a total immediate shutdown. But that's just my own thoughts.
The point of the post is to state that if that is what they are doing, they would be doing it with another server region first so that they can still have some income coming in, as opposed to alienating their largest playerbase.

Edited by ticklemyiguana, September 16 2014 - 04:31 PM.

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#4 Massive_Assailant_Stingray

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Posted September 16 2014 - 04:37 PM

I agree with tickle, makes sense imo.

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Posted September 16 2014 - 05:00 PM

Maybe you're not aware if you've only ever played on USE, but other regions have all had servers cut out prior. USW used to have almost as many servers as USE a while back and they're all closed now. USW and USC both used to have mayhem servers and the LA fight club server on USW have all been cut long before any cuts to USE I believe.

The game is down to about 500-700 players, so they probably ran the numbers and figured out they don't need all the empty servers any longer.

#6 IareDave

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Posted September 16 2014 - 05:02 PM

View Postticklemyiguana, on September 16 2014 - 04:31 PM, said:

The point of the post is to state that if that is what they are doing, they would be doing it with another server region first so that they can still have some income coming in, as opposed to alienating their largest playerbase.
I understand what you're saying, but you're missing the point of my post. If their goal IS to shutdown the game, it makes sense to remove the servers of the region with the largest playerbase.

Edited by IareDave, September 16 2014 - 05:06 PM.


#7 ticklemyiguana

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Posted September 16 2014 - 05:05 PM

View PostIareDave, on September 16 2014 - 05:02 PM, said:

View Postticklemyiguana, on September 16 2014 - 04:31 PM, said:

The point of the post is to state that if that is what they are doing, they would be doing it with another server region first so that they can still have some income coming in, as opposed to alienating their largest playerbase.
I understand what you're saying, but you're missing the point of my point of my post. If their goal IS to shutdown the game, it makes sense to remove the servers of the region with the largest playerbase.
Yes, I suppose that's true, though if that's their goal, there are better, less damaging, and more financially beneficial ways to go about it.
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Posted September 16 2014 - 05:16 PM

View Postticklemyiguana, on September 16 2014 - 05:05 PM, said:

View PostIareDave, on September 16 2014 - 05:02 PM, said:

View Postticklemyiguana, on September 16 2014 - 04:31 PM, said:

The point of the post is to state that if that is what they are doing, they would be doing it with another server region first so that they can still have some income coming in, as opposed to alienating their largest playerbase.
I understand what you're saying, but you're missing the point of my point of my post. If their goal IS to shutdown the game, it makes sense to remove the servers of the region with the largest playerbase.
Yes, I suppose that's true, though if that's their goal, there are better, less damaging, and more financially beneficial ways to go about it.
But again,why paying money for empty servers?I dont mind what they are doing,if its only to make some budget for further development :)

Edited by Odinous, September 16 2014 - 05:16 PM.


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Posted September 16 2014 - 05:24 PM

Welp, If the game is fading out slowly now, minus well send it out with a bang! :lol:

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Posted September 16 2014 - 05:36 PM

Guys I think its just to rebalance the population. Limit the amount of servers and it will force people to play in their own regions. It was just kind of a self fulfilling prophecy since most of the playerbase would be in USE, so everyone would flock to USE.

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Posted September 16 2014 - 06:39 PM

View PostFstroke, on September 16 2014 - 05:36 PM, said:

Guys I think its just to rebalance the population. Limit the amount of servers and it will force people to play in their own regions. It was just kind of a self fulfilling prophecy since most of the playerbase would be in USE, so everyone would flock to USE.

That'd be fine, except USE had about the right amount of servers running. Now there is too little. It doesn't help that regions like Aus have 0 servers and that most people are playing on USE because thats where the people are.

If they released an update now they would have to add servers... so restricting the amount of servers in order to spread people is unlikely. HWK would be better to match you to the closest server region by default instead of USE being default because new players are probably just auto-matching.

Edited by Zycon, September 16 2014 - 06:51 PM.


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Posted September 16 2014 - 09:24 PM

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Posted September 18 2014 - 07:08 AM

View PostFstroke, on September 16 2014 - 05:36 PM, said:

Guys I think its just to rebalance the population. Limit the amount of servers and it will force people to play in their own regions. It was just kind of a self fulfilling prophecy since most of the playerbase would be in USE, so everyone would flock to USE.

This right here makes the most sense to me. However, if that was the actual plan behind cutting back USE servers - it makes no sense to not inform the community of this. Can totally see why they'd want everyone playing in their own regions - so that they can see which ones are actually sustainable for the future - smart thing to do really ...

BUT IF WE DON'T KNOW THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO ADH - EVERYONE WILL JUST KEEP WAITING FOR A SPOT TO OPEN IN US-E GAMES!! DUH!!

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Posted September 18 2014 - 08:00 AM

Yeah, it makes sense as a rebalancing move, but at the same time, folks with stilted-ass mmr can't join anything because there aren't enough servers to allow that one weird outlier game to slowly crop up.

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Posted September 18 2014 - 08:07 AM

We are all speculating here, but atleast try to make an educated guess when you do.

Have you read my post:What Do We Know About The "Technical Debt" https://community.pl...bt/#entry569414

Hawken original used Amazon Servers and installed Virtual machine copies of the game.  That was how they were able to setup shop in countries like the Australia, UK, Brazil, etc.

[HWK]HUGHES has been cryptic about the "Technical Debt" but if you gather all the clues that he's said about the Tech Debt, I think it's obvious that he is saying that their original decision to use Amazon's Cloud Compute Servers was a bad idea.  Correcting this "platform decision" by making changes has "ripple effects across the company".  

Now that they are migrating away from the Amazon servers, of course that would affect the number of servers available.  The AU servers being taken down are also a result of the migration.

I like what the other Player said about server population.  If we all played in the appropriate regions then I think Hawken allocated the appropriate number of servers.  Whatever the case, they can always add more.

The Company has gone silent, but by no means do I think this game is dying.

I believe they are trying to decide a new direction for the company to address attacking new players and player retention.

Oh and who said they have run out of money?  How fast can you spend 28 plus Millions of Dollars in 2 years?

Edited by BurnsHot, September 18 2014 - 08:13 AM.


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Posted September 18 2014 - 08:57 AM

We can always play on the Central servers.  I have not played on them for awhile, so I wonder how well my ping will be.  I do have to say that I had a few days where my ping was 12-16 on USE.  Which is pretty low if you ask me.  Does anyone know what the ip address is of the server that are online?  It would be interesting to see if each region's servers are in the same location or if they were split between different computer rooms.  Being at Amazon and some new hosting facility.  It could also be that they have a long term contract with Amazon so they have to keep some of the server in a region.  Might be a reason why the AUG server are offline, contract ran out and trying to find a new hosting facility.

Guess all we can do at this point is play were servers are located.  What happens happens and we can't stop it or change it.  Well we could change it if we had enough money to invest or buy Hawken.  I for one don't have that kind of money sitting around  :)  Anyone friends with Bill Gates?

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Posted September 18 2014 - 09:18 AM

View PostBurnsHot, on September 18 2014 - 08:07 AM, said:


[HWK]HUGHES has been cryptic about the "Technical Debt" but if you gather all the clues that he's said about the Tech Debt, I think it's obvious that he is saying that their original decision to use Amazon's Cloud Compute Servers was a bad idea.  Correcting this "platform decision" by making changes has "ripple effects across the company".


Heres the greatest speculation there ever was.  The "Tech Debt" is actually refering to they are secretly removing the Technician from the game, which I as many have sought after for a long while.  This is the real Tech Debt they have :).  its about the Tech, and the Debt is what they owe to the playerbase :).  Mystery solved.

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Posted September 18 2014 - 11:23 AM

Chew on this quote from the old CEO of Meteor:

"We went global with HAWKEN on the first day of our Beta. And what made that possible is the resizable compute capacity cloud we’ve built. Our cloud reduces the time to obtain and boot new game server instances to minutes, allowing us to quickly scale capacity, both up and down, as concurrent player numbers change. And that changes the economics of game servers by allowing us to pay only for capacity that we actually use."

They had high hopes but it didn't work as well as they hoped.  They are now "migrating databases which includes new software and new hardware" and now have an external "strike team" in place to do this.

Things are going on behind the scenes folks.  They just are not willing simply come out and tell us what it is.

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Posted September 18 2014 - 12:35 PM

Ever since the reduction of the servers in the USE region, I noticed I now have an identical ping on East, West, and Central.  And its now worse on the East but better in the other two regions.  Weird.
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Posted September 18 2014 - 12:40 PM

I still get 20ms central and either 48or 82 ms East.
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