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[Snoof]

As an alpha player i have become quite fond of the Bruiser, then it went away which forced me to consider an infiltrator, now it is back and my life feels like it has a purpose again. Loading up Hawken i read the patch notes to find that my baby was back in action, i was overjoyed to finally have my favorite weapons/ability combo come back, after spending a few minutes tweaking my bruiser i eagerly hit DEPLOY and jumped straight into action.
And then the disappointment hit me in the face like a drunk buddy holding a stale fish at your birthday party. First off let me say that i sort of understand (said understand, still not accept ) these changes, considering that the Bruiser was quite the menace in Alpha, NOW however the bruiser is 100% useless unless no1 is paying attention to you, which is never the case because you can hear the Vulcan yelling "HEY GUYS LETS HAVE A PARTY VROOOOOOOOM" from half a map away, now dont get me wrong i absolutely LOVE the way the new vulcan sounds, but the HEAT buildup is retarded at best, DOUBLE the heat increase is just not funny when you pair it with hellfires, oh and speaking of which..... why can i no longer curve my rockets around corners by yanking the camera instantly after the lock, i was able to do that in the alpha, fire the rockets javelin style after locking on to avoid obstacles was the bread and butter of my bruiser, but now the lockon is lost almost immediately after looking away, sometimes i am able to curve a single load of hellfires (it fires 2 loads per shot if you remember) but the 2nd one will just go straight, not to mention the atrocious damage they now do, instead of hitting an A class mid-fight and making him run like hell was priceless, but now they just eat Hellfires like i eat my GF's box, all while getting showered with the Vulcan. Oh and you think that isnt enough_ What about the fact that everytime i try to activate my ability to reduce some damage and allow me to (Arnold throws the knife) "stick around" a bit longer i get an annoying sound of my ability NOT activating, and this is no ordinary bug yaknow, i rebooted ,reinstalled and reraged sufficient enough for a bug to go away but to no avail.
I dont know why Meteor has killed the bruiser as we knew it, oh and dont say its for the balancing purposes, because if you do i will just taunt you with how faceroll the Rocketeer has become with it's "seeking" abilities.
Not a happy panda after that to be honest, but hopefully Meteor will fix this somehow. Someone get Scapes to talk to them he seems to have a lot more sense in him than the majority of other DEVs and MODs

[Avlaen]

I manage to arc the hellfires 90% of the time both volleys the point-D was nerfed more harshly than it deserved try using the SMG i find it much better, and on the launcher it says they fixed his ability so thats good, give him another try maybe_ hes my favourite mech

[Snoof]

I will never give up on my Bruiser, regardless of how messed up they made it, and i dont wanna use a SMC, it's intimidation factor sucks badly, it is bland and unexciting to use, besides....... you got a freakin minigun lol, and arcing hellfires isnt the same as curving or javelin-shooting, which is where my interest stands at, the lock-on should persist permanently unless the target mech has left my FOV, otherwise it doesnt make sense

[exray]

I think this game is pretty good without having stuff that shoots around corners.

Don't understand why you think you should be able to.

[Chouzin]

Vulcan heat generation was reduced.

Edit: Hmm... actually seems like it's still same 7 seconds...

Edited by Chouzin, November 22 2012 - 01:05 AM.

[D3thpool]

Got a Bruiser to lev7 but i began to feel that this mech is dragging behind the others.
damage-wise the bruiser feels unrewarding, comparing to lets say a assault.
The ability seems to work now (kinda) but the effect is weak imo, atleast i cant really feel a difference in a firefight.

cant stick my finger to the problem but i feel that the bruiser is cetainly one,if not the weakest mech overall atm.

Edited by D3thpool, November 22 2012 - 07:07 AM.

[Dreizehn]

I played a Bruiser to Level 8. I'm rolling back to Brawler now, since I much prefer being an aggressive indomitable chunk of meat that rolls people over in close quarters.

The Bruiser however was fairly interesting to play with. The combination of close quarters firepower and long ranged burst damage was a contrasting mix. It was frankly quite lacking at any one range, and specialist machines will tear it apart. But I managed to win a few DMs with it by being extremely opportunistic.

I found the key to winning duels with the Bruiser was to bounce in and out constantly. Hose them close with the Vulcan, back off, take a second to cool and quickly lock and drop the missiles. The key to locking on is to grab a lock as they dash - when the missiles fly they'd be recovering and will take a fuzzy bunny load of damage. Also getting the first strike with the Hellfires shifts the battle heavily in your favour.

The Vulcan is a heaty SOB, but has a DPS advantage over its kin. Hose them up close, evade and take cover to cool off. So that when you are attacking, you're making use of it. Also works in line with utilizing the Hellfires in between up close heaty bullet hosing.

The Bruiser is a balanced machine. It's capable of fire support and suppression and close up hurt. The idea is the mix and match your strengths according to your foes. Up against Assaults_ Try to strike them first with Hellfires and maintain a fair distance using them. Hose them up close when they are weakened to seal the deal, though watch out for TOWs. They can fire for longer than you can, but you can slap them hard first and your bullets hurt more when you are firing and hitting.

Rocketeers_ You can dodge their Hellfires better than they can dodge yours. Close the gap, hose them down up close.

Light classes_ Get good at keeping on your target, hose them down. You're not so slow that their agility is a big disadvantage, and the blistering ROF of the Vulcan is hard to avoid. Haven't met many Scouts yet, but I haven't had trouble hosing down Infiltrators and berserkers.

Brawlers though I found were pretty hard to outduel. The Flak Cannon being way too dangerous to counter with the Vulcan. Hellfires being rather insufficient by themselves.

Also if you simply just don't like the Vulcan, the SMC is a decent weapon. And makes the Bruiser fairly good at hounding and suppression, the SMC capable of firing for a pretty long time before overheating.

I wasn't in the Alpha so I can't compare, but I've had fairly decent results with the Bruiser thus far.

[Darkbuddah]

Agreed that the bruiser are weaker now than alpha! That was my favorite anti-assault in alpha 2, those hellfire curve a lot better and they do a lot off dammage. Now i loose almost all my duel ... bruiser has become more like "little rocketter" merely support fire role.
I got a feeling that hellfire turne tighter now, have more hit propability but those hit just dont do anything good. The same go for the vulcan bb's launcher vzzz brrrrrrrrr 10.000 rounds of 5.56 again Abraham

In open battlefield the bruiser arent too bad, when you have room to move around and maintain constant fire at the enemy but in corridor you got busted befor the vulcan even get hot

[Crimson_Corsair]

I have to say two or three bruisers popping damage resist can be a formidable wall of hurt. Tanking+Hellfire splash+Vulcan=winning.

[NotAnExit]

I think a small mobility boost would go a long way with the bruiser.

[Snoof]

Ok so since they've added Australian (local for me) servers i have noticed that i can arc hellfire a heck lot better than before which makes my previous statement redundant since it was the lag, oh and the heat "reduction" is bull*%@# because i still cannot sustain a nice long satisfying burst of the minigun in a fight, which is sad, as i like miniguns..... they..... kill.....people....

[Decoy101x]

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