Tomino_sama, on March 17 2013 - 08:22 AM, said:
The above is a valid definition of Pay to Win. I did not coin that definition first - I abbreviated yours
Here's the thing though. You've been arguing from a different definition of P2W. If we observe the way you've used it in context, you have implied P2W to mean an overwhelming advantage.
That differs from what I've been describing, which is a small advantage gained only through a pay-barrier that does not guarantee a win.
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You and Beemann are actively pushing for this, despite lack of support. You are a popular Character here so instead of campaigning like you have been, calling everyone else ignorant etc. So that is how it is a popularity contest. In other words, despite the popularity you enjoy, everyone didn't automatically vote your way. You seem upset that so many of us in this thread do not agree, yet you fight back relentlessly.
I could give you credit for sticking to your Guns, but you are coming off Stubborn now.
1. 40+ people = Lack of support_
2. I have called people ignorant, because by definition, they have been acting as such. Pointing out that they're being silly because they're relying on logical fallacies does not mean I'm trying to win a popularity contest. If I were trying to win a popularity contest, I wouldn't act in such an abrasive manner.
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Also. Where did you answer any points_ You dismissed them as irrelevant or told people to go get educated first_
You make the claim that I just dismiss them, but that's not true. Hell, even look at the alternate proposals. In most cases, I don't outright say they wouldn't work. I just point out reasons why they wouldn't work as well or flaws in them.
As for the “Educate yourself” comment. That was justified.
You made the claim that screenshots I took were low quality and pixelated. You completely and totally ignored the FACT that they were taken at 1920x1080 resolution on Ultra/Ultra settings and were not altered or resized beyond cropping and blurring of names.
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Feel free to Prove your Theory first. I came in here and asked you to provide proof. All you did was the minimum and a very unsafe test too. You must know about the fairness of experiments_ well yours did not meet that definition. Nice attempt at propaganda to suit your theory though.
1. Look at the poll. 47 people have voted in favor, which means that it’s highly likely they agree that the issue exists.
2. People who are against this proposal have admitted it’s a valid concept.
3. Look through the thread and notice how many people purposefully use this because it does work.
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Just because you continously ignore these FACTS, does not make them invalid.
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In the end I actually provide Live Video from gameplay illustrating the Pointlessness of identifying mechs Visually
Your test is nothing more than you joining a public match and setting up no controls at all. What’s your method of testing_ How do you analyze the results_ What’s the process you use to test_
All your video demonstrated is that you don’t understand the circumstances of when it’s an issue, that you have no clue how to do proper testing, and that you charge in blindly without considering the consequences of doing so. The fact that you also used a Mayhem server to “test” makes it even more ridiculous. An experimental gametype that is extremely chaotic is hardly the place to hold a test.
Please don’t accuse me of “unsafe” testing methods when your idea of testing is a huge farce.
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You say I missed the point becasue "it starts before any rounds are fired"
USE TAB THEN - IT'S SO EASY
The “just use tab” concept has been addressed several times already. Please go back and reread the thread.
Rather than just repeating yourself, how about you try to actually address the counter arguments.
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To be honest AJK you are just patronising everyone here that doesn't agree with you, it's beyond belief. Why should everyone automatically agree with you_
They shouldn’t. I would be extremely disappointed if everyone did automatically agree with me.
People who are reasonable about this, are getting reasonable replies from me. However, I’m not giving people who reply and argue with logical fallacies and insults the same treatment.
Tomino_Sama said:
"I say if you are fooled by this mechanic , then you are easily fooled and need to adapt to the mechanic"
"it's pathetic - see you later."
The constant ad hominems and insults are extremely unproductive, and you have completely ignored when people have addressed your counter arguments, and repeat what you say without bothering to address them. If you're wondering why I don't treat you with respect, it's because you're doing nothing to deserve it.
Edited by AsianJoyKiller, March 17 2013 - 04:56 PM.
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