i suck so bad, it's grand to get with seasoned players and either romp or get stomped. but:
don't dare involuntarily switch me. ever.
F5 "disconnect", no Abandoning BS, i'm just gone. i'm not going back to the same que either.
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i suck so bad, it's grand to get with seasoned players and either romp or get stomped. but:
don't dare involuntarily switch me. ever.
F5 "disconnect", no Abandoning BS, i'm just gone. i'm not going back to the same que either.
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#: chown -R us ./base

"...oh great Itzamna, you shall know Us by the trail of Dead."
You're welcome. If the stats would be transferred to keep it fair (Example: I have 5/0 and the team score is 10/4 and I get force switched then I expect the teamscore to be 4/9) then I would most likely stay. But as it is now I am just wasting my time and it's really not worth it to participate in a game that is already lost.
an appealing concept. if my kills, assists, and damage/repair points all transferred together along with my mech's TEAM KILLS contribution, that might make it worthwhile to F8 on the volunteer prompt. yup, ripping that score and taking it with you--i like it.
realistically though, you'd likely just change which folks post and the flavor of the anti-involuntary switch rants.
flame war fodder, eh?
#: chown -R us ./base

"...oh great Itzamna, you shall know Us by the trail of Dead."
an appealing concept. if my kills, assists, and damage/repair points all transferred together along with my mech's TEAM KILLS contribution, that might make it worthwhile to F8 on the volunteer prompt. yup, ripping that score and taking it with you--i like it.
200 HC that you can use for mechs, internals, and items for a F8 team switch isn't worthwhile enough? But magic team score points that transfer with you during a team switch so you can see a victory endgame screen for five seconds is?
I still have this, my crowning Hawken achievement.

Ridding the world of evil, one Berzerker at a time.
200 HC that you can use for mechs, internals, and items for a F8 team switch isn't worthwhile enough? But magic team score points that transfer with you during a team switch so you can see a victory endgame screen for five seconds is?
the calculation of xp, hc, data, and stats for my account has been badly broken for years, ADH couldn't fix it. after the last "update" my mmr calculates on a factor of >10x. YT video, picking up 6500mmr in one match https://www.youtube....h?v=b337cDeCUes at least bots-tdm got fixed. i've bought everything i want (and some i did just because) https://hawken.herokuapp.com/user/em1o and still have scads of HC. if i got several wins in each category every day i should get 3750 HC bonus with a positive (or maybe negative) mmr change of several thousand; a 10,532 or -3,200 mmr makes it really hard to get into matches. major reasons i play a lot of bots games.
regardless, if the game involuntarily switches me, F5 "disconnect". period.
to answer the questions: no, and yes.
i have little else as incentive to play.
edit: for HC bonus amt
Edited by EM1O, 04 November 2016 - 10:55 AM.
#: chown -R us ./base

"...oh great Itzamna, you shall know Us by the trail of Dead."
the calculation of xp, hc, data, and stats for my account has been badly broken for years, ADH couldn't fix it.
That does certainly suck.
However, I think that's a selfish reason (which you're entitled to) to want to get Reloaded to change team switching mechanics so that a switched player brings their team kills with them. It's important to note that for as many times as this change would help you achieve victory, there's going to be an equal amount of times a teammate being switched will cause you to lose. I almost guarantee you that this change will not affect the number of wins you earn get, but it will increase the number of BS wins and losses you get.
That mechanic could also end matches prematurely because someone switched with 10 kills, and that +10 point bonus to the other team gives them the 40 they need to win for having done nothing more than having fewer players than the other team. Furthermore, it also opens the possibility of abuse - a party of two or three players on the same team can all intentionally leave and force at least one teamswitch, thus granting that team a instantaneous and frankly BS multiple point bonus. Granted, that wouldn't necessarily benefit anyone, but it can be used to troll.
I think that's why ADH / Reloaded hasn't implemented such a mechanic. Making it so that team kills transfer upon switching essentially screws over the teammates you left and throws a middle finger towards the support they gave you so you could accumulate those kills you are taking with you.
You already take literally every other statistic with you upon team switch, so I say that we leave out a change that would also switch the one statistic that would affect every other player in the server. We avoid a lot of the problems I just mentioned by not implementing that system.
Edited by TheButtSatisfier, 04 November 2016 - 11:52 AM.
Just my way to demonstrate how dumb teammates can be. I really didn't expect someone to claim my joke a mistake. I don't really have to tell you what I actually intended to say with this but, ugh. Thanks captian obvious. Furthermore, I am going to save some effort and won't explain anything.
Like really, dafuq ...
Looks like instead of demonstrating how "dumb" your teammates are (or should I say the unfortunate players that get stuck with you on their team) you demonstrated it on yourself by confusing and combining two mutually exclusive situations.
The only joke I see is you trying to cover it all up by saying its was a joke after the fact.
BTW, Captain is spelled "Captain", that much should be obvious.
Like really, dafuq ... lol.
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fuzzy bunny you CZeroFive
I could potentionally say that teammates are so dumb and go for kills in Siege or MA. The opposite would be going for objectives in TDM. Hence the phrase but think what you want. My time is too precious to spend typing regarding this.
Furthermore the situation is the following:
- Force switches results in me leaving.
- TDM is about noob farming (random matches).
- Teammates can be incredibly dumb.
- There are alot of carebears here.
- I am good enough to seperate from my team, let them die and go solo noob farming.
- I use my teammates as personal shield if I wish.
- Win/Loss is determined by the amount of noobs in a team before the match started.
- Actual content of a discussion is not altered by its way it is presented and not more/less of value.
So what is my suggestion? I repeat myself over the years: Remove the matchmaker. We have not enough players. Remove MMR restrictions. Add the team switch button again. Custom teams are always better and more fun.
The whole mathmaker balance idea was doomed anyways as Hawken is still in beta and has not enough players to cover a wide range of MMR levels.
Additionally loadout currently makes it easy for newbies to compete with vets in a 1v1 (Assault v X-Mech) but have no idea about the actual basic mechanics of the game. Certain manouvers are simply not available which means they can get easily outplayed by a decent team. Noobs usually behave passively, which means they have no real use for the team other than a supportive role.
With that in mind imagine a team of 5 passive and 1 active player. The passive players would all try to imitate the active player's moves but this won't work as some playstyles and modes require split up teams (such as MA), getting easily outplayed while not even shooting.
Same for siege. Almost no knowledge about counter launching, effiency tanking, ship trading, etc. just a bunch of casuals looking to shoot someone while getting owned by players with intelligence.
Even in TDM basic strategies are ignored and the general awareness is simply not there. I can literally boost and shoot right next to an enemy sniper without him knowing I am there. Ah, I remember the trolling video with Apple and Rozie.
And for this reason, for this very reason, I leave matches if I am force switched into such a team. Or manipulate the MM if I wish to balance out teams. Or intentionally lower my MMR so I get one or two decent randoms in my team. Won't smurf as I don't like it.
TL;DR: The problem is a low player pool which results in stupidly unbalanced match ups with noob stacking just being cannon fodder for the opponent team. The solution could be to temporarily remove the MM and allow for custom team setups until Hawken has ALOT more players.
But for now, gimme mah mech back, Reloaded.
Edited by CrimsonKaim, 04 November 2016 - 02:40 PM.
- Sitting next to the sound box in Last Eco -
TL;DR: The problem is a low player pool which results in stupidly unbalanced match ups with noob stacking just being cannon fodder for the opponent team. The solution could be to temporarily remove the MM and allow for custom team setups until Hawken has ALOT more players.
Removing matchmaking and MMR restrictions for the general public won't solve the problem of being stuck with players you label as dumb and unqualified, in fact it would make it much worse. It would make matches open to even more of an MMR spread resulting in even more newer players being thrown in with competent ones. So you want an example of a dumb idea, thats a dumb idea, and it doesn't solve your complaint.
For them to reinstate the team switch button is another dumb idea, why, because you are the type of individual that would team switch to the winning team just to pad your win stats. Its the same situation as you disconnecting before a loss after being forced switched.
So CZeroFive, add the disconnect command in the console to the blacklist please, so asshats like this can't abuse the system and pad their glorious profile stats anymore.
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fuzzy bunny you CZeroFive
TL;DR: The problem is a low player pool which results in stupidly unbalanced match ups with noob stacking just being cannon fodder for the opponent team. The solution could be to temporarily remove the MM and allow for custom team setups until Hawken has ALOT more players.
tl;dr The problem is not a low player pool, it's your enormous ego. Your brain has developed a defensive mechanism of leaving when the going gets tough, to preserve your exorbitant sense of self-esteem. Instead of telling yourself "I need to get better", you go ahead and leave, blaming your teammates for being "dumb" and "useless". You call it "leave", but it's just an euphemistic way to say "give up".
You also throw around the word "dumb" referring to underperforming pilots, which is incredibly insensitive. Not all players are out there to be competitive. The next time you call someone "dumb" or "useless", remember:
Just because they underperform doesn't mean they're not trying. And if they're not trying, they might have a reason.
Going back to the ego thing, I have some bad news for you: you're not as good as you think. Definitely above average, but you've never been at the top, and you won't get there until you shed your delusion and get to like a challenge.
tl;dr The problem is not a low player pool, it's your enormous ego. Your brain has developed a defensive mechanism of leaving when the going gets tough, to preserve your exorbitant sense of self-esteem. Instead of telling yourself "I need to get better", you go ahead and leave, blaming your teammates for being "dumb" and "useless". You call it "leave", but it's just an euphemistic way to say "give up".
You also throw around the word "dumb" referring to underperforming pilots, which is incredibly insensitive. Not all players are out there to be competitive. The next time you call someone "dumb" or "useless", remember:
- It can be an entirely new player not familiar with the game's mechanics
- It can be a small kid having fun on his or her big bro's PC
- It can be a dude from a poor Indian family, playing plastic Hawken at 20 fps on this old, barely functioning 13" laptop
- It can be a firefighter completely exhausted after a 15-hour shift who just wants to relax by blasting robots
- It can be a person with a physical or mental disability, such as, for example, a quadriplegic who uses a special mouth controller.
Just because they underperform doesn't mean they're not trying. And if they're not trying, they might have a reason.
Going back to the ego thing, I have some bad news for you: you're not as good as you think. Definitely above average, but you've never been at the top, and you won't get there until you shed your delusion and get to like a challenge.
Totally agree on my ego. TBH I exclusively do that in Hawken.
However, any disadvantage (let it be plastic Hawken or a small bro's performence) is ignored by me. I only look at the result.
For example if player 1 scores 20/3 with ease compared to a player 2 who scored 16/13 with ALOT of effort then I rather prefare player 1 due to better KDR.
Same if player 1 scroes 7/4 with ease (aka not really trying) compared to player 2 scoring 14/3 with ALOT of effort then I prefare player 2 due to better KDR.
It's simple as that. I don't care about problems a player might have. Everyone got issues including internet, laptop, being unexperienced, etc.
Additionally, in a match where I can join (which is a little higher MMR range) I expect players to know the basics of the game ... unless I am thrown into a 1400 MMR server by the MM but then it is so easy to carry that it isn't fun anymore.
Tell me what you want. Tell me I have an ego and I say I agree, I don't care as this is irrelevant just it is irrelevant what 'issues' each player has behind the screen. Shall I care for each random player I get matched up with? Is today's society not strong enough to get their lives together on their own? That's so not my business.
Play the game and if anyone performs so badly that I assume they are trolling or feeding (as of being extremely bad) then you know what I gonna do.
How many years am I here now? Almost 4 years and during these 4 years any attempt to tell me how to behave correctly was nothing more than wasted effort and time. Believe it or not, I certainly know what is right or wrong but I simply don't do always what is considered right.
I can really understand any leaver in Hawken or any other game. Don't get me wrong, I also do report leavers but that's like breaking a rule. If one can live with the consequences then it's okay.
And going back again to my ego thing: I have never claimed I am the top. I am certainly good and can do alot of stuff in Hawken but do not stand a chance against the 3k MMR club. I use EOC Infil without AC and all the unrealistic internals (if my mech would be in my garage, tho ...) because I like to. OR Slug Repear to make these 1-2 combos. If I wanted to tryhard I'd go Flak Brawler, Assault or Re-Flak Raider. But I use EOC Raider and I suck at it. And if I do suck at it then my teammates have every right to blame me as I am resposible for their loss.
I do blame my teammates because I don't mind to be blamed.
Also I am not playing Haken at the moment. The last time I played was months ago. I don't play because of dumb teammates (and some design reasons which go back to ADH) so what's the deal anyways?
A question, though. What do you want to hear from me? I do what I want in this game and basically in every other game as well. Take Elite for example. If someone annoys me I simply shoot them, they pay the rebuy cost and they are gone. I win. You know, I know, we know I am not a teamplayer in this game ... atleast when it comes to random match ups. However, even without being a teamplayer I manage to do my job and contribute to the team score. Anyone who is not capable of doing this or needs a team to survive is most likely cannon fodder on their own. Hence my blames.
Oh, how is EPA doing btw? Apart from the trolling EPA was a good player. And here again. I rather prefare EPA in my team than anyone who has a bad KDR in TDM.
Edited by CrimsonKaim, 05 November 2016 - 01:10 AM.
- Sitting next to the sound box in Last Eco -
I would prefer a calm noob i can communicate to instead of a mad troll even if he knows how to play. So you leave games. Ok no problem. But EPA actively tries to ruin them. Let's say you join a game and there's EPA on your team feeding like mad talking about terrorists etc. You stay in that case? I guess if you can keep up he is a much better shield compared to a nub BUT matchmaker in a million years would not be able to calculate this random behaviour.. just sayin.
Maybe it's a scrimbot problem. When people were able to check their mmr it suddenly became a big deal.
I would prefer a calm noob i can communicate to instead of a mad troll even if he knows how to play. So you leave games. Ok no problem. But EPA actively tries to ruin them. Let's say you join a game and there's EPA on your team feeding like mad talking about terrorists etc. You stay in that case? I guess if you can keep up he is a much better shield compared to a nub BUT matchmaker in a million years would not be able to calculate this random behaviour.. just sayin.
Maybe it's a scrimbot problem. When people were able to check their mmr it suddenly became a big deal.
Well before scrimbot your MMR was displayed. Still remember the old GUI? :P
But to answer your question: No, I would leave if EPA (or anyone) would be trolling hard. As said, I don't make a difference between players and people. I see them as resources. The result is the only thing that matters. It is not fun for me to be in a team with underperforming players, trolls or feeders in which case I leave. Take the best player in Hawken. If he/she plays good I stay. If he/she plays incredibly bad (for whatever reason) I leave. I'd do the same with everyone random.
- Sitting next to the sound box in Last Eco -
I bet you're some kind of manager executive type.
The journey is the better part for me at least and adjusting my goals if things ain't going my way. I guess that is what EPA does in an extreme sort of way
lol
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Edited by dorobo, 05 November 2016 - 06:55 AM.
My time is too precious to spend typing regarding this.
hahahhahahahahahahaha
Here we go again.. as much as I hate slicing up the community (~66 people online on PC as I type this), maybe RLD should just fire up a few MMR-unlocked servers with heavy disconnect/rage quitting, suicide-ing, AFK-ing, and other undesirable behavior penalties, label these servers as "competitive" servers and enforce all these cool-down / temp ban ideas people have had over the years.. Though, all XP/HC rewards should be the same between the two.
That way, everyone who's hardcore, never quit a match, and can't stand all this "pleb" nonsense can play there and all the "filthy casuals" can play on the regular servers without any draconian punishments or expectations.. you know so RLD doesn't risk losing any more active players and hurting the concurrent player count any more than has already been done.
THIS MOSES OVER HERE
Maybe voluntarily quitting a match causes a 50 mmr drop as a penalty. - you know - because obviously you cant hack it and need to play with lesser players.
INTERNETS ARGUMENT! GOGO MOAR!!
Maybe voluntarily quitting a match causes a 50 mmr drop as a penalty. - you know - because obviously you cant hack it and need to play with lesser players.
INTERNETS ARGUMENT! GOGO MOAR!!
To be serious for a moment this is just a joke
I'd argue for the exact opposite. Every time you quit, you should take a 50 MMR INCREASE as a penalty. People generally quit because they think they are losing because they are the only good player on the team and deserve better. F.I.N.E. Give it to them - let's see how good they think they are when they start getting persistently matched with players who are actually as good as the quitter perceives themselves to be.
I like this. The frequent offenders eventually wouldn't be able to find a match.
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