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So this is a question for mainly the devs, but also anyone and everyone who knows what is still left of the hawken of the ye olden days.

 

Whether it be:

The old hud

The old training map

The old tuning point system

etc.

 

it would be lovely to know what still exists, and if they're just there for looks (i.e. no possible way of bringing them back without practically rebuilding them) or if there is some way to bring certain good parts back.

 

Edit: And if so, how easy would it be to modify some of those things, because we all know the tuning point system was broken.


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afaik the tuning points exist internally like ADH has stated in the past

 

old HUD and old training grounds still work if you have the old game files, which I assume (I am no expert here) that you could "take" stuff from there.  But from what I remember Hughes saying, for devs to reimplement that stuff, they'd have to rebuild it.

 

I could be totally wrong about the HUD stuff though.


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There was a time when someone was planning to run old builds and host that version on server? but that was like a year ago and I guess it didn't work.



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The old HUD is long gone.  They didn't draw it the same way as they do now.  Now its a fully 3D cockpit with the FPV (first person view) camera positioned where your head would be in the seat.  With the new hud when Rift used to work you could pivot around and look at things behind you, or the empty pizza box on the floor.  The reticule, heath and fuel are overlays now.

 

I'm sure the training map exists, but I don't think its included in the current game files.  I'd have to dig through my archive to find the internal map name and see if it still exists and honestly I just can't be bothered to take 5 minutes to look for any reason anymore.

 

The tuning points still exist, its just the UI where you could modify them has been removed.  Makes me wonder if those tuning points are still a structure on our accounts, if so, they might even be modifiable if you had the means, which would give you an advantage.  I'd be interesting to see everything that our accounts contain.


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Unfortunately I think the "old" build was lost awhile ago. But that doesn't mean they can't bring certain things back from the old build i.e. option to use the old hud and the new one. While they could also make changes like the old build, like bringing back accuracy being affected by air hovering. The old build may be gone but that doesn't mean they can't make changes to mimic the old build.


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The biggest part of the old build that I would love to see re implemented was the point bases, maybe ontop of internals, but being able to heat sink the fuzzy bunny outta your tech etc etc,

 

though this thread does have me curious as to what could be done in the means of a "Retro" server


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You still can login to the old build before steam not much you can do in there tho, other then play the training map. btw on the training map you have the old HUD 


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You still can login to the old build before steam not much you can do in there tho, other then play the training map. btw on the training map you have the old HUD 

 

Is this true ? links pls


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You still can login to the old build before steam not much you can do in there tho, other then play the training map. btw on the training map you have the old HUD 

 

 

Is this true ? links pls

 

 

I wanna play the old training map!


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I still remember ADH claiming that the old HUD is incompatible with the 'new' code but still works for older versions (obviously). 

 

The old files are either still located in the original files as long as you haven't uninstalled it once (like I did a couple of times) so you could just grab them

 

And additionally I think I have seen some download link of older files but no guarantee that I haven't dreamed about that.

 

 

 

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You still can login to the old build before steam not much you can do in there tho, other then play the training map. btw on the training map you have the old HUD


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So we can all still agree that there were a good few things about the old hawken that were better than the current hawken yes?


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So we can all still agree that there were a good few things about the old hawken that were better than the current hawken yes?


Having never played old hawken, judging from what I've seen and others have said, immersion/feel of the game was fantastic but most other things like actual gameplay are better now.

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I still remember ADH claiming that the old HUD is incompatible with the 'new' code but still works for older versions (obviously).


It is incompatible, because the way they wanted the Rift to be implemented meant that when you pivot your head the overlay remained stationary. There was also a significant performance loss attributed to the old HUD.

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There was also a significant performance loss attributed to the old HUD.

 

I dare to say that ADH faield at this part. I still get 60+ FPS on maximum settings with old HUD and with the new HUD and my GPU wasn't even the best back then. However, it sometimes lags on Prosk to 5 FPS, no matter the settings.

 

But yeah, I generally say ADH failed at quite everything so blame me for my negativity lol.


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You still can login to the old build before steam not much you can do in there tho, other then play the training map. btw on the training map you have the old HUD 

Does anyone know how to do this? like where to get the stuffs needed?


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Does anyone know how to do this? like where to get the stuffs needed?


You need a copy of pre Ascension Hawken. You run the .exe and log in normally. Launch training map, only way to "play" with "old Hawken."

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You need a copy of pre Ascension Hawken. You run the .exe and log in normally. Launch training map, only way to "play" with "old Hawken."

 

Yes, but where do we get a copy of pre-ascension hawken?


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Yes, but where do we get a copy of pre-ascension hawken?

It should not be for widespread public use. Pre-ascension builds still have the game outrightly displaying one's MMR, something ADH explicitly removed from the average consumers' eyes. Are there other community created ways to see your MMR currently? Yes, but that's not the point.

Not to mention the training map is the only way for you to play the old build. Can't connect to a PvP match, not even anything Co-op. Mechs that were not released at the time, or even the weapons/items/internals/abilities that weren't released at the time of the build (like basically all of the Predator minus bolt and EOC-R, Incinerator, etc) cannot be utilized. Can't swap weapons and stuff if you die, and even killing yourself can be a little annoying in the training zone because the zone auto-regens your health back to half, forcing yourself to out damage the heals. The bots have the worst aim ever too, laughable almost. They'll miss a point blank Flak.

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It should not be for widespread public use. Pre-ascension builds still have the game outrightly displaying one's MMR, something ADH explicitly removed from the average consumers' eyes. Are there other community created ways to see your MMR currently? Yes, but that's not the point.

Not to mention the training map is the only way for you to play the old build. Can't connect to a PvP match, not even anything Co-op. Mechs that were not released at the time, or even the weapons/items/internals/abilities that weren't released at the time of the build (like basically all of the Predator minus bolt and EOC-R, Incinerator, etc) cannot be utilized. Can't swap weapons and stuff if you die, and even killing yourself can be a little annoying in the training zone because the zone auto-regens your health back to half, forcing yourself to out damage the heals. The bots have the worst aim ever too, laughable almost. They'll miss a point blank Flak.

 

I don't see the harm in people having it. Like you said, it's fairly useless. I think it's cool and I would mess around with it for an hour or two, I'm sure many others are in the same boat.


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I do miss the good old tuning system


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Personally having never played it, cant say much about preference to old hawken, though i do like the idea of the garage being part of a training map, where you can select mechs and move about, go outside to fight drones/bots. Could be a more direct way of getting new players to do training, especially when the training modes are improved(like adding siege).


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Personally having never played it, cant say much about preference to old hawken, though i do like the idea of the garage being part of a training map, where you can select mechs and move about, go outside to fight drones/bots. Could be a more direct way of getting new players to do training, especially when the training modes are improved(like adding siege).

yeah, personally the earliest i was playing was around when they added last eco and everything was slower and tech points were a thing

 

but looking at the training map, if we had access to that. i'm just imagining a beautifully crafted cinematic like the one we currently have in hawken, but of a first person veiw of an infiltrator loading up and activating, and it rushing though the training map showing off its guns and its pzazz, only to end on it standing on the top of a cliff looking over a great battlefield, seige ships in the sky, mechs and explosions everywhere slowly zooming out of 1st person into a 3rd person veiw and having a small team boost and walk up to the sides of this infil, only for all of them to boost off the cliff in one dramatic climax aaaand Hawken logo.


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