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Hawken playerbase on steam could be affected by MWO lauch? Well of course, even being different games the genre is the same, not only that but the immersiveness of being in a giant robot is very similar. With the recent balance changes in MWO the game is very competitive, imo in a player perspective it's way more balanced than Hawken (that is a balanced game), and this can be by the big playerbase and the MM of MWO being very seletive by weight class etc... so when i say balanced i mean the experience of "fair play" while in a match, even so servers are realy bad on MWO, constant disconects and etc... the community in Hawken is also better, it's like Smite, when the community was small it was very friendly, and when people started to take the game way, way too seriously (more than their own lifes) the community became very toxic. My point is, in a comparison of both games, what makes people play MWO over Hawken? MWO has better graphics, it has more costumization and content in general, bigger maps, different roles, yada, yada, yada, but Hawken is WAY more simplistic and faster while also having a good team strategy gameplay, with better community (not so much trolls). For me Hawken has more potention on hiting the public for it's simplistic and fast gameplay, it just needs more marketing, while MWO is very restrict to players that can adapt to the game, it's 8, or 80, while allowing a more relaxed/casual play by it's "arcade" style points in gameplay and his slow pace. Why i play MWO now instead of Hawken, and for me it happens to be the final nail in Hawken's coffin in my life as a game that i kept coming back(appears, but who know what developers are planing?) because piloting that freaking Executer-D laser boat it's awesome, it's like being in the top of the world, (even if i suck on it and don't do nearly 200 damage and 2 assists LOL)

 

Also sorry for my english. My question as OP point to the community is: What makes a new player with no/not much/much experience in mech games, but that never played mwo or hawken, play MWO over Hawken in your opinion (if personal taste, for what?)? 



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I expect we might lose a couple dozen people when it hits, but because Hawken's player as now is mostly people who enjoy the game and fairly small, the hit won't be too noticeable. We're already getting people back from Fallout4.

The gameplay difference is what will make it, and the demonstrable lack of P2W. Also, the grind is much less in Hawken. Sure, you need to buy your weapons items and internals, but to get a new playable mech in Hawken takes much less time than in MWO.
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We were recently discussing the gameplay mechanics of MWO in relation to Hawken. I'd be very interested to see if there's a measurable and significant shift in our population during MWO's Steam release. Hopefully it spurs healthy discussion and debate.


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mwo and hawken are totally different at their very core. The ONLY reason that this discussion is happening is mechs. From a gameplay and mechanics standpoint there is no real comparison.


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mwo and hawken are totally different at their very core. The ONLY reason that this discussion is happening is mechs. From a gameplay and mechanics standpoint there is no real comparison.

 

True, but that similarity may be enough to push uninvested players in either direction.


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We're already getting people back from Fallout4.

Ha! HA!
*goes back to playing FO4*


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I seriously doubt the playerbase will take a hit. Hawken and MWO, while both niche mech games, cater to entirely different audiences.

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MWO have a brand and fans army. But it doesn't affect on hawken. It is actually a different games.
And yeah...fallout 4 is piece of fuzzy bunny ^_^
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Kompotka 3000. 2D ha?ken game: https://community.pl...ve/?hl=kompotka

Interceptor, B-Class mech concept: https://community.pl...itdefence-mech/

Challenger, C-Class mech concept: https://community.pl...ccepted-thread/

G2-Brawler, C-class mech concept: https://community.pl...pacaka-is-here/

Kinetik, B-class mech concept: https://community.pl...ass-shotgunner/

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MWO has been out for a long time already. A move to steam may spike the concurrent player number as it gets some visibility (much like Hawken saw), but I doubt it will directly pull players from Hawken.


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And yeah...fallout 4 is the best fuzzy bunny since fallout new vegas ^_^


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Anyone who thinks FO4 is better than FO3:NV needs to be chained up and dragged by a super mutant across the wasteland. And this is coming from a guy who has sunk 150 hours into FO4... and showing no signs of abating.


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And yeah...fallout 4 is the best fuzzy bunny since fallout new vegas ^_^

 

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too bad can't find anything else to do there anymore. Too bad can't run FO4 Q_Q



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too bad can't find anything else to do there anymore. Too bad can't run FO4 Q_Q

 

Play Wasteland 2. It's like a real post-apocalyptic simulator. You die A LOT.


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Kompotka 3000. 2D ha?ken game: https://community.pl...ve/?hl=kompotka

Interceptor, B-Class mech concept: https://community.pl...itdefence-mech/

Challenger, C-Class mech concept: https://community.pl...ccepted-thread/

G2-Brawler, C-class mech concept: https://community.pl...pacaka-is-here/

Kinetik, B-class mech concept: https://community.pl...ass-shotgunner/

Melter, A-class mech concept: https://community.pl...-class-support/


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lets all go on the MWO comments section and post "Hawken is better"

 

Lol


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Man I haven't participated in a good cross-forum war in a while. That'd be fun.


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Man I haven't participated in a good cross-forum war in a while. That'd be fun.

If we were to sully Hawken's reputation with one, this'd be the time.

 

Influx of players to the MWO forums would mean some new people trying out Hawken.


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I expect we might lose a couple dozen people when it hits...

That's almost everybody.


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If we were to sully Hawken's reputation with one, this'd be the time.

 

Influx of players to the MWO forums would mean some new people trying out Hawken.

the amount of people on the MWO forums is probably higher, and this place would turn to utter cancer real fast with tons of shitposting...lets do it anyways


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Some % of people (I mean mwo fans) hate hawken. They compare hawken and mwo and their logic the same "hawken is not mech simulator = sh!t" and "twitching/understandable gameplay"
You may find some old topic about hawken on their off.forum

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Kompotka 3000. 2D ha?ken game: https://community.pl...ve/?hl=kompotka

Interceptor, B-Class mech concept: https://community.pl...itdefence-mech/

Challenger, C-Class mech concept: https://community.pl...ccepted-thread/

G2-Brawler, C-class mech concept: https://community.pl...pacaka-is-here/

Kinetik, B-class mech concept: https://community.pl...ass-shotgunner/

Melter, A-class mech concept: https://community.pl...-class-support/


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All this talk about fallout makes me think of a better game that a true original when it was released: wasteland

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Some % of people (I mean mwo fans) hate hawken. They compare hawken and mwo and their logic the same "hawken is not mech simulator = sh!t" and "twitching/understandable gameplay"
You may find some old topic about hawken on their off.forum

 

Different games appeal to different people.  I left MWO for Hawken back in the CB days, loved the lack of P2W / pre-mades vs pugs /etc.  in Hawken as well as the movement system compared to MWO.  Hawken's movement system back in the CB days mind you, not a fan of what we have now.  But I could see how someone from the MWO crowd could think Hawken is purely twitch.

 

Arcade style urban mech game vs mech simulator?  If being a mech game is the deciding factor, not sure why people couldn't play both games.



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Hawken is better. As a MWO player I can vouch for this. 


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Hawken is better. As a MWO player I can vouch for this. 

 

1.) Do you still play MWO regularly?

2.) How long have you played MWO?

3.) What do you like about MWO - and it doesn't have to just be gameplay related - that you think would be neato within Hawken?


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All this talk about fallout makes me think of a better game that a true original when it was released: wasteland

 

Play Wasteland 2. It's like a real post-apocalyptic simulator. You die A LOT.

 

Have you played Wasteland 2? I played a few hours, carefully crafting my character to be the kind of dude I thought would survive. He died about three hours in.

 

Then I made another one. Died at the same spot.

 

I reconsidered my path, did a bunch of research, and tried again. I finally made it to the guy I was supposed to save. Turned out he didn't want saving, and then he fuzzy bunnyng shot everyone in my team with a revolver. Blam, blam, blam. Single shots. Everyone dead. It takes my stupid main character three shots out of a shotgun to kill something pathetic and this loser just greased my team like a casual fart.

 

I want to play it more.


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Wasteland 2 is a great game too. That first part of the game if you go to help the scientists is insanely hard. Missing shotgun blasts point blank on a radioactive rat, SAY WUT?!?!? That btw was a frustrating as hell part, that dude you try to save that just starts capping your ass. I managed to find a rocket launcher before that part and while I wanted to save said rocket, his ass needed to pay. It's great game I suggest you go back to it, literally it's much easier after that encounter.

Great story on the game too. Provides for multiple run throughs with very different play styles. You rarely find great stories on games.

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lets all go on the MWO comments section and post "Hawken is better"

 

Lol

I just did.


 

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1.) Do you still play MWO regularly?

2.) How long have you played MWO?

3.) What do you like about MWO - and it doesn't have to just be gameplay related - that you think would be neato within Hawken?

1. I recently stopped playing MWO, because... I don't know, I'm gonna keep playing

2. I began playing MWO last winter, so about a year.

3. Giant robots with guns, that's it.(also the reason I started paying Hawken). The strategic elements were very interesting, and the mechs look great, but I honestly prefer the fast gameplay of hawken. Lasers would be interesting to add to hawken, but many of the weapons in the game are hitscan compared to MWO, so I don't know how that could be implemented.


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1. I recently stopped playing MWO, because... I don't know, I'm gonna keep playing

2. I began playing MWO last winter, so about a year.

3. Giant robots with guns, that's it.(also the reason I started paying Hawken). The strategic elements were very interesting, and the mechs look great, but I honestly prefer the fast gameplay of hawken. Lasers would be interesting to add to hawken, but many of the weapons in the game are hitscan compared to MWO, so I don't know how that could be implemented.

Continuous lasers would work. I would like a little more strategy on internals in Hawken to be honest. Like all of them could have as much impact as giving you ability to air dodge.



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Continuous lasers would work. I would like a little more strategy on internals in Hawken to be honest. Like all of them could have as much impact as giving you ability to air dodge.

Yes on internals. It's brought up with some level of frequency. If Reloaded isn't aware of it at the moment, they're functionally blind. (They're aware of it.)


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Ah.. MWO launch, you actually noticed.

 

Closed Beta since mid-2012 vet here, though filled with many pauses up until i really took off in August 2014. If there is any dip, i predict it wouldn't last long due to MWO's intimidating initial learning curve made worse by still lacking in the tutorial department. 

 

 

Also, notable gameplay difference that is not here - MWO's separate leg / torso movement (ala hull / turret like World of Tanks).

This one can cause a few frustrating moments for some people, as its not a fully rotating turret like WoT, but lock to lock does at best 150 degrees, with one exception. At worst? 60 degrees. That's quite the leg shuffler.

 

Edit: Also? Better graphics? *snort* Barely, CryEngine is a mess, i'd rather play Hawken Ultra at 120 FPS than MWO Low at 30.


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Ah.. MWO launch, you actually noticed.

 

Closed Beta since mid-2012 vet here, though filled with many pauses up until i really took off in August 2014. If there is any dip, i predict it wouldn't last long due to MWO's intimidating initial learning curve made worse by still lacking in the tutorial department. 

 

 

Also, notable gameplay difference that is not here - MWO's separate leg / torso movement (ala hull / turret like World of Tanks).

This one can cause a few frustrating moments for some people, as its not a fully rotating turret like WoT, but lock to lock does at best 150 degrees, with one exception. At worst? 60 degrees. That's quite the leg shuffler.

 

Edit: Also? Better graphics? *snort* Barely, CryEngine is a mess, i'd rather play Hawken Ultra at 120 FPS than MWO Low at 30.

I have to play Hawken on plastic mode to get a solid 120 fps.  Its my worst running game, I get better frames in everything else I play.


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I get 60 fps locked with a 560ti ultra on my old desktop, that's a $50 video card now. How crappy are peoples pc's? lol

Anyways, those who haven't left Hawken or stopped playing will probably continue playing. The player population has been trending downward on it's own, and that will likely continue, with or without MWO influence.

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I get 60 fps locked with a 560ti ultra on my old desktop, that's a $50 video card now. How crappy are peoples pc's? lol

 

What specs are you running Hawken at?


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I used to run hawken at 5-10 fps on low graphics, so i'm happy running at 40 on ultra


 

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How do you guys have FPS issues

I have a 570 and get 60+ FPS on ultra

What's the big fuzzy bunnyng deal? Lots of amazing people have committed suicide, and they turned out alright.

 


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How do you guys have FPS issues

I have a 570 and get 60+ FPS on ultra

I've a 960 and a random potato as CPU.

FPS is <40 on Low because of the potato.






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