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Now we all know how easy it is to make an account for hawken, and i think we can all agree it is a tad too easy.

 

Simply put, how hard would it be to add E-mail verification to every hawken account that currently exists, if that can be done then a lot of the problems smurfs cause would be (somewhat temporarily) solved, and it would help narrow down what accounts hackers use making it (hopefully) easier to get rid of them.

 

personally i don't know much about how this is done so if you're knowledgeable on this subject then please do explain! :D


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I second this motion. It is WAAAY too easy at the moment, I created an account with @shiggmail which is a testament to the ludicrous process of validating an account, or lack thereof.

 

sadly some people do fail to complete this most simple of action, but hey, if they can't verify a damn email, they're not fit to pilot a mech.

 

edit: but let's be honest, Reloaded haven't even got a dev update out for weeks/months, so I wouldn't hold my breath.


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I had to validate my e-mail when I signed up two years ago. That isn't a thing anymore?


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I had to validate my e-mail when I signed up two years ago. That isn't a thing anymore?

nope, you could easily make an account with the email www.Bushdid9/11@buttmunch.org and the game wouldn't care less


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Well that's hilarious.


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With the ease of setting up a new Gmail account, it's not really much of a deterrent.  It just adds one additional and very minorly inconvenient step to the process.


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With the ease of setting up a new Gmail account, it's not really much of a deterrent.  It just adds one additional and very minorly inconvenient step to the process.

that dosn't mean it won't do anything i mean its something right?


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it also has potential for abuse, what if someone tried to sign up someone else just to email spam them through hawkens validator



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also gmail will ignore "." and "-" in the email address and still deliver.

you can have joe.citizen joe-citizen j.oecitizen jo.ecitizen, etc, etc and hawken would treat as individual but gmail as one mailbox.

 

I have my own domain so I can create any email on it that I want. Mucho smurfing muahahahah.

smurf1@mydomain, reapersmurf@mydomain, scoutsmurf@mydomain, etc



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no issues with legit outbound mail going into peoples spamboxes?



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10minutemail



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10minutemail

That's awesome! I gotta bookmark that.



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10minutemail



This and similar things make email verification useless. Maybe some of the particularly lazy hackers will be detered by this but most won't be..

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Make reported accounts re-verify their email address to login again.

 

Wheres your 10minute email then?



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Make reported accounts re-verify their email address to login again.

 

Wheres your 10minute email then?

 

That's a null point. Others have already pointed out that it's very easy to make new accounts with little time investment.

 

Hawken doesn't have a spam issue, and that's the kind of thing that e-mail verification takes care of. But a handful of dedicated people showing off their hacks, that's entirely different. It doesn't take much to just whip up 10 emails, register them all, and if there's a 2-day ban turnaround time then you nearly have a month's worth of accounts to roll through. That setup can take 30 minutes. Using email verification to address hackers is like taking a suppository for an earache.

 

Simply put, how hard would it be to add E-mail verification to every hawken account that currently exists, if that can be done then a lot of the problems smurfs cause would be (somewhat temporarily) solved, and it would help narrow down what accounts hackers use making it (hopefully) easier to get rid of them.

 

Wait, you are suggesting this to address smurfs in addition to hackers? How would having email verification curb smurfing?


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10minutemail

 

 

Shh. 


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Wait, you are suggesting this to address smurfs in addition to hackers? How would having email verification curb smurfing?

Allow me to gently fall on my face and break my nose because i don't completely understand everything that i am saying, if what i said seems a but much or just silly god knows i didn't notice.


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With the ease of setting up a new Gmail account, it's not really much of a deterrent.  It just adds one additional and very minorly inconvenient step to the process.

iirc a google requires you get a verification code texted to you to make an account, and they will only let you make so many accounts using the same number


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a hawken account should cost your firstborn as collateral


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a hawken account should cost your firstborn as collateral

But I don't even have a girlfriend, let alone kids

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Make reported accounts re-verify their email address to login again.

Wheres your 10minute email then?


That's a null point. Others have already pointed out that it's very easy to make new accounts with little time investment.

Hawken doesn't have a spam issue, and that's the kind of thing that e-mail verification takes care of. But a handful of dedicated people showing off their hacks, that's entirely different. It doesn't take much to just whip up 10 emails, register them all, and if there's a 2-day ban turnaround time then you nearly have a month's worth of accounts to roll through. That setup can take 30 minutes. Using email verification to address hackers is like taking a suppository for an earache.


Its not a null point, I wasn't just referring to hackers, but if a hacker can only use an account for a few days before it gets permanently closed due to being unable to re-verify then it has achieved something.

Hackers could make a new 10minute email when their account gets flagged, doesn't need to be done in bulk to get 30days worth. Re-verifying DOES force you to use a legit email or risk your account being locked out. I was just saying if a smurf/alt account got reported then they could lose their alt account if they could not re-verify. Hawken could also blanket ban the common throw away email domains.

I think email verification can help in curbing some* of the hackers and encourage people to have valid emails to make smurf accounts.
If reported hackers consistently have emails from one email domain then that can be added to the blacklist.

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every day administration and forensics are the hackers bane, it was the only way to maintain the most hacker resistant DayZ server i ran  and it was alot of work but after enough collecting matching ips/accounts making connections to their alternate identities they dropped off and almost vanished totaly for weeks then i got bored and stopped admining as much and everyone quit lol



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Reverifying all email would cause me to lose my three oldest accounts.

I moved from Phoenix to Dallas during the lifetime of Hawken.

I no longer have the email address I first signed up with as I now have a different isp.

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Shh. 

 

Dude, all of my alts are dumb stuff like butt@mailinator.com.  It's too dang easy.


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Dude, all of my alts are dumb stuff like butt@mailinator.com.  It's too dang easy.

 

All I meant was 'don't give people reading this thread any ideas they might not have otherwise had'


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All I meant was 'don't give people reading this thread any ideas they might not have otherwise had'

 

Ah, that's fair, thought you were being cheeky.


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Yes, email verification doesn't add a terrible amount of difficulty to creating a new account on Hawken... but it certainly takes 100% more effort than the current system of "Just type anything you like and you're on your way."  You actually have to create that email address (even if it's easy in Gmail) and then you actually have to get the verification and click and so forth.  At least it's 'something.'

 

But, perhaps the biggest and easiest to implement/fix deterrent to creating alt accounts would be to FIX THE BUG THAT ALLOWS PLAYERS TO INSTANTLY BYPASS THE NEW RECRUIT TRAINING AND TUTORIALS.

 

If Reloaded wants bonus points for making that both more effective at slowing down alt account creation AND giving actual new players a much better online experience, expand and improve the training/tutorials to actually give players some useful experience at how online Hawken matches are actually played.

 

Make it so that there is a full bot match tutorial for each and every game mode (especially Siege) where the player is instructed along the way and must complete certain tasks/goals and actually win the match... before they can ever join a live, online match.


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Yes, email verification doesn't add a terrible amount of difficulty to creating a new account on Hawken... but it certainly takes 100% more effort than the current system of "Just type anything you like and you're on your way."  You actually have to create that email address (even if it's easy in Gmail) and then you actually have to get the verification and click and so forth.  At least it's 'something.'

 

But, perhaps the biggest and easiest to implement/fix deterrent to creating alt accounts would be to FIX THE BUG THAT ALLOWS PLAYERS TO INSTANTLY BYPASS THE NEW RECRUIT TRAINING AND TUTORIALS.

 

If Reloaded wants bonus points for making that both more effective at slowing down alt account creation AND giving actual new players a much better online experience, expand and improve the training/tutorials to actually give players some useful experience at how online Hawken matches are actually played.

 

Make it so that there is a full bot match tutorial for each and every game mode (especially Siege) where the player is instructed along the way and must complete certain tasks/goals and actually win the match... before they can ever join a live, online match.

pretty sure it used to be this way






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