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Made 'ya look!

 

OK, are you sitting down?  I, Harmless_Kittens, crossed 1500 MMR last night!  (cue applause, streamers, confetti, release the doves, etc).  Happened after a match where I actually scored first place - 11 kills and 1 death with my Predator on the Wreckage map.

 

I took me a while, but I have finally arrived in the Hawken Elite, now joining 98.7% of the current player-base.  I can barely contain my enthusiasm.  Meanwhile my son is already at 2000 :(

 

Of course, tonight I will probably drop back into the 1400s again.  Just wanted to savor this rare achievment while it lasts.


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Made 'ya look!

 

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1956 mmr... I am stronk... Totally... totally...


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Let me show you a magic trick.

 

Use EOC, see your MMR fall down.


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I wonder if this means we can actually join each other in a match finally?  I've been trying to join you and/or invite you for months now... but I always get the "out of your fitness range" message.  :(

 

 

Let me show you a magic trick.

 

Use EOC, see your MMR fall down.

 

Funny.  Harmless Kittens mains an EOC Predator.

 

As a contrast to this, Kittens, use a Tech and watch your MMR soar.


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Yeah, I've seen MA matches that I assume you are in that are 0 Stars for me, so I can't join.

 

(And Yes, I main an EOC Predator.  I prefer the splash damage and assists I can get with it, and that I don't need to be as accurate as with Breacher.  I also like the long range "sniping" potential.  Breacher is better in a duel, but I lose most duels I am in no matter what I am using.  I do much better with the Assassin, "killing stroke", approach than a straight up battle.  I tried Breacher again last night and was terrible with it :( )


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Yeah, I've seen MA matches that I assume you are in that are 0 Stars for me, so I can't join.

 

(And Yes, I main an EOC Predator.  I prefer the splash damage and assists I can get with it, and that I don't need to be as accurate as with Breacher.  I also like the long range "sniping" potential.  Breacher is better in a duel, but I lose most duels I am in no matter what I am using.  I do much better with the Assassin, "killing stroke", approach than a straight up battle.  I tried Breacher again last night and was terrible with it :( )

 

You sir has been awarded with the Crimson's badge. Imagine it like a dark red - black badge with a "Too good for skill!" text. Literally the first gamer I have met online who struggles with hitscan but succeeds with low-speed projectiles.

 

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Those low-speed projectiles work well against stationary targets, and mechs heading straight for you but oblivious to your presence.  Even in dueling I am better with EOC now than Breacher, probably just from experience.  I "lead" my shots based on where they will be rather than where they are.  Like I say my goal is to stay cloaked at all times when not firing, so I "peek", fire, take cover, cloak again, repeat.  I also get some kills against full health snipers where the first salvo takes off half their life (or more), then they are looking around wondering where that salvo came from (during which time I am cloaked again).  Then they see no one, kneel down to heal up, and the second salvo finishes them off.  I also know the right places to lay mine traps now.  Love being on the other side of the map and seeing a "_______ Eliminated 100%" message pop up :)

 

It's just my favorite way to play Hawken right now - because if I am seen I am probably about to die.


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Made 'ya look!

 

 

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And here I thought that something with Hawken changed... like an update.. was about the check for dev notes... WHY YOU DO THOSE SUCH THINGS!


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Use Raider.
MMR rises.
Es mágico.
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I love your devotion to THE ALMIGHTY EOC kittens. All will bow to the mysteries of the blinking red light !!!
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Love the FGA tracks.... Only rival to the greatest hawken song of all time: send me an angel by real life. Your mmr going to go up 300 points MINIMUM you listen to that while playing.
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Those low-speed projectiles work well against stationary targets, and mechs heading straight for you but oblivious to your presence.  Even in dueling I am better with EOC now than Breacher, probably just from experience.  I "lead" my shots based on where they will be rather than where they are.  Like I say my goal is to stay cloaked at all times when not firing, so I "peek", fire, take cover, cloak again, repeat.  I also get some kills against full health snipers where the first salvo takes off half their life (or more), then they are looking around wondering where that salvo came from (during which time I am cloaked again).  Then they see no one, kneel down to heal up, and the second salvo finishes them off.  I also know the right places to lay mine traps now.  Love being on the other side of the map and seeing a "_______ Eliminated 100%" message pop up :)

 

It's just my favorite way to play Hawken right now - because if I am seen I am probably about to die.

 

Keep it up and we will have another all star predator in our midst. A predator is probably a tough class to be high mmr in, but an amazing class once you learn how to play it. I look forward to playing against and dying to you many times in the near future! Which account is your sons by the way? Wonder if I play against him a lot haha.


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Which account is your sons by the way? Wonder if I play against him a lot haha.

yeah i wonder that too, at a good old 1945 ish mmr i might fight him from time to time.


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Made 'ya look!

 

 

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1500?

 

i stuck on 1900 wall =.=


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I think im floating around 1600-1700 atm


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mine is merely fluctuating between 1700-1850 due to my inconsistent activity causing me to run into alot of "whoops" positioning and self dmg from catching corners 

 

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I was in that match with you. Main EOC Raider. Mmr is now 1471... I'm okay with that, at least it's going up

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I think im floating around 1600-1700 atm

Same.

I play locally (rarely) against 1800-1900s and I gain MMR.
I play USA and ping makes me disadvantaged and I lose MMR.
Compounded by suitable matches being gate-crashed by 2100mmr players due to low population.

If I could play overseas on balanced matches I might start gaining again.
If matches ran locally I could start gaining again.

Damn low population. Release a rebrand patch already and advertise it on Steam (5 weeks Josh! You said Steam Summer Sale! Clock is ticking!)
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Keep it up and we will have another all star predator in our midst. A predator is probably a tough class to be high mmr in, but an amazing class once you learn how to play it. I look forward to playing against and dying to you many times in the near future! Which account is your sons by the way? Wonder if I play against him a lot haha.

My son is Kaotic_Beaver.  He is MUCH better than me, except at Predator :)  (Not his style)


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Did he played in EU yesterday ? "kaotic_beaver" callsign reminds me something

 

BTW we are always glad to meeting in-game people from the forum, and NA players moving in EU servers.

 

Even if high ping can really be a pain in the neck.


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Well Kittens... I guess we're still just a bit too separated for joining each other once a match has really gotten underway.  If you see me online, let's try to party up or join the same empty lobby together - a 1500 and a 1900 should be able to do that.  What's killing us is when all the lower ranks join your match or all the higher ranks join mine.  It's tough being in the middle...

 

If I had any advice for improving your rank/MMR, learning new mechs and still enjoying the game, I'd try taking Hawken one Mech at a time.

 

After one mech is max rank, just pick another one, buy it, and play absolutely nothing but that mech until IT is maxed out.  I've found that the progression through the rank for a single mech is just about the same amount of time as it takes to become proficient with it.  Will you die a lot?  Oh yeah, you bet... and it'll be painful for a while.  But, when you finally hit that point of understanding with that mech, BOY! is it worth it.  And this will also help you understand how to beat that same mech in combat.


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Few tips for #tryhard :

 

don't buy a new mech if you can't have a full loadout of internals and items. Start with classic 2x EMP / 2x shields, deflectors / air compressor + 1slot and adjust after depending on your playstyle.

play a few coop TDM when you try mechs for the first time.

when you buy a new mech, try to stick with it and level it up to max level (~20~30 hours)

check-out your accuracy stats and try to increase it. If needed buy multiple times the same mech to check if you progress or not.

type "stupid bots"  in chat in coop TDM to increase the AI accuracy, can be usefull for practice.

learn not to yolo dive, to take cover after shooting with your secondary, to lead your shot with projectile weapons (don't shoot grenades where people are, but where they will be).

You may use different reticules for the different weapons. try multiple reticules and find one that helps you with aiming. 

Some mechs have primary weapons that are hard to use (rev-GL, BBY, mini-flak scout is harder to use than flak scout), be patient until you unlock the one you want and/or be prepared for hard time until you can use them efficiently

 

Don't push too hard your practice : some Mechs are just not good in all maps. for example play burst mechs in wreckage and avoid them in bunker / bazaar, in the same way avoid reaper in wreckage...

Don't try playing EOC repeater unless you wanna have fun with a crappy weapon (breacher pred, seeker rocketeer).

Also you should avoid the "cheese" : avoid playing salt too much, avoid rocketeer / sharpshooter in bunker, avoid teching an incin', avoid orblording.

Learn to play tech but for the sole purpose of playing tech if the other team has one and not your team.

Learn to play PPA incin' but for the sole purpose of being deaf and speedrunning coop bot destruction.


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MomOw, I may need a translator for some of those terms.  Yolo dive?  Salt too much?  Also, what makes EOC Repeater a "crappy" weapon?

 

Also, you say that not all mechs are good for all maps (which I have also observed), but then say uts "cheesy" to use certain mechs on certain maps?  Which is it?  (Personally I consider Air Compressor "cheesy", but thats just me.)

 

(And Yes, both my son and I will occasionally switch to EU or Asia servers if there are no US matches available, or it seems there is a cheater in the US match.)

 

Thanks for the tips.  (Regarding ping, I just don't see the big deal about it personally.)


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MomOw, I may need a translator for some of those terms.  Yolo dive?  Salt too much?  Also, what makes EOC Repeater a "crappy" weapon?

 

Also, you say that not all mechs are good for all maps (which I have also observed), but then say uts "cheesy" to use certain mechs on certain maps?  Which is it?  (Personally I consider Air Compressor "cheesy", but thats just me.)

 

(And Yes, both my son and I will occasionally switch to EU or Asia servers if there are no US matches available, or it seems there is a cheater in the US match.)

 

Thanks for the tips.  (Regarding ping, I just don't see the big deal about it personally.)

Yolo diving is running alone into an enemy team. "Salt" is slang for anger or being upset. EOC is great, he's crazy. Cheese is when a mech, or many of them, can outperform other mechs pretty easily. Rocketeer on bunker(especially with seeker) is considered "cheesy", along with Assault on Prosk, Predator on Wreckage, and more.  


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YOLO = You Only Live Once.  A Yolo dive is when a player goes into battle, balls to the wall, with no real concern for whether they live or die.

 

"Salt" is short for "Assault" in this case (I think).  He means, don't always fall back on playing (what is commonly seen as) the easiest/best mech in the game.  (Salt is also a persistently negative attitude and spewing bitterness)

 

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Forget worrying about what other people think is "cheezy" or cheap.  So what.  It's in the game and, unless it's an 'exploit', everyone has the same opportunity to use it.  When you become a high level player, you will probably develop a different sense of what standards you wish to hold yourself to.


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MomOw, I may need a translator for some of those terms.  Yolo dive?  Salt too much?  Also, what makes EOC Repeater a "crappy" weapon?

 

 

 

Yolo dive is when you rush alone in the middle of the ennemy team trying to get some kills because you think you can out-DPS at least one mech.

Usually it just ends up in an epic fail

 

Example of a yolo dive

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"playing salt too much" : to play and main assault mech. Usually done by scrublords.

"scrublords" : Scrublords are average / good players who favors playing in server with average MMR lower than their own MMR instead of trying to find more challenging games.

A fuzzy bunny is a guy that thinks he's fly, And is also known as a buster, TLC no scrubs. 

 

EOC repeater has the highest burst damage (sligthly higher than breacher), but the slow speed of the projectiles and the really low DPS of the uncharged shots make it a bad weapon in comparison with the other choice.

 

 

 

Also, you say that not all mechs are good for all maps (which I have also observed), but then say uts "cheesy" to use certain mechs on certain maps?  Which is it?  (Personally I consider Air Compressor "cheesy", but thats just me.)

 

 

 

OP mechs :

Grenadier in uptown

Sharpshooter in bazaar and bunker

Incinerator + tech everywhere

Assault everywhere

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Also, what makes EOC Repeater a "crappy" weapon?

eoc has a slow rate of fire and requires that you have good timing, predictive aim, and trace. it takes all of these for the eoc to maybe break parity (even still, probably not) with other weapons.

 

alternatively, you could run a vulcan and kill like three people before you overheat.


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 "Salt" is slang for anger or being upset. 

 

Specifically, it refers to the salinity of tears. The implication is that the "salty" player is upset to the point of crying, though in context it is often less severe. It can be used interchangeably with "annoyed" as often as "upset".


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Specifically, it refers to the salinity of tears. The implication is that the "salty" player is upset to the point of crying, though in context it is often less severe. It can be used interchangeably with "annoyed" as often as "upset".

That's what I mean, I just like to be general, like Trump. 


 

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Honestly, I still prefer "Butthurt" to "Salty".  The fact that my wife abhors the term "Butthurt" makes it even sweeter.


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I am still Laughing over this down talk of the EOC

 

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Honestly, I still prefer "Butthurt" to "Salty".  The fact that my wife abhors the term "Butthurt" makes it even sweeter.

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Butthurt is an order of magnitude above Salty.

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"playing salt too much" : to play and main assault mech. Usually done by scrublords.

Example of a scrublord:
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learn not to yolo dive


I denounce this.
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I denounce this.

 Agreed..

 

Rephrased into better advise below

 

" Learn to Yolo Drive BETTER "


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