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For a while I have been thinking about the best way to organize some sort of NA EU best on best throwdown, and I think I finally have the solution. There were a few obvious issues which needed to be addressed and I feel as though I have done so adequately enough to bring this topic to discussion.

The first and most obvious is how to resolve the ping issues. The best way to do this is to have 2 games on US east and 2 in the best European server location for NA players. If the EU team wins both of its "home games" and the NA does the same, the match will be called a tie, as ping would be the obvious determining factor. If the teams were to split in each region, a coin flip would determine the location of the final match. If the first four games go 3/1 or 4/0 then there is a clear winner.

The next glaring issue would be selecting the teams. The easiest solution would be to simply go down the MMR list and select the first 6 players, but there are a myriad of reasons that this would fail. Instead, both regions would have a volunteer captain, who would select a 7-10 man roster. The teams would be selected primarily based on MMR, but the captain would have to also consider availability and willingness to participate when making selections.

Finally, the games would be standard MA, as that is currently the most viable competitive mode.

Obviously there are some details to work out, but before doing so I thought I'd gauge interest. Thanks for your consideration and good games everybody. I'll see you on the battlefield.

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Edited by Lil Wizzy, 05 September 2015 - 05:52 AM.

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Yes please

Edited by Rainbow Sheep, 05 September 2015 - 06:15 AM.

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Obviously Australia needs to be in this


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No forum badge for the winners = no one's gonna bother. That's the most important part.


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I'd rather have games be hosted in mutually terrible regions so no fun is had by anybody, but that's just me.


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Custom eSports for Hawken. Let's all meet somewhen and somewhere and have a giant LAN party. Why not? I bring some beer!


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A proposal ? you'll need this

 

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Custom eSports for Hawken. Let's all meet somewhen and somewhere and have a giant LAN party. Why not? I bring some beer!

If you can pay for it, sure.


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Alot of EU players are still lagging quite heavily on both Amsterdam and Frankfurt servers.

It may be best to wait untill it's fixed.

EDIT: Connecting to private servers is also an issue.

 

 

No forum badge for the winners = no one's gonna bother. That's the most important part.

^ Merch/gear/badges>MC by a long shot.

Me and another teammember even rejected our part of the team's MC prize. (PT Tourney)

We didn't and still don't need it, so we gave it to the others.


Edited by (KDR) Meraple, 05 September 2015 - 07:46 AM.

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What about Africa?????


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If reloaded fixes all of the server issues this would work



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I think this would be really cool, would totally watch this. Since Eu typically prefers no AC il b interested to see how this goes with all the talented people thrown in together.


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If you can pay for it, sure.

 

The beer? It is for free! :)

 

(well I can get it for free, lol.)


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Seriously, though, the only reasonable way to battle it out between EU and NA is to have a LAN event. Everything else is gimmicky and silly.



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Seriously, though, the only reasonable way to battle it out between EU and NA is to have a LAN event. Everything else is gimmicky and silly.

 

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Alot of EU players are still lagging quite heavily on both Amsterdam and Frankfurt servers.

It may be best to wait untill it's fixed.

EDIT: Connecting to private servers is also an issue.

 

 

^ Merch/gear/badges>MC by a long shot.

Me and another teammember even rejected our part of the team's MC prize. (PT Tourney)

We didn't and still don't need it, so we gave it to the others.

I get 148 ping to USE 220 to frankfurt and I'd still play. It's just for fun. It's never going to get better than this unless you guys think we can raise tens of thousands to get a LAN event going. 


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1) We _never_ NEVER  play MA. Like seriously. Right, guys? And you quite opposite, since you league is bascially MA. That would be a little bit unfair, wouldnt it (not that i dont think its competetitive, i wish we would play ma rather than tdm).

 

2) Way of choosing team which you have described is silly. Totally. Ofc, its our problem, how to choose eu team, but it wouldnt be cool either to know that you play not against best NA team but rather team of best friends who were choosen by self called (sorry for my eng) capitan. Awkward.

 

- here is some idea- first, take look on team composition (support/tech/pusher/etc) - and then make 1v1 duel torunament among people interested in fitting that role. That might not work with techs though... Team composition would be based on some kind of discussion/polls etc for each team individually.

 

3) Like meraple said - we have problems with our servers - majority of good players complain about weird stuff (thank Overmech that i dont experience any of these)

 

4) I highly doubt that you could beat the best of us having 3-4 higher ping. Probably it would be same in NA servers.

 

 

But ofc i'm most interested in this idea, and willing to participate if fair rules would be set.



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Seriously, though, the only reasonable way to battle it out between EU and NA is to have a LAN event. Everything else is gimmicky and silly.

If only they would make a version of HAWKEN that supports LAN play. But it is understandable. I guess they could host a server close to the event like they did at GamesCom.

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i think the best way to go about it would be 1 game in each teams region. combine the final scores from both games. better scoring team wins.



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4) I highly doubt that you could beat the best of us having 3-4 higher ping. Probably it would be same in NA servers.

 

did i read this right? you seriously think you can beat the best NA players in NA servers? lol this is a joke right?


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I feel like EU players would have a distinct advantage over us smarmy americams because they're already used to compensating for ridonk lags.


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did i read this right? you seriously think you can beat the best NA players in NA servers? lol this is a joke right?

No you did not read it right. You wouldnt have chance beating us in EU servers and probably we couldnt beat you on your servers. Peace.

Same situation on both regions

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So play in asia with fuzzy bunny ping for everyone :-P


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I feel like EU players would have a distinct advantage over us smarmy americams because they're already used to compensating for ridonk lags.

 

Although Meraple and Memag both have trouble with lag - they rip me apart quite beautifully with there preds.

 

Guess it's just I am not that high MMR player. ;)



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Why don't we just admit that the US is better at everything and skip the unnecessary matches you're proposing? 


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Why don't we just admit that the US is better at everything and skip the unnecessary matches you're proposing? 

Lol. 


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eu scrubs go home


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Below is a link to a Left 4 Dead forum thread where the guys are discussing about using a Greenland server for international matches.

Someone claimed the following:

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The average ping from EU is 80ms. Minimum: 67ms(Germany, Frankfurt)
Ping from east US is 59ms for New-York; 80-90ms for central US and up to 130-140 for west coast.
Ping from western Russia is 100-110ms, central 80-90ms(I don't even), unknown for far east(probably 200+)

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"Hey, I have a business idea."

"Well, what is it?"

"Let's host game servers on Greenland."

"Why?"

"So players of video games from Europe and America can settle video game rivalries without leaving their house, both parties having perhaps sufficient amounts of entertainment due to sharks gnawing at packets from the undersea cables, but hey at least the ping might be alright in perfect conditions."

"That's a great idea and we totally support it! Regards, the only ISP of Greenland."


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Sharks gnawing at packets from the undersea cables,

 

 

 

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If you are reading this, you are wasting time that could be spend on playing Hawken.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why are you still here?



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Also an idea:  Have teams be half EU and half NA split.  Still do the one round here, one there thing but that could be a fun equalizer and mingling of sorts besides.


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