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I am trying to remain calm and polite.  But this has gone on WAY to long to still be ignored, in my humble opinion.

 

I'm talking about a particular hacker.  We all know this person.  He has been on EVERY evening for over a week now in his/her SS Aimbot, ruining the matches for everyone else.  But its not just that they are aimboting.  They also have one of the most offensive names that I have ever seen.  It violates your profanity rules, demonstrates sexism, and even glorifies violence against women.  It sickens me to even think of that name now as I type.

 

I'm quite certain he was reported to you long before I reported him about a week ago.  My report came back with your auto-reply, as always (which is fine btw), and then a couple days later one of you sent a personal reply that you were "looking into it".  This would have been about five days ago.  He has been playing non-stop, as I said, for at least a week.  So about 3 days ago I replied to your reply saying that he is STILL there, with the same offensive name and the same aimbotting behavior.

 

Last night I found out that at least 3 other players have not only reported him to you, but also provided video evidence.  I don't feel this should be needed, since any of you can just log into the game and see it for yourself, but these players have gone the "extra mile" in that sense.  And still this player is out there.  In fact there are videos on Youtube showing this player cheating, and yet they can still use that account.

 

In fact last night he spoke up and began mocking the rest of us, taunting us with "Yes, record and report."  He could be reading this very thread right now, laughing at "all the fuss" he has created.  The other players told me that there is no point in reporting anymore, because, in their words, Reloaded doesn't care and doesn't do anything about it.

 

And this is my point.  If it has reached a point where players refuse to report cheaters anymore because you have a reputation of not doing anything about it, then you have a serious problem on your hands.  Player retention seems to be at an all-time low, and this type of reputation will certainly not enamor new players to the game.

 

We have asked questions about your "policing" of the game before and get pretty vague answers like "Yes, we look for and block cheaters."  I humbly repeat my request, and the request of so many of my peers, that you prove this to us by at least banning this one player's account.  Sadly, they can just make another, from what I am told.  But at least banning this particular account would prove to us that 1) You do take action against cheaters, and 2) You do take your naming rules seriously and are not in any way tolerant of those names which promote violence against women.

 

This is very simple.  Just watch all the videos that have already been provided on this player.  And if this is not enough, please join a couple TDM games where he is playing and see for yourself.  If you are unwilling to do this, and 1 week from now this same offensive name is "alive and well", then what are we to conclude except that you truly do not deal with cheaters?  Thank you in advance for all your help.

 

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Edited by harmless_kittens, 08 August 2016 - 04:44 PM.

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A while ago I remember catching someone griefing me when I was streaming (That's how you know it was a long ass time ago)

Anyway there was clear evidence of him bodyblocking me, deliberately EMPing me and getting 0 score all round.

I reported him, got a response and then about a month later I found him in game. Aimbotting.


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I've been developing a comprehensive portfolio of a particular hacker over the weekend, and I have some very damning evidence/beautiful bean footage!

The upload will finish tonight (approx 1 hr), along with a support ticket, as it seems that this hacker also has a strong forum presence.
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I recommended e-mail conforming, when you create account. Also, when devs make PC patch (and I think grind will be more), ban cheater can highly slow his progression, and if he lost all mech, he need create new mail, buying and upgrade all mechs from zero (or donut it). Probably, console hawken will be more worse for cheaters (I mean, if cheater was banned).

To be honest, I feel that assault which you can buy from start when create new acc, it is cool instrument for cheaters :D, cuz you got it fast, and it have 2 hitscan weapons.

Anyway, I think that console mech tree and progression can help against cheater ( or make cheater life worse, and maybe lose interest in game, if will be banned 2-3 times by devs), if devs ban account. Just my theory.

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I gave a ticket about said SS..

 

submitted plenty of obvious video footage a day or two ago.

air 180s without the internals etc etc, snapping on pred through wall then attemptng to hide it...

 

BUT!

 

I will also point out something that was said to me OVER AND OVER...

 

99% of it is for attention. simply mute them, ignore them completely, change server... go pred tourist mode and avoid assisting them when your on their team, if you are against them, work as a team and target the one hack

 

aimbots only imitate 1800ish mmr standard, a good player using one maybe 2100...

 

just remember, IF they were actualy that good they wouldnt need it, observe them, then dismantle silently

 

 

EDIT: HOLY !! WTEFF!! did I i just... where the eff is the real demi... that sounded far to reasonable to be me..


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Since a ban wont accomplish anything, I'd recommend that instead of a ban, cheaters' weapons are made to miss 90% of the time or otherwise have wild inaccuracy or something funny like that that wont give away that they're banned right away.

 

Could you imagine them whining in chat that their aimbot isn't working?  :teehee:


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I've submitted about 3 or 4 in game reports on this player already. Multiple tickets are open with solid evidence. It has been multiple days.

I find that faith in RLD's ability to deal with hackers has decreased significantly from the days where the RLD devs would actually ban hackers. Now I'm not talking about banning hackers immediately. I'm talking the times when RLD took 4 days to ban a hacker, but the ban still came.

Bans were nice when they were here.


If the devs bothered to check the logs on in game reports even once they'd see what they need to see.

Edited by Silverfire, 08 August 2016 - 07:35 AM.

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Since a ban wont accomplish anything, I'd recommend that instead of a ban, cheaters' weapons are made to miss 90% of the time or otherwise have wild inaccuracy or something funny like that that wont give away that they're banned right away.

Could you imagine them whining in chat that their aimbot isn't working? :teehee:

Very cool idea, to make cheater slower or inaccurate, or decrease damage, but 99% it is not working, cuz cheaters replace numbers in client and change original game stats with fake numbers. So, they changes speed, aim factor, or rendering priorioty (to see mech models on screen above map architecture) after client slower them or change cheater damage. I.e. It doesn't affect on cheater.
But it is very fun idea :D

Cheater also can got EMP+ISM effect every 5 second in fight (he actually can shoot only 2-3 sec and then interrupt again with EMP, see screen only 1 sec, cuz ism, and never see radar cuz emp every time. As I know, even with cheats you can be EMP'ed. So, it was nice debuff which turn you life into nightmare even with cheats.

I think it can be nice punishment for cheater :P

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I had a lot of fun a little while ago stomping that hacker with an Orblord Vanguard. The only problem was that their teammates would surround me while I was focused on the hacker for an easy kill.


 

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I had a lot of fun a little while ago stomping that hacker with an Orblord Vanguard. The only problem was that their teammates would surround me while I was focused on the hacker for an easy kill.


This. I set up a particular server just to kick them. Next time, I'll just pull everyone over to one team.
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It seems that this hacker also has a strong forum presence.

 

Yes, that hacker hangs around the forums and passive-aggressively plays coy about their hacking activites. She'll randomly drop into threads and act like a benign player. She also recently (and randomly) namedropped her alt account that she's been seen hacking with in a recent thread just to rustle some jimmies.

 

Seriously Reloaded, I know you're trying to keep your anti-hacking techniques under wraps and shhhh, but this one is being thrown to you underhand. Multiple times. Just a series of nice soft lobs right over the plate. We know you're busy, we know you're understaffed, but on behalf of every person that had to suffer through her ruining every match she was in this last week - she would even just sit in an open lobby to honeypot players into being forced to play with her! - please get serious and address that account.

 

We all know they'll come back with another account, but frankly with the kind of impunity that you guys are cleaning up the forum over the last few weeks, maybe consider taking that cleanup fervor, do everyone a solid, AND DEAL WITH THIS


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apparently cleaning the forums of respected community members is more important than cleaning out hackers from the game to these devs


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apparently cleaning the forums of respected community members is more important than cleaning out hackers from the game to these devs

 

Whether or not this is factually correct, it's the narrative Reloaded is beginning to create regarding their community relations. "The cleanliness of our forums matters more than that of our game, because the optics of our forums are more important. To hell with the people that play the game." They make a significant and visible effort to crack down on the forums (for better or for worse), but no visible effort has been made to assure the playerbase that they're doing anything about the cheating issue - even if it is primarily from one player.

 

There are multiple games whose developers are still able to say to their community, "We just did some anti-cheating cleanup; X number of accounts have been terminated". They make no mention of what techniques were used to identify the naughty players, no description of anti-hacker secret sauce recipe. But that one post alone can significantly reassure a playerbase. That one sentence would promote developer-community relations so much more than "Submit a ticket" or "Shhh we dont wanna give our tite techniques away". Frankly I'd be happier reading "One account has been terminated for hacking" over "We are doing more cool stuff to the backend" because the former gives us so much more than what we've received on the topic in over two years.


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She will likely post in this very thread.

She no doubt holds the record for the most accounts banned for cheating, and delights in flaunting it here on the forum where the mods have no idea who is who.

Meanwhile half a dozen honest players are permanently banned, and unlike this prolific-posting talentless cheater, aren't forum smurfing.

We can do better.


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Very cool idea, to make cheater slower or inaccurate, or decrease damage, but 99% it is not working, cuz cheaters replace numbers in client and change original game stats with fake numbers. So, they changes speed, aim factor, or rendering priorioty (to see mech models on screen above map architecture) after client slower them or change cheater damage. I.e. It doesn't affect on cheater.
But it is very fun idea :D

I think you misunderstand. My idea is that the server would just turn off their hit detection 90% of the time.


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Personally I think certain players who are trust worthy enough such as those known for private servers to have admin powers in pub servers to be able to kick and ban players from joining them. There should be an In-game report system during games where it sends the report to a security bot, that takes care of say person. Almost like a scrimbot, but a moderating bot for each pub.

 

Devs would be able to access the bot, watch from point of view/ auto record every match,


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Personally I think certain players who are trust worthy enough such as those known for private servers to have admin powers in pub servers to be able to kick and ban players from joining them. There should be an In-game report system during games where it sends the report to a security bot, that takes care of say person. Almost like a scrimbot, but a moderating bot for each pub.

 

Devs would be able to access the bot, watch from point of view/ auto record every match,

 

Honestly, if only a select number of players were given this kind of access, and it was heavily regulated (NDAs, explicit punishments if the tool is abused, etc.), then I don't see how Reloaded exposes themselves to a lot of risk. Community relations would be reinforced, and they have to spend very little resources managing an issue that they seem to not be addressing right now (based on the fact that a known aimbot account has been around for weeks without issue).

 

Case in point: they've given out spectator permissions in the past, and I haven't heard of any abuse issues (and it can be abused). Granted, kick / ban privileges are a much larger step than just spectating, but it illustrates that the foundation for that kind of community trust exists in some form.


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Honestly, if only a select number of players were given this kind of access, and it was heavily regulated (NDAs, explicit punishments if the tool is abused, etc.), then I don't see how Reloaded exposes themselves to a lot of risk. Community relations would be reinforced, and they have to spend very little resources managing an issue that they seem to not be addressing right now (based on the fact that a known aimbot account has been around for weeks without issue).

 

Case in point: they've given out spectator permissions in the past, and I haven't heard of any abuse issues (and it can be abused). Granted, kick / ban privileges are a much larger step than just spectating, but it illustrates that the foundation for that kind of community trust exists in some form.

yes but given the circumstances that most players just want to play in peace removing the subject for that actual purpose would be worth it. I don't think it would be abused, the trust would be to those who are very active, well known in the community and can be called upon at all times via txt/ teamspeak/ steam/ discord

 

for example. yourself Butt, I notice you see that player in a match and your already like ''im not doing this'' and leave lol. So if someone can kick that person it would be worth in my opinion. 


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yes but given the circumstances that most players just want to play in peace removing the subject for that actual purpose would be worth it. I don't think it would be abused, the trust would be to those who are very active, well known in the community and can be called upon at all times via txt/ teamspeak/ steam/ discord

 

I agree, but convincing fellow community members probably won't be as difficult to convince as Reloaded. I imagine they're hesitant to empower community members to take that kind of action, and probably for valid reasons. I still think it's worth starting a discussion with them over. Maybe I'll pursue it.

 

for example. yourself Butt, I notice you see that player in a match and your already like ''im not doing this'' and leave lol. So if someone can kick that person it would be worth in my opinion. 

 

Yeah I did that at least 10 times this last week until I just couldn't get into a match without them being there. Once I was sufficiently enraged I became inebriated, joined those games anyways, and would go full ham on her since she has such juicy XP bonuses for hacking I MEAN PLAYING SO MLG LIKE.

 

So yeah, I think having her kicked and/or banned would have a material positive effect on gamers, even if it's only effects me.


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^ sounds like me, I pretty much do the same with her  in  a match.


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I usually just leave and go play a different game or get off the computer entirely. It's mildly annoying at most to find myself in a match with them.. I mostly just feel sorry for them, shrug, and move on with my life. This person isn't in any way worth a second thought in any circumstance.

Do you think twice about it when you see a piece of garbage on the street, or contemplate why it hasn't been cleaned up yet? I'd hope not. It's just trash and not worth your thought.

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i like matching my aim vs an aimbot :D personally its fun..since when your good enough it can go either way of dominating each other. After so many matches though, its tiring Dx 2 dominations cost me 2 cups of orange juice. rip vitamin D



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Well said, OP.

 

It's a bit strange that Reloaded has banned cheaters in the past with few tickets of evidence, but with this persistent individual, we are seeing something different. Is Reloaded intentionally not taking action? What exactly is happening with this case? Let's think about that for a moment.

 

We know Reloaded has acknowledged that there is overwhelming evidence to ban one, single account, but yet no such action has been taken. Does anyone else ponder why this could be? And apparently this is not backed by just reasoning, people have submitted numerous tickets for weeks now.

 

I won't go too far down the rabbit hole, but I do suspect some form of behind-the-scenes shenanigans, possibly involving both sides. /conspiracy


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Well said, OP.

 

It's a bit strange that Reloaded has banned cheaters in the past with few tickets of evidence, but with this persistent individual, we are seeing something different. Is Reloaded intentionally not taking action? What exactly is happening with this case? Let's think about that for a moment.

 

We know Reloaded has acknowledged that there is overwhelming evidence to ban one, single account, but yet no such action has been taken. Does anyone else ponder why this could be? And apparently this is not backed by just reasoning, people have submitted numerous tickets for weeks now.

 

I won't go too far down the rabbit hole, but I do suspect some form of behind-the-scenes shenanigans, possibly involving both sides. /conspiracy

 thats what I said, they probably work for them or just do it for the Lolz. I remember back in the day Runa told me she was ''hired'' by the devs to make in game program bots to do what she wants. This was back when she made her alt acc V1nyL Scr4tch, 



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Humm I thought I already did this.



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there is absolutely no excuse the devs can make for their pathetic show of inactivity because this is an outrage, especially with evidence like this

 

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it doesn't get better than this folks.

 

 

EDIT: For the ones that do not know, this player account was still active as of 08/10/2016, and has not been banned yet despite multiple in-game reports and support tickets with supporting video evidence regarding the player.  It has been multiple days and there is not even a single sign of life from the support tickets submitted already.


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I haven't bothered to say anything about this particular player till now. 

Honestly, their CqC habits are terrible. Blitz onto them in a raider and they spacebar+backpedal in an absolute panic.

Every. Single. Time.

 

The one time they truly frustrated the hell out of me was when they went semi-afk in a match playing their pred and wandered around doing nothing for like 6 matches straight doing NOTHING.

 

When they attempt to play serious on a bot is when I have the chance to flex on them.

 

Still annoying though


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I think it's the wrong thing to bring up, but I feel like they're even worse of a person for making me read the name with a long A because they can't spell.

 

Slaiped.  Slayped?  How does one "slaip"?

 

 

Also, what's with the 1000hp?  Is that just a spectator artifact or is that haxxed hp values?


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I think it's the wrong thing to bring up, but I feel like they're even worse of a person for making me read the name with a long A because they can't spell.

Slaiped. Slayped? How does one "slaip"?


Also, what's with the 1000hp? Is that just a spectator artifact or is that haxxed hp values?

That's just a spectator artifact.

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Is HOHOHOSANTA a hacker?

Yes, HOHOHOSANTA uses a little-known hack called a skillhack. There are not a lot players who currently use this hack, but they are the best players in Hawken.


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there is absolutely no excuse the devs can make for their pathetic show of inactivity because this is an outrage, especially with evidence like this

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Not to mention I can think of a whole handful of players that have come along and B1tchSlapped every person on that list lol

I think they are just trying to point out who is in the "Good Ol Boys" club and who the moderators should give lenience to.


Obv troll is obv.

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i think RLD could use a dedicated inquisition group that ISNT  just on forums

 

shift the focus plz, because this cant be the level efficiency you desire or are even tolerant toward


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She will likely post in this very thread.

She no doubt holds the record for the most accounts banned for cheating, and delights in flaunting it here on the forum where the mods have no idea who is who.

Meanwhile half a dozen honest players are permanently banned, and unlike this prolific-posting talentless cheater, aren't forum smurfing.

We can do better.

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shift the focus plz, because this cant be the level efficiency you desire or are even tolerant toward

 

What?


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What's in it for Reloaded to put serious time and effort into combating cheaters (or even just one.. ) on the PC version of Hawken?  At least right now.  How does it equate more $$ for them for a game with a player base that's again shrinking in size?   And likely would be doing so with or without cheaters.  This is yet one more issue that can be thrown onto the pile of things that need to be addressed ASAP for Hawken to succeed.. 



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Fairly obvious whos account this actually is... hence they baught up the name, attention seeking and all as normal... and for once IM not the one feeding it...

 

 

Not to mention I can think of a whole handful of players that have come along and B1tchSlapped every person on that list lol

I think they are just trying to point out who is in the "Good Ol Boys" club and who the moderators should give lenience to.

 


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If hackers are actually spending real money on the game...


To be serious for a moment this is just a joke

 





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