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I checked the survey you can access from the game and I found some problems with it.

The first one is almost harmless:
"I want to drive wheeled vehicles, many-legged mechs, human characters, and even the creatures on Illal."
I see that they are revisiting old player suggestions. I am not really fond about it but I lost my marbles at a later question.

"When a new mech is released, for how long should it be purchasable only via MC?"
And there is no option against it! Only 1, 2, 3 and 6 weeks as anwsers.
I know, you have to support yourself somehow and change the old model, but I think this is wrong.
I still have a lot of meteor credits but I never used it to buy a mech or unlock something that is not purely cosmetic. This would put me and other players like me in a situation where we either buy the new content using MC or have a disatvantage or even ignore the game for weeks.

Not to mention when a new mech came out a lot of people played it, and it was usually broken and needed some rebalancing. ADH was always cautious about changing things people potentially payed real money for. This was clearly holding them back but I have to agree with it.
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"When a new mech is released, for how long should it be purchasable only via MC?"
And there is no option against it! Only 1, 2, 3 and 6 weeks as anwsers.  

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whoa,  don't tell me reloaded wants to pimp this fuzzy bunny out into a p2w fuzzy bunny...  

 

 

i thought we were getting over that bs


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"When a new mech is released, for how long should it be purchasable only via MC?"

 

Please tell me this is not a thing that I have somehow missed in all my time playing hawken

 

If it is real and will stay this way I will make sure that Reloaded gets meatmssile_'s authentic seal of disapproval



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I feel mixed about this, i think its fair to let the devs have the surveys, its important to look at how the players feel about the game and new content, they are not obligated to act immediately or to listen to any ideas they do not feel would be in the games best interest, these are good things to ask, and to see how people feel, clearly they would not release badly balanced mechs and do nothing if people dislike them,

 

i also feel its fine to have a mech be mc only for a little bit so long as said mech is not blatantly better, and the rest of us get it eventualy, the same way, i feel that could hold back some spam, as well as help generate revenue.


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If they do this, they'll screw up big time. Would be quite stupid.


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it doesn't matter if the new mech is better or not, only that it will be "perceived" as better and thus p2w by the unwashed masses.  i don't get it, why don't the masses just take a bath or something...

 

they should not be focusing on ways to trick us into spending money.  when we love hawken, we want to spend money on it. i really think it's that simple.  if reloaded just concentrates on making hawken as awesome as it can be then more people will stick around to pretty up their robots.  

 

as a guy that always pretties his bots, if they release a new mech, i'm going to spend mc on it.  but not to buy it.  not ever.  


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The Fall 2.0 ... I see it coming.

 

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I think the BEST thing would be some new maps and then introduce NEW mechs. 

 

Players can choose to skip those maps, however new MECHS are something we all have to deal w/on a regular basis 

 

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i lost it too, dumbest fuzzy bunny you could possibly do, the model they want is called pay to win. that fuzzy bunny is not good for buisness and will quickly fuzzy bunny your product up. it happens i wll promptly stop playing the game and tell everyone i can to stay away. that fuzzy bunny is poison


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it doesn't matter if the new mech is better or not, only that it will be "perceived" as better and thus p2w by the unwashed masses.  i don't get it, why don't the masses just take a bath or something...
 
they should not be focusing on ways to trick us into spending money.  when we love hawken, we want to spend money on it. i really think it's that simple.  if reloaded just concentrates on making hawken as awesome as it can be then more people will stick around to pretty up their robots.  
 
as a guy that always pretties his bots, if they release a new mech, i'm going to spend mc on it.  but not to buy it.  not ever.


Could not have said it better myself. Doing something like that might make them some quick money but it would probably be the far worst thing they could do for game in the long run. Hell, apparently people think Hawken is P2W now ( 100% false of course) I shutter to think what this would do to peoples perception of the game. However I think they are simply "asking the question" to gauge the gaming community at large, I suspect they are not planning to do this or anything similar.

I would however love buying a limited edition mech with custom model and/or graphics. MWO online does that a lot and fills it in with a bit of backstory and while I don't play the game anymore I still get their e-mails and its still evening interesting just seeing and reading as non-player. I think thats what the Vanguard Cupcake was (I had stopped playing during that period)??
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"When a new mech is released, for how long should it be purchasable only via MC?"
And there is no option against it! Only 1, 2, 3 and 6 weeks as anwsers.
I know, you have to support yourself somehow and change the old model, but I think this is wrong.
I still have a lot of meteor credits but I never used it to buy a mech or unlock something that is not purely cosmetic. This would put me and other players like me in a situation where we either buy the new content using MC or have a disatvantage or even ignore the game for weeks.

 

I'd like this idea to be changed as a sort of beta test + feedback for MC

 

new mech + 2 weeks of beta test (for MC) then balance patch for a HC release.


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I'd like this idea to be changed as a sort of beta test + feedback for MC
 
new mech + 2 weeks of beta test (for MC) then balance patch for a HC release.


Pay money to beta test for them (do work)? That makes no sense at all.

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I checked the survey you can access from the game

 

what is this, and where i can find if?


Kompotka 3000. 2D ha?ken game: https://community.pl...ve/?hl=kompotka

Interceptor, B-Class mech concept: https://community.pl...itdefence-mech/

Challenger, C-Class mech concept: https://community.pl...ccepted-thread/

G2-Brawler, C-class mech concept: https://community.pl...pacaka-is-here/

Kinetik, B-class mech concept: https://community.pl...ass-shotgunner/

Melter, A-class mech concept: https://community.pl...-class-support/


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I'm someone that came to this game from League of Legends, and I have to say that some of the questions bothered me. Most noticibly, the one about the gameplay of new mechs. League is experiencing some major power creep as of late, even on reworks of older characters and I just worry new mechs would bring a similar problem.

As for the period of MC-only mechs, I propose a counter offer, and one that does work in League. When they release a new champion, it's often at a higher cost then normal (the highest costed character is 975 RP, the points you pay money for, 6300 IP for the Free points) at 7800 IP, but they keep the cost of RP the same. Of course, the pool of characters is approching Pokemon range rather then this smaller mech pool we have, but it's better then a MC-Only period.



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The moment when any item with actual in-game use becomes a cash-only item, no matter how temporary, is the precise moment when I stop playing HAWKEN completely.

 

Especially something as significant as a new mech.


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Pay money to beta test for them (do work)? That makes no sense at all.

 

Call it "premium user access" and you'll see that it make sense.


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what is this, and where i can find if?

Log in to the game and check those boxes to the right. You can click on it and it will open the survey in a browser in your Steam overlay.
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Actually, I still think that hawken is the best f2p in a world. I never see another game where you can get everything, only what you need, spent your time and be online. And it is good, because everyone can did it. It is fine.

If devs starting make any restrictions (mech slots for MC, only MC mechs) it will be extremely bad for me. And this is really starting turn game into p2w. It is not good...

Kompotka 3000. 2D ha?ken game: https://community.pl...ve/?hl=kompotka

Interceptor, B-Class mech concept: https://community.pl...itdefence-mech/

Challenger, C-Class mech concept: https://community.pl...ccepted-thread/

G2-Brawler, C-class mech concept: https://community.pl...pacaka-is-here/

Kinetik, B-class mech concept: https://community.pl...ass-shotgunner/

Melter, A-class mech concept: https://community.pl...-class-support/


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it doesn't matter if the new mech is better or not, only that it will be "perceived" as better and thus p2w by the unwashed masses.

which "masses" are you talking of? our ~2k player base? :D

 

 

but i totally agree with you on this:

they should not be focusing on ways to trick us into spending money.  when we love hawken, we want to spend money on it.


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They wouldn't. Can't be that blind


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I don't see how doing an exclusive release for a limited time for cash only is going to totally ruin the game. There is no ladder system where if IF some rediciously op'd mech is released it'll just ruin the experience and make everyone run to the hills yelling p2w. I also don't think there would but a super ton of sales under this system anyways where everyone should be giving it more than 2 sec of thought. I feel these guys need to make money somehow. If half the people who have played this game for year(s) that have never put a dime into it yet have extracted a ton of fun from their experience would put a couple bucks into the game for some cosmetics, ect maybe reloaded wouldn't have to consider exclusive releases. Just sayin', if we're looking for solutions, that's a pretty easy one.
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The problem with this is exactly what you described. It will immediately make the game seem P2W and lose lots of potential new players.

 

Also, the fact that when a new mech is released, it is very rarely balanced, which means one of two things:

 

1) The mech is weaker than others, and makes newer players feel like their cash was wasted and would better have served them if it had been put into another game. 

 

          RESULTLosing players & potential future profit.

 

2) The mech is more powerful than others, and make players playing against it seem like the game is obviously P2W and not worth their time. They leave the game without spending any money and uninstall it.

 

          RESULTLosing players & potential future profit.

 

No matter which way you look at this, it's a bad move. I implore you to reconsider your desicion, Reloaded.


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which "masses" are you talking of? our ~2k player base? :D


No, I'm talking about the other 998,000 that made accounts, played hawken, and moved on.

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The problem with this is exactly what you described. It will immediately make the game seem P2W and lose lots of potential new players.

Also, the fact that when a new mech is released, it is very rarely balanced, which means one of two things:

1) The mech is weaker than others, and makes newer players feel like their cash was wasted and would better have served them if it had been put into another game.


RESULT: Losing players & potential future profit.

2) The mech is more powerful than others, and make players playing against it seem like the game is obviously P2W and not worth their time. They leave the game without spending any money and uninstall it.


RESULT: Losing players & potential future profit.

No matter which way you look at this, it's a bad move. I emplore you to reconsider your decision, Reloaded.

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This startled me also... I really hope they don't decide to follow that path.



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How about to release exclusive chassis that is available only for MC for mechs that already exist, instead? Like the Cupcake was.


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Current mmr changes and this now also they started selling some kind of weird coin medal thingy. 

I feel a bit tired of hawken.. how about you?

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Btw IF they can make a new mech every week for a period of one year I don't mind it being sold for mc for one week  :pirate:



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A mech each week would be awful due to the impossibility of thoroughly testing and balancing within that amount of time. Two months per mech is by far the best option on the survey imo, though I guess one month might be workable if Reloaded really committed to it and created an HAB-esque system to get quality community feedback during the development process.

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I was also sceptical when I read this in the survey. But the other thing which makes me wonder is the following - and please Tiggs and Josh don't take it offensive. ;)

They are thinking about releasing mechs in such short periods? That means they think they can design and balance mechs in a week or two? I believe they are overestimating their abilities completly.



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I just couldn't answer everything, questions were awfully unreal and really P2W/cash-grab oriented. I don't even think 8 weeks is enough to put new mechs, as above posts said, rebalancing is the most important thing and there's no way to do so if they release mechs every 8 weeks.

Just look at Killing Floor 2, several months waiting to release a big-as* package of content and STILL perks unbalanced and plenty of bugs; wich is the best thing to do i couldn't imagine having updates every week.


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I think purpose of the survey is just to buy more time to get you excited about things that not happened yet :ninja:  and soften you up on cashing in ideas. It's not possible to do it in one week it's obvious unless you have premade stuff in advance. Btw I have not finished filling that survey. I stopped on the second or third question.


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I just wrote an honest response at the end, saying pretty much the same thing as here. I know this is anonymous but i wouldn't care if my name is in that survey, i'm pretty proud of what i wrote there


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I dont mind if they sell a mech for a week or so,and then change it to HC,if someone is too impatient he can buy it.They need to make money somehow anyway.



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I dont mind if they sell a mech for a week or so,and then change it to HC,if someone is too impatient he can buy it.They need to make money somehow anyway.

 

Pretty sure that's the same rationale behind how G2 mechs are bought/unlocked, and I've seen quite a few posts complaining about spending the MC to get them only to regret it. I really don't think this practice needs to be expanded to ALL mechs, even if it's only temporary.

 

While these surveys are a useful way to get direct feedback from more users than on the forums, I really don't like the way some of the questions are laid out. There really should have been an option to select "No MC-only period" for this particular question, and I've noticed others where only one side of the issue is represented.


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I just wrote an honest response at the end, saying pretty much the same thing as here. I know this is anonymous but i wouldn't care if my name is in that survey, i'm pretty proud of what i wrote there

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i feel that the survey is just them getting a feel for how the community feels about these topics, not that they will commit to one, as to the new mechs, i love the idea of new mechs, but i also like that each one is unique, and personally id rather they release mechs once they have good ones, as opposed to regular bland ones. plus longer times between mechs gives time to level and learn each one. 

 

to be honest if the want to include lore, i feel maps are really gona be a good way to do it, as well as add content.


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i feel that the survey is just them getting a feel for how the community feels about these topics, not that they will commit to one...

In this case they should have prepared other options or simply a textbox where you can give your own feedback. I know it is harder to process it like that but they already did that with another question. The only way to voice how we feel about it is to tell them on the forum, hence why I created this thread.

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