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I log on today to find i cant find a game on siege mode people it doesn't have enough players to start a game...

 

After trying this game a couple years ago i come back to find that there are less then 100 players online.

 

Question whats the deal?



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I'm going to take a guess and say you either play in the EU or the US servers because this is not an uncommon issue in other servers.

 

The problem is that this game, although being great, has not had any new content released on it (other than a few cosmetic stuff) in over a year. People get bored when a game that is in beta is not getting any updates and they leave. We are just facing one of those blank moments now.



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I'm going to take a guess and say you either play in the EU or the US servers because this is not an uncommon issue in other servers.

The problem is that this game, although being great, has not had any new content released on it (other than a few cosmetic stuff) in over a year. People get bored when a game that is in beta is not getting any updates and they leave. We are just facing one of those blank moments now.


Good summary.

I'd add that Hawken, for whatever reason and in my experience, actually has less people playing on weekend afternoons and evenings than, say, most weekdays of the same.

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We are just facing one of those blank moments now.


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Good summary.

I'd add that Hawken, for whatever reason and in my experience, actually has less people playing on weekend afternoons and evenings than, say, most weekdays of the same.

 

Playing a bit of Hawken after a day of studying/internship is relaxing during the week, on saturdays I usually go out and on sundays I'm too hungover from the day before to play. Checks out.


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Playing a bit of Hawken after a day of studying/internship is relaxing during the week, on saturdays I usually go out and on sundays I'm too hungover from the day before to play. Checks out.

 

Yeah, if hawken doesn't get you dizzy in the first few hours, it will be sure to burn your brain cells after a day lol.


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Good summary.

I'd add that Hawken, for whatever reason and in my experience, actually has less people playing on weekend afternoons and evenings than, say, most weekdays of the same.

Being a pilot is a job. I go home to the farm on weekends.


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Hawken seems to have an older demographic than most games. Most adults have to work weekends. HAWKEN is, in many ways, a throwback to old arena shooters. No recoil, no ADS save for snipers, fast movement, high jumps.

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Most adults have to work weekends.


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Huh?

 

That's what I said when I read that.  I just figured they were using a younger definition of adult - and that's fine.  I used to have to work weekends too.


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I'm sorry you're confused, but in the US, most working adults 40 and below work at least one weekend day a week. Businesses don't stop on the weekends. Even in places that are closed on weekends there are people that come in to clean, do security detail, pick up excess workloads.

Maybe your job doesn't, but most do. Take Verifone for instance. My best friend gets Sunday and Monday off and this is in T3 which is management. All upper management works at least one weekend day per week because there has to be a manager there.

My grandfather was a parking consultant. He was a drafter and many of his co workers worked both weekend days. And he worked weekends himself. To be fair he was bringing his drafts home.

My grandma was a photographer for an advertisement company. If you grew up in california in the 90s you probably got the US salescatalogue in the mail. She was a manager and people worked on weekends.

So, most adults do work weekends in the US.

This has become a greater factor in adulthood as the economy has shifted the way it has. I'd recommend taking a Sociology class if you haven't in the last ten years or so.

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So, most adults do work weekends in the US.
 

 

That's actually very easy to check, and it turns out around 30% of working adults in the US do so the weekend. It is typically more than in other first world countries where the number is closer to 20%. Still far from more than half though.


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There are ways to explain this without sounding condescending.

 

 

That's actually very easy to check, and it turns out around 30% of working adults in the US do so the weekend. It is typically more than in other first world countries where the number is closer to 20%. Still far from more than half though.

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That's actually very easy to check, and it turns out around 30% of working adults in the US do so the weekend. It is typically more than in other first world countries where the number is closer to 20%. Still far from more than half though.

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I can't find a source for the numbers you posted, can you link it please? It's interesting. The one I'm going by is mostly from a National Bureau of Economic Research paper from 2014 I haven't been able to find anything more recent. Maybe I suck at using Google but I'm surprised how little info there is on this topic I expected to find more stuff.

 

Even your own numbers say the opposite of your initial claim though, 35% if we take your number is far from >50%.


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52% of all statistics are made up.


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I can't find a source for the numbers you posted, can you link it please? It's interesting. The one I'm going by is mostly from a National Bureau of Economic Research paper from 2014 I haven't been able to find anything more recent. Maybe I suck at using Google but I'm surprised how little info there is on this topic I expected to find more stuff.

 

Even your own numbers say the opposite of your initial claim though, 35% if we take your number is far from >50%.

Firstly, my bad.  I pulled up the PDF I was looking at and didn't realize that the numbers were fictitious.  It was created for the Sociology class I was in.

Still.  With 35% of adult workers working on weekends what can we infer about the demographics?  [Right out of the ATUS "

   --Many more people worked on weekdays than on weekend days: 83 percent of 
     employed persons worked on an average weekday, compared with 35 percent on 
     an average weekend day. (See table 4.)")

That's a 3rd of the entire Workforce.  The average gamers age is 31. 
(http://venturebeat.com/2014/04/29/gaming-advocacy-group-the-average-gamer-is-31-and-most-play-on-a-console/)

74.4% of all minimum wage workers are 24 years of age or younger so that means at least 2,824,284 
people are making minimum wage.  The largest portion of that work in some kind of food prep which 
is notorious for making people work weekends.  Not to mention the additional the nearly 400k people 
working in sales who, just over half of which work weekends.
(http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/09/08/who-makes-minimum-wage/)
  • Disproportionately young: 50.4% are ages 16 to 24; 24% are teenagers (ages 16 to 19).

So a very large number of people that fall into the "gamer" demographic that are at working age probably work weekends.  While I was misinformed, the point still stands.  A large portion of the individuals that play videogames work weekends.  I'm willing to bet that a majority of working gamers work weekends.  With that in mind, with the age demographic of HAWKEN being higher than most games, almost entirely working age players, it's safe to assume that the portion available to play the game on the weekends is going to be far smaller than in other games because there are less people that are free on the weekends.  Add in the very small pool of people actually playing the game with any regularity being what it is and boom and that quite a few of those are using private servers to practice for TPG on weekends and boom.  Weekends are dead. 

So I do apologies for sounding condescending in my initial retort post.  That was not intended.  I apologize for giving false information.  That was not intended.  Instead I present to you my most sound theory on the matter.

 


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I'm going to take a guess and say you either play in the EU or the US servers because this is not an uncommon issue in other servers.

 

The problem is that this game, although being great, has not had any new content released on it (other than a few cosmetic stuff) in over a year. People get bored when a game that is in beta is not getting any updates and they leave. We are just facing one of those blank moments now.

 

I havent gotten bored with hawken for the same reason I - or other people - dont quickly get bored of Counterstrike. its the gameplay. Its an art. To me, Its like playing an instrument; not a passing attention-grabbing product that comes and goes in a month or two.


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Want to know what's worse than not having enough people on for a game?! Not being allowed to play in the games when people are on. They seriously need to adjust the game locking algorithm based on MMR. Mine's not even that high (1900-2100) and I have to manually pick an empty server and hope people join in order to play. Sure normally (normally not always) there are a few higher ranked TDM matches available, but forget the other games modes.

 

EDIT: Why does this setup even exist?! When there are less players available it just discourages veteran players. It maybe protects newbies from the learning curve, but playing against better opponents is the only way to improve anyway.


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who want to play the game where starters are destroied by veteran smurfs

these games is killing himself



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Firstly, my bad.  I pulled up the PDF I was looking at and didn't realize that the numbers were fictitious.  It was created for the Sociology class I was in.

Still.  With 35% of adult workers working on weekends what can we infer about the demographics?  [Right out of the ATUS "

   --Many more people worked on weekdays than on weekend days: 83 percent of 
     employed persons worked on an average weekday, compared with 35 percent on 
     an average weekend day. (See table 4.)")

That's a 3rd of the entire Workforce.  The average gamers age is 31. 
(http://venturebeat.com/2014/04/29/gaming-advocacy-group-the-average-gamer-is-31-and-most-play-on-a-console/)

74.4% of all minimum wage workers are 24 years of age or younger so that means at least 2,824,284 
people are making minimum wage.  The largest portion of that work in some kind of food prep which 
is notorious for making people work weekends.  Not to mention the additional the nearly 400k people 
working in sales who, just over half of which work weekends.
(http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/09/08/who-makes-minimum-wage/)
  • Disproportionately young: 50.4% are ages 16 to 24; 24% are teenagers (ages 16 to 19).

So a very large number of people that fall into the "gamer" demographic that are at working age probably work weekends.  While I was misinformed, the point still stands.  A large portion of the individuals that play videogames work weekends.  I'm willing to bet that a majority of working gamers work weekends.  With that in mind, with the age demographic of HAWKEN being higher than most games, almost entirely working age players, it's safe to assume that the portion available to play the game on the weekends is going to be far smaller than in other games because there are less people that are free on the weekends.  Add in the very small pool of people actually playing the game with any regularity being what it is and boom and that quite a few of those are using private servers to practice for TPG on weekends and boom.  Weekends are dead. 

So I do apologies for sounding condescending in my initial retort post.  That was not intended.  I apologize for giving false information.  That was not intended.  Instead I present to you my most sound theory on the matter.

 

 

Lol, sorry.  It just struck me as an odd statement because most adults I know do not work on the weekends.

 

I guess it depends on how we define "adult" while also keeping in mind that the vast majority of adults do not play video games.  So the "adult video game player" demographic is quite small when compared to the number of working adults.  However, the adults who do play video games are likely to be younger and therefore more likely to work weekends.  So, I totally agree that a lot of Hawken players are probably working on Saturdays or at the very least catching up on responsibilities on their days off.

 

Personally, I don't play much during the day on weekends because I have to do things like raise children, upkeep on my house, and other adult type stuff (single parent is hard).  Not a "paying" job in the traditional sense, but a job nonetheless.  The weekends are a time for me to get fuzzy bunny done that I can't get to during the week because of actual job.



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I should create several alt accounts so that I can come on here and make it look like a whole bunch of people share the same exact opinion as me.


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I don't work weekends. Unless you consider the Honey-Do-List my wife assigns me.  :pinch:

 

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Want to know what's worse than not having enough people on for a game?! Not being allowed to play in the games when people are on. They seriously need to adjust the game locking algorithm based on MMR. Mine's not even that high (1900-2100) and I have to manually pick an empty server and hope people join in order to play. Sure normally (normally not always) there are a few higher ranked TDM matches available, but forget the other games modes.

 

EDIT: Why does this setup even exist?! When there are less players available it just discourages veteran players. It maybe protects newbies from the learning curve, but playing against better opponents is the only way to improve anyway.

 

Maybe Josh can set something up so that on War Wednesdays, all the public servers are unlocked for that 24 hour period. Use it to encourgae gameplay and test the blending of new and old players.


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Working weekends is the plight of young adults and the ambitious. I haven't worked weekends in 5 years.

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Been railroading  26 years still work weekends ...and I'm not ambitious or young...... sigh!


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Been railroading  26 years still work weekends ...and I'm not ambitious or young...... sigh!

Aw.  Hang in there brother.


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It's all good. 6 more years than i turn it over to the youngsters!Happy-Retirement.jpg


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I play as my health allows. There are many days I don't feel like playing 8-10 hours. There a days sometimes I don't feel like playing. My health is slowly getting worse and that includes my breathing. Sometimes I will tell people when the match is over I have to stop for the night or for abit as my breathing is hard. When I get overly excited fighting I draw more breath. Plus occasionally my heart rate will get too high as well. Plus sometimes RL takes over. Doc appts. Grocery store. Pharmacy. Parents or the few friends I have left alive that live nearby. Plus I do play other games. Not as much as Hawken but still. Right now is a good example. I am exhausted. I am having trouble breathing. I have not played today. I went today and found a box in a dumpster to send my motherboard back to Asus tomorrow. I got a RMA from a phone call to Asus and the tech was nice enough to give me a FedEx label (free shipping TO Asus) as well. Those two things have wore me to the bone. You may think thats not much. I hope you never have to find out, believe me. Take care! :thumbsup:


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I log on today to find i cant find a game on siege mode people it doesn't have enough players to start a game...

 

After trying this game a couple years ago i come back to find that there are less then 100 players online.

 

Question whats the deal?

 

 

it's hard to advertise a game with a high skill ladder.

 

new players will get slaughtered and give up before they even start thinking about getting better.

 

this is the type of game where 1 pilot mech can potentially kill 5 average pilot mechs. 



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it's hard to advertise a game with a high skill ladder.

 

new players will get slaughtered and give up before they even start thinking about getting better.

 

this is the type of game where 1 pilot mech can potentially kill 5 average pilot mechs. 

 

Not necessarily. Moba's do well and they require just as much aiming and sharp reflexes - especially in the higher-tiers of the gaming. Only things I can think of that they have over Hawken is a population, and being a Moba. 



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Change this topic to say, "It's any night and I can't find a game."

 

I can't find a single match of Missile Assault or Siege.  Don't wanna play TDM all the time... so I sit and wait.   And it has nothing to do with MMR.


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Change this topic to say, "It's any night and I can't find a game."

 

I can't find a single match of Missile Assault or Siege.  Don't wanna play TDM all the time... so I sit and wait.   And it has nothing to do with MMR.

 

 

I was shocked to find a group of players in a MA server last night. Not only that, but the majority of them stayed for the next 3-4 matches...was so much fun.

 

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