Warnings from apb players?
#1
Posted 02 June 2015 - 10:02 AM
#2
Posted 02 June 2015 - 10:06 AM
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#3
Posted 02 June 2015 - 10:07 AM
And even if they are right, what we are going to do? It is up to Reloaded, not to us.
Additionally, I can not agree with the statements. Josh communicates way better than Hughes did for example.
But @ReEvolve: Don't delete that Reddit post, it is a good base for a heated discussion :]
Edited by FakeName, 04 June 2015 - 11:43 AM.
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Posted 02 June 2015 - 10:15 AM
#5
Posted 02 June 2015 - 10:27 AM
That user was a desperate, fuzz-disturbing troll and tried to use my identity on the APB forums as a justification of their views that Reloaded was some kind of evil corporation out to ruin games with monetizing everything and heavy-handed forum modding.
Needless to say I was not impressed.
Better to read ZombieBiscuit's reply, but some quick addresses:
- The Hawken dev team is separate from the APB one, as well as GamersFirst. LadyTiggs is the only shared staff (and maybe the website guy?)
- There's no evidence that Reloaded is in a rush to monetize anything. The past three months have been pure backend work and slowly approaching client builds.
tl;r old news, resolved
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Posted 02 June 2015 - 10:30 AM
But @ReEvolve: Don't delete that Reddit post, it is a good base for a heated discussion :]
ReEvolve was quoting the OP. He was agreeing with you in saying that the OP should leave the post up.

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Posted 04 June 2015 - 11:20 AM
#8
Posted 04 June 2015 - 11:54 AM
https://m.reddit.com...hawken_players/ is anyone concerned ?
nah i play apb and got hawken a few days ago i did many offers for 400 usd worth of free guns in apb and on top of this they gave me at least this much in loyalty rewards i did spend about 80 usd of my own cash and i bought 4 retail boxes for apb for 20 usd and that gave me 5 more guns a car and 4 months of premium i also got allot of stuff from events people are just trying to see the bad always (all best stuff in apb is free anyways only reason to buy anything is so you can save up ingame currency faster) also i won allot of premium (a year at least) and even some cars from mystery boxes half of which they gave for loyalty rewards also
Edited by FuzzyCupcake, 04 June 2015 - 11:59 AM.
#9
Posted 05 June 2015 - 06:33 AM
two words: toxic haters
That describes quite a big part of the audible APB playerbase. It's a game where trolls and cheaters have quite a very established community.
With Tiggs coming to G1 a lot went a laod better, there were suddenly much more acts versus this behavior and bans happened. It did actually not reduce the core issue of these people, because they still rerolled and stayed. but it heavily decreased their public behavior and noise they could make within APB and the Forum. So some went more into "making more hatestuff somewhere else".
Important is for you as a playerbase to not accept the integration of those toxic players amongst the hawken gamers, because with RP acquiring hawken, chances are there that these people test hawken, or just come here for the hating thing. or hacking for the lulz, which is more like a sports in APB than a real serious "I want to be better than you" thing. And with the f2p nature accounts are made quite easily to hack again.
And the Monetarising thing, well dunno, thats something people say that hardly play other MMO's. Sure a gun in APB is maybe up to 30$ or maybe 30$ for a car. But given that you don't even need this, because you can aquire it for ingame money as well, and both can be freely designed the price is just some early unlock. And many other games, mostly Asia MMO's charge you way harder for basic core features you can not even unlock with ingame currencies. And ontop those stuff is not even p2w in APB. Which is one of the really great things with RP, that most monetarised stuff is either cosmethics, or pay to advance.
In APB you can buy slotted wepaons, either ingame leased for ingame currency, when you have the weapon role unlocked, (which can take quite a looooot time) or you just buy it. Similar to how you do this with mechmodules in hawken. But those slot ability is often altering weapons than really improving them (aside a few exceptions). But even then skill stays the most important component in APB and those mods do not make you better at all.
True money grab are actually those Joker Mysteries Boxes. Tose contain by random a "Legendary" gun or premium time or a car unlock or mostly random 3 day lease guns. Some players throw hundreds or even thousends of dollars into those boxes to get the legendaries. But seriously, who is to blame if you spent money on a non necessary lottery feature? Probably not the Company if a player makes the active deicison to participate in this sales model.
Those legendaries are often rather unique designs, or having unique mods changing their mechanics. But so far none of them are some kind of p2w. And you can still buy them form other players for ingame money in the marketplace.
And then there is quite often sales or mor G1C to charge for APB, which actually makes a lot stuff cheaper, givne you have patience (which felt like 90% of the APB playerbase does not have).
The author told you about 2 p2w gusn beign added. well that is true, but he also does not tell you that the last 4 guns before added were mostly p2lose. The weapon design team in APB has quite a bad feelign about makign well balanced weapons. But there is currently a wepaon balance coming up and they finally made public testdistrict where everyone can test those weapons and give feedback. That was actually really needed since, most weapon balanecs truly had major issues, since there are many guns, but when 2 or 3 stick out a lot, this can ruin the entire wepaon diversity. But this is also mostly driven by the APB community, since they grab whatever gun is the most easy one for soem epeen enlargement in a game where not even soemthign special abotu winnign is included. Since APB ahs no ranking system at all, and the only "mark" is aa golden palte which is so easy to obtain that it's like mmr 1400 or such in hawken.
Yes new maps have not been in work in APB, also concent stagnates atm, but thats mostly caused by the engine overhaul they currently do. Those are quite core issues APB has, but they are a legacy form a giant Software APB was in it's upcoming days, now being managed by a low amount of devs left. It was a game that ate 100million dollar to that time, and G1 aquired it for 1million. I doubt Hawken has nearly the complexity in code as APB has and will not inheriet these Problems in that size. Especially since when APB was made, most basic stuff that exists today, like Antialising did not even existed in the unreal engine and they had to totally code that on their own.
And the mess the Player describes for the APB forum, that is mostly driven by the players themselves as well, who are unwilling to even make threads in the correct subsection and pull up the same topic 3x a day even if it already exists on the first page. And they still violate the CoC of their forum on intention and then rage, flame and whine hard when a mod closes this.
So better do not go to the APB forum, stay here, its better here, like heaven vs hell. The Fallen Earth forum also is not that f*cked up. Yet you do not see the FE players coming and writing this nonsense. Because they do simply not have this horrible mindset as it exists within the APB playerbase.
So stay aware and keep your community clean, its not even 10% as bad as the OP's links describes. The author of linked post is probably just a hater. and read his introduction: 11k hours playerd? APB can not be that bad, or he is just a giant fool sticking with something thats so bad?
tldr: don't believe it
Edited by Lily_from_animove, 05 June 2015 - 06:59 AM.
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