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Hey everyone. The TeamSpeak has been in service for a year now. It's been a wild ride and a pleasure to bring it to this community. I'm not going to bullsh!t you guys. The TeamSpeak costs money. No one person has that kind of money that they want to spend on the TeamSpeak. Previously, the ts was funded with a GoFundMe. The campaign has been reopened. Any and all contributions will be greatly appreciated. Server groups will be assigned to donors and all donations will be added to a publicly accessible document containing the balance of the ts. The funds will be used to keep the TeamSpeak operational and any excess will put into helping the community. Thank you for your support. If you have any questions you may contact me at HawkenTeamSpeak@gmail.com

Good luck out there pilots. I'll see you on the battlefield.

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Edit: forgot the link lol. gofundme.com/Hawkents

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Link doesn't work, just takes me to gofundme account creation. Use something else and I'll donate. 


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Link doesn't work, just takes me to gofundme account creation. Use something else and I'll donate.

It works now.

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have you maybe considered mumble/discord? afaik mumble has very similar (better, from some light googling) codecs compared to teamspeak, and iirc servers are free. discord also has free server hosting, with the added bonus of not requiring a dedicated client to run.


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have you maybe considered mumble/discord? afaik mumble has very similar (better, from some light googling) codecs compared to teamspeak, and iirc servers are free. discord also has free server hosting, with the added bonus of not requiring a dedicated client to run.

 

Can confirm that Discord is very good and has a lot of neat features as well as free server hosting.


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How much it cost for a year?



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How much it cost for a year?

 

I found that on google, but I dunno which kind of license is used, I'd say ~ 50$ but I may be wrong

 

https://sales.teamsp...com/pricing.php


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A 50 slot server hosted by gameservers.com is 12.71 a month. Multiply by twelve, you get $152.52 per year.
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discord for my game servers



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have you maybe considered mumble/discord? afaik mumble has very similar (better, from some light googling) codecs compared to teamspeak, and iirc servers are free. discord also has free server hosting, with the added bonus of not requiring a dedicated client to run.

 

I second the mumble option, though I'm pretty sure the only way you will get free mumble hosting for a 100+ slot server is by providing the hardware yourself.

 

Though I'm pretty sure you can host a teamspeak server in a similar manner.


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On the topic of using Discord, I can confirm it has free servers, many options for connecting, no need for a single dedicated client, amazing sound quality, much more stability, user icons and full account bans, an awesome overlay. However, it's lacking only when it comes to having nested voice channels. It's a planned feature, and we could certainly begin making the switch to Discord, but it'd be a bit odd for a time.


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also discord has a free mobile app, 10/10 would recommend discord


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I'm here to root for discord. It is very capable though lacking minor features. I think connecting from a browser without installing a client is a big plus.

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On the other hand, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." Teamspeak has worked so far but I wonder if it's worth it?


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"Teamspeak has worked so far but I wonder if it's worth it?"

Well, except for robovoices every night at some point.

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Donated.

Also, the thc teamspeak is still open for all to use should the hkts have issues or if you want to hide from everyone and still talk to your friends.

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Discord is a awesome voip software .better than team speak for me .i like it 



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"Teamspeak has worked so far but I wonder if it's worth it?"

Well, except for robovoices every night at some point.

...And I can't use it with my controller software for some reason.
I'd rather play than talk about playing, so I don't use TS.
I'd love mumble, will look at Discord.

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The problem with discord is that it does not offer nearly the level of administrative options as Teamspeak. I have looked into it and it is not a suitable replacement. The teamspeak currently runs around 350 a year for a 150 person server. The reason that the number is 150 is we are expecting an influx of players in the next year (we were expecting it last year as well). Once again I appreciate all of your support. 


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...And I can't use it with my controller software for some reason.
I'd rather play than talk about playing, so I don't use TS.
I'd love mumble, will look at Discord.

How does your controller software impact the teamsepeak? and why are you using a controller?


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I use a joystick, because that's how I roll. It has software (Madcatz) to translate inputs from axis>bands>keystrokes, etc

When I try to play with TS3 open my mech gets controller inputs despite me not touching anything.
I can see the cursor in TS3 scrolling through the nodes. The two programs just don't like eachother.

I was explaining to Lioot and when I opened TS3 it started filling steam chat window with keystrokes even when I wasn't playing Hawken or using the joystick at all. Close TS3, keystrokes stopped.

I like Hawken with joystick more than I like TS3. Hence not using TS3. The same problem does not exist with mumble.

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I use a joystick, because that's how I roll. It has software (Madcatz) to translate inputs from axis>bands>keystrokes, etc

When I try to play with TS3 open my mech gets controller inputs despite me not touching anything.
I can see the cursor in TS3 scrolling through the nodes. The two programs just don't like eachother.

I was explaining to Lioot and when I opened TS3 it started filling steam chat window with keystrokes even when I wasn't playing Hawken or using the joystick at all. Close TS3, keystrokes stopped.

I like Hawken with joystick more than I like TS3. Hence not using TS3. The same problem does not exist with mumble.

 

I've used TS3 with my joystick, didn't have those problems. Using joytokey as the software interface. Hope this helps.


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Hawken's Community TS has been an invaluable resource to our community.  Even helps us organize our TPG tournaments. 



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Yep, you and this server have done a lot to keep this community going. Donated and thank you.


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Donated some to the TS cause they allow me host UVW every week. Cheers.


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Alright, time to clarify some things, finally:

 

First off, thank you to all donors. A current, up-to-date summation of the costs associated with the HKTS can be found here.

 

Secondly, we will not be moving services. The HKTS was initially conceived as a centralized, stable place for the entire community to come together, outside of and irrespective of clan, team or skill level. This is served by having a single, unmoving server able to handle a reasonable number of people. As Merl pointed out, we are using the 150 person level in anticipation of an influx of players. The initial 50-person tier is regularly, if not often, broken (for example, this weekend) and 150 is a more realistic influx safety net than 100. The cost increase amounts to less than an average donation. 

 

In hindsight, while Gameservers' implementation of TeamSpeak is not ideal (particularly their billing model, which prompted this sudden drive), it was chosen at the time for being the most popular, accessible and cost-effective method of achieving the HKTS' goals of centrality and stability. At the time it was chosen over Ventrilo for obvious reasons and Mumble because of then-standing quality and capability issues that I have to admit are now moot. However, the change does not make up for the fact that right now I am pretty sure the address ts5.gameservers.com:9152 is saved to over 1050 unique machines and furthermore has been memorized by the community members that most often interact with new comers. That sort of permanence is not something that we are willing to give up with a move to a new address space or service.

 

Services such as Discord or whatever new thing will pop up this year are untried and relatively unstable. While Discord is extremely popular with small friends groups it is not useful beyond user levels reaching past 40 or from an administrative perspective. It is not acceptable to the HKTS to wait on "planned features" that are required for what amounts currently to weekly and bi-monthly events (WW, UVW, TPG Cups). Larger instances of Discord also suffer regular quality degradation at peak times. And while Gameservers has been jerking us around recently, it is not a regular thing. Additionally, as it has been suggested on the Reddit, while a VPS running a private installation would be the cheapest, most ideal solution, I don't want to have to deal with a bunch of Admins asking for access to the back-end of a Linux server and potentially screwing things up. Also, it is hella less reliable. Sorry amateur sysadmins, your expertise does not carry the weight or availability of a 24/7 corporate support team. So there go my dreams of having access to full fuzzing server logs.

 

Thirdly, as is demonstrated in the costs, we are capable of dispensing overflow funds. While last year we were less than communicative about our ability to sponsor events, that worked out as overflow has lessened our costs this year. In the case that we run up further overflow this year, the coffers of the HKTS will be advertised as well as open.

 

 

 

tl;dr not ripping anyone off; teamspeak is most reliable, popular and stable option and i will fight you over this; gib moniez plox


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First off, thank you to all donatees.

Donors. You illiterate buffoon.


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Donors. You illiterate buffoon.

You're adopted and nobody likes you.


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gib moniez plox


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I am pretty sure the address ts5.gameservers.com:9152 is saved to over 1050 unique machines and furthermore has been memorized by the community members that most often interact with new comers. That sort of permanence is not something that we are willing to give up with a move to a new address space or service.


*cough*use a domain with a SRV record you scrubs*cough*
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*cough*use a domain with a SRV record you scrubs*cough*

 

Additional cost.

 

Still requires a move from current.



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Additional cost.
 
Still requires a move from current.

~$10/year is trivial compared to the cost of the server.

That's why you should have set it up in the first place instead of running with ~obscure address~ and painting yourselves into a corner. >_>
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~$10/year is trivial compared to the cost of the server.

That's why you should have set it up in the first place instead of running with ~obscure address~ and painting yourselves into a corner. >_>

 

Yup.

 

Boy, look at all that hindsight.



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Boy, look at all that hindsight.


For me, this isn't so much hindsight as not repeating the mistakes of the past. I've seen I think every ts for hawken do this (maybe with an exception here or there), and seen multiple get burned because of this. Domain + SRV record gives you a stable domain and the ability to point at a server with a given port without even having to make people change their connection info. Plus you can get a clean url and are able to reuse the same address for other stuff, like a website (if desired).

You are probably screwed at this point (unless you want to push REALLY HARD to get everyone to go to a new address), but for future people doing this sort of stuff: Please look into this stuff  :smile:


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For me, this isn't so much hindsight as not repeating the mistakes of the past. I've seen I think every ts for hawken do this (maybe with an exception here or there), and seen multiple get burned because of this. Domain + SRV record gives you a stable domain and the ability to point at a server with a given port without even having to make people change their connection info. Plus you can get a clean url and are able to reuse the same address for other stuff, like a website (if desired).

You are probably screwed at this point (unless you want to push REALLY HARD to get everyone to go to a new address), but for future people doing this sort of stuff: Please look into this stuff  :smile:

 

Yeah, TAW had this, but when HKTS was being set up, it was being done so by a 16-year old with no understanding of DNS and with literally no inkling that Hawken was going to survive beyond a few months. HKTS was up literally three days before the fateful Facebook messages. Now it's just a matter of making the best of it.



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You are probably screwed at this point (unless you want to push REALLY HARD to get everyone to go to a new address), but for future people doing this sort of stuff: Please look into this stuff  :smile:

 

Given Hawken's current population, I'd assume there's no better time to get everyone to go to a new address than now.

 

Of course, I say that being totally ignorant of the effort and cost to change things around.


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Given Hawken's current population, I'd assume there's no better time to get everyone to go to a new address than now.

 

 

This is the thought that went through my head as well.  Do it BEFORE an update and large influx of new players.  The longer we wait, the worse the transition would be.



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*Update* We have almost reached our goal. Only 25$ left to go. Thank you all so much for the support. 


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UPDATE: Money got the last kill.... where is my last kill mech portrait?!?!?! MUAHAHA!


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UPDATE: Money got the last kill.... where is my last kill mech portrait?!?!?! MUAHAHA!

Thanks bro:) That wraps it up guys. Official recap coming tomorrow.

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Thanks bro:) That wraps it up guys. Official recap coming tomorrow.

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