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I don't know if it's already discuss before or not,

Because I can't find "MMR" topics using search option.

 

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I have a doubt with MMR calculation in this game.

I've played 3 games today,

1st games I've killed 10times and death 2 times. ( i've forgot how many assist I've made)

and my MMR only add 3 points.

 

2nd games, I've killed 7times and death 8 times.

I've been a 2nd rank on leaderboard position.

But my MMR falls by 16points.

 

3rd games, (I'm not joined it since the beginning) I've killed 2times and death 2 times.

My team wins, but I've become 4th position in leaderboard.

and my MMR decrease 3 points.

 

It makes me afraid to playing game.

because my MMR keep falling down.

 

MMR already absorb my world.

absorb my happiness-in game.

 

 

 

 

 



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Don't worry about MMR. Regularly concerning yourself with your MMR will lead to nothing put anguish. Try checking it once every time you log on instead of every game. At the end of the day, HAWKEN's here to be played. Enjoy the game! 


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MMR can be manipulated easily and Iused to intentionally lower my MMR a bit in order to join ANY game without needting to wait minutes in the MM Q.

 

But since I stopped playing HWK, this isn't a topic that bothers me anymore. 

 

My current MMR should be somewhere around 2300 now, but honestly, it is just there to lock em away from rooms. Screw this 'balance' I wanna play and I don't care about the damn noobs. Noobs are considered noobs because they are so incredibly unskilled that they evenh ave problems against AI. 

Don't get my wrong, I also get stoped by some players if they highly concentrate and tryhard, but I don't mind, I can always learn but furthermore I CAN PLAY AT ALL! xD

 

 

However, MMR points get calculated a little later so the first increase might coem from 2 gaems before and the drop comes from a match that ended 20 minutes ago. Atleast this is what Ashfire told me months (if not years) ago if I remember correctly.


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Remove Scrimbot and play. Problem solved.


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Remove Scrimbot and play. Problem solved.

 

But then what if scrimbot gets angry you removed him from your friends list and starts stalking you?


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Do you play the game to get MMR, or because you like the game?

Do you think MMR is more important than fun?

Should be pretty self-explanatory.


Edited by (KDR) Meraple, 08 November 2015 - 05:42 AM.

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Don't worry about MMR. Regularly concerning yourself with your MMR will lead to nothing put anguish. Try checking it once every time you log on instead of every game. At the end of the day, HAWKEN's here to be played. Enjoy the game! 

 

yeah, my mistake.

I've check it every game ends.

maybe that's why scrimbot makes allowance only 4 times asking.

 

 

However, MMR points get calculated a little later so the first increase might coem from 2 gaems before and the drop comes from a match that ended 20 minutes ago. Atleast this is what Ashfire told me months (if not years) ago if I remember correctly.

 

 

so it's not real time calculating following current match?

but adjust from previous match?

nahhh.. that's so confusing  :yucky:

 

Remove Scrimbot and play. Problem solved.

 

Thanks for the tips,

I removed it already,

hope can make it permanent.

 

 

Do you play the game to get MMR, or because you like the game?

Do you think MMR is more important than fun?

Should be pretty self-explanatory.

 

yeah, this is also my mistake.

at first I play for fun, but after i've known how to check MMR,

and see many pilot chasing higher mmr in game.

that's makes me aware of this thing.

:sad:  :sad:  :sad:  

 

I'm not playing for my team anymore.

I'm playing for my self...

that's really really bad..

:sad:  :sad: :sad:



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MMR is matchmaking rating.  It scores you on your ability to rank well (in score/min) against the other players in a match.  It is updated when the server rolls over to a new map, regardless of whether or not you're in the server any longer (assuming you were in that match longer than two minutes in the first place).

 

It has nothing to do with k/d, and only indirectly with killstreaks and multikills (things which generate a scoring bonus).

 

Do better than half the server regardless of team, and your MMR increases.  How much it increases is a different topic, one I've explained before.

 

Do worse than half the server regardless of team and your MMR drops. 

 

Thus, MMR is an indication of how much 'oomph' you can bring to a match, and where you should be matched (i.e. in servers where the average MMR is close to yours).

 

Unless you're a competitive SOB, ignore MMR and have fun.  If you're a competitive SOB, obsess over it and make decisions in game to keep you on top of the scoring.


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Do you play the game to get MMR, or because you like the game?

Do you think MMR is more important than fun?

Should be pretty self-explanatory.

 

 

Yep, very self-explanatory.

 

 

Also:

 

 

 

And there is absolutely no connection to MMRAPPLE in my steam friendlist. Nope.


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I lost about 40MMR from practicing lately and didn't mind.

Further practicing has brought it up a bit again.

 

 

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My Info:

 High-Rank EU Player 

Because I am?

It's called being informative.

I could write there that I'm just an average player, but that'd be misleading.

 

 

And there is absolutely no connection to MMRAPPLE in my steam friendlist. Nope.

That's the joke.

 

*It's Moeraple by now due to another joke.

 

 

As my profile states however, I most likely won't stay after the tourney's over.

Why would I care about my MMR if it has no effect on the tourney (which is what's keeping me here) at all?


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MMR is matchmaking rating. It scores you on your ability to rank well (in score/min) against the other players in a match. It is updated when the server rolls over to a new map, regardless of whether or not you're in the server any longer (assuming you were in that match longer than two minutes in the first place).

It has nothing to do with k/d, and only indirectly with killstreaks and multikills (things which generate a scoring bonus).

Do better than half the server regardless of team, and your MMR increases. How much it increases is a different topic, one I've explained before.

Do worse than half the server regardless of team and your MMR drops.

Thus, MMR is an indication of how much 'oomph' you can bring to a match, and where you should be matched (i.e. in servers where the average MMR is close to yours).

Unless you're a competitive SOB, ignore MMR and have fun. If you're a competitive SOB, obsess over it and make decisions in game to keep you on top of the scoring.


I have just read your topic, very detail and informative.
Sorry i couldn't find it before.
No, i'm not in competitive orientation.
LOL.

Yeah , i've played for fun.
I should get it out of my mindset.

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Remove Scrimbot and play. Problem solved.


If they want, I can assist people in this endeavor by banning them from scrimbot.  :tongue:
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Are we talking about a highly addictive drug? 

 

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I used to worry about MMR, then I took a Flak cannon to the knee.


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i'm having trouble with the title of this thread....

 

 

so like you were having fun playing the match, and then you check scrimbot and change your mind?  you can't just rewrite your past.


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I used to worry about MMR, then I took a Flak cannon to the knee.

 

 

S'about why I quit racing motorcycles.  'Cept it was my ankle.


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Fluctuations in MMR are an immutable fact of life. Focus on improving your skill and your MMR will trend generally upwards in the long term.

 

 

you can't just rewrite your past.

 

Not with that attitude.


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If they want, I can assist people in this endeavor by banning them from scrimbot.  :tongue:


OMFG,
i dont mean to remove scrimbot from my friend list.
but sir, could you please banned me from it?
thanks

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But then what if scrimbot gets angry you removed him from your friends list and starts stalking you?

Hey ash, we got a new feature request here!


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OMFG,
i dont mean to remove scrimbot from my friend list.
but sir, could you please banned me from it?
thanks


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OMFG,
i dont mean to remove scrimbot from my friend list.
but sir, could you please banned me from it?
thanks

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Big thanks sir! :)
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True pro players don't care about MMR.

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MMR means nothing, except so long it is lower than 2000 MMR you don`t know anything about the game.

Higher-MMR players generally know and grasp more about the game and it's mechanics.

It's (usually) one of the reasons they have a higher MMR afterall; it's only logical.

Not saying lower-MMR players know nothing, but generally they know less.

 

This ofcourse doesn't apply to everyone, but it's usually the case.

 

 

This is how I believe it sounds when people say MMR means nothing. 

That MMR means nothing is false; however, if someone plays the game for fun, it usually shouldn't mean much to that person.

If anything, MMR influences with whom you pub, regardless if you care about the number or not.

 

There are exceptions to the above, for example people wanting to play with friends outside of their MMR range.

However, there are ways to work around such exceptions.


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[they...[] can in the very same minute start mentioning their placement on the leaderboard and such. This may probably only affect me though since I a) am unhealthily competitive by nature and b) incompetent at learning new things.

 

I am VERY competitive by nature, and I feel fairly incompetent (and unable to let some challenges go... therefore, Hawken). 

 

I honestly cannot tell you my 'true MMR'.    I don't play one account long enough.  If you look up some known alts of mine, they're between 1900 and 2300. 

 

People scoff when I guesstimate, so I won't guesstimate here.

 

I play with the game's best - in their mains and in their alts.  I play with mid-tier, and when I'm with new players, I offer coaching (or leave if there are other matches).

 

MMR, to me, really does not affect how I play.  MMR to me, is a number I want to someday run to 3000.  MMR to me is a number I love taking away from other people.

 

I am VERY competitive by nature.


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Excuse my stupidity, wasn't a well thought out argument.

I'll leave the discussion, pretend I never was here.


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The only reason I care about mmr is cuz mmr locking is a thing. Less of an issue lately cuz I haven't really had time for pubs

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another one way is just accept you/i is noob and screw the score


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MMR to me is a number I love taking away from other people.

 

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another one way is just accept you/i is noob and screw the score

 

Hahaha yeahhh..

Excuse me, Noob wanna playyyy....

 

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Thanks for all your comment, I felt better right now...

Just play, didn't care about k/d rate, dont care about mmr...

dont care about leaderboard..

Just shoot and kill...

and death...  :teehee:


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Lol. Had this problem for a long time now - can't join a friend in a pub match because of "fitness range", and practice tanks my mmr hard.

I'm gonna say it again : take the lock off joining on a friend
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Lol. Had this problem for a long time now - can't join a friend in a pub match because of "fitness range", and practice tanks my mmr hard.

I'm gonna say it again : take the lock off joining on a friend

Or make a party.



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Or make a party.

That creates stacking issues. I'd rather let auto balance make teams for me.

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It should not restrict players from joining "Up" - only "Down".

 

If a player of a lower MMR wants to join a higher ranked match in pub lobbies, they should get a warning message like, "You are attempting to join a match which contains players of a significantly higher skill rating.  Are you sure you want to get stomped?"  And then matchmaking should carefully consider how to balance the teams with that player - if it can't find a good balance, it can ask them to wait or return to the queue.

 

And parties... again with that.  Parties would be fine and awesome if they'd just allow the matchmaker to break them up onto different teams.


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It should not restrict players from joining "Up" - only "Down".

Why?

 

A single low-MMR player joining a high-MMR match usually creates imbalance. (and frustration for the high-MMRs..)

There already aren't that many 2200+ pubs nowadays in EU - allowing anyone to join those will make them even rarer.

 

 

I feel like this is pretty much a dead horse.

I'm not sure why the suggestion I quoted keeps coming back.


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MMR is a guideline, it is not the end all to be all. But I will state that it is far, far easier to go down in points and way harder to go back up. This has been reported thousands of times over the last 3 yrs. So take the MMR rating with a grain of salt anyhow.


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I can't stop giggling at your English...i'm sorry, you convey your thoughts without issue, but it's just so...fun to read! Lol

 

MMR is fuzzy bunnyed.

 

That's it.

 

Just stop caring about it. I know it's tough - i personally enjoy improving it - but in it's current state, it's just not a trustworthy indicator of skill at all (at least not beyond ~2k-ish). There are many reasons for this.

 

Just enjoy the game, ignore MMR, and criticize yourself if you desire to improve. You will learn and grow much more if you care how you perform in various contexts, rather than how a number changed; try using no internals, using only primary or secondary weapons, playing with a mech you're not acquainted with- then go all out in your comfort zone (main mech, full items/internals) and see how much you've improved.

Basically, if you wish to improve (which i assume you do if you care about MMR at all), you can spend your time and brain-power much better than focusing on some flawed number. MMR will do nothing but annoy and confuse you.

 

But reading the comments in here, you probably already get it. Congrats on getting banned from Scrimbot ;) lol


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