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I keep capping at 90fps or less, but I know my GTX 780 should be very capable of pushing 140 frames. It actually did 140 for the first five minutes of the training mode game, but would drop permanently to 90 fps for no particular reason. I've even tried the check box smooth rate and the hawken engine options, but it still kept me under. I even tried overclocking my cpu (AMD fx 8150 4.4ghz) and still...same fuzzy bunny. It CAN hit 140fps, but for some reason after a few minutes it just suddenly drops to 90.

 

So hear's what I've heard around the web:

>GTX 700 series has a bug with hawken where it caps to 90fps suddenly 

 

>My amd is fuzzy bunny in the first place and I should have gotten a 4790k you plebeian 

 

need some help here

 

 



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Poop had some luck rolling back his driver version but that was for an AMD gpu. Have you tried .ini editing the ingame fps cap?

 

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Plebe. I have a 4790 and 2nd gen gtx770 2gb.


123fps rock steady. Maybe it is with amd?

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the hawken engine file? I haven't tried rolling back the driver, too little information about if it actually works.

 

yeah i've put it on ultra many times before and surprisingly my frames are the same as the low settings.  


Edited by Jelooboi, 25 August 2015 - 11:11 AM.


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Check your temps.


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enable smoothing FPSes



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enable smoothing FPSes

 

IIRC thats the opposite of the solution to this problem

 

If smooth capped FPS is on then it is likely to cause of OP's capped frames.

 

Anyway as eth0 said try changing the fps cap or you could try turning off capped smooth framerate in video settings


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IIRC thats the opposite of the solution to this problem

 

If smooth capped FPS is on then it is likely to cause of OP's capped frames.

 

Anyway as eth0 said try changing the fps cap or you could try turning off capped smooth framerate in video settings

 

If you leave capped smooth frame rate off then it caps at 90, while with it on it goes to a number set in the ini. A strange thing but this is how it works.

 

With that said, OP specifically stated he was able to hit 140 frames, but only for a while before it dropped, so I doubt a frame rate cap is the problem. The apparent delay in the problem implies to me that either his hardware is thermally throttling or there is a memory leak.


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>complaining about 90fps~

 

Goddamnit Jeloo stop whining you massive pleb


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If you leave capped smooth frame rate off then it caps at 90, while with it on it goes to a number set in the ini. A strange thing but this is how it works.

 

With that said, OP specifically stated he was able to hit 140 frames, but only for a while before it dropped, so I doubt a frame rate cap is the problem. The apparent delay in the problem implies to me that either his hardware is thermally throttling or there is a memory leak.

My temps are fine i forgot to mention that. which ini. file are you talking about exactly? the hawkenengine?

>while with it on it goes to a number set in the ini.

 

 

Please tell me where to find this option I think I missed this part 



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>complaining about 90fps~

 

Goddamnit Jeloo stop whining you massive pleb

I need 120fps so I can use my ultra low motion blur setting on my monitor



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Uh-oh, is Jelooboi gonna git super MLG frames and actually be good?!?!?


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My temps are fine i forgot to mention that. which ini. file are you talking about exactly? the hawkenengine?

 

I'd have to check, but I think so.

 

Look for bMaxSmoothedFramerate. I believe it is set to 122 by default however, so this may not be the solution.

Either way you should have capped smooth framerate on.


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Uh-oh, is Jelooboi gonna git super MLG frames and actually be good?!?!?

poop you care about your mmr too much ur not even a g2 raider pilot ur a scumbag 



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Uh-oh, is Jelooboi gonna git super MLG frames and actually be good?!?!?

 

poop you care about your mmr too much ur not even a g2 raider pilot ur a scumbag 

 

Kirk and I would be happy to commentate the G2R grudge match you two should have.


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poop you care about your mmr too much ur not even a g2 raider pilot ur a scumbag 

 

Kirk and I would be happy to commentate the G2R grudge match you two should have.

 

ITS fuzzy bunnyN ON  LETS THROW DOWN


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Alright, so I looked into my hardware info while playing training mode and the gtx 780 suddenly goes from %75 load to %61 load, no change in heat 60c. 

 

The drop happens especially when I've killed the bots in the other end of the map opposite from spawn.

wtf does this mean.

 

I changed the settings just like you said but still nope. 

 

Also forgot to mention the cpu load was the same during the entire gameplay, same thread use and everything. It probably is my 780...


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Its worth noting that this game also seems to straight up hate AMD cpus.


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ITS fuzzy bunnyN ON LETS THROW DOWN


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Alright, so I looked into my hardware info schedule and it looks like anytime this week will work for a commentated grudge match

 

Awesome, just let us know what time specifically works for you and we'll make it happen


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Nvidia Control Panel: Manage 3D Setting [Choose Hawken]: Power Management: set to Maximum.

 

Works for me.



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Its worth noting that this game also seems to straight up hate AMD cpus.

Not in my experience.  My Radeon runs Hawken (and every other game I've tried) as smooth as melted butter.  I got sick of dicking around with Nvidea's unstable drivers, constant required updates and obsessive tinkering, so I switched to AMD and have been happy ever since.


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Smothing should be fine to keep up with your monior refresh rate.  I play on a 144hz 4k Samsung TV, and it locks rock solid at 60 FPS,  looks fine.  I prefer the larger size of a 4K TV to a smaller monitor,  though I hear a 4k dedicated monitor will be out soon, 55" or so.  

 

Also,  what windows are you running?  I had 8.1,   and when I switched to 7 Pro,  my PC boot times took a bit longer, but gameplay is SO much quicker and smoother under 7 pro,   than 8.   And I've heard to wait a bit for 10.   I'm happy with 7 Pro.  

 

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Not in my experience.  My Radeon runs Hawken (and every other game I've tried) as smooth as melted butter.  I got sick of dicking around with Nvidea's unstable drivers, constant required updates and obsessive tinkering, so I switched to AMD and have been happy ever since.

 

AMD GPUs do fine, CPUs not so much. Piledriver chokes on this game hard.

 

 

Smothing should be fine to keep up with your monior refresh rate.  I play on a 144hz 4k Samsung TV, and it locks rock solid at 60 FPS,  looks fine.  I prefer the larger size of a 4K TV to a smaller monitor,  though I hear a 4k dedicated monitor will be out soon, 55" or so.  

 

Also,  what windows are you running?  I had 8.1,   and when I switched to 7 Pro,  my PC boot times took a bit longer, but gameplay is SO much quicker and smoother under 7 pro,   than 8.   And I've heard to wait a bit for 10.   I'm happy with 7 Pro.  

 

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Running that setup at 60fps is a tragedy. Based on GPU scaling and the performance I get with a 970, you might be able to crank out upwards of 300 fps in Hawken.


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^Ah, my bad.  I missed that you wrote "C"pu, not "G"pu.  I suppose it's worth remembering that AMD Cpu's are a completely different division than the ATI/AMD Gpu's.


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With HAWKEN being the only thing I ever run at any one time I can play on ultra with physx going at a stable 100-120 at all times bar a 24 player lobby. This is with my new g970. I still only ever went down to 70 with my old AMD card on ultra settings. I'm no computer expert in the slightest but I have only like 8 games total on my computer so. Dunno if that could be why

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Can confirm from experience Hawken runs pretty badly on AMD rigs in comparable price range with NVIDIA/Intel rigs.

 

AMD 8350 (4.1 GHz 8 core)

 

AMD R9 280x 3gb

 

BF4 on high I get 90 avg fps. Even with 64 player games.

 

Hawken on medium and I get 80 for the first hour of play then it drops to 50s and can even get to 30 if it gets bad. Pretty temperamental fps in Hawken and in no other games that I have. Many of which are much more graphically demanding than Hawken.


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I use Radeon pro for sapphire r9 280x toxic card. 

I limit frames to monitor refresh rate, turn on vsync to always ON (turned off in hawken) and it's smooth as a butter.

Feels much better than 122fps ,360fps or whatever your frame cap is at.

Yet It's on steady 60fps.

 

I think there is Nvidia Inspector software which does the same for nvidia cards.


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I use Radeon pro for sapphire r9 280x toxic card. 

I limit frames to monitor refresh rate, turn on vsync to always ON (turned off in hawken) and it's smooth as a butter.

Feels much better than 122fps ,360fps or whatever your frame cap is at.

Yet It's on steady 60fps.

 

I think there is Nvidia Inspector software which does the same for nvidia cards.

Trying this out with Hawken now. Will report if it helps me out! Thanks for sharing.


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Q9550 @ 2.83Ghz (stock)

ASUS R9 290X  4GB (factory OC)

8GB DDR2

27" BENQ 120Hz 1920x1080 1ms

 

Avg 50-60 fps on medium settings with Vsync off

Once I upgrade my system to a 1150 socket that will get rid of the bottleneck my gpu is under and should see a great improvement.

 

But even with the above components, Hawken looks good and runs pretty smooth. Also moving from Vista to Win7 Pro should help.

 

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AMD GPUs do fine, CPUs not so much. Piledriver chokes on this game hard.

 

 

 

Running that setup at 60fps is a tragedy. Based on GPU scaling and the performance I get with a 970, you might be able to crank out upwards of 300 fps 

I know, I know.... it's the price I pay for using my TV in my living room for gaming.   It's a 55" Samsung UHD 4K TV,  looks amazing.   a bit temperamental,  but I hear they're working on a dedicated monitor version with double the Hz.   I'll be keeping my eye on the market. 


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Radeon pro has worked really well. It has kind of thrown me off having smooth game play in Hawken. But I am cruising around 60 fps, mostly steady, even while streaming at 720p on twitch.

 

Any AMD card owners having fps issues in Hawken. I recommend frequently restarting the game. AS well as use of Radeon Pro.


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Radeon pro has worked really well. It has kind of thrown me off having smooth game play in Hawken. But I am cruising around 60 fps, mostly steady, even while streaming at 720p on twitch.

 

Any AMD card owners having fps issues in Hawken. I recommend frequently restarting the game. AS well as use of Radeon Pro.

 

When you say Radeon Pro, are you referring to AMD CCC or something else ?

 

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Great tool! I have used it in the  last few months (limited frames to monitor refresh rate and vsync ON)
and the game experience was noticeably better.Smooth.
Sadly CCC doesn't have this level of control over your card. Wish someone told me earlier about this tool. 

There was version 2 in motion but the maker is working for Raptr now, so he delayed it.

You can run RP alongside CCC,MSi afterburner etc. I have tested it.If some apps fail to start suddenly,

try disabling API monitoring in Settings.

 

If you have 60Hz monitor those additional frames will do nothing significant.

Steady 60fps and everything runs smooth, no tearing, shaking, incomplete frames.


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AMD GPUs do fine, CPUs not so much. Piledriver chokes on this game hard.


What would exactly be causing that? Makes very little sense to me but I can anecdotally confirm it, I have a overclocked FX8350 (4.8 Turbo) with 16GB or RAM and GTX 960 that is pretty beastly in everything else but Hakwen is not smooth at all.

On the other hand I built a super budget gaming rig for a co-worker 1.5 years ago around a dual core Ahtlon and 7600 (or something similar) and it ran Hawken great……
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