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I'm curious as to how people view the current price of reticles and HUD colors, so I made this little poll to hopefully get some good feedback.  Would be interesting to see if my sentiment is common or not.

 

Current prices

Reticles: 216 MC or 3850 HC

Colors: 144 MC or 2500 HC

 

http://strawpoll.me/4143970


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I think this kind of "client-sided minor customisation" should be free or at least (all) the HUD colours for free


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It would be nice if the HUD colors were just RGB sliders, but since they are monetized already that could be messy.


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I use the free colors. I'm okay with reticles, esp. since they are global. Maybe a small price drop but they're pretty good as is.
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I use the free colors. I'm okay with reticles, esp. since they are global. Maybe a small price drop but they're pretty good as is.

Yeah the reticles could be cheaper but I only use the free colors as well.


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I'm a little surprised at how paid is beating free.  Anyone mind explaining why they think these should be paid, or why they should be free?


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Honestly I feel like the only reason ADH monetized this stuff is because they were already struggling with finances.

 

I don't think this is something that should cost money or require grinding, since some people (like myself) suffer from sight problems and depend on HUD customizations just to achieve functional user-readability.

 

If they want to charge for some REALLY flashy HUD overhaul type things, that basically change the entire look of it then that's fine, since it takes some effort and work to build those. Like for example, allowing people to use the pre-ascension HUD/Cockpit models and maybe designing some new ones in the future.

 

I just don't want basic features that almost every other game natively has being a cash grab. It comes off as greedy and it's inconvenient.


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Where's the option for MC only at a raised price????????????????


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As a guy with glasses and can`t see jack sh*t, having them free would be the best. They never charged before Ascension, so why now?


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Honestly I feel like the only reason ADH monetized this stuff is because they were already struggling with finances.

 

I don't think this is something that should cost money or require grinding, since some people (like myself) suffer from sight problems and depend on HUD customizations just to achieve functional user-readability.

 

If they want to charge for some REALLY flashy HUD overhaul type things, that basically change the entire look of it then that's fine, since it takes some effort and work to build those. Like for example, allowing people to use the pre-ascension HUD/Cockpit models and maybe designing some new ones in the future.

 

I just don't want basic features that almost every other game natively has being a cash grab. It comes off as greedy and it's inconvenient.

 

 

As a guy with glasses and can`t see jack sh*t, having them free would be the best. They never charged before Ascension, so why now?

 

 

^ This exactly. The HUD colours absolutely must be free. I am less sure about free reticules but given how simple they are, and how weapons typically provide visual feedback for primary and secondary mode, I believe they should be made free as well. Reticules and HUD colours are simply too important to be monetized or otherwise put behind a grind wall.


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I have paid for different reticules to try, and maybe also bought one of the colors to improve visibility for myself. They should be free but Meathesive chose to monetize them--some of the last things they put out. Saturation improvements or options are needed. A "Red" reticule almost looks pink, and doesn't contrast like I wanted.

 

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Reticles should cost MC or HC ~200.  Colors should be free.  Sweet custom reticles to change things up and make it badass is worth a few, theres nothing wrong with the starter set.  Color seems like its just a slider and some color setpoint in the game and should be adjusted as needed


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Reticules  should be free. It is not only cosmetic.  It is something that makes a difference and puts a brand new player at a disadvantage imo. Make the stock one better and  its less of an issue.

 

When reticules  had a charge I really thought that crossed some line felt nickled and dimed.


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The reticules are more expensive than a mech. This needs to change.

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The base reticle is terrible. It's so bad I decided to use a custom overlay before they made the options to change it up. I don't remember if it's this way now, but they should make one of the round sets of reticles free, at the very least, because of how bad the base one is. The free colors, do they cover enough hues for the colorblind folks? If not, I think they should make those free. I'm ok with them monetizing the other, fancier reticle designs, and I'm glad that at least everything is purchaseable with MC AND HC.

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I just use the reticle overlay built into my monitor.  Casual Scrubs.


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I just use the reticle overlay built into my monitor.  Casual Scrubs.

 

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I just use the reticle overlay built into my monitor.  Casual Scrubs.

 

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Since I suffer from color blindness it would be very helpful if colors in hud and reticles were free. If not purchasable by HC.


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Since I suffer from color blindness it would be very helpful if colors in hud and reticles were free. If not purchasable by HC.


They ARE purchasable via HC. I'm going to go ahead and disagree with everyone posting here with a minor concession. This is a free to play game so ANYTHING cosmetic is fair game for the owners to try to make some scratch. HOWEVER! the game should have a "color blind mode" in the settings so that people with this condition are not at a disadvantage.

You want crazy/fancy colors? Pay for them or grind them out. A free game doesn't owe you squat.
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This is a free to play game so ANYTHING cosmetic is fair game for the owners to try to make some scratch.

The reticles are arguably not purely cosmetic, otherwise people wouldn't be using external software to make new reticles for themselves. Not saying you said they were, just saying for the record.

 

If anything, I think they should make the circular reticle the default one and make the current default one something you pay for, because I do feel the devs deserve to make money off stuff they make available to us.


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Really? It seems impossible that Interrobang87 did not suggest that colours and crosshairs are purely cosmetic.

A useful, functional crosshair would supposedly be easy to see, does not obstruct vision, attract too much attention, visible across a wide variety of surfaces and backgrounds, and indicate important game mechanical actions such as recoil or spread. Several of Hawken's crosshairs (including the defaults) are very difficult to see and easy to lose in a battle. Crosshairs, incredibly, are not implemented on a per-secondary basis -- the default seconary crosshair is without a doubt worse for the Grenade Launcher and Rev-GL compared to the trajectory crosshair that provides distance markings to help a player learn and adjust shots.

Colours are also evidently, obviously, not purely cosmetic. I would recommend setting all HUD colours to the same variant of yellow -- the player will both be unable to differentiate between allies and enemies (and their respective chat messages without also opening the scoreboard to match speaker with team) as well as be unable to find precious repair orbs on the radar (because repair orbs, and similarly, EU, are yellow and green respectively and their colours cannot be customized to avoid blending in with the radar's colour, yellow or green).

Then this player should come back and try to honestly say that crosshairs, colours (i.e. readability) are purely cosmetic.

Why not also explain how colours can be "crazy/fancy?"

"a free game" -> Hawken? A "free game"? Selling readability? Okay then.

EDIT: A relatively simple suggestion would simply be to allow players to pick a primary-secondary reticle pair free of charge. I do not support any monetization of colours though. I would support a "colourblind mode" option but such an option would have to work for different colourblind conditions, or that there should exist multiple colourblind options for each condition.

At this point, I do believe that monetizing colour is evidently unfair. There are in-game items that sell for less than digital accessibility. What can the reader make of this?

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They should either be free, or at most like 200 HC each. That way it would only take a match or two to get a new one.


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A balance for the current pricing could be to significantly lower the cost of crosshairs and HUD colors, but have them apply to only one mech.



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Just make a crosshair (reticle) that allows me to see what I'm aiming at. Crosshairs can be very cosmetic but they are also a very important and necessary piece of equipment needed to play effectively.

 

If they are to be a purchased with MC credit, please make them affordable and a solid base reticle should be offered for free along with colors.

 

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They ARE purchasable via HC. I'm going to go ahead and disagree with everyone posting here with a minor concession. This is a free to play game so ANYTHING cosmetic is fair game for the owners to try to make some scratch. HOWEVER! the game should have a "color blind mode" in the settings so that people with this condition are not at a disadvantage.
You want crazy/fancy colors? Pay for them or grind them out. A free game doesn't owe you squat.


Agreed.

I can't believe people are legitimately complaining about paying for cosmetics. How are the devs supposed to make any money? People complain about mech prices, the HON price, and now reticles? Really? Gimme a break.

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That is a reason why I want the HC price to be lowered. Some of the stuff is a bit much considering it's more expensive than a few mechs, all the internals, and some of the items. Really I think the HC prices for everything should be rethought, not just cosmetics, but I understand that they do need to make money so I never wanted it to be absolutely free.

 

Also, changing the colors of the default would be nice. Being limited to trimlines kinda sucks.



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you know what I would pay for?!?

 

Transparent minmap overlaying most of the screen, leave the ret clear, but just put the damn thing surrounding it.

 

Make it VERY transparent and make spotted mechs shine.



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The players who call the reticles cosmetic should go play with them turned off for a few hundred matches. I am interested in the results.
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The players who call the reticles cosmetic should go play with them turned off for a few hundred matches. I am interested in the results.

 

The ones up for purchase are cosmetic because players have a perfectly functional reticle by default. 


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Those that are whining that reticles and huds should be free should put on the dev's shoes and see how you feel about providing free stuff while you're trying to make a living.

 

Devs need money to keep the game going.   Cosmetics is the only way they can do it, otherwise it becomes the Pay to Win whining show again.

 

 

You want to keep playing Hawken?  Then support the damn team by buying cosmetics!


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Those that are whining that reticles and huds should be free should put on the dev's shoes and see how you feel about providing free stuff while you're trying to make a living.

 

Devs need money to keep the game going.   Cosmetics is the only way they can do it, otherwise it becomes the Pay to Win whining show again.

 

 

You want to keep playing Hawken?  Then support the damn team by buying cosmetics!

 

Nobody is saying we don't want to support Hawken. Many of us in this thread have put hundreds of dollars into this game and will likely continue to do so. We are saying that the monetization of reticles and HUD colours is, at best, an inefficient cash-flow generator due to low interest in a service that almost every other FPS offers for free.



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I have a mild colorblindness of some sorts. Don't forget there  are different types and severity lvls of colorblindness. colorblind mode might not work for everybody and still look good so letting people customize that by default would be a logical thing to do. I think I was fine with just using free colors but using paid ones Ive achieved better results. So meh.. they should be free. Those are just colors ffs.



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Nobody is saying we don't want to support Hawken. Many of us in this thread have put hundreds of dollars into this game and will likely continue to do so. We are saying that the monetization of reticles and HUD colours is, at best, an inefficient cash-flow generator due to low interest in a service that almost every other FPS offers for free.

 

There is a free option, all you have to do it play the game for a bit for some HC. Like I said, there's been 3x HC, and 2x HC weekends for the last 2 weeks.

 

However, I agree there should to be a colorblind mode in the graphics settings for users who need that feature.


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Really? It seems impossible that Interrobang87 did not suggest that colours and crosshairs are purely cosmetic.

A useful, functional crosshair would supposedly be easy to see, does not obstruct vision, attract too much attention, visible across a wide variety of surfaces and backgrounds, and indicate important game mechanical actions such as recoil or spread. Several of Hawken's crosshairs (including the defaults) are very difficult to see and easy to lose in a battle. Crosshairs, incredibly, are not implemented on a per-secondary basis -- the default seconary crosshair is without a doubt worse for the Grenade Launcher and Rev-GL compared to the trajectory crosshair that provides distance markings to help a player learn and adjust shots.

Colours are also evidently, obviously, not purely cosmetic. I would recommend setting all HUD colours to the same variant of yellow -- the player will both be unable to differentiate between allies and enemies (and their respective chat messages without also opening the scoreboard to match speaker with team) as well as be unable to find precious repair orbs on the radar (because repair orbs, and similarly, EU, are yellow and green respectively and their colours cannot be customized to avoid blending in with the radar's colour, yellow or green).

Then this player should come back and try to honestly say that crosshairs, colours (i.e. readability) are purely cosmetic.

Why not also explain how colours can be "crazy/fancy?"

"a free game" -> Hawken? A "free game"? Selling readability? Okay then.

EDIT: A relatively simple suggestion would simply be to allow players to pick a primary-secondary reticle pair free of charge. I do not support any monetization of colours though. I would support a "colourblind mode" option but such an option would have to work for different colourblind conditions, or that there should exist multiple colourblind options for each condition.

At this point, I do believe that monetizing colour is evidently unfair. There are in-game items that sell for less than digital accessibility. What can the reader make of this?

 

I think when you first play the game it should let you pick the colors you want for friend and foe and it because your default colors.  Later if you want to change them, then you will have to pay.  The only problem with this is, if you are new player you might not know what colors work best for you and you are stuck with the colors you picked.  It would be nice to hear from people that are color blinded on what they think of the default colors.



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There is a free option, all you have to do it play the game for a bit for some HC. Like I said, there's been 3x HC, and 2x HC weekends for the last 2 weeks.

 

However, I agree there should to be a colorblind mode in the graphics settings for users who need that feature.

So how about those people that come to the game after those bonus events expire, or didn't get a chance to play during them?  Bonus HC events are a poor excuse for economy balancing as they are atypical.  Even in light of that, each crosshair costs roughly 1/3 to 1/2 the price of a new mech, and colors are about 1/5 to 1/3 of a new mech.  Does that not seem a bit steep to you?

 

Crosshairs and HUD colors aren't even really pure cosmetic, as they can drastically improve player performance.  Seems like a lot of people think the default crosshair is pretty bad, and that's supported by almost all the footage I've seen from high tier players using non-default crosshairs.  Devotion is the only one who comes to mind as using default (I think).  Colorblind mode is kind of accomplished through the free color options, but still feels unnecessarily limited.  Are these all the colors that are going to be allowed in the game?  Are they going to add a few more dozen/hundred/thousand (there's lots of colors out there), each at 144 MC/2500 HC?

 

In any case, thanks to everyone who has voted so far.  This is a much hotter topic than I had imagined  :thumbsup:


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Pie-in-the-sky, I'd REALLY like to be able to select individual colors for individual elements of the UI. There is ZERO reason my health bar should have to be the same color as my team, radar, and crosshair (else the cross hair being barely-visible white). I should be able to make my crosshair orange, the enemy team red, my health bar blue, and my radar color and friendies green.
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There is ZERO reason my health bar should have to be the same color as my team, radar, and crosshair (else the cross hair being barely-visible white).

 

That might not be the case. Considering the last thing the old devs said before the vanished into the abyss was that they were dealing with 'technical debt' it's not unreasonable to assume that the HUD may have some wonky code limitations in its current itteraton.

 

On topic, Toxikk actually has a crosshair system that I would love to see in Hawken. The color of the reticle, glow color, rotation, croshair type, size, etc all all modified by sliders. It might be a stretch considering how the current system is monetized, but a man can dream.


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So how about those people that come to the game after those bonus events expire, or didn't get a chance to play during them?  Bonus HC events are a poor excuse for economy balancing as they are atypical.  Even in light of that, each crosshair costs roughly 1/3 to 1/2 the price of a new mech, and colors are about 1/5 to 1/3 of a new mech.  Does that not seem a bit steep to you?

 

Crosshairs and HUD colors aren't even really pure cosmetic, as they can drastically improve player performance.  Seems like a lot of people think the default crosshair is pretty bad, and that's supported by almost all the footage I've seen from high tier players using non-default crosshairs.  Devotion is the only one who comes to mind as using default (I think).  Colorblind mode is kind of accomplished through the free color options, but still feels unnecessarily limited.  Are these all the colors that are going to be allowed in the game?  Are they going to add a few more dozen/hundred/thousand (there's lots of colors out there), each at 144 MC/2500 HC?

 

In any case, thanks to everyone who has voted so far.  This is a much hotter topic than I had imagined  :thumbsup:

 

There's free color options, and HC is not really money. The only cost is time. And events are fair to consider because who's to say there won't be more, and what the frequency will be for said events. 


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