If you can get the rhythm down, PPA is objectively the best.
It's not objectively the best. It's simply the best at dealing damage.
If you can get the rhythm down, PPA is objectively the best.
It's not objectively the best. It's simply the best at dealing damage.
It's not objectively the best. It's simply the best at dealing damage.
Thank you. And agreed.
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Just because it's "proven" doesn't make it true.
Take a second and re-read what you wrote here.
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Take a second and re-read what you wrote here.
"Proven" doesn't denote actually proven, hence the quotes. I admit that I don't know the exact context that comment was made in, but I think I understand what he was saying in that particular excerpt you commented on.
This thread is exactly what the forums needed ever since the topic about the delay was locked.
"Proven" doesn't denote actually proven, hence the quotes. I admit that I don't know the exact context that comment was made in, but I think I understand what he was saying in that particular excerpt you commented on.
I would honestly say that it's definitely proven that someone with a PPA incin that can swing it is better than the same person with the mama or bby. 100% nailed down, no contest. The only way to "prove" it is by players winning with it, and the winningest players do so with the PPA to the point of ignoring the other weapons.
Edited by &THC& comic_sans, 09 May 2015 - 05:00 PM.
Incin is good because SAARE is good. PPA gives you more heat than the MAMA to shoot more SAARE shots.
It's that simple.
Thread over, please.
Furthermore, just because you're afraid to break the Meta because that's what Omni uses, doesn't make anything a fact. I'm glad you run the meta build. It's a winning strategy. For now. And when the new meta comes, and it will, you'll talk about how much experience you have and how that's the new tried and true method to success, but you remember this post because game changers will come as Omni did, and they will put the new meta in order. Or maybe Omni will develop a new meta, but it will change. You will see.
So much wrong.
You're insinuating that we're "afraid to break the meta."
The "meta" has remained unchanged since the last balance update, over a year ago. We're not afraid to break anything. There's simply no reason to use the other available tools. We've settled on what we currently use because we've tested every alternative.
Prior to that, the game was in a state of rapid change, i.e. sweeping balance changes by the month. We've gone through those changes, and have remained on top through those changes. You're viewing this as if we haven't taken change into consideration.
When the game changes, we'll reformat our playstyles/team comp/strategy, or whatever else needs to change based on balance tweaks. Just as we've been doing for the lifetime of the game.
Edited by Xacius, 09 May 2015 - 05:26 PM.
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If the leaderboards aren't real, then how can our MMR be real?
Yeah, in any high tier competition, players will use whatever they can to get a leg up on their opponents. High tiered players want efficiency above all.
PPA Incin is efficient in DPS. Orb lording is efficient in tanking. People who want the raise delay removed want efficiency in attacking.
Conversely, turret mode is generally considered useless because it's inefficient against foes in general use. Vulcan is inefficient due to its start up.
It's like high tiered MVC3 players, you will largely see the same set of characters in the same roles because of efficiency.
If you don't take care to be an efficient player, you won't get too far ahead in competitive play.
Personally, I'm not too efficient of a player (relative inexperience in Hawken/FPSes/competitive gaming/PC shooters as well as a laptop which can barely give me 30 FPS), but I understand that a competitive player wants efficiency. Whenever a big change is made, what becomes efficient changes.
My point is that, Baron, I get your concerns, but a competitive player wants efficiency overall. If something works more than the others, why use anything else? It's a certain mindset that competitive players, from what I've seen on these forums, tend to have.
Not to say personal taste never becomes a factor, but it's not as big as the metagame.
Did anyone stop to ask the OP if they wanted to play competitively? I mean using the PPA as it is the best is all fine and dandy but if the OP isn't having any fun playing the PPA then I say play what you want.
Judging by the op's posts, it seems that he doesn't understand how to use the PPA. Crafty made a great post and hopefully he learned from the thread.
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I have the incinerator and love it. It is fun as hell to use. I have all 3 weapons and personally prefer the BBY. I can pretty much continuously stream fire balls all over the map. I've learned the "lob" effect and can put them all over the place and hit people flying and put them mostly where I want them. I love to watch people scatter like rats. Very funny. It's a good support mech. But don't expect to be the high player in points. It is possible but only in very skilled hands. Maybe other people are more proficient with the other guns but my preference is the BBY. OF course that's my two old pennies worth. Your mileage may vary. :D
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It's important to note that noone's telling the OP that he/she cannot use the M4M4. Nor is anyone stating that players must always use the most competitive weapon.
That being said, it's obvious that the OP hasn't learned to properly use the PPA. I don't think there's anything wrong with (politely) pointing out that fact and providing instructions on the weapon's use. It's also obvious - at least to most veteran players - that the PPA's the strongest primary option for the incinerator. Vets who see a less-experienced player indicate otherwise are going to correct what they perceive as misinformation.
None of that is wrong or bad or "elitist" - and the vast majority of posters within this thread have behaved politely throughout.
This thread is exactly what the forums needed ever since the topic about the delay was locked.
It may not take much longer for this one to be locked also
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It's important to note that noone's telling the OP that he/she cannot use the M4M4. Nor is anyone stating that players must always use the most competitive weapon.
That being said, it's obvious that the OP hasn't learned to properly use the PPA. I don't think there's anything wrong with (politely) pointing out that fact and providing instructions on the weapon's use. It's also obvious - at least to most veteran players - that the PPA's the strongest primary option for the incinerator. Vets who see a less-experienced player indicate otherwise are going to correct what they perceive as misinformation.
None of that is wrong or bad or "elitist" - and the vast majority of posters within this thread have behaved politely throughout.
I would like to note that no one said that was bad or "elitist". My Elitism gripe is only with a very specific individual. I also don't think anyone has been out of line in this thread excep.... Okay I'll stop. >.<
My point is that the merits of the M4M4 can be argued as a prefered weapon in both mid and high tier combat. After reviewing my posts to see if I was the cause of any confusion, I suppose that I was. I do, honestly feel that the M4M4 can be better than the PPA however true that may or may not seem. However, my point has never been that it IS in fact better than. My point is that it can be argued, reliably, that it is better and I do feel that that's fair and should be a talking point more often. To be fair, I was imediately jumped on by a certain individual and was barated because this gentlemen puts himself on a pedestal.
However. To not derail the thread any further, I'll put it like this. The M4M4 is a great weapon if you can stick with your team so that you can generate enough heat to lob the bigger fire balls. Failing that, if you're a lone wolf, the PPA is going to be better, do note that the learning curve is much higher than either the BBY or the M4M4.
With all of this in mind, I'll edit my initial post to be more PC to a certain individual that ruffled my feathers.
Note: The individual in question is neither Nept or Xacius.
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I would like to note that no one said that was bad or "elitist". My Elitism gripe is only with a very specific individual. ... Note: The individual in question is neither Nept or Xacius.
Is it Panzer?
Is it Panzer?
>.> Panzer and I have never had an issue. At least, I hope not.
Also. I apologize if I got out of line with anyone. I'll own that and I'm sorry if my tone was overly bassy. It was not my intention.
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I dunno man, he's definitely coming across as a massive elitist in this thread. It's probably him.
You didn't, and everyone talks fuzzy bunny all the time so it wouldn't really matter anyway. Good on you for apologizing, though.
I dunno man, he's definitely coming across as a massive elitist in this thread. It's probably him.
How?
Also, I've had no beef with Baron. Sure he's a tech user and is more than likely a horrible monster, but I've no beef with him.
How?
Also, I've had no beef with Baron. Sure he's a tech user and is more than likely a horrible monster, but I've no beef with him.
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You were one of the most impartial and polite people in this thread. Sarcasm doesn't transfer well over text I guess
Wouldn't be the first time for me. I was afraid that post was being misunderstood.
I would like to note that no one said that was bad or "elitist". My Elitism gripe is only with a very specific individual. I also don't think anyone has been out of line in this thread excep.... Okay I'll stop. >.<
Oh, no - didn't mean it that way. Just posted that part because it's a popular retort/derail. Figured I'd preempt anyone coming in and going blah blah blah elitism. Wasn't in response to anything that you'd been posting.
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Bruh! Bruh! Being a horrible monster has nothing to do with me playing a tech.
I would like to point out that Baron eats children with BBQ sauce!!
Pffttt crud hooligan! Everyone knows you use Ranch Dressing!!
I swear the manners of some people. sigh.................
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I would like to point out that Baron eats children with BBQ sauce!!
Pffttt crud hooligan! Everyone knows you use Ranch Dressing!!
I swear the manners of some people. sigh.................
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