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First of all, I'm a "prude", OK?  Because of my beliefs, I've already said that I (ME, personally) don't want to see profanity, sexual content and graphic violence in our household's entertainment, especially since my son is also playing.  That's what attracted us to this game.  No profanity in game (we don't use audio chat), and its just mechs exploding (and yes, I know they have pilots inside).  There is also a profanity filter which works "OK".  I'm still surprised what is able to sneak thru the filter.  But I can mute other players, and have done so dozens of times already (sometimes just because they are insulting), so I never see what they say anymore.

 

But what I CAN'T seem to avoid are some of the vile, racist, sexist, sexual, and "denigrating" names that players choose.  I can't avoid seeing it before and after the battle, I can't avoid seeing it on the battlefield, and I can't avoid seeing it when I'm killed by them (which is often).  

 

Here are examples of what I'm talking about, without naming names:  1) Incorporating profanity, including the "F" word, into a player name.  2) References to various sexual acts, sometimes even violent or unwelcome acts.  3) Racist terms.  4) Terms that are sexist in the manner that they describe, or speak to, women.  5)  Terms that would be offensive to those in the LGBT crowd.  6) Names and phrases that would be deliberately/overtly offensive to members of various world religions.

 

You all have at least one player in mind now, having seen this list.  So here's the question:  How are names like this getting "approved"?  Do the names we choose even need to be approved?  Is there no censorship at all by the DEVs?  Am I supposed to "report" offensive names like I just described?

 

Serious questions here.  Why risk losing players, and possibly their money (my son and I have already made purchases), just because they won't more closely monitor the names that players choose?  Why risk the negative feedback in the press, on Facebook, and in forums?  If the game adopted a stricter naming convention, would some of you Veterans suddenly quit playing the game just because of that?

 

So last night I reached a decision, for our household at least.  My son and I will instantly leave any match where we see names like I just described.  Trust me, it won't hurt my team that badly, as I'm still terrible.  It might actually be helping you :)  It WILL hurt my son's teams, as he is a very good player.  My MMR is pathetic already, and I don't care about that anyway.  And the sad thing is that we both really like the game, which is why we financially supported it.  But I can't justify seeing things on my computer screen that we don't allow on our TV screen, and to me it seems like it would be very easy for the DEVs to adapt their naming rules to reach a wider audience.  I also can't recommend this game to all our friends who feel as we do, because they'd quit as soon as they see those names as well.

 

Having said all that, I know that I now have a target on my back from a select few.  It's unfortunate that one player's desire to "clean up" player names to appeal to a wider audience would evoke these responses from some, but I'm used to it by now.  But for the rest of you, which is MOST of you (you guys who have been so helpful and are awesome), I look forward to your constructive feedback.  Thanks for "listening", as always.



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This is the Internet, so one is bound to see a boatload of general idiocy, sexual references, racist and misogynistic phrases, and profanity built into in-game names and the such by players.  Pretty much every single online game out there will have this.  I highly doubt there would be negative feedback in the press and the few complaints on forums and social media simply because it's an accepted norm in online gaming.  Is it unclassy and sometimes offensive? Absolutely.  Is it unavoidable in the free Internet? Absolutely.

 

People will always be reaching for some sort of way around whatever filters are in place, it's a guarantee.  In my opinion, it's a battle that devs can't win without being incredibly annoyingly harsh on naming conventions because something "might represent something offensive" which is a dangerous slippery slope to follow.  If you see something that is extraordinarily blatant, you can report the name with a screenshot here: https://hawken.zendesk.com/hc/en-us.  Sexual innuendos or cleverly hidden phrases will, in my opinion, most likely not get acted upon.  There's not enough support behind such movement and also in my very honest opinion, devs have bigger fish to fry than cleaning up names that players choose.

 

Sorry.  It's how the Internet and the world is.


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It's unfortunate that one player's desire to "clean up" player names to appeal to a wider audience would evoke these responses from some, but I'm used to it by now.

 

This is the internet. Censoring names too much will appeal to a narrower audience, not a wider one. You sit on the upper echelon of moral high ground among those who play online multiplayer first person shooters.

 

Also, censoring names is done autonomously. It would be prohibitively expensive to filter names manually.

 

EDIT: remember Black Ops III's censorship of loadout and weapon profile names? They got a lot of heat for being too strict, not the other way around.


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In another thread, you indicated a similar disappointment in the online gaming community's lack of moral character and I responded, in part, to your concerns there.
My response to your concerns are thus:
Acquire and maintain a wider perspective.
Cultivate humility.
And
Manage realistic expectations.
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Whenever I read about someone asking for increased censorship, my immediate thought is this:

 

So whose standards of appropriateness are we going to agree on? The Bible Belt's? The Saudi's? Social Justice Warriors'? The Russian's?

 

Sometimes I think that game developers should implement an API for their users to identify which strings of characters they don't want to see. Just like how AdBlock and uBlock have customized lists of advertisers you don't want to see, you could have predefined lists of naughty words commonly shared across cultural groups.

 

And that way, I can keep my dialogue fresh and naked like the day we were born, and I won't be subjected to someone else's naughty threshold.


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You can't change the internet. You can't expect the devs to control and police player names by your standards.

The internet is in general full of negative, offensive and abusive behavior comments and names.

You can't protect your son from things like that forever. Instead of making them a big nono. talk about it with him.

you are just raising the chances that he might encounter them unsupervised and he might not understand their full meaning and but he might use them because it is something forbidden and other people seem cool using it.

IMO you and your son should face the bad things the internet throws at you and you should explain to him why racism and abuse etc is bad. By just shielding him from stuff like that you are raising a child in a world of make-believe. 

 

Also as Hyginos mentioned, by restricting the choice of names you won't appeal to a wider audience you'd repel more players.

 

What I really like about this game and this community is that we can shitpost and talk smack in this forum and that playernames like TheButtSatisfier for example are allowed.

 

I enjoy games like borderlands that are full of over the top violence, sexual inuendos, profanity, even cannibalism and a load of political incorrectness.

Yet I'm an upstanding citizen, I have never assaulted anyone, I value honesty, I like to help other people and I'd have serious issues shooting a real person, even in an emergency.


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All the statements about how folks should just learn to deal with the internet for what it is aside (and that is what it is)...

 

If it weren't so darned easy for anyone to create as many accounts, with any name they like, as they want, this wouldn't be as big of a problem.  It would certainly mean a much smaller pool of work for potential moderation by the owners/developers.

 

But, there should be an easy option to click on a player and report them for things like a name violation.  Internet or not, game rating or not, there are some things that obviously have no place, period.


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If it weren't so darned easy for anyone to create as many accounts

 

Where is this recent spat of "it's too easy to make a new account" coming from? Do you want a postal address verification or something?

 

 this wouldn't be as big of a problem. 

 

Okay, let's start listing all the things that can be cured by making account creation more difficult. So far I've heard:

  • Smurfing
  • Hacking
  • Account names that offend at least one person

Once complete I'll submit the list to Reloaded so at the very least they don't waste their time trying to build an anti-cheat system.


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First of all, I'm a "prude", OK?  Because of my beliefs, I've already said that I (ME, personally) don't want to see profanity, sexual content and graphic violence in our household's entertainment, especially since my son is also playing.  That's what attracted us to this game.  No profanity in game (we don't use audio chat), and its just mechs exploding (and yes, I know they have pilots inside).  There is also a profanity filter which works "OK".  I'm still surprised what is able to sneak thru the filter.  But I can mute other players, and have done so dozens of times already (sometimes just because they are insulting), so I never see what they say anymore.

 

But what I CAN'T seem to avoid are some of the vile, racist, sexist, sexual, and "denigrating" names that players choose.  I can't avoid seeing it before and after the battle, I can't avoid seeing it on the battlefield, and I can't avoid seeing it when I'm killed by them (which is often).  

 

Here are examples of what I'm talking about, without naming names:  1) Incorporating profanity, including the "F" word, into a player name.  2) References to various sexual acts, sometimes even violent or unwelcome acts.  3) Racist terms.  4) Terms that are sexist in the manner that they describe, or speak to, women.  5)  Terms that would be offensive to those in the LGBT crowd.  6) Names and phrases that would be deliberately/overtly offensive to members of various world religions.

 

You all have at least one player in mind now, having seen this list.  So here's the question:  How are names like this getting "approved"?  Do the names we choose even need to be approved?  Is there no censorship at all by the DEVs?  Am I supposed to "report" offensive names like I just described?

 

Serious questions here.  Why risk losing players, and possibly their money (my son and I have already made purchases), just because they won't more closely monitor the names that players choose?  Why risk the negative feedback in the press, on Facebook, and in forums?  If the game adopted a stricter naming convention, would some of you Veterans suddenly quit playing the game just because of that?

 

So last night I reached a decision, for our household at least.  My son and I will instantly leave any match where we see names like I just described.  Trust me, it won't hurt my team that badly, as I'm still terrible.  It might actually be helping you :)  It WILL hurt my son's teams, as he is a very good player.  My MMR is pathetic already, and I don't care about that anyway.  And the sad thing is that we both really like the game, which is why we financially supported it.  But I can't justify seeing things on my computer screen that we don't allow on our TV screen, and to me it seems like it would be very easy for the DEVs to adapt their naming rules to reach a wider audience.  I also can't recommend this game to all our friends who feel as we do, because they'd quit as soon as they see those names as well.

 

Having said all that, I know that I now have a target on my back from a select few.  It's unfortunate that one player's desire to "clean up" player names to appeal to a wider audience would evoke these responses from some, but I'm used to it by now.  But for the rest of you, which is MOST of you (you guys who have been so helpful and are awesome), I look forward to your constructive feedback.  Thanks for "listening", as always.

 

How long have you (not) been in FPS online gaming?  :ninja:

 

Profanity, non-PC chat/handles/etc, swearing and the like have been the norm for well over a decade.  Reloaded could be censorship-****s if they wanted, but this isn't a mobile phone / tablet game, it's a highly competitive FPS, and the crowd it appeals to typically does this.  If you want to completely avoid all this, go play Jerry's Game because about the only thing Reloaded could do at this point is to give you an option to: Switch off text/VOIP chat globally, switch off show player names, and to Ban your account from the forums to shield you from the gaming culture that you speak of.  Some people put an unsettling amount of time and effort into getting around measures to block this behavior, and they generally do find ways around them.  And all it takes is one or two to set others off.. 

 

 

Having said all that, I know that I now have a target on my back from a select few.  It's unfortunate that one player's desire to "clean up" player names to appeal to a wider audience would evoke these responses from some, but I'm used to it by now.  But for the rest of you, which is MOST of you (you guys who have been so helpful and are awesome), I look forward to your constructive feedback.  Thanks for "listening", as always.

 

 

I doubt that, it's only if you make yourself obnoxious by taking on the role of net-nanny and admonishing others for what is generally accepted behavior.  Want a policy change?  Take it up with Reloaded rather than proclaiming everything to the interwebs, that way you won't risk being labelled as the local "PC-activist" here.  But yes... posts like yours probably do attract the attention of those you're speaking of.  I just hope you're not blasting out "I'm leaving because you offended me with x" in the server chat when you leave.. 


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That's what attracted us to this game.  No profanity in game (we don't use audio chat), and its just mechs exploding (and yes, I know they have pilots inside)

 

 

Violence is ok as long as the gore is obscured by a fiery explosion? Do you fantasize about pilots burning alive inside an inescapable hull made of exotic materials? What a sick thought process!


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I have a smurf named fartfignewton. Is that offesnsive to you? I thought little kids laugh at things like farts.


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But I'm also asking about it from a business model perspective.  There are quite a few people like myself who enjoy PC games, and we regularly recommend to each other new games that we have found.  Even Hollywood is now realizing that G and PG movies can make a LOT of money, often more so than their rated R counterparts.  I guess I don't understand the harm in creating a naming convention that would not cause such offense as to make someone not want to play the game.  They already have some of the tamest violence/language of any FPS on the market.  Why not just go the rest of the way?  They could easily become the number one "family-oriented" FPS game without losing their Veterans.  Especially in a day and age where Steam is giving us HUNDREDS of other games to choose from, and this game is apparently struggling, you'd think that they'd do whatever they could to get more recommendations.

 

And how many new active player names, really, are we talking about monitoring right now?  Have you checked the population of the US servers recently?  Now that I know how to check how many games are actually going on, I'm frankly shocked how FEW people are actively playing this game.  So if the player base is actively shrinking, then I'd think that even one new customer, and a paying one at that, would be highly cherished.

 

It's pretty easy to do, really.  Every new player is assigned a generic name when they start (i.e. Pilot 247), while they wait for moderator approval for their selected name.  Sheesh, with all the hassle we put new players through just to get into this forum (5 moderator approved posts, limited to one per day), you'd think the game itself could spare someone for this simple task.

 

But I'm clearly in the minority here, so I'll shut up now.  Just wanted to make that additional point about their "marketing" strategy.  Thanks again.


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But I'm also asking about it from a business model perspective.  There are quite a few people like myself who enjoy PC games, and we regularly recommend to each other new games that we have found.  Even Hollywood is now realizing that G and PG movies can make a LOT of money, often more so than their rated R counterparts.  I guess I don't understand the harm in creating a naming convention that would not cause such offense as to make someone not want to play the game.  They already have some of the tamest violence/language of any FPS on the market.  Why not just go the rest of the way?  They could easily become the number one "family-oriented" FPS game without losing their Veterans.  Especially in a day and age where Steam is giving us HUNDREDS of other games to choose from, and this game is apparently struggling, you'd think that they'd do whatever they could to get more recommendations.

 

And how many new active player names, really, are we talking about monitoring right now?  Have you checked the population of the US servers recently?  Now that I know how to check how many games are actually going on, I'm frankly shocked how FEW people are actively playing this game.  So if the player base is actively shrinking, then I'd think that even one new customer, and a paying one at that, would be highly cherished.

 

It's pretty easy to do, really.  Every new player is assigned a generic name when they start (i.e. Pilot 247), while they wait for moderator approval for their selected name.  Sheesh, with all the hassle we put new players through just to get into this forum (5 moderator approved posts, limited to one per day), you'd think the game itself could spare someone for this simple task.

 

But I'm clearly in the minority here, so I'll shut up now.  Just wanted to make that additional point about their "marketing" strategy.  Thanks again.

 

Just because you're a minority doesn't mean you should shut up.  In my opinion at least, it's good to hear the opposing opinion to popular culture and social norms and have a civil discussion about it.  Personally, I completely understand where you're coming from, your perspective, and I can relate to it.  I do however offer a somewhat contrary position due to my experiences and beliefs, and you likewise do the same.  I see nothing wrong here.  

 

The devs do not have the personnel available to individually screen names.  It's ineffective, inefficient, and costly.  The forums are different because not everyone uses the forums, it's easier to manage because it's an incredibly small portion of the overall community. Probably like 1%. Even it weren't 1% of the overall population, 1% of a group is far easier to manage than 100% of a group.

 

And regardless of how a game is policed, something will slip through.  Even the most innocent of games, someone is eventually going to be inclined to do something rash, impulsive, and offensive.  Technically speaking, game ratings are based off of the game itself and NOT the players that populate it.  For example, one could have the "cleanest" game out there, no violence, no mention of offensive material in the game itself, it could an online 100000 piece jigsaw puzzle game, but the population is filled with pedophiles with gross names, but the game would still "be rated G" because of the content of the game, not the players.  A "family oriented" game is indeed an admirable endeavor but as I said before, games are not rated on players, games are rated on the game itself.   


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But I'm also asking about it from a business model perspective. There are quite a few people like myself who enjoy PC games, and we regularly recommend to each other new games that we have found. Even Hollywood is now realizing that G and PG movies can make a LOT of money, often more so than their rated R counterparts. I guess I don't understand the harm in creating a naming convention that would not cause such offense as to make someone not want to play the game. They already have some of the tamest violence/language of any FPS on the market. Why not just go the rest of the way? They could easily become the number one "family-oriented" FPS game without losing their Veterans. Especially in a day and age where Steam is giving us HUNDREDS of other games to choose from, and this game is apparently struggling, you'd think that they'd do whatever they could to get more recommendations.

And how many new active player names, really, are we talking about monitoring right now? Have you checked the population of the US servers recently? Now that I know how to check how many games are actually going on, I'm frankly shocked how FEW people are actively playing this game. So if the player base is actively shrinking, then I'd think that even one new customer, and a paying one at that, would be highly cherished.

It's pretty easy to do, really. Every new player is assigned a generic name when they start (i.e. Pilot 247), while they wait for moderator approval for their selected name. Sheesh, with all the hassle we put new players through just to get into this forum (5 moderator approved posts, limited to one per day), you'd think the game itself could spare someone for this simple task.

But I'm clearly in the minority here, so I'll shut up now. Just wanted to make that additional point about their "marketing" strategy. Thanks again.


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Kittens, you certainly make a good point. This game is rated "Teen" and not "Mature". The big difference being blood/gore and sexual content.

If Hawken is to maintain a "Teen" rating, shouldn't there be some thought given to monitoring/approving callsigns?

Personally, I would prefer my daughter not get killed by "GargantuanC0ck" when she plays Hawken. (Yes I realize there's a joke in there, and a pretty funny one at that, but let's not go there.)

But, then where do you draw the line as to what is and isn't offensive?
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I thought the Amish were restricted from connecting to the public grid. Kappa.

 

Anyways, jokes aside, all of this is covered in the EULA Kittens, 6. e. iii.
 

 

  • You may not select an Account ID, Forum ID, Callsign, or Team designation, or provide any communication or information on any Forum, that Meteor Entertainment, in its absolute and sole discretion, deems to be (1) vulgar, threatening, racist, sexist, or otherwise offensive or likely to be so considered, including by reason of any reference to a deity, political party or movement, or religion, (2) confusing, nonsensical, or context-inappropriate slang, or (3) affiliated with or to reflect a rank, title, or position (e.g., Lieutenant) that is not related to the Game.

So report away all you want, but don't be surprised and disappointed when you don't see see any action taken, it seems it takes quite a few pokes and prods to get Reloaded to take any action on things, its rather laissez faire.   Classic example the "hitler cat" avatar which still is displayed by a forum user.  The old Devs did a much better job at policing all violations.

 

 

I can't wait to read your thread once you experience the game with VOIP fixed.


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I can't wait to read your thread once you experience the game with VOIP fixed.

 

I was thinking about this too. Like-minded individuals may disable VOIP altogether at that point.


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Kittens, you certainly make a good point. This game is rated "Teen" and not "Mature". The big difference being blood/gore and sexual content.

If Hawken is to maintain a "Teen" rating, shouldn't there be some thought given to monitoring/approving callsigns?

Personally, I would prefer my daughter not get killed by "GargantuanC0ck" when she plays Hawken. (Yes I realize there's a joke in there, and a pretty funny one at that, but let's not go there.)

But, then where do you draw the line as to what is and isn't offensive?

 

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Classic example the "hitler cat" avatar which still is displayed by a forum user.  The old Devs did a much better job at policing all violations.

Do you just hate cats or only Estonia?


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Are we talking about the same teen rating that does such a fine job censoring death in movies to a level that it not longer appears to be a bad thing? Were only lowly henchmen are killed and usually when people die they just lay down on the ground motionless  and where the death of people has no effect on anyone, because the deceased people don't seem to have a person in the world that seems to be affected by their loss.

 

IMO the teen rating is the greatest hyprocrisy in todays media and a good example how much people have disconneted from realtiy.

That's no suprise it comes from the country that let's kids shoot guns but screams bloody murder when someone mentions the word sex.

Better teach the kids how to kill someone without thinking about the consequences then educating them about love and how to create a life.

 

I'd rather be killed by a bullet than die in a tank or a mech, hit by an anti-tank weapon, that once it burned itself through the hull incinerates everything on the inside making the last breath you take boil your lungs while you still try to scream but your vocal cords have already been burned away.

You should think about telling your kid what happens to a crew in a tank or mech when they get hit when you are complaining about some playernames.


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or (3) affiliated with or to reflect a rank, title, or position (e.g., Lieutenant) that is not related to the Game.

 

you could always report it to CapnJosh  :ninja:


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as a fellow cat hater ss396, I agree. that guy should be banned. or at least his avatar replaced by a cute  dog.

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It's pretty easy to do, really.  Every new player is assigned a generic name when they start (i.e. Pilot 247), while they wait for moderator approval for their selected name.  Sheesh, with all the hassle we put new players through just to get into this forum (5 moderator approved posts, limited to one per day), you'd think the game itself could spare someone for this simple task.

 

At a callsign checked per minute, the 400,000 accounts (anyone with more precises number feel free to correct) in Hawken today would take one person 278 days of non-stop work.

 

At California minimum wage (google says $10/hr), that would be about $67,000 worth of man hours which (even over the course of 4 years) is non-trivial to a company the size of RLD or ADH. 

 

simple task.

 

Not so much.

 

 

 

That's no suprise it comes from the country that let's kids shoot guns but screams bloody murder when someone mentions the word sex.

 

This is something that has always bugged me. War has a much higher fatality rate than sex, but we let our kids see murder on TV before we let even them acknowledge the existence of sex


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Can the forums just go back?

 

Back to when nobody was whining about trivial garbage?

Back to when people wouldn’t make baseless claims?

Back to when nobody spammed them constantly?

Back to when people didn’t post for attention?

 

Back to when they were actually used for Hawken?


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nvm


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I think mechahitler, baby hitler and adolf hitler were changed/deleted.


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Come on Crafty, you have been officially called out on your lies. Your online reputation is at stake here, this is just like an old school street race running for pink slips. Its run what you brung and hope its enough. Put up or shut the fuzzy bunny up.


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Is the call-sign considered player generated content in this case then?  

 

Chat is understandable, but there is a profanity filter which can be enabled.

 

You can literally make up a call-sign as profane as you can imagine and it will pass if nobody else has claimed it.  Names that clearly violate the guidelines that you agree to when you sign up.  The fact that there is no checking done at the time of account creation to ensure that a name doesn't violate naming guidelines is silly.  


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Back to when they were actually used for Hawken?

 

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You sit on the upper echelon of moral high ground among those who play online multiplayer first person shooters.

Or is she sitting in a completely different echelon of misguided 'morals'?
 

Are we talking about the same teen rating that does such a fine job censoring death in movies to a level that it not longer appears to be a bad thing? Were only lowly henchmen are killed and usually when people die they just lay down on the ground motionless  and where the death of people has no effect on anyone, because the deceased people don't seem to have a person in the world that seems to be affected by their loss.

 

IMO the teen rating is the greatest hyprocrisy in todays media and a good example how much people have disconneted from realtiy.

That's no suprise it comes from the country that let's kids shoot guns but screams bloody murder when someone mentions the word sex.

Better teach the kids how to kill someone without thinking about the consequences then educating them about love and how to create a life.

 

I'd rather be killed by a bullet than die in a tank or a mech, hit by an anti-tank weapon, that once it burned itself through the hull incinerates everything on the inside making the last breath you take boil your lungs while you still try to scream but your vocal cords have already been burned away.

You should think about telling your kid what happens to a crew in a tank or mech when they get hit when you are complaining about some playernames.

Violence is ok as long as the gore is obscured by a fiery explosion? Do you fantasize about pilots burning alive inside an inescapable hull made of exotic materials? What a sick thought process!

Ignorance is bliss: "All i see is metal ¯\_(?)_/¯"

 

people like myself who enjoy PC games

I love that i don't know if this means personal computer or politically correct, lol

 

But I'm also asking about it from a business model perspective.  There are quite a few people like myself who enjoy PC games, and we regularly recommend to each other new games that we have found.  Even Hollywood is now realizing that G and PG movies can make a LOT of money, often more so than their rated R counterparts.  I guess I don't understand the harm in creating a naming convention that would not cause such offense as to make someone not want to play the game.  They already have some of the tamest violence/language of any FPS on the market.  Why not just go the rest of the way?  They could easily become the number one "family-oriented" FPS game without losing their Veterans.  Especially in a day and age where Steam is giving us HUNDREDS of other games to choose from, and this game is apparently struggling, you'd think that they'd do whatever they could to get more recommendations.

 

And how many new active player names, really, are we talking about monitoring right now?  Have you checked the population of the US servers recently?  Now that I know how to check how many games are actually going on, I'm frankly shocked how FEW people are actively playing this game.  So if the player base is actively shrinking, then I'd think that even one new customer, and a paying one at that, would be highly cherished.

 

It's pretty easy to do, really.  Every new player is assigned a generic name when they start (i.e. Pilot 247), while they wait for moderator approval for their selected name.  Sheesh, with all the hassle we put new players through just to get into this forum (5 moderator approved posts, limited to one per day), you'd think the game itself could spare someone for this simple task.

 

But I'm clearly in the minority here, so I'll shut up now.  Just wanted to make that additional point about their "marketing" strategy.  Thanks again.

 

First, i want to note that i'm a playful person who is perpetually in a quantum state of taking everything seriously and taking nothing seriously; so i'm sorry if i joke about this too much and it seems rude, but the simple truth is that you are an extremist in your beliefs here. Hawken - an online first person shooter - has no voice chat, default chat censorship, and from what i understand, some semblance of autonomous user-name prohibition. To consider this game could be made more kid-friendly is...a stretch.

Second, i want to commend you on your lack of, as ATX22 put it, 'net-nannying' despite your very clear [self-proclaimed] 'prude-ishness' on the matter at hand. It's really, really refreshing to hear a strong opposing opinion come off so professionally and without massive emotional appeal.

 

No, no. You should not shut up just because you're in the minority (in fact, i would gladly fight by your side for you to say things i disagree with here, which incidentally is the exact reason my opinions oppose yours; i believe in utmost freedom of speech)- it just may be the case that you have to accept something you disagree with, dropping it. Most reasons why have already been explained; summed up:

 

- Wide appeal: It's hard to believe Hawken in its current state isn't already the most [inadvertently] ideal compromise between freedom of speech and censorship in all of online first person shooters. I've been told attempting to use certain [inappropriate] names in game will result in your name being defaulted with the option to try a new name. Aside from that speculation, Hawken has no voice chat (inadvertent censorship of the worst of the worst), default censorship of certain inappropriate words including misspelled words (citation needed), and a simple 'mute' function. Honestly, if they tried any harder to censor, i think we'd risk losing the fence-sitting people of extremist opinion who are on the opposite spectrum, the same way we're currently risking losing people of your extremist opinion.

- Logistics: I could write a program to invalidate words or phrases in chat or as user-names that uses a dictionary of inappropriate words, coupled with one of inappropriate phrases, all of which accounting for every possible composition using meaningless characters (spaces or underscores) or numbers / combinations of characters which may be interpreted as letters ('^' as the letter 'A', '3' as the letter 'E', etc.); but look where we ended up for potatoes sake! Where do we draw the line of 'inappropriate words'? 'inappropriate phrases'? And we've introduced a plethora of edge cases where a combination of harmless numbers and characters is recognized as inappropriate by the system when it wouldn't normally be in the human eye- and we spent money and human hours on the project. What about just user-names, using human time parsing every single one for human-readable inappropriate names? Same problems with the question of 'What is inappropriate?', no problems with false-positives, new problems with time management (is it really worth it?).

 

So, can anything really be done to appease you? Well, yes, i actually do believe there are some options- options which could actually make the game better for both ends of the opinion-spectrum. But it's just a matter of what they're willing to do. My solution? Add a function that hides user-names by changing them to 'FuzzyBunny1', 'FuzzyBunny2', etc. as easy as the 'mute' function (allowing people like me to enjoy horrendously offensive names still).

...Until 'fuzzy bunny' becomes a colloquialism for 'f@ggt' or 'fvckr'. :rolleyes:

 

That last line up there is why, by the way, all of censorship is utterly hopeless/futile, but that's getting too opinionated, heh.

Honestly, words are empty sounds against your eardrums. I think your son would be hurt a lot more by nice words in the wrong order from a meaningful source than the 'worst' words that exist in a meaningless context.

Which is worse?:

You: "I don't love my son because he never succeeds."

Random internet child: "f*** you you f****** piece of s*** f***** c***"


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That's no suprise it comes from the country that let's kids shoot guns but screams bloody murder when someone mentions the word sex.

 

What country's that?


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At a callsign checked per minute, the 400,000 accounts (anyone with more precises number feel free to correct) in Hawken today would take one person 278 days of non-stop work.

 

 

Why not filter the callsigns upon account creation?  A simple profanity filter would prevent me from making an account such as this:

 

Click to see, I don't want any more cool points.


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Also, this isn't censorship.  This is about efficiently enforcing naming guidelines which players agree to when creating an account.  



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Do you just hate cats or only Estonia?

 

Why try to divert the attention away from the central theme of the image you picked now that you have been called out on it?

 

It has nothing to do with animals or the flag in the background of your avatar, thats all just an excuse you can fallback on like a safety net.  I just think the fact that you chose to use an avatar with a specific likeness to Adolf Hitler says enough about the situation.  We all know why you did it after you were warned and suspended 2 weeks ago.  You still feel disgruntled?  Why mask your attempt at insurrection behind a silly photoshopped image and try to say its about cats or the flag?  

 

Just so you and everyone else is clear, I'm NOT offended by your avatar for a list of reasons too long to list, I just think it was a childish chickenshit attempt on your part and I'm sad that Reloaded isn't smart enough to see it and putting a fuzzy bunnyng stop to it.

 

 

you could always report it to CapnJosh  :ninja:

 

I'm afraid it wouldn't do any good there either, as the entirely of Reloaded games apparently has no issues with images referencing Hitler according to their official "rules".  Good to know, now I can request that confederate flag skin I've always wanted to see in Hawken and when someone barks up and says its racist, I can say its a tribute to the Dukes of Hazzard.

 

 

I think mechahitler, baby hitler and adolf hitler were changed/deleted.

 

Probably the old Devs that actually removed things like an account named "obviouslyJesus".  His rant on youtube about the forced name change was epic.


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Sorry to disappoint you SS, but if you're referring to the same thread that I think of, then I guess the only person getting warned and suspended was you. Certainly not me and hence my avatar is totally unrelated to that, so, please, stop projecting your feelings onto me. Thanks.

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Sorry to disappoint you SS, but if you're referring to the same thread that I think of, then I guess the only person getting warned and suspended was you. Certainly not me and hence my avatar is totally unrelated to that, so, please, stop projecting your feelings onto me. Thanks.

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Lots of offensive names get removed either because the user has been reported or because their name was auto-filtered and changed at account creation. Whenever you see a name like "Recruit 14" or "Mechfighter5e4t2r", it's likely that that person had their name forcibly changed by the developers because they were reported, or changed by automatic processes within the game client.

 

If you see offensive names, feel free to screenshot them and report to hawken support, but keep in mind that Reloaded is operating with a skeleton crew right now and these things takes time.

 

As for my personal views on this subject, I understand that this game is rated Teen, so it's supposed to be somewhat family-friendly, but in my experience it is the "teens" (i.e., individuals under 18) that are generally the most foul-mouthed of them all. Most teenage kids (or rather, teenage boys) want to be a badass; they have a lot of a lot of hormones and energy and want to be competitive. Usually they grow out of it or they simply stop being offended by it. It's part of growing up.

 

But on another note, when I was 6, I watched Aliens for the first time and it scared the hell out of me. But I loved that movie, and I loved the experience of having seen it. It pushed my boundaries. This is important for kids when they are growing up. They need to be challenged, and they need to be exposed to things outside their comfort zones if they are to grow as individuals. Maybe not every day, but once in a while.

 

I understand how frightening it must be to be a parent this day and age, and I don't know how old your son is, but puberty is about the right time to let them start spreading their wings a little. When I was 12, I played Doom online with people much older than me, who used profanity constantly, and - surprise! It didn't make me a bad person. It didn't even disturb or harm me in any way. My parents sure disapproved, but honestly, I was just having fun.

 

In short, I really don't think that sheltering your children from every perceived harm is going to actually do them any good. Otherwise, when they finally get into a situation where they have to face the real world and they don't have their parent to protect them, how will they cope?


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