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im in a weird situation where, when my graphics are maxxed out to the mnaximum, i get better gameplay.  then when i switch everything to the lowest, the gameplay is impossible to play.

 

can someone explain this paradox?

 

do servers cause alot of the lag too?  or is my 900 dollar rig just too dinosaur for this awesome game

 

edit; no more 5/7 jokes....

 

i dont understand how i can run crysis 2 on max graphics with 60 fps.. but on hawken in the lowest settings, i can't even hit a brawler standing still without stuttering


Edited by angryhampster, 22 December 2015 - 12:25 PM.

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So when you set the graphics to maximum, the game runs smoothly, but if you set it to low, you have fps lag?

If it's an fps issue, the server has nothing to do with it.



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System specs?
System temps?
Hard drive or ssd?
Defrag, updates, virus scan scheduled when you play?

Edited by HK-47D, 22 December 2015 - 01:17 PM.

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Yes, tell us what your GPU is and, for example thingies as  if you allow downloads on Steam while playing and alike.. GPU driver settings could be causing some sort of conflict as well.. tell us more


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I've been hearing a lot of people have been having fps issues with the R9 2XX AMD series of GPUs.

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I have zero issues, Sapphire R9 280 toxic here.


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ASUS R9 290X OC...no issues here.

 

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Hmm OK. I was looking at this thread:

https://community.pl...-and-gpu-issue/

No idea if there's been anything else on this problem.

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Similiar probs. Heavy laggish performance on all servers, on some more on some less, but on none really good, although my Ping is almost always pretty stable between 50 and 60. But that doesn't reflect the awful stuttering scenes i face ingame. No decent play possible, and that's since a week or so. GPU is still a Gigabyte AMD R9 280 OX, graphic settings optimized on low level for max performance. FPS drop from approximately 130 to under 30, with an average of about 60 ingame. Jumps up and down wildly all the time. Actually playing HAWKEN is a pain and makes no sense. On the old Frankfurt servers i had pretty good performance with the same system, setup, settings, everything, but meanwhile it doesn't matter on what server i log in - it's all the same crappy conditions to me. No idea why...



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Similiar probs. Heavy laggish performance on all servers, on some more on some less, but on none really good, although my Ping is almost always pretty stable between 50 and 60. But that doesn't reflect the awful stuttering scenes i face ingame. No decent play possible, and that's since a week or so. GPU is still a Gigabyte AMD R9 280 OX, graphic settings optimized on low level for max performance. FPS drop from approximately 130 to under 30, with an average of about 60 ingame. Jumps up and down wildly all the time. Actually playing HAWKEN is a pain and makes no sense. On the old Frankfurt servers i had pretty good performance with the same system, setup, settings, everything, but meanwhile it doesn't matter on what server i log in - it's all the same crappy conditions to me. No idea why...


Have you tried using the new catalyst drivers? People have reported noticeable performance boosts with this.

Otherwise, see if anyone else has a similar problem and if using a different driver helps.
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Thx-a-lot Rainbow Sheep.

 

Found a thread by PoopSlinger regarding AMD specific fps probs, before i checked this thread again. He wrote, he downgraded to an older version and that was the solution. However - i decided to first try your way today  and found a newer Catalyst than mine. It boosted my fps to a higher average (40 - 50) than my last one indeed, but on some servers it still drops down to below 30, it seems especially when in cqc with many players. Far better than before, but still lightyears away from what my GPU is capable of. I guess, tomorrow i'll try exactly that old Catalyst Omega (14.12), PoopSlinger mentioned. It's a whole year old now, but if i remember right, my HAWKEN was pretty fast at the time i used that Catalyst version, so there's chance i can fix it. I'll report back tomorrow evening and tell the result. Maybe others have the same issue.

 

Regards, gArphEus.


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Do you have PhysX enabled?



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No, i didn't. I remember that was one of the first options i disabled long time ago.

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I keep seeing 14.12 coming up with driver problem threads, seems like a very stable one

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I have a Radeon (AMD) and have always had all my graphic settings for Hawken set to max.  I've never had a frame-rate, tearing or any other graphics problem.

 

But, I also never update my graphics drivers if I'm not having a very specific problem that the next update promises to fix.  "If it isn't broken, don't fix it."  So, I've had no problems with my graphics on any game for 3 years... so I haven't updated the drivers in that whole time.


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Ok. Back again.

 

I downgraded 2 Catalyst 14.12 (Omega) successfully, and made sure, that the "Gaming evolved"-app didn't install, too - it's notorious 4 causing fps drops, too. However, the downgrade had some effect - the average FPS r now at about 50 - 70 under normal conditions. Played the whole day 2 test it, and the result was, on every map and every (pvp) server my fps dropped down below 30 whenever 3 or moa A-classes airdodged around me like electrified bats on ecstacy - it's still a hell of a stuttering slideshow, and i have the suspicion it increases with playtime. Sadly that downgrading doesn't work out 4 me. Incicdentally - some other players also confirmed the effect of heavy fps dropping when facing many A-classes moving with lightspeed.

 

The quaint thing is - there is absolute NO fps dropping or similiar laggy conditions on any COOP-BOT-TDMs i was in. I seem to have a stable 60 - 70 fps on these servers - permanently - and get easily 18 + kills. But on the pvp servers it's always 20 - 50 fps. That feels like being connected 2 the server on the dark side of the moon, where every halfway decent noob is able 2 wipe me away almost easily under these worse conditions. Predicting enemy movements is a gamble and there's no way 2 even hit objects with the size of a barnyard door decently - not 2 speak of winning a match by skill, not luck, Sometimes I am playing a second in the past - in many cases i really just don't even SEE who killed me b4 the killscreen opens. Mostly A-classes, scoffing me playing like a noob or such. Guess i'll betta leave it be. 1300 + hours of training in one and a half year 4 nothing, because the hardware lets me down. That's frustrating 2 the bone. I really don't know how 2 fix the problem, and if no1 else has an idea left, this is the end of the road. I am almost up 2 throw it. 

 

btw - balance was a 50/50 chance 2day, and a brand new issue occurred many times to me - i spawned several times DIRECTLY midst the enemy team! Died almost instantly and totally perplexed everytime, of course. However - this happened approximately every 4 to 5 matches, and always when i entered late, like 10 secs after start or so. There were also 2 server crashes 2day... Anyway... just wanted to tell it.

 

Bye, and many thx 4 your effords, dudes.

 

Regards, gArphEus.


Edited by gArphEus, 30 December 2015 - 02:51 PM.

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http://www.tomshardw...drop-issue.html

Ty monitoring your GPU and CPU heat to see if it's throttling during gameplay.

Since it's a problem that gets worse over time, heat build up seems like a likely cause.

If not, go through the other steps listed in the thread I linked like stress testing CPU, testing your RAM modules and monitoring your PSU to see if that is causing any problems.

What is your PSU wattage and make by the way?

Thinking about it a full list of specs would be very useful.

Edited by Rainbow Sheep, 30 December 2015 - 04:23 PM.

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gArphEus, you know the difference between FPS and ping lag, right?



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@ Trigary - yes, i do

@ Rainbow Sheep - RAM was tested recently using memtest64+ ovanight, with the result that no errors appeared

I will start a CPU test in the next days, as suggested. BTW, I noticed a weird "low" fan noise from my PC after the last match yesterday, as i took down the headphones. Some fans might be dusty, so i'll clean 'em. I'll report back asap. Thx 4 your help Rainbow Sheep. I really appreciate that. I wish you a happy new year - same 2 any1 else here, too.
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I have Radeon 5770, when I install new drivers, I also have 20-30 fps and high visual lags, even with my config.
It happen every time when I try install new Radeon drivers.
Now, since 12.12.12 I use very old standart videocard drivers, to play in hawken without problems. Next card which I buy will be nVidia, lol.

Kompotka 3000. 2D ha?ken game: https://community.pl...ve/?hl=kompotka

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Challenger, C-Class mech concept: https://community.pl...ccepted-thread/

G2-Brawler, C-class mech concept: https://community.pl...pacaka-is-here/

Kinetik, B-class mech concept: https://community.pl...ass-shotgunner/

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OK, good luck grapheus. I think it might end up being heat related, what kinda case/airflow do you have?

And like I said a full list of your computer specs would be awesome. :)
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I have Radeon 5770, when I install new drivers, I also have 20-30 fps and high visual lags, even with my config.
It happen every time when I try install new Radeon drivers.
Now, since 12.12.12 I use very old standart videocard drivers, to play in hawken without problems. Next card which I buy will be nVidia, lol.

 

Or buy newer and more affordable Radeon card.


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Or buy newer and more affordable Nvidia card.

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I really have no issues with my butt cheap r9 280 toxic.

Best value for the moneys. Price is not value, most of the times.

 

My point was, why waste money on a brand name

if there is more affordable solution.


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I really have no issues with my butt cheap r9 280 toxic.

Best value for the moneys. Price is not value, most of the times.

 

My point was, why waste money on a brand name

if there is more affordable solution.

 

Absolutely true, Chicken - especially when u run an Eyefinity 3-monitor system like me, it's damn cheap compared 2 any other multi-monitoring solutions. And i can tell u, it works great and is absolutely fantastic 2 play on it - at least every other game than HAWKEN, because it is the 1 and only game i have issues with, and even this just 4 a short while. Before that it ran HAWKEN pretty well.

 

Now be4 any1 begins 2 shout:

 

"THAT'S WHAT CAUSES YOUR PROBLEM, STUPIDO - THE GPU HAS 2 PROCESS 3 TIMES THE SOLUTION THAN NORMAL!!!" - Stop!

 

I have a couple of different presets, i can switch with a single shortcut, disabling or enabling every single monitor at my will, including a setup, where my TV doubles the mainscreen of my extendet desktop, thus allowing me 2 play games, videoclips, movies, etc. also in the livingroom, if i want to. But b4 i start HAWKEN i ALWAYS switch 2 single monitor use, that's a resolution of 1440 x 900 only (native monitor res), and is, in fact, handled by the driver as it really is. There is no overstraining the card by guarantee. BTW, my monitors are all identical ones - Hanns.G HW191D, and the 2nd and 3rd r connected via active mini displayport to DVI adapters by Sapphire. The whole system runs smooth like a swiss clock with any game, but HAWKEN. I just don't understand y...

 

 

OK, good luck grapheus. I think it might end up being heat related, what kinda case/airflow do you have?

And like I said a full list of your computer specs would be awesome. :)

 

Ok dude. Pants down. Here's my spex:

 

  • CPU: AMD Athlon II x4 640 "Propus" (4 x 3000 MHz Quadcore), Stepping: BL-C3 "Bloodhound", Socket AM3, Cache: 4 x (64 + 64 + 512)
  • CPU Cooler: Scythe MUGEN II
  • Mainboard: ASRock M3N78D, Chipset: NVidia MCP78, PCI Expres x16 v2.0
  • RAM: 4 GB Kingston DDR3 SDRAM UDIMM (PC3-10600), 2 x 2 GB Dual-Channel Kit, clock 666.6 (3.33 x 200 MHz), timing 9 -9 - 9 - 24 trc 33
  • GPU: GIGABYTE GV-R928XOC-3GD, Rev. 2.0, AMD Radeon R9 280OX, 3GB GDDR5 SDRAM, 348-bit Bus
  • OS: Windows XP (32 bit) / Windows 7 (64 bit) dual boot system (both r installed on different partitions, and run fine without any issues) the latter is up to date
  • PSU: Cooler Master G650M, 650 Watt, was recommended 2 me by a friend for its high efficiency, much power on the main bus 4 every conceivable GPU available that moment, and also 4 its numerous different high quality protective circuits against almost any possible hazard.
  • Monitors: 3 x HANNS.G HW191D, horizontal frequency: 30 - 83 kHz, vertical frequency: 49 - 75 Hz, max. pixelclock: 140 MHz
  • Hard drive: SAMSUNG HD502HJ (500 GB, 16 MB), SAMSUNG HD204UI (2000 GB, 32MB), Western Digital WD20EZRX-00D8PB0 (2000 GB), all SATA drives
  • Case - it's from Cooler Master, too, but i 4got the exact notation. I built in 2 pretty effient but very silent high quality Scythe fans, and all possibly interfering cables r bound 2gether and out of way 2 ensure a good airstream.

So far my most important internals. I bought the whole bunch separate and assembled it myself. I always built up my own PCs, and also a few others 4 friends since 1998, and have quite a bit experience in doing that. Might not be the finest stuff available, but performance-wise it didn't let me down by now, and runs always fine with a huge collection of games - but HAWKEN... ;( However - all my knowledge and experience is not enough - this time i am at my wit's end. So if you detect some bad kind of bottleneck in my hardware definitely causing the actual trouble, i'd be glad 2 know about it. Thanx 4 all your help.

 

Regards, gArphEus.

 

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Edited by gArphEus, 31 December 2015 - 07:11 AM.


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The 4GB of ram is a likely problem. The standard minimum for gaming today is 8GB, with 16GB being preferred. When I've got a couple of non-intensive programs running my usage is about 3.0 GB, so 4GB is pretty risky territory when gaming.

Opening the HAWKEN menu takes me to 4.2GB usage

A game of Bots TDM took me to an average of 4.4-4.5 GB usage.

 

The amount of RAM may explain why you may have trouble in CQC with mechs flying across your screen.

666 Mhz is also quite slow for DDR3, so I would recommend getting an upgrade in both capacity and speed.

 

Your PSU is pretty solid so I don't think it will be a problem.

 

Try using CPU-Z and GPU-Z to test temperatures, if they're not throttling performance it is likely the RAM holding you back.


Edited by Rainbow Sheep, 31 December 2015 - 08:34 AM.

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hm... i play 1-2 january some matches and... and i see the same problem.

what is problem. when you see more than 2-3 enemies near with you, which start dodging, hawken start lagging like a hell, and it is impossible to hit someone. Everyone (and you are too) start moving with "teleporting". you crosshair start "twitching". mech instatly change their positions. i don't know how explain it correct.

but, it is not FPS problem. i play with config, and have 70-80, my ping is 40. i think, problem in servers.
i play on frankfurt, and this problem start happens with me too.
mostly playable maps only origin/uptown.
wreckage, lostEco, FL, and other big maps unplayable. 7 vs 7 servers lagging even more, it is totally unplayable and lagging much more if you see several enemies/teammates in fight which start dodging.

as i say, my FPS and ping not changed. i'm 90% sure problem in servers or something similar. When i play several weeks ago, i don't have this problem, and all be good. now it is almost impossible to fight sometimes, even if you with low-tier players you can't hit him (q_q)


Edited by nepacaka, 01 January 2016 - 06:18 AM.

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Kompotka 3000. 2D ha?ken game: https://community.pl...ve/?hl=kompotka

Interceptor, B-Class mech concept: https://community.pl...itdefence-mech/

Challenger, C-Class mech concept: https://community.pl...ccepted-thread/

G2-Brawler, C-class mech concept: https://community.pl...pacaka-is-here/

Kinetik, B-class mech concept: https://community.pl...ass-shotgunner/

Melter, A-class mech concept: https://community.pl...-class-support/


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The 4GB of ram is a likely problem. The standard minimum for gaming today is 8GB, with 16GB being preferred. When I've got a couple of non-intensive programs running my usage is about 3.0 GB, so 4GB is pretty risky territory when gaming.

Opening the HAWKEN menu takes me to 4.2GB usage

A game of Bots TDM took me to an average of 4.4-4.5 GB usage.

 

The amount of RAM may explain why you may have trouble in CQC with mechs flying across your screen.

666 Mhz is also quite slow for DDR3, so I would recommend getting an upgrade in both capacity and speed.

 

Your PSU is pretty solid so I don't think it will be a problem.

 

Try using CPU-Z and GPU-Z to test temperatures, if they're not throttling performance it is likely the RAM holding you back.

 

Hmm, according 2 nepacaka's last post it seems that i am not the only one facing huge performance breakdowns. Maybe it's an actual server problem, too? However, if it's just my RAM, ok - that's a deficency relatively easy to remedy. I'll follow your advice and exchange my current RAM against an 8 GB Kit of DDR3-PC 14900 1866 MHz RAM from Kingston, Fury series 4 the moment. That's the fastest RAM my mainboard supports. Later i'll upgrade it with another same Kit up 2 16 GB. RAM and slot capacity of my mainboard will then be maxed out likewise, but i guess overall it'll be a great improvement lasting out 4 the next years, anyway. Having more and faster RAM is always a good idea, anyway. Many thx 4 your kind help, Rainbow Sheep. If u ever need a Battle-Tech 2 watch ur 6, call me anytime, and i'll jump in with pleasure! ;)

 

Regards, gArphEus

 

 

hm... i play 1-2 january some matches and... and i see the same problem.

what is problem. when you see more than 2-3 enemies near with you, which start dodging, hawken start lagging like a hell, and it is impossible to hit someone. Everyone (and you are too) start moving with "teleporting". you crosshair start "twitching". mech instatly change their positions. i don't know how explain it correct.

but, it is not FPS problem. i play with config, and have 70-80, my ping is 40. i think, problem in servers.
i play on frankfurt, and this problem start happens with me too.
mostly playable maps only origin/uptown.
wreckage, lostEco, FL, and other big maps unplayable. 7 vs 7 servers lagging even more, it is totally unplayable and lagging much more if you see several enemies/teammates in fight which start dodging.

as i say, my FPS and ping not changed. i'm 90% sure problem in servers or something similar. When i play several weeks ago, i don't have this problem, and all be good. now it is almost impossible to fight sometimes, even if you with low-tier players you can't hit him (q_q)

 

Yo, nepa! Very sad 2 meet u onboard the same sinking ship called "HAWKEN", dude. I really didn't wish someone suffering the same catastrophic "laggy weather" that troubled me the last weeks, but 2 b honest - i feel relieved 2 find out that it's 4 sure not only a hardware-specific problem on my side, but a server-related issue, too. In fact, in 1 of the last matches i played on the sylvester evening, i wasn't able 2 WALK slowly without crashing in2 every corner due 2 the extreme rubberbending pushing me 4wards and backwards randomly. It all was so stuttering, that a kind of "seasickness" came ova me that much, it forced me out of the server mid-match! Hitreg was partially non-existent, yes, items were dropped several seconds after triggered, weapons fired after 2 seconds of delay and the radar just showed the position all enemies had seconds b4! The biggest problems occured when the whole enemy deathball jumped around the corner - the gameplay almost instantly freezed and teleported, freezed and teleported, and so on. As you stated yourself - lag 2 a degree that it rendered the game totally unplayable. Strange thing was, only a few players complained about the horrible condition. It seemed 2 me as if not ALL players were affected by the lag that much as me - just as if they were somehow "immune" against it... Weird story, really. I hope the Josh will be notified about the current problems and fix it soon - otherwise HAWKEN's good 4 nothing 2 me, actually - except the COOP-BOT TDM mode, that seems practically clean from the lag.

 

However - i wish u better luck 4 u the rest of this year, nepacaka. May the force b with us... ;)

 

Regards, gArphEus


Edited by gArphEus, 01 January 2016 - 02:41 PM.

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Let us know how it works out grapheus, I hope when Hawken gets upgraded to DX11 that it won't be as weirdly optimised as it is right now
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