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So with Hawken coming to consoles, the PC version being left behind for the time being, and the game gearing up to receive quite the sizable update I'm seeing mention of a Windows 10 version and I'm wondering if this means there will also be a Windows 10 version of Hawken available in the Windows 10 Store ON TOP of the version already available for Steam which is compatible with other versions of Windows?

 

Or is this the end of the Steam version and if you want to keep playing you'll have to upgrade to Windows 10 on PC?

 

I really hope that isn't the case because if so then I'm done with Hawken. I have zero interest in upgrading my system to Windows 10 and Hawken unfortunately isn't gonna be the game to get me to change my mind. I get it, I saw the writing on the wall months ago that we're no longer any concern to Reloaded, 505 Games, or anyone involved with Hawken anymore so there isn't much reason to bother supporting the version of Hawken we kept alive all this time but it still bugs me that this might be the case.

 

After months and months of silence, seeing the consoles get the love the PC community has been pining for since the game released back in 2012, and now hearing about Hawken possibly moving over to Windows 10 is a lot of disheartening news within a few days and it would be nice of Reloaded to clarify anything for us right now instead of continuing to talk up the console version none of us wanted. I understand there are NDA's in place but we're approaching a ridiculous point with this community. Either tell us we're gonna be included and not to give up hope or that it's high time we moved on and found something better to do with our time than clinging to a dead vision of a game that will never be what it could have been.

 

I'm sure I'm not alone in feeling this and if this issue has already been addressed I do apologize. Been moving half way across the country and don't have my rig setup yet so I've been following E3 and all this new on my phone while moving. Spent some time browsing around on the forums and don't really see this being talked about so hopefully not dredging up a dead topic.

 

tl;dr Will there only be a Windows 10 version of Hawken or will Hawken continue to support Windows 7 and other versions of Windows the Steam version currently support?


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If this really does happen, you could always create a separate partition and install Windows 10 on it (kind of like bootcamp but with 2 versions of windows). You just have to reboot your system whenever you want to play Hawken, and there's also the option of a virtual desktop. There's many ways around it with minimal inconvenience. But I doubt they would abandon the Steam community unless Microsoft paid them a ton of money.


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Shrug.  Run Linux and VM-instantiate a Win10 or QEMU.  Hell, run WINE.


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there is literally nothing wrong with win 10, it actually runs much better for me. change is not always a bad thing


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there is literally nothing wrong with win 10, it actually runs much better for me. change is not always a bad thing


I envy you. My experience upgrading to Windows 10 was terrible.

Freezes, Blue Screens (In an infinite loop at one point that I had to do a system restore to get out of!), sound cutting completely out at random, ghost processes eating up my CPU, start menu and task bar becoming completely unresponsive, and the list goes on...

I'm also hoping that Steam Hawken remains available and up to date.

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I envy you. My experience upgrading to Windows 10 was terrible.

Freezes, Blue Screens (In an infinite loop at one point that I had to do a system restore to get out of!), sound cutting completely out at random, ghost processes eating up my CPU, start menu and task bar becoming completely unresponsive, and the list goes on...

I'm also hoping that Steam Hawken remains available and up to date.

i pray to the great gods of technology that they may be ever with you in your struggles. but i haven't had any problems and the transition was relatively painless other than having to relearn where some things were at. 


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there is literally nothing wrong with win 10


You should look at how Windows 10 actually runs games and you might want to reconsider that statement. There's a lot to consider when it comes to gaming and I don't want to upgrade my entire OS to play a single free to play game where to developer doesn't really care about me and my experience anymore.
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Just out of curiosity, has anyone here successfully ran Steam/Hawken in its current state on wine?...or in its current state without Steam on wine?
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You should look at how Windows 10 actually runs games and you might want to reconsider that statement. There's a lot to consider when it comes to gaming and I don't want to upgrade my entire OS to play a single free to play game where to developer doesn't really care about me and my experience anymore.

i literally havnt noticed any difference. and if you could point me to some reading material on this subject that would be nice


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I've done dozens of upgrades to Win 10 without problem. When there is a problem though it's usually pretty shite. Haven't got around to upgrading my own system yet so I can't comment on game performance.


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i literally havnt noticed any difference. and if you could point me to some reading material on this subject that would be nice

I haven't seen any differences either. In fact, the reason I upgraded to Win 10 in the first place was because I started to get blue screened when I played Hawken. Ever since the upgrade I haven't had any problems.

 

Sorry to hear it isn't working for others the same.



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Meh, I've been avoiding Windows10 because of all the tracking and forced update "features".



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I have 2 systems. One on 64 bit Windows 7 (which is NOT going to 10) and one on 64 bit Windows10 that also dual boots Linux Mint 17.3. As much as I hate what the "new" Microsoft has become, the recent patch for 10 they said would speed up gaming did just that. On my particular machine about 25 - 30% better FPS. Kind of surprised with as much as they lie out their ass. Oh and for most people it does work fine but a insane nightmare for others. I've worked on some that were whacked. The thing I do hate about it is insane amount of crap you have to do to stop them from literally using a key stroke recorder program that sends it back to MS. The over a dozen hidden servers that monitor your webcam, your microphone and record all your program/game files and send that back to microsoft. And I'm talking about crap that has nothing to do with fixing things, making things better or for any good reason really. Nosy asshats. But it does run OK for most ppl.


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Using W10 Pro for the past 6 months...hated the way I had to navigate around when I first started using it but have now come to terms with it (for the most part)...It's never crashed on me and seems to run more efficient than my last OS ( Vista Ultimate )..though I did like Vista better than 10.

Win 10 has been kind of like a love hate relationship.....Oh and Win10 updates suck giant dog balls (can I say that ?)


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I have no issues with Windows 10. However, I do have problems with no GPU. 


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Dallas, I may have a spare gtx-660 in a week or so, but I'll be in Japan for a week after. If you don't have a line on a card by then ping me. You need at least a 650W PS with cable for the card.

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Dallas, I may have a spare gtx-660 in a week or so, but I'll be in Japan for a week after. If you don't have a line on a card by then ping me. You need at least a 650W PS with cable for the card.

You're right about that. I would suggest he have at least a 650 watt PSU to make everything work better. Especially his video card and CPU. The cable can be worked around if he does not have the cable to hook to the video card, you can buy adapter cables pretty cheap. Like $5 or less cheap for the adapter. It was pretty nice of you to offer it to him. I've sold all the ones I had on eBay already. And gave a 650 watt Thermaltake PSU to a neighbor for his that died. Now that he knows I think he'll get it fixed eventually. Good luck.


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To respond to OP question:

 

I hope I am wrong, but...

 

The last update https://community.pl...-ps4-xbox-one/  had this line:

 

"September 2015 – Xbox One code merge and first builds

During this process we had to upgrade to DirectX 11. We had to merge 3 different rendering pipelines into one so future development could be faster. "
 
According to Wikipedia, Xbox One uses DirectX 11.x, which is a superset of DirectX 11.2 with some features of DirectX 12 included. Note that's literally "11.x", instead of a numerical digit, and the 'x' is not a wildcard or placeholder.
 
The last version of DirectX that retains Windows 7 compatability is 11.1 , according to Microsoft OS compatibility chart here: https://support.micr...irectx versions
 
Therefore, I would guess Windows 7 support has been left behind.  No official announcement, but it's beginning to look that way, isn't it?


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To respond to OP question:

 

I hope I am wrong, but...

 

The last update https://community.pl...-ps4-xbox-one/  had this line:

 

"September 2015 – Xbox One code merge and first builds

During this process we had to upgrade to DirectX 11. We had to merge 3 different rendering pipelines into one so future development could be faster. "
 
According to Wikipedia, Xbox One uses DirectX 11.x, which is a superset of DirectX 11.2 with some features of DirectX 12 included. Note that's literally "11.x", instead of a numerical digit, and the 'x' is not a wildcard or placeholder.
 
The last version of DirectX that retains Windows 7 compatability is 11.1 , according to Microsoft OS compatibility chart here: https://support.micr...irectx versions
 
Therefore, I would guess Windows 7 support has been left behind.  No official announcement, but it's beginning to look that way, isn't it?

 

 

This is my guess as well but again would love to actually have the development team show up and answer some questions about what is going on.

 

Seems like they are everywhere but on these forums.

 

And if that's the case I'm done with Hawken, not upgrading to Windows 10 to play a Free2Play game that came out 4 years ago.



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HMF^^^....My guess is that if that's correct ( Win 7 not being supported) many that still use 7 and don't currently have any intention of moving to 10 will be upset. But maybe RDL looks at this as a small price to pay to move onto a potentially larger market share.

 

I have been on Win 10 since around the beginning of the year, so it won't really become an issue for me...for for others that aren't,  it might not sit well.

 

Though at first I thought it was a good move to help stimulate gaming on the PC,  I was never thrilled with "Games for Windows" when it first came out some years back. Hope this may not be the same thing. 


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(throws gasoline on fire)

 

https://www.reddit.c...re_screenshots/

 

Notice that, regardless of all that is going on in that subreddit, nowhere is the whole DirectX 11.1/11.2/11.x thing mentioned. Only Win10 Store/Steam availability.

 

 

edit:  see post #19, above


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You should look at how Windows 10 actually runs games and you might want to reconsider that statement.

 

I tried googling how win 10 runs games differently, and I'm not getting anything enlightening on the matter.

Benchmarks showing negligible differences were all the top hits.


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Keji:

 

[–]JSFeliciano[S] 1 point

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I'm not beating a drum for Windows 10. I'm showing that the game is obviously alive on PC and those who have Windows 10 will be able to access it via the Windows Store at some point. I also pointed out that it will continue to be available to play on Win 7 and 8 for those who are worried they will be forced to upgrade.

 

My message has been clear from the start.

 

 


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If Win10 only is the case, I'm really glad I had taken a long break from Hawken / not spent any money on it after Reloaded purchased it.  Maybe one of these days, the Vulkan API will overtake DirectX so MS won't have a stranglehold on gaming.. one can hope, right?






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