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Help me , Help you. Reciving and giving support in hawken.

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I know there is  huge influx in new players and I am grateful for reloaded picking up hawken.

 

I am not a hawken god not even close but I do have some tips for new players. The current trend of death balling has been frustrating and sad in my opinion. A lot of this is due to inexperience with the system and how hawken works.

 

In this post I will just be addressing support . Why?  because that is what I play and I have seen why death balls get started and how to stop or reverses them.

 

  •    (Watch your radar) glance at it ever few seconds see that red dot that is that  enemy coming around that corner. what ya gonna do ?  If you see or hear a RADAR SCRAMBLER  destroy it.

 

  • (Do not thrust) ! I know you want to . NO ...  Every time you use thrust you are saying to the enemy " HERE I AM RIGHT HERE PLEASE COME AND KILL ME . If you just walk you will stay off radar. Use thrust evasively not to a get around the map all the time.

 

  •  (Be a team) Do not I repeat do not solo. This I the biggest mistake I see in game. Do not engage in a battle more than 1 vs 1. Do not be the guy that rushes three enemy's as they surround and slaughter you. (DO NOT FEED THE DEATH BALL)  Do not be this guy please.

 

  • As someone who plays support a lot (KNOW THIS)   I can not efficiently support you if you are not in one team five players in 5 different directions is a nightmare for any type of support. Also all you people out there know that many kinds of support does not get a high score or mvp, Sometimes they should though.  I have stopped and reversed many death balls using support mechs. Only to get gratitude of my team BIT%$ing because my score is low.  Do not be that guy. I made it imposable for them to get a beat on you or  get a good shot off I made them dance with fireballs and nades raining from above. Or cluster F^%$ed them with 9 mines to the back .  I injected chaos onto their world I  made them panic made them stop. I made them run for cover. I even killed a fair share , So just say thank you.

 

  •  (Assist teammates) that are taking damage want to be awesome drop a shield and assist.  C-class needs support look at them as a bullet shield for you but one that will not be there for long if you do not support them. Some mechs need buddies or to be pared up. Sharpshooter is bad at cqc so help him out if you see someone be-lining for him.

 

 

Mechs

 

 Know you mech and know your role as that mech. Do not use a sniper to cqc  and no you can not use a g2 raider to snipe. That is just the way it is folks.

 

  • A-class  light mechs do not do well out in open. If you play an a- class better get use to dodging and taking cover you will be doing that a lot.

 

  • B-class medium mechs are a little more forgiving but you should still be dodging and using cover.

 

  • C-class are slow moving tanks they can take a lot more damage but sacrifice armor for mobility.( If you are not a c-class you should be assisting them.)

 

 Kinds of support and general examples

 

 Front line : Vanguard  Brawler

 

 Healing :Technician

 

 Suppression  Incinerator ,  Grenadier  rocketeer

 

 Ranged : Reaper (medium range)  Sharpshooter (Long range)

 

 multipliers : Redox O2 ,on technician X damage   and Mamma on incinerater X heat

 

Stealth ambush : Predator and Infiltrator  these are the only mechs that should be soloing even at that they should more satellite a team not really be off by themselves. Raider can do this as well as a scout if they walk and surprise the enemy then use ablity to get the F#%* out of doge.

 

 

 

Play style will in general fit into one of three styles

 

Offensive :  Front line  starts the fight mostly sustained fire weapons

 

Defensive : In some way makes it harder for the other team to function this includes suppression mostly burst fire weapons.

 

Healing : You love him or hate him he is the only one who does this job.

 

 

 

The art of give and take

 

Like it or not harken is predominately a team game so if you do not play as a team you are beaten like a red headed stepchild. If you do not want to play as a team go play DEATH MATCH not team death match. That will make you a better solo player if that is what you want. In TDM though I would strongly suggest playing as a team.

 

Rule one if you team has 4 assaults and a tech you might want to go incinerator or Vanguard try to balance out your team. A specialized team is a dead team. Variety is the spice of life.

 

If you see a tech on the other team I would suggest adding one to your team. Before that death ball gets out of hand.

 

Change mechs If  it looks like you team is suffering.  Change mechs and play styles. A lot of times this is all that is needed to turn the tide. Learn more than on mech or class.

 

 

 

Support from technicians dos and don't s

 

First and foremost as a tech I am not your crutch so that you do not have to doge. Doge and take cover as normal.

 

 Stay in proximity of the tech ideally put him at you center. Epically in the open.  

 

Do not thrust away from a tech healing you especially when you are low on health.  why ....I see that you are hurting that is why I drooped that orb and shield and fired up my green beam of love. If you thrust away you will die and waste my ability.  It is a loose loose. Better yet drop a shield I will drop a orb and you will be healed in a few seconds.  Do not run at me with two health and expect that I can heal you before you die when you are taking fire.

 

This is in regards to the redox O2 and the red beam. If  you see me using ether of these focus fire on that person. Why your damage is multiplied.

 

 

I am a tech a squishy paper doll that can get killed by two nicely placed shots as such I will not rush out in the open unless my team is pocketing me and creating some cover for me.  The best places to be healed are full cover or where the tech can take cover and heal you while you fire.

 

If you leave a tech alone the will die fast and often.

 

 


 

General info

 

New people , Test drive before you buy. please do not make Pred your first mech outside of the g2 raider it is the hardest mech in the game.

 

If you are new buy mechs not internals you will get mechs faster and have more ways to play the game.

 

If you play pred use the explore maps function it will help you alot

 

If you hear someone yell regroup that means stop what you are doing and find teammates as soon as possible. They are trying to stop a deatball.

 

 

If you suffer from universal mech syndrome please get some help all mechs can not be played the same. Rush out and die does not win games. 

 

 

This is not a extensive guide it is general please search out others and give soldierhobbies11 videos on you-tube  a look for more specific mech info and how to ply each mech.


Edited by Source_Mystic, 28 April 2015 - 05:12 AM.

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Support from technicians do's and don't

 

First and foremost as a tech I am not your crutch so that you do not have to dodge. Dodge and take cover as normal.

 

Do not thrust away from a tech healing you especially when you are low on health.  why ....I see that you are hurting that is why I drooped that orb and shield and fired up my green beam of love. if you thrust away you will die and waste my ability when I use it . It is a loose loose. better yet drop a shield I will drop a orb and you will be healed in a few seconds.

 

This is in regards to the redox O2 and the red beam. if  you see me using ether of these focus fire on that person. Why your damage is multiplied.

 

 

I am a tech a squishy paper doll that can get killed bu two nicely placed shots as such I will not rush out in the open unless my team is pocketing me and creating some cover for me. best places to be healed are full cover or where the tech can take cover and heal you while you fire.

 

If you leave a tech alone the will die fast and often.

 

This stuff is gold! I love playing my Tech and supporting my team but it can be incredibly frustrating when the things you listed here happen. I'm noticing it more and more recently, especially if the enemy team knows what they are doing and focus fire on me and I get zero support from my team.


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Yes! This!

If new players are paying attention (this is glorious on Bunker) Teching someone for 20-30 seconds, then catching a yolo-diver as he whips past to heal, with 7HP left, and doing the same for him; after about 2 minutes of play (if they're paying attention) your team turns into a Tech-snuggling TEAM instead of lonewolfing noobs. It may even take a couple of matches, but the sharp ones figure it out: stay together, protect your Tech, get awesome kills, die seldom or never, win more often.

It's sort of Positive Reinforcement, but it works.

Yay!


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I think this sums up average play nicely, but if you have insane tricks and ways of moving, there are certainly other play styles than the ones listed here. If you know your shield play and can keep a find eye on your fuel gauge you can certainly do 3v1. I did it the other day, and took out a beserker, a vanguard, and a technician all in one go and I found no need for a tech. However, the gameplay in general should certainly be as you listed.


Edited by Augmentia, 28 April 2015 - 09:20 AM.

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I think this sums up average play nicely, but if you have insane tricks and ways of moving, there are certainly other play styles than the ones listed here. If you know your shield play and can keep a find eye on your fuel gauge you can certainly do 3v1. I did it the other day, and took out a beserker, a vanguard, and a technician all in one go and I found no need for a tech. However, the gameplay in general should certainly be as you listed.

This is not a extensive guide it is general please search out others and give soldierhobbies11 videos on you-tube  a look for more specific mech info and how to play each mech. ya put that at the end .. thanks for playing

 

I never said this was high level or high mmr advice ... is is a basic general info I  would want someone starting hawken to know  I would not even really call it a guide. but some handy facts that new player needs to understand.

 

New players should not go 1 vs 3  and you should not ether I am sure all of these players were low mmr if they were your skill level you would have not  killed them. so I am not impressed with your bragging. experience being equal 1v1 rule sticks even at high mmr play. stomping noobs is  does not count.

 

    I have under some  circumstances triple killed people but that was not all me ether that was because team chipped away a decent amount of armor making it possible to kill them all in one nice explosion. New people DO NOT GO MORE THAN 1 vs 1 .. please

 

 oh please explain these mysterious other play styles that do not fit into offensive defensive suppression healing and multipliers ..  and do not say harassment because that would fit defensive as it is a distractive   tactic  general play styles hold. Unless you can invent some new ones which I doubt but hay give it a try.

 

shield dueling is a defensive tactic so you are out of luck there.

 

But I am still waiting for you to reinvent the wheel please enlighten me.


Edited by Source_Mystic, 28 April 2015 - 12:50 PM.


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BUMP BUMP BUMP ....... PEOPLE ARE STILL DOING THIS fuzzy bunny  B.S.

????!!!! WTF


Edited by Source_Mystic, 22 April 2016 - 08:46 PM.


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keep playing until you know how to destroy a death ball. it takes at least 100 hours to find the right algorithms, unless they have 3 smurfs in their team and you only have 1; then it's over.


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No mater how long you play , if you end up on a predominantly  light  run in a die solo team ,   nothing you can do will save that game.  One person can not  hold up a team , two grens if they stick together and drop  nades  at the same time might be you best bet.. At least a breaking up the  other teams consternation and focus that being said if you end up in a bad pub where the death ball is greater than say ten and climbing every second  get in a eoc pred and do damage from a distance then quickly relocate. if you try to help a bad team too closely it will just get you focused on when they die feeding the deathball

 

 Support is not just for  some mechs  IT is for all mechs  should be supporting the team  some way, You should be asking your self what can I do for my team.

 

Another thing that I do not understand is if  team member health is going down rush to them to help for two reasons one  to save them and  second  the other guy is taking damage as well . Which means you are attacking a target that is already softened up. no matter ho you look at it it makes sense.

 

Heavy class mechs  need support too there lack of mobility means they need defensive help  ...use them as a meat shield that is there job First in last out should be a heavy's motto  but they can not do it by themselves  vanguard and brawler are great mechs if i get just a little bit of help ... but  if i get none i will not even bother. having two heavy's in a team is good. The problem is everyone wants to solo and leave  them  behind to deal with scouts and raiders by themselves  then get piss off at the poor bastard that  WAS LEFT BEHIND. 

 

C class mechs are the frontline they should be up front and pushing  forward .

 

B class  fill the ranks of  second line support

 

A class are third line = get in get out  support b and c

 

 there are also close mid range and long range mechs

 

 There are some be and  c class that can break this mold but you should always be helping you team.

 

 

Rush in and die is not a tactic ....... please stop doing this

 

USE cover and look at your radar all the  time .... stop thrusting walk  use thrust to maneuver not to get around the board fast.

 

Know you mech and what your  role is in it example preds job is to destroy all items while cloaked spot enemy position and flank  orbiting a team not being right in with it he is a back stabler if you are not plating him like that you are doing it wrong. 

 

 

Last if you really want to say f^%$ my team than just go play death match for  five minuets then come back to team death match and Be a Part of a team.


Edited by Source_Mystic, 23 April 2016 - 06:53 PM.


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get the F#%* out of doge.

 

 

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did someone say doge?

 

our forum needs an honorable_judge_doge; who will take the mantle

 

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