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i only watched fragments of the series, but i did watch the movie last week.

 

 

that being said, i am left with alot of unanswered questions that i spent so long looking for but couldn't find.

 

question 1..........

 

How is Kylo Ren connected to Darth Vader, when his father is Han Solo?

 

And how does Han Solo have jedi sperm, when he's just a smuggler?  (cross out this question)

 

question 2 2

 

ren had no jedi training, yet she was able to defeat kylo ren.. what the heck gives?!!!?

 

question 3:

 

why was the Star Wars storm trooper black.  since their mostly clones, does that mean their all black?

 

 

 

 

 



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1. Kylo Ren is Leia's son as well as Han's. Leia is Darth Vader's daughter.

 

2. Yes this is really dumb.

 

3. I'm assuming that sometime between the clone wars and this point in time, they started using not clones. Who knows.

 

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Number 1, I'm pretty sure he just worships him as a mentor-like figure. 

 

Number 2, the power of main protagonist survivability and stuff, yo. 

 

Number 3, there was a period in which all troopers were indeed clones, however in the film Traitor Finn says that he was taken from his family and village at a very young age. I'm pretty sure the reason they stopped making clones was that one of them developed a sense of morality and it spread like wildfire or something of the sort. 


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qui gon mustive been pretty stupid... he found the destiny boy that killed off all the jedis. lol

 

what a bigi slap to the phacsh.



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Finn says that he was taken from his family and village at a very young age.

 

 

sounds alot like Africa.... and the slavery we read about 300 years ago.



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the fact that Kylo Ren couldn't even enter into the girl's mind was a strong foreshadowing..

 

that one day, in a few series, she will defeat him...

 

kylo ren had so many years of training under the dark master, yet she was able to defeat him in just one simple day....   how much midiclorian gene does she have?  90%?!?!

 

the biggest pain that i got from the movie, was Chewie..

 

Chewie's emotions and feelings, especially after han solo died made me tear up...  i dont care about Han, Kylo, Ren,  i only care about Chewie.  Because he's a hairball like me. and i think he's handsome.


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ren had no jedi training, yet she was able to defeat kylo ren.. what the heck gives?!!!?

 

kylo was wounded in the stomach by a gun (ok. no gun in SW. by a laser pistol). you may have missed this point. so, she won him because he was wounded before.
also, kylo just a nub. i mean, he have a great power like darth vader, but he is nub.
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look silly flaws in the star wars, given that the previous 6 series also Immersed bunch of goofs. I liked the last battle in the forest. Well, you know, when lightsaber cuts the tree ... is a good and nice looking idea :D

 

kylo ren had so many years of training under the dark master, yet she was able to defeat him in just one simple day....   how much midiclorian gene does she have?  90%?!?!

 

darth vader also was a dark last boss. killed by his weak son.
darth mol was a strongest warrior. killed by a weak and young Obi. xD

 


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ok. to be serious. did you want to know the real reason why kylo not win? he not watch at radar...


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I've watched it three times now. It's better on the second watch. There is too much to take in the first time.


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i recall kylo using the force and smashing ren on a tree, therefore knocking her out..

 

why didn't he do the same thing to her again.

 

and how did a star trooper becomne so good at using the light sabre,  is there a chance he might be a midiclorhoainaian  and possibly be the next black jedi?



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I've watched it three times now. It's better on the second watch. There is too much to take in the first time.

i see many bad about sw7 in internet. but than i see it by myself. most of bad thing about this film is not true.

i have no pretension to J.J. he made his work good and save many features and sw style|design (if compared with other sw parts)

but I have only one pretension for this film. This is the "Finn". He's a bad actor. Very bad actor. His role is very stupid. idiotic dialogues and replicas, constant mood swings, frequent changes of decisions (I should help the rebels! No, i need safe myself! No, I have to help the rebels! No, I have to save my life and escape!, well, if you see you understand :D)
This is the worst character elaboration in 2016 that I saw.


 

i recall kylo using the force and smashing ren on a tree

 

it is hard to use force when you have a bullet hole in your stomach :D
in the end he try to use force to get a light saber in snow, but he can't. he can't push light saber, obviously he can't throw a people who weight 45-50 kg.

also, kylo not dead. i think he is return in sw8, more powerful and with new helmet and more evil ;D


 

and how did a star trooper becomne so good at using the light sabre

 

in one moment we can see troper which can fights with jedi, with special lighting rod (have no idea how it called on english) Finn was a "good training soldier" so, it may be a part of training. but he is worse than jedi, cuz only have a "basic" training in trooper-academy

but. did you notice that Finn is a trooper, and he shooting very accuracy. we all know that troopers in sw lore accuracy close to zero :D
it is fail.
 


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I've watched it three times now. It's better on the second watch. There is too much to take in the first time.

Yeah, I thought the movie was 50/50, obviously I knew it would never be as good or better as the originals but I was pissed when Han gets killed and all that happens is Chewie goes apeshart and then the plot is like moving on...


  

What if we just give some bacon paint, some bacon holo-emotes and change Bunker from snow to bacon.

 

This way, everyone will be happy.

What you should really do, is replace your parts with bacon, so you can cook games and eat bacon

Obviously the wallpaper would be cooler if bacon was incorporated into it.

 


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Where's the point in watching the next one if Han Solo isn't there?


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Yeah, I thought the movie was 50/50, obviously I knew it would never be as good or better as the originals but I was pissed when Han gets killed and all that happens is Chewie goes apeshart and then the plot is like moving on...

Taking information from the Film Theorists on Youtube, apparently Han was originally supposed to die anyway with the background of the Force Awakens (Luke missing, Leia leading the rebels, Han and Leia separated) was supposed to already have been established at the end of Return of the Jedi. Turns out Geroge Lucas decided to change the script last minute because he wanted it to end happy instead. Kind of explains why this 7th movie was a bit weird since they had a ton of stuff to establish before the 8th and 9th films, which is a bit much for an intro movie.

 

Also, Rey being decently skilled with a lightsaber even without prior Jedi training could be a result of her seemingly repressed memories. It's a bit of a cheesy explanation, but it's the only one they've even remotely hinted at in the movie. Most likely her parents were Jedi and decided to wipe her memories in order to protect her. This is kind of a reoccurring theme for some reason: Kid left at desert planet not knowing who or what they are->go on adventure with their cool tech skillz->I am your father/you are the chosen one


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Where's the point in watching the next one if Han Solo isn't there?

 

Indiana Jones just is really old now :D
i preffer this way to delete his character from next movie, than find different actor who play Han instead Harrison Ford.


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ren had no jedi training, yet she was able to defeat kylo ren.. what the heck gives?!!!?

I would assume that they've picked up the 'Force Artifacts' element of the expanded universe. Items in the presence of The Force for a long time pick up certain properties and, potentially, can give an untrained user some ability to use it. The lightsaber in question was used by Anakin and Luke, two of the most powerful Jedi to have existed. This would explain why Finn could use it (though, let's be honest, it's a stick that you swing at things) and why Rey, someone who likely had previous training (fan theory), was able to be much more effective. Not to mention the Kylo Ren was injured, in a highly emotional state, and also not fully trained. Also, she didn't defeat him. He planet fell apart and a massive chasm opened between them (but she did have him down).


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I always figure that Rey's combat skills with the staff may or may not translate to some idea on how to fight with a lightsaber, both being melee weapons at least.  


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Just to mention that although the movie is very cool and entertaining -mostly both CG an special effects stand points- it unfortunately has so many inconsistences thus I honestly hope and wish they put an special effort in that next time. I'd like to see Mr. Lucas saying something like "That's my boy" for the next movie of the saga.

 

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people are gonna hate me when i say this...

 

but the jedi order deserved to be killed...and anekin was right to join the dark side..

 

all this fear and insecurity about anekin led to their demise...

 

i wouldive joined the dark side too...  jedi masters giving broad and philosophical views and 50% of the picture, and hoping anekin will fill the 50% by himself is a bad system of learning.  



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I mean, Finn wasn't that good with a lightsaber; By the end of the movie he's on the ground dying and nearly chopped in half.

Also, Kylo Ren, despite his training, is a skrublord and not actually that great at being a Sith. It never ocurred to me that this was a plot hole, I'm pretty sure being a whiney, ineffective Vader fanboy was supposed to be an intentional part of his character; Never once did I think "OH, this guy, Kylo Ren, he's a badass." LOL, no, he's a naive tryhard who doesn't know what dark fuzzy bunny he's gotten himself mixed up in. (Kind of like a certain Anakin Skywalker, if the prequels are to be acknowledged at all. I generally don't, tho). I mean, look at the dumb temper tantrum he throws when he wrecks those computers. That's not how an actual badass carries themselves. I would've been like, "UGGHHHH, Duuuuuuuuuuude! That fuzzy bunny is going to cost a fortune to replace, WTH man. DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT THOSE DID?" Kinda' like when a rebellious yet ineffective teenager decides they're going to be a satanist or something for a week. It's usually just a cry for attention, etc.

Also, Rey's just a fuzzy bunnyng badass, no explanation needed, deal with it. How many movies and games and stories are there where the main character is just a fuzzy bunnyng badass and is good at everything they do? I'm not sure exactly, but probably something like ~93,284,673,976,489,327,648,932,476. Not saying it's the most interesting way to tell a story, but it is what it is.

Anyways... I thought the movie was neat, didn't like it a whole lot at first, but I've been slowly warming up to it as I realize my preconceived notions of what Star Wars "is" were getting in the way of me enjoying it fully. Really my only gripe with it at this point is the immediate and sudden destruction of Deathstar 3.0. :yucky: "The Return of the Superweapon" thing just felt really shoehorned.

The prequels will never be forgiven, though, I'm sorry.


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but the jedi order deserved to be killed...and anekin was right to join the dark side..

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Admittedly, the first time around I was a little critical, the second time around I enjoyed it slightly more.  

 

I am disappointed with John Williams this time.  Even the prequels have the fantastic soundtracks from John Williams, one of the few amazing things to come out of the prequels was the music that accompanied them.

 

And I don't give that much hate for the prequels, I don't think they're that terrible, and if anything, they pioneered filmmaking technology just as Lucas did with the original trilogy.

 

I respect Mr. George Lucas greatly for the prequels.


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And I don't give that much hate for the prequels, I don't think they're that terrible, and if anything, they pioneered filmmaking technology just as Lucas did with the original trilogy.

 

I respect Mr. George Lucas greatly for the prequels.

I am completely and inexorably baffled by this.

I mean, the new movie has it's obvious flaws, too. But it at least felt like I was watching an actual Star Wars movie (Rather than a weird simulation of one).

But then again, I didn't create Star Wars and get a bajillion dollars, so I don't know fuzzy bunny.


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I respect Mr. George Lucas greatly for the prequels.

It's a shame they never made an episode 1.


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Let's get into something more serious...

 

is the force real? 

 

lightsabres are fake, but is the force real?  is there a dark side, and a light side?



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Let's get into something more serious...

 

is the force real? 

 

lightsabres are fake, but is the force real?  is there a dark side, and a light side?

obviously it is exist.
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I am completely and inexorably baffled by this.

I mean, the new movie has it's obvious flaws, too. But it at least felt like I was watching an actual Star Wars movie (Rather than a weird simulation of one).

But then again, I didn't create Star Wars and get a bajillion dollars, so I don't know fuzzy bunny.

 

I enjoyed the new movie, but it was far, far too safe.  It didn't introduce anything new. Basically, all the ships got a facelift and that's it.  Death Star is back and bigger than ever before. And that thermal exhaust port that's the one weakness? Made it bigger too, and changed its name from thermal exhaust to thermal oscillator.  Ice planet, desert planet, forest planet.  New X-wing? Oh, let's just cut the intakes in half and paint it black! New X-Wing! Same TIE Fighter, but it's all new because it's black and red now!

 

One of the greatest things about Star Wars is the diversity in technology, the cool stuff.  The varying planets.  The aliens.  It really shows that it's a big universe with different types of ships and weapons and all.  The Force Awakens had its moments (that lightning baton thing, troop transports, etc), but for the most part, was incredibly safe.

 

Good movie, too safe.  I respect Lucas for at least trying to introduce new stuff in the prequels, which he did.  New stuff every movie, and that stuff builds on the universe as a whole.  I mean it was a distance with what he did with the original trilogy.  He showed how a war over trade disputes, a democracy fell, how an empire rose. If anything, see how Lucas created allegories in both the prequels and the original trilogy.  In the OG, take for example ROTJ. Empire getting fuzzy bunny on by a bunch of Ewoks, allegory how the US got crapped on by the Vietcong during the Vietname War.  In AOTC and ROTS, how Palpatine was granted nearly unlimited power in the face of war, the Jedi playing along in the name of peace and safety, Anakin singlehandedly bringing down the Republic, allegory for the Patriot Act after the 9/11 attacks, U.S's dislike for W. Bush for his actions.  The international vying for influence in the Middle East where much oil flows from, trade and all.  He weaved social and political commentary into his movies.  Yeah, a lot of the dialogue was pretty miserable.  I agree with that. The actors weren't bad though.  Natalie Portman is a good actress, for example.  But if the movies had better scripts, could've it been just as good as the Original Trilogy? Absolutely.  The concepts and storyline of the prequels are solid, a good story to tell.  Unfortunately, Lucas's strengths aren't in screenwriting with dialogue.  Despite that, he still told a story of a fall of a democracy and rise of an empire.

 

Going along with the same idea of "a simulation of one," I don't knock the heavy use of greenscreen.  Let's take the movie Avatar by James Cameron.  Wildly successful movie, shot mostly on bluescreen/greenscreen type technology.  It doesn't get the same fuzzy bunny that the prequels get. So when people cite the heavy use of greenscreen making it feel like an artificial movie, I'm disappointed in them.  If anything, Lucas practically pioneered the form of creating movies almost entirely on greenscreen-like technology, as far as I know.

 

While Force Awakens technically has "new planets" and "new stuff" it's nothing we haven't seen before.  That's my biggest qualm with Force Awakens.  I liked the new characters for the most part, I enjoyed the movie, disappointed with universe building.

 

I realize I may annoy a lot of people with this post, people have an deep dislike for the prequels.  I dislike them too, but I recognize their quality and I respect George Lucas for creating them.  I also dislike the Force Awakens too, for reasons.  But I still like it, just like I appreciate the prequels despite its obvious flaws.  Every movie has its ups and downs, and for people to refuse to recognize the ups of the prequels is naive to me.


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Silverfire, your grammar usage is on point from my perspective, so I can't possibly see how it can annoy anyone.  That being said, I'm surprised that you've even given my thread a shred of honor.

 

I'm gonna take your post serious,  since I have an exam in 2 hours and haven't studied yet, but my brain pattern seems to work this way in a very unusual negative way that drastically affects how I live and where I currently am in this current plane of realm.

 

I enjoyed the new movie, but it was far, far too safe.  It didn't introduce anything new. Basically, all the ships got a facelift and that's it.  Death Star is back and bigger than ever before. And that thermal exhaust port that's the one weakness? Made it bigger too, and changed its name from thermal exhaust to thermal oscillator.  Ice planet, desert planet, forest planet.  New X-wing? Oh, let's just cut the intakes in half and paint it black! New X-Wing! Same TIE Fighter, but it's all new because it's black and red now!

 

 

It did introduce something new.  That a bad guy such as Kylo Ren can be considered a bad guy.  He was the type of kid I'd imagine at the MAGIC THE GATHERING events picking his nose with cheddar all over his shirt.   It is even more painful how he killed his father the way that he did.   It was the same patterns as a distressed kid bringing a weapon to school.  I didn't like it one bit.   Han shouldive died more nobly from a Stormtrooper bullet, not by his weak son.  

 

I did have a problem with Finn though.  Throughout the whole series, he was profusely sweating.  It was very disturbing for me while I was in my hamster cage.  Yes, yes it was.   They shouldive directed more of the attention to R-2 and Chewie.  If they went that route, I wouldive given the film a solid 10/10, but they had to highlight the screen time to a conflicted nerd kid who hates his father for being his father.

 

I didn't care much about the CGI or the green screen.  If the storyline was good, then it was good.  I enjoyed the storyline because Chewie was in it.   I never knew who HAN SOLO was until I watched the movie, so from my perspective, he was just another old dude in a film.  But very quickly, I came to respect him, admire him, and even think like him.  He was the only human character that I can relate to.   I have lots of debt and I can't pay it, so I'd do the same thing to get the only thing I cherished, my ride.

 

The story-building was beautiful, but there was too much FINN and not enough of Chewie and R-2.     8/10

 

Remember in the hobbit movie, when that dirty hippie greedy dude got like 30 minutes of screentime? Throughout those scenes, I was cringing because I saw something so ugly that shouldn't even be there.   It was more annoying than a mosquito bite.  That was how I felt about Finn.    Next time, use more Chewie and revolve the story line around Chewie.  He's the main actor.



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chewie.jpgGod damn....just look at the work.   He always gets the best hairdo and the best Shampoo.    I'd marry him in a heartbeat.  



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Indiana Jones just is really old now :D
i preffer this way to delete his character from next movie, than find different actor who play Han instead Harrison Ford.

 

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Going along with the same idea of "a simulation of one," I don't knock the heavy use of greenscreen.  Let's take the movie Avatar by James Cameron.  Wildly successful movie, shot mostly on bluescreen/greenscreen type technology.  It doesn't get the same fuzzy bunny that the prequels get. So when people cite the heavy use of greenscreen making it feel like an artificial movie, I'm disappointed in them.  If anything, Lucas practically pioneered the form of creating movies almost entirely on greenscreen-like technology, as far as I know.

 Avatar sucked; I give it fuzzy bunny constantly. :pirate:
Save your disappointment.
(I realize I'm probably in a vast minority on that one. But holy fuzzy bunny what a stupid movie that was...)

And heavy use of greenscreen was NOT why the Star Wars prequels were bad. And you can introduce all of the novelty in the universe in terms of new fuzzy bunny and world building, but it won't (and didn't) make up for hackneyed writing, dull characters that are walking contradictions, uninventive camera work (Shot, reverse shot, repeat, FOR 3 MOVIES), and a confusing, inconsistent plot that didn't make sense with the previous movies, or even itself.

The entire trilogy could've been completely 3d-animated, and it would not have mattered to anyone (Or most people), as long as they were still good movies. They are not. We're talking film 101 stuff here, that was just chucked in the bin, presumably for the sake of just pushing the technical envelope as much as possible.

A lot of these complaints actually apply to the new movie as well, but to a far, far lesser degree. For all of TFA's playing it safe and infuriatingly derivitive B.S. (Seriously), it's still a better movie than any one of the prequels.

I don't refuse to acknowledge the good things the prequels have going for them. It's just that they didn't fuzzy bunnyng matter, the movies are awful in spite of them.

Anyways... At the end of the day, I'm still just arguing over fuzzy bunnyng Star Wars, whatever, lol. The prequels (And Avatar) still made 923175329759248567 meteor credits, so, again, I obviously don't know WTF I'm talking about.


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