25 round bot coops that you win with options give you max HC.
The Grind.
#81
Posted 26 May 2015 - 04:07 PM
#82
Posted 26 May 2015 - 04:39 PM
Try resetting your router and rebooting your computer?
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Did I say Call Me Ishmael?
You should call me Luna.
#83
Posted 26 May 2015 - 05:22 PM
As God is my witness, I replied to his other thread.
Puma, you gots issues.
Did I say Call Me Ishmael?
You should call me Luna.
#84
Posted 26 May 2015 - 06:00 PM
Edit:
Seriously though, what you're really saying is that you became a better player by playing more. Grind has nothing to do with that.
No, it's not.
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#85
Posted 26 May 2015 - 06:37 PM
No, it's not.
Okay, I'll bite.
Player A buys 32 mechs with MC the first day he logs in. He then goes on to play 2,000 matches using all of those mechs equally.
Player B buys 32 mechs with HC that she gains over time. During that time she plays 2,000 matches using all of those mechs equally.
Who is the better player and why?
Edited by kasei, 26 May 2015 - 06:41 PM.
#86
Posted 26 May 2015 - 06:41 PM
Okay, I'll bite.
Player A buys 32 mechs with MC the first day he logs in. He then goes on to play 2,000 matches with all of those mechs.
Player B buys 32 mechs with HC that she gains over time. During that time she plays 2,000 matches with all of those mechs.
Which is the better player and why?
Is this a trick question? You said player A is a "he" and player B is a "she".
All that aside, I say player B because they have greater appreciation of those mechs and what they cost and because a girl who plays 2000 matches of Hawken is awesome... just because.
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To be serious for a moment this is just a joke
#87
Posted 26 May 2015 - 06:48 PM
Is this a trick question? You said player A is a "he" and player B is a "she".
It's just an example, I'm more worried about how that's the first thing you noticed ... you horny dog you ;P
Edited by kasei, 26 May 2015 - 07:12 PM.
#88
Posted 27 May 2015 - 05:30 PM
Okay, I'll bite.
Player A buys 32 mechs with MC the first day he logs in. He then goes on to play 2,000 matches using all of those mechs equally.
Player B buys 32 mechs with HC that she gains over time. During that time she plays 2,000 matches using all of those mechs equally.
Who is the better player and why?
Having things handed to you verses EARNING them is a life lesson that must be learned (and taught). You gain a greater appreciation of their value when you must earn the things you have.
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#89
Posted 27 May 2015 - 05:40 PM
Edited by LadyTiggs, 29 May 2015 - 09:01 PM.
#90
Posted 27 May 2015 - 06:14 PM
Having things handed to you verses EARNING them is a life lesson that must be learned (and taught). You gain a greater appreciation of their value when you must earn the things you have.
So we can agree this isn't about player skill, just player mentality. I can understand that perspective, but you're assuming a lot of things with that statement. Let me show a different perspective on those two players.
Both players played the same number of matches, so they have both invested roughly the same amount of time into the game. However, Player B got all of those mechs for zero financial investment. Player A on the other hand did make a financial investment to get those mechs.
Player A invested both time and money into the game. He may not value the mechs as much, but I think he has a greater appreciation for the game as a whole more.
With that said, who can say whether Player A earned his mechs or not? Perhaps he worked hard at a part time job to earn money for MC. Maybe he just used mom's credit card. Regardless, he may truly understand the value of the money he spent... or not. In short, you can't say that one person has a greater appreciation for their mechs just because they grinded for it. That's just being prejudice.
Now I'll tell you my perspective. A few years ago I was a college student with more time than money. I'm not in college anymore, my time is much more valuable now than it was a few years ago. I'm also a cost conscious person. If I had to grind to get a mech, the amount of time I would spend would make the mechs too expensive in my opinion. Spending a few bucks that I've earned is a much better value.
Now if I grinded anyway, my mechs would be worth more than they do now relative to the worth of my time. However, that doesn't mean I value my mechs any more or less than anyone else.
Well that got longwinded xD Oh well, have fun later.
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#91
Posted 27 May 2015 - 07:58 PM
So we can agree this isn't about player skill, just player mentality. I can understand that perspective, but you're assuming a lot of things with that statement. Let me show a different perspective on those two players.
Both players played the same number of matches, so they have both invested roughly the same amount of time into the game. However, Player B got all of those mechs for zero financial investment. Player A on the other hand did make a financial investment to get those mechs.
Player A invested both time and money into the game. He may not value the mechs as much, but I think he has a greater appreciation for the game as a whole more.
With that said, who can say whether Player A earned his mechs or not? Perhaps he worked hard at a part time job to earn money for MC. Maybe he just used mom's credit card. Regardless, he may truly understand the value of the money he spent... or not. In short, you can't say that one person has a greater appreciation for their mechs just because they grinded for it. That's just being prejudice.
Now I'll tell you my perspective. A few years ago I was a college student with more time than money. I'm not in college anymore, my time is much more valuable now than it was a few years ago. I'm also a cost conscious person. If I had to grind to get a mech, the amount of time I would spend would make the mechs too expensive in my opinion. Spending a few bucks that I've earned is a much better value.
Now if I grinded anyway, my mechs would be worth more than they do now relative to the worth of my time. However, that doesn't mean I value my mechs any more or less than anyone else.
Well that got longwinded xD Oh well, have fun later.
WE can't agree about fuzzy bunny. Ya fuzzy bunny knowitall. GRIND YOUR MECH LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. Stop QQ'ng about it.
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#92
Posted 27 May 2015 - 08:02 PM
All that aside, I say player B because they have greater appreciation of those mechs and what they cost and because a girl who plays 2000 matches of Hawken is awesome... just because.
This is the truth. Working on hitting that 2000 mark but i'll get there, and then i'm awesome.


#93
Posted 27 May 2015 - 08:03 PM
To get as much HC as possible from a single match (without any bonuses or boosters), you need to play an entire co op round. I haven't managed to do that yet but I think the max you can get is 500-600 (again, without bonuses or boosters), which is absolutely ridiculous, if you consider how hard it gets in the late waves (20-25), and all the work and effort you do in general. The HC system blatantly ignores all of that.
You stop QQ'ng too. I've spent real dollars but bought The Tea Spot cause that can't be bought with HC. GRIND YOUR MECHS!!!
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#94
Posted 27 May 2015 - 08:11 PM
Edited by LadyTiggs, 29 May 2015 - 09:02 PM.
#95
Posted 28 May 2015 - 05:23 AM
WE can't agree about fuzzy bunny. Ya fuzzy bunny knowitall. GRIND YOUR MECH LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. Stop QQ'ng about it.

This is why I just responded with a GIF before. I can't take a response like that seriously at all.
#96
Posted 28 May 2015 - 09:18 AM
Typical and whiny. It's not to hard... just do it!
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#97
Posted 28 May 2015 - 10:23 AM
Typical and whiny. It's not to hard... just do it!
It's not that hard if you can just play Hawken all day. Some people have *le gasp* other obligations. I'm lucky if I can find two hours in an evening.
#98
Posted 28 May 2015 - 02:06 PM
It's not that hard if you can just play Hawken all day. Some people have *le gasp* other obligations. I'm lucky if I can find two hours in an evening.
I'm a business owner, work 7d a week... still did it... play Hawken 2 maybe 3 hours @ day, sometimes I can't...
For those of us that have been playing since nearly the beginning the thought of not having to grind your Mech would be a slap in the face.
I'm all for a bump in HC, but to just hand it to you because you exist/play... NO!
Double XP weekends rock!
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#99
Posted 28 May 2015 - 02:10 PM
For those of us that have been playing since nearly the beginning the thought of not having to grind your Mech would be a slap in the face.
No it's not. You don't speak for all of us. Stop trying.
I'm all for a bump in HC, but to just hand it to you because you exist/play... NO!
Literally nobody is saying this. We get it, you think the grind is "good for people." You are in the minority and apparently willfully blind to the fact that it is an enormous deterrent to new players, preventing them from sticking with the game which feeds into Hawken's single biggest problem:
A lack of population.
Every week I field fuzzy bunny from the Reddit about HC, new mechs, the grind, etc. We need new players and the grind is killing retention.
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#100
Posted 28 May 2015 - 02:15 PM
No it's not. You don't speak for all of us. Stop trying.
Literally nobody is saying this. We get it, you think the grind is "good for people." You are in the minority and apparently willfully blind to the fact that it is an enormous deterrent to new players, preventing them from sticking with the game which feeds into Hawken's single biggest problem:
A lack of population.
Every week I field fuzzy bunny from the Reddit about HC, new mechs, the grind, etc. We need new players and the grind is killing retention.
Ok, whatever, give the fuzzy bunny away... fuzzy bunny off! But truthfully, whether I'm in the minority or not it is unimportant. I don't own the game, you don't own the game and this is all for naught. However, IMO, for those who played and ground their mechs on this current and the past HC systems it is a slight to those accomplishments if HC is given away by the bucket for just showing up. That's the problem with our society in general. The "I'm entitled to it" attitude, narcissism and deeply embedded sense of entitlement is a load of crap. GROW UP, GROW THE F UP. Stop looking for or expect someone to pay your way, earn it!
"You don't speak for all of us stop trying." Sounds like a threat, is this a threat, are you threating me? Are you butthurt because of this? It sounds like your butthurt. Because if your butthurt because of it... tough titties cry baby.
"We get it you think the grind is good for people". Now that statement is hypocritical. Didn't you just say "You don't speak for all of us stop trying"? Or did you make a mistake because your so BUTTHURT and couldn't think straight. Or are you just another forum troll? You and your rainbow buddies can piss off.
GRIND YOUR MECH SLACKER!
Edited by thirtysix, 29 May 2015 - 06:49 PM.
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#101
Posted 29 May 2015 - 02:42 PM
I'm a business owner, work 7d a week... still did it... play Hawken 2 maybe 3 hours @ day, sometimes I can't...
For those of us that have been playing since nearly the beginning the thought of not having to grind your Mech would be a slap in the face.
I'm all for a bump in HC, but to just hand it to you because you exist/play... NO!
Double XP weekends rock!
Maybe, just maybe, I shouldn't have to grind for years to have a decent set of mechs. I'm glad to grind, that's not the issue- the issue is that if it's supposed to take years to unlock a reasonable amount of content, I'm going to go play something else. Like SMITE- $30 gets you every character in the game, more gets you cosmetics and voice packs. I'm glad to drop some money into a game, but the pricing scheme for Hawken is mediocre at best.
#102
Posted 29 May 2015 - 03:07 PM
"You don't speak for all of us stop trying." Sounds like a threat, is this a threat, are you threating me?
...you sound incredibly paranoid.
"We get it you think the grind is good for people". Now that statement is hypocritical. Didn't you just say "You don't speak for all of us stop trying"? Or did you make a mistake because your so BUTTHURT and couldn't think straight. Or are you just another forum troll? You and your rainbow buddies can piss off.
Posted on a public forum, for all of us to see:
36 mechs in my garage, did the grind for every single one. I'm a better player for it.
Grinding is good for your mech pilot soul.
Look, I bought every last one of my mechs and all their weapons, items and internals with HC. I earned them. Furthermore I bought all the skins, thrusters, and repair drones with my own money and several dozen parts for various mechs as well. I bought a server and help pay for the public TeamSpeak. I paid my own damn way in every way you possibly can in this game. And I am perfectly willing to admit that the grind is excessive and harms player retention.
But please, continue to rant and rave about how we're all "entitled" because you bought in to a flawed progression and are now exhibiting serious stockholm syndrome.
#103
Posted 29 May 2015 - 03:16 PM
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#104
Posted 29 May 2015 - 04:39 PM
This helped ease the grind tremendously. I forgot how much HC you could get for free, but it was absurd.
#105
Posted 29 May 2015 - 06:47 PM
Back when open beta started, they gave away all kinds of HC codes. There was even a thread dedicated to them so everyone could keep up with them.
This helped ease the grind tremendously. I forgot how much HC you could get for free, but it was absurd.
Yeah, there were bonus codes. It was great. Wasn't there a bonus for 100 hours played, can't remember if I got a bonus for 500 hours too... lil' secret, I really don't give 2 shits... I'm gonna play till the wheels fall off... just like being a prick to buttinskies.
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#106
Posted 29 May 2015 - 07:02 PM
#107
Posted 29 May 2015 - 07:18 PM
I don't know why you are so angry, Thirtysix. People are just posting their opinion on how things can improve for newer players rather than us older ones who have stuck with the game. There is no real need get so angry about opinions. Gosh, I don't even get this angry when my friends say that "Hawken sucks" or "that it is not such a good game" even when half of them haven't even played it and they say it just to spite me because they now find it fun to mock it. I just think "I don't value your opinion anymore", and that's that.
A way to win an argument is to not get flustered. Just tell us why else, other than it gives newer players more experience, the current grind needs to stay, rather than attacking the people who are saying thier opinion. Because currently it doesn't seem to be working with newbies.
Edited by Dawn_of_Ash, 29 May 2015 - 07:19 PM.
#108
Posted 29 May 2015 - 07:24 PM
He likes feeling superior because he spent hours grinding and doesn't want new players to easily reach the pedestal he's placed himself upon.
Player retention and financial stability be damned!
Edited by Dew, 29 May 2015 - 07:24 PM.
#109
Posted 29 May 2015 - 08:22 PM
Here's something that will silence anybody who thinks the grinding is not a problem:
As you can see, I got 1076 HC. That may sound substantial, but if you look at the full detail of the battle, it isn't.

Now, let's do some math. I got 1076 HC, and two achievements that got me 500 HC. I also won the match, which got me another 30. If you take 530 away from 1076, I would have got 546. If I lost at wave 25, that's how much I would have got, and it's pretty ƒucking hard to win BD. You CAN NOT say that is okay. The private achievement can only be earned once, and those two brawler achievements should have got me HC, but they didn't (they didn't even give me star points for ƒucks sake).
Also, if you notice, the game didn't reward me for play time either, whereas every other gamemode, even co op TDM, does. You know why? Adhesive knew that BD rounds always last between half an hour to an hour, so they decided to flip us off and remove the time bonus. BD only rewards you based on the wave you reached (and if you complete all waves, which rarely happens).
Here's some more math: for every ten minutes of gameplay, you are awarded 120 HC. Times that by four (40 minutes) and you get 480 HC. Add another 60 HC (5 minutes) and you've got 540. Add another three minutes, and you get an estimate of 583.
So, add that to 546 and you get an estimated 1129 HC. Even if that was the base HC, it would still be quite low. What should be done, is that either the HC gain is based on more factors (kills, assists ETC.), or double/triple the default gain. Add 530 to that, and I would have got 1659 HC (if I was awarded for play time), which still wouldn't have been as much as I should have got.
Don't even ƒucking think about mentioning HC boosts (or ANYTHING to do with MC), because that wouldn't give me enough either.
Now, if you still think that the grinding is not a problem, this is all I can say to you:
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Edited by ??ß?ØØƒ??, 29 May 2015 - 08:32 PM.
#110
Posted 29 May 2015 - 09:03 PM
The personal attacks need to stop as well as the trolling. Nothing to see here, move along :)
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