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So I was just checking out a list of free to play games and saw Hawken on this list and that made me happy. I've logged over 400-500 hours or something so I know what's about for the most part. I read the description they gave Hawken and was not impressed.
 

http://www.techradar...ay-today-695473

 

TL;DR = "Expect to pay to upgrade your starter mech if you enjoy the action, but you can jump in and get the flavour of the thing without paying a single penny."

 

That seems like it would turn people away from a free to play when mentioning money twice in the same sentence.


Edited by Wizrad, 27 October 2015 - 04:21 PM.


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That's bordering on slander no? I mean...you don't have to pay to upgrade anything in this game. Making that type of statement makes me think that whomever wrote that article has no idea what they're talking about when it comes to Hawken. 


Edited by Lil Wizzy, 27 October 2015 - 04:29 PM.

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So is there a position on the dev team to hunt down things of this nature and rectify it? I mean what if one site just borrowed the description from another site and changed a few words? It would be like spreading a sickness.

 

I don't know what to do but this would be the best place to air it out.


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So is there a position on the dev team to hunt down things of this nature and rectify it? I mean what if one site just borrowed the description from another site and changed a few words? It would be like spreading a sickness.

 

I don't know what to do but this would be the best place to air it out.

 

Uh no.

 

That's pointless witch hunting and the devs have better things to do than pursue spurious reviews from before they took over the game.

 

For that matter, so do we.


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Uh no.

 

That's pointless witch hunting and the devs have better things to do than pursue spurious reviews from before they took over the game.

 

For that matter, so do we.

Actually I spoke to Tiggs several months ago regarding a misleading Forbes article and she expressed interest in pursuing a level of action.

 

I believe bringing this up in a support ticket may be an appropriate course of action. Sites like that are responsible for providing accurate information and have significant impact on the flow of players through the gaming community at large, and at the very least, it's a worthwhile piece of evidence to confirming the notion that there's an illusion of pay to win that needs to be addressed.

 

Also it's worth noting that the article is from this September, well after Reloaded took over.


Edited by ticklemyiguana, 27 October 2015 - 05:06 PM.

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Actually, most game reviews everywhere is very bad, and mostly not true, because people who write it are stupid, and not understand nothing in game, or even not play game.
It is sad, but true.


Edited by nepacaka, 27 October 2015 - 09:32 PM.

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Actually, [most] [game] reviews [everywhere] is very bad, and mostly not true, because people who write it are stupid, and not understand nothing in game, or even not play [game].
It is sad, but true.

 

 

Edited for accuracy.


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Actually, many hawken reviews in internet is very bad, and mostly not true, because people who write it are stupid, and not understand nothing in game, or even not play in hawken.
It is sad, but true.

#journalism 


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It seems that a huge portion of people who write reviews about Hawken are using information that is ~3 years old.

 

EDIT: does oculous even still work?


Edited by Hyginos, 27 October 2015 - 08:07 PM.

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Left a comment on the article pointing out that the author is retarded.


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It seems that a huge portion of people who write reviews about Hawken are using information that is ~3 years old.

 

maybe, but these reviews still contain info like: "hawken is p2w", and "if compared MWO and Hawken, hawken is sux and just a game in which you can play two days, and return to mechwarrior...", blablabla...

I made topic about this on old-forum, where i copy most bad comments/reviews (and some good) where journalists compared hwk with mwo, and about hawken main problems, with analysys, what gamers whos jump in hawken dislike. for example, most of people hate fred, and some hawken weapons. i suggest swap assault and fred many times ago, because many people love assault and bruiser appearance, or change one mech from A, B, or C. but ADH doesn't care.

 

thus list contain many things, which seems normal for us (hawken fans) but look very bad for most of ordinary players. also, some of points was speed/dodge, and frustating fact that this game not a mech-simulator.

 

people look early game trailers from closed alpha/beta, or look some screenshots in google, and they think: "hell yeah, it is a mech-game of my dream!"
but when they start play in hawken, they very fast understand that this game is very very far from things, which they see in trailer and wanted to play...

this is frustating. because previous devs have removed a huge number of "features" that are created from hawken - Hawken.


Edited by nepacaka, 27 October 2015 - 10:03 PM.

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Many reviewers, even back as far as 2012, have painted Hawken as a game you need to spend money on.  It's not true, but these reviewers are probably making their judgements after playing the game for less than 24 hours.

 

And it may not be entirely their fault.  The game appears, at first glance, like it might be pay to win, especially back in the days when new players got a naked Fred as their starting mech.

 

Internals do matter, for example, and since you don't start with any, it can seem like you're at a disadvantage (the LOADEDASSAULT code has helped with this, but not all players know about it).  As for mechs, you don't actually need anything but an assault, but a new player might not see it that way:

 

"omg that guy has a scout, that fuzzy bunny is OP, i can't afford a scout, that guy probably paid money for his, screw this P2W bs I'm uninstalling").

 

Unfortunately there's really nothing we can do about it.  We do need better advertising for this game, and some fresh reviews - hopefully that will come after we get some new game modes and content.


Edited by Nightfirebolt, 27 October 2015 - 10:39 PM.


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Internals do matter, for example, and since you don't start with any, it can seem like you're at a disadvantage (the LOADEDASSAULT code has helped with this, but not all players know about it).


New accounts start with the mech you get with that code. In fact, that code literally redeems the default mech offer. We also heavily frontload HC at the moment.
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That's bordering on slander no? I mean...you don't have to pay to upgrade anything in this game. Making that type of statement makes me think that whomever wrote that article has no idea what they're talking about when it comes to Hawken. 

 

FYI, slander isn't written communications, its verbal.  Huge difference between slander and libel.


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And it may not be entirely their fault.  The game appears, at first glance, like it might be pay to win, especially back in the days when new players got a naked Fred as their starting mech.

 

as i remeber correct, long time ago mr.Fred start with some unique internal which increased his HP alot.

 

"omg that guy has a scout, that fuzzy bunny is OP, i can't afford a scout, that guy probably paid money for his, screw this P2W bs I'm uninstalling".

 

actually, only super-stupid players use the same logic (they probably never been hawken CA), if you start play in WoT, you never think, "hey those guys have a 10 tier tank, they all donuts, i leave! gg! uninstall!"
every average player understand that you start with one mech, and you need spent some time to gain game money and buy all mech in your hangar.

But " you need to spend money" and "you may to spend money" - it is a very big difference in sense. very big. if people read first variant they think that he should pay to play, in second variant - not. these reviews contain a hidden propaganda (or defamation) and It formed a bad opinion from the very first lines


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G2-Brawler, C-class mech concept: https://community.pl...pacaka-is-here/

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hey dont forget that the people writing these articles are just average people here, and what happenes to them? they get "pub stomped" and say hackers, pay 2 win, all kinda crazy stuff before quitting what makes any article author different? if we only allowed an elite class of author (honest) to review games, it means hawken likely wouldnt see them as they are busy elsewhere (not saying hawkens not up to their elite standards just that population score is low enough

 

ps my point is that  i would preffer you had ignored their comments and the internet has just a little less hate, (not that you hate but others may be filled with hate from reading this) because anyone who matters who saw the comment would have dismissed it aswell. and if any game needs to have a clean reputation for the playerbase its us, its all we have, and dont want to be seen as mad about anything

pspsps sry for not reading everyones post first i notice i made no new points lol. (shamefully leaves)


Edited by MechFighter5e3bf9, 28 October 2015 - 12:21 AM.


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hawken need a new reviews, created by peoples who love mech and not stupid. look in steam short reviews by players, it have 80% of positive reviews.
we need the same on the other internet resourses.


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Interceptor, B-Class mech concept: https://community.pl...itdefence-mech/

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lol wat thrad much qualti


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FYI, slander isn't written communications, its verbal.  Huge difference between slander and libel.

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That's what she said.


To be serious for a moment this is just a joke

 


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That's pointless witch hunting and the devs have better things to do than pursue spurious reviews from before they took over the game.

 

For that matter, so do we.

 

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"omg that guy has a scout, that fuzzy bunny is OP, i can't afford a scout, that guy probably paid money for his, screw this P2W bs I'm uninstalling").
 
Unfortunately there's really nothing we can do about it.  We do need better advertising for this game, and some fresh reviews - hopefully that will come after we get some new game modes and content.


I know this has been suggested before but I think the best solution is to let players pick a mech from the three respective classes; say a Beserker, Assualt, or Brawler as an example. They could demo each one for as long as they want to judge which fits their play style the best but they wouldn't gain any XP until they pick their mech.

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New accounts start with the mech you get with that code. In fact, that code literally redeems the default mech offer. We also heavily frontload HC at the moment.

 

Oh cool, I didn't know that.  That should go a long way to retaining players!

 

I know this has been suggested before but I think the best solution is to let players pick a mech from the three respective classes; say a Beserker, Assualt, or Brawler as an example. They could demo each one for as long as they want to judge which fits their play style the best but they wouldn't gain any XP until they pick their mech.

 

I agree with this. I've suggested it before.

 

Either way, with a loaded assault as as the default mech as opposed to a naked Fred, we're still better off than we were before.

 

 

these reviews contain a hidden propaganda (or defamation) and It formed a bad opinion from the very first lines

 

So you're saying that the techradar reviewer who has included Hawken in his list of best 100 free games has a secret agenda to specifically target and defame our game?

 

Lol. Sorry, but no.


Edited by Nightfirebolt, 29 October 2015 - 10:16 AM.


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No, dude, he is saying that the review was done by a person who obviously has not played more than an hour or two.
Pretty simple stuff here. You like the game, you understand the "grind". If you don't like the game then you should check yourself before you wreck yourself. Big dicks in your ass are bad for your health.

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Since it's an online article, they can write the author and kindly ask to have it re-worded. It's not unheard of and I've had to do something similar for my company. 


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