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We've withstood new mechs, even "major" changes to mechs like ascension with tuning points. In terms of gameplay, we, as players, generally figured it out regardless if we liked the changes or not. I've been following the Hawken Facebook page closely and be noting all the comments the Hawken account makes.

Recently it said that the UI, progression, and mechs have been "significantly altered." UI changes, we've survived (Ascension), mech changes, we'll figure it out. But if the progression returns to a vertical progression path, that would seem to drive the remaining pc community away, I would think, after we advocated so hard against it with ADH, RLD would certainly get a ton of fuzzy bunny if vertical progression were to return. I expect major changes. I might not like them. But vertical progression will definitely start to push me away more than changes to mechs and UI.


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Silver, it may help to give a definition of what you mean by (and many of us understand as) 'vertical progression'.

 

It's probably already too late tho, whatever the UI and player metadata progression is is probably implemented already.


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Except we're not the ones enduring these changes this time.

 

This time it is a whole new audience who has no idea about Hawken, how it plays, balance, or anything like that. So while we can sort through the nonsense, figure out what works and what doesn't, then discuss (argue) about it here while providing numerous examples to back up our points.

 

Anyone think the console community is gonna do that? 

 

I sure as hell don't.

 

Hate to say it but unless they got these changes and balance right I don't see Hawken taking off in today's market. There's already other F2P titles on Xbox One and PS4, not to mention the free games owners get with Games with Gold and Playstation Plus. And this is before we get into the fact that titles like Overwatch have taken off on consoles and other major shooters are coming this year with a ton of hype behind them and built in followings. How is Hawken gonna stay on top or even in the minds of console owners when games like Titanfall 2, Battlefield 1, and so forth start arriving? 

 

My faith that this is gonna work out has dwindled to nothing. Why else would Reloaded keep all these changes from us and not answer our questions? They know we're gonna hate it and pretty much turn on the game at that point, their last bastion of fans will be gone.


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In my opinion, there are only two things that matter: consistency and enjoyment. If the changes make the game more fun and fits within the game's own rules I welcome it.

 

Vertical progression makes sense consistency wise, it fits within the theme of a new player being a new recruit and working his way up the ranks, gaining acces to better mechs and improvements. However, this is not so true for enjoyment. Grinding a vertical progression tree isn't fun as a concept, but if they make it fun, well, it'll only add to the game. If they don't: bye bye player retention.

 

However, I'd also like to add that current Hawken, and Hawken players, are breaking these two 'rules'. Smurfing is a prime example: it's not consistent within the game rules or theme and it's not fun. 

 

I guess that what I'm saying is that, as long as 'new' Hawken has less problems than it currently has, stays fun and obeys it's own rules, we're doing good.

 

Now to wait for the update.


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Nothing had been done exceptionally well before reloaded started making moves.
They can't do any worse than was previously done.

The last thing adh should have done is let the previous crop of bads influence their patch decisions.

The less attention they pay to the suck ups who thrive on such attention and try to pass it off as status, which was the chief disease that afflicted the previous forum community, the better and healthier this things potential for longevity is.

Some one get a cpap machine repair tech over to kejis place already.
Between the devs ignoring him and the weight of his sinuses, I fear he may have a full blown meltdown.

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Some one get a cpap machine repair tech over to kejis place already.
Between the devs ignoring him and the weight of his sinuses, I fear he may have a full blown meltdown.

Relax and enjoy the show

 

Talk about toxic influences in the community while insulting other users.

 

Well done as always Crafty, glad to see you're just as full of yourself as ever.

 

Edit: If I cared about status or anything like that then why is post count so low and why haven't I been around all that much these past months? Cause Hawken hasn't been fun and I don't really care. Now there are answers to questions we've had for months and months yet we're not getting answers.

 

I've done the whole being patient game and now it's time to get the answers. There's no reason at all we don't have the same information that was available at E3 here on the official Hawken site. 

 

If you think that is asking too much of the development team then perhaps you need to rethink who is sucking up to who here. I'm asking the team to be accountable for the changes and keep us up to date while you're excusing this behavior and acting like people have no reason to be upset or annoyed by what is going on.

 

Then again when your ego is as large as your's I do understand the difficulty in self reflection.


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Don't lose your mind over this stuff. Nothing's changed yet.

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They can't do any worse than was previously done.

 

Don't jinx it.

 

To be clear here, I think Silverfire is talking specifically about vertical progression, not just progression. This is the kind of progression that makes a level 30 player numerically more powerful/better equipped than a level 1 player. As far as I'm concerned player level should be infinite but largely meaningless, but if core game features are locked behind a steep grind, that is a problem.

 

Keji, you might be teetering on taking CraftyDus more seriously than CraftyDus takes himself. Dangerous territory, that is.


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i cant it i have to mute all my friends and tell my isp to only let me play hawken and nothing else but still i am worried i wont enjoy the new game as much as before specialy since my drugs dont work near as well as back when



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Don't lose your mind over this stuff. Nothing's changed yet.

 

Who said anything about losing their mind? 

 

I just want to know what is going on with this new build and the numerous changes they've not only announced but we've seen in gameplay videos uploaded to Youtube thanks to those who stopped by to try the game out. I see on Facebook they are talking about a Windows 10 version of Hawken but aren't saying if that means if Hawken makes a comeback on PC if it'll be a Windows 10 exclusive or not. I see them updating Twitter every now and then, I see Tiggs answering questions on the Steam forums (which is how we learned there currently are no plans to wipe accounts but again the PC version isn't getting updated so we'll see what happens).

 

It's not unreasonable for us to want to know what is going on with a game we've been playing for years and have been rather involved with.

 

There's nothing wrong with wanting clarification, especially when the information that leads to clarification is out there.


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Talk about toxic influences in the community while insulting other users.

 

Well done as always Crafty, glad to see you're just as full of yourself as ever.

 

Edit: If I cared about status or anything like that then why is post count so low and why haven't I been around all that much these past months? Cause Hawken hasn't been fun and I don't really care. Now there are answers to questions we've had for months and months yet we're not getting answers.

 

I've done the whole being patient game and now it's time to get the answers. There's no reason at all we don't have the same information that was available at E3 here on the official Hawken site. 

 

If you think that is asking too much of the development team then perhaps you need to rethink who is sucking up to who here. I'm asking the team to be accountable for the changes and keep us up to date while you're excusing this behavior and acting like people have no reason to be upset or annoyed by what is going on.

 

Then again when your ego is as large as your's I do understand the difficulty in self reflection.

 

 

Jesus Christ on a Cracker, Dude. 

 

What part of NDA do you really not get?  Why the hell do you feel so ENTITLED?

 

I agree with Crafty.  'Status', pfft.  Am I full of myself?  If there are three of us voting, two agree: you must be wrong if not voting with the majority. 

 

If Crafty's full of himself, you're full of bitterness over something NO ONE has entitled you to.  And, I mean entitlement such as  "Title IX of the Education Act Amendment of 1972"  is a title.


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Now there are answers to questions we've had for months and months yet we're not getting answers.

 

now it's time to get the answers. There's no reason at all we don't have the same information that was available at E3 here on the official Hawken site. 

 

I'm asking the team to be accountable for the changes and keep us up to date 

 

 

This 

 

 

I just want to know what is going on with this new build and the numerous changes they've not only announced but we've seen in gameplay videos uploaded to Youtube thanks to those who stopped by to try the game out. I see on Facebook they are talking about a Windows 10 version of Hawken but aren't saying if that means if Hawken makes a comeback on PC if it'll be a Windows 10 exclusive or not. I see them updating Twitter every now and then, I see Tiggs answering questions on the Steam forums (which is how we learned there currently are no plans to wipe accounts but again the PC version isn't getting updated so we'll see what happens).

 

It's not unreasonable for us to want to know what is going on with a game we've been playing for years and have been rather involved with.

 

There's nothing wrong with wanting clarification, especially when the information that leads to clarification is out there.

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The corrosive qualities of vertical progression and the greater f2p model aside, if these people think they can make hawken have a further impact on gaming's regards several years down the road, have at it.

I say calm your collective mantitties and let them try to make some money on this thing.

At the least it will give the gamers something more to discuss when the saga of hawken is the subject of the moment.

At the most it will give an entire new audience the opportunity to be bad at hawken.

And if you've already lost your relevance and stopped playing, nothing of value is at stake. Nobody is threatening to take anything that belongs to you, especially if you have abandoned it already.

If you like hawken, play hawken. Right now, as it is.
If you don't like hawken, just wait. It might change.

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Jesus Christ on a Cracker, Dude. 

 

What part of NDA do you really not get?  Why the hell do you feel so ENTITLED?

 

I agree with Crafty.  'Status', pfft.  Am I full of myself?  If there are three of us voting, two agree: you must be wrong if not voting with the majority. 

 

If Crafty's full of himself, you're full of bitterness over something NO ONE has entitled you to.  And, I mean entitlement such as  "Title IX of the Education Act Amendment of 1972"  is a title.

 

Holy fuzzy bunny man!

 

What part of Hawken was on full display at E3 and this information was all right there readily available for anyone to walk up to?

 

Again there is nothing wrong with wanting answers that are out there. Or did you miss the gameplay videos people recorded and posted to Youtube with people sitting there telling them about the game, how it plays, and explaining things to them? Cause I'm seeing that and wondering why we're not hearing any of this information and why it wasn't included in the update.

 

There comes a point when patience runs out and this is it. Yea I'm bitter, spent the last year hearing great things were coming for us and Hawken only to find out things were happening with a console version of Hawken that doesn't include the PC version currently and in all likelihood will require an upgrade to Windows 10 to keep playing.

 

Instead we're told how important the console versions are and that if this are successful enough we'll see the update come to PC.

 

After a year of sitting in the dark about what is going on and knowing Hawken was on full display all week at E3 I'm ready (and I'm not alone with this, actually read the forums) to hear all the news instead of trying to piece it together from Youtube videos, trailers, Twitter and Facebook posts, and other things like that.

 

There's no reason we don't have a full update about what changes are coming to Hawken and what we should expect as the PC community.



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Keji,

 

DX9 was old when Hawken was released 4 years ago.  Win7 was old when Hawken was public, 4 years ago.

 

DX11.x/12 is 'now'.  Why would you expect that old, deprecated OSes would continue to be supported?  Why would you feel so entitled to receive news that your (old) OS would be supported?

 

I 'get' that you don't like Win10.  You have options: run it jailed on a VM, etc.  It's not like MS is charging a lot for it... 


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Well even though I think Keji is ranting a little too hard about some of this stuff, I'd rather read his rants than suffer the astro-turfing of that jsfeliciano-fake-hawken-player writing "hey fellow hawken bads, look at how great the windows 10 store is!"


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...DX11.x/12 is 'now'.  Why would you expect that old, deprecated OSes would continue to be supported?  Why would you feel so entitled to receive news that your (old) OS would be supported?

 

 

Per https://www.netmarke...=10&qpcustomd=0

i.e., market share of operating systems, May 2016

 

Win7 = 48%

Win10 = 17%

WinXP = 10%

 

Doesn't make financial sense to lop off 48% of your potential market.

 

Of course 'common sense', 'end-user satisfaction', and 'Microsoft' are rarely used in the same sentence in a positive manner. Har.



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Per https://www.netmarke...=10&qpcustomd=0

i.e., market share of operating systems, May 2016

 

Win7 = 48%

Win10 = 17%

WinXP = 10%

 

Doesn't make financial sense to lop off 48% of your potential market.

 

Of course 'common sense', 'end-user satisfaction', and 'Microsoft' are rarely used in the same sentence in a positive manner. Har.

 

 

Microsoft seems committed to shifting that 48% to win10.  Midnight upgrades on your (sleeping) PC, and all....

 

I'd bet with MS on the Don't Come line.


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Well even though I think Keji is ranting a little too hard about some of this stuff, I'd rather read his rants than suffer the astro-turfing of that jsfeliciano-fake-hawken-player writing "hey fellow hawken bads, look at how great the windows 10 store is!"

 

 

Yeah.  We know Keji.  You can't do that fuzzy bunny to our Keji, only WE can do that fuzzy bunny to our Keji...


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Still annoying how things like this official reply:

 

"Hawken Actually - the PC version will also get a whole new version based on the same code base as the console version. It will come shortly after the console launch. So yes - PC side will get much love too (you can right now try a version at the Microsoft Win 10 booth - which is close but not exactly the upcoming PC version)."

 

are only found on the Facebook page and not here.

 

Wonder if the lawn cultivation is happening elsewhere, too.

 

 

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Still annoying how things like this official reply:

 

"Hawken Actually - the PC version will also get a whole new version based on the same code base as the console version. It will come shortly after the console launch. So yes - PC side will get much love too (you can right now try a version at the Microsoft Win 10 booth - which is close but not exactly the upcoming PC version)."

 

are only found on the Facebook page and not here.

 

Wonder if the lawn cultivation is happening elsewhere, too.

 

 

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Funny how RLD is active on social media, Facebook, replying to people's comments on FB, Twitter, Reddit, commenting on random posts on Reddit, Steam forums even, all about Hawken everywhere other than the official fuzzing forums.


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Yeah, I'm old and don't Facebook.

 

Actually, of the Big 5, they're (Facebook) the one I most avoid, then Apple.  MS & Amazon are on a par much elevated over Apple, then Google somehow seems to have the most knowledge about me.


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Funny how RLD is active on social media, Facebook, replying to people's comments on FB, Twitter, Reddit, commenting on random posts on Reddit, Steam forums even, all about Hawken everywhere other than the official fuzzing forums.

 

Silver, yes, I see the pattern, too.  I would guess they're not wild about the reaction they've gotten here.

 

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Silver, yes, I see the pattern, too.  I would guess they're not wild about the reaction they've gotten here.

 

Well to be fair they only bought the game, the community came with it whether they wanted it or not. The only investment they have in Hawken is financial, unlike ADH.



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Funny how RLD is active on social media, Facebook, replying to people's comments on FB, Twitter, Reddit, commenting on random posts on Reddit, Steam forums even, all about Hawken everywhere other than the official fuzzing forums.


Not even the actual sub either. Looks like they want to avoid the current community at all costs.

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Not even the actual sub either. Looks like they want to avoid the current community at all costs.

Seems this was the real intent from the start ?


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chaos, and its all the communities fault!


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