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As of right now, the top 10 players with their MMR publicly listed have well over 10 million HC in combined wealth from liquid HC and other assets. This is equivalent to thousands of new players who downloaded the game only to be turned off by the incredibly obvious income inequality that becomes apparent within a few matches. Additionally, a good portion of the top-10 global elite individually have significantly over 10 million XP between all their accounts—the total between them all is conservatively equal to the combined XP of approximately 100,000 of the poorest pilots in the game. Should some of us have over 30 or even 40 fully-equipped mechs with vast amounts of HC left over plus every class at max rank while others struggle to even outfit the one mech they're given for free with new items and internals, much less alternate weapons?

 

Just look at this disgusting graph representing the stark contrast between the top and bottom players

 

 

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I propose a radical wealth redistribution program involving a 50% tax on all HC earned above 200,000 in combined assets and a 75% tax on all new XP over 1m. This will allow redistribution programs to be created that would serve the neediest players in Hawken and provide a better and more equal gameplay experience for all.  


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I second the motion.

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If Clinton wins, that'll be hilarious.



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why are you derailing this thread with politics


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444 players have zero mechs?


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444 players have zero mechs?

Maybe they gave up on hawken before they got their CRT mech.


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Now hold on there.  I'd like to remind everyone that the top 1% support and CREATE JOBS for the other 99%. 


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Yeah well let's democratize TPG and remove it from the hands of oligarchic tyrants then
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Everyone within TPG has pulled themselves up by their own bootstraps and earned their position.  It'll be a sad day when our great game rewards people for their lack of effort.


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At this point I would support anything that could stave off the coming second Dark Age and get more players online.


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We need:

 

Mech lending - receive a small cut of HC earned from each game played with mech.

HC lending - receive a small cut of HC earned from each game played. Part of the HC earned will repay principle, and the rest will count as interest.

 

 

This is only fair. Help you fellow noobs buy a new mech today. 


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This topic reeks of socialism.

 

I love it.


To be serious for a moment this is just a joke

 


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I am Omni Nept, and I'm here to ask you a question.  Is a pilot not entitled to the sweat of his brow?  "No," says the man in Prosk, "it belongs to the poor."  "No," says the man in Uptown, "it belongs to God."  "No," says the man in Origin, "it belongs to everyone."  I rejected those answers; instead, I chose something different.  I chose the impossible.  I chose . . . TPG.  A league where the pro would not fear the hackusation; where the elite would not be bound by petty morality; where the great would not be constrained by the small!  And with the sweat of your brow, TPG can become your league as well.


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Where's donald to suggest building an mmr wall to keep the skrubs out


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increased taxation? you proles are merely biting the hand that feeds; how quick you are to forget the recent economic stimulus that was "LOADEDASSAULT". where do you think those assaults came from?

 

WHO DO YOU THINK MADE YOU WHO YOU ARE?


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increased taxation? you proles are merely biting the hand that feeds; how quick you are to forget the recent economic stimulus that was "LOADEDASSAULT". where do you think those assaults came from?

 

WHO DO YOU THINK MADE YOU WHO YOU ARE?

 


Everyone within TPG has pulled themselves up by their own bootstraps and earned their position.  

 

THE LORD OF THE SCRUBS


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I think we should build A WALL around Hawken and MAKE Call of Duty pay for it!


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we need to increase the minimum wages then


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444 players have zero mechs?

 

...Or forgot the emails/passwords before using them.  Sort of proto-smurfs, maybe, waiting in some sort of Schrodinger limbo-state until some lucky password forces them to coalesce quietly in a garage.

 

Will it be a Sentium Garage or a Prosk one?

 

 

Edit:  I have one I'll never use, just to be sure no one else would ever use it ("LunaPanda").


Edited by Lunatic, 03 February 2016 - 06:28 PM.

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Edit:  I have one I'll never use, just to be sure no one else would ever use it ("LunaPanda").

 

I fuzzy bunnyNG KNEW IT

 

I fuzzy bunnyNG GODDAMN KNEW IT

 

WHO DID I BET WITH

 

WHO OWES ME TWENTY BUCKS


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^ I think you gave me the idea.


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One time I tried to take the names of everyone who had changed their name.

 

heh. hehhhhhhhh.


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All the jokes aside (in before THESE ARE NOT JOKES), there is a sizeable number of players with more than enough HC to fully equip several mechs.

If Reloaded releases a mech or any other content that the current playerbase can get with HC, how will Reloaded know that a product is successful? The HC price can be miles off and most of the current playerbase will still get it just to spend their millions of HC onto something, with only a few players throwing in MC purchases. I don't fully understand how the game is said to be in a sustainable state.

I personally think that the current HC gain is high (at least compared to almost any other f2p game) and purchasing a HC boost does not bring the oomph-effect to it, whereas in ingame currency deflated games having a boost is comparable to really good sneezes.
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Look, the lower class doesn't deserve for rekt. It's time we gave a break to those who mmr made for not enjoy the game


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All the jokes aside (in before THESE ARE NOT JOKES), there is a sizeable number of players with more than enough HC to fully equip several mechs.

If Reloaded releases a mech or any other content that the current playerbase can get with HC, how will Reloaded know that a product is successful? The HC price can be miles off and most of the current playerbase will still get it just to spend their millions of HC onto something, with only a few players throwing in MC purchases. I don't fully understand how the game is said to be in a sustainable state.

I personally think that the current HC gain is high (at least compared to almost any other f2p game) and purchasing a HC boost does not bring the oomph-effect to it, whereas in ingame currency deflated games having a boost is comparable to really good sneezes.

 

It is balanced in the context of someone who is just starting and grinding to that mech/item/internal.


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...Or forgot the emails/passwords before using them.  Sort of proto-smurfs, maybe, waiting in some sort of Schrodinger limbo-state until some lucky password forces them to coalesce quietly in a garage.

 

Will it be a Sentium Garage or a Prosk one?

 

 

Edit:  I have one I'll never use, just to be sure no one else would ever use it ("LunaPanda").

 

When I first made "Ginoshy" it had no mechs at all. Even after completing the tutorial I only had access to 3 test drives, though I was still able to launch and play matches.

 

Unfortunately I made the mistake of informing Ash of this bug and lost what would have been a fantastic novelty account (despite my pleading he activated a loaded assault on my behalf), but it seems that it possibly isn't an isolated incident. I'm curious to see how an account with no mechs behaves on the heroku app.


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And why should those godamn hippie ludites who only play bots tdm get compersated!!?? Back in my day, the only way to earn in this game was to play against OTHER FUZZING PEOPLE.

UPHILL BOTH WAYS, IN THE SNOW WITH NO SHOES ON

I like going against the best of any game I play. Helps you in the long run n motivates u to do more. Always room for improvement not failure

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czerofive-Today at 2:22 AM > got banned from playing lazertag - I used a knife to conserve ammo

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Look, the lower class doesn't deserve for rekt. It's time we gave a break to those who mmr made for not enjoy the game

 

Current aid and stimulus programs are over-funded and abused by participants. I propose mandatory drug screening for community and TPG events to ensure MMR goes to people that actually need it.


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Pubstomping is a whole different strategic discussion, however, and usually just becomes an exploration of the ethics of dumpstering randos.

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I legit think the Mech-Token system would be brilliant for fixing this. Start players out with 3 tokens, let them get their mecharinos, and then charge the 9923 HC for more tokens, and allow for an opt-in for long-term players to donate HC to the newer players.


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Current aid and stimulus programs are over-funded and abused by participants. I propose mandatory drug screening for community and TPG events to ensure MMR goes to people that actually need it.

 

Your hypocrisy won't slip past me, politician! I know about your involvement with the THC superpac


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[14:31] <Crafty> I know that in my balls
[14:32] <Crafty> hawken is unlike anything Ive played

 

 


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Your hypocrisy won't slip past me, politician! I know about your involvement with the THC superpac

 

TDM calling literally any other clan a superpac

 

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As a member of the communistic countries that all Northern European countries are part of, I say we take away the HC, MC and every customisable choice, and give every player 1-2 mechs, with the rest of their mechs being pushed around and given to those who have worked for proud Father Reloaded. All your HC and MC will automatically go to Reloaded to fund further resources that will be given to every comrade of Kapitan Josh.
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i was lurking here for a bit and all i have to say is

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Current aid and stimulus programs are over-funded and abused by participants. I propose mandatory drug screening for community and TPG events to ensure MMR goes to people that actually need it.

 

eth0...I didn't know you lived in Flor-E-Da and voted for Rick Scott  :tongue:

 

I do wish there was a donation button of sorts that I could use to transfer overflow XP or HC to a player or players of my choosing that I think might help them stay since I have plenty of those unused amounts sitting in my account.


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Just Relax....and take life one game at a time....

Don't run to your death....walk

 

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This is why I keep my wealth in off shore Meteor Credits, that way they can't be touched.


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