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... get some players together who recieve the power to temporarily ban players (no permanent bans). Basically the same as a mod team for forums, we shall have a team consisting of players who do the job of banning cheaters and the like. 

 

Devs do not have to spend resources and the players have their joy. If abused for unreasonable ban the person will obviously have no way to get back to this power. 

 

Easy?


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It sounds OK but it may be the admit there are cheaters in the game and when the mod' names will be known, cheaters will simply avoid them.



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this requires oversight by the devs and constant checking up on bans

 

something the devs I don't think have either the resources nor the desire nor the care to do so


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Giving community members ban powers is an absolutely terrible idea.


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As silverfire said, even if players did act as mods, the devs would end up having to review the decisions so the mod powers werent abused, which obviously defeats the purpose :/
  

What if we just give some bacon paint, some bacon holo-emotes and change Bunker from snow to bacon.

 

This way, everyone will be happy.

What you should really do, is replace your parts with bacon, so you can cook games and eat bacon

Obviously the wallpaper would be cooler if bacon was incorporated into it.

 


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Remember last time players in this community got powers? Remember that crapstorm? I kinda don`t want that to happen again.


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Shut down the game and move to Consoles.  Oh wait, ....


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This is what private servers are for.

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No regular player should have such abilities, I don't care who they are. Too much room for personal biases.

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And who do we give these powers to? High MMR players? Would ~2350 be high enough? Sounds about right, yeah?
 
Or maybe not. We'd get false positives, such as this one. Rev-Gren banned for aimbotting.
 

 

I know this sounds rubbish, but almost all of us learned how to take the hard knocks to learn how to get better at the game. if your technique isn't good enough, you have to adapt. The predator is phenomenally good at shutting down light targets, your mech choice was solid, It's just the wealth of experience that i have that beat you.


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Maybe it's the view of playing this game for 200 hours in a Zerk (while "having seen it all", of course), but when it comes down to the hackusations I see here, nothing there speaks to me about "a wealth of experience".
In case you still think he's hacking though, here's the uncut gameplay vid:
 
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I wonder if those other three hackers you "caught" were also legitimate players, too.

 


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... get some players together who recieve the power to temporarily ban players (no permanent bans). Basically the same as a mod team for forums, we shall have a team consisting of players who do the job of banning cheaters and the like. 

 

Devs do not have to spend resources and the players have their joy. If abused for unreasonable ban the person will obviously have no way to get back to this power. 

 

Easy?

 

Remind me, how many hackusations have you made.



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If any of us in the community could temp ban people there wouldn't be a community within the week lol

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I nominate Harmless_Kittens.


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Giving community members ban powers is an absolutely terrible idea.

it doesn't sound awful, provided careful selection and oversight.



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Kick vote may be enough.


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I nominate Harmless_Kittens.

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Anxico is absolutely right, I made a snap judgement on both CraftyDos and Anxico himself and I got it wrong both times. I record almost all of my games and I thought I found something both times, and not recognising the pilot name in either instance led me to a rash insinuation in both cases. After looking over the videos I realised there was nothing incriminating, so in this case I wouldn't have banned anyone. But Anxico raises and excellent point, if I would've let my emotions run riot with either player I didn't recognise, I could've easily have banned from what I could tell was a legitimate pilot in both cases.

On this note I am very sorry for saying what I said, I usually don't get these things wrong, but I can obviously never be 100% accurate as these examples show.

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The issue with cheaters in hawken is that it's too easy to create a new account, so even "ban" is not relevant.

But it doesn't mean that a video + zendesk ticket is useless.

 

BTW if they don't change the account creation process a "vote kick" would be a solution, and obviously with a MM not taking you back to the server you've just being kicked off.


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The issue with cheaters in hawken is that it's too easy to create a new account, so even "ban" is not relevant.

But it doesn't mean that a video + zendesk ticket is useless.

 

BTW if they don't change the account creation process a "vote kick" would be a solution, and obviously with a MM not taking you back to the server you've just being kicked off.

 

This speaks to an issue with the speed of banning, not the mechanics. If reloaded is able to review footage more quickly than a vote kick is superfluous. Not to mention the implications of a vote kick (ABUSE!)


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This speaks to an issue with the speed of banning, not the mechanics. If reloaded is able to review footage more quickly than a vote kick is superfluous. Not to mention the implications of a vote kick (ABUSE!)

 

the speed of banning people seems to be not that bad (compared to other games), unless you have dedicated anti-cheat system.

 

About votekick abuse, if you need more than half players in the lobby to kick people I don't think there will be abuse and do you really want to stay in a server where half pple want you to quit ?


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... get some players together who recieve the power to temporarily ban players (no permanent bans). Basically the same as a mod team for forums, we shall have a team consisting of players who do the job of banning cheaters and the like. 

 

Devs do not have to spend resources and the players have their joy. If abused for unreasonable ban the person will obviously have no way to get back to this power. 

 

Easy?

 

Nope.  If Hawken used a more traditional community run server base, I wouldn't have a problem with this, but no player should be able to single-handedly banish another player from Reloaded's server infrastructure.


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hmm many years ago msn gaming zone had a "member plus" system where you apply, get interviewed and if lucky are given a "token" giving you a + before your name making you a moderator essentialy, some mods can ban forever and some temporarily and the report system for abusive m+ worked great and swiftly, they eventualy shut the system down but then it was needed to combat us chaotic nerds.

one of them named Haze (in leet speak) tried to tell me he had member plus powers that hes a hacker elite so he ended up entering his alt m+ nick in the lobby and banned me the exact split second so i didnt see his m+ nick but i did, so i reported that nick and 1 week later he was gone apparently he had a history


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Concerning the ease of creating new accounts, there are many things that can be done which BOTH:

A. Make creating alternate accounts more effort than it is worth for players who have been playing a while.

and

B. Improve the entire experience of learning the game for actual new players.

 

This can be done by the following:

 

1. Beef up the Training.  Make it longer, more comprehensive and MANDATORY (without the existing glitch that lets you bypass it)

 

2. Required, guided tutorial bot matches for all game modes, especially Siege and Missile Assault.  Make players complete a full, prompted set of tasks and objectives and WIN the bot tutorial of every game mode... before they can play the same mode online.

 

3. Quicker recognition and advancement within the MMR system.  If a player is new and seems to be coming out on top of the podium more than a regular amount, give the player a quick bump up to a much higher MMR and put them in matches with higher ranked players right away.  If they truly are a new player, that could then quickly be recognized and their MMR could be gradually lowered back until their performance actually makes sense.


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