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1. A smurf account is more likely to encounter new players than a main account. (Assuming that the main account has an MMR higher than the starting value)

2. A smurf account (for a time) does not represent the users actual MMR. (Unless their real MMR is 1250)

3. The underdog bonus has an impact on MMR of non smurfs in team games as well as having an impact on the outcome of a deathmatch.

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This is really boring.  


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Have not played anything other than merl61 or mal3fic in the last 5 months (both level 30, both at high MMR). Other than 3.5 hrs where I played a fresh account on stream with handicaps.

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Have not played anything other than merl61 or mal3fic in the last 5 months (both level 30, both at high MMR). Other than 3.5 hrs where I played a fresh account on stream with handicaps.

 

And how did you get them up to the MMR they are at? Did you magically create them at 2400 mmr?


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3 facts about hawkens playerbase:

 

1. if they know what mmr is, they know the impact of a smurf

 

2. if they don't know what mmr is, they still can easily understand the impact of a smurf

 

3. and anyone who dosn't know the impact of a smurf simply couldn't give a damn


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And how did you get them up to the MMR they are at? Did you magically create them at 2400 mmr?

Merl61 was my first account. So not even a smurf. Mal3fic was right around 2000 when I purchased it. Withen a week it was pushing 2500. Are we done with the ad hominem?

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Hyginos' comment doesn't constitute ad hominem.  Although it could be mistaken for a tu quoque fallacy - which, to be fair, is a special case of ad hominem - it's actually an argument condemning double standards.  As per wikipedia, "It [tu quoque] is distinct from an argument condemning double standards, which argues against an opponent's moral standing to demand better conduct from others when guilty of similar misconduct themselves, without suggesting that the logic of their argument is compromised by that misconduct."

 

As for my smurfs, I made OmniOrias this morning, played for 3.5 hours, and hit 2100 mmr. OmniOuranos has almost identical stats.  And OmniNept was an old account whose original purpose was name reservation, and which I used when my main was locked out of servers.

 

*Edit* In plain English, Hyginos didn't claim that your premises and their conclusion were unsound (fallacious).  He just said that you're a hypocrite.


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Merl61 was my first account. So not even a smurf. Mal3fic was right around 2000 when I purchased it. Withen a week it was pushing 2500. Are we done with the ad hominem?

Back to the point - you've leveled up and played on numerous smurfs (individually, significantly more than the majority of players in this game).  Yet, earlier today, you were complaining about smurfs and ragequit a match because of them.  

 

Seems like a bit of hypocrisy, no?  Do you really believe that you have a right to complain?  


Edited by Xacius, 21 October 2015 - 08:41 PM.


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Wait. Why are we even talking about this.

 

That's a real question.

 

Second, I LOVE EVERYONE IN THIS THREAD SHUT YOUR STUPID FACES.


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HERE WE GO AGAAAAAAIN

 

tree fax abut smurt:

 

1.  be the winner

 

2.  everyone sucks but you

 

3.  enjoy ur stump


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Smurf Problem in game more complex. I think early when we have skill-tree, or tuning it help against smurf, cuz you change your fully equipped mechs on your account to low-lvl mech. It's like play in wot on tier8-10 tanks, than create new acc and... Nothing happens, cuz now you need spend alot of time to gain high-tier again, and you start with 1lvl tank without any equipment.

In hawken you start with the OP mech. I think some small element like skill-tree can help. It not increase player advantage very high, but you lose it when you create new acc.

Kompotka 3000. 2D ha?ken game: https://community.pl...ve/?hl=kompotka

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I dislike this underdog bonus to score and MMR of new account should rise faster (not using the underdog bonus to score as a mean to increase the MMR faster).


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I dislike this underdog bonus to score and MMR of new account should rise faster (not using the underdog bonus to score as a mean to increase the MMR faster).

I don't really like the underdog bonus, either, but thinking about it, I don't mind if new players get bonus XP for taking out players who are a higher level than themselves... just don't show that additional bonus on the scoreboard. It has a tendency to make new players think they did better than they did, and smurfs look more insane than they already are.


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To be fair, I don't think smurf accounts made before or during the time period where you actually needed one to play the game (i.e. when quickmatch could still come back with no servers found) really should be held against anyone over 2500 MMR.

 

The difference is you currently don't need a smurf to play the game regardless of your MMR, yet people still make fresh ones that aren't anywhere near their actual MMR.


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This is really boring.  

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Don't care if I get smashed by a HighTier or one of his smurfs. I need to get better to beat him either way. 


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This thread is completely pointless. Like, completely and totally. It has less substance than the sandwich one did.


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LOL should have know Mr. Boring.

I mean, I knew you are cancerous as any smurfer here but goddamn you take this smurf s_hit to a hole new level.

 

Keep killing Hawken plz. :3


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Even when i encounter smurfs in game, i typically don't have an issue if they can play nice, to paraphrase hyginos from another thread, smurfing isn't an issue, stomping is, smurfing is fine, be it with handicaps, or not playing seriously, what have you, but, stomping while smurfing is not cool, only serves to stoke an ego,


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LOL should have know Mr. Boring.

I mean, I knew you are cancerous as any smurfer here but goddamn you take this smurf s_hit to a hole new level.

 

Keep killing Hawken plz. :3

I have 21.

 

Edit: counted wrong. past 10 is hard.


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I dislike this underdog bonus to score and MMR of new account should rise faster (not using the underdog bonus to score as a mean to increase the MMR faster).

Yes, please.

An account that's MVPing in a match should be given +150 MMR if it's below lvl15 IMO.  This would help to put the skilled new players in the right place. And the underdog bonus in it's current form  is distorting the score/performance relation of the lobby.


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1. Make a smurf auto detection tool

2. Paint the smurfs bright blue, make them appear on radar constantly as a blue blip

3. Have awarded an achievement for killing 150 smurfs and awarded unique 5MURF-thrusters as a reward


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I smurf with handicaps, plenty of yolodiving, and general all around fuzzy bunnyery.  They're fun, and stomping isn't.  Stomping is boring.  If I wanted target practice I'd sit in bots all day.

 

So I am Hawken cancer for desiring anonymity in-game, cool and/or hilarious callsigns, and entertainment (not by stomping) through the use of a smurf.  And make that cancer times 12. At least.


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LOL should have know Mr. Boring.

I mean, I knew you are cancerous as any smurfer here but goddamn you take this smurf s_hit to a hole new level.

 

Keep killing Hawken plz. :3

Yeah that's not me. Don't know why Nept the all knowing put that one on there even though he was in a game where we were both there, and he knows who boring really is. 


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Why can't we all just be happy friends?
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Why can't we all just be happy friends?

Computer games are important.


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Let me state something about this smurf ThisIsRealBoring:

1. He don't understand humor.

2. He ragequits.

3. He sticks with assault and is orb lording.

4. He is American.

 

To explain point one: I met the guy some days ago, destroying balance on pubs with his assault. So after a while Yobot and I started talking with him, that he makes his name all honour and I joked about him (however not too rough) and he got mad thinking we were some pussies at EU complaining about a 2800 mmr player smurfing. Then he quit. He may be a good pilot but is also thin-skinned which is kind of strange for an American Hawken player. :smile:



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That ThisIsReallyBoring US smurf assault has the same internals/ items as assault of that top mmr guy.

 

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1.

smurf starts to play with 1250-1500 MMR

 

2.

some of novices where are constant to play with smurfs above 2000-2200+ are more likely to stop playing

know 5 friends where i invited them to this game stop playing after these

 

3.

most of smurfs players are big double headed hypocrites


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That ThisIsReallyBoring US smurf assault has the same internals/ items as assault of that top mmr guy.


Interesting.

It also matches another one of xacius smurfs:
http://hawken.heroku...88-17b4d66d7e94


Also note that his very first reply to the thread was this:

This is really boring.


Seems way to much to just be a coincidence. I think he was hinting at it.

What I don't understand is how Nept could possibly confuse Xacius with Merl and accuse Merl of smurfing using that account. Thats gotta be the funniest part.

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Well actually, it was easy to predict.

Since that 3000mmr forum thread was made and someone mentioned EU had great pilots

that can match the best ones of the US region, I guess they had to check it out to keep things in order.

The thing is, most of those EU pilots play rarely or not at all.

 

It is great that someone is awesome at this game and wants for everyone to know about it,

but please don't ruin the matches of us mediocre players. We get it.

Public matches are already shitty a and the last thing those need is top dog smurfing into them.


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I don't 100% agree in the sense I like a chance to play against Xacius given the ping to US is horrendous, playing against people we don't usually play against is refreshing tbh.

 

Smurfs not having high MMR yet does fuzzy bunny up balance though. I'll like it even more when smurf MMR catches up to what it's supposed to be and games are not one-sided due to it.


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