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Hello Reloaded Team,

 

i really have enough from your balancing system, you either shut the game down or make the balancing system working, because the whole eu community is just, well i don't want to say those words, fill it with what you like.

 

1. a match never starts before both sides have the same amount of member and this means CONNECTED not "pilot connecting"

 

2. if the difference still grows in all game modes like TDM more then 10 kills or MA 400 points or Siege 1500, then the balancing needs to "freez" the actual game and rebalance teams like

 

Siege: shut down both ships and reset EU counter back to what it was before 600/700/800/900 whatever and every player has to launch from base with his slightly new team

 

TDM: if 1 person left, freez the game for the player with lowest score on enemy team until the other team got 1 more back and launched into the game, not connecting. If 2 players leave 1 team, freez the game and rebalance it witch switching 1 from the enemy to the other by force or let people decide on their own if they want to sit or let the system choose who has to switch (because if the best player wants to switch and get to the team with in general better players it will continue into a stomping game).

 

MA: the same like TDM

 

3. give us spectator mode so people can watch first person view of players by choice to see how they play or to look if they use aimbot/wallhack

 

4. to eleminate or reduce the problem of high pings, dont let people choose on what server they want to play by regions, let them choose by ping! And give them also the ability to filter out servers they don't want to play on (because it has ping highter then 100 for example).

 

This way you have 2 teams, all with good pings and the balancing might work better, because sometimes you get in game with a team full of players with 0-100 ping and the other have 3 people with ping above 300 and they, of course, loose the game

 

5. bring statics into balancing too, for example if you got 10 players for 5 vs 5 team and 2 players are known for playing almost all the time only technician and you put those together in 1 teams, it can already decide what the outcome of the next match will be if both choose to go tech so they have much less firepower (or are not decent with other mechs so mmr ranking is wrong). This gets even worse in 3 vs 3 or 4 vs 4 situations. So take into account what the players most likely are going to play and mix it the right way

 

6. don't bring a vote system in the game like "kick player a b c", or vote for thumbs up, because this system could be abused by many players.

 

7. Sometimes switching teams isn't possible, so this needs to get fixed as well. You get the notification for pressing f8, but nothing happens so 2 people from your team has to sit, but do you think they do? Almost in 90% of all time they don't and have fun stomping and people are going to ragequit.

 

Kind Regards,

 

Galaxy Radio


Edited by GalaxyRadio, 01 August 2015 - 06:34 AM.

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3=yes

do it speed

if not, all ppl beter then you is aimbot & walhack



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if i'm not wrong , last month i played in 2300+MMR server ( if i'm not wrong the average high skilled player was there 6v6 ) it was really awesome server and so close and lots of fun .if u want fun than play in 2.2k or 2.3+k server .i don't think so match making is wrong ,if u consider other game there also have bad balance .but it happen sometimes .

 

(sorry i didn't get ur point ) 


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1=no

no high population

 

3=no

use MMR for balancing

tune MMR beter

 

4=yes

 

5=maybe

tune MMR beter

 

6=yes

 

7=yes

+relog/rejoin is option



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1) Might be a good idea.

 

2) I think this is a terrible idea. You are breaking game flow and/or having random people now just not be able to play for some time because someone else left. What about new players or, well, just someone in last place? 5v4 might not be the most fair but neither is the game deciding "No, you can't play until someone else comes". As for the EU thing, that would hurt more than help in terms of gameflow for all players, and basically says that the last couple minutes was wasted for everyone because one team did too well.

 

3) Probably a good idea.

 

4) I won't comment on this because I'm not sure how much better it would be if one chose by ping.

 

5) No. What one is most likely to play and what one will play aren't the same. I've been in the Incinerator far more than other mechs but that doesn't mean I'm going to use it in a match. 

 

6) Well, no comment there. Can't really speak much on not allowing a system the game doesn't have.

 

7) It's not broken, based on my experiences. It's just that the switch doesn't happen when there is a certain amount of time left. Either that, or someone fills in the spot fast enough.



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@Panzer,

 

7) no, sometimes you past 5min. and press F8 to switch, but it just dosn't work, thats all ;)

 

2) my system wouldn't drive us into 40 VS 20 games, its much more flexible

 

Most of the problems we have are Smurfs that like to stomp and reduce mmr by not playing to stomp in some days again, situations were 1 side has 1 or 2 more player (for example party) and people getting into a game with much more or worse skill then other, ruin the exp of everyone. And this happens everyday in almost all matches, sometimes right at the beginning, sometimes near at the end to ruin the hard work for 1 team in even a balanced match (for example 35/33 and its ending 36/40).

 

All of this would be almost eliminated by my suggestions to creat better balancing. It would work better with more players (much less waiting time), of course, but we don't have many. And if people have to wait, they can just spectate someone from enemy the own team (not the enemy because -> teamspeak... Thats only for people watching this game without taking place in it)

 

Kind Regards,

 

Galaxy Radio



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The thing is, if your suggestion is to minimize smurf stomping, why does it affect someone in last place? Some guy is on the same team as some high mmr player and they get forced into spectator mode just because someone on the other team leaves? That's not fair. It's not like every new person will dislike getting stomped (some people just don't realize that this is a thing in all online games where there are players with years of experience over one person new to everything), but going as far as to just forcefully keep others from playing might not be a good idea either.



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2. if the difference still grows in all game modes like TDM more then 10 kills or MA 400 points or Siege 1500, then the balancing needs to "freez" the actual game and rebalance teams like

 

what this does mean?

if i understand correct, i play in siege, kill all on AA and destroy a half of enemy base, and than game throw me in team which base i destroyed a minute ago? i don't want beat myself.

No!

 

also, it is not good idea with freeze. why other player should wait? i want to play in mech battle and don't want look at freeze-simulator.

 

 

3.

 

and record a demo

 

 

 

also, several words from my personal expirience (maybe it working only for me, idk)

i'm never used server browser. i just press "quick play" button and play on server where babaji-balance put me. and i actually always play with the same faces. i mean it is always guys like iDim or hestoned or others stronk guys. i'm not choose the server, game always balance me to they automatically.

I can be a super-player who shred others only if i play early (probably, other cool guys don't play in this moment), but in evening it is working fine on 99%
i'm trying to say that balancing working nice, if strong people play in the same time with me, game put me to their server. it is only problem of population.

balancing only not working in DM, very often i play against a very weak players in DM. Just because nobody else not playing


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if i'm not wrong , last month i played in 2300+MMR server ( if i'm not wrong the average high skilled player was there 6v6 ) it was really awesome server and so close and lots of fun .if u want fun than play in 2.2k or 2.3+k server .i don't think so match making is wrong ,if u consider other game there also have bad balance .but it happen sometimes .

 

I saw the server in the browser - knew almost all the guys in there. Wanted to join. "Out of skill range". What? Couldn't believe it. And then we have hope who joins 1800 mmr avg servers to stomp, eh I mean train.


Edited by 1uster, 01 August 2015 - 01:39 PM.


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I'm upset, this morning there was only one server > 2k and it was siege.

Siege in random games is awful, too long, painful, too relient on teamplay.

I'd rather have gone solo in frankfurt-botstdm-5907 or roflstomped in TDM.

 

Did I say that I was upset ?


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1. a match never starts before both sides have the same amount of member and this means CONNECTED not "pilot connecting"

 

This pretty much doesn't solve anything, especially if people wanted to play in times, when there aren't many people online, this restriction would keep them away from playing. Also, uneven doesn't mean unbalanced, I've seen enough uneven matches that have been completely balanced, on the other hand, there are as many even matches as there are uneven matches that are unbalanced.

 

 

2. if the difference still grows in all game modes like TDM more then 10 kills or MA 400 points or Siege 1500, then the balancing needs to "freez" the actual game and rebalance teams like

 

Siege: shut down both ships and reset EU counter back to what it was before 600/700/800/900 whatever and every player has to launch from base with his slightly new team

 

TDM: if 1 person left, freez the game for the player with lowest score on enemy team until the other team got 1 more back and launched into the game, not connecting. If 2 players leave 1 team, freez the game and rebalance it witch switching 1 from the enemy to the other by force or let people decide on their own if they want to sit or let the system choose who has to switch (because if the best player wants to switch and get to the team with in general better players it will continue into a stomping game).

 

MA: the same like TDM

 

As Panzer has stated correctly, this would completely destroy the gameflow. Also, as nepa has stated correctly, this would be punishment for good teams, for teams, who communicate well or who think about what they're doing. The only thing this system does is encouraging people to leave the match. Some players even leave the game because they got switched because the game was uneven, imagine what would happen if players got switched because they did well.

Additionally, if this system existed, some players would simply look that the difference of kills/base health doesn't reach the amount you've mentioned, meaning, they would just start to feed when the limit is about to be reached and keep playing normally after that.

What would happen if the system fails? What would happen if the difference after reblancing the teams still keeps growing or if the difference doesn't decrease? I assume the teams would just get switched as long as it takes to reduce the difference of kills/base health, however, that wouldn't mean that the teams were balanced then, that would mean that the losing team is now stronger than the winning team. Basically, the system would fight unbalance by creating new unbalance, that's great.

 

 

3. give us spectator mode so people can watch first person view of players by choice to see how they play or to look if they use aimbot/wallhack

 

As I understand you would like to enter and leave spectator mode whenever you wish to during matches... That would create major unbalance (what this all is about, isn't it?). This could also be easily abused since the spectator would be a mobile Scanner and could tell his team where certain players are and what they're doing. With small modifications this would be a good idea though:

If teams are uneven, one player from the team with more players is able to enter spectator mode until another player joins the match. However, the spectator is able to only watch his team mates fighting , so he wouldn't be able to move as he would be stuck with his teammate of choice.

 

 

4. to eleminate or reduce the problem of high pings, dont let people choose on what server they want to play by regions, let them choose by ping! And give them also the ability to filter out servers they don't want to play on (because it has ping highter then 100 for example).

 

This way you have 2 teams, all with good pings and the balancing might work better, because sometimes you get in game with a team full of players with 0-100 ping and the other have 3 people with ping above 300 and they, of course, loose the game

 

As long as players would still be able to join other regions than the one they've got the best ping in, I like the concept.

 

 

5. bring statics into balancing too, for example if you got 10 players for 5 vs 5 team and 2 players are known for playing almost all the time only technician and you put those together in 1 teams, it can already decide what the outcome of the next match will be if both choose to go tech so they have much less firepower (or are not decent with other mechs so mmr ranking is wrong). This gets even worse in 3 vs 3 or 4 vs 4 situations. So take into account what the players most likely are going to play and mix it the right way

 

To be honest, if somebody only plays one certain Mech and isn't able to play another Mech on the same skill level, it's his own problem, since there are enough Mechs out there that are quite easy to use. Also, I can imagine that this would cause more unbalance than it would negate, especially players who are able to play a great variety of Mechs cannot be categorized that easily. It would make matchmaking too complex in my opinion.

 

 

6. don't bring a vote system in the game like "kick player a b c", or vote for thumbs up, because this system could be abused by many players.

 

I cannot really say much to that idea, since vote kick works well in other games, but it can be easily abused, as you've said.

 

 

7. Sometimes switching teams isn't possible, so this needs to get fixed as well. You get the notification for pressing f8, but nothing happens so 2 people from your team has to sit, but do you think they do? Almost in 90% of all time they don't and have fun stomping and people are going to ragequit.

 

Agreed, sometimes players are not able to switch teams, that should get fixed.

 

Btw, I'm suprised that you haven't considered to change anything regarding parties, since they're always causing huge imbalance.


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I saw the server in the browser - knew almost all the guys in there. Wanted to join. "Out of skill range". What? Couldn't believe it. And then we have hope who joins 1800 mmr avg servers to stomp, eh I mean train.

i prefer to go 2.1k server or 2.2k server .otherwise play bot tdm .i need fun not mmr :D  



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@Erz,

 

spectator mode: No, you browse on servers, found a 3 star one and just go there to spectate only and not taking part of the game  :)

 

Party: Right, i completly forget about that, they need to be removed for "public" games, at least "now", because it wouldn't work.

 

To the rest you said, its only half right, i can understand that people start the game, joins somewhere and want to play right from the start, so this leads us almost every time to situations where it becomes unplayable because 1 side is stomping the other and don't care much, because they get the same in other games in return, so they do the same.

 

That became hilarious, because right now we have a game where 90% of the community are comepletly selfish because everyone else is and never pay any attention to the chat ;) I am sitting in almost every match for some time or completly if i need to, to make it more fair.

 

I had also many games, where i joined a game in the middle to the side taht is already STOMPING with few members (like you said). And you now what many people are doing in such situations? Right, they take part in the stomping to make it even worse. And sometimes i join a game, where my team had 1 less, so i got in there, but have the upperhand because of better players and slightly stomp the others. So i choosed to watch and do nothing to make it more fair and getting slapped by my own teammates for sabotage them, thats how hawken is right now or became because of the small population. Thats a situation i don't care what they say, because they are just selfish and wat to stomp even more or getting mad IF they die once. The reason i stay is, so that no one else can join my stomping team, so the other may have the chance to get 1 more to become a "fair game". Sometimes it works and end in 4 vs 6 situation and my team really has to fight to full extend to win, but its more balanced.

 

So right now if the gamemechanic fails and they do in almost all games, i try myself to make up for it.

 

1. i choose a mech i am completly useless with (if i play againts new players and they dont have a good one i know)  

2. i just defend my team and never hunt or try to kill someone (if its slightly unbalanced for my team, i concentrate to fight the enemy team back or protection repairing teammates even with my own items)

 

Sometimes they are matches, where i have trouble to compensate, because if i do nothing my team gets stomped, if i just fight back, we loose ground and the teammoral gets down and tehy run more then fighting. But if i choose to go all out it becomes unbalanced for the enemy teams. I really hate this rare situations. If something like this happens, i just kill to "even the count"

 

So most of the time i don't play at full strength. And this becomes a problem, if iam in 5 vs 5 situations and the other team got a really good player always playing with full capacity not like me and iam not able anymore to compensate.

 

I know, what i do is rather extreme, but thats how iam, i like to help, i like to heal and try to compensate, but it shouldn't be that way in a game anyway. I do this only because the population is so low, and i don't want to scare new players away and when i try to teach the "enemy team" something my team gets super angry at me, well....

 

The only thing i know ofr sure is, balancing fails most of the time because the system is not very good and the population is too small and right now i don't see it getting better until that game get much more updates, big new content(s) and more marketing. I was just hoping that the community will balance this out themself until this is actually happening or try to teach and help new players instead of just stomping them like many top player do, or even make new smurfs just for the stomping, because otherwise they have to fight againts there own kind...

 

Kind Regards,

 

Galaxy Radio


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you also stomp

look on you twitch

play tech and scout only

makeing himself only good player on EU

big joke

play some TDM with top EU players everyday on night

or maybe they are cheats for you

or to scary and ashamed?






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