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Howdy ho !

 

EU at 5 a.m GMT, I have the choice between a 1400MMR siege or 1400MMR TDM. I want to play hawken in the morning when I drink my coffee. I used to go CoopTDM for a bit of challenge. Now I can't, and I went in the TDM server... 2 vs 3 for most part of the game and we won something like 21-7 and I was using my naked Fred.

 

There is nothing in the (not so) weekly update about CoopTDM servers modifications ? Damned, why were all the CoopTDM changed into servers with a minimum of two players for game start ?

 

Cap'tain to you really want us to stomp in lower servers when no games are available ? Or "cheat" with a double login using a smurf to start a CoopTDM ?

 

Please, please, give us back solo CoopTDM


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9. Game Balance:

  - Slightly increased turret health (both MG and Rocket)

  - Slightly reduce detection range on the Portable Scanner

 

Possible detail in the numeric. How many things have changed?


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Tried a new account and 3 games later i had 30k hc so the new hc gains are great for new players. They can easily get 2-3 mechs pretty fast :)
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Could be the server browser bugging and displaying servers as 3-star while they're rolling over to a new map, perhaps?
I personally use herokuapp to check for servers instead of the server browser itself due to that bug.

 

Yeah, that bug is real.

And interesting question is - does the matchmaker also "see" for a short time a 3 star server and connects you to this?



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6. Reduced data size in server-to-client communications

  - should decrease sync times a little

 

yay!

 

Not a weekly update, but good stuff nevertheless.

 

it doesn't matter how it calling, it is still good news.


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You've ruined the game for me

 

You've made me able to face Lioot now! :D



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I think the whole MMR system should be scrapped and everything unlocked.

I think people would rather get to play a game and lose than sit at the menu trying to get into a server.

They should unlock all servers for a week to see what happens.
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I'm looking forward to seeing Eliteshooter dueling all his NA buds on Istanbul (not Constantinople) in his infiltrator !
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Unlocking the servers and showing mmr would let the skilled players seek each other easily and would allow players who want a challenge to join the server too. When I was first playing the game that's the only way I learned anything, join the high mmr lobby and get your ass handed to you for a while. I doubt any new player actually gets to experience hawken for what it really is because all their games are decided by a plethora of stupid issues. 

 

On this subject, I'd like to reiterate an idea I brought up a while ago:

 

 

 

It may be a good idea to make each player's MMR visible only to himself in game, but obfuscated behind some rating system.

 

Example:

Pilots and servers are rated on a scale of 1 to 5, calculated by MMR * 5/3000 + 1, rounded to the nearest tenth. This would mean a rating of "5" would require an MMR over 2400, which falls right about the top 100.  This makes the measurement fuzzy enough that small fluctuations are not visible, as it only has a resolution of 100 MMR.

 

A pilot's own rating is visible to him in the "profile" section, and the rating of the server is visible in the browser, perhaps with a little note regarding relative skill similar to what we have now. This would also provide a justification for applying underdog bonuses based on MMR.

 

 

IMO the raw MMR number is too granular to be officially public, as it appears to fluctuate a lot and could be discouraging to player who aren't familiar with how the rating works, but it would be nice to have some kind of public rating.


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Unlocking the servers and showing mmr would let the skilled players seek each other easily and would allow players who want a challenge to join the server too. When I was first playing the game that's the only way I learned anything, join the high mmr lobby and get your ass handed to you for a while. I doubt any new player actually gets to experience hawken for what it really is because all their games are decided by a plethora of stupid issues. 

 

Here's a fun experiment to try at home:

 

1. Take a 2400 mmr account and place it in an empty lobby.

 

2. Watch as nothing happens!

 

3. You can literally surf the internet for hours without a game actually starting!

 

4. ??????

 

5. profit

 

Two things:

 

A:  Where can I get a 2400mmr account?

 

B:  I am a 1950 player.  I can start in an empty lobby and still sit there for hours and hours without anyone joining.


To be serious for a moment this is just a joke

 


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What happened last week?


11. The Markee Fest event was really great

  - It was the first in-person event we've done, and we'll be doing more in the future


 

 

 

Listen Tiggs,

 

Thank you for managing to post an update on the community Hawken forums.

 

Please forgive me for saying so, but someone's gotta tell ya.....

 

We are all very happy you attended a party at your friend's house in Florida, but it has very little to do with Hawken or it's player community.

It's definitely not content that anyone needs to see in a Hawken update message, even if you did sponser their BBQ.

 

You can be sure we would much rather hear about how Poopslinger and Eth0 met up and hung out, in comparison.

You see, they are Hawken players, and relevant to our community here (have you checked your psr?).

 

So while we hope Reloaded's funding of Mark's cookout helped stock some cold beers and greased your relationship to these people who you've convinced to refer to you as  "Queen Mech M4M4" (no self-respecting actual hawken player calls you that, let's be honest);

 

It has nothing to do with Hawken or it's players.

Perhaps save it for off-topic.

 

Regards


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I'm looking forward to seeing Eliteshooter dueling all his NA buds on Istanbul (not Constantinople) in his infiltrator !


P. sure Frankfurt is closer to Tunisia than Istanbul.

This would probably help our Hungarian friends though.

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P. sure Frankfurt is closer to Tunisia than Istanbul.

This would probably help our Hungarian friends though.

Budapest - Frankfurt: 966 km

Budapest - Istanbul : 1336 km

I am Hungarian and my first impressions with the Istanbul server are terrible.

This would probably help our Turkish friends though.


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I'm looking forward to seeing Eliteshooter dueling all his NA buds on Istanbul (not Constantinople) in his infiltrator !

 

Can't tell if they can play there tho. I'm 100% positive they'll get worse ping there than in frankfurt :/


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The Markee Fest event

 

what is this? google not help me


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Budapest - Frankfurt: 966 km
Budapest - Istanbul : 1336 km
I am Hungarian and my first impressions with the Istanbul server are terrible.


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what is this? google not help me

https://www.youtube....h?v=bpOBP9r2kd0

And this..

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Listen Tiggs,

 

Thank you for managing to post an update on the community Hawken forums.

 

Please forgive me for saying so, but someone's gotta tell ya.....

 

We are all very happy you attended a party at your friend's house in Florida, but it has very little to do with Hawken or it's player community.

It's definitely not content that anyone needs to see in a Hawken update message, even if you did sponser their BBQ.

 

You can be sure we would much rather hear about how Poopslinger and Eth0 met up and hung out, in comparison.

You see, they are Hawken players, and relevant to our community here (have you checked your psr?).

 

So while we hope Reloaded's funding of Mark's cookout helped stock some cold beers and greased your relationship to these people who you've convinced to refer to you as  "Queen Mech M4M4" (no self-respecting actual hawken player calls you that, let's be honest);

 

It has nothing to do with Hawken or it's players.

Perhaps save it for off-topic.

 

Regards

 

I mean, I gotta wonder whether it bears mentioning under "General Discussion".  Isn't this more of a community event?  (But like, without community members.)


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Listen Tiggs,

 

Thank you for managing to post an update on the community Hawken forums.

 

Please forgive me for saying so, but someone's gotta tell ya.....

 

We are all very happy you attended a party at your friend's house in Florida, but it has very little to do with Hawken or it's player community.

It's definitely not content that anyone needs to see in a Hawken update message, even if you did sponser their BBQ.

 

You can be sure we would much rather hear about how Poopslinger and Eth0 met up and hung out, in comparison.

You see, they are Hawken players, and relevant to our community here (have you checked your psr?).

 

So while we hope Reloaded's funding of Mark's cookout helped stock some cold beers and greased your relationship to these people who you've convinced to refer to you as  "Queen Mech M4M4" (no self-respecting actual hawken player calls you that, let's be honest);

 

It has nothing to do with Hawken or it's players.

Perhaps save it for off-topic.

 

Regards

 

 

I mean, I gotta wonder whether it bears mentioning under "General Discussion".  Isn't this more of a community event?  (But like, without community members.)

 

 

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Listen Tiggs,

 

Thank you for managing to post an update on the community Hawken forums.

 

Please forgive me for saying so, but someone's gotta tell ya.....

 

We are all very happy you attended a party at your friend's house in Florida, but it has very little to do with Hawken or it's player community.

It's definitely not content that anyone needs to see in a Hawken update message, even if you did sponser their BBQ.

 

You can be sure we would much rather hear about how Poopslinger and Eth0 met up and hung out, in comparison.

You see, they are Hawken players, and relevant to our community here (have you checked your psr?).

 

So while we hope Reloaded's funding of Mark's cookout helped stock some cold beers and greased your relationship to these people who you've convinced to refer to you as  "Queen Mech M4M4" (no self-respecting actual hawken player calls you that, let's be honest);

 

It has nothing to do with Hawken or it's players.

Perhaps save it for off-topic.

 

Regards

 

 

Capn Josh tries to provide updates on all things that have gone on since the last update. He choose to include the meet up in his weekly update since it is Hawken related and it was sponsored by us. The event was open to all players for free and while it may not pertain to you directly, there are others that may be interested.  Regarding the Mech M4M4 nickname, this actually started with a few Hawken players and it's what they refer to me and caught on to a few other streamers.  


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Regarding the Mech M4M4 nickname, this actually started with a few Hawken players and it's what they refer to me and caught on to a few other streamers.  

 

Pretty sure when you say "M4M4" 99% of the people will know you're referring to the incinerator's primary weapon.


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The event was open to all players for free

 

Did I miss the promotion of the event? This is the first I've heard of Markeefest, and googling it takes me to a youtube channel with functionally zero Hawken content.


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Markee Dragon is a long-time game industry guy who has an interest in promoting Hawken.  He's been pushing it with his live streamer network for a while, and he's going to keep up the interest while he sees some traction from that effort.  That's basically what's behind it.  He makes it easy for us to work with him, so that's really about it.


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It is good to get the Hawken name out there even though he does have very little actual Hawken content on his channel. Publicity is good.


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Popular streamers of FPS games that suddenly do some streams playing Hawken will deliver the game to Hawkens target audience.
Seeing a stream of a game is much better advertising IMO than a static page. I looked at some space sims in development and there isn't a good video out there that indicates whether I would like the gameplay so I simply don't try them. If he invites some other streamers and Hawken Devs to a BBQ it is good for hawken. I for one had no problem hearing that it went well.

Would you rather Reloaded spent much more money elsewhere and didn't achieve as much word of mouth and goodwill?
I'd love if more Australian potential recruits could see Hawken in action to improve our local playerbase, but it needs players to advertise to other players to really get the message across...

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So firstly, I've no issue with Reloaded advertising through Twitch streamers.  Secondly, I've no personal issues with this MarkeeDragon.

 

That being said, have you watched anything from his Twitch channel?  Here's a typical stream: http://www.twitch.tv...ragon/v/8818332

 

Spoilers: it's nine hours of nothing but EVE.  But perhaps he plays a variety of games, Hawken amongst them?  Check his Past Broadcasts page.  Spoilers: it's hundreds of hours of nothing but Eve.  His only Hawken-heavy streams are from MID JUNE.  I even watched three hours of "Markeefest," wherein the participants talked PRIMARILY ABOUT EVE AND OTHER MMO's.  Don't believe me?  Here you go: http://www.twitch.tv...ragon/v/7934094

 

To be fair, their sponsorship bought them a little Hawken banner for the extent of the event, but I have to wonder about its efficacy.  The guy's an EVE streamer.  He made his name selling Plex (and currency from other MMO's, from what I've seen) and streaming EVE for thirty days as a newbie.  The people who watch him are EVE players.  I can't imagine that there's much crossover with Hawken players.

 

At day's end, I don't really care where Reloaded spends their marketing money - especially when we're talking trivial amounts (I assume) directed toward networking (I assume) with Streamers.  They can't do any worse than Meteor blowing tens of millions on comics and nebulous movie deals.  But let's not pretend that this particular Streamer's going to contribute significantly to Hawken's population by playing thousands of hours of EVE.  And let's not be surprised when longstanding community members express a little shock about Reloaded's streamer selection.


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Indeed.

 

However, I can't help but assume that Reloaded has only begun the process, and has yet to "fully" engage in media promotion. The game is not finished, and any said promotion would likely backfire in the long run. Perhaps Reloaded has temporarily held off on all direct stream promotions? That would partially explain the lackluster Hawken content this MarkeeDragon is throwing out.

 

Regardless, valid points and concerns you've brought up Nept. I too agree that it will require more than just an individual group recommending our game. It's not enough to promote Hawken just by playing it. And certainly not enough for an EVE centered audience to actually crossover. Even if the numbers prove to be impressive, there is no telling that it will be stable in terms of retention.

 

Still, any form of "soft" promotion would help marginally, as is the case with the occasional twenty-thousand backed (followers) streamers trying out Hawken. Fortunately, our community has been able to stabilize the population to such depth that Hawken has continued through the months of development hell. Not prioritizing media promotion shouldn't be totally damaging up ahead.

 

In any case, a well executed strategy for media promotion will need to be supported by content. This won't happen for quite some time though, as evident by Reloaded's approximate update timeline versus estimated deadlines. The game has massive potential, but it's all for nothing without a strong foundation for it to grow. We already have the largest pillar, and that is our community.


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HAWKEN has enough people who are willing to comeback and play and spend again than whatever any gaming personality can redirect via his videos or streams.

 

If the focus is on getting a damn update up, then you'll see people playing.

 

The last time an update went up, there were 10k people playing.

 

Obviously if an update happens then ofc not 10k people will launch HAWKEN, but I'm pretty sure it'll reach the 4k mark. I bet on that.

 

Please focus on development, on actually good stuff that people will care about.

 

You have an incomplete mech and an incomplete map. How much development time will that need? 2 weeks? Whatever, just do it.

 

Don't advertise for a practically dead game. Yeah there are devs, but they ain't developing the client.


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I agree. Advertising game in which year there were no significant updates (correction of bugs) will cause more harm than good.


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I agree. Advertising game in which year there were no significant updates (correction of bugs) will cause more harm than good.

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what items/internals do you use for rteer

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items: EMP, Repair Charge, Portable Scanner

internals: COMPOSITE ARMOR, DEFLECTORS, ADVANCED ARMOR FUSOR


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http://www.hawken.ru- ???? ??????????? ?????????? ??????? (Website of the Russian community)

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Just fix the wait and join time on the game and you will have our loyalty.

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Possible detail in the numeric. How many things have changed?

 

Scanner now has a range similar to a tetherball pole.



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The people who watch him are EVE players.  I can't imagine that there's much crossover with Hawken players.

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But let's not pretend that this particular Streamer's going to contribute significantly to Hawken's population by playing thousands of hours of EVE.


I disagree and heres why.

The people that watch him regularly are the people that enjoy being entertained by him for whatever reason, the game any streamer plays has very little to do with things once you cross a line and become a regular viewer. The new people that show up mid stream do FIND him because they are players of whatever game he's currently playing, but not his regulars. If the new arrivals like what they see and enjoy it they might stick around and watch regularly. I think you are trying to put the focus on the game, and watching a stream isn't about the game, its more about the engagement with streamer. You find the streamer by the game, yes, but once you've found a quality streamer you enjoy watching, the game they play becomes irrelevant.

I think you are overlooking the fact that no matter who is streaming, a number of their fans will follow them and play whatever game they are currently playing.

I've seen it happen in Docs stream, people that normally only play MMO's would even stop watching and play Hawken with Doc. Enough people to make sure his server was always full during his stream. The question is, did or do they play even when the streamer isn't playing that game live. I think that depends on if people actually find the game enjoyable, and we all know how enjoyable Hawken is to new players.

I myself have purchased and played games I normally wouldn't of strictly because of a streamer or Youtuber, for example I started playing Don't Starve cause I watched x9x8x7x play it on stream a few times. I also started playing Binding of Isaac because of another streamer that I watched because of Don't Starve. I can go on and on with my own personal examples.

I think you are greatly underselling and ignoring the influence that the streamer has in advertising any game both directly (on purpose and getting paid or something in return) and indirectly (by just playing it) , no matter what their viewer base was created on.

I wish Josh and Tiggs would produce the results of if their experiment with the streamers was a success, failure or it broke even, but one thing you cannot deny some of those players you labeled as strictly EVE players did download and play Hawken. I'm sure it had the same results as the rest of the people that played Hawken a few times and didn't stick around though, sadly.


If the focus is on getting a damn update up, then you'll see people playing.


And Elite, the game is going to need quite a bit more than just some new content. You've got to be a little more realistic and look at the bigger picture. Yes, content can bring some people back, but it won't keep them around for very long.

Its going to need an uninterrupted string of content for a long time, to keep people interested, or it will be just like when the news hit that Reloaded purchased Hawken. Some players will return, but they will quickly get bored and go on to other more interesting games.

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That being said, have you watched anything from his Twitch channel?  Here's a typical stream: http://www.twitch.tv...ragon/v/8818332

 

Spoilers: it's nine hours of nothing but EVE.  But perhaps he plays a variety of games, Hawken amongst them?  Check his Past Broadcasts page.  Spoilers: it's hundreds of hours of nothing but Eve.  His only Hawken-heavy streams are from MID JUNE.  I even watched three hours of "Markeefest," wherein the participants talked PRIMARILY ABOUT EVE AND OTHER MMO's.  Don't believe me?  Here you go: http://www.twitch.tv...ragon/v/7934094


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I wish Josh and Tiggs would produce the results of if their experiment with the streamers was a success, failure or it broke even, but one thing you cannot deny some of those players you labeled as strictly EVE players did download and play Hawken. I'm sure it had the same results as the rest of the people that played Hawken a few times and didn't stick around though, sadly.


I can do the same thing, so whats your point?


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Point should be obvious, even to you.  You can't cherry pick two sentences and ignore the rest.  In this case, the rest refuted your entire post.

 

Here it is again.

 

 


That being said, have you watched anything from his Twitch channel?  Here's a typical stream: http://www.twitch.tv...ragon/v/8818332

 

Spoilers: it's nine hours of nothing but EVE.  But perhaps he plays a variety of games, Hawken amongst them?  Check his Past Broadcasts page.  Spoilers: it's hundreds of hours of nothing but Eve.  His only Hawken-heavy streams are from MID JUNE.  I even watched three hours of "Markeefest," wherein the participants talked PRIMARILY ABOUT EVE AND OTHER MMO's.  Don't believe me?  Here you go: http://www.twitch.tv...ragon/v/7934094

 



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Here we go again...


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Point should be obvious, even to you.  You can't cherry pick two sentences and ignore the rest.  In this case, the rest refuted your entire post.

 

Here it is again.

 

Oh, so you are saying that all of the free keys he handed out during his stream as giveaways were never ever used, and any time he spent actually playing Hawken on his stream, did not bring a single Eve player to the game.  Do you realize that Hawken giveaways during an all Eve stream will still get the winners  of those giveaways to download the game?  You're being awful close minded thinking that someone has to stream a game "a thousand hours" exclusively to advertise it.  If Tiggs were to give me 100 keys and I gave them away to 100 different people at random that had never heard of Hawken before, I'd think a pretty good percentage of those people would use that key, which means they would download the game and play it.

 

Also you are centering on one particular target, I am not, I am talking about the entire group of people Reloaded contacted about helping them advertise though streaming.  The streaming did bring players to the game and you know it, so your grip about his streaming is baseless.  I proved it with my example of keys and I don't even have to stream, but I can still use those keys to advertise and bring new players to the game.  The only difference is the turnover rate, mine would be less than 100, whereas his is going to be greater than 100 because he has a number of viewers that might get interested in the game simply by watching it.

 

When I read your original gripe I get the gist that you think that someone streaming a FPS game such as CS:GO or TF2 exclusively on their channel is going to attract more people than someone streaming another game such as Eve.  That is false and I proved it with my own personal examples.  


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