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BlackWarGreymon

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Okay, now here's something I observed while playing earlier today:

 

Playing a game of hide and seek with a Pred, behind the lower AA on Frontline, next to the Energy station- you know, where that large block of buildings are- he ( the Pred ) is at one end, I'm at the other in a C class mech. He cloaks, but obviously I can see him just fine so fire and hit him, his cloak drops and he ducks around the wall. 2-3 seconds later he pops his head out to shoot at me and he has somehow re-cloaked. 

 

This carries on for a good minute, I hit him or cause splash damage, but he can re-cloak almost instantly; this doesn't make any sense to me, since to the best of my knowledge a Predator CANNOT re-cloak for ~15 seconds after they have been hit by enemy fire. Either I'm missing something obvious ( feel free to insult me, most people do ), or this guy was using some kind of hack tool.

 

Thoughts?

 

( I wasn't able to kill him since his Pred was simply too fast for me to catch up to him, he could simply walk/run around the block of buildings faster than I could, using his cloaking ability to see which direction I was heading in ).


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Without seeing footage, I would have to question whether you actually hit him.

 

Could be a hack.

Could be that he had a deployed item that was getting splash damage, and he was just dodging your shots (2 sec re-cloak after dodge).



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Nah, I'm talking dead on shots that connect, or shots exploding directly next to him giving the 'hit' sound and crosshair flicker. He ducks behind a wall, then pops out cloaked again instantly- no deployed items. I really do wish I had video of it. I know his name, so if I see him in game again I'll be sure to record...


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could have been more than one pred there....

 

lol

 

I wouldnt be suprised


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could have been more than one pred there....

 

lol

 

I wouldnt be suprised

there is always more than 1 pred or any mech for that matter.


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I play pred most of the time, never saw that happening.

What is possible is that he de-cloaks the moment before the attack,

so you will not affect his cloak cool-down by hitting him.

He is then able to go into cloak whenever he sees fit.

 

Otherwise, there must be a logic explanation. I never really saw any ability hax so far.


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I play pred most of the time, never saw that happening.

What is possible is that he de-cloaks the moment before the attack,

so you will not affect his cloak cool-down by hitting him.

He is then able to go into cloak whenever he sees fit.

 

Otherwise, there must be a logic explanation. I never really saw any ability hax so far.

Even if you retrigger there is a cooldown though...

 

15 seconds i think, i have accidentally double triggered before ^_^  Derp

 

seems more likely to me there were 2 preds rotating


Edited by -TDM- Demitron-Prime, 06 July 2016 - 04:11 AM.

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Ye.

If you go into skirmish cloaked and get hit (and you most probably will) in mid fight you have to do full cool-down,

and by the time it passes the fight will be over anywyas.

 

The thing with de-cloaking before entering the fray is that you can cloak in mid fight.

Cool down will be much shorter depending on your timing, it can give you small tactical advantage and save your ass.

Plus your vision is more clear / easier to skirmish, since temp out-of-stalker mode is just a disturbance.

 

Maybe he had replenisher and killed few guys behind the cover. :)


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Only one Pred on the enemy team. Now I REALLY wish I had video of the incident- I was hitting/damaging him while he was cloaked, made no odds, he was still able to re-cloak straight away without any cooldown. I look like I'm just imagining it I'm sure, but something was fishy...


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This has been observed for years.  It's not just the Predator, but it's been seen on Infiltrators too.  Nobody has been able to confirm (to my knowledge), whether it is a glitch or a hack.

 

I once ran into a guy who had this happening on his Infiltrator.  When I asked him "How do you get your Infiltrator to instantly recloak after being shot or shooting?"  adding, "because my Infiltrator loses its cloak ability after I get shot or fire a shot."  He seemed surprised by that, stating, "what do you mean, this is how the Infiltrator has always behaved."

 

So, we went into a match with just the two of us and played with it.  Sure as fuzz, he could shoot or get shot and his Infil would uncloak for a second, then automatically recloak.  Once he ran out of fuel, the effect was normal and his Infil would have to wait for the ability to cool down.  Obviously, my Infil would uncloak and have to wait for cool-down after firing even one shot or taking any damage.

 

I've also seen the same thing happen on some Predators.

 

Still, although others have observed it too, nobody seems to think it's a cheat/hack... but more likely just a bad bit of code that exists on some peoples accounts.  But, who knows?


To be serious for a moment this is just a joke

 


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Infiltrator can be shot,boost and dodge while in cloak, that will not break the cloak.

Pred and Infil don't have identical cloak mechanics. It just looks the same.

 

I never saw anything similar regarding buggy cloak usage, except visible weapons bug which is rare anyways.

I don't think there are ability hacks.

Yet.


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Could it have something to do with the Replenisher or whatever its called(the internal that decreases your ability cooldown when you get a kill or assist)?


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Two or more preds were there

or the pred had replenisher and killed someone while in cover.

Pred cloak cooldown is considerably shorter than that on infil.

 

IMO replenisher is just a waste of space in pred's internals slots.


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Two or more preds were there

or the pred had replenisher and killed someone while in cover.

Pred cloak cooldown is considerably shorter than that on infil.

 

IMO replenisher is just a waste of space in pred's internals slots.

Replenisher and Advanced reconstuctor is a internal loadout I want to try on Pred. Super sneaky.


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Fair enough- it's something I'll keep an eye on, haven't seen it before which is why it stuck out as being 'not normal'. 


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Fair nuff...

 

I have actually seen preds that seemed to have dodgy cloaking to me... it turned out to be my ping though...

 

something else to keep in mind,

 

I was playing last night and talking to some one on TS, they were infront of me on my screen but i was behind them on theirs....


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Fair nuff...

 

I have actually seen preds that seemed to have dodgy cloaking to me... it turned out to be my ping though...

 

something else to keep in mind,

 

I was playing last night and talking to some one on TS, they were infront of me on my screen but i was behind them on theirs....

I think you mean that you were in front of them on their screen but behind them on yours.


 

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This has been observed for years.  It's not just the Predator, but it's been seen on Infiltrators too.  Nobody has been able to confirm (to my knowledge), whether it is a glitch or a hack.

 

I once ran into a guy who had this happening on his Infiltrator.  When I asked him "How do you get your Infiltrator to instantly recloak after being shot or shooting?"  adding, "because my Infiltrator loses its cloak ability after I get shot or fire a shot."  He seemed surprised by that, stating, "what do you mean, this is how the Infiltrator has always behaved."

 

So, we went into a match with just the two of us and played with it.  Sure as fuzz, he could shoot or get shot and his Infil would uncloak for a second, then automatically recloak.  Once he ran out of fuel, the effect was normal and his Infil would have to wait for the ability to cool down.  Obviously, my Infil would uncloak and have to wait for cool-down after firing even one shot or taking any damage.

 

I've also seen the same thing happen on some Predators.

 

Still, although others have observed it too, nobody seems to think it's a cheat/hack... but more likely just a bad bit of code that exists on some peoples accounts.  But, who knows?

 

 

Infiltrator can be shot,boost and dodge while in cloak, that will not break the cloak.

Pred and Infil don't have identical cloak mechanics. It just looks the same.

 

I never saw anything similar regarding buggy cloak usage, except visible weapons bug which is rare anyways.

I don't think there are ability hacks.

Yet.

 

Well, I cannot take damage in my Infil without losing my cloak.  But, and more important to what I was saying, some players can actually shoot while they are cloaked and have the cloak instantly reengage after the shot is fired - they decloak for just a second as they fire, then cloak again automatically without pushing a button.

 

I am well aware of the differences between the Pred and Infil cloak, I just felt like the fact that a similar (not same) ability on another mech has a condition which makes it function strangely for some players could provide some grounds for beginning to explain what BlackWarGreymon witnessed.


To be serious for a moment this is just a joke

 


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I have never seen anyone shooting while cloaked.

Shooting breaks both infil's and pred's cloak.

 

If the pred has Stalker ability ON and he shoots/boosts/dodges he will enter temporary visible mode at which he will be visible to others.

The moment he stops shooting/boosting/dodging there is a 2sec cooldown for it to auto-cloak.

If he takes damage he will be kicked out of the Stalker mode and then has to wait the full 15 sec cooldown to enter Stalker mode again.

 -Heat Charge (generating heat) will put pred in temporary visible mode (2sec cooldown).

 

Infil can take damage while cloaked and it will not break the cloak.

As long as you don't shoot and have plenty of fuel you can make your escape while being shot.

 -Heat Charge (generating heat) will knock out infil's cloak completely.


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