I'd like some citations on this whole "ganging up on people"-business.
They have a PSR of -5.
What does the poopslinger rating mean again? I know it's a joke rating but thats it. I need knowledge.
I'd like some citations on this whole "ganging up on people"-business.
They have a PSR of -5.
What does the poopslinger rating mean again? I know it's a joke rating but thats it. I need knowledge.
I have a lot of ideas and would like some feedback on them:
Suggestions for fixing things:
https://community.pl...of-suggestions/
Suggestions for new things:
hold up. Stop this whole entire thread right now.
XFXFury is QuayJay, a known cheater, troll, and frequent creator of alt accounts.
PrivateFoxy is a duplicate of someone else in this thread.
I have to say I agree here. I have been playing Hawken for years, been lurking on these forums for just as long. I stayed away for these reasons until recently. My experience with my first posts, proved the point here.
It is nice to see that they are finally attempting to get this crowd under control. Perhaps we will start having a community that people feel comfortable posting their opinions.
Stormwalker? Would you like to revise what you consider comfortable?
I'd like some citations on this whole "ganging up on people"-business.
What does the poopslinger rating mean again? I know it's a joke rating but thats it. I need knowledge.
PSR, as well as my comment mentioning it is a joke, like an April Fool's day prank that happened on a day that wasn't April Fools and stuck. It's a pseudo-random number assigned to everyone's account and changes occasionally and means nothing at all. It was implemented by Ashfire908.
This is rich. The only rights any of us here have are the ones reloaded allows you to have. Play nice or you'll get "voted off the island."
I can't see why this is so hard to understand. The only ones not held to the standard of others are those with significantly less power and stature, or those with the most power and stature.
This can be applied to current events in the west with all the racism of lower expectations and with the recent rigging of the primary in the US.
I say this will full knowledge that my post may be removed due to mentioning of racism or politics. That is my choice. I'll take the consequences if there is a chance one or two of you will stop acting like you deserve anything more than what reloaded has given us so far. Honestly they've given us so much more than they had to but many of you, of us still can't see that.
Regardless, I appreciate the job they do and hope they continue to try and make this community a good place.
"One day I will leave this world and dream myself to reality" -- Chief Crazy Horse
"Love is the Law, Love under Will" -- Aleister Crowley
"This is like talking to breakfast cereal" -- Otherland
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Why is it so unreasonable that people would try and make things better?
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Why is it so unreasonable that people would try and make things better?
Because when you have as much power over us as they do and as little incentive to do as we say as they do the path of least resistance becomes exactly how they're handling the ban situation.
Because when you have as much power over us as they do and as little incentive to do as we say as they do the path of least resistance becomes exactly how they're handling the ban situation.
Did you just make my point for me?
Did you just make my point for me?
If your point was to state that what they're doing is exactly how our knowledge of human nature predicts it to happen then,
Yes.
Stormwalker? Would you like to revise what you consider comfortable?
Nope, not at all. I don't care who he is. I agree with the sentiment of the statement. We aren't discussing what he does in game, we are discussing how the community treats people.
The funny thing is the community is doing what they always do. The mods can drop the ban hammer over and and over, it's not going to change the way this community acts. They will never learn.
Edited by Stormwalker42, 31 July 2016 - 02:12 PM.
hold up. Stop this whole entire thread right now.
XFXFury is QuayJay, a known cheater, troll, and frequent creator of alt accounts.
Now your calling me a Troll, Cheater and relating me to some one I don't know?
I think you have proved my point precisely on how toxic this forum gets.
You can not silence me, so now you attack me. Go Figure!
Now your calling me a Troll, Cheater and relating me to some one I don't know?
I think you have proved my point precisely on how toxic this forum gets.
You can not silence me, so now you attack me. Go Figure!
hehehehhehee. I didn't have to make that post at all. You stopped posting. But, I mean, being QuayJay was a fun revelation.
For anyone who doesn't know, she does this with frequency, trying to rustle the jimmies of the community. I'll admit she succeeds on occasion, but in this case you've posted before with this account and used a photobucket/imgur account with an email registered to QuayJay. You had me going there for a little while, but I see what you did there now.
Ifs and Buts. The problem with replacements is that there are none. In a workplace, there are tons of job applicants having already acquired the skills equivalent to that of the person who already holds the position. They can be replaced with no change to workplace ethic. Their co-workers may not be their friends and said co-workers have a reason to stay - their income.
This is not applicable to these forums.
Amid and Merl have no replacement. They will not have a replacement fast enough. There are not enough players. There is not enough time. There is not enough experience. You cannot simply throw several years worth of experience and passion into someone to do the kinds of things they've done. There is no "General Certificate for becoming a Prominent and Important Hawken Community Member" that you can earn.
Even if there was, this is not a workplace. They are our friends. We are a community, not an office block. Even if replacements could be found and changed over within days, you honestly believe that the forums would warm to them? Do you think they would be accepted? Knowing that they had to trample over the remains of who stood before them to get to where they were?
The only reason we have to stay is that this is a community. We get no income from this, just enjoyment. We can leave and stay as we please. We stay because we want to see the game become good. We want to see the game grow and flourish and become what it deserves to be. We have no contract.
As it stands now, it is highly unlikely that HAWKEN will become successful. Therefore, merl and amid will likely never get replacements.
The workplace analogy is invalid.
If's and but's is all we have to go on when it comes to the future of Hawken, unless anyone here is claiming to be a psychic. Hawken was losing players under Merl and Amid's "tenure", it took Reloaded actually DOING something with Hawken to even get the small bump we've seen thus far. Stop getting hung up over the work analogy thing, that was a single line out of my entire post and not THAT integral to what I posted. It's called cherry picking, and it's a weak tactic.
Amid and Merl were at best "community organizers". Their contributions amount to nothing if Reloaded flips a switch and shuts down the servers or had decided to NOT buy Hawken and let it all shut down when ADH/meteor went under. They need Reloaded to be able to make contributions to this game, Reloaded doesn't exactly need them to continue supporting / developing this game. It's nice to have people who obsess over a game and do all they can to draw people in and grow the community, but even THAT is still Reloaded's job. And it's Reloaded that at the end of the day that will make or break Hawken. They are either going to improve it, draw in new players, expand the community and the game itself... or they won't. And they'll do this with or without Amid, Merl, you or me.
Right now, I don't see a sudden drop in the player count looking at the steam charts, there's no mass exodus going on because two people got banned from a game that takes 5 mins to create a new account for free. No fire and brimstone, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria, or any of that noise. Probably a lot of casuals going about their business completely oblivious to the drama going on here.
If Merl and Amid are THAT important, give it some time and Reloaded will be groveling at their feet begging them to come back. ![]()
EDIT: Well, unless everyone makes such a scene that even that possibility is ruled out. ![]()
Edited by ATX22, 31 July 2016 - 03:47 PM.
Right now, I don't see a sudden drop in the player count looking at the steam charts,
its amusing that you think there'd be changes to the steam charts regarding hawken but no, rewind it to 24 months ago
don't mind me, i'm just on a crusade against humanity, by the end of my lifespan earth's population will be 8 billion+ trolls
its amusing that you think there'd be changes to the steam charts regarding hawken but no, rewind it to 24 months ago
That was my point..
I don't know what you're talking about. I started posting a few weeks ago, and it certainly doesn't take years of participating to understand it.
I feel like I am competent enough.
Now, stop trolling. All you do is hurt the community.
dude... a couple weeks ago..

most of us have been having this trouble for YEARS....
so yeah, do yourself a favor,,, shhhhh please and let the GROWN PILOTS say their part
Edited by -TDM- Demitron-Prime, 31 July 2016 - 04:33 PM.
Puck Flinging-Nade Lobbing-Troll Tech

::eoc Pred::Eoc/HC Infil::Vulcanador::Hawkins Tech::EOC Raider::
" I play on north American servers with a 200Ping to give you cry babies a chance"

"Nothing says Good morning Like a well placed Nade"
dude... a couple weeks ago..
most of us have been having this trouble for YEARS....
so yeah, do yourself a favor,,, shhhhh please and let the GROWN PILOTS say their part
You don't know him. You don't know how much he plays the game. How quick you are to judge a stranger of their skill on a forum that is 100% optional to being able to succeed at the game. I'm sure you know because you frequent the TS that there is a very talented top 5 player that has never posted on these forums before? You might not know them by call sign but I guarantee you've interacted with them in some manner.
That's another reason why I think all of this is insane. This forum is completely optional to being able to play and enjoy hawken. If you don't play anymore and decide to instead cause mayhem on the forums and get banned for it good riddance!
(amazed that this limps on for 3 pages or more)
(is not amazed, is amused)
don't mind me, i'm just on a crusade against humanity, by the end of my lifespan earth's population will be 8 billion+ trolls
If everyone who has been here from 2012 left the game you know what will happen...nothing. We are replaceable and not essential to the success of the game. The only value veteran players bring to the bottom line is as beta testers and development funds. I get everyone's frustration Hawken is a special game. Rage against the wrongs all you like justified or not. In the end it will make no difference on how this game turns out.
Not trying to belittle anyone's feelings or opinions, but to get upset about a video game's production/management is useless. This is a business and has to make money. Unfortunately most game makers are programmers and not salespeople and often step over dollars to pick up dimes. We can only wait and see what will happen. In the mean time servers are still up for PC players so we still got that;)
Cheers and don't stress
Hope they reverse the bans
You don't know him. You don't know how much he plays the game. How quick you are to judge a stranger of their skill on a forum that is 100% optional to being able to succeed at the game. I'm sure you know because you frequent the TS that there is a very talented top 5 player that has never posted on these forums before? You might not know them by call sign but I guarantee you've interacted with them in some manner.
That's another reason why I think all of this is insane. This forum is completely optional to being able to play and enjoy hawken. If you don't play anymore and decide to instead cause mayhem on the forums and get banned for it good riddance!
Maybe so dude...
Maybe, but you cant expect to NOT be a part of the community then tell some one that IS.. they dont know fuzzy bunny... I mean really...
Puck Flinging-Nade Lobbing-Troll Tech

::eoc Pred::Eoc/HC Infil::Vulcanador::Hawkins Tech::EOC Raider::
" I play on north American servers with a 200Ping to give you cry babies a chance"

"Nothing says Good morning Like a well placed Nade"
Maybe so dude...
Maybe, but you cant expect to NOT be a part of the community then tell some one that IS.. they dont know fuzzy bunny... I mean really...
I mean, you can. You just shouldn't expect people to take it well or be civil about it.
I mean, you can. You just shouldn't expect people to take it well or be civil about it.
i rest my case :P
Puck Flinging-Nade Lobbing-Troll Tech

::eoc Pred::Eoc/HC Infil::Vulcanador::Hawkins Tech::EOC Raider::
" I play on north American servers with a 200Ping to give you cry babies a chance"

"Nothing says Good morning Like a well placed Nade"
Hope this helps someone. A recovery principle that can certainly be difficult to live by, but helps tremendously when I practice it, which gets easier the more I do:
Clean your side of the street, let everyone else worry about theirs.
Noone can control the actions of others, but we can control our own actions. My own real life experience has borne out that the more I do what I feel to be good -- such as treating others with respect, doing things myself rather than expecting others to and listening to the reasonable voice in my mind rather than the selfish one -- and the less I worry about the actions of others, the better the situations I'm in turn out to be. Even when that may not be the case, I certainly feel a lot better and more secure in my part in those situations.
"One day I will leave this world and dream myself to reality" -- Chief Crazy Horse
"Love is the Law, Love under Will" -- Aleister Crowley
"This is like talking to breakfast cereal" -- Otherland
I'm sure you know because you frequent the TS that there is a very talented top 5 player that has never posted on these forums before?
No there isn't.
No there isn't.
Are they not top 5 anymore? Haven't looked at the leaderboards in ages and probably never will ever again. The person didn't really scrim as far as I know but I played in a match with them a few days ago and practically the entire server was crying hacker as they always do when they or anyone else at that level is around. If you don't know who I'm talking about then I am truly baffled. Anyone who plays casual/competitive outside of scrimming while using the TS should know who they are.
Edited by Flifang, 31 July 2016 - 05:56 PM.
(amazed that this limps on for 3 pages or more)
This dead horse still has some life left in it!
Are they not top 5 anymore? Haven't looked at the leaderboards in ages and probably never will ever again. The person didn't really scrim as far as I know but I played in a match with them a few days ago and practically the entire server was crying hacker as they always do when they or anyone else at that level is around. If you don't know who I'm talking about then I am truly baffled. Anyone who plays casual/competitive outside of scrimming while using the TS should know who they are.
Before Shadeness deactivated the leaderboards, the top 5 were all Omni. Whenever we've been even semi-active, we've occupied the majority of the top 10 slots. Our only player not regularly top ten was 7r1p, largely because he barely played. Excluding Omni, the top players include ClusterBM (and his gokart51 alt), Cond0m, JeffMagnum, and sometimes Merl/Merl's alt. All of those players post regularly on the forums and/or scrim. I'm honestly not certain which player you're referencing.
This is not up for discussion. The rules are there and have been enforced in the past, future and present. No one is exempt from them.
Closing.
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