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False.

We are not content, we are not meant to be consumed, nor are we manufactured. Conflating content and experience is fallacious. TPG is not content, War Wednesdays is not content. They are experiences that use the infrastructure and content of the game. The quality of in-game content and external experiences are measured entirely differently and attempting to regulate, judge or even enjoy either of them by the other's standards is counterproductive.

"Game experience may change during online play," after all.

Ehhhhhhhhhhh.

I think you may be using a more strict definition of content. I don't think you don't understand what Charcoal was saying, and I don't think you think what he's saying is wrong.

Edited by ticklemyiguana, 10 April 2016 - 04:14 PM.

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I thought charcoal was a she?



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Ehhhhhhhhhhh.

 

I think you may be using a more strict definition of content. I don't think you don't understand what Charcoal was saying, and I don't think you think what he's saying is wrong.

 

No, I get it. But I agree with Dermax. It is no individual's responsibility to provide a quality atmosphere of a good game. It just makes them not a douche. Whereas it is a company's responsibility to provide quality content. Otherwise it fails.

 

Look at League. It has what is widely regarded as the single most toxic community on the face of the planet. It's still popular, due in no small part to new shinies every so often. I still have 1k RP that I go back and spend every so often when something I like goes on sale and I haven't played the game outside LANs for three years.

 

In Reloaded's case, content alone isn't going to save the game. They are going to need to massively boost the population. Literally any effort by us will be mediocre and small time and certainly not on the scale that Reloaded will need to realize a profit from their game. Even that mediocre and small scale effort will require organization that no-one in this community has the time or energy for. You know it, I know it and there's an e-mail thread in our inbox that proves it.

 

The maintenance and development of any aspect of a game is not the responsibility of any given player - even the community. That's what community managers are for. We can do what we want, but trying to make what we want be good and trying to pass it off as our responsibility? That's a losing proposition. I'll continue to be The Lord of the Scrubs  and help new players survive and improve, but I'll do it because I want to, not because I have any responsibility to. 


Edited by Amidatelion, 10 April 2016 - 02:09 PM.

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I thought charcoal was a she?

That's not a thing I'd know. Just made the standard assumption.

 

 

 

No, I get it. But I agree with Dermax. It is no individual's responsibility to provide a quality atmosphere of a good game. It just makes them not a douche. Whereas it is a company's responsibility to provide quality content. Otherwise it fails.

 

Look at League. It has what is widely regarded as the single most toxic community on the face of the planet. It's still popular, due in no small part to new shinies every so often. I still have 1k RP that I go back and spend every so often when something I like goes on sale and I haven't played the game outside LANs for three years.

 

In Reloaded's case, content alone isn't going to save the game. They are going to need to massively boost the population. Literally any effort by us will be mediocre and small time and certainly not on the scale that Reloaded will need to realize a profit from their game. Even that mediocre and small scale effort will require organization that no-one in this community has the time or energy for. You know it, I know it and there's an e-mail thread in our inbox that proves it.

 

The maintenance and development of any aspect of a game is not the responsibility of any given player - even the community. That's what community managers are for. We can do what we want, but trying to make what we want be good and trying to pass it off as our responsibility? That's a losing proposition. I'll continue to be The Lord of the Scrubs  and help new players survive and improve, but I'll do it because I want to, not because I have any responsibility to. 

I'm not positive the two sentiments are really at odd with each other.

 

My interpretation is that players are part of the user's experience just as much as the game itself. I honestly have no clue how League works, I've never played it and have no idea what the community is like beyond hearsay - but I think it'd be a bad argument to say that because League gets away with it, Hawken can too.


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Nope, I'm a he

 

And yeah, I think players are part of the experience, esp in a PvP game


Edited by Charcoal, 10 April 2016 - 03:03 PM.


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Goddammit ganja.

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Definitely a good video.  Thank you for sharing.



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Definitely a good video.  Thank you for sharing.

Why is the hamster on your profile pic/avatar/whatever it's called, bleeding from the eye?


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Why is the hamster on your profile pic/avatar/whatever it's called, bleeding from the eye?


Dallas, for the love of Mike crying out loud on the front porch, please PM that hamster with questions like this. Also, this thread has been moving quite well along the topic that OP has carried. Can we keep it that way? K thx bai
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Dallas, for the love of Mike crying out loud on the front porch, please PM that hamster with questions like this. Also, this thread has been moving quite well along the topic that OP has carried. Can we keep it that way? K thx bai

K, I forgot that PM exists


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False.

We are not content, we are not meant to be consumed, nor are we manufactured. Conflating content and experience is fallacious. TPG is not content, War Wednesdays is not content. They are experiences that use the infrastructure and content of the game. The quality of in-game content and external experiences are measured entirely differently and attempting to regulate, judge or even enjoy either of them by the other's standards is counterproductive.

"Game experience may change during online play," after all.


The gamers in a PVP game are part of the content since you need at minimum 2 people present so they each have something to shoot at (dm). Otherwise, you're playing against bots (PVE) or using Hawken as a glorified walking simulator. Call it the experience if you want, but no / toxic gamers still nets you a bad experience regardless the label you use.
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didnt watch the video. dont care to. probably just more cry baby whining. hawken is an online only multiplayer arena shooter. you come here to shoot other players. if people are leaving because their wittle baby feelings got hurt from losing in a game then good riddance. remember when K/D was actually visible on the scoreboard? guess who got it removed. thats right crybaby nubs who got tummy cramps because abloobloobloo hes got bigger numbers than me mommy! so sure lets continue to cater to the F2P crowd that just googles the latest free game and doesnt spend a dime. what a crock.


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didnt watch the video. dont care to. probably just more cry baby whining. hawken is an online only multiplayer arena shooter. you come here to shoot other players. if people are leaving because their wittle baby feelings got hurt from losing in a game then good riddance. remember when K/D was actually visible on the scoreboard? guess who got it removed. thats right crybaby nubs who got tummy cramps because abloobloobloo hes got bigger numbers than me mommy! so sure lets continue to cater to the F2P crowd that just googles the latest free game and doesnt spend a dime. what a crock.

What the? 

 

Are you a Trump delegate? 

LOL



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Using "abloobloobloo" for my crying onomatopoeia from this point onwards.


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What the? 

 

Are you a Trump delegate? 

LOL

 

wow..... imagine if he was a democrat, and you said that to him....



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wow..... imagine if he was a democrat, and you said that to him....

' crybaby nubs who got tummy cramps because abloobloobloo'

 

Trump Tone™

 

;D


Edited by Charcoal, 11 April 2016 - 11:17 PM.


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 what a crock.

 

I'm offended! 


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<inserts a comment that could be deemed offend-able....  >

 

<pure kind senses takes over and removes that derailing, negative, and hostile comment>

 

commence cleansing.....



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<inserts a comment that could be deemed offend-able....  >

 

<pure kind senses takes over and removes that derailing, negative, and hostile comment>

 

commence cleansing.....

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I'm offended! 

 

abloobloobloobloo


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im not a panda.......  But don't get it twisted, it's not a plea that I'm coppin'
I'm just willin' to be the bigger man
If ya'll can quit poppin' off at the jaws, well then I can
Cause frankly I'm sick of talkin'
I'm not gonna let someone else's coffin rest on my conscience cause


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...remember when K/D was actually visible on the scoreboard? guess who got it removed.

 

And here I thought it was because morons in MA and Siege played those game modes like TDM.


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And here I thought it was because morons in MA and Siege played those game modes like TDM.

 

why you mad, you don't even play hawken


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Jus watchin da entertainment

 

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<millions of thoughts and feelings inserted here>.........



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didnt watch the video. dont care to. probably just more cry baby whining. hawken is an online only multiplayer arena shooter. you come here to shoot other players. if people are leaving because their wittle baby feelings got hurt from losing in a game then good riddance. remember when K/D was actually visible on the scoreboard? guess who got it removed. thats right crybaby nubs who got tummy cramps because abloobloobloo hes got bigger numbers than me mommy! so sure lets continue to cater to the F2P crowd that just googles the latest free game and doesnt spend a dime. what a crock.


That or people are getting slaughtered in game all while Hawken is holding their hand (mm, auto-balance, XP unlocks, Reloaded only servers, etc) giving them the impression of / expectation for a controlled utopian 100% fair and equal experience.
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this game will never be balanced; like how we will never beat the best street fighter 4 player.

 

the best player in the game is the one who wins the game. and all the other 11 subjects are left theorycrafting as to why it resulted like that.



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why you mad, you don't even play hawken

 

I was mad?



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Nope, I'm a he

Or you have one of the deepest female voices I've heard in a long time :teehee:


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