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This is in response to Tickle's thread. 

 

I agree. 

 

Merl and Amid are passionate about and HUGE SUPPORTERS of HAWKEN.

 

Banning them  upsets me and is bad for the game. 

 

I too was given a short ban after two of my posts were deleted and then I called out Tiggs for doing so. 

 

Reloaded obviously does not give two farts about the community. 

 

This is about the money.

 

They don't seem to grasp that in the long run they could make more by being decent to the people that are willing to support them.

 

It's a sad time for us bros. 


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No, bt! Nooo!

 

I don't support some of the decisions, and I definitely 100% want greater transparency in how things are handled, but don't go and get yourself banned!

 

Edit:

 

To the moderator/s who wind up with this thread in their laps, can you please consider the fact that there are a lot of disgruntled community members right now, and trying to shut them out is going to be a bit like playing whack-a-mole? Instead, can we please just flip the paradigm? Could you perhaps, perhaps, give us a space to discuss how the community wants to be managed? A little bit of self determination? We don't want anarchy, we've handled ourselves without any moderation whatsoever in the past - between ADH and RLD, could you grant us space to discuss how we'd like to move forward, and potentially, when that's established, give the people who've blundered a clean slate?

 

That's a lot of question marks.


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If you don't like the moderation on the forums you can always make use of reddit.com/r/hawken.

 

I doubt the daycare moderation is going anywhere.


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I'm shocked both Amid and Merl, two pillars of the community are gone. 

 

What's the point of staying?

 

They obviously don't give a fuzzy bunny about us, and it's upsetting to be treated like sh*t. 

 

I'm not five. I don't like to have my non-threatening / non-abusive posts deleted (as two were for suggesting merging the art / media/ clan boards) and then being banned for calling out the behavior. 

 

And now you ban two of the games BIGGEST supporters. Pillars of the community. Two players that have gone out of their way to support hawken FOR YEARS!

 

Ridiculous. Ban me. i don't care. 

 

YOU WIN. HAVE A NICE DAY!

 

Thanks for ruining an amazing game and community. 

 

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For the record, I guess as a means to stake my previous point, the guy you've gotten to this point is the very same as is found here:

 

https://community.pl...ry-de-badtings/

 

This is a guy who's been ridiculously supportive of this community and this game. I'm not saying that's an excuse, but your actions are pushing the people that care about this game away, and you kinda sorta probably should consider whether or not that's what you want.

 

I mean. I am still totally, completely in love with this thing here:

 

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If you don't like the moderation on the forums you can always make use of reddit.com/r/hawken.

 

I doubt the daycare moderation is going anywhere.

I'm pissed. It's obvious they're scared about what we'd say to the xbox / ps4 community, but to sh*t on the community, just kills any love I have for these people and sadly for such an amazing game. 


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Seven dropping in to rain on your parade.   :nuke:
 
I'm glad to be here and support the moderators around a forum that I truly enjoy. Reloaded is doing a good job on keeping some toxic community members at bay. I have no tears for those who are gone, all it makes is this place a safe space again without the constant bullying and the spam by single image posts as in your very sig, Badtings.

 

Play the martyr all you like, I hope they permaban you for your outright demagogy and misleading of the community. :thumbsup:
 
 


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What is this?

 

Has too big to fail become "To big to ban on the hawken forums".

 

EDIT: It feels like that is what you guys are demanding that cause someone really realllyyyyyy supports the game that they should not be treated the same as any other person under the rules.

 

Considering how many threads have been poo pooed by merl and amid I think they deserve what has come to em. Just my view on the matter. 


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Seven dropping in to rain on your parade.   :nuke:
 
I'm glad to be here and support the moderators around a forum that I truly enjoy. Reloaded is doing a good job on keeping some toxic community members at bay. I have no tears for those who are gone, all it makes is this place a safe space again without the constant bullying and the spam by single image posts as in your very sig, Badtings.

 

Play the martyr all you like, I hope they permaban you for your outright demagogy and misleading of the community. :thumbsup:
 
 

You have no idea what you're talking about. 

 

This has nothing to do with what you're referring to. If i didn't know better, I'd think this was a 'PR' plant.

 

What I am speaking about is' two of the BIGGEST supporters of this game. Two people that conducted interviews w/devs and ran nights for other players and otherwise supported the game for years have been banned.

 

These are NOT toxic people. They are not trolls. 

 

You're out of your element and should really read other posts prior to posting so you don't come off as ignorant.


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When people that are passionate supporters or something are treated like garbage by the thing they support, what's the point?

 

I ain't no beaten dog. 

 

This is BS. 

 

Tiggs / reloaded / Capt josh / whomever has decided to censor / ban these people that have supported THEIR PRODUCT for years. Waited through all the ambiguous /false promises of GREAT THINGS coming. 

 

For this.

 

I'm pissed. You should be too. 


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I don't know what you're talking about. I started posting a few weeks ago, and it certainly doesn't take years of participating to understand it.
I feel like I am competent enough.

Now, stop trolling. All you do is hurt the community.
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When people that are passionate supporters or something are treated like garbage by the thing they support, what's the point?

 

I ain't no beaten dog. 

 

This is BS. 

 

Tiggs / reloaded / Capt josh / whomever has decided to censor / ban these people that have supported THEIR PRODUCT for years. Waited through all the ambiguous /false promises of GREAT THINGS coming. 

 

For this.

 

I'm pissed. You should be too. 

If they say garbage it is treated like garbage, it is a simple concept. Regardless of how supportive or "right" you think it is, if it breaks the rules or is toxic, regardless of how they act as pillars of the community outside the forums. They will get banned. 

 

Its a shame, but the fact that they are "pillars" really has little to do with it. 


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You can go through this forum and see Toxic Bile being spilled everywhere. I think what the moderation team has done, was the appropriate decision and one that appears to be long over due.

 

It has been my opinion for a long time that this community has become Toxic in the wake of all we have endured. Its time for some resolve from the development team. It is time people start respecting each other again.

 

The derogatory statements made to and about each other on these forums and In Game, contribute enormously to the decline in player base on the PC.

 

To many people have run around with their foot in their mouth with no one to pull it out for them, for quite a long time. Most in this community think they are some Key Board Cowboy "I Am The Law" mentality and it is ridiculous.

 

I hope this is the start of finally connecting the community in a positive way

 

Lord knows we need all the help we can get.


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I don't know what you're talking about. I started posting a few weeks ago, and it certainly doesn't take years of participating to understand it.
I feel like I am competent enough.

Now, stop trolling. All you do is hurt the community.

You're obviously working for reloaded and a 'non-person' I will no longer be responding to your posts. 


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 Its time for some resolve from the development team. It is time people start respecting each other again.

 

I hope this is the start of finally connecting the community in a positive way

 

Lord knows we need all the help we can get.

Exactly!

 

I think you're just a wee bit mistaken in how that's achieved.


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If they say garbage it is treated like garbage, it is a simple concept. Regardless of how supportive or "right" you think it is, if it breaks the rules or is toxic, regardless of how they act as pillars of the community outside the forums. They will get banned. 

 

Its a shame, but the fact that they are "pillars" really has little to do with it.

The people you're referring to as garbage, are two people that kept the game you're playing around. 

 

Games live and die w/their community. These people made the game better and more fun for others. 

 

To call them 'garbage' or 'toxic' is ridiculous and you don't have all the evidence. I've been here for two years. I think I have an understanding of what's going on.

 

I was banned for (without bile or malice) suggesting that the ART / MEDIA / CLANS / HELP be desegregated. It makes sense, so that ALL players no matter the platform can see what other players are doing and thus make the playerbase seem LARGER. 

 

Community makes or brakes games.

 

Merl and Amid deserve better. 


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When people that are passionate supporters or something are treated like garbage by the thing they support, what's the point?

 

I ain't no beaten dog. 

 

This is BS. 

 

Tiggs / reloaded / Capt josh / whomever has decided to censor / ban these people that have supported THEIR PRODUCT for years. Waited through all the ambiguous /false promises of GREAT THINGS coming. 

 

For this.

 

I'm pissed. You should be too. 

 

 

This is becoming tiresome.  I'm still waiting for all this predicted doom and gloom to occur because of two people being banned.  ADH/meteor are gone, the days of the "good ol boy" system is apparently over.  You can no longer be too popular to ban.  Reloaded, from what I've seen thus far does not respond as ADH/meteor did to community member temper tantrums.  If Amid and Merl are so dang blasted integral to Hawken, then you won't have to do ANYTHING but sit back and watch Hawken implode rather than all this e-pouting.  


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You're obviously working for reloaded and a 'non-person' I will no longer be responding to your posts. 

 I suppose I am working for reloaded as well? And am also a "non-person"? 

 

*shakes head* Look, it feels like your just being silly on purpose at this point. Overall, I have been hoping for more moderation from the devs for a long time now, cause what happens in the forums has felt silly quite often.

 

A bit like now. 


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I'm pissed. You should be too. 

 

It's weird, really isn't it?

 

The forums have somehow managed to turn from a relatively friendly, albeit argumentative and childish at times, environment to one where people are scared to talk about a handful of topics for fear of being banned. I know there would be more people here if they weren't scared of having their accounts banned.

 

Regardless of whether Tiggs' and the new "mech mods" decision to ban the pair of them were correct, the community response has clearly shown that the method that they've gone about doing so, and moderating the forums in general, has been sub-par in the communities eyes, to say the least. 

 

 

It is time people start respecting each other again.

 

I hope this is the start of finally connecting the community in a positive way

 

Lord knows we need all the help we can get.

 

Ah yes, because respect can be magically granted and totally isn't earned. /s

 

Of course, all communities are made positive not by the inclusion of people and ideas, allowing for a widespread discussion of the future from varying points of view, but by forcibly ejecting key components of said community and removing opposing ideologies wherever they may appear.

 

You're not wrong with the last point. The forums are indeed in a bad place, and an act of god may be required to fix them.

 

If Amid and Merl are so dang blasted integral to Hawken, then you won't have to do ANYTHING but sit back and watch Hawken implode rather than all this e-pouting.  

 

Precisely! None of us here want to see HAWKEN go down the drain, we are a part of the "HAWKEN Community" after all, which is why the Merl/Amid situation is so frustrating because they're so important.

 

We don't want their work, or any of ours, to be in vain. Who wants to play a game with a dead community? 


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You can go through this forum and see Toxic Bile being spilled everywhere. I think what the moderation team has done, was the appropriate decision and one that appears to be long over due.

 

It has been my opinion for a long time that this community has become Toxic in the wake of all we have endured. Its time for some resolve from the development team. It is time people start respecting each other again.

 

The derogatory statements made to and about each other on these forums and In Game, contribute enormously to the decline in player base on the PC.

 

To many people have run around with their foot in their mouth with no one to pull it out for them, for quite a long time. Most in this community think they are some Key Board Cowboy "I Am The Law" mentality and it is ridiculous.

 

I hope this is the start of finally connecting the community in a positive way

 

Lord knows we need all the help we can get.

You have 17 posts. You don't know either of these people. 

 

What would you know of this situation, or the two people that have been playing for over two years?

 

These aren't people that harass others. They're ardent supporters of this game. One I'm going to assume you at least 'like'.

 

They kept this 'mofo' going so you could post here. 

 

FFS


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Exactly!

 

I think you're just a wee bit mistaken in how that's achieved.

 

 

I know exactly how that is achieved.

 

By taking out the Garbage  :thumbsup:



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The people you're referring to as garbage, are two people that kept the game you're playing around. 

 

Games live and die w/their community. These people made the game better and more fun for others. 

 

To call them 'garbage' or 'toxic' is ridiculous and you don't have all the evidence. I've been here for two years. I think I have an understanding of what's going on.

 

I was banned for (without bile or malice) suggesting that the ART / MEDIA / CLANS / HELP be desegregated. It makes sense, so that ALL players no matter the platform can see what other players are doing and thus make the playerbase seem LARGER. 

 

Community makes or brakes games.

 

Merl and Amid deserve better. 

I have been "here" since 2012, but regardless how long you have been "here" is not exactly important. 

 

Firstly, I did not call them toxic and garbage, I said they sometimes have posted toxic garbage. There is a difference. Secondly I have interacted with both players before on the forums, and have seen how they have acted for a long time. I am sure they are good people, and I do know they host many events, but that does not change the fact that I think they have acted badly on the forums and broke rules that lead to a ban, and that is all that matters in talking about why they were banned from the forums.

 

Literally all this other stuff about them deserving better or anything about them being pillars or ideals about community does not matter. I do not care how many people rubbed shoulders with merl or amid.  


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This is becoming tiresome.  I'm still waiting for all this predicted doom and gloom to occur because of two people being banned.  ADH/meteor are gone, the days of the "good ol boy" system is apparently over.  You can no longer be too popular to ban.  Reloaded, from what I've seen thus far does not respond as ADH/meteor did to community member temper tantrums.  If Amid and Merl are so dang blasted integral to Hawken, then you won't have to do ANYTHING but sit back and watch Hawken implode rather than all this e-pouting.  

I think you're missing the point. It's not a popularity contest. It's the fact that people are getting banned in an inconsistent manner for voicing opinions on how the community they've been a part of for years should be run. The punishments are often, though not always, disproportionate to the "crime" and the moderating style is pushing people who are passionate about the game away.

 

At the very, very, very least, they're attempting to impose a completely new style of moderation with minimal to no warning or consideration of the previous states of the game and community. In short, it's just a real shoddy job so far. I would think that that's something they'd like to improve on, and to be fair, in a recent thread, Mod4 encouraged criticism of the system, so long as it was done in a reasonable manner. I could be wrong, but no one's saying the removal of two people is going to collapse the game.

 

 

I know exactly how that is achieved.

 

By taking out the Garbage  :thumbsup:

 

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This is becoming tiresome.  I'm still waiting for all this predicted doom and gloom to occur because of two people being banned.  ADH/meteor are gone, the days of the "good ol boy" system is apparently over.  You can no longer be too popular to ban.  Reloaded, from what I've seen thus far does not respond as ADH/meteor did to community member temper tantrums.  If Amid and Merl are so dang blasted integral to Hawken, then you won't have to do ANYTHING but sit back and watch Hawken implode rather than all this e-pouting.  

""good ol boy" system"?

 

I don't have time for your personal beefs. Nor do I care. 

 

My beef is not JUST about Merl and Amid being banned. 

 

I was banned for banal suggestions and while that was annoying and I was fine no longer posting... this has gone too far. 

 

I don't know you, and to say I'm 'e-pouting' and diminish what I'm saying is rude and I don't appreciate it. 

 

I hope that one day, when you care about something. You're passionate enough to take the time to support something. 

 

Some asshat (yes you) posts something as ignorant as what you just did. 


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Literally all this other stuff about them deserving better or anything about them being pillars or ideals about community does not matter. I do not care how many people rubbed shoulders with merl or amid.  

 

Let me shift the conversation, then.

 

I think the issue isn't banning Merl or Amid.  It's one of censorship (which is within the rules of the forum) and our perception of a concerted effort to whitewash the community despite the community's desires.

 

To me, my opinion, this has a feel like Marketing thinks we're inconvenient and embarrassing, but that Development and the Business want to keep PC Hawken.  It would seem to fit the observation, but I don't want to mislead anyone: draw your own conclusions.

 

I want to play Hawken.  I would like to play the improved client and server builds we hear about.  I would like to keep my 'cred' in the forum.  I do not want the forums to be censored/whitewashed in some Disney-esque fashion.


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I think you're missing the point. It's not a popularity contest. It's the fact that people are getting banned in an inconsistent manner for voicing opinions on how the community they've been a part of for years should be run. The punishments are often, though not always, disproportionate to the "crime" and the moderating style is pushing people who are passionate about the game away.

 

At the very, very, very least, they're attempting to impose a completely new style of moderation with minimal to no warning or consideration of the previous states of the game and community. In short, it's just a real shoddy job so far. I would think that that's something they'd like to improve on, and to be fair, in a recent thread, Mod4 encouraged criticism of the system, so long as it was done in a reasonable manner. I could be wrong, but no one's saying the removal of two people is going to collapse the game.

 

 

 

2edgy4me

 

 

In a way I have to agree with you here. I have a good example to =)

 

A few weeks ago I was talking to RunaPanda, you know the "Notorious Hacker" that we been dealing with for like 8 months now.

 

Anyways, she said she was permanently banned for trying out a hack. At 1st I was like "Well glad they caught you" but as she kept talking I began to understand more. She didn't think it was fair that she was permanently banned. She said she would have gladly stopped after a 1 or 2 week ban because she got caught. Now she says she don't care one way or the other.

 

Its kinda sad to think about how a lot of situations are handled. We as a community have delt with a game breaking hacker for months now, while we are left with no way to deal with it. She spouts off stuff in game about "They already took everything away from me that they could, what are they going to do? Ban me? Oh no, I will spend 24 seconds making a new account.

 

My point is maybe you are right, maybe the punishments around here don't fit the crime. 

 

Then again, its Reloaded's world, we are just living in it  :wallbash:


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I know exactly how that is achieved.

 

By taking out the Garbage  :thumbsup:

 

 

 

A few weeks ago I was talking to RunaPanda

How disingenuous.


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The HAMMER of JUSTICE was brought down upon the forums......and the tears followed.

 

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People thought they where immune but bam.

 

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In a way I have to agree with you here. I have a good example to =)

 

A few weeks ago I was talking to RunaPanda, you know the "Notorious Hacker" that we been dealing with for like 8 months now.

 

Anyways, she said she was permanently banned for trying out a hack. At 1st I was like "Well glad they caught you" but as she kept talking I began to understand more. She didn't think it was fair that she was permanently banned. She said she would have gladly stopped after a 1 or 2 week ban because she got caught. Now she says she don't care one way or the other.

 

Its kinda sad to think about how a lot of situations are handled. We as a community have delt with a game breaking hacker for months now, while we are left we no way to deal with it. She spouts off stuff in game about "They already took everything away from me that they could, what are they going to do? Ban me? Oh no, I will spend 24 seconds making a new account.

 

My point is maybe you are right, maybe the punishments around here don't fit the crime. 

 

Then again, its Reloaded's world, we are just living in it  :wallbash:

 

Equating the ban of a verified, confessed cheater to the ban of two people who each by themselves have (note HAVE, not HAD) more pull in the community than the entire combined staff of Reloaded is not exactly a fair comparison.


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If they say garbage it is treated like garbage, it is a simple concept. Regardless of how supportive or "right" you think it is, if it breaks the rules or is toxic, regardless of how they act as pillars of the community outside the forums. They will get banned. 

 

Its a shame, but the fact that they are "pillars" really has little to do with it. 

Yes you did. You implied that very thing. 

 

You obviously have an issue w/both of them. 

 

That's fine. Leave me out of it.

 

I have stated this is NOT just about them. I too have been treated like an asshat and I have done nothing but support this game (one that I love).

 

They may have upset you, as you seem to have a combative personality, i'm sure that stung. 

 

However, when it comes to games (this, and any mulitplayer) the community and those that seek to help support it are paramount. These games live and die w/their player base.

 

Once you begin banning those people and censoring them you lose assets. People that talk about your game, that make videos (merl) that host events (Amid) keep the game going. 

 

It's a bad decision and it's dumb. Again, it would seem that one (and or both) have spanked you down at some point. And I can't change that, nor do I give two shits about your opinion as you're simply an agitator and most likely deserved whatever they said. 

 

I will state for the record... this is NOT just about those two being banned (although it's upsetting). It's about how the community (even you, since you've been here since 2012, and it DOES matter) has been treated.

 

I'm done. 


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Equating the ban of a verified, confessed cheater to the ban of two people who each by themselves have (note HAVE, not HAD) more pull in the community than the entire combined staff of Reloaded is not exactly a fair comparison.

How so? They both made a mistake, they were both handed the justified punishment in accordance with the rules!

 

Seems pretty Black and White to me <<


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""good ol boy" system"?

 

I don't have time for your personal beefs. Nor do I care. 

 

My beef is not JUST about Merl and Amid being banned. 

 

I was banned for banal suggestions and while that was annoying and I was fine no longer posting... this has gone too far. 

 

I don't know you, and to say I'm 'e-pouting' and diminish what I'm saying is rude and I don't appreciate it. 

 

I hope that one day, when you care about something. You're passionate enough to take the time to support something. 

 

Some asshat (yes you) posts something as ignorant as what you just did. 

 

Call me names, sure, that's really going help your "cause".  I've been around more or less since CB2, even now, I've yet to be warned, punished, banned, or otherwise reprimanded for my behavior here.  That could easily change, but I at least try not to cross the line when posting, and I do try to avoid crossing into any grey areas, like this thread, for the most part.  Since I've been here, I've seen rules broken time and again, and punishment or lack thereof varied based upon how.. well liked someone was.  Frankly, that's not something I really even care about anymore, but I see people here, you included acting like ADH/meteor or as it was during the great silence, the community itself policing this place.. please realize that's NOT THE CASE anymore.

 

You're e-pouting because you're throwing a temper tantrum on the forums, one that you're apparently bound and determined to make as public as possible by throwing it up for all to read on RELOADED's message board.  So, if you get yourself banned, then what?  Mission accomplished?  Or do you think you're going to twist Reloaded's arm enough that they capitulate and reinstate Amid and Merl for.. however long that lasts?  Seriously, what's your end-game plan here?

 

Sad thing is, outside these forums, who's going to care a month from now?  A year? 

 

EDIT: Oh and:

 

I hope that one day, when you care about something. You're passionate enough to take the time to support something.

 

You assume much, but do realize that while I'm not happy with how Hawken has been treated, I AM HERE, aren't I.. I'm just not so bold as to pick fights with the owners of all things Hawken.


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This is not going to go well...


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You're e-pouting because you're throwing a temper tantrum on the forums, one that you're apparently bound and determined to make as public as possible by throwing it up for all to read on RELOADED's message board.  So, if you get yourself banned, then what?  Mission accomplished?  Or do you think you're going to twist Reloaded's arm enough that they capitulate and reinstate Amid and Merl for.. however long that lasts?  Seriously, what's your end-game plan here?

I can't speak for bt personally, but I think the clean slate for all forum violators and discussion on the future moderation and management of the forums would be a satisfactory start for most of the people complaining about this stuff. Many bans and warning points have been picked up on account of not really understanding how the current moderating system works, or at the very least, being used to something completely different. People adapt at different rates. A lack of real communication and a short timeline in terms of moderation seem to have really agitated that.


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I can't speak for bt personally, but I think the clean slate for all forum violators and discussion on the future moderation and management of the forums would be a satisfactory start for most of the people complaining about this stuff. Many bans and warning points have been picked up on account of not really understanding how the current moderating system works, or at the very least, being used to something completely different. People adapt at different rates. A lack of real communication and a short timeline in terms of moderation seem to have really agitated that.

 

 

So bend the rules this one time because your buddies got caught breaking them, then we can go back to legitimate enforcement?

 

That is basically what you are saying right?



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Call me names, sure, that's really going help your "cause".  I've been around more or less since CB2, even now, I've yet to be warned, punished, banned, or otherwise reprimanded for my behavior here.  That could easily change, but I at least try not to cross the line when posting, and I do try to avoid crossing into any grey areas, like this thread, for the most part.  Since I've been here, I've seen rules broken time and again, and punishment or lack thereof varied based upon how.. well liked someone was.  Frankly, that's not something I really even care about anymore, but I see people here, you included acting like ADH/meteor or as it was during the great silence, the community itself policing this place.. please realize that's NOT THE CASE anymore.

 

You're e-pouting because you're throwing a temper tantrum on the forums, one that you're apparently bound and determined to make as public as possible by throwing it up for all to read on RELOADED's message board.  So, if you get yourself banned, then what?  Mission accomplished?  Or do you think you're going to twist Reloaded's arm enough that they capitulate and reinstate Amid and Merl for.. however long that lasts?  Seriously, what's your end-game plan here?

 

Sad thing is, outside these forums, who's going to care a month from now?  A year? 

Just calling it like i see it. You're an asshat and you have a personal beef w/one or both those guys. 

 

I don't care about your beef and I don't see this as life important stuff. 

 

However I don't like being treated like an fuzzy bunny, and reloaded has done exactly that.

 

Also, if I don't post on the forums, where should I? You're posting here. You're an asshat and you get to talk about 'the good ol boys club' whatever that was. 

 

I mostly avoid posting, as I don't like to spend too much time on stuff that isn't too important, however I again, i don't like it when I or other's i respect are being treated poorly. 

 

hence my post(s).

 

I think you'll see that I almost NEVER spend time doing this sort of thing, so as Tickle has pointed out, I am at the end of my patience. 

 

I do not think Tiggs / Josh cares if I get banned or not. I don't think i carry any more weight than you, as far as importance goes.

 

After being banned for posting suggestions and about how my posts were being deleted, I think they'd have no problem banning me, and I'm fine w/ it

 

I've spent my time and had a lot of fun. Met some nice people and it would appear it's about time to move on. 

 

I will not be posting anything else in this thread. I have stuff to make and things to do. 

 

Enjoy and may your guns stay cool.

 

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Sad thing is, outside these forums, who's going to care a month from now?  A year? 

 

No-one is. That's an issue in itself. The way the forums are headed, there won't be much of a community left in a years time, which becomes an issue of the blind leading the blind when it comes to development. We don't want to see the game fail, or for reloaded to shoot themselves in the foot again. If every prominent community member does however much it takes to earn a ban and not just warning points - which is the issue, inconsistent and unspecified moderation - who will be left to guide new players? Why should they stick around playing a game that has no end goal?


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So bend the rules this one time because your buddies got caught breaking them, then we can go back to legitimate enforcement?

 

That is basically what you are saying right?

No. Communicate. As was brought up in another thread, I was guaranteed that the enforcement of rules would be done so with discretion and communication. That end of the bargain has fallen through and the community is paying the price.


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 I was guaranteed that the enforcement of rules would be done so with discretion and communication. 

 

Oh, you mean the "Good Ol Boys Club"

 

Well you should have just said so  :wallbash:



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So bend the rules this one time because your buddies got caught breaking them, then we can go back to legitimate enforcement?

 

That is basically what you are saying right?

 

He's saying there should be a clean wipe because the moderation is inconsistent and unclear at best. What earns you a ban and what just gets you warning points are areas that are very in-the-dark. Why should the same issue in slightly different circumstances give completely different crimes?

 

It's like two people stealing a loaf of bread in 2 different towns a few miles apart, one of them gets a slap on the wrist and the other gets executed, but the same authority and laws apply in both. How would one know he would be executed? How would one know he would only get a slap on the wrist? There's no distinction. Also, the fact we can't talk about how the forums are being treated for fear of being banned is an issue in itself. We can't talk about important issues because we don't know if we'll be slapped on the wrist or executed. We don't even know what classes as "excessive", so who's to say a punishment will be handed out in the first place?

 

How can you, 100% of the time, abide to rules that are unclear?

 

Where is the line in the sand?


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