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So are the bullets (Supposed to be at the very least 20mm shells at this scale) still hitscan?

Do the bullets (20M SHELLS) still fly in a straight line (like no gravity exists?)

Do the HEAT cannon shells still fly in a straight line and have... multicolor tracers?

 

I have a feeling I won't be back for another 2 years but I like to check up on you guys once in at least that timeframe  :tongue:


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This is Hawken, where a gravity-defying mineral is used to keep mechs 2-3 stories high nimble as ballerinas. Gravity doesn't make sense here. 


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So are the bullets (Supposed to be at the very least 20mm shells at this scale) still hitscan?

Do the bullets (20M SHELLS) still fly in a straight line (like no gravity exists?)

Do the HEAT cannon shells still fly in a straight line and have... multicolor tracers?

 

This is the future, your weapons automatically compensate for distance and your HUD makes the tracers look like they're going in straight lines so as to not confuse you.


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This is the future, your weapons automatically compensate for distance and your HUD makes the tracers look like they're going in straight lines so as to not confuse you.

 

I was going to go with "HEAT projectile has a cavorite core and thus is effectively weightless"

 

Also the slug/sabots use quantum tunneling to fire the bullet through time, so the impact actually occurs a few microseconds before you pull the trigger.


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I was going to go with "HEAT projectile has a cavorite core and thus is effectively weightless"


Coherent burst of photons. Heats the surface it hits to spray hot plasma in a big bloom.


Also the slug/sabots use quantum tunneling to fire the bullet through time, so the impact actually occurs a few microseconds before you pull the trigger.


Actually, the predictive impact is 2ns/m, as advertised in Prosk's M2408 spec sheet.
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seems perfect to me.

 

maybe my perception on the current world is twisted and distorted.  my apologies



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I always figured the smaller guns in Hawken were .50s. The mechs really aren't -that- big. Similarly, the engagement ranges are really quite small.

 

I hear what this guy's saying though.



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just imagine relaistic shooting.. damage for different parts etc. etc.



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DOES IT NOT BOTHER ANYONE THAT EVERY WORD IN THE THREAD TITLE IS MISSPELLED

I like going against the best of any game I play. Helps you in the long run n motivates u to do more. Always room for improvement not failure

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czerofive-Today at 2:22 AM > got banned from playing lazertag - I used a knife to conserve ammo

FIRST OFF WHAT THE FUZZ IS A "SHILL"


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DOES IT NOT BOTHER ANYONE THAT EVERY WORD IN THE THREAD TITLE IS MISSPELLED

I'm containing the irritation... FOR NOW!


 

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These are best new wepawn in gaem:

 

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To be serious for a moment this is just a joke

 


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Guys you better snap the frack out of your fantasy land and get your head out of your arses. There is only a limited time where you will get constructive feature suggestions from wandering forum vagrants before your game vanishes into the void and this is how you answer to it; oh the title is misspelled ha ha ha, Hawken isn't real etc etc. You better bet your asses that's how you'll kill the remains of your game because that's exactly what's going to happen. The title is mild clickbait buffoonery, but the intention was for a good cause (you know, to attract readers, common think already!!!) If the game doesn't change its strategy (look/feel/atmosphere) then it's pretty much game over and that means you guys will have to move on. Or you could start being open-minded to suggestions posted by people trying to change the game for the better, translating into new Youtube videos being uploaded and bringing in new curious players resulting in a new chance for Hawken. You can give Hawken a new chance every day, or you can shut down on yourself and let your game keep the same redundant strategy that has gone on for 3 years.

 

The choice is yours.



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What are my choices again?  Can someone make a poll to see the communities preferred choices?


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What are my choices again? Can someone make a poll to see the communities preferred choices?

1. This
2. That

And you can't beat that with a bat.

Edited by (TDM)coldform, 15 February 2016 - 11:04 AM.

I like going against the best of any game I play. Helps you in the long run n motivates u to do more. Always room for improvement not failure

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czerofive-Today at 2:22 AM > got banned from playing lazertag - I used a knife to conserve ammo

FIRST OFF WHAT THE FUZZ IS A "SHILL"


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1. This
2. That

And you can't beat that with a bat.


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First off, I would like to apologize to OP for derailing his perfectly decent thread, where he asks some vaguely worded questions about the "realism" of hawken(I think), which is answered with halfway decent canon/ex machina.  I then call out the fact the title he made is grammatical click bait(which he admits to using deliberately later on), and then we are lambasted with a post that calls for not one, not two, but three drinks, according to the rules.  I would like to get this thread back on the tracks of the OP's post, or, at least what I interpret as the intentions of the OP's post.
 
First off, HAWKEN in its current state, at least to say in the depths of the capabilities of its current developers, is as realistic as this game is going to get.  What hawken needs - according my interpretation of the consensus of the current community - is not a more realistic hawken, but a functioning one.
 
@OP: I don't know how much you have read of these forums, or how much you have paid attention to the content of the topics and posts within.  I will kindly tell you that there are some details about fuel consumption, when interpreted along a particular scale, is realistic:

  • fuel consumption for light mechs boosting forward requires more fuel than heavy mechs - momentum.
  • fuel consumption for light mechs hovering upward requires less fuel than heavy mechs - inertia.

Its a sci-fi game.  not even that - it's a mech arena shooter, with an indelible gameplay mechanic that so many of us love.  How much one loves the aesthetic features of the game will be subjective, but its core gameplay mechanic will keep most of us playing every day.  trying to add "realism" will change that, and more than likely, that particular change would be drastic, to the point where we would not call it HAWKEN anymore.  You can't even establish a baseline to how "real" HAWKEN "should get", because it is science fiction.
 
Most of us like where the "realism" ends and begins. I think that it is the sweet spot for HAWKEN, and I, for one, don't want it to change.  What really needs to change is the stagnation that it has experienced, with no major update to the game since august of 2014, and that is only because of time.
 
You came back to these forums when HAWKEN is in limbo, where its past has left it with the musty smell of stagnation, but we are trudging the quagmire with it because the new developers have made noises to us that they will clean and polish the hunk of junk we love so much, making it shine again.
 
you can make "realistic" suggestions that the developers can actually implement soon™, or you can make a shitpost that has been done to death, in as so much that the horse has been kicked so many times that it is now split in half.

 

choices...


Edited by (TDM)coldform, 15 February 2016 - 10:37 PM.

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I like going against the best of any game I play. Helps you in the long run n motivates u to do more. Always room for improvement not failure

z6aJAX7.png?1

 

czerofive-Today at 2:22 AM > got banned from playing lazertag - I used a knife to conserve ammo

FIRST OFF WHAT THE FUZZ IS A "SHILL"


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Ok you keyboard bullies I have taken the time to read and reflect on the posts that have sacrificed atleast one neuron dedicated to critical thinking, and it was a good read, in my most humble opinion. I agree that this is a sci-fi videogame and realism isn't prioritized. All I want to communicate, at the root of it all, that change wouldn't require that much of effort and could translate into bringing more players in.

Look at it this way for example; Battlefield 3 players, that bought Battlefield 4 back in the day have complained how it became less realistic (google it and feast your eyes.) Bullet travel speed was one of the few big topics revolving around the issue. The point is how on earth does teleporting yourself in a tank to enter it, firing at an airplane and blowing it up on the move then exploding some C4 under this same tank to propel it on a nearby building makes this game realistic, yet people express their dissatisfaction about bullet travel speed in BF4 comparing it to BF3 without even mentioning any of the above statements. The connection I'm trying to approach is that Hawken isn't realistic either, but with a few elements of realism to compliment the game, you might just scratch a subconscious itch and who knows where that will take the game. I don't want to sound pushy or anything but I think I made a valid point to say the least, and the devs should listen to what the community has to say, and fast.

 

[EDIT: Bold scribbles]


Edited by DeathWaffle, 18 February 2016 - 07:32 PM.


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Does this count as another 2 shots? Did OP just pull another #5 on the "2 shots" list? I understand that it is inferred, but does it have to be explicit?

Wait. It's a drinking game. Nevermind - Bottoms up!

Edited by (TDM)coldform, 17 February 2016 - 11:47 AM.

I like going against the best of any game I play. Helps you in the long run n motivates u to do more. Always room for improvement not failure

z6aJAX7.png?1

 

czerofive-Today at 2:22 AM > got banned from playing lazertag - I used a knife to conserve ammo

FIRST OFF WHAT THE FUZZ IS A "SHILL"


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the devs should listen to what the community has to say, and fast.

 

Even if the community disagrees with you?


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Drink!

Edit: clickbait title (1 drink) and hwk Wil dye if we dunt chage/adddd/remuve X (2 drinks).

I gotta stop lurking the forums at work. It's just now past noon, and I'm already buzzed because of this shite.

 

How DARE you not link to the drinking game rules.

 

That should be another rule: each time the drinking game is mentioned in a thread where the link hasn't been posted yet, that's one drink. As soon as someone posts the link then that thread is safe from that rule.

 

and the devs should listen to what the community has to say, and fast.

 

What if the community has conflicting things to say about a topic? I need an apocalyptic wall of text telling me how I should feel about that contingency. Can you help?


Edited by TheButtSatisfier, 17 February 2016 - 12:25 PM.

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How DARE you not link to the drinking game rules.

Many gajillions of apologetic apologies. I felt it necessary to annotate the rules, but alas, I was on my phone.

Edited by (TDM)coldform, 17 February 2016 - 01:46 PM.

I like going against the best of any game I play. Helps you in the long run n motivates u to do more. Always room for improvement not failure

z6aJAX7.png?1

 

czerofive-Today at 2:22 AM > got banned from playing lazertag - I used a knife to conserve ammo

FIRST OFF WHAT THE FUZZ IS A "SHILL"


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Even if the community disagrees with you?

 

You're obviously not the right community for this game, look at its current state.

 

 

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You're obviously not the right community for this game, look at its current state.

 

Alright man look.

 

You come in here and you offer a vague panacea (or at least, suggest you have one) and tell tales of doom and gloom so you get snark in response. You aren't the first random fuzzy bunny to hop on the forums and make a grammatically questionable and utterly unsubstantiated post telling everyone that Hawken is doomed unless we do exactly as you say, and you most likely won't be the last.

 

So I'm gonna keep giving you the sarcasm and lack of serious consideration I've given the previous dozen iterations of you. Savvy?

 

Anyway, I have no control over the design direction of this game beyond yelling at the devs and hoping for the best. No one in the community does or has since ADH died, and arguably before that.


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Assuming troll post.

 

 

 There is only a limited time where you will get constructive feature suggestions from wandering forum vagrants

 

Was quite telling.

 

But I'll humor one of your points. Do you really think making bullets NOT hitscan is a good move for hawken? Just because BF3 players like it that way? Yeah ok it was a big deal for some BF players, but hitscan bullets have been quite fine for every other FPS popular or not. Projectile bullets would honestly just make the game harder and less accessible for new players when combined with already existing mechanics like the movement and turn cap. Hitscan is just good game design.

 

That's what it comes down to, not realism or sense, it's game design. Hitscan is simple and very effective. What would projectile bullets really bring to the table in terms of game play, for hawken specifically? An arbitrary speed bump in the skill floor?


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Stay on topic people, you don't want warning points.  you dno't.

 

That being said,

 

So are the bullets (Supposed to be at the very least 20mm shells at this scale) still hitscan?

 

yes, they are still hit scan

 

Do the bullets (20M SHELLS) still fly in a straight line (like no gravity exists?)

 

yes, they fly in a straight line for 200 yards, and then start to fall down from gravity

 

Do the HEAT cannon shells still fly in a straight line and have... multicolor tracers?

 

yes, they do, because thats how the sun rays move, same speed as the speed of light.



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The connection I'm trying to approach is that Hawken isn't realistic either, but with a few elements of realism to compliment the game, you might just scratch a subconscious itch and who knows where that will take the game.


A little edit to justify what I expressed in my earlier post. For example;
-Heavier feeling mechs
-Longer stompier steps
-Shell travel time and drop (Just use youtube videos of tanks shooting targets as a guide)
-I read on a few topics how people would have prefered their mechs to react to forward thrusting into a deserted truck
-Dirt and dust rising around heavier cannons being shot (again use youtube)

Mechs in Hawken have the potential to be hallucinatory beyond description in any lanuage

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Guys you better snap the frack out of your fantasy land and get your head out of your arses. There is only a limited time where you will get constructive feature suggestions from wandering forum vagrants before your game vanishes into the void and this is how you answer to it; oh the title is misspelled ha ha ha, Hawken isn't real etc etc. You better bet your asses that's how you'll kill the remains of your game because that's exactly what's going to happen. The title is mild clickbait buffoonery, but the intention was for a good cause (you know, to attract readers, common think already!!!) If the game doesn't change its strategy (look/feel/atmosphere) then it's pretty much game over and that means you guys will have to move on. Or you could start being open-minded to suggestions posted by people trying to change the game for the better, translating into new Youtube videos being uploaded and bringing in new curious players resulting in a new chance for Hawken. You can give Hawken a new chance every day, or you can shut down on yourself and let your game keep the same redundant strategy that has gone on for 3 years.

 

The choice is yours.

 

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TROLL...fuzzy bunny you and the horse you rode in on...and Don't let the door hit you in the A** on the way out :rolleyes:

What, you mean you DON'T think a major change in game mechanics will help?
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