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Yes, but it's not really a representation of his (cough, assault ,cough) full potential as the ping is on the high side.

This way you might get the wrong impression. :)

 

Actually, I was disappointed by smurfs attitude and his chat content.


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Which one of these smurfs do you use for "testing" the hawken cheat on your machine, Merl?


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all his smurfs was high MMR

he log in in another instance to kill them easily

and MMR gaining

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What is your issue with Merl allegedly having the hawken cheat for testing?

I can understand that someone who spends alot of time and effort in a game wants to know how the cheats work and get a better understanding of how to indentify cheaters. 

If I'd be a top tier player and/or play comeptitively I'd want to know as well and probably install the cheat on a smurf and test it with my buddies or clan and document how the thing can be identified and what a cheater could be doing do cover it up and then try to find something to identify this as well.

 

This has basicly been done during the cold war by both russia and the good old US of A. Get your hands on the enemies equipment, analyse it and then develop a countermeasure.


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Good luck with testing and developing countermeasures.

 

Hawken Hack Features
 

Auto Aim - Auto Aim will make your player automatically aim at the enemy players.
Bone Selection - Select where Auto Aim will Aim on the player.
Aim Key - Configurable option to pick the key that activates the Auto Aim.
Limit Aim Angle - This option is used more for legit looking play. You will only aim at the enemies within your aim angle so that you are not spinning around to kill someone who was behind you.
Aim Speed - Controls how fast the Aimbot takes to get from point A to B or from where you are looking to the target.
Auto Fire - If you use this option, you will automatically fire at enemies when they become visible.
Triggerbot - Automatically shoot/knife at enemies when you are aiming at them manually

Visual Related

3D Radar - 3D player radar with customizable colors for visible/hidden friendly and enemy players
Show Friendy- Tells the hack whether to draw the player visuals of your teammates.
Show Enemy- Tells the hack whether to draw the player visuals of the enemies.
Player Name Tags - Draws the player's name next to them.
Player Distance Tags - Draws how far away the player is next to them.
Player Health Tags - Draws the player's health in text next to them.
Player Health Bars - Draws a vertical bar showing level of health next the player.
Player 2D Boxes - Draws a bounding box around the players.
2D Radar - Displays a box that contains a birds eye view of players position in relation to yourself.

Misc. Features

Shoot Warning - If enemies are aiming at you this feature let's you know.


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YUCK!

 

This makes me wonder why anyone who hasn't some mental issues and wants to get his part of revenge on the oh so bad society wants to use it except out of curiosity/testing. 

 

IMO Merls either is a sucky player, has serious issues, is married to QuayJay and has been using those cheats all the time or if he is playing legit, he's just curious.


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Quite disheartening.yes.


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Which one of these smurfs do you use for "testing" the hawken cheat on your machine, Merl?

 

I seem to recall you mentioning to me your own experimental use of hax at low setting with justification along the lines of "so I know what to look for" or the like. Lets not be so vindictive eh?

 

Ever watch one of those videos where a cat grossly misjudges the size of a opening and gets stuck, or whiffs a jump because of poor traction? When the subject is oblivious to information that is obvious to the observer, the observer may find the result funny.

 

In this case, however, we're having a giggle at the expense of a person. Merl is a child and it shows, but tearing into him for being arrogant and obnoxious (regardless of whether or not he can legitimately be said to have those traits) is stooping.

 

So for those of you who are privy to what incited this post I would advise discretion: this should be beneath you.

 

To Merl I would advise the same. I'm only 22 and I already cringe at the posts I made when I was 17-18. Choose your words carefully.


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I checked the video on the website that has the cheat that Chickin was referring to and it's scary. No snapping at all (nb. the customizable autoaim-angle) just perfect tracking. There are blatant cheaters whose snapping is obvious but it seems that snapping is just for those who  don't care setting their aim angle properly.


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Interesting.

It also matches another one of xacius smurfs:
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Also note that his very first reply to the thread was this:

Seems way to much to just be a coincidence. I think he was hinting at it.

What I don't understand is how Nept could possibly confuse Xacius with Merl and accuse Merl of smurfing using that account. Thats gotta be the funniest part.

 

Oh my christ.


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I have been recording hackers for some time, with predator.

As far as I can tell, you can recognize a cheater by two things only.

 

1.Aim snapping, which can be obvious and not so obvious in the fast close combat clashes.

Obvious is spine breaking of the mech. You can clearly see them snapping to targets around them.

Not so obvious can be seen on more "experienced" pilots which use them when they think nobody is watching.

Still, there is mild snapping.

 

2. Super prediction. By this I mean knowledge of any mech positions on the map at any given time.

I have encountered one guy who would find me in far corners of the map, boosting with scout towards my exact

position, jumping and shooting in my face. I am cloaked and behind the cover. No scanners, no scramblers, no movement,no shooting, nothing. Far away from the action. He found me every single time during that match. He dies (not by my hand), he spawns ,boosts towards me.I changed positions, used cloak, cover, moved away from the scene.Guess that was a radar thingy.

 

Some demos.

 

Triggerbots and other stuff is untraceable IMO.

Radar usage is also very hard to tell unless they demonstrate it to you on purpose.

 

 

 


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The point of this thread being?

 

Smurfing is nothing new.
There are many reasons why someone smurfs/has to smurf.
Playing with friends, teaching friends, stomping noobs, botting, not being able to get into games (partially made redundant now), wanting another callsign, technical difficulties, playing with different players (gets boring facing always the same people), community events etc. etc.

Yes, please.

An account that's MVPing in a match should be given +150 MMR if it's below lvl15 IMO.  This would help to put the skilled new players in the right place.

And once the person using his smurf for stomping gets into "the right place" he will just create a new account and repeat. (Getting to lvl 15 takes longer than hitting high mmr first)

Leaderboards with mmr will get totally pointless since it will be smurf infested.

 

Also people using smurf accounts for trying out bots/hacks is nothing new.
At least for me since I heard of some people doing that and even uploading videos and also by putting in forum names on a search engine and browse carefully through the results. (I still don't get it why people use the same account names on hack forums, but what he hell) And some of these hacks going public free of charge increased the number of occurrences.

 

Smurfs or no smurfs at all will not change anything.

Either high mmr players will not get into games and smurf because of that or get matched with noobs.

Both makes games unbalanced, but there is no helping it.

 

An improved matchmaker and servers dedicated to new players as safe haven sounds like a good idea and is worth a try.

Unlocking all servers for everyone at 2200 mmr sounds fun too and might help the current situation.


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Yeah that's not me. Don't know why Nept the all knowing put that one on there even though he was in a game where we were both there, and he knows who boring really is. 

 

Oh well... Still cancerous in my book, you can make any number of excuses for why you people smurf but in my experience the only thing that alternate accounts has brought to this game is less players. To me, you guys are no better than cheaters.



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I seem to recall you mentioning to me your own experimental use of hax at low setting with justification along the lines of "so I know what to look for" or the like. Lets not be so vindictive eh?

Ever watch one of those videos where a cat grossly misjudges the size of a opening and gets stuck, or whiffs a jump because of poor traction? When the subject is oblivious to information that is obvious to the observer, the observer may find the result funny.

In this case, however, we're having a giggle at the expense of a person. Merl is a child and it shows, but tearing into him for being arrogant and obnoxious (regardless of whether or not he can legitimately be said to have those traits) is stooping.

So for those of you who are privy to what incited this post I would advise discretion: this should be beneath you.

To Merl I would advise the same. I'm only 22 and I already cringe at the posts I made when I was 17-18. Choose your words carefully.

I like this. Good wording to express something not so simple. You're a nice person.

Lucky for me I was too busy being a hoodlum at 17 and 18 and had no forum to lay my genitals across. Gotta make up for it now, but at least I can cringe at my posts a day or two later instead of five or six years.

To basically everyone else, please stop acting like you know what's best for the game at this point.

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I like this. Good wording to express something not so simple. You're a nice person.

Lucky for me I was too busy being a hoodlum at 17 and 18 and had no forum to lay my genitals across. Gotta make up for it now, but at least I can cringe at my posts a day or two later instead of five or six years.

To basically everyone else, please stop acting like you know what's best for the game at this point.

please make this a sticky…

 

 

 

 

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Did I miss the posts where everyone jumps out of a box and says "Oh man, we are just kidding. Don't be so serious" to avoid being called out or has that not happened yet? I can't tell with the new Hawken posts people make to stir up drama, kinda makes me miss the old forum days when people were civil human beings. Well, for the most part.


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Kinda makes me miss the old forum days when people were civil human beings.

 

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lol

 

I said for the most part :0



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I said for the most part :0

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Let me state something about this smurf ThisIsRealBoring:

1. He don't understand humor.

2. He ragequits.

3. He sticks with assault and is orb lording.

4. He is American.

 

To explain point one: I met the guy some days ago, destroying balance on pubs with his assault. So after a while Yobot and I started talking with him, that he makes his name all honour and I joked about him (however not too rough) and he got mad thinking we were some pussies at EU complaining about a 2800 mmr player smurfing. Then he quit. He may be a good pilot but is also thin-skinned which is kind of strange for an American Hawken player. :smile:

 

From the mysterious man himself:

 

In one match at least 3 pilots(one of them being Yobot) in EU talked about how unbalanced a match was with a smurf in it and decided to afk for the entire match. Yobot continued to afk roughly every 5 or so matches just to "stick it to the smurf", but all he managed to do was screw the balance far worse then the smurf he was complaining about. By the time I ran into 1uster, I had already dealt with excessive amounts of bitching from EU players that I didn't have any reason to assume 1uster was "joking" when he complained about me smurfing


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From the mysterious man himself:
 
In one match at least 3 pilots(one of them being Yobot) in EU talked about how unbalanced a match was with a smurf in it and decided to afk for the entire match. Yobot continued to afk roughly every 5 or so matches just to "stick it to the smurf", but all he managed to do was screw the balance far worse then the smurf he was complaining about. By the time I ran into 1uster, I had already dealt with excessive amounts of bitching from EU players that I didn't have any reason to assume 1uster was "joking" when he complained about me smurfing

Did he really use "then" when he should have used "than"? Nept what sort of school are you running over there.

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And I thought I got nuked in my thread trying to talk against why 9/11 jokes are bad.


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And I thought I got nuked in my thread trying to talk against why 9/11 jokes are bad.

 

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I checked the video on the website that has the cheat that Chickin was referring to and it's scary. No snapping at all (nb. the customizable autoaim-angle) just perfect tracking. There are blatant cheaters whose snapping is obvious but it seems that snapping is just for those who  don't care setting their aim angle properly.

just cruising through and saw this thread. i make smurfs just because i like having all kinds of accounts to play with. they're my toys, i'll play with them if i wanna. so there.

as for this, i dumped the link out for the UnRealBot during a War Wednesday a long time ago, and the usual suspects all had fun playing with it in the Test Arena. it includes wallhack, esp, warnings, and constant-on rangeable radar. and yes, if you set your lock-on arc to less than 15 degrees (what Hawken uses for the Seeker and Hellfires btw) there is little to no detectable Snap; everyone agreed that this particularly limited one's ability to anticipate-fire ahead of a dodge, lob shots to double-kill, etc. good for a noob or really lazy player pharming HC, but truly not worth the time.

i really don't see any benefit to it to anyone in upper level gaming, as it starts cluttering up the screen, is crippling to play after a certain level, and gets boring quickly.


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People playing with hacks during war Wednesday? When did that ever happen?
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just cruising through and saw this thread. i make smurfs just because i like having all kinds of accounts to play with. they're my toys, i'll play with them if i wanna. so there.

as for this, i dumped the link out for the UnRealBot during a War Wednesday a long time ago, and the usual suspects all had fun playing with it in the Test Arena. it includes wallhack, esp, warnings, and constant-on rangeable radar. and yes, if you set your lock-on arc to less than 15 degrees (what Hawken uses for the Seeker and Hellfires btw) there is little to no detectable Snap; everyone agreed that this particularly limited one's ability to anticipate-fire ahead of a dodge, lob shots to double-kill, etc. good for a noob or really lazy player pharming HC, but truly not worth the time.

i really don't see any benefit to it to anyone in upper level gaming, as it starts cluttering up the screen, is crippling to play after a certain level, and gets boring quickly.

Please do not use The Hawken Teamspeak or War Wednesday to distribute cheat software.

 

I am the creator of the event and one of three head admins on The Hawken Teamspeak.

 

While I can appreciate your intent, it is a severe breach of our intentions. I am not sure if it is written in our code of conduct, but I will discuss this with the other admins. I am all for freedom of information, but The TeamSpeak serves a variety of purposes, some of them being official functions, and I don't want to conflict with this. This is the only warning you will receive unless we decide to allow for this in the future - as pertaining to the TeamSpeak itself.

 

As far as War Wednesday is concerned do not use the event for these purposes.


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To basically everyone else, please stop acting like you know what's best for the game at this point.

 

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I seem to recall you mentioning to me your own experimental use of hax 

 

I've an obligation to catch cheating at the competitive level.

 

It's something I'm very good at and have a lot of experience doing.

 

In my many years of anti-cheat work in TPG I have never once injected a cheat in an online multiplayer situation.

 

I have never even had hacks on ANY machine or account that is used online.

 

When we time demos for matches that require a cheat on the anti-cheat team, I do my countless hours of work disconnected on a laptop set up for that sole purpose.

 

Because that's what it takes to catch cheaters at the competitive level.

And I've caught more than most Hawken players will ever even see.

 

Merl has no such obligation, and has the distinction of being the ONLY Hawken TPG player who has openly bragged to league AC that he has cheats on his machine. 

 

 

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The only thing coming close to comparing to it is a now inactive Hawken tpg player bragging about having a couple VAC-banned steam accounts from when he was Merl's age. 

Which was more wtf-worthy by far than Merl's disclosure. 

 

The last few people I knew that were "testing" in the fashion Merl described, all have VAC-bans on their accounts.

And if Hawken only had a closer relationship to valve's game-ban system, I'd be willing to bet I'd know a few more from Hawken who ended up in the same boat.

 

And while I'm not privy to what incited his post on "smurf research"  :rolleyes:

 

Telling league AC that you have hacks on your rig is pretty thick.


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I've an obligation to catch cheating at the competitive level.

 

It's something I'm very good at and have a lot of experience doing.

 

In my many years of anti-cheat work in TPG I have never once injected a cheat in an online multiplayer situation.

 

I have never even had hacks on ANY machine or account that is used online.

 

When we time demos for matches that require a cheat on the anti-cheat team, I do my countless hours of work disconnected on a laptop set up for that sole purpose.

 

Because that's what it takes to catch cheaters at the competitive level.

And I've caught more than most Hawken players will ever even see.

 

Merl has no such obligation, and has the distinction of being the ONLY Hawken TPG player who has openly bragged to league AC that he has cheats on his machine. 

 

 

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The only thing coming close to comparing to it is a now inactive Hawken tpg player bragging about having a couple VAC-banned steam accounts from when he was Merl's age. 

Which was more wtf-worthy by far than Merl's disclosure. 

 

The last few people I knew that were "testing" in the fashion Merl described, all have VAC-bans on their accounts.

And if Hawken only had a closer relationship to valve's game-ban system, I'd be willing to bet I'd know a few more from Hawken who ended up in the same boat.

 

And while I'm not privy to what incited his post on "smurf research"  :rolleyes:

 

Telling league AC that you have hacks on your rig is pretty thick.

 

Crafty, stop using your experience and TPG position to engage in character assassination while promoting yourself. You're a 30+ year old man ripping into a putting down 17-year old kid from a position of authority, outside that position's purview. Have some goddamn self-respect, or open a ticket against Merl on the TPG site.

 

 

So for those of you who are privy to what incited this post I would advise discretion: this should be beneath you.


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It's sad to see Hawken's community devolve into petty attacks like this. 


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i really don't see any benefit to it to anyone in upper level gaming, as it starts cluttering up the screen, is crippling to play after a certain level, and gets boring quickly.

 

I think that radar hack could be more useful than aimbot/autoaim.

Trigger bot and autofire seem useful for ,let's say, an SS pilot.


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