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First of all, the RIGHT way.  The VAST majority of you Veteran and fellow new players have been AWESOME and very patient with me and my son ("Kaotic_Beaver", by the way.  On a side note, don't expect our son to "chat" much, because we're overly protective parents and limit his in-game chat to things like emotes, "gg", "lol", etc.)

 

Almost all of you have been great at OFFERING advice (key word "offering"), saying things like "Do you have any more questions?", helping me tweak my settings, inviting me to various game modes, "friending" me, keeping the language clean, etc.  But most of all, you have been PATIENT with me even though I'm a pretty bad player, usually getting more deaths than kills if not in co-op.  In other words, you understand that I'm trying to get better, that I don't have a lot of credits to buy the stuff that others have, and that it will just take time for me to improve.

 

And then there are the others - those "poison pills" who can ruin an entire gameplay experience and make my son and I question if we can keep playing.  These types of players have done, and continue to do, the following:

 

1) TELL ME WHAT TO DO.  Not "offer advice", but instead say "Kittens, DO this", as if I'm somehow accountable to you.  I don't have time for this, and I will leave a battle where it happens.

2) COMPLAIN, not just to me, but to the entire team, about how badly we are doing (in your opinion).  Things like "I kept calling out and none of you ever came.  Do I need to do everything myself?!"  Again, I won't play with players like this.  Take a "chill pill" and please realize this is just a game.

3) SINGLE ME OUT to the rest of the team as a bad player.  Things like "Kittens, get better or just leave.", or "Kittens is sitting over here doing nothing!"  Fine, you got your wish.  I'll leave.

4) MAKE FUN OF MY CHOICES in robot, tactics, weapons, etc.  It's called LEARNING, silly.

5) Finding sneaky ways around the PROFANITY filter.  Congratulations on your cleverness, but I clicked that filter so that I don't see that kind of language, and I don't want my son seeing it either.  Be aware that I will mute you after you do this, so if you never got a response to something you said to me, this is likely why.

6) Specifically seeking me out as an "easy kill" for the entire match, especially when bombarding me with endless items I can't even buy yet.  Congrats, you found a seal to club.  In fairness, this one bothers me the least, because if I'm on the map I am fair game.  I get that.  But it is certainly annoying and discouraging.

7) Accusing my son, who has gotten quite good at this game in a short amount of time, of cheating!  Seriously?  Which is it?  You want us to get better, and then when my son DOES get better (had a TDM with 18 kills yesterday, and another with 16), a couple players accuse him of having a "hack"?

 

I really like what another new player was told last night, as he asked a lot of questions and got a lot of good advice.  One of my "friends" added, at the end of the exhaustive list of suggestions, "AND HAVE FUN".  That's really what its all about, and its why my son are here (for now).  Unfortunately, just as in real life, a few negative experiences carry more weight than all the positive ones.  Its not fair, but that's just the way most of us are wired.  So if we're trying to get a bunch of new players, and most importantly KEEP them, I humbly offer the preceding warnings on some of the quickest ways to LOSE them.

 

And again, to end this on a positive note, most of you are NOT like this, for which we are so thankful.

 

Thanks for reading.


Edited by harmless_kittens, 03 February 2016 - 08:07 AM.

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I hope lots of 'those type of people' read this and extract head from ass.

Glad you're still here.
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What I always say is that better to suggest actions than yelling at others..

 

Sometimes can be fustrating but still there's always someone improving the team's game play right after suggesting things in friendly and nice ways.. Everyone may have one of those days though...


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6) Specifically seeking me out as an "easy kill" for the entire match, especially when bombarding me with endless items I can't even buy yet.  Congrats, you found a seal to club.  In fairness, this one bothers me the least, because if I'm on the map I am fair game.  I get that.  But it is certainly annoying and discouraging.

 

I'd like to address this part because its a mentality I've seen all the way up the ladder in various forms.

 

You are not being focused: you are out of position. You are a target of opportunity. It is simply convenient.

 

 

 

2) COMPLAIN, not just to me, but to the entire team, about how badly we are doing (in your opinion).  Things like "I kept calling out and none of you ever came.  Do I need to do everything myself?!"  Again, I won't play with players like this.  Take a "chill pill" and please realize this is just a game.

3) SINGLE ME OUT to the rest of the team as a bad player.  Things like "Kittens, get better or just leave.", or "Kittens is sitting over here doing nothing!"  Fine, you got your wish.  I'll leave.

4) MAKE FUN OF MY CHOICES in robot, tactics, weapons, etc.  It's called LEARNING, silly.

5) Finding sneaky ways around the PROFANITY filter.  Congratulations on your cleverness, but I clicked that filter so that I don't see that kind of language, and I don't want my son seeing it either.  Be aware that I will mute you after you do this, so if you never got a response to something you said to me, this is likely why.

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7) Accusing my son, who has gotten quite good at this game in a short amount of time, of cheating!  Seriously?  Which is it?  You want us to get better, and then when my son DOES get better (had a TDM with 18 kills yesterday, and another with 16), a couple players accuse him of having a "hack"?

 

These points are mostly other players trying to find an excuse for their loss that does not include their own performance. You will find this in pretty much any online game ever. Don't take it seriously. If you're worried about what your son sees in chat you should mute everyone or perhaps disable chat entirely.

 

Anyone know how to disable chat?


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7) Accusing my son, who has gotten quite good at this game in a short amount of time, of cheating!  Seriously?  Which is it?  You want us to get better, and then when my son DOES get better (had a TDM with 18 kills yesterday, and another with 16), a couple players accuse him of having a "hack"?

 

 

Don't feel to bad on this one cause this happens to a lot of players. It makes me smile whenever people call me a hacker.

 

Also, I hear what you are saying about players being the poison pills. For me at least, I just play through even when they are in my games. The player base is small so you are bound to run into them again. I just focus on how I play in the match. I always play with a purpose and try to accomplish a goal. Losing matches or MMR doesn't bother me. What bothers me is my Accuracy stat on my Vulcan and Tow launcher. I need them higher, lol.


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Firstly I'm glad you and your son enjoy hawken!

 

but to be honest you'd be better of if you just ignored people that you don't like, a popular saying on the internet is "don't feed to trolls".



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you know what? if anyone accuses you or your son of cheating, say thank you and smile because someone thinks your skills are better than humanly possible.

 

I'm with hyginos on the easy kill thing. 

stay with your team. you are being targeted because your are the the most favorabel target at the moment.

if you constantly pose the easiest target you will always get killed first. it has nothing to do with you personally or being new.

most of us play to win. when we see an oppertunity for a kill we don't look at the name first an think "oh that must be a new guy, better spare him."


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Kittens,
Glad to hear you got the message of fun first. I'm also glad to hear your son is being called a hacker - he must be getting good!! ;) I can't wait for the day my boy is old enough to enjoy games with me - I'm sooooo jealous bud ! The one bit of advice I have to offer that might help you being singled out is you roll everywhere in turret mode. It's really slow and so being out of position while everyone else is boosting their brains out is going to be very common for you, meaning you're going to be alone a lot and an easy target. I know you've heard this before but I think it is something that is hurting your fun. Let's play tonight, I'll roll tech to help keep you up while you run around in normal mode and hopefully it'll give you a better chance to stay with the herd and alive !
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The only one where I think you may be getting confused is the "telling you" what to do. If you're playing siege and someone says "go aa" or "shoot ship" you better get your butt in gear and do it because in all likelihood they're right.
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Very nice 2 hear you're both still on board, kittens. I really appreciate your contributions in the forum - they are exemplary. Big respect 2 u and ur son 4 staying even after u now have xperienced the "dark side" of the game, too. Good 2 c that these badhats didn't manage 2 scare u away. Don't mind of those that troll u, because u r pretty right - 4 every arrogant, unkind ruffian here, there r at least 10 friendly and attentive gentlemen at the other side 2 balance it.

 

Being called a hacker's something your son can b proud of - it usually takes a lot of skillful movement and many kills 4 getting "haccused" - and 18 kills is really remarkable! - Congratulations 2 him! Good job! :thumbsup:   Keep on holding up the flag!

 

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I have played against you once or twice, a week back or so. I did notice you were struggling a little bit, but it is to be expected when you are new. Also, these complaints you have are all legitimate; you are right.
If I may offer some insight:
First person shooters are notoriously the most demanding, competitive and often, most difficult video games around. Online games in general are full of competition, but first person shooters take it to another level. When people invest time in the game, (some people here have practiced this game for 8 hours a day 7 days a week for months at a time) they become very seriously attached to the game.
As is the case in many competitions, players can be egotistical. Yes, a sad reality of FPS games is that many good players are also arrogant. Not all, but many.
Add to that the impersonal separation and anonymity provided by the internet, and you have an environment teeming with insensitive, insulting people.
Part of these facts are to say that we must know what to expect when going into a game like Hawken, Counter Strike, et al.
Another contributing factor is the relatively small, insular and esoteric nature if the playerbase.
A few dozen good players who are acquainted with each other and who have built mutual respect over the years may give off an air of superiority, condescension or sarcasm toward 'outsiders'.
It's the case with all groups of people- the 'us and them' mentality is almost a naturally occurring phenomenon.
There are also other personalities out there who simply have an inflated sense of self importance, worth or skill. Such players are more often the ones who throw around derogatory language for newer, less experienced players, or show impatience, even disdain toward them.
And as was mentioned, there are those who are just having a bad day: they show up to have fun but end up losing miserably over and over due to their team being generally inexperienced, uncooperative and/or disorganized and eventually lose their patience and self control by snapping at their teammates with commands, like:
"when your teammates call for help, try to group to them".
Something else to consider: Hawken is a great game.
There, I said it.
Part of the reason we are here complaining about bad experiences and behaviors is because we have had some excellent, elating experiences in this game, and we want to keep them going! We want the pleasure, not the pain.
The long and short of it: Hawken needs more players, but hang in there.
Practice.
Practicing first person shooters can be very rewarding.
Pick the brains of veterans, ask questions. Get more involved in the community, but manage expectations. Some may be standoffish at first, if you do not share their passion and seriousness.
Have fun.
Again, friend me in game and I'll help you all I can, as others help me.
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I'll add one more thing, for all those helpful players who are inviting me to get on "teamspeak".  Thanks very much for the invite, but we respectfully decline.  I tried something similar once before and learned my lesson.  Let's just say that I can't "edit" audio chat as much as I'd like to.  Not trying to offend anyone, just giving our reasons.  The only reason we are playing this type of "FPS" in the first place is because of how "tame" the content is.

 

So I'll continue to chat with my good 'ole keyboard :)  Thanks for understanding.



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Brother Kittens... Even when I was the highest scoring player in a match, I've been subjected to every example you've cited.

 

It is infuriating.

 

However, it honestly tells me you are doing something right.  If other players even notice you, it means you are actually participating in a meaningful way.  It tells me you're not 'playing it safe' and that you are experimenting and learning.

 

So, it's really hard... but ignore those cotton-headed ninny-muggins and play on.  Nothing is better at putting out a fire than depriving it of oxygen - and these flamers thrive on generating drama - do not give it to them.

 

My final suggestion is "DON'T QUIT MATCHES!"  No matter how much grief you're getting, players who just blow it off and hang in there earn a great deal of respect from me.


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I'll add one more thing, for all those helpful players who are inviting me to get on "teamspeak".  Thanks very much for the invite, but we respectfully decline.  I tried something similar once before and learned my lesson.  Let's just say that I can't "edit" audio chat as much as I'd like to.  Not trying to offend anyone, just giving our reasons.  The only reason we are playing this type of "FPS" in the first place is because of how "tame" the content is.

 

So I'll continue to chat with my good 'ole keyboard :)  Thanks for understanding.

 

I understand your reservations about the teamspeak given the stuff you've experienced in the game chat, but i am here to try to assure you that those on the teamspeak are absolutely and 100% made up of the good part of the community.  The guys and gals who run it and regularly show up, wouldn't put up with any of the shenanigans that you may have seen in other games' teamspeaks.  Again, i understand your reservations, but maybe one night check it out, perhaps during one of TDM's open practices (one of the most active clans in our game: https://community.pl...eb-2-9pm-est/).Based on the stuff youve posted so far, I'm confident you'l appreciate what goes on there.


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You are not being focused: you are out of position. You are a target of opportunity. It is simply convenient.

TL/DR

this happens to me constantly in my TAW smurf.  "Yo everybody, Mort's here. Free HC!!"  not really, but when it starts seeming like the 2600+ crowd is knocking the <1600 crowd out of the way onto bigger and more challenging prey, i suggest the following: download a free screen recorder, ie OBS, and start recording your matches. then go back and watch what you did wrong, what you did right and got a score, etc.

you'd be amazed at the "why in gawds name did i do THAT?'" and "oh, yeh, i gotta refine THAT awsumness!"

reallly!

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Well I'll be honest about one thing - I don't WANT to move as fast as everyone else.  There, I said it.  I'm just not into the whole "dodge right, fire, dodge left, fire, boost over here, use item, fly up in the sky, do a 180, boost some more, dodge, fire, dodge, use item, then do a triple twist backflip plus a squeeze of lemon" thing.  It's why I gave up on first person shooters YEARS ago in the first place.  I don't find it fun, or even "realistic" (an odd thing to say in a game about giant robots, I know).  It's just not in me.  I'm a laid back, lazy game player.  Bottom line.

 

So for those players who, even with the best of intentions, believe that I need to move like a paranoid crack addict with a coffee high to become really good at the game, you're right.  But my goal isn't to become top tier.  My goal is to find a way to play that I'm comfortable with while still being somewhat helpful to my team-mates.  Again, keep in mind that my favorite app on my tablet right now is Walking War Robots (because I'm very good at it), which is almost as slow as Mechwarrior.  This is also why I spend 4/5 of my Hawken time in TDM - I don't want to drag down other players.

 

Some players have already said that, because of this, Hawken may not be for me.  I get that, but only sort of.  I know that I will never be as good as others, but I hope those who say things like this are not saying "There is no room in Hawken" for players like me, or, "Just don't ever be on my team."  As best I understand, there's not a huge line of people out there banging on the door demanding that they can play too.

 

Like I said, I'm just hoping that Hawken, unlike most other FPS out there, allows for a more laid back play style in addition to the expert "twitchers".


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Well I'll be honest about one thing - I don't WANT to move as fast as everyone else.  There, I said it.  I'm just not into the whole "dodge right, fire, dodge left, fire, boost over here, use item, fly up in the sky, do a 180, boost some more, dodge, fire, dodge, use item, then do a triple twist backflip plus a squeeze of lemon" thing.  It's why I gave up on first person shooters YEARS ago in the first place.  I don't find it fun, or even "realistic" (an odd thing to say in a game about giant robots, I know).  It's just not in me.  I'm a laid back, lazy game player.  Bottom line.

 

So for those players who, even with the best of intentions, believe that I need to move like a paranoid crack addict with a coffee high to become really good at the game, you're right.  But my goal isn't to become top tier.  My goal is to find a way to play that I'm comfortable with while still being somewhat helpful to my team-mates.  Again, keep in mind that my favorite app on my tablet right now is Walking War Robots (because I'm very good at it), which is almost as slow as Mechwarrior.

 

Some players have already said that, because of this, Hawken may not be for me.  I get that, but only sort of.  I know that I will never be as good as others, but I hope those who say things like this are not saying "There is no room in Hawken" for players like me, or, "Just don't ever be on my team."  As best I understand, there's not a huge line of people out there banging on the door demanding that they can play too.

 

Like I said, I'm just hoping that Hawken, unlike most other FPS out there, allows for a more laid back play style in addition to the expert "twitchers".

First off you keep referring to them as robots they are "mechs", there is a human pilot inside they not robots. 

 

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Now with that out of the way...

 

From they have said about the game in interviews I believe you are the type of player that Reloaded intends to go after, via different types of mechs and game types.  Right now the skill wall is just too much for a lot of people to get past and they end up bailing on the game before they really get proficient at it so kudos for you for sticking with it particularly now with the skilled veterans, smurfs and hackers.

 

Hawken right now with the current mechs mostly burst weapons (you better not miss!) and high movement speed require a lot of twitch skill to be effective.  DM and TDM are by very nature very competitive and soely reliant those skill to get anything done in those game types and those are the two main game types that work so you have a recipe for a pretty tough game right there.   If they can create new objective based game types that don't rely on the twitch factor as much they will be able to increase Hawekns appeal.  Creating mechs and weapons that are easier to use (low skill ceiling) wouldn't hurt either.


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Ok...

Honestly, you can fight with a sort of zenlike style, and patience can be the key tactic. Saving your dodges for avoiding secondaries and returning to cover, waiting for your target to dodge before you hit them with a tow, even not boosting until necessary - all of this is essential tactics in hawken, but self-outpacing and bad habits form without proper instruction.

We can teach you simple methods of playing this game in a way that slows the tempo of combat down to a speed of your choosing.

But first, there's basics. There is an entire subsection of the TDM clan dedicated to learning the basics of hawken combat (Tryderps represent!), and we reinforce the exact opposite of trying to spaz out in your mech.

Come by one of our practices and see for yourself. TDM requires nothing from our regular members but a love for the game.

20-odd pilots showing signs of being viable competition can't be wrong...
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Well I'll be honest about one thing - I don't WANT to move as fast as everyone else.  There, I said it.  I'm just not into the whole "dodge right, fire, dodge left, fire, boost over here, use item, fly up in the sky, do a 180, boost some more, dodge, fire, dodge, use item, then do a triple twist backflip plus a squeeze of lemon" thing.  It's why I gave up on first person shooters YEARS ago in the first place.  I don't find it fun, or even "realistic" (an odd thing to say in a game about giant robots, I know).  It's just not in me.  I'm a laid back, lazy game player.  Bottom line.

 

So for those players who, even with the best of intentions, believe that I need to move like a paranoid crack addict with a coffee high to become really good at the game, you're right.  But my goal isn't to become top tier.  My goal is to find a way to play that I'm comfortable with while still being somewhat helpful to my team-mates.  Again, keep in mind that my favorite app on my tablet right now is Walking War Robots (because I'm very good at it), which is almost as slow as Mechwarrior.

 

Some players have already said that, because of this, Hawken may not be for me.  I get that, but only sort of.  I know that I will never be as good as others, but I hope those who say things like this are not saying "There is no room in Hawken" for players like me, or, "Just don't ever be on my team."  As best I understand, there's not a huge line of people out there banging on the door demanding that they can play too.

 

Like I said, I'm just hoping that Hawken, unlike most other FPS out there, allows for a more laid back play style in addition to the expert "twitchers".

 

If dodging around like a mad man isn't your thing, grab yourself an incinerator or SA hawkins brawler!

 

Glad you both have been enjoying Hawken!

 

As for the other stuff, I know its hard...but just ignore the negative people in chat. I don't want to seem like I am trying to parent here, but (yeah any sentence like this is usually said by a fuzzy bunny) having your son learn to just ignore toxic people on the internet would be highly beneficial. A lot of us that grew up on the internet without parental super vision had to learn, or are still learning, the hard way. It is very stressful to worry constantly about what people are saying about you in chat. The more you can drill into his head, that these are just people on the internet, in a game, that you will likely never meet or interact with again. There will always be negative people on the internet. Best to just ignore them and be positive. People who do this tend to be well liked. less stressed, and end up surrounded by kind people who also just want a positive experience in the game. Your son is fortunate enough to have a father who likes to play games with him. You are in a great position to teach him how to behave on the internet, and you clearly recognize this. And it already seems like you are doing a great job! Much respect to you there. More parents should follow your example.

 

Please don't take my comment as trying to tell you how to parent your son. It is not my intent nor my place. Just trying to offer advice in the context of contrasting how a lot of us, probably you too, grew up on the internet versus the opportunity to learn from that for new generations of internet goers. 

 

Play the game as long as you enjoy the game itself. Don't let other players be the determining factor for your enjoyment. A lot less stressful.


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So for those players who, even with the best of intentions, believe that I need to move like a paranoid crack addict with a coffee high to become really good at the game, you're right...

 

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I used to say this sort of thing a lot.  "There isn't enough meth in Kentucky for me to keep up with the people in this game", etc.  I started just throwing in a dodge here and there, not trying to "git gud", and it grew on me.  I think the dodge dancing eventually becomes fun.  Or maybe that's just my disposition for light mechs talking.  It takes time though, and you're still just starting your Hawken "career".  No one is supposed to make good use of the dodge and boost mechanics starting out.  

 

Basically, don't fear the dodge.  It'll be there for you if you want to use it.   :laugh:


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Someone asked a good question and I didn't hear an answer.  Is there a way to disable/close the chat box permanently?  Its annoying when I don't want to see chat and I keep having to minimize that box.



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Play the game as long as you enjoy the game itself. Don't let other players be the determining factor for your enjoyment. A lot less stressful.

 

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Well I'll be honest about one thing - I don't WANT to move as fast as everyone else.  There, I said it.  I'm just not into the whole "dodge right, fire, dodge left, fire, boost over here, use item, fly up in the sky, do a 180, boost some more, dodge, fire, dodge, use item, then do a triple twist backflip plus a squeeze of lemon" thing.  It's why I gave up on first person shooters YEARS ago in the first place.  I don't find it fun, or even "realistic" (an odd thing to say in a game about giant robots, I know).  It's just not in me.  I'm a laid back, lazy game player.  Bottom line.

 

 

You might be able to have some fun with the Pred. I'd look to give it a spin next time it's on test drive. I say that because one way to play Pred is the sneaky, laid-back walking around looking for people to pick off or setting traps. Besides, there's nothing quite so satisfying as a pred trap hitting it's mark.

 

 

As far as disabling chat goes I'm not sure. Perhaps someone more experienced with the config files would know.


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I'm looking into that...

I like going against the best of any game I play. Helps you in the long run n motivates u to do more. Always room for improvement not failure

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like a paranoid crack addict with a coffee high

That sounds like something id say

 

You might be able to have some fun with the Pred. I'd look to give it a spin next time it's on test drive. I say that because one way to play Pred is the sneaky, laid-back walking around looking for people to pick off or setting traps. Besides, there's nothing quite so satisfying as a pred trap hitting it's mark.

This is true just be ready WHEN they spot you because they will.


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I understand your reservations about the teamspeak given the stuff you've experienced in the game chat, but i am here to try to assure you that those on the teamspeak are absolutely and 100% made up of the good part of the community. The guys and gals who run it and regularly show up, wouldn't put up with any of the shenanigans that you may have seen in other games' teamspeaks. Again, i understand your reservations, but maybe one night check it out, perhaps during one of TDM's open practices (one of the most active clans in our game: https://community.pl...eb-2-9pm-est/).Based on the stuff youve posted so far, I'm confident you'l appreciate what goes on there.


Ehhhhnnnn. Disagree and I say that as the most anal super-admin. TDM is great, and would probably quite happily censor themselves for children's ears but the open night is not a night it would work on. I had to bail because the noise was oppressive and quite frankly there are too many people to effectively control themselves. Maybe a smaller practice?


Someone asked a good question and I didn't hear an answer. Is there a way to disable/close the chat box permanently? Its annoying when I don't want to see chat and I keep having to minimize that box.


The chatbox, unlikely. Some people are looking into config files for you, see if there's a way to turn off the actual in-game chat though. Sort of a mute-all that loads on boot. Might take a few days.

Well I'll be honest about one thing - I don't WANT to move as fast as everyone else. There, I said it. I'm just not into the whole "dodge right, fire, dodge left, fire, boost over here, use item, fly up in the sky, do a 180, boost some more, dodge, fire, dodge, use item, then do a triple twist backflip plus a squeeze of lemon" thing. It's why I gave up on first person shooters YEARS ago in the first place. I don't find it fun, or even "realistic" (an odd thing to say in a game about giant robots, I know). It's just not in me. I'm a laid back, lazy game player. Bottom line.

So for those players who, even with the best of intentions, believe that I need to move like a paranoid crack addict with a coffee high to become really good at the game, you're right. But my goal isn't to become top tier. My goal is to find a way to play that I'm comfortable with while still being somewhat helpful to my team-mates. Again, keep in mind that my favorite app on my tablet right now is Walking War Robots (because I'm very good at it), which is almost as slow as Mechwarrior. This is also why I spend 4/5 of my Hawken time in TDM - I don't want to drag down other players.

Some players have already said that, because of this, Hawken may not be for me. I get that, but only sort of. I know that I will never be as good as others, but I hope those who say things like this are not saying "There is no room in Hawken" for players like me, or, "Just don't ever be on my team." As best I understand, there's not a huge line of people out there banging on the door demanding that they can play too.

Like I said, I'm just hoping that Hawken, unlike most other FPS out there, allows for a more laid back play style in addition to the expert "twitchers".


As others have said, Hawkins Brawler or even a stock Rev Grenadier will stand you in good stead. But I do want to point some things out.

One, positioning is paramount. This is universal to all mech games. You can play the above mechs very lazily but you need to stick with your team and you need to not be exposed (out of position). That means using your radar. Which means learning to pay constant attention to it while piloting your mech. This is one of those basic skills coldform was talking about.

Two, twitch is not an artefact of fast-paced mechs or even games. It's a basic skill of FPSes, a subset of the most basic: aim. You need to come to terms with that. It's hard, I know. I'm still working on it after THREE YEARS of practice and Im still pretty mediocre. But there's no way around needing to be able to rapidly acquire a target.
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games are not fun to me anymore, because i treat a person and an NPC as the same thing...

 

i cannot distinguish the difference anymore, so im left at a neutral state of mind... don't care how a community is... if i enjoy the game, then i enjoy it.

 

edit: if there's someone talking, i usually just mute them because i don't like listening to other people.


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Those 2 internals should not be allowed at once.. i checked that today although you've to forget about certain 3 slots internal if you decide to do that...

 

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this may belong in an entirely different thread, but  Profanity.

TDM clan may be the ideal place to adopt a No Profanity, Family environment akin to what TAW demands of its player base.  Having spent 21 years in the Navy, yes, i spew like a sailor, but i can conform, and at least apologize if i get Rekt to the Rafters and slip up.

Maybe it's time to look at this. It isn't the first time someone (friended and never seen again) remarked upon the "Gutter French" spoken in TeamSpeak 9152.

I believe this is fully related to the OP.

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I'm sure that an admin on the TeamSpeak could put you in a private room with only a selected mentor player?

 

Then you could get advice from a mentor in real time, and not get all the other fuzzy bunny that you don't like about teamspeak?


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I'm sure that an admin on the TeamSpeak could put you in a private room with only a selected mentor player?

 

Then you could get advice from a mentor in real time, and not get all the other fuzzy bunny that you don't like about teamspeak?

 

Sure, it's just that neither I nor any other admin in their right mind will give him the guarantee he probably and fairly wants.



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you really that bad?

 

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Ehhhhnnnn. Disagree and I say that as the most anal super-admin. TDM is great, and would probably quite happily censor themselves for children's ears but the open night is not a night it would work on. I had to bail because the noise was oppressive and quite frankly there are too many people to effectively control themselves. Maybe a smaller practice?


As one of the TDM leads I second this. We'd love to have you swing by, but one of our regular practices would be a better idea than open mech night. OMN is generally too large for us to enforce cencorship properally; during a regular practice it's a little easier
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Kittten you will love XCOM 2. Pure strategy. No jerkin involved. Comes out Feb 5th.

 


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If XCOM2 is rated "Mature", as it seems it will be, then we will not be giving it a try.  Unfortunately (for us) we live in a world now where all the best games that I would otherwise enjoy are rated Teen or especially "Mature", which automatically takes it off our list.

 

Thanks for trying though :)



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If XCOM2 is rated "Mature", as it seems it will be, then we will not be giving it a try. Unfortunately (for us) we live in a world now where all the best games that I would otherwise enjoy are rated Teen or especially "Mature", which automatically takes it off our list.

Thanks for trying though :)


FYI Hawken is rated Teen, in case you were not aware.
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While teen rated youre not blowing your enemies up like blood sausages in hawken. A heep of smoldering steel doesn't keep the kiddies up like seeing body parts flying from a grenade explosion.

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I don't think a game with bloody bodyparts would be teen rated anyway.

But the OP made it pretty clear that teen rated games are a big nono.


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