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Hey everyone,

 

Nept and I talked about it a bit, and we both think it might be a cool idea to make friendly fire a thing in future Hawken leagues and tournaments. It would raise the skill ceiling and emphasize team communication.

 

What's your take on FF in comp Herken?


Edited by DerMax, 19 April 2015 - 05:56 AM.

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Not only in comp HWK. Everywhere!


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It could be fun. Except when you kill someone out of frustration because they were in the enemy team a game before and drove you completely nuts. ( i would so do that to you DerMax, oops my tow just slipped :3 )

But i guess that wouldn't be a concern in the real serious tournament games so yeah sounds good.


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In tournament games, yes. In regular games? No. Would be abused no end by trolls.


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yes i love the idea  too...also would be great if we have these kind of server in every region .not only for Hawken leagues and tournaments or privet server .

 

Pub server (make it friendly fire and no radar ) 



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Having FF would do two things. Slow down the game and make griefing way easier. We see it in APB so often that they've implimented a boot from server system. I vote no.

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No, I think this game is too fast paced for this. It might work in world of tanks but here its too chaotic to manage. Wait, it might get rid of using a tech. I'm all for it incompetitive
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Having FF would do two things. Slow down the game and make griefing way easier. We see it in APB so often that they've implimented a boot from server system. I vote no.

Griefing in comp play???


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But we already can enable friendly fire in custo mservers and that's the place where comp HWK is played, right?.


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Having FF would do two things. Slow down the game and make griefing way easier. We see it in APB so often that they've implimented a boot from server system. I vote no.

not in every server , like having 1 or 2 server for each region .



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Griefing in comp play???


Rare, yes. Unheard of? Not by a long shot. Unheard of in Hawken? Perhaps. Ever been endlessly EMPed by some flunky that recognized you from the forum? I have. I just stopped healing that individual.
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Rare, yes. Unheard of? Not by a long shot. Unheard of in Hawken? Perhaps. Ever been endlessly EMPed by some flunky that recognized you from the forum? I have. I just stopped healing that individual.

Do you know what competitive play is?



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Do you know what competitive play is?


I do. I adressed that and continued on to reference non comp play.

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Only if I can also have the option for turning off friendly weapon collision.  Playing a match without plowing a tow into my "helpful" teammate's back would be magical.

 

Seriously, have you ever had those rounds?  Where there's that one guy who is practically grinding on you?  Fun stuff.


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Seriously, have you ever had those rounds?  Where there's that one guy who is practically grinding on you?  Fun stuff.

 

I'm told that Xacius has those types of rounds nightly.


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I'm told that Xacius has those types of rounds nightly.

That's hawt.


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have it be an option for competitive play servers only, not on pubs. 


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Can't remember if it's Battlefield or CoD, but doesn't one of those have a Hardcore mode where FF is enabled? Could always just have a FF server or two alongside the normal ones.

 

As for comp. Y'all go nuts. Might as well figure out what does and doesn't work early on.


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Do you know what competitive play is?

 

Do YOU know what competitive play is?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Do YOU know what competitive play is?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

lol

Not sure what you mean.



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I love it when people who have never participated in competitive play have all kinds of opinions about it. We really need more of this. Please. Tell us more.
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Not sure what you mean.

 

 

I love it when people who have never participated in competitive play have all kinds of opinions about it. We really need more of this. Please. Tell us more.


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Comp sure. Pub never. As is I get people dashing in front of me resulting in tow face explosions. I'm down for a hardcore mode server though, whatever that would entail.
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In tournament games, yes. In regular games? No. Would be abused no end by trolls.

 

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Do YOU know what competitive play is?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

lol

 

I love it when people who have never participated in competitive play have all kinds of opinions about it. We really need more of this. Please. Tell us more.

 

 

So, Vodka People never did any competitive matches or played competitively? Good to know.


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Elite, I think Merl61's post did not address OP, at least I hope so. As Kopra pointed it out VP played in comp matches and its members won first and second place in the EUFC tournament.


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@Elite

 

Not only have I participated in Hawken's comp play extensively, but our clan, Vodka People, has won every single game when we played with our strongest roster. We have literally never lost a game, whatever the game mode — TDM, MA or Siege. By saying what you just said, you have shown your complete ignorance regarding the EU comp scene of the past.

 

Furthermore, Elite, your inflated skill-ego is absolutely laughable. Vodka People in the clan's prime would 40-0 six players of your caliber in a TDM match. Don't jump ahead of yourself.

 

And finally, Merl definitely did not refer to the OP, because by saying what he said he would also take a jab at Nept's competitive past — a big no-no for any reasonable person.


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I am opposed to this in the current iteration of Hawken because it would further separate the comp players for the remainder of the player base.


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I am opposed to this in the current iteration of Hawken because it would further separate the comp players for the remainder of the player base.

We already do different events with custom rules.


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We already do different events with custom rules.

 

My concern is not that normal players won't be able to play comp modes, but that comp players will cease to play normal servers.


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@Elite

 

Not only have I participated in Hawken's comp play extensively, but our clan, Vodka People, has won every single game when we played with our strongest roster. We have literally never lost a game, whatever the game mode — TDM, MA or Siege. By saying what you just said, you have shown your complete ignorance regarding the EU comp scene of the past.

 

Furthermore, Elite, your inflated skill-ego is absolutely laughable. Vodka People in the clan's prime would 40-0 six players of your caliber in a TDM match. Don't jump ahead of yourself.

 

And finally, Merl definitely did not refer to the OP, because by saying what he said he would also take a jab at Nept's competitive past — a big no-no for any reasonable person.

 

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Friendly fire good. I mean bad. But good.



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I'm told that Xacius has those types of rounds nightly.


Requoted as is relevant to my humor. Humor level: max. Prepare to terminated. Laughter level: dangerous.

Also. To clarify my posts. They are mostly related to non comp play as there were a few posts about brining it regular servers. I like my arena style mech shooters to be arena style mech shooters. Not everything needs a touch of realism.
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@Elite

 

Not only have I participated in Hawken's comp play extensively, but our clan, Vodka People, has won every single game when we played with our strongest roster. We have literally never lost a game, whatever the game mode — TDM, MA or Siege. By saying what you just said, you have shown your complete ignorance regarding the EU comp scene of the past.

 

Furthermore, Elite, your inflated skill-ego is absolutely laughable. Vodka People in the clan's prime would 40-0 six players of your caliber in a TDM match. Don't jump ahead of yourself.

 

And finally, Merl definitely did not refer to the OP, because by saying what he said he would also take a jab at Nept's competitive past — a big no-no for any reasonable person.

 

Except there was a "lol". I was mugging you off :p


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Except there was a "lol". I was mugging you off :p

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Hey everyone,

 

Nept and I talked about it a bit, and we both think it might be a cool idea to make friendly fire a thing in future Hawken leagues and tournaments. It would raise the skill ceiling and emphasize team communication.

 

What's your take on FF in comp Herken?

Talking about friendly fire in Hawken isn't a new concept, but it is one I would also like to see. Originally friendly fire was casually talked about as a means of countering the tech and mech blobs. Unfortunately many of the forum members at the time were against friendly fire.



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With Friendly Fire EPA_EnjeliaH_FOX destroy his team 0 to 40  :laugh: hahaahah .....  


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@Elite

 

Not only have I participated in Hawken's comp play extensively, but our clan, Vodka People, has won every single game when we played with our strongest roster. We have literally never lost a game, whatever the game mode — TDM, MA or Siege. By saying what you just said, you have shown your complete ignorance regarding the EU comp scene of the past.

 

Furthermore, Elite, your inflated skill-ego is absolutely laughable. Vodka People in the clan's prime would 40-0 six players of your caliber in a TDM match. Don't jump ahead of yourself.

 

And finally, Merl definitely did not refer to the OP, because by saying what he said he would also take a jab at Nept's competitive past — a big no-no for any reasonable person.

My post was certainly not in reference to Der, but rather a general comment about many participants on this forum. Also, If vodka people still exist, vanguard would be more than happy to play them on the east region. Many of our players are USW so playing in europe isn't really an option. If you guys don't want to play on east that's fine, but the offer is on the table. 


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My post was certainly not in reference to Der, but rather a general comment about many participants on this forum. Also, If vodka people still exist, vanguard would be more than happy to play them on the east region. Many of our players are USW so playing in europe isn't really an option. If you guys don't want to play on east that's fine, but the offer is on the table. 

We only have about 3 to 4 active players atm, and we're quite out of shape right now. The rest of the crew are waiting for some tangible changes to the game until they can get back to playing seriously. Our strongest player, Deadmen_Tim, is really busy taking online courses, so there's that.






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