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Hello Everyone!

 

We've been so slammed as you can imagine with the Xbox Console launch today and the upcoming launch next week for PS4. We've all been reading your feedback, and I know some of you are upset, so I'd love the opportunity to talk with you about it. Please reach out to Tiggs and schedule an interview.

 

We've seen some of you in the Console streams helping out, so thanks for that. We all want to see Hawken do well, so it can continue on.  Some of you are upset with me/us/the company as a whole for not communicating better with you (heck I’m frustrated with myself; it could have been so much more fun).  Again, we had contractual obligations to uphold, and quit honestly the console launches are what will enable the PC to continue on.  While some of you are thinking I'd rather have it shut down (do I really come across as thinking that?), that is not what anybody wants.  We and 505 Games know the potential that Hawken has and we want this legacy to continue on.   Watching the streams, many of the new players are loving the game.  It's not going to be for everyone - no game is - but it's great to watch so many enjoy the experience.

 

Next up for us is the PS4 launch.  We'll be slammed again but we see the light at the end of the tunnel.  Once we get the console launches out of the way, we'll be starting work on the PC, additional content, and new systems.  We want all venues to grow, including PC; there’s no reason for it to be otherwise.  And 505 Games is actually of the same opinion.  Microsoft and Sony are fully behind Hawken, as are all kinds of other partners who want to see the game become a permanent fixture in the video game world and beyond.

 

Tiggs will be posting some information you asked for in the next few minutes.  And, if you’d like a chance to talk with me, even if it is only for the chance to vent, let’s schedule it.  We can do that.

 

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if i may ask here are the Nief and Charge to be bundle exclusive? err G2s i mean


Edited by Shade__, 01 July 2016 - 08:40 PM.

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The goal is for us to keep the games as exactly the same as possible for cross platform play.  There may be some mechs that are only in one platform.  


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The goal is for us to keep the games as exactly the same as possible for cross platform play.  There may be some mechs that are only in one platform.  

you better do this, because, well... you know, just right now EVERY PC player HATE this thing with 2 seeker and 100500 DPS while ability with auto-guidance
This mech is forged in the smithy of Satan, and it should not be born on the PC.

Let Nief as a X-box exclusive


Edited by nepacaka, 02 July 2016 - 12:39 AM.

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The goal is for us to keep the games as exactly the same as possible for cross platform play.  There may be some mechs that are only in one platform.  

welp i hope we get Charge on PC.


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Might be a bit soon; but when cross-platform is introduced, will Legacy mechs be able to be used in those lobbies? Also, are there any special ways Legacy mechs will be differentiated from their counterparts, other than appearance and weapons? There have been some suggestions regarding this. 


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Not really sure where to ask this or address this but are you not able to change your weapons and items and internals on the Xbox one Version of Hawken????  is this a problem or has the garage or whatever not been added yet? note i am new and just wondering.



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I don't want my PC Hawken to look anything like the console versions....thank you very much.  :yucky:

 

But the reality is that's what it will come down to....(sure I'll lose my Cupcake, SA Hawken Brawler and most everything else for the greater good of the game to survive ?)....I'm very sad  :sad:


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Oh good no, the UI is horrible and everything else that comes with the console version…


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I don't want my PC Hawken to look anything like the console versions....thank you very much.  :yucky:

 

But the reality is that's what it will come down to....(sure I'll lose my Cupcake, SA Hawken Brawler and most everything else for the greater good of the game to survive ?)....I'm very sad  :sad:

you'll keep your cupcake chassis but people can buy cupcake arms/legs/feet witch is stupid.


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We want to keep things the same, but we are making it so things are not the same.

 

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Number 4 in this list, not bad

 


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  and quit honestly the console launches are what will enable the PC to continue on.
 
 
 
 
I want everyone to pay attention to this.  The top priority for the owners of Hawken are to establish a market that will sustain the game long-term.  I'm ok if PC development takes a back seat to consoles if that's how it has to be to keep the game alive. 
 
If the game doesn't pan out on consoles then the devs probably won't support the game on PC either.  I just hope that you are successful in making the game appealing to console players.  I don't hold out much hope for a resurgence in new PC players without major changes to the game.

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+1 with SpinChuz...

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I am curious...

 

as to whom im talking to?

 

tiggs talking to herself in 3rd person...

 

or josh ON tiggs account?

 

must we really have to guess MORE about which dev is which,

I mean MORE than we already do about the future of the game


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I am curious...

as to whom im talking to?

tiggs talking to herself in 3rd person...

or josh ON tiggs account?

must we really have to guess MORE about which dev is which,
I mean MORE than we already do about the future of the game



I'm pretty sure this is something josh typed up and had tiggs post here

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the question is...

 

WHY?

 

why not post it himself?

 

i mean considering all things, it feels mildly deceitful


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I dunno.. he's lazy? Busy? Locked in the basement at Reloaded's office? Who knows.
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The goal is for us to keep the games as exactly the same as possible for cross platform play.  There may be some mechs that are only in one platform.  

 

So does this mean that there will be platform-exclusive servers?


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I do appreciate the communication (now that there can be some?) and reassurances.  I don't think any of the upcoming changes are out of malice towards the PC user base.

 

You guys have some kind of manual or company policy or similar informing your development path.  "This is how it's done." In regards to consoles, game design, the Great Silence 2.0, everything no doubt.  That said, on some things, it would have served you, greatly, to be up front.  If you always intended to return customization in future iterations of the game, it would have been for the best that you mention it in the Dev Q&A thread, instead of just telling us weapon choices will be pared down to one per mech, followed by us seeing locked internals.

 

As long as you're genuinely open to feedback, everything will work out.  Because we've got some glaring problems that ought to be addressed.  We need to talk about the Charge's ability, scanner being a disproportionately useful (to the point of being overpowered) item, versus something like HE grenade, and just how steep the new vertical progression is going to get over time.

 

I really hope Hawken does well on consoles.  It's been a long time since it has done well anywhere.  Good luck, RLD.



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I do appreciate the communication (now that there can be some?) and reassurances.  I don't think any of the upcoming changes are out of malice towards the PC user base.

 

You guys have some kind of manual or company policy or similar informing your development path.  "This is how it's done." In regards to consoles, game design, the Great Silence 2.0, everything no doubt.  That said, on some things, it would have served you, greatly, to be up front.  If you always intended to return customization in future iterations of the game, it would have been for the best that you mention it in the Dev Q&A thread, instead of just telling us weapon choices will be pared down to one per mech, followed by us seeing locked internals.

 

As long as you're genuinely open to feedback, everything will work out.  Because we've got some glaring problems that ought to be addressed.  We need to talk about the Charge's ability, scanner being a disproportionately useful (to the point of being overpowered) item, versus something like HE grenade, and just how steep the new vertical progression is going to get over time.

 

I really hope Hawken does well on consoles.  It's been a long time since it has done well anywhere.  Good luck, RLD.

 

company policy sounds about right.



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Ugh, what kind of chode keeps company with policy?

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Not really sure where to ask this or address this but are you not able to change your weapons and items and internals on the Xbox one Version of Hawken????  is this a problem or has the garage or whatever not been added yet? note i am new and just wondering.

Same problem here! =(

Other than that I'm really enjoying this game!



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Same problem here! =(
Other than that I'm really enjoying this game!


You are not currently allowed to swap weapons, items, nor internals in the console version of Hawken. There are rumors flying around that it will be re-added to the game later down the road, but as it stands right now, there is zero meaningful customization in the game outside of cosmetics. This was an apparently intentional move by the developers.

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I reckon they ran out of time to meet the E3 deadline and some console release schedule promises they made back in time. The updates to the UI probably dictated a development schedule that meant losing out on some weapon / item customisation functionality.

 

Just a poorly thought out theory I had while walking to werk today.


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I reckon they ran out of time to meet the E3 deadline and some console release schedule promises they made back in time. The updates to the UI probably dictated a development schedule that meant losing out on some weapon / item customisation functionality.

 

Just a poorly thought out theory I had while walking to werk today.

 

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I've clocked over 900 hrs on Hawken in Steam. Ive been playing since the night of the release, 12.12.12 as stated by fellow pilots.

 

 

 

Is this progress? Great job and a pat on the back for "capnjosh"  and the rest of the familiars.

 

?Hawken lives stronger than ever.

 

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Not really sure where to ask this or address this but are you not able to change your weapons and items and internals on the Xbox one Version of Hawken????  is this a problem or has the garage or whatever not been added yet? note i am new and just wondering.

 

Not at this time. 

 

I am curious...

 

as to whom im talking to?

 

tiggs talking to herself in 3rd person...

 

or josh ON tiggs account?

 

must we really have to guess MORE about which dev is which,

I mean MORE than we already do about the future of the game

 

Josh wrote it up and I posted it. He's busy with the releases and I am getting things posted out on Social. 

 

the question is...

 

WHY?

 

why not post it himself?

 

i mean considering all things, it feels mildly deceitful

 

Because he's really busy with the console releases. 

 

So does this mean that there will be platform-exclusive servers?

 

Yes there will be platform exclusive servers.  


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