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No, the recent matchmaking revisions just tend to put higher-MMR players in with lower-MMR ones fairly often when there aren't many suitable servers open. He's been homophobic/racist in virtually every match I've been in with him, plus he feeds as hard as possible if he's on a team with with people (especially me, apparently) he doesn't like. I'm not offended by what he says or anything, but feeding gets old fast when I can usually only join the same server no matter how many times I quickmatch.


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Just focus fire the people who are being toxic and make a little game out of it and try to see how pissed off you can make them before they rage quit.

 

This takes me back to the days when teamwork meant getting Toymaker to rage quit.


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Just focus fire the people who are being toxic and make a little game out of it and try to see how pissed off you can make them before they rage quit.

I had to 20-0 Klown till his rage couldn't take it anymore and alt-f4ed. Fun stuff.

 

The flip side of the coin is to piss people off with the objective of being focused. It's hard mode! Dance puppets dance, etc.



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No, the recent matchmaking revisions just tend to put higher-MMR players in with lower-MMR ones fairly often when there aren't many suitable servers open. He's been homophobic/racist in virtually every match I've been in with him, plus he feeds as hard as possible if he's on a team with with people (especially me, apparently) he doesn't like. I'm not offended by what he says or anything, but feeding gets old fast when I can usually only join the same server no matter how many times I quickmatch.

 

Well, I can't say that I've seen this in my experience with him but 95% of the time I've seen him is in AU. Do you know if he's purposely feeding or is he actually trying but is feeding?



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He says things along the lines of "free kills here! I want x player to lose" so yes, I'm convinced he's intentionally feeding. 


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He says things along the lines of "free kills here! I want x player to lose" so yes, I'm convinced he's intentionally feeding. 

 

Okay, I'll be more attentive next time.



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The game is almost unplayable as it is at my mmr and ping.

 

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6 Characters and I know EXACTLY who you're talking about!  LOL  :teehee:   Dog bite good, run dog!  :yes:

 

FCK YOUR MOTHER


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Personally, I never have seen Rob rage at all.


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I'm kinda surprised no one has brought up the infamous Viking63 yet in this topic, the true embodiment of toxicity.


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Not this thread again. Toxic players, oh please, this a subjective view and can't be defined by rules and stuff. You have a mute button and this is all you need. As long as they are not intentionally feeding or stuff like that, there should be no reason to ban someone. Only actions should be bannable but no insulting. A ban should be the very last option and if it is the first ban it only should be temporary.

It is just not that much of a problem if someone spams the chat with insults. As said, mute, play, ignore and have fun.

In addition, I am sick of threads like this. Nothing against you merl or anyone else in person but stoo crying on the forums about such meaningless topics. Or place them atleast in the off topic forum or anywhere else than highly visited ones. Bad behavior is not a major problem ffs.
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In addition, I am sick of threads like this. Nothing against you merl or anyone else in person but stoo crying on the forums about such meaningless topics. Or place them atleast in the off topic forum or anywhere else than highly visited ones. Bad behavior is not a major problem ffs.

 

You fuzzy bunny about even dumber things  :pinch:


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You fuzzy bunny about even dumber things  :pinch:


Like what, huh? Come at me bro! :P

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How you do those things?! That's amazing. Do you have typography fetish maybe?  :ninja:


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How you do those things?! That's amazing. Do you have typography fetish maybe?  :ninja:


Even Windows has some tool that can give you almost every letter in any language and font you wish. Dunno how it is called in english though.

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I'm still waiting for actual examples of said toxicity.

 

"Toxicity" feels like one of those words that people liberally toss onto everything once they've learnt of it.

 

Did you just tell me to "f**king" get on AA? TOXICITY.

 

Did you just complain about the team being bad? TOXICITY.

 

Did you just accuse someone of aimbotting? TOXICITY.

 

Did you just express your discontent over anything whatsoever? TOXICITY.


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I'm still waiting for actual examples of said toxicity.

 

"Toxicity" feels like one of those words that people liberally toss onto everything once they've learnt of it.

 

Did you just tell me to "f**king" get on AA? TOXICITY.

 

Did you just complain about the team being bad? TOXICITY.

 

Did you just accuse someone of aimbotting? TOXICITY.

 

Did you just express your discontent over anything whatsoever? TOXICITY.

I feel like toxicity falls into categories of abusive chat or abusive play - hacking notwithstanding.

 

Abusive play would be things like EMPing teammates or feeding.

 

Abusive chat would be racial or religious slurs or just really excessive negative spam. Everything else is just whining. I see a little bit of abusive chat, but mostly just whining, so I usually tell them that they're whining. This is hit or miss. Sometimes they stop, although I'm sure begrudgingly after realizing that they are, sometimes they just keep going, and sometimes that provokes them to abusive chat.

 

Regardless, I don't get to use any sort of sharp tongued wit when I'm AFK, so I enjoy it and am pretty good at turning it on its head, so no skin off my back. Armored Klown I don't have tolerance for, though admittedly he's gotten better. It used to be 100% abuse, now it's more of a low level constant trolling. I won't deny that he can be fun to egg on though, but you wind up feeling a little bad for it. I could never muster a defense for him after some of the crap I've seen him say, but people forget quick.

 

I'd agree though, abuse, or toxicity certainly get tossed around more than necessary, and a lot of it boils down to one sentence.

 

It's the internet.


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I've been on the internet long enough to know that there are toxic people. My issue is not that they exist, or even that they play hawken. My issue is that they degrade the experience. Some (Like Klown) are just hilarious. Others will be racist / sexist / homophobic etc. Sticks and stones blah blah blah. The real threat is when they purposefully play the game in a sub par fassion in order to carry out their personal agenda. When they play their best and play well, I respect them (Dew). When they fuzzy bunny out and camp in their own spawn just to avoid getting killed or start emping teammates, that's where I draw the line. I care about the sanctity of the game, not its players.

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>Toxicity starts becoming a ban-able offense

 

>HAWKEN playerbase drops into double digits.

 

 

imo, if you can't just sit there and ignore it, you should go back to club penguin. 


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I've never once encountered any deliberate malicious team EMP attempts (except for against blatant aimbotters) in the 95 hours I've put in this game, is this really that common an occurrence for everyone else?



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It is true that if people started getting bans for such behavior the player-base would degrade in numbers way too much.

 

There is a difference between intentionally being a 'toxic player' or just saying stupid things in a heated argument, the latter of which i'm guilty of way more often than i'd really like to admit. It's a part of being competitive and it's pretty common almost anywhere, not something everyone has control over.

 

My point here is that most of the time these things get thrown around after a thought-process that lasted around 2 seconds, no use in taking that seriously no matter how offending it may be.


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I've never once encountered any deliberate malicious team EMP attempts (except for against blatant aimbotters) in the 95 hours I've put in this game, is this really that common an occurrence for everyone else?

In the 2000+ hours I've put into this game I've seen quite a few.
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I can't enter a game without encountering players who straight up hate everyone. The game is almost unplayable as it is at my mmr and ping. When you throw numbskulls into the mix who don't care to play and are only there to troll, it totally ruins what little experience is left. I would really really appreciate some formal policy surrounding in game interactions. Repeat offenders need to be banned. It's time Reloaded. This isn't hard. You already can ban people. You already read support tickets. Make a policy. Help us rid the toxic players from the game. Thank you. 

 

I would yell "USE THE MUTE BUTTON" like I normally do whenever people post threads like this, but... You're Merl, and a player who plays as much as you do should know where the mute button is.

 

Hm.

 

I dunno what to say, then.

 

We already have policies in place to report/ban abusive people, as Hawken's terms of service already prohibits abusive behavior. Not sure what else we can do.

 

I imagine that when Reloaded hires a full-time support team we will be able to bring the hammer down on people quicker and easier.

 

I'm kinda surprised no one has brought up the infamous Viking63 yet in this topic, the true embodiment of toxicity.

 

I've met this creature. And oh, how I laughed when I made him ragequit.  :smile:


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I'm kinda surprised no one has brought up the infamous Viking63 yet in this topic, the true embodiment of toxicity.

You are probably right, though I'm convinced he is actually chill and just does it for the 'lolz,' and isn't actually brimming with raging hatred, ALL OF THE TIME.


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I've never once encountered any deliberate malicious team EMP attempts (except for against blatant aimbotters) in the 95 hours I've put in this game, is this really that common an occurrence for everyone else?

There's SOMEONE_whoshallnotbe_NAMED on EU who does such things.

I see that player almost every day, doing the same fuzzy bunny - which he's been doing for over a year.

Here's a list of examples:

 

- Follows a specific player he hates around, bodyblocking movement and shots.

When engaging in combat he EMPs that player and just stands still, not even shooting the enemy.

 

- Constantly feeds by TOWing oneself twice in a Scout and then rocketing into the enemy team.

Sometimes he starts playing seriously in the last few minutes of a match.

 

- Insults specific people, like me, with whatever his vocabulary exists of.

 

The list goes on.

 

However the developers are firmly against banning the player, even though he was plainly feeding when in a match with Josh.

 

 

 

 

EDIT: Oh btw, tons of people've sent evidence of a well-known aimbot in EU..

Guess what, not banned either.


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This guy ? I remember seeing pretty long time ago, He wasn't 'toxic' or offensive imo, just constantly talking stuff like this to almost everyone in the match:

 

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I don't mind badmouthed people here and there as long as it's not over-the-top insulting.

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At this point I just want obvious hackers for which video proof has been submitted several weeks back by different people from different recordings to be banned.

 

He's still playing his reaper and SS, nothing has been done. I don't get it.


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Does "not adhering to the spirit of the game mode" count as toxic, as in, to the point that it should be a bannable offense?

By that i mean:

-In Siege, never going into the AA, instead sniping enemies with long range weapons, and belittleing you if you point out the error of that behavior, not caring if the player's team loses because of that

-In (non-Team) Deathmatch, players consistently teaming up (in the kill cam you won't ever see them attack each other, even if there is no other target to shoot at)

-Intentionally feeding in TDM


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No, the recent matchmaking revisions just tend to put higher-MMR players in with lower-MMR ones fairly often when there aren't many suitable servers open. He's been homophobic/racist in virtually every match I've been in with him, plus he feeds as hard as possible if he's on a team with with people (especially me, apparently) he doesn't like. I'm not offended by what he says or anything, but feeding gets old fast when I can usually only join the same server no matter how many times I quickmatch.

 

Hah, welcome to our struggle. We've got one such player in EU. We've filed countless tickets, and to absolutely no avail.


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i'm afraid to say this but yeah it's true  , one reason we are loosing people in EU region because of that player  :sad:



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This takes me back to the days when teamwork meant getting Toymaker to rage quit.

I kinda miss toymaker. I mean not really but I miss when he was a thing. When West was a thing.


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Others will be racist / sexist / homophobic etc.

This is the only reason I will report people based off of chat.


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i'm afraid to say this but yeah it's true  , one reason we are loosing people in EU region because of that player  :sad:

If we were going to name every player in EU who may be the reason for the loss of EU players we would start missing quite a lot of players on all skill levels.


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I am completely oblivious to these unmentionable terrors.

 

Oh well, ignorance is bliss.



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I've been on the internet long enough to know that there are toxic people. My issue is not that they exist, or even that they play hawken. My issue is that they degrade the experience. Some (Like Klown) are just hilarious. Others will be racist / sexist / homophobic etc. Sticks and stones blah blah blah. The real threat is when they purposefully play the game in a sub par fassion in order to carry out their personal agenda. When they play their best and play well, I respect them (Dew). When they fuzzy bunny out and camp in their own spawn just to avoid getting killed or start emping teammates, that's where I draw the line. I care about the sanctity of the game, not its players.

 

From 1 to 10 how toxic am I merl?  :tongue:


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From 1 to 10 how toxic am I merl?  :tongue:

 

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Racist/homophobic/physical threats are too far. You should get a warning and then a ban.

 

Yeah it's silly, it's videogames, it's the internet...But if this was a park, or a bar or something, and someone was yelling that stuff at people, they would be removed.The rest of the trash-talking, is par for the course. People are always going to be talking garbage on the internet. Always.

 

Having said that, if I ran a game server, and I was repeatedly hearing these reports about a select few people, action would be taken.

 

Viking63 is hilarious, it's like having a window into the mind of a raging preteen sperger. Same with xXxrx420blissxXx (I think I left out some X's from that name). They're funny because they are actually terrible at the game, and call hax on everyone who can hit a moving target or land a tow hit... so it's kind of amusing. 

 

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Wish I had more screenshots of this match, this one is kind of tame. The guy was a goldmine of comedy that day, threatening to get people banned from the game and inviting people to his hometown of Tulsa, Oklahoma to fight, you know, the crap that you would expect on Xbox live. Not cool, but not unexpected.

 

But at the same time threats to cut people's bellies open, racial slurs, etc...it gets a bit much and makes the game feel like it's totally unregulated.

 

When it's someone who has the skill to really wreck the game for everyone, makes an active effort to screw up the experience of one or two players, and is spouting death threats and skinhead language, it makes the atmosphere really unfriendly, especially for casual players. 

 

Mute button works for language, something a bit stronger may be needed for repeated, and extreme negative conduct.


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