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It occurred to me when watching AKbudder's stream that shout-casting these 3v3 tournaments would be totally epic! I am wondering if there are any in this community with commentary / shout-casting experience. Additionally, would your experience watching the pros play Hawken be better if there were commentators? Thanks for the feedback. GLHF. See you on the battlefield. 

 

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there is no functional spectator mode that isnt broken, otherwise there would be a major delay in commentary. yes this would be good but not practical atm


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The spec mode works last I checked. It wouldn't be hard to set up. 


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I don't watch hawken streams that much, in fact, maybe once a month if not less.
So I really dun care but why not having comments to the happening? You can never have enough sugar.

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I don't watch a lot of Hawken content because it's just regular gameplay. Well edited montages or interesting content, sure, but only gameplay is just... boring. 

 

I believe there was a thread some time ago asking what people would like to see in Hawken vids, and I feel that commentating on matches and talking about the decision making process and the reasoning behind it would make for very interesting videos, just like a speedrunner explaining the details of his run can hold your interest for a few hours.

 

Shoutcasting would then be the 'live' equivalent of this, and I am 100% for it.

 

 

I'll be trying to stream the Priority Target league soon, and hopefully more people will too. This would be a good opportunity to look further into this. Any volunteers?


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Yeah, that could make the streaming fun and interesting to watch.


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The thing that sets good videogame footage apart from boring videogame footage is consistent, energetic, and entertaining commentary.  I don't normally care to watch other people play games, but I started liking the game grumps a whole lot recently and danny & arin's banter is far more entertaining than anything going on on-screen 99% of the time.

 

Basically please do this.


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The thing that sets good videogame footage apart from boring videogame footage is consistent, energetic, and entertaining commentary.  I don't normally care to watch other people play games, but I started liking the game grumps a whole lot recently and danny & arin's banter is far more entertaining than anything going on on-screen 99% of the time.

 

Basically please do this.

 

 

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Additionally, would your experience watching the pros play Hawken be better if there were commentators?

Yes.

 

Any volunteers?

Yes.

 

And yes. This seems like a no-brainer to me. Never have I watched a competitive event that wasn't made more entertaining by having informed and experienced individuals discussing the gameplay as it happens and providing interesting perspective on player history, diet, whatever.
 

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I think commentating for tournaments would be awesome!

 

The only bummer is that I am sure some of the people capable of commentating are the ones that are playing in it.

 

The only other options come down to these, if we can get the spectating/cameras to work:

 

1) Commentators can't play in the tournament, unless there are enough to switch them in and out. 

2) People that are hosting the tournament commentate. I know this puts more work on their plate, but from what I have seen they're some of the most experienced people in the game and know the layout of the land on each map. It will just come down to how bubbly and exciting they can be!

3) I know I had a 3rd, but I can't remember now....brain fart....

 

Anywho, I think the ButtSatisfier and I may be down to try it depending on if the tournament works with our schedule and if we are playing in it or not.


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If I remember correctly, a little of this was done when the Cockpit would air Fight Night and it was, for the most part, entertaining.

 

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I would love to watch matches w/commentary. Takes some skill and knowledge :D


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I would love to watch matches w/commentary. Takes some skill and knowledge :D

 

Someone like Der3z would have been great...if he was still around.

 

 

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As Kirk said earlier, both he and I are interested in doing match commentary. I've alluded to as much in previous posts that I've made.

 

Kirk and I have significant credentials that make us highly qualified for this position.

  • Kirk and I have such chemistry - especially since we live together and play at the same desk - that we would be an ideal fit. For example, the only reason that we're both dating engaged to and married to such beautiful women is because they saw the intense charisma between Kirk and I when we dreamily gazed into each other's eyes and told uproarious tales of our past.
  • We both enjoy discussing topics at length, especially if it's he and I talking about something else that we enjoy. Like Hawken or the volleyball scene from Top Gun.
  • I feel like we both have a decent handle on Hawken strategery and mechanics so we can intersperse some actual serious talk into the commentary between the times he and I will be bullshitting and having lulz
  • We both have mics, use them, and don't have fuzzy bunny computers that will take a fuzzy bunny in the middle of the match

One minor issue is that neither of us have streamed before, but that shouldn't take much for us to get off the ground. There's multiple people in TANG that can help us out. However, from glazing over this thread I've gathered that the primary issue will be the lack of a spectator mode. A few ideas to address that:

  1. Make the servers where matches will be held hold 13 or 14 people if they don't already. Either Kirk or I can stream from inside the match as a Predator permanently cloaked and moving from vantage point to vantage point. The person not streaming then just moves his chair over about 6", watches the game in real time, and together we make sweet sweet commentary.
  2. If people are terrified of seeing a cloaked figure moving through a match then Kirk and I both choose brightly colored technicians and hop around healing each other in the event of stray fire. One person still streams. Added benefit: we see all player positions between the two of us, but obviously only the person streaming will show that team's positions.

I'm not holding out for an effective spectator mode to come out anytime soon, so I think if we want to move forward then we work with what we have. Only teams that would want the match commentary would receive it assuming scheduling works out; if a team during a match doesn't want commentary then we don't have to be there. We understand if your team is full of scrubs and you don't want us to talk about it. Really, it's fine.

 

 

The spec mode works last I checked. It wouldn't be hard to set up.

 

Wait, really? Go on...


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Unfortunately any method of speculating that isn't Hawken's backend spectator mode or "from the stands" in FightClub should not and cannot fairly be allowed. Cloaked figures are distracting and in team games another mech on the battlefield expands your effective radar range. It the same reason why if you volunteer to sit, you need to go jam your cockpit into the nearest corner and not look around.

Fortunately there is a spectator mode. Im not sure if they want even so much as the means to request it public, so I recommend asking Ashfire908.

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Fortunately there is a spectator mode. Im not sure if they want even so much as the means to request it public, so I recommend asking Ashfire908.

 

Merl, you seem to know what this is about. Do you mind following up?


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I vote we bring back AK as official shoutcaster. 


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Merl, you seem to know what this is about. Do you mind following up?

I'll help you out for sure:)


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I would love to lend my voice. I know a lot about Hawken, watch a lot of esports, and have a good voice/public speaking skills.

 

 

Also, spectator mode works for some accounts yes. However, it does cause errors in the game sometimes. Also is very cumbersome to use when needed to switch views to other players.


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I'll help you out for sure:)

 

Awesome! Actually I'll ping Ashfire (unless you have a craving to do so yourself) and see how we might be able to do this. I'll open a PM with you once I get the ball rolling. Don't be afraid to pester me if you think I'm taking too long either.


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Requesting spectator mode is done through support now. If you need spectator mode for something, file a ticket requesting it, including:

  • Why you need it
  • How long you will need it for

This is just so we can keep track of why people have it (previously the system was no system so when we audited the list of people with it, we found we had no idea why the majority of people that had it had been granted it).


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Just curious..

 

this is all about private custom servers only, is that so ?


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Just curious..

 

this is all about private custom servers only, is that so ?

This is specifically about comp matches which only occur on the private servers. 


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Unfortunately any method of speculating that isn't Hawken's backend spectator mode or "from the stands" in FightClub should not and cannot fairly be allowed. Cloaked figures are distracting and in team games another mech on the battlefield expands your effective radar range. It the same reason why if you volunteer to sit, you need to go jam your cockpit into the nearest corner and not look around.

Fortunately there is a spectator mode. Im not sure if they want even so much as the means to request it public, so I recommend asking Ashfire908.

He's right, but that's some great thinking. Would be amazing to be able to have two floating cams!!! 


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