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60,000 HC and 150,000 XP is still worth to me.


Worth it to you doesn't mean good for the game. Prices that high are terrible for retention
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Worth it to you doesn't mean good for the game. Prices that high are terrible for retention

I don't agree with their decision. Paying for 5 or so mechs for 2 and grinding out one to rank 6 to spend triple its original price for the next is not good, I'm just willing to do it.


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Edited to make my point clearer.

 

You really aren't making much sense- how is it salty to be disgusted at price gouging, regardless of which mech it is, or the price of internals & items?

 

You take a good game, with an interesting spin on the genre, then run it into the ground and kill the player base by making it too expensive or time consuming to progress, and people don't have a right to be just a little upset, or at least disappointed? That's what it sounds like, and that's just not right in anyones mind, or it shouldn't be. 


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You really aren't making much sense- how is it salty to be disgusted at price gouging, regardless of which mech it is, or the price of internals & items?

 

You take a good game, with an interesting spin on the genre, then run it into the ground and kill the player base by making it too expensive or time consuming to progress, and people don't have a right to be just a little upset, or at least disappointed? That's what it sounds like, and that's just not right in anyones mind, or it shouldn't be. 

Howken as you have come to call it is perfect and i don't see why you would think otherwise.


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Oh, it's some kind of failed attempt at sarcasm- I see. *wink wink*


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Anything more than $5 per mech is not a "micro-transaction" engine anymore.  There goes another whole crop of new players :(


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Anything more than $5 per mech is not a "micro-transaction" engine anymore. There goes another whole crop of new players :(


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Anything more than $5 per mech is not a "micro-transaction" engine anymore.  There goes another whole crop of new players :(

 

Even at that pricing, you're looking at $145 for all the mechs ( you get a starter mech for free, yay ), then the cost of internals, items and cosmetics on top, assuming the buyer didn't want to grind at all. Still hellish expensive- I'd rather pay $20-30 for the game and unlock stuff with a minimal amount of grind and / or play time for each 'item', so that there is a real sense of steady progression. 

 

Free to play, isn't. :-/


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Even at that pricing, you're looking at $145 for all the mechs ( you get a starter mech for free, yay ), then the cost of internals, items and cosmetics on top, assuming the buyer didn't want to grind at all. Still hellish expensive- I'd rather pay $20-30 for the game and unlock stuff with a minimal amount of grind and / or play time for each 'item', so that there is a real sense of steady progression. 

 

Free to play, isn't. :-/

I think many people share that consideration. Even I think the game would do better with most everything unlocked with an upfront base cost to purchase the game. But lets get real, please. Who in their right mind is going to buy EVERYTHING with real money to avoid having to play the game more than they have to? Sure, I've spent a few leftover MC here and there to unlock a pesky internal or weapon. Like twice. That's pretty reasonable. But to spend that much money on a game, purely to reduce the amount of time you have to spend playing a game is absurd especially when everything gameplay related is obtainable by playing the game.

 

Edited for clarity on the last sentence


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Oh, I know- I doubt anyone would actually spend that much money to buy everything in the game, other than perhaps some 5-10 year olds using their parents account ( see: mobile phone games with micro transactions and all that drama in recent years ).

 

It's more the fact it would cost that much if you wanted to- triple A games cost ~$60, and for that you get everything, besides any paid-for expansion packs and such. For a small indy-dev to, on paper, be asking for triple that amount is what frightens me.

 

Regards time, this goes back to the 60,000HC per mech issue someone noted. It's one thing to play for a few days to unlock each successive mech, totalling a few months to unlock most of them ( then X amount of time to get really good with them ), it's another to grind for a month or more just to unlock one mech

 

That is the whole point though- make it take way, way too long to unlock stuff, thus forcing people to pay real money to unlock them faster, or to stop playing altogether out of frustration. Paying for cosmetics was always fine, but that isn't the case any more, especially since the amount of cosmetics available has been nerfed ( no swapping out chassis etc ). Oh well...


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not that its overly relevant but i have spent c lose to 200 usd  (close to 250-300 NZD) on hawken already....

 

I will prob spend more....

 

as for the grind time, I dont agree to the 45k hc for a mech, thats a bit redic, but then i would like to point out that MOST of us have 300K+ and nothing to spend it on other than holo taunts....

 

so overally, MEH, bring it... im more concerned about balance and anti cheat than GAME currency pricing atm tbh


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as for the grind time, I dont agree to the 45k hc for a mech, thats a bit redic, but then i would like to point out that MOST of us have 300K+ and nothing to spend it on other than holo taunts....

I spent around 60,000 HC on Holos and Consumables a few days ago, So I only have 170k or so, 


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not that its overly relevant but i have spent c lose to 200 usd  (close to 250-300 NZD) on hawken already....

 

I will prob spend more....

 

as for the grind time, I dont agree to the 45k hc for a mech, thats a bit redic, but then i would like to point out that MOST of us have 300K+ and nothing to spend it on other than holo taunts....

 

so overally, MEH, bring it... im more concerned about balance and anti cheat than GAME currency pricing atm tbh

 

"GAME currency pricing", as you put it, directly affects whether or not we'll ever see an update on pc Hawken. I've also spent more than I care to admit, but you have to realize that isn't the average customer. Player retention is the only thing that matters right now, and a harsh grind does not promote that.


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"GAME currency pricing", as you put it, directly affects whether or not we'll ever see an update on pc Hawken. I've also spent more than I care to admit, but you have to realize that isn't the average customer. Player retention is the only thing that matters right now, and a harsh grind does not promote that.

Oh Im not arguing there at all crock, as i said,..

 

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" I dont agree to the 45k hc for a mech, thats a bit redic, "

 

I totaly agree with your point,

 

Reloaded and 505 need to focus on player RETENTION...

 

on average most people i have introduced to hawken ( INCLUDING CONSOLE ) play for on average about a week before they either get sick of being stomped, bored of grinding HC and XP to unlock and buy mechs...

 

this is fairly tell tail of a bad retention plan...

 

all i was saying is that personally im more concerned about anti cheat and game balance... personal priorities i guess...

 

maybe im more concerned about those two factors becasue im sick of being told " new content is coming " and waiting another year....


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I think these prices are absurd.

 

From my perspective, if I had been given a free demo/trial period of Hawken, I would have quickly made the decision to buy it for $50-60 retail.  No brainer.

 

But, I loathe games with so-called "micro-transactions".  Hell, the first (and last) time I spent money on something in Hawken was to get the Hon parts... and afterwards, I was furious that they only worked on the mech that was active when I purchased them.  When I thought I could use those parts on every B-Class mech, I was still a little reluctant to drop real cash on cosmetics - I've never cared enough about playing virtual dress-up to think it's worth real money - but I did and I regretted it.

 

The point I'm making is that I felt the game itself, grind (as it was/is on PC) included as a given, was worth 'full price'.   But expecting me to pay to avoid a really steep grind wall for mechs and whatnot that are actually needed to stay competitive (because they are literally better), and to pay these prices for them...  NOPE!  I'm out at that point.

 

Where they could have sold me the current PC version of Hawken for $50-60 US, as is, they're going to never see a penny from me because I don't play games where people can pay to win... and where the game is engineered to make me feel like that's my only realistic choice.


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For what it's worth the few people I've gotten to try this game never played more than a few hours at best and never picked it up again. I'd feel embarrassed as hell if I hyped up this game to someone only for them to find it's grindy as hell or pay to win.


I haven't played the "new" console version yet but I likely won't be telling anyone else about this game until the pc version is updated and I can be confident I'm telling them about something that's actually enjoyable to play and doesn't have insane grind or real world costs to get anything that's worth using.
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Q. Is anyone taking bets on whether new maps ( if / when they arrive ) will cost 'money' to play on? Just a thought I had.

 

Personally speaking, I do have a 300k of HC saved up, as do many of us have a stock pile, but that's because we are the hardcore few; 99% of players won't have a stock pile so notions of affording all the new mechs with saved up HC go right out the window.

 

Seeing how OP certain mechs are in the console build ( Nief ), it will be even harder and more expensive for newer players to be or remain competitive if they can't afford said mechs, not to mention older mechs losing their alt weapons and only a few hundred of us ( at best ) will have grandfathered weapons, hopefully, which makes it even harder for newer players to be competitive and want to play for very long.

 

Also, NA and EU servers are laggy as heck, plz fix k thnx bye.


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Q. Is anyone taking bets on whether new maps ( if / when they arrive ) will cost 'money' to play on? Just a thought I had.

 

 

My money is on them charging money.

 

... only a few hundred of us ( at best ) will have grandfathered weapons...

 

They haven't actually said that we'll get to keep them.  A couple of months ago they said, "We're planning on trying to let PC people keep their mechs".  "Planning" on "Trying".


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For what it's worth the few people I've gotten to try this game never played more than a few hours at best and never picked it up again.

 

I've had the same experience, though none of my friends had any specific complaints about it, Hawken just didn't hold their attention for whatever reason.


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They haven't actually said that we'll get to keep them.  A couple of months ago they said, "We're planning on trying to let PC people keep their mechs".  "Planning" on "Trying".

 

Hence, 'hopefully'. I get the distinct feeling that someone who pushes pencils for a living will decide that the PC version of the game will essentially be 'rebooted'- we might get to keep the mechs we own, but weapons, internals, items etc, all that will be reset to the new console-style of locked-down options and no customisation.

 

If the game lasts a year an is still making them money, they might actually implement customisation across platforms, and we'll have to buy back everything we already owned, again.

 

I do understand why a small number of players have been nothing but optimistic and kind towards Reloaded, but past form and the lack of transparency so far has taught the more cynical amongst us to be less hopeful for what is heading our way...


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