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Sure, it is referring to fighting games, but a lot of the advice can apply to new Hawken players with few, if any, changes.



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ehhhhhhhhhhh no.

 

When the video picks up about halfway through he starts by talking about serious changes(putting emphasis on controls, more specifically 2 less attack buttons AND direct assist buttons). The only real original control for HAWKEN is its simple dodge feature; It's not a hard transition to make.

 

Later he talks about the community, more specifically being matched up with players that are far better than you. Although this is a problem in HAWKEN, it isn't very serious, especially considering that HAWKEN has a matchmaking system, whereas these older fighting games don't.

 

After this he mentions how being new to these fighting games can be tough because of their matchmaking systems (or lack thereof). Again, this doesn't even remotely apply to HAWKEN, as it isn't a new game at all and has a decent matchmaking system.

 

The rest of his points really aren't innovative or informative, and pretty much apply to every game. These points include him saying that you learn by fighting better players, that people are discouraged by losing, that winning feels good, and that the more you play the better you get (shockers, I know).

 

You aren't at fault though, you are a new player as well (In fact, the content creator has completely mislabeled his video).



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ehhhhhhhhhhh no.

 

When the video picks up about halfway through he starts by talking about serious changes(putting emphasis on controls, more specifically 2 less attack buttons AND direct assist buttons). The only real original control for HAWKEN is its simple dodge feature; It's not a hard transition to make.

 

(((I said advice. MvC2's 2 less buttons and the like aren't meant to be parallel to Hawken. This is very much a video on fighting games, but there are some parallels that can be made here.)))

 

Later he talks about the community, more specifically being matched up with players that are far better than you. Although this is a problem in HAWKEN, it isn't very serious, especially considering that HAWKEN has a matchmaking system, whereas these older fighting games don't.

 

(((Define "older". Besides, there are fighting games with a matchmaking system. More often than not if it's an online fighter with ranked matches, there will be matchmaking.)))

 

After this he mentions how being new to these fighting games can be tough because of their matchmaking systems (or lack thereof). Again, this doesn't even remotely apply to HAWKEN, as it isn't a new game at all and has a decent matchmaking system.

 

(((I don't know, all the times I've heard people complain about being matched up with players far above their skill level, I'd not say that matchmaking hasn't been, justifiably or not, an issue for new players. )))

 

The rest of his points really aren't innovative or informative, and pretty much apply to every game. These points include him saying that you learn by fighting better players, that people are discouraged by losing, that winning feels good, and that the more you play the better you get (shockers, I know).

 

(((It's better than someone saying "gitgud")))

 

You aren't at fault though, you are a new player as well (In fact, the content creator has completely mislabeled his video).

 

(((How is it mislabled? )))



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ehhhhhhhhhhh no.

 

When the video picks up about halfway through he starts by talking about serious changes(putting emphasis on controls, more specifically 2 less attack buttons AND direct assist buttons). The only real original control for HAWKEN is its simple dodge feature; It's not a hard transition to make.

 

(((I said advice. MvC2's 2 less buttons and the like aren't meant to be parallel to Hawken. This is very much a video on fighting games, but there are some parallels that can be made here.)))

^ I'm all ears.

 

Later he talks about the community, more specifically being matched up with players that are far better than you. Although this is a problem in HAWKEN, it isn't very serious, especially considering that HAWKEN has a matchmaking system, whereas these older fighting games don't.

 

(((Define "older". Besides, there are fighting games with a matchmaking system. More often than not if it's an online fighter with ranked matches, there will be matchmaking.)))

There sure are, but I made that point because HAWKEN doesn't have this problem; Pointing out the fact that fighting games with matchmaking exist is irrelevant.

 

After this he mentions how being new to these fighting games can be tough because of their matchmaking systems (or lack thereof). Again, this doesn't even remotely apply to HAWKEN, as it isn't a new game at all and has a decent matchmaking system.

 

(((I don't know, all the times I've heard people complain about being matched up with players far above their skill level, I'd not say that matchmaking hasn't been, justifiably or not, an issue for new players. )))

That's exactly why I very clearly pointed out that matchmaking isn't a VERY SERIOUS problem. Imagine If HAWKEN had no matchmaking at all, like the games he puts emphasis on in his video. It's a completely different scale.

 

The rest of his points really aren't innovative or informative, and pretty much apply to every game. These points include him saying that you learn by fighting better players, that people are discouraged by losing, that winning feels good, and that the more you play the better you get (shockers, I know).

 

(((It's better than someone saying "gitgud")))

Is it though? Both get new players nowhere.

 

You aren't at fault though, you are a new player as well (In fact, the content creator has completely mislabeled his video).

 

(((How is it mislabled? )))

All his video says is play the game. No analyzing of tropes and patterns in fighting games, no general advice that gives new players an edge, no hints that apply to most titles in the genre. He does virtually nothing that helps new players "Play Great Fast".

 



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(((I said advice. MvC2's 2 less buttons and the like aren't meant to be parallel to Hawken. This is very much a video on fighting games, but there are some parallels that can be made here.)))

^ I'm all ears.

 

(((Well, even you found some of the parallels with his points, which you commented on.))


 

(((Define "older". Besides, there are fighting games with a matchmaking system. More often than not if it's an online fighter with ranked matches, there will be matchmaking.)))

There sure are, but I made that point because HAWKEN doesn't have this problem; Pointing out the fact that fighting games with matchmaking exist is irrelevant.

 

(((I pointed that out because it seemed like you were implying that not many fighters, especially "older" ones had no matchmaking.)))

 

 

 

(((I don't know, all the times I've heard people complain about being matched up with players far above their skill level, I'd not say that matchmaking hasn't been, justifiably or not, an issue for new players. )))

That's exactly why I very clearly pointed out that matchmaking isn't a VERY SERIOUS problem. Imagine If HAWKEN had no matchmaking at all, like the games he puts emphasis on in his video. It's a completely different scale.

 

(((A lot of the games he specifically named *do* have matchmaking I think.)))

 

 

(((It's better than someone saying "gitgud")))

Is it though? Both get new players nowhere.

 

(((But even you have to admit, preparing someone for the arduous nature of trying to get good in an online game and going "gitgud" are two things with two different effects)))

 

 

(((How is it mislabled? )))

All his video says is play the game. No analyzing of tropes and patterns in fighting games, no general advice that gives new players an edge, no hints that apply to most titles in the genre. He does virtually nothing that helps new players "Play Great Fast".

 

(((Sure, it's not a super detailed video, but it's not mislabeled. Especially due to varying game relevancy and different systems, he gives general advice, but too deep and he needs to be specific to whatever game he needs to talk about. )))

 

 



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(((I said advice. MvC2's 2 less buttons and the like aren't meant to be parallel to Hawken. This is very much a video on fighting games, but there are some parallels that can be made here.)))

 

^ I'm all ears.

 

(((Well, even you found some of the parallels with his points, which you commented on.))


I found a single insignificant parallel.

 

 

 

(((Define "older". Besides, there are fighting games with a matchmaking system. More often than not if it's an online fighter with ranked matches, there will be matchmaking.)))

 

There sure are, but I made that point because HAWKEN doesn't have this problem; Pointing out the fact that fighting games with matchmaking exist is irrelevant.

 

(((I pointed that out because it seemed like you were implying that not many fighters, especially "older" ones had no matchmaking.)))

 

Ok? I very clearly acknowledged that in my response. Again, pointing this out is irrelevant.

 

 

 

(((I don't know, all the times I've heard people complain about being matched up with players far above their skill level, I'd not say that matchmaking hasn't been, justifiably or not, an issue for new players. )))

 

That's exactly why I very clearly pointed out that matchmaking isn't a VERY SERIOUS problem. Imagine If HAWKEN had no matchmaking at all, like the games he puts emphasis on in his video. It's a completely different scale.

 

(((A lot of the games he specifically named *do* have matchmaking I think.)))

 

He doesn't even mention a specific game during the segment where he talks about "New Games", I have no idea where you are getting this from. If you watch the video again you'll notice that during this section he just says "New Games", or "Games", but there is enough context for anyone with two brain cells to rub together to realize that his example includes no matchmaking.

 

 

 

(((It's better than someone saying "gitgud")))

 

Is it though? Both get new players nowhere.

 

(((But even you have to admit, preparing someone for the arduous nature of trying to get good in an online game and going "gitgud" are two things with two different effects)))

 

Possibly? I can't really tell what you are trying to say here, but I think I get the gist of it.

 

 

 

(((How is it mislabled? )))

 

All his video says is play the game. No analyzing of tropes and patterns in fighting games, no general advice that gives new players an edge, no hints that apply to most titles in the genre. He does virtually nothing that helps new players "Play Great Fast".

 

(((Sure, it's not a super detailed video, but it's not mislabeled. Especially due to varying game relevancy and different systems, he gives general advice, but too deep and he needs to be specific to whatever game he needs to talk about. )))

 

It's not detailed at all! He gives no advice; All he communicates is play the game (or at least that's what it boils down to).

All he had to do to give new players an edge was analyze some tropes, look at some patterns and conclude a few simple things about how fighting games are played. 

 

I would like to go into more detail in the above response, but your previous reply was vague and your sentence structure isn't the best.

 

 

 



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Again, this doesn't even remotely apply to HAWKEN, as it isn't a new game at all and has a decent matchmaking system.

 


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*an existing matchmaking system

 

Anyways, who is this Clomic Snuts? I haven't seen him on the forums before.


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Also, as I've said before, if a fighting game has online capabilities and has ranked, it tends to have matchmaking. At the very least I am very certain that SF4 and Killer Instinct both have matchmaking.



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Also, as I've said before, if a fighting game has online capabilities and has ranked, it tends to have matchmaking. At the very least I am very certain that SF4 and Killer Instinct both have matchmaking.

That makes sense, it just wasn't quite what I wanted to be focusing on. Oh well.

I guess I've gotten my point out there that this is not what new players should be watching for info.



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Fair enough. I never wanted this video to be *the* go to video for new players. I mean... it's about fighting games. While I do think at least some of the stuff in this video can be relevant to Hawken, it would be silly to say that it does its job better than videos that talk about Hawken.


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I'm disappointed this thread veered from multi quotes. That had me chuckling for a minute.


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I'm disappointed this thread veered from multi quotes. That had me chuckling for a minute.

Quiet, you. Quote-ception-ing is hard if you're referring to multiple points!






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