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Today my MMR dropped almost 100. Now it isn't because I was doing bad, because I was good for most of the time. I know how MMR works, but I don't understand how much pot the system is smoking because I did a pretty average job and I am punished for it more than usual.

 

Any ideas how to fixit? Because my MMR was already too low, now even lower.


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Random guess, but maybe it's because of the increased player base?

 

New people are getting good = new people get higher MMR. And since MMR is match-making rank it would rank you with these players. Aka, Assault/Sustained OP plz nerf. x)



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I'll walk you through the process.

 

First, look up your MMR.

 

Now open your word processor of choice.

 

Using the largest font size available, type your MMR.

 

Print the document.

 

Shred the document.

 

Burn the document.

 

Flush the document down the toilet.

 

Play Hawken.

 

10% of the time it works every time.


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I'll walk you through the process.

 

First, look up your MMR.

 

Now open your word processor of choice.

 

Using the largest font size available, type your MMR.

 

Print the document.

 

Shred the document.

 

Burn the document.

 

Flush the document down the toilet.

 

Play Hawken.

 

10% of the time it works every time.

 

This is a waste of paper, ink and water.

 

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Edited by Dawn_of_Ash, 01 May 2015 - 07:03 PM.

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No real advice.  If the server seems low-tier (by average rating), and you're getting rekt, leave the server, it'll do less damage to your MMR.


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You probably had smurfs in the match with you.  A smurf, especially brand new accounts, will come in with a really low MMR and, all they have to do is kill you a couple of times and yours goes way down.


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Today my MMR dropped almost 100. Now it isn't because I was doing bad, because I was good for most of the time. I know how MMR works, but I don't understand how much pot the system is smoking because I did a pretty average job and I am punished for it more than usual.

 

Any ideas how to fixit? Because my MMR was already too low, now even lower.

 

Every time I get upset that my MMR falls by 50 points I remember all the people at 2350 I can wipe the floor with on the regular.

 

MMR is fuzzy bunny.


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I had a similar problem. I played several consecutive rounds in a lobby that was all lower than me, except maybe one person. If I achieved the highest score, my mmr stayed the same. If I was second or lower, my mmr TANKED. I lost 100 or so, but I learned to not worry about it too much because, in reality, I'm still as good as I ever was.


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Losing 100 mmr isn't as bad as spending 30 minutes in a siege game only to win and get 0.25 mmr


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I had a similar problem. I played several consecutive rounds in a lobby that was all lower than me, except maybe one person. If I achieved the highest score, my mmr stayed the same. If I was second or lower, my mmr TANKED. I lost 100 or so, but I learned to not worry about it too much because, in reality, I'm still as good as I ever was.

Actually, you're getting better all the time.  I'm getting better all the time.  But our MMR's generally stay around the same 100 or so points... because everyone else is getting better too.


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To be serious for a moment this is just a joke

 


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Actually, you're getting better all the time. I'm getting better all the time. But our MMR's generally stay around the same 100 or so points... because everyone else is getting better too.


I'm pretty sure that I am not getting any better...
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I've neither the computer (lag and framerate issues) nor the FPS skills (This is literally the fastest and newest FPS I've played ever) to think that I'll get to anything close to a high mmr.



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I think I'm getting better again.... Lol at 1v1 tech v tech ... XD lol

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But yeah... I feel ya.... My MMR ALLWAYS drops.... T.T

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MMR is dependent on who and what you kill or what kills you. Team losses or wins have (thank god) almost no influence. Your mm can still increase if your team fails and backwards.
If you get killed by a 1200 MMR newb your mmr will most likely decrease, if you kill an 2300 MMR player, it will most likely increase (assuming your mmr is somewhere in between)
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Your MMR drops when you go into lower MMR server and you don't stomp them hard

Your MMR drops when you go into higher MMR servers and you have low KD ratio

 

I guess you should go into "3 stars servers"


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Why people are so focused on their MMR? As long as you play with pilots of your level and have a lot of fun, what's the point?


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Everyone wants to be top dog and MMR is a good skill indicator. It gives you hard physical evidence of your skill.


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Why people are so focused on their MMR? As long as you play with pilots of your level and have a lot of fun, what's the point?

Exactly. This isn't my MMR. I was 300 higher and it was balanced but now it is lower and even when I do well, it falls.

On a better note, it did rise 25 today.

 

Also: I am glad people made real suggestions/observations instead of saying "GIT GUD" like you would see on Steam forums.


Edited by Loglino, 02 May 2015 - 09:25 AM.

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Why people are so focused on their MMR? As long as you play with pilots of your level and have a lot of fun, what's the point?

But what if they want to play with friends that are higher, and do not enjoy the level your skills are? 


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Every time I get upset that my MMR falls by 50 points I remember all the people at 2350 I can wipe the floor with on the regular.

 

MMR is fuzzy bunny.

 

Amid, you lately brag a lot. Wanna do duels against me? the 2030 guy. See how much out of 10 you get?  :tongue:


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Actually, you're getting better all the time.  I'm getting better all the time.  But our MMR's generally stay around the same 100 or so points... because everyone else is getting better too.

 

The dude is like 2600. So he has to deliver every time or his MMR will drop like mad!


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I only care about my mmr when it gets low enough that the games I can join are wrought with serial feeders and solo-divers. In my epic mmr journey of gains in tens and subsequent losses in the hundreds, there is a sweet spot in and around the 1800-2000 bracket that acts like a whirlpool. Because of circumstances I can't control, like parties and bad spawns caused by that one guy who always shows up late, my mmr will snowball downwards to a point and then i'm in a spot I can function in. Then I just have to hope I can stomp fast enough to hopefully dodge that window and hit 2100 mmr. I wish there was a mmr bumper so until a person plays at a certain mmr range for about a week, it won't allow them to decrease so much. I want to play with my friends and I hate stomping but I feel like I get screwed over too often.
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I'll walk you through the process.

 

First, look up your MMR.

 

Now open your word processor of choice.

 

Using the largest font size available, type your MMR.

 

Print the document.

 

Shred the document.

 

Burn the document.

 

Flush the document down the toilet.

 

Play Hawken.

 

10% of the time it works every time.

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As far as I know, MMR was designed to separate players by continuous scale for matchmaking. Also, a difference greater than 300 between a player's and the server average's forbids them to join. IMHO, MMR has an accuracy of ~100 (remember Scrimbot says MMR is accurate in a range of +/-100), lower variations are negligible, because you can't expect too much from a 1-dimensional scale measuring a Human's skill (example of Glicko system, from which Hawken's MMR derives). I think also other factors influence your rating, such as the playerbase, with is increasing: more players means it's simpler to gather pilots of the same level. According to Glicko formulas, you can spoof your rating by playing only against better players...

 

What I want to say is: don't pay too much attention to this damn number.

 

 

But what if they want to play with friends that are higher, and do not enjoy the level your skills are? 

 

They joins their friend's server?

 

Jokes apart, if your MMR puts you with players of a different level, this is another problem.


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(remember Scrimbot says MMR is accurate in a range of +/-100)

 

This has more to do with the definition of a confidence interval/allowed alpha-error than it does with accuracy of the measurement itself.

 

 

According to Glicko formulas, you can spoof your rating by playing only against better players...

 

It's not spoofing if you can hang with better players.  It's actual improvement.


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Everyone wants to be top dog and MMR is a good skill indicator. It gives you hard physical evidence of your skill.

Don't know about you, but as far as 'top dog' stuff goes (which I never cared about either, so not everyone wants to be it, just saying), other players wanting me to be on their team or being glad/groaning that I jumped into a match is a much bigger indicator of my abilities as a Hawken pilot than any silly number stored in the back end systems, a number that can be inflated if one knows how to 'game the system'.

 

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Losing 100 mmr isn't as bad as spending 30 minutes in a siege game only to win and get 0.25 mmr


Wait... Yes it is, it's worse.
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Wait... Yes it is, it's worse.


Yeah, I think someone missed < > day in school...
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Ever since the playerbase started expanding like crazy, my MMR has dropped like a stone.

 

My MMR was completely steady until a week ago, where it mysteriously dropped 100 points in a single day. And it wasn't a bad day! It was an above-average day of Hawken, where I had lots of wins, regularly ranked in first or second place on my team, and managed to kill plenty of players at my own skill level or higher. But my MMR was lobotomized all the same, and I have no idea why.

 

I don't know what the mechanism is. I've said it once, and I'll say it again: I really wish the devs would just explain how MMR works so people don't have to keep guessing and stressing about it.

 

Either way, I don't really care though - having a lower MMR means simply means that I have more servers to play on.


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Those that have seen an mmr drop recently, have you been playing in the larger servers a lot?

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Those that have seen an mmr drop recently, have you been playing in the larger servers a lot?

 

Not especially.



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Strange thing is that I've been inactive in Hawken for the past 2 days (because of player population in AU) and I just noticed that my MMR has increased by 3. O_o Is this normal, or am I just hallucinating?



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I've went from 2501 MMR to 2402 MMR in 2 days, mainly because I don't care too much anymore.

Being restricted out of games where your friends are playing because of a stupid number is stupid.


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