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You all need to get some new content ASAP. Patience apparently is wearing thin.



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Still need a good long while before any major content will be made.



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Then this game is in trouble. The easy fixes are not a solution. New maps are a solution. Paid for content is not a solution. I'm not sure where they are going with this anymore.


Edited by Pumapaw, 06 May 2015 - 03:36 PM.


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Then this game is ded. The easy fixes are not a solution. New maps are a solution. Paid for content is not a solution. I'm not sure where they are going with this anymore.

 

Impatient much?



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Pls fix servers first.

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Losing players? Wut? A few days ago when it was higher, it was a weekend. Right now, it is not a weekend -> fewer players.


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You probably need to take a break from Hawken, sir. The game has just been bought / aqcuired by Reloaded and you're already "demanding" (ironically, since it's a free game after all) new content.

 

Probably you need to go play something else and come back after a while. Or just check the forums and come back when new content is added. But we've had our share of "this game is dead" comments for the past year and sure as heck don't need more of those.


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It was bought months ago. Past 30 days a 2 % decline in players is a bad sign I have seen before. It's not impatience it's reality. Without at least 1 new map the game gets boring. Put the holiday map up at least we can look for the Yeti.


Edited by Pumapaw, 06 May 2015 - 03:31 PM.


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It was bought months ago. Past 30 days a 2 % decline in players is a bad sign I have seen before. It's not impatience it's reality. Without at least 1 new map the game gets boring. Put the holiday map up at least we can look for the Yeti.

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This game was bought by reloaded not even two months ago. I'm not sure what you're expecting, but it's way too much.


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I read it. Oh well have fun. By the way care to explain why only 1 24 player Team Dm is working tonight? By the way I'm one of the guys who spent 100 USD supporting the past establishment.


Edited by Pumapaw, 06 May 2015 - 03:35 PM.


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It was bought months ago. Past 30 days a 2 % decline in players is a bad sign I have seen before. It's not impatience it's reality. Without at least 1 new map the game gets boring. Put the holiday map up at least we can look for the Yeti.

I would say that the private server rollout is effectively a content release, since server admins can choose to make things different, such as no radar etc.

 

Btw tickle's server is set to have almost only Winter Last Eco as the map rotation. (See here)


Edited by crockrocket, 06 May 2015 - 03:37 PM.

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It was bought months ago. Past 30 days a 2 % decline in players is a bad sign I have seen before. It's not impatience it's reality. Without at least 1 new map the game gets boring.

Reality is they're doing as much as they can as fast as they can. But they have limited resources, and they're spending a lot of time just figuring out some of the more basic stuff on how the game was built and works.

 

Sure, they may lose some population over time while they get things fixed up to the point where they can add content. I know I expect that, and I'm sure they expect that. It is natural for that to happen.

Guess what? Despite the population decline, as soon as they do release content they'll see another population spike.

 

When people say be patient, that's because this isn't a process that will take just a few months. It will take many, many months. It takes a game years just to be developed to the point where it can be put into Alpha and Beta testing.

 

What makes you think they can just revive a not-fully-developed game, where they have to learn the system with fresh eyes, in just a couple months and start pumping out content as if they've been at work on the game years prior, and fully understand the systems involved.

 

You are flying off the handle, and the process of reviving Hawken has barely even begun. You need to adjust the scope of your expectations, because yours aren't realistic. You're expecting a miracle, and that's just not reasonable.


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It was bought months ago. Past 30 days a 2 % decline in players is a bad sign I have seen before. It's not impatience it's reality. Without at least 1 new map the game gets boring. Put the holiday map up at least we can look for the Yeti.

 

They're working on the more important aspects of the game atm.  The matchmaking infrastructure is undergoing revisions, the private server frontend is being implemented, and more reliable public servers are being implemented.  

 

New content is great, but if the infrastructure is bad, players will be lost regardless.  

 

All in due time.  


Edited by Xacius, 06 May 2015 - 03:54 PM.


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I read it. Oh well have fun. By the way care to explain why only 1 24 player Team Dm is working tonight? By the way I'm one of the guys who spent 100 USD supporting the past establishment.


So? U supported this game with a lot of money... So what?
It was your money man you spent it on hawken why do you have to brag and expect to be respected by doing so?

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@OP, A $100 bucks? I have almost $300 pumped into in the last almost 3 yrs. And I'm on Social Security Disability as my only income. I have to do without something to buy stuff. If you need to take a break for awhile that's OK. No one will be angry or surprised. I have done it in many games. So have most others here. I have confidence in the Devs to end up with a pretty decent piece of enjoyment. I already have fun despite a 50/50 win/get my butt handed to me matches. Still fun. Most games now spend 5 yrs in development. This is not even 3 yet, so chill. Serious, not trying to be a smartass. Just saying give them time and take a break. Go play something else and come back. Take care.


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This is to be expected. Purchasing Hawken and getting it off life support brought excitement and revitalized player / community interest. Obviously that resulted in a nice population spike, and I'm confident no one expected those numbers to last without new content. The content will come, and the players will be back.

So sure, in the immediate future expect numbers to drop a bit, but once there's a major update or content release, expect those numbers to jump right back up. Im willing to bet once all the back end work is squared away and we start getting Dev focus on content, population will grow and become healthy enough to sustain further development.

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I appreciate the concern, btw.  I know how frustrating it must feel to not see more drastic changes yet (I feel the same way!)

 

The current stuff we're working on is the matchmaking and supporting the new Private Server Pioneers.  I've personally been building out some processing to get actual numbers on what happens when we make changes to the Matchmaking system.  I prefer to have some quantifiable numbers (in addition to anecdote) as the means to evaluate if changes were "good" or "bad".  It takes time though.

 

I like the idea of some map rotation that includes the winter map.


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Are we ever going to see balance changes?

 

I recommend you revert the weapon damage and range values to before the patch that massively buffed hitscan and nerfed projectiles - I forget what patch it was exactly, and patch notes on the forums only go back a certain amount.

 

If nothing else, try it for a week. Watch as the playerbase grows again. This current hitscan-based model is cancerous. It takes all the skill and fun out of the game and makes it a no-effort spamfest.

Virtually all 2000+ MMR players feel this way, and the small portion of the sub2000 playerbase which doesn't feel this way doesn't play the game enough to spend money on it.


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Are we ever going to see balance changes?

I recommend you revert the weapon damage and range values to before the patch that massively buffed hitscan and nerfed projectiles - I forget what patch it was exactly, and patch notes on the forums only go back a certain amount.

If nothing else, try it for a week. Watch as the playerbase grows again. This current hitscan-based model is cancerous. It takes all the skill and fun out of the game and makes it a no-effort spamfest.

Virtually all 2000+ MMR players feel this way, and the small portion of the sub2000 playerbase which doesn't feel this way doesn't play the game enough to spend money on it.


No.

Wrong.

False.

You cannot speak for a player base you have not been a part of for months. Stop trying to do so.

Sustain can use a nerd, we agree on. We are discussing it. Josh is listening. Stop trying to FUZZING SHOVE WORDS in our mouths.

Rolling back an update, several updates is a terrible idea as THE MAJORITY OF THE PLAYER BASE are currently playing under the current meta and they outnumber those who left WHO HAVEN'T ALREADY COME BACK.
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I read it. Oh well have fun. By the way care to explain why only 1 24 player Team Dm is working tonight? By the way I'm one of the guys who spent 100 USD supporting the past establishment.

Ive spent about 100 dollars on the game in the past year. If they turn off the servers tomorrow I would still think it was 100 well spent.


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I like the idea of some map rotation that includes the winter map.

 

Can server owners currently add the winter map into their rotation? I ask because it's either yes and a server owner has done just that, or you implement fuzzy bunny quick because I'm sitting in a lobby for one right now.


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Are we ever going to see balance changes?

I recommend you revert the weapon damage and range values to before the patch that massively buffed hitscan and nerfed projectiles - I forget what patch it was exactly, and patch notes on the forums only go back a certain amount.

If nothing else, try it for a week. Watch as the playerbase grows again. This current hitscan-based model is cancerous. It takes all the skill and fun out of the game and makes it a no-effort spamfest.

Virtually all 2000+ MMR players feel this way, and the small portion of the sub2000 playerbase which doesn't feel this way doesn't play the game enough to spend money on it.


To the last point. Yes? But not all. The Hawkins RPR probably needs a buff. The Vulcan XT probably needs a buff. The Point D Vulcan needs something? The Assault cannon needs something? The SMC needs a tweak more than a buff. I don't know much about the SA Hawkins, but it feels scary more than it doesn't. Nerfing needs to be done as a last resort in all instances period. When players recognize that something is wrong, they might be right. Might be. What they propose as a fix is almost always wrong. This is why the dev teams needs to look at what is being used, what isn't being used, look at why that's happening and then make changes accordingly.

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You all need to get some new content ASAP. Patience apparently is wearing thin.



So right, Hawken died because it couldn't hold its players... And this won't change just because of new devs.

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If this game and its community could survive through almost an entire year of dead devs and ded forum, it could survive another few months of active forum and alive dev trying to get their fuzzy bunny together. Have some patience.


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meh

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You all need to get some new content ASAP. Patience apparently is wearing thin.

Ya, its a shame we are losing players at such an alarming rate already that we only just gained like 4 weeks ago.....http://steamcharts.com/app/271290


Fix The Delay


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Even adding content think that retention will go bad ...



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After a stunning 57.86% increase in our playerbase in April, we have lost 0.76% since then.

 

Chill. The Fuzzy Bunny. Out.


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Also worth noting that it's coming up on exam season. Real life sometimes gets in the way. Personally, I haven't been able to play as much as I'd like because work is blarg.

Also, before content rolls out, I'd like to see balance changes to the worst outliers (incin and health orb, imo).
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Winter map has some fps issues.  A lot of people complained about the bad FPS, so might not want to add it as much as I would like to see it.  I got to play in a few months ago on a private server and you could tell a difference.  I am not sure if this is something that you want to show new people. 


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Winter map has some fps issues.  A lot of people complained about the bad FPS, so might not want to add it as much as I would like to see it.  I got to play in a few months ago on a private server and you could tell a difference.  I am not sure if this is something that you want to show new people. 

Yeah I think the private servers will serve the purpose of variety well enough. No need to change up the main map rotation.


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Seems to be that Steam is having trouble right now and at least from my own side here...

 

On the other hand I don't think that the number of players has decreased so significantly as you say in here






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