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MAN LOOK AT THESE COOL SERVERS. 24 AND 18 PLAYER TDM. SO MUCH FUN GETTING TO LOOK AT THEM. OH NO I DONT WANT TO ACTUALLY PLAY IN THEM. I JUST WANT TO STARE AT IT. NO THAT ARBITRARY MMR CAP IS TOTALLY COOL GUYS DONT CHANGE A THING :)

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i suggest you go play minecraft for the rest of your life, and take a general scoop of every1 2600 mmr+ and bring them with u, this would solve the problem yes?


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i suggest you go play minecraft for the rest of your life, and take a general scoop of every1 2600 mmr+ and bring them with u, this would solve the problem yes?

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I don't get it.



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dat suks broo. I bet that invite to the 10 man coop TDM would have been one of the few matches you would be able to play in.


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You know what is truly funny.

 

This is what all regions except US and Europe looked like for the greater part of last year. Except there was no people. At all.

 

Also, I can see a 3 star server right there - I really don't see what you are complaining about.

 

Maybe you should go to the Europe events and learn how to beat up people with lag? Or if you already are really good at it, get better.

 

Probably a terrible idea, right?


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I don't get it.

Because you're not 2800 mmr. 


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You know what is truly funny.

 

This is what all regions except US and Europe looked like for the greater part of last year. Except there was no people. At all.

 

Also, I can see a 3 star server right there - I really don't see what you are complaining about.

 

Maybe you should go to the Europe events and learn how to beat up people with lag? Or if you already are really good at it, get better.

 

Probably a terrible idea, right?

If a server is rolling over, it's three stars. It's also why its disabled.

 

Also... get better?

 

 

Have you ever played with hestoned?

 

edit: Ownd, jeff get gud.


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Also, I can see a 3 star server right there - I really don't see what you are complaining about.

 

This happens while a server is switching over to the next map, but after that finishes the match is zero stars again. 

 

nvm tickle beat me


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If a server is rolling over, it's three stars. It's also why its disabled.

 

Also... get better?

 

 

Have you ever played with hestoned?

 

edit: Ownd, jeff get gud.

 

Ah, okay.

 

And yes, I have played with hestoned. I killed him. Once....maybe twice. With 300 ping. :P But I have no doubt that I would get absolutely wrecked if I went against any of you - and mind you, that's not because of the lag. I just feel that if I had less lag, it'd make it a bit more even - maybe all of you having lag would be a big enough handicap to break the 2000 MMR mark.   -__- ;

 

Anyways, I digress. Fine, I lose this point about the servers - but I still do not understand why a thread has to be made about something that many have already commented about. Call me harsh, but I get a bit frustrated when people complain about being too good to get servers while I've had to put up with 300 ping to get any server. And the worst thing is, that there is always that person that is having it worse than me - if it is ping or something. And then another person worse then that...

 

So, to put it bluntly. Please don't complain about being too good. I am jealous as it is of everyone's mad skillz.


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Ah, okay.

 

And yes, I have played with hestoned. I killed him. Once....maybe twice. With 300 ping. :P But I have no doubt that I would get absolutely wrecked if I went against any of you - and mind you, that's not because of the lag. I just feel that if I had less lag, it'd make it a bit more even - maybe all of you having lag would be a big enough handicap to break the 2000 MMR mark.   -__- ;

 

Anyways, I digress. Fine, I lose this point about the servers - but I still do not understand why a thread has to be made about something that many have already commented about. Call me harsh, but I get a bit frustrated when people complain about being too good to get servers while I've had to put up with 300 ping to get any server. And the worst thing is, that there is always that person that is having it worse than me - if it is ping or something. And then another person worse then that...

 

So, to put it bluntly. Please don't complain about being too good. I am jealous as it is of everyone's mad skillz.

I'm sorry, but this isn't really an issue of complaining about being too good. Your issues with ping, and his issues with his MMR are essentially the same.

It's the issue of being unable to play.

 

After all, what's the point of a game if you can't actually play it? His concern is a legitimate one, no matter his status of skill.


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I'm sorry, but this isn't really an issue of complaining about being too good. Your issues with ping, and his issues with his MMR are essentially the same.

It's the issue of being unable to play.

 

After all, what's the point of a game if you can't actually play it? His concern is a legitimate one, no matter his status of skill.

 

That is very true - I admit, I read hestoned's topic wrong, and I'd like to apologize for that.

 

Now how are we going to improve it? Have a "practice matches" sort of thing where people can play matches against humans without interfering with their stats? I'm not sure there's enough people to sustain something like this - example, bots. 

 

There's two real solutions to me that fixes this problem. 1. Have a massive MMR rework - because essentially that's what's stopping high-leveled players from entering a server. 2. Increase player population - not something you can do instantly and/or predict. But it seems that we are getting to that second one - just that it'd take awhile for new people to "get gud". Also, not something that is helped by smurfs. Ironic how smurfs allow people to play in the short term, but not in the long term. Also doesn't help the game...but that's a comment in a different topic.


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As an 1800ish mmr player, fuzzy bunny mmr locking. It is the most stupid fuzzy bunny in the game, and the only thing to ever make me consider quitting (back when I couldn't get into matches with irl friends). BTW, had to introduce friends to Hawken last night using a smurf, cuz ya know, helping a friend is bull fuzzy bunny if you've played for a while. Seriously f*** this s****


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As an 1800ish mmr player, fuzzy bunny mmr locking. It is the most stupid fuzzy bunny in the game, and the only thing to ever make me consider quitting (back when I couldn't get into matches with irl friends). BTW, had to introduce friends to Hawken last night using a smurf, cuz ya know, helping a friend is bull fuzzy bunny if you've played for a while. Seriously f*** this s****

 

Yyyyyyyeah, kinda true.  Either make a smurf and stomp while trying to teach your friend and eventually have horrid matchmaker stacking to compensate for your party, or make someone NOPE right away by partying up with your main and getting ROLLED by the other godly team the MM assembles.


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I've seen a good EU player making a campfire in bot TDM because he could find any appropriate TDM servers.

 

MMR locking should be reworked, I have in mind a lot of things a simple one should be a players vote to lock a server (let's say locked if 2/3 of players inside want to). And IMHO 18 DM, 9 vs 9 TDM and 10 coop TDM should not be restricted except for some events, just call them "pubs"


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This is why we need to listen and cater to the competetive scene they know whats best for the game(them) once they eventually get into one.



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Wait does 18 man tdm exist now?


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Wait does 18 man tdm exist now?

 

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For the record, I'm just going to point out things like this are one of the many issues of trying to have both a server browser and a matchmaker that interact with each other.

 

Reloaded really should look into doing one or the other, or at least separating MMR-affected servers so they can't be joined from the browser, while having the rest MMR-free.



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MAN LOOK AT THESE COOL SERVERS. 24 AND 18 PLAYER TDM. SO MUCH FUN GETTING TO LOOK AT THEM. OH NO I DONT WANT TO ACTUALLY PLAY IN THEM. I JUST WANT TO STARE AT IT. NO THAT ARBITRARY MMR CAP IS TOTALLY COOL GUYS DONT CHANGE A THING :)

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I've seen a good EU player making a campfire in bot TDM because he could find any appropriate TDM servers.

 

MMR locking should be reworked, I have in mind a lot of things a simple one should be a players vote to lock a server (let's say locked if 2/3 of players inside want to). And IMHO 18 DM, 9 vs 9 TDM and 10 coop TDM should not be restricted except for some events, just call them "pubs"

 

I get that but have you ever found yourself in servers where the average MMR is something like 400 or more below yours? It's happened to me when I wait long enough in the queue that it dumps me in a 0 star server and holy fuzzy bunny it's not even funny. Getting 24 kills without dying once is boring because you get no challenge and I remember the feeling of getting stomped without having a chance to fight back, it's even less funny. And I'm only a bit above 2300, I know it's harder for people above to find matches but they would also stomp those low average servers even more.

 

I'd rather not be able to play until the evening than ruin the game for upcoming players and ultimately get bored myself anyways. They could give more leeway to MMR restrictions or make it so above a certain MMR level it stops taking additional MMR points into account for server locking (let's say above 2400 - 2500 MMR it doesn't count the extra points to restrict your access for example) but I don't think removing it entirely is a good thing.


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Slightly off topic; Hestoned has 1 million HC's. He could probably buy the city of Prosk at this point and have as little or as many players as he likes play in his city. 


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Slightly off topic; Hestoned has 1 million HC's. He could probably buy the city of Prosk at this point and have as little or as many players as he likes play in his city. 

 

Hey, you wanna do this, hest?  Buy the town and do it up like Escape from New York?


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I get that but have you ever found yourself in servers where the average MMR is something like 400 or more below yours? It's happened to me when I wait long enough in the queue that it dumps me in a 0 star server and holy fuzzy bunny it's not even funny. Getting 24 kills without dying once is boring because you get no challenge and I remember the feeling of getting stomped without having a chance to fight back, it's even less funny. And I'm only a bit above 2300, I know it's harder for people above to find matches but they would also stomp those low average servers even more.

I'd rather not be able to play until the evening than ruin the game for upcoming players and ultimately get bored myself anyways. They could give more leeway to MMR restrictions or make it so above a certain MMR level it stops taking additional MMR points into account for server locking (let's say above 2400 - 2500 MMR it doesn't count the extra points to restrict your access for example) but I don't think removing it entirely is a good thing.

That being said, there's a difference between your personal preference and restricting someone from playing almost entirely. Besides, the thread was created out of the frustration of not being able to experience something new in the game, not out of the frustration of not being able to find comparably skilled players.

As a slight aside, back like 300 MMR ago for both of us, hestoned and I would 1v1 for literally two hours straight. He'd decimate me with a 10 to 1 K/D or higher, but I'd be stupid to think he wasn't still getting just a little bit better each time, and I think that's as valid a reason as any to play. It's obvious that he really, really enjoys the game, and I think it's pretty ludicrous that ADH wrecked the ability to play consistently for their most dedicated players.

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As a slight aside, back like 300 MMR ago for both of us, hestoned and I would 1v1 for literally two hours straight. He'd decimate me with a 10 to 1 K/D or higher, but I'd be stupid to think he wasn't still getting just a little bit better each time, and I think that's as valid a reason as any to play. It's obvious that he really, really enjoys the game, and I think it's pretty ludicrous that ADH wrecked the ability to play consistently for their most dedicated players.

 

That makes me think about one thing that bothers me as well. Sometimes people ask you for some duels for tips or goofing around and it's not possible because the mmr difference is too high to get both on a single server. Dedicated servers (I'm thinking about the infinite deathmatch servers here) should have the option to remove mmr lock for situations like these.


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That makes me think about one thing that bothers me as well. Sometimes people ask you for some duels for tips or goofing around and it's not possible because the mmr difference is too high to get both on a single server. Dedicated servers (I'm thinking about the infinite deathmatch servers here) should have the option to remove mmr lock for situations like these.


By dedicated do you mean private? Those are not MMR restricted as far as I'm aware.

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By dedicated do you mean private? Those are not MMR restricted as far as I'm aware.

 

Yes private, sorry. Hmm I'm pretty sure I remember the CA deathmatch server on on EU being at 0 stars and greyed out sometimes, maybe it's still joinable I'll admit I didn't try joining since I assumed it would behave like the other servers.


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Yes private, sorry. Hmm I'm pretty sure I remember the CA deathmatch server on on EU being at 0 stars and greyed out sometimes, maybe it's stilly joinable I'll admit I didn't try joining since I assumed it would behave like the other servers.


My experience with that is limited, as most of the people on the NA private servers are in the 21-2800 range. And Dave. However I definitely recall reading in some old patch notes that ADH removed the cap for private servers.

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I get that but have you ever found yourself in servers where the average MMR is something like 400 or more below yours? It's happened to me when I wait long enough in the queue that it dumps me in a 0 star server and holy fuzzy bunny it's not even funny. Getting 24 kills without dying once is boring because you get no challenge and I remember the feeling of getting stomped without having a chance to fight back, it's even less funny. And I'm only a bit above 2300, I know it's harder for people above to find matches but they would also stomp those low average servers even more.

 

I'd rather not be able to play until the evening than ruin the game for upcoming players and ultimately get bored myself anyways. They could give more leeway to MMR restrictions or make it so above a certain MMR level it stops taking additional MMR points into account for server locking (let's say above 2400 - 2500 MMR it doesn't count the extra points to restrict your access for example) but I don't think removing it entirely is a good thing.

 

My mmr is not as high as your but yes, I've already been in really lower MMR servers, and yes I found it boring after a few matches.

Two issues comes with higher MMR players : they can't play and when they do in lower MMR servers they stomp. My point was to have an option to lock servers with good balance (using a vote), and keep some server opened, with appropriate advertising, so that a lower MMR player go there to train / confront higher skilled players, and higher lever players could still find so opened games.

 

Coop TDM with higher level players are not an issue at all, so they could still be opened (I don't mind having half the score of top level players, as for me it's a motivation to become better)

 

There is no way to have more servers that fit your level except a population increase, but there should be some ways to let you guys play or maybe force uneven teams.

 

P.S.: damned your MMR is ~400 above mine :confused:  gotta train harder !


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Re: Escape from New York:  I want to drive the Caddy with chandeliers.

 

 

I  have been HUGELY frustrated all morning with Server Browser: The GameTM.  I do not want to play LA servers (or Oregon) as they give extremely bad/unsmooth gameplay and misregistered hits; I cannot join most other matches; and the MM (hiding the browser) gives me matches with five 'Pilot Connecting...'s who don't, and one single player who sees me in the game and says 'Nope', leaving immediately.

 

This went on for two hours this morning - where I got 10 minutes of gameplay, until I gave up in disgust.

 

 


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My experience with that is limited, as most of the people on the NA private servers are in the 21-2800 range. And Dave. However I definitely recall reading in some old patch notes that ADH removed the cap for private servers.

There is no cap on private servers. This is actually a really important thing for stuff like War Wednesday, so skrubs like me can play


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At the risk of being bold, might I bring this other thread to your consideration?

 

"Bring It" button for high-MMR players unable to find a match

 

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At the risk of being bold, might I bring this other thread to your consideration?

 

"Bring It" button for high-MMR players unable to find a match

 

https://community.pl...-match/?p=16895

That sounds like a terrible solution.  How about being able to play the game normally like everyone else?


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MAN LOOK AT THESE COOL SERVERS. 24 AND 18 PLAYER TDM. SO MUCH FUN GETTING TO LOOK AT THEM. OH NO I DONT WANT TO ACTUALLY PLAY IN THEM. I JUST WANT TO STARE AT IT. NO THAT ARBITRARY MMR CAP IS TOTALLY COOL GUYS DONT CHANGE A THING :)
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Believe it or not, there are people in the game that would really like to crash a party, get turned into schredded meat, just so they could maybe get a little bit better by playing higher mmr players. You're literally forced to get better or turn into the one player everyone hunts down for a quick kill before moving on to a "real" fight. Or keeps me so dam busy I don't have time to get drunk(er).  The backend of this setup should also unbind the MMRs, such that a 2800mmr should not get knocked down if 2 or 3 skrubs working in concert take him down.

yeh. Unrestricted pub servers would change the look of the game.   :)


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Yeah, I can't think of many things I want more in Hawken than a couple servers for each gamemode that don't affect your MMR and are open to everyone. Being able to play whenever I want without there being expectations of tryharding would be great. 


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By dedicated do you mean private? Those are not MMR restricted as far as I'm aware.

 

So I did check it out, and right now for example the private CA server is locked for me. Seems like they didn't take the cap off for it.

 

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So I did check it out, and right now for example the private CA server is locked for me. Seems like they didn't take the cap off for it.

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Ah I remember that server! It was the result of a lot of commutation with the devs, working hard to keep the community together with events and long, tedious waiting. Then they took it.

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Edited by Sir Aregon, 24 April 2015 - 06:58 AM.

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