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Been trying to do more Co-Op Bot Destruction mode lately to get more in-game profile icons, but sadly, it seems like only newbies are interested in the mode these days, even then it's difficult to get a party compared to ye olde days (speaking of UK server specifically). So, just wondering, what's everyone's thoughts on the mode? Ever tried it? Simply not interested in a Co-Op mode? Too dull? Too hard?

 

Also, if anyone wanna organize a party for profile icon farming, let me know, I'm not exactly the most competent player around (having around 200ms ping from South Africa makes life just a tad bit more difficult on Hawken) but I'm competent enough hold my own and not be a burden.


Edited by reVelske, 04 May 2015 - 03:52 AM.


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It's quite boring for me. Use zerker, invest all EU into heat and dmg, win. There's very little challenge to it, especially if you have some friends with you in a party instead of random people. I usually find myself wishing it would just end after about 4-5 rounds. 


Edited by PsychedelicGrass, 04 May 2015 - 04:12 AM.

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What's the big fuzzy bunnyng deal? Lots of amazing people have committed suicide, and they turned out alright.

 


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Those who have already played do not see anything new, that is why only new want to play, do not say it is bad it is and repetitive.
 
Although it is a good area to train, shoot small bots if that helps better your aim

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The thing is, why playing bot destruction? 

 

Why pwning some AI? That's just aiming practice, nothing else. That's probably why newbies are playing it, for practice. 

Even TDM these days is just practice, especially pub matches.


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I, for one, prefer some chilled Co-Op pewpew session every now and then rather than the endless cycles of stomp/get stomped that the pub rooms offer, or endless frustration the useless Siege teams provide.


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I would play this mode more often except for two reasons. 1, not often do I get a decent party. 2, this kills my FPS. It can get so choppy that its hard to do anything sometimes.



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Just putting this out there, but if you'd like to find a party, check out the Hawken TeamSpeak. There's a few of us that that don't mind a go at 25 Rounds of Hell. Also, it looks like there are a few people looking to party up in this thread. Feel free to use any of the rooms in the TS for your party chat needs.


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I played it a lot to learn the mechanics of the game long before I joined the PvP modes. But after I joined the latter I haven't touched it--not at all since they added the mutators. Been thinking about it lately though--could now be my antidote to doing the same old things in Hawken. I liked it just fine when I first started playing.



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I think  bot destruction is great for training a team and how to play a  different mechs in a team environment ... ow ya and those shinny sliver badges I love those things ...they give you over 9000 power.



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Been trying to do more Co-Op Bot Destruction mode lately to get more in-game profile icons, but sadly, it seems like only newbies are interested in the mode these days, even then it's difficult to get a party compared to ye olde days (speaking of UK server specifically). So, just wondering, what's everyone's thoughts on the mode? Ever tried it? Simply not interested in a Co-Op mode? Too dull? Too hard?

 

Also, if anyone wanna organize a party for profile icon farming, let me know, I'm not exactly the most competent player around (having around 200ms ping from South Africa makes life just a tad bit more difficult on Hawken) but I'm competent enough hold my own and not be a burden.

 

 

if you are down add me in game I got all the icons from not dying once in those mods with every mech and I am like a 3 man army with the brawler in that mode so if you need some guys with skill that don't mess around add me cause I am always down for that mode, It's like tea time for me.



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I've finally played a full coop bot destruction yesterday. IMHO it's too long and require too many players.

I played twice yesterday, the first time we were 2 humans and spent 40min to reached wave 17 or something before losing, quite frustrating.

The second time we were 3 humans and we finished the game, but it took one hour and at the end the grind was quite low.

 

I like the ide behind the mode, but if I could do something, I'd make :

- only 10 waves (as the real game started from wave 15 the 2 times I played)

- playable from 1 to 4 players

- no upgrades (rebalance waves so that you don't need +350 armor and +40%DPS)

- no friendly AI

- a difficulty (AI, type of drones) that increases with the average MMR of the server

- a number of drones/AI depending on the number of players

- keep the mutators.


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The potential rewards are not worth the long, mostly boring time. Instead of 25 waves of which the first 10 are a snoozefest you could instead have 15 waves with bosses every 3 rounds instead of 5.


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I love this game mode the only reasons i dont play more is a few reasons mostly already mentioned,one of the big reasons is the limited maps and the fact half the maps available are closed off if we had the full map and all of them available it would probably make it far more interesting and more would reapeat play.

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last time i played, which is admittedly a long time ago (before the previous devs went silent/left), it was tedious and frustrating. The former is because the mode just takes to long for how little reward it gives, the frustration is probably largely derived from me not being able hit anything for the life of me (the players that do enjoy this mode probably can atleast reliably hit stationary targets, presumably), but some things that i remember p1ssing me off about this mode:

 

1. The AI partners are worthless jobbers. They start dieing not even 10 seconds into the wave when we're not even haveway through (do they even use the upgrades?). So suddenly 3 or less players are facing enemie groups intended for four players.

This could probably be slightly alleviated by having "any mode" include this mode. Some players might not even know that this mode exists.

 

2. The bosses are pretty much just normal mechs with ridiculously buffed stats (not just hp, but atleast also firing rate, especially the boss rocketeer at facility having a seeker that has redox-gun's firing rate), which i find to be both boring and unfun.

This mode probably needs unique boss drones with proper attack/behavior patterns. But that will have to wait at least until the devs have an animator/modeler and can start making extensice code changes to the game, not just the server stuff(in which case the mech balancing for multiplayer modes should take precedence, anyway).

 

3. The suicide drones (bomber, emp). The fact that they can just fly to you (as opposed to being affected by gravity like the a.i. mechs) means they can easily hit you, which is REALLY bad with the emp, since that one disables your weapons. And even if you kill them before they actually hit you, their explosion can damage/disable you anyway if they were to close. And the fact that it will be MULTIPLE suicide drones in rapid succesion in later waves, ESPECIALLY during the later boss waves, just ruins this mode for me.

Honestly, just making them much fewer, especially the emps during boss waves, might solve this for me.

 

This mode really needs some work.


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Extremely frustrating and not worth it imo. Sure you can get a shiny icon of your favorite mech but the effort required is ridiculous.


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if you are down add me in game I got all the icons from not dying once in those mods with every mech and I am like a 3 man army with the brawler in that mode so if you need some guys with skill that don't mess around add me cause I am always down for that mode, It's like tea time for me.

You are presumably on US server, which is unfortunately not feasible for me as I'm already playing with 200ms on EU server from Africa. I get about 250-300ms to east coast and 350-400ms to west coast. I rather actually be able to contribute rather than be carried to a few shiny icons.

 

I think the AIs need to be done away with completely and instead have the players be auto-buffed in the absence of a full team, or they themselves be significantly buffed and/or have their AIs improved. As people have mentioned, they really are nigh-on useless at the moment. New players should also be allowed to join mid-game, this will solve the issue of being screwed by leavers. It would be a bit unfair to have someone join in the last round and be awarded a new icon but I'm sure some compromise can be made, some worthwhile reward in place of the icon for anyone joined past the half-way mark.

 

The power ups are kinda redundant and make no significant gameplay impact, though I don't think they really need to be removed completely. An oddball gameplay element that is not present in standard DM/TDM/etc would certainly not go amiss in making the mode more appealing (beyond the bot destruction consumables, at least), so some rework is definitely in order IMHO.


Edited by reVelske, 09 May 2015 - 09:07 AM.


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Eh, I have no interest in it, really.  I've played Mann vs Machine in tf2 before and that was a lot more fun, though I'm not the biggest fan of PVE stuff in shooters.


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To do well in this game mode it really helps to squeal and yell as you're being chased. I promise you, that and being chased by better players or entire teams online too.

The game mode ain't impossible. Me and Grizzled made it to wave 20 with me in a item less internal less scout glitched with the PPA Bear weapon. He was teching so that helped a lot. After putting 80% into heat reduction it still over heated me in seconds. Makes me think that particular buff increases heat capacity and not actual heat reduction because damn, that still overheated way faster than anything.

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Little off topic :

One funny thing with the coop bot destruction mode is that the P4P4 incin' with the highest DPS without heat issues reign supreme, just stick in a closed area and kill whatever comes close.

And I didn't even had a tech to watch my back when I played !


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If you need help or feel like doing a match just give me a pm.

I got all Bot Destruction icons already and just need 14 match completions and 95 boss kills to have my BD achievements complete.

I might also be able to show you a few tricks.

Europe player here, mostly on evenings.

 

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Like it, but I find it tiring, too long.



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I like it. Get's me out of my Tech more. Once I'm comfortable enough with my aim, I'll probably stop. The better I've been getting with my G2A the less I've been doing co op. However a co op career mode would be sexy.

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