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So I've been playing around with DPI and mouse sensivity over the last week. Lost a ton of MMR as well ^.^

I have the feeling that I have a rather twitchy setting in Hawken.

I've been as low as 800 DPI and Sensitivity 8 ingame. Feels super nice, especially in a Predatorbut too slow for me to keep up with airzerkers etc. 

With all the testing I kinda feel ok at 1300 DPI and 12 sensivity with the Raider, the mech I play most. But it stll feels like a compromise. There are times when I miss shots because I overshoot the target, lower setting feel meh until they reach the point of too slow. 

Last time I played a FPS a bit more serious was in the BFBC2 days. Can't remember any issue back then, slow mouse was fine. 

 

So what are your settings? 

Any ideas how to find a sweetspot?

 

 

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Do you use different DPI for different mechs?



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I use 10 in game and 2200 on my mouse, Not recommended. I would say that anywhere from 400-1200 dpi and 6-12 in game sense is where you're going to do best. Everyone has their own personal sweet spot. 


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I use 1200 dpi and 15 in game, and what merl said. Just keep fiddling within that range until you find something that works.


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I use around 20 in game and either 2300 or 3500 dpi, which is a little much but still


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And try to use as big of a mouse pad and allow for as much movement as you realistically can.

 

That's my advice.

 

If you feel like moving the mouse just a tiny, little bit is what it takes to correct your aim... it's too sensitive.  You can make more precise corrections if you get used to moving your hand around more - especially since Hawken has the aim speed cap that requires you to keep moving the mouse to keep the mech turning for longer.


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I'm not sure about other raiders but for my G2 raider I use. 10 in-game and 1200dpi on mouse.


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Ingame: 20 (Original)

Mouse: depends on mech, but 400 with fast mechs (scout), 250 with Sniper (Reaper/SS)

Hand/Style: Fingertip Grip - Low sense

 

Your playstyle&Mech is important too, cause with low DPI you need to move your mech the way you can easy follow the target. Using high DPI  can shake you off your rythm, because the turnratecap will punish you and you tet the feeling your mouse was fast to a certain moment and got ungly after you hit that point.

 

Make sure your mouse is a good one (sensor without making any errors), there are guides in the internet, so you can check if your mouse is ok or not (mouse acceleration/Smoothing/Angle Snapping/Jitter).

 

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Low sens actually helps a lot with tracking quick targets especially when you're using hitscan and can't rely on splash, but it takes a while to get acclimated to. You just need to have a large mouse pad and get comfortable moving your entire arm in combination with your wrist and fingers instead of just the latter two for aiming.

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400 dpi
Anywhere between 10-16 sens in game

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And try to use as big of a mouse pad and allow for as much movement as you realistically can.

 

That's my advice.

 

If you feel like moving the mouse just a tiny, little bit is what it takes to correct your aim... it's too sensitive.  You can make more precise corrections if you get used to moving your hand around more - especially since Hawken has the aim speed cap that requires you to keep moving the mouse to keep the mech turning for longer.

tried a larger mousepad, wanted to do this for a long time. HOLYCRAPBATMANHASEOCPUCKSINTHETUCKUS! 800 dpi and 15 sens. feels amazing!

More room for fancy maneuvers and it gives me just the amount of sensitivity I really deepy desire need. 

Uhm never mind. Mouse fine now. Everything under control.


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I've always wanted to get a deskpad and use a gaming keypad to free up the most possible mouse real estate as possible. Though I can barely keep the 15 inches of mouse pad I have clean sometimes.

 

Good to see you cleared up your issues. To anyone else who ever feels like they have a hard time "keeping up" at faster speeds, it really comes down to nothing else than keeping your physical movements as close to the in game turn cap as possible. The more you start to move above that speed, the exponentially less mouse pad you have.


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but too slow for me to keep up with airzerkers etc.

 

i made some tweak for my ball-mouse. My aim is sharp now, and not bad for flak-brawler (well, better than before), but it is impossible to use hawkins or any other not burst weapons. feel my pain... :D
 


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i made some tweak for my ball-mouse. My aim is sharp now, and not bad for flak-brawler (well, better than before), but it is impossible to use hawkins or any other not burst weapons. feel my pain... :D
 

feel my breacher :ninja:  :wub:

 

 

I had the same issue last week while tweaking. raider/pred fine. zerker not.


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1800 dpi and 30 ingame. What was that about overshooting targets?


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1800 dpi and 30 ingame. What was that about overshooting targets?

 

what are you? part pit crew part watch maker?

 


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1800 dpi and 30 ingame. What was that about overshooting targets?

 

 

what are you? part pit crew part watch maker?

 

nah, he's a pixie...   very tiny hands.   and his mouse pad is a stamp.



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I've always wanted to get a deskpad and use a gaming keypad to free up the most possible mouse real estate as possible.

I recommend it.


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nah, he's a pixie...   very tiny hands.   and his mouse pad is a stamp.

 

It's actually pretty small, just measured it and never realized it was only 21 by 25cm.


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nah, he's a pixie...   very tiny hands.   and his mouse pad is a stamp.

oh good, i need someone to unclog my toilett and where I live I can't hire children. It's some stupid law thing.



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It's actually pretty small, just measured it and never realized it was only 21 by 25cm.

I figured out I need at least 34 x 25 cm



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The Steelseries QCX or QXC or something like that QCK are very nice and pretty cheap (at least when I bought it, dunno about the price right now), the one I have is the mini and you'll want a bigger variant but I have it since about 5 years ago and it has held up very well so far. Pretty thick, nice smooth cloth and a rubber background to stick to your desk.


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This works great if you're looking for a large mouse pad.

 

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16826995024

 

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+1 for the QCK Heavy suggestion. I'm at 400 DPI/11 in-game sens and it works great, so you should have tons of spare room with 800/15.

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I say particularly low sensitivity is appropriate for Hawken given the turn speed cap, which will guarantee the possibility that you will have to move your hand around the mouse pad: i believe it is ideal to set sens to a level which results in your hand moving around the pad [on average] about the same rate as when you're fighting the turn speed cap.

 

My settings: 2000, 5

 

Related note: It's my suspicion that - if you're really shooting for the absolute - lower mouse DPI paired with higher in-game sens will be smoother than high DPI with low sens- if any difference at all.

The mouse hardware is less reliable by absolute nature than an in-game calculated scale made of hard numbers, right? So if you set your DPI at max, that means your mouse is trying to generate an on-screen travel path of great length via extrapolation of a tiny portion of mouse movement data, right? As a result, this method of on-screen mouse path generation would be more prone to error caused by hardware and imperfections on the physical mouse pad than a the opposite method, where great movement across the pad generates a large quantity of data to use for the generation of the on-screen mouse path?

Idk, makes sense to me. But i have no facts. And the difference would be menial i'd think.

 

And as you can see, i'm using high DPI and low sens; clearly i haven't noticed enough of a difference to change it.

Diminishing returns. Just find what feels right, though my initial recommendation is still that.


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3500 dpi and 34 in game



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Related note: It's my suspicion that - if you're really shooting for the absolute - lower mouse DPI paired with higher in-game sens will be smoother than high DPI with low sens- if any difference at all.

The mouse hardware is less reliable by absolute nature than an in-game calculated scale made of hard numbers, right? So if you set your DPI at max, that means your mouse is trying to generate an on-screen travel path of great length via extrapolation of a tiny portion of mouse movement data, right? As a result, this method of on-screen mouse path generation would be more prone to error caused by hardware and imperfections on the physical mouse pad than a the opposite method, where great movement across the pad generates a large quantity of data to use for the generation of the on-screen mouse path?

Idk, makes sense to me. But i have no facts. And the difference would be menial i'd think.

 

I would think it would be the reverse. Certainly there are cases where turning up mouse DPI is done artificially by extrapolating intermediate data points, but generally a higher dpi should literally mean a finer measurement granularity. Thus the higher DPI, the smaller movement the mouse can detect. Running a lower dpi at higher sens would simply be a smaller downscale of less data to get the same size. It may be as accurate, but by definition it can't be more accurate.

 

As you said though, it is unlikely to matter. Assuming dots per inch is indicative of anything physically (it probably isn't, but whatever), 400 dpi works out to 25 thousandths of an inch, which is pretty small. Polling rate and sensor quality will be more likely to matter, and both of those will be irrelevant if the mouse is uncomfortable to use.

 

Anyway, I run 1000 dpi at 17 sens.


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My Logitech and Razer mice use the built in hardware/firmware to control the dpi of the laser.  I can't see any way that software emulation would be better than that.


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I would think it would be the reverse. Certainly there are cases where turning up mouse DPI is done artificially by extrapolating intermediate data points, but generally a higher dpi should literally mean a finer measurement granularity. Thus the higher DPI, the smaller movement the mouse can detect. Running a lower dpi at higher sens would simply be a smaller downscale of less data to get the same size. It may be as accurate, but by definition it can't be more accurate.

 

As you said though, it is unlikely to matter. Assuming dots per inch is indicative of anything physically (it probably isn't, but whatever), 400 dpi works out to 25 thousandths of an inch, which is pretty small. Polling rate and sensor quality will be more likely to matter, and both of those will be irrelevant if the mouse is uncomfortable to use.

 

Anyway, I run 1000 dpi at 17 sens.

Hm, interesting suggestion.

I really want to know more about mouses now, haha.



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As long as you aren't aren't running a DPI higher than your mouse's maximum native value, your accuracy should be the same assuming in-game sens is adjusted appropriately. High DPIs from interpolation introduce jitter and general inaccuracy due to it being harder to distinguish noise from desired movements, as does running most laser sensors on some soft pads due to the sensor picking up the pad subsurface and not just the precisely-manufactured peaks like optical mice do. 400 DPI is enough for pixel-perfect tracking on all common resolutions, and there's really no reason to go beyond 800 or so. This is supported by the mouse settings of pro FPS players--I can't find a spreadsheet for UT/Quake players which would probably be more relevant to Hawken (though maybe not, since Hawken's hitboxes are huge and movement is relatively slow compared to those games which allows for significantly lower inches/360), but here's what 213 pro CS:GO players use. I adjusted my sensitivity to approximately the median value and found my hitscan accuracy went up significantly.

 

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What the hell?  This is a list of names 9 year olds would come up with.  This is a list of names people who have had more than one lobotomy would come up with.  This is a list of names Michael Bay would give hacker protagonists in his movies, completely seriously.  All of these names approach the maximum value for terrible, asymptotically.

How much do you think pro athletes wish they could give themselves bitchin titles like this?


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What the hell?  This is a list of names 9 year olds would come up with.  This is a list of names people who have had more than one lobotomy would come up with.  This is a list of names Michael Bay would give hacker protagonists in his movies, completely seriously.  All of these names approach the maximum value for terrible, asymptotically.

 

Open thread-derailing question:  What is appealing about inconsistent capitalization or 1337speak?

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How much do you think pro athletes wish they could give themselves bitchin titles like this?

 

Reading your post, my first thought was "well yeah, they'd be more likely to be recipients of head trauma", so my guess is you're on to something.


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The name I wanted ingame wasn't available, so I just replaced letters with numbers and added random fuzzy bunny at the end until it was accepted. It's ugly as sin but at least it's mine.

 

 

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Resurrected because I'm going to order a new mousepad today. My current one is like 7" x 7" and kind of wrinkles up at one edge so there's only like 7" x 6" of usable space. Aside from "as big as will fit on my desk" is there anything in particular I should be looking for? Any specific recommendations? 


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Resurrected because I'm going to order a new mousepad today. My current one is like 7" x 7" and kind of wrinkles up at one edge so there's only like 7" x 6" of usable space. Aside from "as big as will fit on my desk" is there anything in particular I should be looking for? Any specific recommendations? 

Well, I personally hate the ones that have the weird 'plastic' surface that is supposed to be 'more accurate' and 'easier to move on'.  When I get into the heat of a game, if my palm or wrist gets even a little damp, it starts sticking to the pad and pissing me off.  I do just fine with the traditional cloth surface.

 

Also, I am happiest with a medium thickness/softness pad.  The thin ones are too hard and seem to get warped or curl too quickly.  The thick ones feel too... soft and slow.

 

For the size, don't compromise because you can't find one that is exactly the right size to maximize available space.  Buy one that is too big before you buy one that is too small.  You can easily cut them down to fit.  And you can run a lighter along the edge where you cut to seal up the threads that get loosened.


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