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Okay, so first off. I was not proposing a change in rate of fire, or damage. I was simply suggesting a slight boost in the velocity of the pucks. Purposefully so, due to the fact that in various points of Hawken history the EOC repeater has been op precisely because of it either doing to much damage or firing to quickly. 

 

I believe a speed buff to pucks would put the eoc repeater in a nice spot, in terms of versatility/specialization, compared to other weapons. 

 

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it is not very effective.

 

There is a problem when a player using any other weapon can reliably apply damage with very little effort, in comparison to the EOC Repeater. Especially if this difference causes the vast majority of the player population to simply not use the weapon.

 

I don't propose huge changes, I think a small elegant change can increase the EOC Repeaters versatility without making it to easy to use. 

 

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You can choose to use the fact that not many players choose the G2A as a sign that something might be wrong with it. If that is the case and you want to convince other people of this. Then you will need to create a post to argue that, preferably using stats and stuff. Kind of like what I did for the EOC repeater.

 

Sorry that I might not have been clear enough before in my argument. 

 

EOC was stronger once. Very popular for dueling. Was nerfed. Because chorus of complaints it was too stronk.

 

No long term memory and a disregard for what has gone on forces each successive generation to have to relearn why things are the way the are.

 

Not trolling.

Genuinely irritated at the lack of insight being smokeshowed by pedantic listing of stats of the present eoc as if it "needs improvement".

Never-ending cycle of buffs and nerfs is what gets demanded, because everything's forgotten.

 

I maintain;

 

  • EOC is good, some people don't have the aptitude for it.

 

Not everyone get's a trophy, not everyone's "special". The universe is indifferent to one's personal deficits.

Figurative wheelchair ramps to facets of the entire game are not required in order to balance it.

Careful what you wish for, you might get the most boring milk-toast imaginable.

Struggle can sweeten the reward of learning to do something difficult or uncomfortable.

That is certainly what I have found in the eoc as it is now.

 

TBPH I would suggest that if you haven't been playing eoc at least a couple dozen hours a week as it sits now,  this is just noise.

To assert that "the vast majority of the player population do not use the eoc" is hyperbole and simply untrue.

Just because you prefer anything else over eoc indicates not that it is UP, but perhaps that you are not up to the challenge.

 

I am enamored with the eoc and the many many eoc players I encounter everyday from all regions.

We like it just fine. We like that it takes some figurin' and practice to work it well.

We like that any limp impotent foray into it pays dividends in kind.

That you get out of it precisely in proportion to the effort you invest into it.

 

I for one find much of the really popular options in primaries dull as dishwater.

I've played a metric f-ton of fps shooters online for the pc, there's not a lot out there comparable to the EOC in Hawken, in it's unique attributes, and it's requirements of the person trying to wrestle some results out of it.

It's fakkin lovely. TYVM. More walkin' less talkin'.  Get ogre it.

 


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About G2 assault, I feel like it's a missed opportunity.

 

I would have prefered a gameplay that lead to ~105 DPS, 6 heat per second when using 1 weapon, and a really high DPS when using both let's say ~190 DPS, but with a really high heat per second (25 heat per second ? 4s before overheat, 760 damage before overheat).

(105 DPS is the SMC, 190 DPS is equivalent to incinerator with uncharged SAARE + PAPA)

 

On the paper this seems more tricky due to a dual mode that overheat like hell and could sort of buff the "low-grade" coolant of the G2A.


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Interesting topic concept. I think looking at what mechs don't feature in high tier play, AND what the "dream team" for 3v3, 6v6, MA, and SG is an interesting question.

Addmittedly, your title is not good. Just being honest, I'd recommend referencing the content of the post in the title.


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About G2 assault, I feel like it's a missed opportunity.

I would have prefered a gameplay that lead to ~105 DPS, 6 heat per second when using 1 weapon, and a really high DPS when using both let's say ~190 DPS, but with a really high heat per second (25 heat per second ? 4s before overheat, 760 damage before overheat).
(105 DPS is the SMC, 190 DPS is equivalent to incinerator with uncharged SAARE + PAPA)

On the paper this seems more tricky due to a dual mode that overheat like hell and could sort of buff the "low-grade" coolant of the G2A.


I think it needs higher DPS all around. Keeping the unique Vulcan XT is great. But it should be one of two weapons.

To reference the dps change mentioned earlier, I'll have to look at the patch notes, but it lacks oompf even if it is at 155. Maybe adding the Assault cannon and messing around with the Vulcan xt DPS until the AC and vxt do a combined 165. Or leave iit at 155 given that the AC is more accurate. Keep the heat rate where it's at when firing both. It heats up pretty fast as is and the g2 coolant will only kill half the heat if you continue to fire. It's just an idea. I feel it's miles better than what we have now. Something should be done to it...

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I do agree that the G2A is, if nothing else, not as awesome as it sounds like it should be.

When they released it, it was the one thing I wanted most. When I saw the lack of levels, no chance for different configurations of weapons... I was disappointed.

I wanted something where I could really grind to make great. Then I bought a predator, and haven't been good enough since.
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Crafty, 

 

I feel you. after spending hundreds of hours learning (im a little slow, and sometimes intoxicated) the EOC they kept changing characteristics that I learned to apply on the fly. It may now be a little under-powered compared to some weapons, but many players don't deal with it well. On the other hand some see me using it and start drooling, but I digress. It works well with a fading, giving ground play-style that I used to use to bait and play ring around the rosie with just about anyone to an ultimate success if it was one on one. 

 

The pucks are a little slow, but I destroy scouts and other light mechs in mid level play rather easily, 1 burst of charged, 1 shot of quick 3 and a grenade is all it usually takes. 

 

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