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What makes you stick together to other players during a match?

 

Do you try to support and take care to the current leader of the scoreboard on your team during the game?

 

Do you ignore the score board's leader on your team in terms of support and positioning?

 

Just curious?

 

Note: this is not about stealing kills nor anything like that. It's just about understanding what are you preferences in general terms about to who you follow and mostly why.. so to speak

 

Edit: What do you think about "unnaturally" focusing too much on "stealing kills"...? -So to speak


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Do you try to support and take care to the current leader of the scoreboard on your team during the game?

 

Do you ignore the score board's leader on your team in terms of support and positioning?

 

I have taken the liberty of rewording your questions in a less rhetorical, passive aggressive, and grammatically erroneous manner. Have a nice day.

 

To answer your questions: I look for opportunities to kill enemies without dying, prevent one of my teammates from dying, or damage enemies more than I am myself damaged. Where the players on my team land on the scoreboard factor little into that consideration.


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killy mech + me = more killing


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I have taken the liberty of rewording your questions in a less rhetorical, passive aggressive, and grammatically erroneous manner. Have a nice day.

 

To answer your questions: I look for opportunities to kill enemies without dying, prevent one of my teammates from dying, or damage enemies more than I am myself damaged. Where the players on my team land on the scoreboard factor little into that consideration.

Thanks, updated OP. Not to be agressive nor -et ceteras .. I'm just tired today and need some sleep.. hence my bad english there. Thanks again ;)


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Thanks, updated OP. Not to be agressive nor -et ceteras .. I'm just tired today and need some sleep.. hence my bad english there. Thanks again ;)

 

No worries. When writing in language other than your native one things can get lost in translation.


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What makes you stick together to other players during a match?

 

Do you try to support and take care to the current leader of the scoreboard on your team during the game?

 

Do you ignore the score board's leader on your team in terms of support and positioning?

 

Broadly speaking, no. In the vast majority of matches I join, I'm going to be the top-scorer. In the ones I'm not, the top-scorer doesn't need my help. In all cases, I focus on those I can help while accomplishing the mission, i.e. those immediately near me or at the forefront of the current skirmish. This is usually in the form of orbs or, in the case of facing actually skilled opponents like in the 3v3 Cup, face-checking opponents' projectiles.


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Add another vote to "Don't care what their score is." When deciding whether or not to help someone, I consider four things first:

How far away are they?

How low is their health?

How many enemies are they facing?

How much health do those enemies have?


If the balance of those things is favourable, I help. Otherwise, sorry, but I'm not going to run in and feed the other team an extra kill. The person's score has no bearing on that decision.
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If we're talking tdm, all I consider is if I can kill the potential target and survive the next encounter/where to move next after the fight/ will I draw unsurvivable attention?

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I play situationally:  If there is a player (or players) positioned where it makes sense for me to pair up with or support them, I will.   I don't chase off to try to help Leroy - he's a lost cause.  I won't hang back hiding with wimpy players either.  And, if there's a significant score leader... I probably haven't noticed, unless it's the end of the match.

 

This topic is about TDM... but I'd have a much different answer for Siege and MA - which still wouldn't involve what the score leader was doing.


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That's something I mostly decide analyzing the minimap, so I have no clue who is the team leader. Depending on the situation, I join the largest group or the one which needs a member more. If things come desperate, I try to stick with the team leader.


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I tend to not really look at the score to determine who I help.  If there a bunch of my team mates clustered together and I am playing the infiltrator mech (which I tend to always play); I will normally opt to flank the opposition (you know playing the mech as I deemed it is intended to be played) and close off the opposition team.  



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I just stay with the largest group of teammates I can get to. Lone-wolfing usually doesn't end well for me(1v6 anybody?)


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In a publicteam death match...

I just try to get into the most trouble I can.

I try to get the maximum amount of enemies negative attention.

I'll shoot an enemy, shoot their teammate, shoot their team mate, see if it's possible to kite these 3 toward the rest of their team, shoot them as well;

now I'll see if I can get away with these shenanigans, now I'll see what's possible-what I'm made of.

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With my ping these days it generally goes something like:

Equip Rocketard.
Drop Turrets
Spam lockons
See how long before they start getting annoyed.
Try to draw them to where my team can ambush them, cos really I don't have much chance to get the kill.

Equip Pred.
Wander stealthed spotting enemy team
fire pucks through choke points
Look for opportunities to EMP
Get annoyed when they bring a Pred and I can't hide.
Change back to Rocketard.
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Do you try to support and take care to the current leader of the scoreboard on your team during the game?

I do support buddies whether they are score leaders or not. There are few pple in EU that score and which I'd rather EMP or steal kills if I can.

 

Do you ignore the score board's leader on your team in terms of support and positioning?

I sometimes check who is the score leader :

- to figure out if a "new names" could be smurfs of pple I play with and add him in my contact list.

- to #tryharder


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i usually follow veteran assault mech


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I will follow the top scorer at the end of the round so I can get in the victory cam if we win. 


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I will follow the top scorer at the end of the round so I can get in the victory cam if we win. 

 

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Generally the best team deathmatch strategy is to play deathmatch.


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someone's score isn't a factor in any decision i make. I always stay close to the largest group of teammates that exists on the map and try to keep my distance so if the enemy team catches the group off guard i won't be noticed and can leave the area if it's not looking good or help if it is.. most of the time this allows me to do things on my own terms instead of the enemy's and gives me more options. If i'm on one of those teams where nobody sticks together and just walks around alone then i'll go to whoever's closest when i spawn and stay with them until they give me a reason not to.

 

 

 

The only time i'll take score into consideration when doing things is if my team is getting destroyed and it's 20-0 or something.. then i'll find the highest scoring player on my team and stay near them at all times, or if that happens to be me i'll find whoever's right below me and stick with them. 


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General in TDM pick up games, you should not worry so much about the leader but where the group is. If someone is dominating they do not need your help.

 

Most of my loadouts have an orb mainly for a teamy. I feel in tdm saving someone or staying alive is saving a point. But I have found you should avoid trying to save someone badly out numbered or far away. It does no good to burst into three enemies alone who are sitting on orbs of your fallen comrades (well that can be crazy fun sometimes if you get away with it)



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I prefer to flank and yolo dive. TDM is just a deathmatch where half the players aren't shooting at me.

Also, cloaking and then sneaking behind enemy lines to alpha the tech/A-classes is the best way to TDM.
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I usually try stick close enough to my team in general. In addition I try to flank with bruiser, vulgren, etc. as my fps is that great. I hover around 1800 mmr. Rather than paying attention to my own team score leader, I try to spot leaders in enemy team that create spots for lower level pilots to deal damage and focus fire on them.

In pub matches these guys manage to keep a foothold for the rest of the team even in unfavorable situations. Overall it's strange as I find these people to be the ones that have good personal skill, but are oblivious to teamwork. But there always seems to be space for the rest of the team in the trail of havoc they cause. I think these people are the scoreboard leaders that you speak of, just on the enemy team, around whom people gather.


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Too many likes.. +1 all ;)


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I just have to make one point. In team Death match keyword being team. There is no kill stealing. It is a team effort to have the most kills it doesn't matter how one does it.


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I try to stay grouped up as much as possible,  always keeping an eye on the radar to see where everyone is..I can sense when it's going to be a rough match when I see my teammate's blips on radar scattered all over the map or at the start of a match I'll notice 1 or 2 players just bolt off on their own. But such is the way in PUBS.

 

Trying to stay positioned as a group isn't always easy when playing with others that don't play a lot together. Then there is the issue of team balance. If you get one or two good players on one team, they can control the tempo of the game where the rest will follow their lead and stay much more organized causing chaos among the opposing team not giving them a chance to regroup.

 

No matter what, I will always try to look for my teammates first (unless one is a top tier player that can jet around the map with no fear)...look for the largest group on the radar and try to find them and stay with them as much as possible. If the team leader is in that group, so be it. But do what the man says...stick together. 


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I prefer to flank and yolo dive. TDM is just a deathmatch where half the players aren't shooting at me.

Also, cloaking and then sneaking behind enemy lines to alpha the tech/A-classes is the best way to TDM.


This. Or wait for both teams to square up against each other, then yolodive right into the enemy dethball.

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I just have to make one point. In team Death match keyword being team. There is no kill stealing. It is a team effort to have the most kills it doesn't matter how one does it.

Axiomatically, yes. Or theorically, that's pretty correct.

However, in practice, when some player is just -well, we mentioned/explained that above but let's remind it..- blatantly not helping and just stalking until some team mate gets killed to gain a kill.. then that sucks pretty much. Although, again, you have a point there but it's only that it has 2 edges.. in other words; when someone puts it's own statistics in front of the overall team performance from a tactical stand point.

Team mates piloting assassination mechs should not be included most of the times though... due to he inherent role of their mechs. Well.. most of the times, you get my point too.. it's complicated sometimes whilst others so blatantly obvious the egotistic individual goal is

 

 

I try to stay grouped up as much as possible,  always keeping an eye on the radar to see where everyone is..I can sense when it's going to be a rough match when I see my teammate's blips on radar scattered all over the map or at the start of a match ...


 

Good points there

 

Sometimes, mostly in TDM, I find myself in the need of typing -probably many times while playing with new pilots- something like "Have a look at your radar, regroup a.s.a.p" or "Guys, check your radar.. stick together, please!". So I'm usually missing some macros or new -hybrid*?- alerts to fill the gap there. Typing in the chat window consumes time.. -doing that fighting Vs. good pilots becomes in a lethal trap most of the times.

 

Comes to mind the old and neutral voice record: "Stick together, guys". Maybe a new one saying "Keep checking you radar" or something like that might be of help as well


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If I see a team holding together or a team that has a good makeup, I will join them. If they scatter, I play something I dont need support with. Usually I wait until I see who is playing what and WHO is playing that mech before i make up my mind how im going to play a specific map. 

 

Often, if my team is a bunch of headless chickens and the other team is a death ball, ill play infil or something and spend time flanking them repeatedly to break up their focus. I usually dont get a lot of kills that way but a couple detonators and lots of heat blasts and grenades usually works at turning some guns around long enough for my team to punch through on the other side. If i see some class b and c's staying organized, I may go tech to boost their positions on the map. If its bunker, I go Vanguard usually as my A's cant handle all the sustained fire from organized teams on that map. If SRD is low on a map, ill go scout because.. flak stomp is fun. 

 

I will help my team if I have a team. if I dont i do whatever and if they get organized Ill join them. Im not going to stand in front of a death ball with a bunch of new players. no thanks. I (try) to maintain a positive KD


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If I see a team holding together or a team that has a good makeup, I will join them. If they scatter, I play something I dont need support with. Usually I wait until I see who is playing what and WHO is playing that mech before i make up my mind how im going to play a specific map. 

 

Often, if my team is a bunch of headless chickens and the other team is a death ball, ill play infil or something and spend time flanking them repeatedly to break up their focus. I usually dont get a lot of kills that way but a couple detonators and lots of heat blasts and grenades usually works at turning some guns around long enough for my team to punch through on the other side. If i see some class b and c's staying organized, I may go tech to boost their positions on the map. If its bunker, I go Vanguard usually as my A's cant handle all the sustained fire from organized teams on that map. If SRD is low on a map, ill go scout because.. flak stomp is fun. 

 

I will help my team if I have a team. if I dont i do whatever and if they get organized Ill join them. Im not going to stand in front of a death ball with a bunch of new players. no thanks. I (try) to maintain a positive KD

That's the spirit.. at least a good chunk of it

 

... What I try to do -while playing with new players- is to suggest actions and provide intel upon a time on what's going on during a match. Doin that via typing text and/or via tactical markers; from time to time

 

Some Cons:

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Well, at least most of the times, you should not expect any coherent reaction from your team mates as you're trying to guide, instruct or just provide some possibilities to them on the field

Sometimes they may pay attention while others not even in the slightly. The problem isn't playing with noobs for a number of obvious and, mos tof the times, normal reasons..

what may end up making you feel like pretty deceived will be having that happening while playing with skilled pilots in your team -even more when you may feel ignored and the match is going to hell from minute 3.. or so

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--> Quick conclusion:

Don't expect much from unknown team mates during a match. Sometimes neither from pilots within your friends list. Although many times the magic will flow and your team will perform well cohesionated, you should not get mad when things are going in the wrong way.

If you're about to face 2 or more enemies while having some team mate near to you, don't expect any support from him/her by default while engaging those opponents. Thus do that at your own risk to do not feel deveived if he or she runs away instead or just watches you going to hell while providing zero help

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Related suggestion: Would be good idea, imho, adding one new graphical asset in order to identify pro pilots on your hud. For example, some little star near to their pilot nick names.. this might be of help too. Hoping you get my point here too

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And hoping this helps as well ;)


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