WTF when player like me who plays this game 3 days plays almost only vs lvl 30 players.
Edited by Greennovis, 10 May 2015 - 12:44 PM.
WTF when player like me who plays this game 3 days plays almost only vs lvl 30 players.
Edited by Greennovis, 10 May 2015 - 12:44 PM.
Read these and you should understand.
https://community.pl...t-feedback-now/
https://community.pl...nd-some-charts/
To summarize, devs are testing different ways to try and make matches both balanced while also allowing people with really high MMRs still able to play the game. They're currently doing this by making the automatic matchmaker place people into servers closest to their MMR. However, there's a time limit and if no close MMR servers are available, it will put you in the first nearest one it finds.
Secondly, pilot level really means very little in this game. It says nothing about a person's skill level (MMR), only that they've played a certain amount of time. So while you may have only played 3 days and are a low pilot level, someone level 30 could have played 3 months and still be WORSE than you in terms of skill.
This isn't CoD, Halo, or GTA5 where a person's level means they're better than you.
Edited by nokari, 10 May 2015 - 12:53 PM.
I just had 4 games in row on siege where we did 0 dmg overall to enemy base bcz i was always ded in like 1-2 seconds mostly before seeing anyone. Then i change mode and i join team dm game where i roam for like 3 minutes on a map (without finding anyone) then run into 3+ ded in less then second. And thats what whole game was about 2:50 final results. So much balance
Edited by Greennovis, 10 May 2015 - 12:57 PM.
Someone level 30 could have played 3 months and still be WORSE than you in terms of skill.
Many lvl-30s are down in the ~1400MMR range.
Did I say Call Me Ishmael?
You should call me Luna.
Pilot lvl isn't really indicative of a pilot's true skill. A lvl 30 pilot can be anything really, a below average, an average or even a very above average pilot. Reaching a lvl 30 is basically just putting time into the game.
Just play, watch and learn from those that you see are much better than you are at the moment and with some practice your skill lvl will rise too.
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I just had 4 games in row on siege where we did 0 dmg overall to enemy base bcz i was always ded in like 1-2 seconds mostly before seeing anyone. Then i change mode and i join team dm game where i roam for like 3 minutes on a map then run into 3+ ded in less then second. And thats what whole game was about 2:50 final results. So much balance
Yeah. We're aware of it. The Dev team is aware of it. No I can't keep certain undesirable elements from stomping newbs. Experienced players should (though not all do) leave newbs alone and play further up the food chain.
Did I say Call Me Ishmael?
You should call me Luna.
Yeah but wtf. All my games are that iehter my team is dominating and im only dieing. Or enemy team is dominating and im only dieing. In first 2 days i had fine balanced games but today its impossibru to do ANYTHING. I dont know if i forgot to play overnight or WTF??
My 6 year old is a level 30.
I've run into newbies on thier second match out there owning the field.
Hawken's like a box of chocolates..
Some of them are filled with gooey sweetness,
Some of them are filled with ghost peppers
never know whatcha gonna get...
Edited by Silverfire, 10 May 2015 - 03:34 PM.
I think you'll be alright in a few more days Greennovis. Hawken plays like no other game I've ever played and it takes time to aclimate to the unusual style of play and tactics needed to not die every time you step out. What's great is that once you start to "feel" Hawken, you'll start living for several minutes... then for huge chunks of time where you get like 5 and 10 kill streaks... and then where you only die once or twice a match.
The biggest moment in skill change for me in Hawken was when I realized that I was able to know the maps and start predicting where enemies would pop out.
Keep on truckin' man, it's worth it.
To be serious for a moment this is just a joke
Read these and you should understand.
https://community.pl...t-feedback-now/
https://community.pl...nd-some-charts/
To summarize, devs are testing different ways to try and make matches both balanced while also allowing people with really high MMRs still able to play the game. They're currently doing this by making the automatic matchmaker place people into servers closest to their MMR. However, there's a time limit and if no close MMR servers are available, it will put you in the first nearest one it finds.
Secondly, pilot level really means very little in this game. It says nothing about a person's skill level (MMR), only that they've played a certain amount of time. So while you may have only played 3 days and are a low pilot level, someone level 30 could have played 3 months and still be WORSE than you in terms of skill.
This isn't CoD, Halo, or GTA5 where a person's level means they're better than you.
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Yeah but these maps are total labyrynths. And the repair mech makes the game total unbalanced.
Almost every map is so large that on team deadmatch u walk around for like 2 minutes before you find anyone to shoot. And when u find anyone to shoot is usualy 2-3 enemyes. 2 days ago i played deadmatch. I was wining 300 points and the second guy had 170 when 3 minutes to da end. I lost that bcz in these 3 minutes i didnt met ANYONE on that stupid labyrinth uptown map, i was searching pointlesly bcz the map is soooooooo huge like for 64x64 battles but its 6v6 on tdm WTF???
Another thing is the support mech. When one team has it and the other does not. The team with healer always win.
And to the levels. Yeah levels tells ony how much time person invested into the game. So how the hell can player who has ~10hours play with enemys who have lvl 30? If they wanna atract new players. They should not pute them to play against pros bcz they will uninstall and leave and never buy premium again.
As most of you have completely missed to OP's point here, allow me to play devils advocate (and the following applies to any new player)
Why should he continue to play this game ? Only 3 days into the Hawken experience he is getting slaughtered by pilots that are too high MMR to be there.
Hawken has a high skill ceiling, and getting murdered by players at the top end of that curve will teach you nothing, you must learn basics before trying to understand advanced techniques.
Why should he continue to play to collate data for reloaded ? Because he loves it like you guys do ? WRONG - that attachment takes time to develop.
Look at most peoples Steam games list, how many do you see with 2 hours or less ? Many, and why ? because game failed to grab them in the first couple of play sessions. The feelings of unfairness, and having no chance of winning are some of the worst
I have been thrown into these 1600 mmr (or less) servers (I am 2100mmr), and even picking my worst mech that I hadn't played for a year I went 20-2-14 and wrecked it.
I only did that as a test, now I'll just leave - I like Bot TDM, and whilst its no challenge either i find it therapeutic.
Interestingly the next game on that same server ( i watched it on HawkenUKapp, I saw Hrono drop in there (he's around 2400 MMR), He left without playing, but that just shows how new players can become continual cannon fodder for high level players.
There's always been an element of this in the past of course, not much can be done with smurfs etc, but this change is actually guaranteeing that new players get wrecked, with no chance to learn as the skill gap is so massive.
And all to try to get a few Uber high skilled players a game (which i do have sympathy for) BUT
1. For most of these pilots wrecking noobs and destroying the games future is not what they had in mind.
2. For the few that like pub stomping, they are the Fuzzy Bunnys that the matchmaker safeguards were put in place for.
Why should he continue to play to collate data for reloaded ? Because he loves it like you guys do ? WRONG - that attachment takes time to develop.
This is something some people don't realize. How much of you guys would have stopped playing Hawken right away if your first experience of it was being slaughtered over and over without having a chance to learn anything? I love this game, but I only started to love it when I played more and more and realized all the small gameplay details, different mech playstyles and tactics.
Even if you are someone with naturally good aim you still have to learn the map to an extent, to get a hang of how the game plays, the intervals between shooting, the dodge timings. All this becomes muscle memory after a while but imagine your first experience with Hawken being spawn -> die over and over without learning anything. I'd probably have left before I realized how rich the gameplay is.
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you know what guys screw this system. I will just feed 0 kills 0 dmg for this day and i hope tomorow it will be ok
Edited by Greennovis, 11 May 2015 - 04:21 AM.
@ Greennovis
Not every game will be like that, and you'll spot these pilots a mile off.
My honest advice to you is this.
1. If you see one of these pilots on your team, follow them, watch what they do, how they flank, how they always look to get the jump on enemy and get the first shot in, how they drop health orbs and doge over them in combat to increase their effective armour, and all the other 100 things that experience teaches.
2. If you have one of these against you, make it your mission to evade and avoid them, walk everywhere so you don't show on radar. Play predator if you have one. Lead them back to your team if you can.
And if it gets too annoying play a round or 2 of Bot TDM or take a break. Hawken is honestly a great game, it just takes time to "get it" (about 6 months for me).
Yeah but these maps are total labyrynths. And the repair mech makes the game total unbalanced.
Almost every map is so large that on team deadmatch u walk around for like 2 minutes before you find anyone to shoot. And when u find anyone to shoot is usualy 2-3 enemyes. 2 days ago i played deadmatch. I was wining 300 points and the second guy had 170 when 3 minutes to da end. I lost that bcz in these 3 minutes i didnt met ANYONE on that stupid labyrinth uptown map, i was searching pointlesly bcz the map is soooooooo huge like for 64x64 battles but its 6v6 on tdm WTF???
If you have a mic, hop on the Hawken Teamspeak. You can meet up with some experienced players there that can show you the maps and how to best navigate them. I guarantee you'll find someone to help if there are some people on.



Come on Crafty, you have been officially called out on your lies. Your online reputation is at stake here, this is just like an old school street race running for pink slips. Its run what you brung and hope its enough. Put up or shut the fuzzy bunny up.
This is something some people don't realize. How much of you guys would have stopped playing Hawken right away if your first experience of it was being slaughtered over and over without having a chance to learn anything?
This right here. When I started we had a lot more armor and there was no air dodge. Now you get hit with one sniper shot and your mech is going beep....beep....beep, or you get swarmed with a classes twitching all over that literally never come down. A post I remember from the old forums after the change referred to it as "demoralizing." A lot of people left during that time. I wouldn't want to be just starting out now.
Yeah but these maps are total labyrynths. And the repair mech makes the game total unbalanced.
Almost every map is so large that on team deadmatch u walk around for like 2 minutes before you find anyone to shoot.
(((To be honest, as someone who hasn't played too long, I've only had this happen to me, like, a handful of times. It happens. Just make sure you aren't caught unawares)))
And when u find anyone to shoot is usualy 2-3 enemyes.
(((It's a team based game. Ideally you shouldn't be going at it alone. )))
2 days ago i played deadmatch. I was wining 300 points and the second guy had 170 when 3 minutes to da end. I lost that bcz in these 3 minutes i didnt met ANYONE on that stupid labyrinth uptown map, i was searching pointlesly bcz the map is soooooooo huge like for 64x64 battles but its 6v6 on tdm WTF???
(((Oh none of the maps are large enough to have that many mechs, trust me. Also, if you are lost, search out for your teammates, not look for enemies. Teammates show up on your radar, of course, and who knows, maybe they need some help)))
Another thing is the support mech. When one team has it and the other does not. The team with healer always win.
(((Generally because a lot of newer players can't effectively choose their target or flank effectively on a normal basis, plus given how easy the Tech is to kill they have to play hard to get.)))
And to the levels. Yeah levels tells ony how much time person invested into the game. So how the hell can player who has ~10hours play with enemys who have lvl 30? If they wanna atract new players. They should not pute them to play against pros bcz they will uninstall and leave and never buy premium again.
(((If this was MMR, I'd get you. But levels are a different story. I hit level 30 within a week or so of playing. Given that this playerbase isn't that big having fights between players who've played under a certain amount of time or level won't get a new guys as many matches than their MMR. Going against a level 30 may mean they've played longer, but it doesn't automatically mean better.
Also, I spent, like, most of the first few days of my playing this getting stomped. It happens. You have to learn the game, learn the levels, and learn the mechs. If you enjoy the game, just keep at it.)))
Allot of players don't know what MMR is and that's why levels are quoted allot.
@ Greennovis,
Just in case you don't know, next time in game, add a friend, name SCRIMBOT
When in a match start a chat with scrimbot and type MMR (this will give your in game skill rating)
Then type SRD (this will give you the MMR range of your game IE: highest MMR player Lowest, and average)
If there is a large difference (300+) then your match will likely be unbalanced.
As others say pilot level does not = skill, MMR for this purpose does.
Thx for advices. Is there any way to have dodging and boosting both on doubletap and shift ?? I want dodging on double tap but boosting on shift. This would really help me.
And my situation now is like this. I got Incinerator with M4MA with no internals. I got assault with assault rifle with starting internals. I got bruiser with assault rifle and no internals. And my games look like this
I play incinerator im in first 3 from my team and "have a chance"
I play assault and im last or 2nd last and get killed mostly before i see the enemy.
I play bruiser and im last total 0 chance against anyone
And when u mentioned predator i remembered situation that completely slapped me in a face with pure idiocy. To start of imho even in games player should maintain at least a litle integrity and honor. And predator and sharpshooter are imho noob clases. Doing efortless kills with no danger for urself waiting for lasthits like biggest "put there waht u prefer".
And this is why. Yeasterday i joined a game on siege mode. The moment i joined my base had 400 hp enemy had 3000 hp and they had ship on and aa controled. There was one guy in my team playing sharpshooter who after i dont know how many minutes of gameplay hes score was 9kills 0 deaths. During the time when i played whole team was trying to capture AA but they were 6 there and we was allways overwhelmed.
Then after the game ended he wrote something like "gg this meganoob team". My score at the end was 8 kills 3 asists 6 deaths. His score was 10 kills 0 asists 0 deaths. And enemy team was like "yeah you are pro" and "you are my hero" and stuff like that. What made me really rage bcz he was the one who made the team loose. Bcz he was not doing the objective. He was just avoiding all fight unless enemy was 1hit.
So i told him my opinion and he started to be like "im pro you are nothing, i wont listen to some random fuzzy bunny" and i told him something like "u just made ur team loose the game, if you care only about the score you should go play cod" then he overspamed whole chats with instults and arguments like "im pro". "0 deats"
Then another game started. This time he was in enemy team. I gone to collect EU fighted and killed 2 guys and was runing to base with 120 armor to put EU to base. He killed me with predator and then disapeared. He didnt even take the 250 EU i had. He wrote somethink like "now you see im pro" "that was pro kill" and he did like 0 objective whatsoever. We won that game 3000 to 0 since he was enemey and we alwayw overwhelmed enemy at AA. Hes score was 7kills 0 asists 1 deaths. The game took like 20 minutes to play but he did nothing at all. Yet he was still "Pro" to some players and to himself. I could not stop laugh at him. But pity everyone who has so called "PRO" like this in team.
And its also pity that players prefer that stupid anoying TDM mode
over those epic siege and rocket assault :'-(
bcz now i have to play on american servers with 250 ping during night ![]()
Edited by Greennovis, 11 May 2015 - 05:59 AM.
novis,
Good news. Since you're posting here at all, you're better than 95% of the people who have ever played this game. That makes you mlg pro.
I agree SSers who stand back and steal kills are lower than pondscum. Some actually contribute.
Stay away from Siege for a while if you rage easily.
Can't have thin skin in a high-skill cap game.
Did I say Call Me Ishmael?
You should call me Luna.
It was not the fact that we are loosing that made me rage. IT was the fact that they call him "pro" bcz he made his team loose but didnt die and was overall almost useless lasthiter. Since on siege killing enemy with 100 hp is same like letting him run behind wall to repair. You just get a kill and maybe 2 seconds.
The people calling him "pro" were most likely just being sarcastic. I do that all the time - sit and sarcastically stroke the egos of these dipsticks who take the game too damn seriously and think they are a "pro". A professional is someone who makes their living at a particular trade. I promise you that nobody is making a living playing Hawken. They're just sad individuals who have nothing else of real value in their lives, so they have managed to fool themselves into believing in the importance of how awesome they are at a video game. What a joke.
Edited by StubbornPuppet, 11 May 2015 - 05:50 AM.
To be serious for a moment this is just a joke
Pro Sharpshooters are the worst.
Then after the game ended he wrote something like "gg this meganoob team". My score at the end was 8 kills 3 asists 6 deaths. His score was 10 kills 0 asists 0 deaths. And enemy team was like "yeah you are pro" and "you are my hero" and stuff like that. What made me really rage bcz he was the one who made the team loose. Bcz he was not doing the objective. He was just avoiding all fight unless enemy was 1hit.
So i told him my opinion and he started to be like "im pro you are nothing, i wont listen to some random fuzzy bunny" and i told him something like "u just made ur team loose the game, if you care only about the score you should go play cod" then he overspamed whole chats with instults and arguments like "im pro". "0 deats"
Then another game started. This time he was in enemy team. I gone to collect EU fighted and killed 2 guys and was runing to base with 120 armor to put EU to base. He killed me with predator and then disapeared. He didnt even take the 250 EU i had. He wrote somethink like "now you see im pro" "that was pro kill" and he did like 0 objective whatsoever.
Just line in every online game you'll meet dipshits, best is to ignore them it's not worth the time. And when you get good enough to stomp them you'll have the satisfaction of knowing they are raging behind their screen.
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Pro Sharpshooters are the worst.
I see what you did there.
To be serious for a moment this is just a joke
Pro Sharpshooters are the worst.
Some actually contribute.
Did I say Call Me Ishmael?
You should call me Luna.
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How am i 1630 MMR after 4 days. Does players start on 2000 or wtf???
Players start at 1250 MMR, which is comically low, imo.
Thx for advices. Is there any way to have dodging and boosting both on doubletap and shift ?? I want dodging on double tap but boosting on shift. This would really help me.
***At the moment, no.
And my situation now is like this. I got Incinerator with M4MA with no internals. I got assault with assault rifle with starting internals. I got bruiser with assault rifle and no internals. And my games look like this
I play incinerator im in first 3 from my team and "have a chance"
***M4MA Incin is best at support and area denial. Keep this in mind. If you want to be more offensive, you should use one of the other two weapons.
I play assault and im last or 2nd last and get killed mostly before i see the enemy.
***Just practice and try to stay with your team. Assault and CR-T are the best all-arounders of the game.
I play bruiser and im last total 0 chance against anyone
***I'm actually better with Bruiser than I am with Assault. Hawken isn't all about getting the last kill in. Sometimes you want to do something a bit different. Hellfires are good at being annoying, and make fighting A-Classes a bit more tolerable if you can keep your distance. Also, try to get the Sub-Machine Cannon ASAP. The startup of the Vulcan isn't too great. If it was like the Incin PPA/M4MA start ups, where you could pre-wind up the barrel, it would be more useful. For Vulcan, it's not the case an it has to start up every time you shoot. It's good up close but SMC is more general purpose and, paired with Hellfires, easier to use.
And when u mentioned predator i remembered situation that completely slapped me in a face with pure idiocy. To start of imho even in games player should maintain at least a litle integrity and honor. And predator and sharpshooter are imho noob clases. Doing efortless kills with no danger for urself waiting for lasthits like biggest "put there waht u prefer".
***Predator is one of the harder classes to use correctly, especially with the EOC Repeater. It's a stealth machine, and can set traps. Anyone can just farm out weak enemies for easy kills.
As for SS... I will not speak for snipers, even if I prefer Reaper over SS.
And this is why. Yeasterday i joined a game on siege mode. The moment i joined my base had 400 hp enemy had 3000 hp and they had ship on and aa controled. There was one guy in my team playing sharpshooter who after i dont know how many minutes of gameplay hes score was 9kills 0 deaths. During the time when i played whole team was trying to capture AA but they were 6 there and we was allways overwhelmed.
Then after the game ended he wrote something like "gg this meganoob team". My score at the end was 8 kills 3 asists 6 deaths. His score was 10 kills 0 asists 0 deaths. And enemy team was like "yeah you are pro" and "you are my hero" and stuff like that. What made me really rage bcz he was the one who made the team loose. Bcz he was not doing the objective. He was just avoiding all fight unless enemy was 1hit.
So i told him my opinion and he started to be like "im pro you are nothing, i wont listen to some random fuzzy bunny" and i told him something like "u just made ur team loose the game, if you care only about the score you should go play cod" then he overspamed whole chats with instults and arguments like "im pro". "0 deats"
Then another game started. This time he was in enemy team. I gone to collect EU fighted and killed 2 guys and was runing to base with 120 armor to put EU to base. He killed me with predator and then disapeared. He didnt even take the 250 EU i had. He wrote somethink like "now you see im pro" "that was pro kill" and he did like 0 objective whatsoever. We won that game 3000 to 0 since he was enemey and we alwayw overwhelmed enemy at AA. Hes score was 7kills 0 asists 1 deaths. The game took like 20 minutes to play but he did nothing at all. Yet he was still "Pro" to some players and to himself. I could not stop laugh at him. But pity everyone who has so called "PRO" like this in team.'
***No matter what, if you play an online multiplayer game you'll see your fair share of jerks.
And its also pity that players prefer that stupid anoying TDM mode
over those epic siege and rocket assault :'-(
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bcz now i have to play on american servers with 250 ping during night
***TDM has it's place. As to Siege and MA. Also, TDM is less frustrating.
Dont agree with u at all. Tdm is the most frustrating anoying fuzzy bunny crapmode there is. Since its be homo to win.
Edited by Greennovis, 11 May 2015 - 04:49 PM.
We can disagree on whether or not one likes it, but it's not crap.
And, personally, I've had more issues in Siege than anything else.
Everytime i play TDM today im first in my team having like 5x score of second of my team still having 0,5 of enemy 3rd player. So much balance.
Edited by Greennovis, 11 May 2015 - 04:55 PM.
I've played a number of TDM matches and they've ranged from stompings to close games. I can say the same for Siege and MA. There isn't any balance issues with TDM as a mode. Other things, sure, but TDM is fine, and has its place. Again, if you don't like it, fine. Nothing wrong with that. But it's not a bad mode nor is there anything wrong with the mode.
I wasn't aware of the srd command. First match I check it in is a variance of 1450 all the way up to 2700. what new player isn't going to be upset getting smashed by someone at 2700. I'm pretty sure I know who the 2700 player was as he smashes my face on a regular basis but I do love getting the kill on him. Still, how is it even possible for him to play with me who is typically 1700 ish mmr.
To the op, the # 1 thing that I've learned reading the forums is don't boost when you don't have to and don't shoot at targets far away where you're only going to barely nick their health unless it'll possibly score a kill. You'll get more points sneaking up on someone and landing a tow and dying because you showed on radar trying to get as much credit as possible on assists. If you land the tow, someone else will be much more interested in your target.
what new player isn't going to be upset getting smashed by someone at 2700.
A champ.
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