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Hello All,

 

I have been playing Hawken for really long time now, although was on long hiatus and have come back for the time being. I was searching for streams on YouTube when I came across this gem:

 

 

 

I look at this video and wonder what Hawken could have really been. This game had so much potential and promise that was run into the ground. I think there may be some people (including me) who are still hanging to this pipe dream that never came true, although we know it is just that: a pipe dream.  :ermm:

 

I am not here to discuss failures or put blame. I know there was a thread in old forums that had old footage of gameplay. I would encourage people to post any alpha or closed beta gameplay. I bet many would appreciate it.

 

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You miss the past. Ok. But we can`t change anything right now. Work with what you got available or just leave it all alone.


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I am not here to discuss failures or put blame. I know there was a thread in old forums that had old footage of gameplay. I would encourage people to post any alpha or closed beta gameplay. I bet many would appreciate it.

 

There's threads now that, like this one, boils down to "Remember old Hawken and how much different/better it was?" Personally, it's kinda annoying.


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Now listen here, you old fart. The game has changed, we know. But it is what it is, and whining on a forum thread won't change it. So you're left with two options. Either shut your pie hole and get with the times, or shut your pie hole and get the fuzz out.

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I to wish the devs fix what we have now and I also like watching the old vids. A little harsh guys, lighten up. Welcome back Dandy. (If you didn't like what he had to say perhaps a Meh would have sufficed. Just saying)

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Now listen here, you old fart.

 

DandyFreddy <- this guy are Newbie. Actually he is not first who came in hawken, than go on forum and make similar thread. (even if he play in closed-beta, and return after 1-2 years)

sad, but true.

 

 

and whining on a forum thread won't change it.

 

yep. but every time when regular newbie create such thread, he is don't know about it :D


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what sounds familiar to me is the last weekly update now... not the OP's alias; IIRC..


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Yeah, a lot of people have fond memories of the (old, original version of Hawken) But ADH is long gone and during their time went in so many different directions that it's impossible for the new dev team to go back there even if they want to.

 

It's their job now to try and get Hawken working correctly first, then once they have a solid team in place move forward in the direction they think is best for Hawken to survive and grow.

 

I agree the old Hawken, when first released at E3 and in alpha thru closed betas, was exciting, fresh and really made people's toes tingle....remember those moments but it's time to move on with a new and hopefully better version Hawken.  :smile:

 

 

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Do we smell a smurf!

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And here we go!

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I keep hearing more and more reminiscing of this sort. I don't miss the motion-sickness inducing cockpits of yore, but a return to the old speeds might be a step in the right direction.



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duuuuuuude someone post screen shots or videos from alpha omggggggggggggggggg. argh i regret never doing any of that. screw the NDA theres no way that can still even be enforced considering the orignal companies are gone now


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Do we smell a smurf!

No way!

 

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This is a topic I so badly wanna see a discussion about but know will end up so badly also...


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I get the feeling you are being sarcastic.

 

But if you look again, you'll notice that this user has a CR-T and not an assault which means he could of played before the ascension reset and never returned after the huge ascension reset (which is why you see small numbers).  There were also other resets during the closed betas, but for sure this player played before Reloaded started making the assaults default, so if you were trying to say he's a smurf thats only played/joined recently, you couldn't be more incorrect.


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I get the feeling you are being sarcastic.

 

But if you look again, you'll notice that this user has a CR-T and not an assault which means he could of played before the ascension reset and never returned after the huge ascension reset (which is why you see small numbers).  There were also other resets during the closed betas, but for sure this player played before Reloaded started making the assaults default, so if you were trying to say he's a smurf thats only played/joined recently, you couldn't be more incorrect.

I have ~4 smurfs that still have the original CRT, and one of which I've only put in like 2 hours on.


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This is a topic I so badly wanna see a discussion about but know will end up so badly also...

****, THERES BEEN A THOUSAND ******* CONVERSATIONS ON THIS ******* TOPIC AND I CAN'T ******* BELIEVE YOU ******* WANT TO ******* START A ******* NEW ONE ON ******* IT. GOD **** I ****** ******** **** ********* FOR ******* SAKES.  :tongue:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just say Fuzzy Bunny and move on is going to be my new response to these threads, have written my normal response of agreement and nostalgia enough times as it is....  :teehee: (Yes like many vets I miss the old old old Hawken, but I know its not going to come back)


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I to wish the devs fix what we have now and I also like watching the old vids. A little harsh guys, lighten up. Welcome back Dandy. (If you didn't like what he had to say perhaps a Meh would have sufficed. Just saying)

 

I did basically that. I said there are threads that already did the same thing as this and that it's kinda annoying.



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I keep hearing more and more reminiscing of this sort. I don't miss the motion-sickness inducing cockpits of yore, but a return to the old speeds might be a step in the right direction.

 

Maybe not that slow, but slower than it is right now. Run and gun teaches bad habits, gives advantage to the "twitchy" people, takes the strategy out of the game almost completely. Medium fast, time to think before you commit, better spawns (like less than 1 tank of fuel to your nearest friendly in TDM) is where I'd like to see Hawken go IMHO


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I have ~4 smurfs that still have the original CRT, and one of which I've only put in like 2 hours on.

 

Obviously you missed my point.

 

Also, time played has nothing to do with being a smurf or not, so please don't try to use that as some sort of proof.  I have no idea why you even felt it was relevant to the conversation.

 

 

There were also other resets during the closed betas, but for sure this player played before Reloaded started making the assaults default, so if you were trying to say he's a smurf thats only played/joined recently, you couldn't be more incorrect.

 

Just like in your example you provided, the accounts that contain a CR-T were created BEFORE Reloaded changed things, so that is the only thing that can be determined.  Determining if its a smurf or not is inconclusive based on the information given, its as simple as that.  So unless someone has some better proof than whats been provided, its impossible to conclude.


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Riveting.



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Obviously you missed my point.

 

Also, time played has nothing to do with being a smurf or not, so please don't try to use that as some sort of proof.  I have no idea why you even felt it was relevant to the conversation.

 

 

Dear lord who pissed in your cereal? 

 

Time played: if low; one mech

 

 Anyone who was around before the assault became the default mech could have a smurf account with just a CRT.

 

I'm not saying he is, I'm just saying that what you said "couldn't be more incorrect."

 

It's just a statement on a discussion occurring. Nothing more.


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If he played after the Ascension update, he would have at least gotten a freebie for at least earning pilot level three.

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Dear lord who pissed in your cereal? 

 

Time played: if low; one mech

 

 Anyone who was around before the assault became the default mech could have a smurf account with just a CRT.

 

I'm not saying he is, I'm just saying that what you said "couldn't be more incorrect."

 

Nobody pissed in my fuzzy bunnyng cereal, quit reading your own prior bull fuzzy bunny into my posts and making them more than they are.

 

 

His total time played is UNKNOWN, and you cannot prove otherwise with the information given.  He could of had hundreds of hours in the Alpha and Closed Betas.  Just because he only has one mech, does not mean that he didn't have a full account of mechs before the Open Beta reset to everyones account.

 

He could of left the game after Closed Beta, and only started to play a few rounds recently leading to the numbers you currently see.

 

But one things for sure, he didn't create this account recently as others have assumed and I have proven.


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I think SS's assessment is correct: could be an old smurf, but we don't know.  What we do know is that the account's old enough to have been given a CR-T rather than an Assault.

 

The other things that are clear include:

 

1) This is a tired topic.  Focusing on massive gameplay shifts would be a terrible move for Reloaded, especially when the current game (imo) requires only some numerical balance tweaks.  This game is not Alpha Hawken.  Alpha Hawken wasn't even particularly great, and ppl complained about it all the time.  What we have currently is Hawken.  Get over it.

 

2) It's unsurprising that the community (who enjoys this version of Hawken) responds with some hostility (and let's face it, compared to most online forums, this response is utterly innocuous) when someone suggests that current gameplay compares unfavourably to Hawken's alpha- and early-beta- iterations.

 

3) Whether someone's account is a smurf or not is a stupid thing to argue about.  Dude has a single post and an hour or two of playtime.  He's obviously not involved with this game or its community.


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Dude has a single post and an hour or two of playtime.  He's obviously not involved with this game or its community.

 

Everything was fine with your post until you edited your post and made the same mistake as the others.  His current post count doesn't mean much other than his activity on this forum since Reloaded took over.  He's here posting isn't he?  Isn't that being part of the community?

 

 I know there was a thread in old forums that had old footage of gameplay.

 

He mentions here that he at least read one thread on the old forums.

 

So yeah, one post isn't that much of a contribution to the community currently, but how active was he on the old forums?  Or in that thread he mentions?  What is his total post count on the old forums?  How active was he early on in the Alpha, or Closed Beta phases of Hawken?  Shrug.


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Riveting.

Point taken. However, as someone who never played anywhere close to that time, that was, in actual fact, riveting. 

 

 

 

BTW, if you're tired of this conversation topic, stop commenting on these threads. Don't bump if you don't want.


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duuuuuuude someone post screen shots or videos from alpha omggggggggggggggggg. argh i regret never doing any of that. screw the NDA theres no way that can still even be enforced considering the orignal companies are gone now


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Everything was fine with your post until you edited your post and made the same mistake as the others. 

Everything's still fine in my books.



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I think we really gotta get to the bottom of this "smurf or not" mystery to really gauge the validity of this mans post.

 

Clue number 1: The name. DandyFreddy.

 

Think about Dandy. Did you figure it out? That's right "dandelion". The dandelion was the crest emblem of house Pantelones. House Pantelones was danish royalty way back in 1450BC. House Pantelones was well known for both always repaying their debts, and blaming farts on others constantly. It's clear that this DandyFreddy fellow may feel he has some sort of "debt" to repay, a vendetta of sorts.

 

Now lets look at Freddy. This may be a chilling, however necessary, reveal. Freddy Krueger. Freddy Krueger was the bad guy from goosebumps who was drowned in a lake after fighting his boyfriend for a very shiny ring. His notorious catch phrase, "Heeeeerrrreeee's FREDDY!" indicates that he's coming for you!

 

We can easily assume FreddyDandy has been playing hawken every day since closed alpha 1. Some where along the line the devs burned him, they burned him hard. He's back for revenge now, but not before stirring up some forum drama first. Whether as some sort of distraction, or just because he loves the chaos, is unclear.


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Guys, the old Hawken is gone. She is gone. Time to move on.


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****, THERES BEEN A THOUSAND ******* CONVERSATIONS ON THIS ******* TOPIC AND I CAN'T ******* BELIEVE YOU ******* WANT TO ******* START A ******* NEW ONE ON ******* IT. GOD **** I ****** ******** **** ********* FOR ******* SAKES.  :tongue:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just say Fuzzy Bunny and move on is going to be my new response to these threads, have written my normal response of agreement and nostalgia enough times as it is....  :teehee: (Yes like many vets I miss the old old old Hawken, but I know its not going to come back)

Wut, no no no no no, you took me out of context I believe.

 

What I meant, was a discussion about this community`s "friendliness". All this nostalgia thingy is just plain boring. We get it, you liked the old days (even if many of you didnt even play it back then), but you can`t get all you want. Move on.


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I remember when I started playing Hawken that my mech had to walk uphill, both ways, in 4 feet of snow to get to the AA...

 

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Wut, no no no no no, you took me out of context I believe.

 

What I meant, was a discussion about this community`s "friendliness". All this nostalgia thingy is just plain boring. We get it, you liked the old days (even if many of you didnt even play it back then), but you can`t get all you want. Move on.

No no, the top part was a response to a having a discussion on the friendliness of the the community, and so I responded in bit of satire and irony as usually I'm very laid back and cracking a (terrible) joke or two on these forums. There have been no discussions on it that I can think of as historically this community has been mostly one of the nicer ones I've been in.

 

The bottom part was a response to this thread which there have been many like it throughout these forums. I know what you were saying mate.  :smile:


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I remember when I started playing Hawken that my mech had to walk uphill, both ways, in 4 feet of snow to get to the AA...

 

:rolleyes:

And when I got there, I was the only one!  :tongue:


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Riveting.

 

This makes me remember how much I miss the older sound design where distance affected what you heard. It was a nice extra touch of immersion that I really wish ADH hadn't done away with.

 

That and the visual atmosphere are really the only things I miss about the "old" Hawken. Gameplay-wise what we have now is better balanced and more exciting to play and watch IMHO.


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