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Isn't Off-Topic the "fool around" forum? I mean, I'm sure the bulk of us are having fun on the forums but...

 

wait, no, we're not having enough fun. We can only have the proper amount of raunchy fun in this +18 forum. Kids not allowed. Groll can have hisher kiddie pool where we can have more real-er fun with racy issues! Grammer be dammed, paarrrtay!!

 

 

 

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Now do you have any good reason wlfor not having a 18+/mature section? Does not even have to be age restricted, just like in twitch "the streamer warns blah blah for mature audiences".

There is no good reason why we should not have this section. You can not be rude or whatever on this forum since the majority is very too sensitive and weak for that...

People who don't want to join don't have to, it is easy as that.

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Now do you have any good reason wlfor not having a 18+/mature section?

 

How about you provide a good reason for us to have such a section? 

 

 

for sh1t talking, call outs, bashing, r rated links,taboo subjects

 

NONE of these are good ideas for any healthy respectful community, unless, of course, it's one for tactless teens with raging hormones. Why do you think they are banned everywhere in the first place? And I can assure you it's not to create a carebear's castle for the kiddos.


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Now do you have any good reason wlfor not having a 18+/mature section? Does not even have to be age restricted, just like in twitch "the streamer warns blah blah for mature audiences".

There is no good reason why we should not have this section. You can not be rude or whatever on this forum since the majority is very too sensitive and weak for that...

People who don't want to join don't have to, it is easy as that.

Will it serve the community any positive reactions? No.

 

If you wanna talk with somebody about "18+" stuff, add them on steam or Skype or whatever and chat.


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How about you provide a good reason for us to have such a section?

Yea, the ones who rage and who you do not like can have their fun without these who ruin it with behavior proposals.

You know, respectfull sh!t and stuff like that might be ruining the fun for others, as stupid as it sounds.
It is so damn annoying to always watch the damn fuzzy bunnyn' language because weak babies might start to cry.

An 18+ forum would provide some freedom regarding the treatment with others and would be faaaaaar more relaxed for those who want that.

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You know, respectfull sh!t and stuff like that might be ruining the fun for others, as stupid as it sounds.

 

Yes, that is pretty stupid. In the end of the day, you can't please everyone, some men just want to watch the world burn and it's not our job to sate their desires.

 

 

An 18+ forum would provide some freedom regarding the treatment with others and would be faaaaaar more relaxed for those who want that.

 

If someone seriously cannot cope and relax with behaving like a respectful individual on a public forum, then they most assuredly cannot be trusted with the level of freedom you are suggesting. Lock them up and throw away the keys, mankind ill-needs a savour people such as you them!


Edited by reVelske, 08 June 2015 - 11:47 PM.

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You are free to browse 4chan if you want to troll and be disrespectful.
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for sh1t talking, call outs, bashing, r rated links,taboo subjects

 

Uhhhhhhhh....

 

You sure that this shouldn't be called the 13-16 forum section, because that'd be more closer.

 

And yes, I can understand if people find this fun, but seriously there's YouTube, twitter, Facebook, and all the other social-media sites out there, add that on with "the rest of the internet" and I think that would be enough. Besides, this community's maturity is why I keep talking on this forum.

 

So no.


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I literally do not understand what the function of this proposed forum would be. You do realize that if you're put off by people telling you that your behavior is out of line, then creating a subforum where people can openly curse, flame, and be disrespectful isn't going to solve anything. You're just going to be told your behavior is out of line in a much less coherent manner. These rules aren't in place to protect those of us with some courtesy from your mean words, they're there to protect you from drowning in your own nonsense. It's people who have a hard time not being rude that react so sorely to people being rude to them. Everyone else kind of collectively goes "lolok" and maybe someone will step in and attempt to illustrate what exactly is going on.

I'm envisioning a thread in this forum that's entirely composed of "No ur gey!", "Nuh uh! U r!" "No u!" Except all participants are a completely serious group of twelve year olds practically wetting themselves in anger and pre teen angst while pretending to be adults on the internet.

Yes. I am for it. Let me just invest into Orville Redenbacher's stock.

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You are free to browse 4chan if you want to troll and be disrespectful.

 

Sounds like a plan, go make a Hawken thread in /v/ and go nuts.


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for sh1t talking, call outs, bashing, r rated links,taboo subjects

 

18+ ? UUuuuuuuuh nope.

Look like discussions of some brainless teens in my highschool.

 

This is a really bad idea, if you don't want to see the average maturity of threads in this forum decrease as hell.


Edited by NRgyk64, 09 June 2015 - 03:19 AM.


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Yes, that is pretty stupid. In the end of the day, you can't please everyone, some men just want to watch the world burn and it's not our job to sate their desires.

 

 

 

If someone seriously cannot cope and relax with behaving like a respectful individual on a public forum, then they most assuredly cannot be trusted with the level of freedom you are suggesting. Lock them up and throw away the keys, mankind ill-needs a savour people such as you them!

 

We don't want to see the world burning, lolz. It is just a place with a different atmosphere most of the community members apparently can not handle. Noone forces anyone to go there, so what is your problem at all? As far as I can tell, you would not take a look into the 18+ forum as you seem clearly against it. 

 

 

The locking part made me laugh, seriously haha. Like, who are you thinking to be to have the power to do that? You are just one community member, just one individual like everyone else here without any kind of mentionable power. 

The locking, I interpret it as muting them. In fact, you can not lock them, but you can lock yourself out and throw the keys away so you don't get affected by the one you dislike. 

 

 

 

Once again, I don't get any good reason for not having this forum section, it doesn't have to be something that actually is about Hawken, place it in the mess hall, this isn't about constructive Hawken related stuff, it is about drugs, s€x and rock n' roll, for those who don't want that, they simply don't take it but why denying this for those who want that? It doesn't harm anyone :]


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I don't get why one should promote destructive behavior, whether in real life or online. Doesn't make any sense at all.
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I don't get why one should promote destructive behavior, whether in real life or online. Doesn't make any sense at all.

 

Giving a place where this 'behavior' (I still don't get it why everyone makes a drama out of behavior while behavior is unimportant) is tolerated would take the unwanted bad behavior away from those who want this warmish atmosphere and stuff like that. 

 

I mean, the people complaining about this behavior are now the ones who are AGAINSt this solution, which basically makes (once more) no sense.


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We don't want to see the world burning, lolz.

 

Hyperbole. Point remains, not EVERYONE's needs should be sated, especially if it's one of the minorities and is in direct contrast to the norms.

 

Noone forces anyone to go there, so what is your problem at all?

 

Its mere presence will be enough to lower the perceived quality and integrity of the forum as a whole.

 

The locking part made me laugh, seriously haha. Like, who are you thinking to be to have the power to do that? You are just one community member, just one individual like everyone else here without any kind of mentionable power. 

 

You bloody kidding me, right?

 

Your interpretation skills are beyond shocking.

 

Either way, the listed behaviours have NO PLACE on a respectful discussion board, EVER, ANYWHERE. Tucking in its separate section makes NO difference. Which part of "THAT fuzzy bunny IS BAD AND WE DON'T NEED IT HERE" don't you bloody understand!?


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My answer to this thread is: You have the rest of the internet if you want to swear like crazy, talk about R-Rated stuff and then swear some more, go to the rest of the internet. While this is not a completely valid argument, this is a valid point and I don't care about how people think that people should have this section because there seriously is no point in it. Seriously, what do you want? To bypass the filter so you can see your swear words? As if the internet doesn't have enough of that. If you really need to hear swear words, go on Youtube and look up scary video game reactions.

 

My question is: Why hasn't anyone commented about this being in General Discussion rather than Suggestions or Off-Topic?


Edited by Dawn_of_Ash, 09 June 2015 - 05:57 AM.

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Can't believe this is still going on


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Yes you can devide the forums up. I mean, you are complaining about what you think is bad behavior and someone mlstated a good solution to that 'problem' which is creating a place where these pltroublemakers can have their fun. It is free for all and noone forces you to go there.

No this would not affect the forum as a whole. That is the point of this section, we devide the actual forum with the 18+ section. Just like we devided the actual forum and the off-topic or spam section. A place where everyone can fool around and where some forum rules are ignored.

In addition, respect has to be deserved. For some, respect is desverved in different ways.

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Giving a place where this 'behavior' (I still don't get it why everyone makes a drama out of behavior while behavior is unimportant) is tolerated would take the unwanted bad behavior away from those who want this warmish atmosphere and stuff like that.

I mean, the people complaining about this behavior are now the ones who are AGAINSt this solution, which basically makes (once more) no sense.

You have the rest of the Internet to be a fuzzy bunny to everyone else. Your reason still doesn't hold weight. Bad behavior should be tolerated as long as it is regulated and restricted? So crime should be allowed as long as their is a daily quota to be fulfilled? Do you know how silly you sound? Try growing up. Being an adult doesn't mean you should have free will to do what you please just because you're a certain age.

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Yes you can devide the forums up. I mean, you are complaining about what you think is bad behavior and someone mlstated a good solution to that 'problem' which is creating a place where these pltroublemakers can have their fun. It is free for all and noone forces you to go there.

 

It's NOT what I think is bad behaviour, these ARE bad behaviours by NORM. What you are suggesting is not a solution to anything! None of the suggested "activities" NEED to be on the board or benefit the overall enjoyability of the board in any way shape or form. It's like asking to your company to add a new room in the office specifically for people to sate their urge of needing to masturbate! OH IT TOTALLY DOESN'T AFFECT EVERYONE ELSE OR THE COMPANY AS A WHOLE AND IT SOLVES A PROBLEM ONLY THE MOST MENTALLY CHALLENGED PEOPLE WILL HAVE, ISN'T IT WONDERFUL? NOBODY IS FORCED TO GO IN THERE!

 

(and no, bugger off with "blahblah it's strawman", I fuzzy bunnyng love strawman)

 

 

No this would not affect the forum as a whole. That is the point of this section, we devide the actual forum with the 18+ section. Just like we devided the actual forum and the off-topic or spam section. A place where everyone can fool around and where some forum rules are ignored.

 

You are delusional. 

 

I swear to god I'm going to die one day by trying to argue with the insane.


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So, here is, from what I've read and gathered, as well as my opinions, a simple list why an +18 forum area shouldn't be here. Just so we're clear.

 

1) Promotes "controlled" bad behavior and discussions, not lessens it. There is a difference between saying "We don't want you to be a prick so don't be a prick" and "We don't want you to be a prick so only do it in this one specific forum area" for example.

 

2) Is kind of redundant given that Off-Topic exists as an almost-anything-goes/Not-related-to-hawken forum.

 

3) The existence forum area such as this might lead to some negative implications of the forum as a whole and/or it's community.

 

4) Given the potential topics, could hardly be called an "adult" area.

 

5) There's a myriad of other avenues to have such talk on the internet.

 

6) May cause a rift in the community because of what'll happen there, which would, eventually, spill out at some point.

 

Did I cover everything?


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No, or very few ruled forum communities with a pos/neg rep system have a way of self policing and sorting out a lot of people who in other, more strict forums never seem to get sorted out when communities are gimped by restrictions of decorum.

 

And it's a great deal of fun.

 

I think the irc chat is more like that sort of thing. 


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Yet another point of view: this forum was provided to us by the current devs so that we could discuss hawken, so that we may have a mutual point of contact with those of us who enjoy the game profusely. For the most part, you can do anything hawken related in this forum. If I wanted to call someone out, I will PM them. If I wanted to share my midget porn collection with someone. I will PM them a link to somewhere *outside* of this forum.

I have posted stupidity before. I did it for a laugh, or to share a point of view that I found funny or just plain wrong. I have made a fool of myself. And all of the time that I did this, it was with the game and its players in mind.

Everything that OP wants to do with a restricted forum section can be done with other tools provided inside of this forum, well out of plain sight of the community as a whole.

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 to share my midget porn collection with someone. I will PM them a link to somewhere *outside* of this forum.
 

 

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Yet another point of view: this forum was provided to us by the current devs so that we could discuss hawken, so that we may have a mutual point of contact with those of us who enjoy the game profusely. For the most part, you can do anything hawken related in this forum. If I wanted to call someone out, I will PM them. If I wanted to share my midget porn collection with someone. I will PM them a link to somewhere *outside* of this forum.
 

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It's NOT what I think is bad behaviour, these ARE bad behaviours by NORM. What you are suggesting is not a solution to anything! None of the suggested "activities" NEED to be on the board or benefit the overall enjoyability of the board in any way shape or form. It's like asking to your company to add a new room in the office specifically for people to sate their urge of needing to masturbate! OH IT TOTALLY DOESN'T AFFECT EVERYONE ELSE OR THE COMPANY AS A WHOLE AND IT SOLVES A PROBLEM ONLY THE MOST MENTALLY CHALLENGED PEOPLE WILL HAVE, ISN'T IT WONDERFUL? NOBODY IS FORCED TO GO IN THERE!

 

 

 

 

Stop caps lock pls.

 

It seems like you are more in the need of having an 18+ section than I do, lolz. You are clearly unable to write like a common user. 

Your want-to-be-sarcasm is boring btw.

 

 

 

Let's conclude: 

 

- There is no real reason for not having an 18+ forum section. 

- You are already annoyed by its presence (and apparently byt he idea itself as well). This is what I consider as weak.

- You write in caps lock. ._.

 

 

Where did we go? Nowhere lol. We are still at the beginning. 

 

@Everyone else: So. A forum section that is invisible for those who do not want to get in contact with it, is like not having this section at all. The problem with the PM stuff is that it is unlikely to reach a major audience, especially the targeted one. 

For example, if I want to share some weird stuff over a PM, I am not sure wheather he/she will like it, especially when it is against the unwritten (and unimportant) rules. 

 

The forum section would filter the audience. Actually, the audience/communtiy would filter the audience. 


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Shtuff

Honesty I get why he is angry because as you should have noticed by now, we do not support the idea. End of discussion.


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No, or very few ruled forum communities with a pos/neg rep system have a way of self policing and sorting out a lot of people who in other, more strict forums never seem to get sorted out when communities are gimped by restrictions of decorum.

And it's a great deal of fun.

I think the irc chat is more like that sort of thing.


Please note irc does have a set of rules, so most of what was proposed in this thread is not allowed there either.
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Please note irc does have a set of rules, so most of what was proposed in this thread is not allowed there either.

 

I'm telling people there are no rules there


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I'm telling people there are no rules there

There are rules, however you need to go pretty rough to work to get kicked,

 

(I never said that, so shush)


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There are rules, however you need to go pretty rough to work to get kicked,
 
(I never said that, so shush)

Nonsense. All you have to do is tell people that you're ThirdEyE.

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Let's conclude: 

 

- There is no real reason for not having an 18+ forum section. 

 

If this doesn't prove that we're wasting our time, I don't know what does.  The man completely ignores anything he doesn't agree with and consistently goes into any thread, even a thread about being nice to new people (from a month or so ago) and is contrary.  I think he lives to be persecuted or to needle others.

 

The balance between entertainment missed and frustration gained is damn hard to pull off with that mute button.


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There's no real reason why it's not alright to do an overwhelmingly negative thing? OK, FakeName all your credibility out the door, right.

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For a second I thought I'd landed on /b

 

But in the meantime, you must answer this to post here:

 

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Really though, this topic?   :rolleyes:


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Well okey, we see that an 18+ forum is not wanted for whatever reasons.

As a result, we will let our minds float into the normal forums. We will express ourselves in the way we want to, wheather you like it or not.

You don't want an 18+ forum, I can live with that as long as noone whines about 18+ treatment in the regular forums.
And in addition, when not breaking the rules, then no critique is worth at all.

I have the feeling that the community wants to fulfill a task that is obviously impossible.


My last sentence regareing this whole topic: If we can't fool around in an 18+ forum, we will obviously do it in the regular forum as a result, but we won't adapt nor will we or this 'intensively negative behavior' (gosh that tastes disgusting even when you think about it) disappear.

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it'd be totally positive but for all the wrong reasons

 

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Well okey, we see that an 18+ forum is not wanted for whatever reasons.

 

Yes, de-legitimize legitimate arguments against such a forum by saying "whatever reasons". 

You don't want an 18+ forum, I can live with that as long as noone whines about 18+ treatment in the regular forums.
And in addition, when not breaking the rules, then no critique is worth at all.

 

What is "+18 Treatment"?

I have the feeling that the community wants to fulfill a task that is obviously impossible.

 

What is this task? To have a Hawken community forum where people, within reason, discuss mostly Hawken stuff? Seems to be doing fairly fine. It's not perfect, but it's doing fine.


My last sentence regareing this whole topic: If we can't fool around in an 18+ forum, we will obviously do it in the regular forum as a result,

 

 



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For a second I thought I'd landed on /b

 

 

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