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''Pay2win'' and ''only online'' worries...
Maybe a single player mode campaign?
Heck I've asked a friend who's more of a console player and he was like
"Wait what? They want to lunch without a campaign mode like most other fps have? At least Titanfall 2 understood that."

And another:
"Dude no story mode? This is just like all the new games that fail because they feel incomplete especially for consoles which aren't as competitive as PC games."

 

Spoiler

 

 

This is exactly why I was comparing hawken to triple A games because people just expect it to be and if it's not as ''good'' as triple A games they'll just go play the other game...Some actually think Hawken is a ripoff of titanfall. That's how much hawken was in the shadows of triple A games...

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Talking about VR...

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Basically, these new console players already have worries and in the same time hope.
Now's the time to play your cards right RLD



Just my 2 cents
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Edit: Theses comments are from playstation blog: http://blog.us.plays...-july-8-on-ps4/


Edited by Luaq, 29 June 2016 - 11:48 PM.

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100% agree, that devs should explain some moment for players (and increase their interest level maybe), but... 

Oh look its titanHawk

 

...they just a console-peasants.


also,

Dude no story mode?

 

hawken not for nubs who play in "movie-games" on PS4, and you know it. 
they can ask about multiplayer in tetris with the same success... =/

i'm trying to say that people like this never be a hawken target audience or spent money on this.


Edited by nepacaka, 29 June 2016 - 11:20 AM.

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Kompotka 3000. 2D ha?ken game: https://community.pl...ve/?hl=kompotka

Interceptor, B-Class mech concept: https://community.pl...itdefence-mech/

Challenger, C-Class mech concept: https://community.pl...ccepted-thread/

G2-Brawler, C-class mech concept: https://community.pl...pacaka-is-here/

Kinetik, B-class mech concept: https://community.pl...ass-shotgunner/

Melter, A-class mech concept: https://community.pl...-class-support/


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Yeah I know but if RLD wants to target console players... either they target them for real or not...

 

Though in the end they could. In my point of view, with hawken's fragile state, they should do whatever it takes to get as much players as possible really...And for that they need to target the big majority of casual players and give them the content they know the majority likes.

(They should just make the best game possible for the the big majority of console players. ((casual players who like story-game-movies)) )

 

Unless they just wanna leach on some micro transactions for a while. Like Just a simple business plan you know.
Some actually ask for a "Complete pack" while the game isn't even out yet.

But hey... people might* just love it anyways... for a while... until they feel they've somehow played enough matches.

Having clan support and emblems custom paint jobs would help this game so much. Character Customization if what keep people coming back. It's like playing lego or whatever. You can always create and change the looks.

At least they're putting back the in-game VOIP feature!


Edited by Luaq, 29 June 2016 - 12:01 PM.

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they should do whatever

 

i've see some console vids, and it is obviously, consoles should have aim-assist. (because player which look at his feet in fight look so cute ^_^)
those guys can't play in hawken. that all what devs should add in console-hwken if they want some "success"

also, players who love "story-line" and "solo mode" probably useless for hawken. they not increase player base at all.


Edited by nepacaka, 29 June 2016 - 12:08 PM.

Kompotka 3000. 2D ha?ken game: https://community.pl...ve/?hl=kompotka

Interceptor, B-Class mech concept: https://community.pl...itdefence-mech/

Challenger, C-Class mech concept: https://community.pl...ccepted-thread/

G2-Brawler, C-class mech concept: https://community.pl...pacaka-is-here/

Kinetik, B-class mech concept: https://community.pl...ass-shotgunner/

Melter, A-class mech concept: https://community.pl...-class-support/


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I'm always hesitant about aim-assist... they'll just never learn. Hard games are fun.

 

But yeah. I'm imagining some kind of lock-on when in close combat so people can dodge and perform better at dancing around the opponent while aiming which would be limited by the turn cap and have to re-lock-on. So it would be a battle of who keeps who in their sight. Which is pretty much what a fps is. It would just feel even more arcade. Oh I just realised I was imagining all this happening with a close third person view à la Metal Gear. And people would like that comparison. And it would seperate it from titanfall fps. If I'd erase my mind about what hawken is, I could love this arcade game. But that's just not how it is.

In the end It would feel much more as a mech console game.

Now my brain continues to imagine things and think that it could actually be cool if we could shoot at upcoming seeker missiles or nades. Such anime like. such movie. such console players happy. because awesome things happen.
 

 


also, players who love "story-line" and "solo mode" probably useless for hawken. they not increase player base at all.

Meeehh I agree and disagree. the more player who play, even if they are not important, they will still act as publicity and it will just get more people in general to play the game.

Just think:

"sugar...

more...

Give me MOOORE!"

(Men in black 1)

 

or

"Make me feel the pain again!
More!
More!
Ah that's right!
SNaaaake"
(Metal gear solid 1)


Edited by Luaq, 29 June 2016 - 12:22 PM.


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I also have a question myself and I'm sorry if it has been asked before, but I've been playing on PC for awhile now and was wondering if we can link our accounts to the console version and have all of our stuff, or do we have to start from scratch?



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i am not really sure why people feel the need for single player story mode if the game is intended to be a multiplayer game and vise versa. why do we need a multiplayer mass effect, tomb raider, or assassins creed. 


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Story mode would be bad assed to have though.
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There is no reason for us to try and cull or correct what any of our players think. They are entitled to have opinions and present feedback to the community much like anyone else is allowed to.

 

When they actually get in the game and start playing, they will be able to form their own opinions about the game. I think that is critical to have constructive feedback, no matter how larger-than-life their suggestions feel.


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 Meeehh I agree and disagree

 

it is all about how you present a game.
you look at hawkens pics, check some info in internet and you can read "hawken it is a mech-based multiplayer/online shooter", or something close to it.
and you understand that this is not a "solo-game". when i see hawken trailer long time ago, i know what i want from game and i know which sort of game i waiting in 12/12/12. and then get it. i mean, i know what hawken is really is from first video. it is easy.


Edited by nepacaka, 29 June 2016 - 01:40 PM.

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Kompotka 3000. 2D ha?ken game: https://community.pl...ve/?hl=kompotka

Interceptor, B-Class mech concept: https://community.pl...itdefence-mech/

Challenger, C-Class mech concept: https://community.pl...ccepted-thread/

G2-Brawler, C-class mech concept: https://community.pl...pacaka-is-here/

Kinetik, B-class mech concept: https://community.pl...ass-shotgunner/

Melter, A-class mech concept: https://community.pl...-class-support/


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Honestly I wouldn't worry about those guys. They sound about as green they come. Unless it's a jrpg with mecha and hot girls single player can bite it. I look forward to a mech fps and no aim assist.

Edit: I agree with CZeroFive. Once the game is out they can form a proper opinion. Plus it's a free game. Once they notice it's out people will download it reguardless because they have nothing to lose. Currently there's nothing like it on PS4.

Also pale3 no linked accounts from what I understand.

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Oh don't get me wrong haha, I was so happy when 12/12/12 came up. It was also my 24th birthday hahaha. (24/2= 12 omG! ) lol

The problem is, they are not us. They are console players. They usually expect more visual content like storylines and in game concept arts and other lore than just an arena fps.

 

There is no reason for us to try and cull or correct what any of our players think. They are entitled to have opinions and present feedback to the community much like anyone else is allowed to.

 

When they actually get in the game and start playing, they will be able to form their own opinions about the game. I think that is critical to have constructive feedback, no matter how larger-than-life their suggestions feel.

 

Of course I'm just saying a little guidance would help them understand what is hawken and not be mad at hawken for not being what they thought they understood because what they saw wasn't really informative. Can't blame them for asking questions. Are you not going to answer them and wonder why they might be disappointed afterwards?

Well maybe they are just trolls. but even then, they will confuse others. I like to minimize risks. To bet it all on "they'll download it and see for themselves" might just lose a bunch.

Though It's nothing new that game come out incomplete. Even Triple A games. In that sens hawken isn't quite bad indeed.
I can hope it will be a great launch but I prefer when I can say that I'm confident.


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There is no reason for us to try and cull or correct what any of our players think. They are entitled to have opinions and present feedback to the community much like anyone else is allowed to.
 
When they actually get in the game and start playing, they will be able to form their own opinions about the game. I think that is critical to have constructive feedback, no matter how larger-than-life their suggestions feel.


...but new pilots can be turned off starting by false comments.
Good PR would be to have a dev post up saying "Hey, its really not that way because you can buy a bundle or earn things over time, etc, etc"
It will prevent some people being turned away when they otherwise would have enjoyed if not for the comment.

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The comments quoted by the OP are from Facebook, right? I've seen a lot of response from RLD on the FB page, and answering some of these exact questions. I'm sure some of the forum changes that LadyTiggs referred to in this post include making spaces for the console conversations about these things. Where else should they post answers to these concerns? 


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There is no reason for us to try and cull or correct what any of our players think. They are entitled to have opinions and present feedback to the community much like anyone else is allowed to.

 

When they actually get in the game and start playing, they will be able to form their own opinions about the game. I think that is critical to have constructive feedback, no matter how larger-than-life their suggestions feel.

And this is the way it should be. :thumbsup:

However, I see no qualms in deleting the comments like "hello titanhawk", as those are just blind venomous insults that don't serve to criticize the game in any meaningful way.

 

If they want to avoid accusations of Pay2Win then don't do fuzz-bunnying vertical power progression. Keep the power gains from time and experience strictly horizontal like the current game.

If those G2 mechs are stronger than the G1's in any vertical sense (i.e., noticeably higher stat totals instead of just redistributed stats), then this "reboot" will be much more likely to crash and burn.


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It's always funny to me when PC people talk about console gamers as if they're a seperate entity of gamers. Take it from somebody who is both, we all generally want the same things to a certain degree.

Reading through the forums I get the feeling that people are upset at the filthy casual console players. It's because we have all been waiting all this time for some progress and we finally do get some but the consoles get love first.

I can see how people feel shafted. This is a very very good thing though. For Hawken and PS4/XBOX.

I really do think it's going to do well now, like said above me there is nothing like it on the console market. As many flaws as there are this is an exceptional game from a mechanics and game play standpoint. So fuzzy bunnyng good. It scratches every FPS itch I have and it should be given a chance by everyone looking for a top notch shooter.


Far as aim assist goes, I love that it is without it. When I first started Hawken in 2012 I used an Xbox controller for the first few months until I wizened up and switched to KBM. My MMR did go from the 1700 area to between 1850-2050 by the time I left. Point is though, it is definitely still fluid with a controller and I'm super interested to see how I can stack up to others with a controller.

My only complaint is the button layout. I had my boost set to left stick and my repair set to LB so I could look around while repairing. I tried many different set ups and that one was the most natural.
Hopefully they add in more options later.

That's all I got on it. More of a musing than anything. I'm really geeked for the future of my favorite FPS and I hope to see some of the old heads on the console battlefield. I can imagine the slaughter the vets will inflict on the rookie pilots when this drops. Beautiful slaughter.
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It's always funny to me when PC people talk about console gamers as if they're a seperate entity of gamers.
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I am happy to get console gamers. Hawken broadening to console seems logical to me.
I am hoping to see cross play. If Xployt can play PC with a Xbox Elite controller then I don' see why we can't play eachother.
I would be very afraid to come up against Xployt in game. I use a joystick because I enjoy it, despite it being considered inferior by keyboard warriors.

In fact Hawken release for Xbox is making me consider buying an Xbox. Then my boys could play some Hawken without me giving them a PC. So far they only play racing and adventure games on Wii. They've watched recordings of my games. Mech battles seems like a more acceptable way of exposing to team shooter without the gore.

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However, I see no qualms in deleting the comments like "hello titanhawk", as those are just blind venomous insults that don't serve to criticize the game in any meaningful way.

 

You might be chill with mods removing comments that don't criticize the game in a meaningful way, but the rest of us would consider that (1) to be a really vague criteria and (2) censorship.

 

Not that it's up to us what they do either way, but my vote is that the mods let everyone keep being as venomous and satirical as we please so long as it adheres to the forum rules.


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The comments quoted by the OP are from Facebook, right?

No they are from this:
http://blog.us.plays...-july-8-on-ps4/
 

 

 

It's always funny to me when PC people talk about console gamers as if they're a seperate entity of gamers. Take it from somebody who is both, we all generally want the same things to a certain degree.

Reading through the forums I get the feeling that people are upset at the filthy casual console players. It's because we have all been waiting all this time for some progress and we finally do get some but the consoles get love first.

I can see how people feel shafted. This is a very very good thing though. For Hawken and PS4/XBOX.

 

I am also a console player. I just know the majority of console-only players are like. Half of my friends are console-only players. The other half like me or more PC oriented. So I really know both worlds. I'm also actually glad that hawken will be released for consoles.

Please keep it as close to the OP topic which is about informing the console players so they don't get bad ideas of what it is and no i'm not talking about censorship like some suggest to delete comments: I just say that they can just answer them with informative comments just negating whatever they think they know about the game so everyone knows what it is or what it's not.
 


Edited by Luaq, 30 June 2016 - 08:46 AM.


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Best would be create cinematic launch trailer or short movie which get attention of all players on console and pc. more the publicity or avantrage for dev and players .Best Tactics has been established by OVERWATCH  for CENEMATIC Trailer .



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I'm a bit baffled to see which could very well be paraphrased as, "Let people think whatever they want" - however refreshing that feels to hear that on a personal level, I find that to be very dismissive, and a demeanor that comes across very telling of the game's outlook, but it is just a hunch.

 

Any confusion could easily be cleared up with guides or tutorials. In reality, the players who want Hawken to succeed aren't expecting good pr to clear any misuderstandings, however, since history is bound to repeat itself, it does sound like a decent last-ditch effort. Then again, it could inadvertently do damage, so maybe not.

 

Coming from regularly playing on console, I know plenty of players that have been willing to put up with a great game despite all of it's flaws, including myself, but I'm talking about games people payed for already. This, is another story. People aren't paying up-front for this game. This is a port, and clearly there hasn't been any new revelations about how people will, or should, receive Hawken.


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I'm a bit baffled to see which could very well be paraphrased as, "Let people think whatever they want" - however refreshing that feels to hear that on a personal level, I find that to be very dismissive, and a demeanor that comes across very telling of the game's outlook, but it is just a hunch.



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I think you're reading too much into this. Sometimes you have to tell the kids to fuzzy bunny up and sit down to get some peace and quite.
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I was getting started on minute long mech guide videos for beginners until the new info was dropped on us, so I'm waiting until our patch drops to make something if things are changing radically.
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I really do think a full on ad campaign is only gonna help once they actually get some content rolling out. Until then it just being in the free section of the stores will surely give it a boost in numbers.

I do understand what you are getting at OP. First impressions can crush a game for some people. You can't do anything to change their minds.

Personally I knew what the game was coming in when I started and managed my expectations accordingly. I did not expect a solo campaign and I always play a game first to judge whether or not it's P2W.

I am really hopeful that it will go over well. I think it will.

Smite is in another niche genre that traditionally produced garbage on consoles, and it is well received on both platforms. I know it's unfair to compare because Smites numbers were way higher to begin with. All I'm saying is there is no game like this on platforms and I think if people just pick it up and play it and make it over the learning curve, there is no way this game will fail....Unless they don't roll the content out....

They do have a long fuzzy bunnyng way to go though, for sure. It is gonna take more than just releasing variations of the same mechs. I'm excited to see some new innovative mechs like Predator and some new maps and maybe more unique game modes like Seige.


Oh and also a C class double heal beam Tech with a special that heals the whole team at once XD

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There is no reason for us to try and cull or correct what any of our players think. They are entitled to have opinions and present feedback to the community much like anyone else is allowed to.

When they actually get in the game and start playing, they will be able to form their own opinions about the game. I think that is critical to have constructive feedback, no matter how larger-than-life their suggestions feel.


Cool, that's why you're splitting the forums based on platform I assume
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Oh and also a C class double heal beam Tech with a special that heals the whole team at once XD

WHAT THE HELL HAhahaha! A C class tech get outtt!! :P
 

 

 

Cool, that's why you're splitting the forums based on platform I assume

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I'm gonna go nuts:

Spoiler

 

That's where "Howken" comes from right? hahaha. Seriously.
"A mix of titan fall and world of tanks"

 

 

 

GEttt OUTTT!

Edit (sorry for double post hehe)


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