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Hello people,

 

I'm aware the developers are still trying to figure out adhesive's code, but I thought this would be a good idea, wether or not it has been done before. So basically since I'm currently unaware of how to make polls (and there is probably too many answers to make on a single poll), post what you think would be a good idea to focus on once the devs are ready to go.

 

 

I'l start: 1.Rework bunker

               2. (I know they cant do this right away and it will take alot of work but I know everybody wants it) Un-do Acension


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What if we just give some bacon paint, some bacon holo-emotes and change Bunker from snow to bacon.

 

This way, everyone will be happy.

What you should really do, is replace your parts with bacon, so you can cook games and eat bacon

Obviously the wallpaper would be cooler if bacon was incorporated into it.

 


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2: bring back old cockpits. This one is a MUST!! For real!


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a proper clan system


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Low hanging fruit.

 

Release the mech chassis that already exist, moar paints.  Then new maps and new mechs.  Much rather see a new map than a rework of Bunker...


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I mean how much are you really going to improve bunker with a rework anyway? There's a chance that it would come out just as badly, and there's no clear solution to how to fix it. 

 

New maps are more important than reworking old maps.


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Un-do Acension

 

I'm amazed some people still think this can happen.


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I'm amazed some people still think this can happen.

 

Annnnnd... Everybody does not want this.  I personally do not want that, maybe bring back some of the aesthetics but other than that I like the current Hawken.


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Yeah hawken is not bad, but the grind is.

Must look at ways to ease the grind.
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Matchmaker.

And make weapons more realistic (actual projectiles, recoil, bullet drop, etc.)

Plus make the cloak actually a cloak and not a shiny, buggy "Here I am, pelase shoot me" sign.


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And make weapons more realistic (actual projectiles, recoil, bullet drop, etc.)

 

Plz no. Even if overhauling fundamental game mechanics was a good idea, it should not be high on the priority list right now.

 

Reloaded needs to make money off Hawken, so they will probably do the easy stuff first. I would expect that there is very little to no content released for a month at least while the staff gets settled in, at which point you'll probably start with paint and holo-taunts, then maybe drones mech emotes and mech parts along with anything that was in the oven on ADHs dissolution. Only after that would I think it reasonable to expect maps, mechs, or game modes.


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Low hanging fruit.

Some new cosmetics and economy balance would go a long way. A new (or the old) garage would be nice but I have no idea how quick that would come along.


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Pubstomping is a whole different strategic discussion, however, and usually just becomes an exploration of the ethics of dumpstering randos.

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+1 to releasing already made skins
I'd spend on some of the alpha chassis

Voting system to skip next map

Command wheel (just the next step over 'enemy spotted' & 'help requested'

Map way points for team members

Reinstate 'm' for map


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Why is there such an issue with Bunker? I just see it as "the wide open map". If people don't like it, that's fine. I think it's alright. But the stage should be left alone.


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the devs should fix the balance issues with the technician and incinerator. maybe do something with the underpowered mechs like bruiser and brawler, too (at least that's how they feel to me, then again i'm bad at hawken. how do they fare at high level play?)

 

siege and missile assault need some measure against uvenly sized teams, since, unrelated to combat effectiveness, if both teams have all players on the same point (especially the anti-air silo), the larger team can capture it, without even killing any enemy, which is probably not what's supposed to happen.

maybe put a bot on the smaller team until another player joins/leaves, that focuses on capturing points.

 

on the forum side of things, it would be nice if the devs gave some feedback to posts in the suggestions subforum. or appointed someone to do that for them. so the place doesn't feel like some placebo, if that makes sense.


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I have a lot of ideas and would like some feedback on them:

Suggestions for fixing things:

https://community.pl...of-suggestions/

Suggestions for new things:

https://community.pl...for-new-things/


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Updates? Hard to say which ones. The mess caused by the old devs is pretty large in scale, no huge or glaring balance problems, just many, many tiny ones that all mesh together. Fixing only one of them might unbalance the game, new devs will need to be careful at what wire to cut.

 


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First thing is rebalance the economy.  Seriously, some things are just too expensive and otherwise.



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I'm loving how every pilot that has responded thus far has said "none of the above!" haha.

Also, bunker is fine. Fix VOIP, add more cosmetics/cockpit junk and new maps. Profit
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I would agree, fix VOIP and bring back way points. The latter is a simple tool to help get newer (and a few veteran) players where they need to be on any of the match modes. Who knows might help slow down people leaving the match and help accelerate the newer players learning curve.

 

Neither would break or unbalance the current game state.



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Undo Ascension. Can it happen? Yes it actually is possible contrary to what many think. Should it happen? Yes it should. Will it happen? Probably not.

 

VOIP, not going to happen. EVERY and I do mean every game that has tried ended up with crap. I wish it did. Seriously. You can tell when a group is on TS.

 

Economy fixing. Hmm it is out of balance. And works weird anyhow, lol. Especially for new people.

 

NUMBER ONE BY A THOUSAND MILES...............FIX MATCHMAKER. It is broken completely to hell. I have seen it take the top 4 players in one match and put them on the same team in the next match. WHAT??? 6 to 3 matches. ??? Takes a guy with a 900 score and puts him on the winning team side? The list of problems just goes on and on with matchmaker. It has gotten even worse over time instead of better.

 

The lag problem is a serious problem as well. Players with pings over 900 in a game are a disaster. The fix? No idea.

 

And last of all. Fixing stuff is a nightmare that the original Devs found out the hard way. It is a catch-22 for sure. I pity reloaded on this issue. Not going to be easy to accomplish without opening a whole new can of worms. First advice for them? Do the best you can. Fix it in a way that you think will satisfy the most people. You cannot make everyone happy. That is completely impossible.

 

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Bunker should only be for snowball fights and a tower defense game of building snowmen. Also hordes of polar bears should pour out of that empty AA base. So much potential that ice cream bowl map has been hiding all along.



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Undo Ascension. Can it happen? Yes it actually is possible contrary to what many think. Should it happen? Yes it should.

Could you be more specific?  Exactly what changes did you like/dislike?

 

A lot has changed since then (it was September 2013 iirc), and it would be interesting to hear what people are still unhappy with.


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Could you be more specific?  Exactly what changes did you like/dislike?

 

A lot has changed since then (it was September 2013 iirc), and it would be interesting to hear what people are still unhappy with.

Hmm I'll try to make it short as I can. I like we have more maps. I like the graphics have improved. I like most of the mechs.

 

Now before I get to dislikes please consider this. Subs are way down. At one point we had over 8,300 people on the servers at one time. Not total subs, at one given minute.  Now we can barely reach 900. The forums are rift with unhappy people. Thread after thread about changing this and that. I have always said I have no magic answers. I was asked my personal opinion and I gave it then as I am now.

 

I believe now and I believe then that the MMR system is faulty. I believe the matchmaker is broken to hell. Some would agree with me and some would disagree. MMR was faulty then and is faulty now, only worse. It has never worked right and creates problems.

IN MY OPINION, I don't like pub stomping. I consider it the equivalent of a professional boxer beating on children. It's a analogy, I am not accusing anyone of child abuse, to make that clear. If ALL the smurfs and pub stompers stop smurfing and went back to playing. They would find there would be plenty of them to fight each other. More then enough for a fair fight.

 

I liked the old HUD. I had zero problems using the old hud. Neither with my computer or using it in game. I liked the old Garage. They radically altered how it looked and worked. After working so hard for the skill tree on so many mechs to lose it all in one bad decision by the old Devs. Well it made me angry to say the least. It worked better than what we have now for sure. Yes it needed some fixes but for the largest part worked. I own 2 of every mech in the game except for CRT, Vanguard (of which I own 1 each) and the G2 Raider.  Never really cared for the raider and not interested in the new G2 version. I have 6 Techs. I hate techs. They should never have been put into this game in the first place. They were added March 27th 2013. Ascension did not start until October. It was a horrendous mistake. It imbalances the game and that is a fact, not a opinion. I liked the "gritty" feel of the old game. I liked it felt like the mechs really were mechanical warriors. It was more "raw". When they cut our health in half I was livid. Ascension gave us back a minor amount of health, not near enough to make any real difference compared to what it was and is now.

 

And last, the old Devs just pretty much tried to pretend hacking didn't exist. I had many a email conversation and finally serveral phone conversations with them about it and the denied Hawken being hacked. They claimed it couldn't be and they were not worried about it. I'm here to tell you for a ded fact it does. The free hacks are pretty much worthless. There are multiple companies that have top of the line hackers  and coders who write hacks that work. Not simple trash. They charge by the month to use them. They each do 35 to 45 different online games. One of the biggest companies has over 300,000 subs. Most have been in business 4 or 5 years. They use a directX overlay for most of the hacks they sell but not all. I spoke with the old Devs many a time trying to warn them. Too many of the high MMR people told me in forums there were no hacks. I posted about it in the forums and got jumped by a number of the hgh MMR players that hacks did NOT exist, that I was wrong. Then they said well maybe one or two worthless free hacks that anyone could see might. Wrong. It occurs far more than you think. You say "Oh I can tell a aimbot because it snaps, snaps, snaps to every target. The paid hacks don't. The ones they sell have over 30 functions. They have one called "smooth-aim". It does not snap. It slowly move to a target like a real person and pulls the fire trigger for you. It can target by weakest mechs, closest mechs, or a particular mech. It can even "miss" on purpose to make it look more real. Dice has a entire division that fights hackers after they almost destroyed their game. Cheating is not OK, it is not acceptable and it is happening. Yes even here. And yes I am very much aware of sometimes really good players and/or High MMR players get accused of being a hacker. I have and had then a lot of friends I played with that were those people. Hell I use to get accused back then. Still do from time to time. I might also add that I liked the game prior to Ascension. I was here in 2012 and like it then. (With some fixes of course. But instead of really fixing stuff, they just kept adding crap.)

 

OK thanks for listening. You asked so I did my best to answer. Sorry if I got carried away but some things still upset me. I wish I had a magic wand and could make it all perfect. I don't. I haven't done any programming in many years so I have no idea how to fix all this. I still think this is a great game. In my opinion it is not what it used to be. It is not as unique as it use to be. I don't know what if anything reloaded can do to fix things. I do believe they are going to try. I like the fact they have been pretty open with us so far. That is a good sign. I wish them and all of you the best of luck and hope to see you in game. I play anyone and any match so my MMR is not good. It floats up and down depending on who I play. I may be old but I ain't ded yet! Take care ThirdEyE and thanks for asking. :D

 

***NOTE*** THE BLUE IS MY UPDATE ADDED TO RESPOND TO ThirdEyE BELOW RATHER THAN MAKE A ENTIRE NEW POST. THANKS!


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I'm loving how every pilot that has responded thus far has said "none of the above!" haha.

Also, bunker is fine. Fix VOIP, add more cosmetics/cockpit junk and new maps. Profit

 

 

I would agree, fix VOIP and bring back way points. The latter is a simple tool to help get newer (and a few veteran) players where they need to be on any of the match modes. Who knows might help slow down people leaving the match and help accelerate the newer players learning curve.

 

Neither would break or unbalance the current game state.

 

Agreed...Fixing the in game voice chat as one of the first fixes/repairs/updates..I think would go a long way to moving things along and help improve game play without changing the game.

 

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What if we just give some bacon paint, some bacon holo-emotes and change Bunker from snow to bacon.

 

This way, everyone will be happy.

 

But seriously, I do like the Hawken is now and that there is some balancing issues here and there 


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Agreed...Fixing the in game voice chat as one of the first fixes/repairs/updates..I think would go a long way to moving things along and help improve game play without changing the game.

 

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IIRC they completely ripped out the Voip. It would be massive if they could implement a new one, I can't think of a more substantial obstacle for all skill levels than voip. 


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Didn't the newdevs already say that void was definitely not on the schedule?

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I remember them saying they were shutting it down to address at a later time, wasn't aware they had completely taken it out.



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Yes return the "m" map + waypoint.

Surprised nobody mentioned the needed ORB NERF, lots of suggestions in the orblord threads so won't repeat here.



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Hmm I'll try to make it short as I can. I like we have more maps. I like the graphics have improved. I like most of the mechs.

 

Now before I get to dislikes please consider this. Subs are way down. At one point we had over 8,300 people on the servers at one time. Not total subs, at one given minute.  Now we can barely reach 900. The forums are rift with unhappy people. Thread after thread about changing this and that. I have always said I have no magic answers. I was asked my personal opinion and I gave it then as I am now.

 

I believe now and I believe then that the MMR system is faulty. I believe the matchmaker is broken to hell. Some would agree with me and some would disagree.

IN MY OPINION, I don't like pub stomping. I consider it the equivalent of a professional boxer beating on children. It's a analogy, I am not accusing anyone of child abuse, to make that clear. If ALL the smurfs and pub stompers stop smurfing and went back to playing. They would find there would be plenty of them to fight each other. More then enough for a fair fight.

 

I liked the old HUD. I liked the old Garage. After working so hard for the skill tree on so many mechs to lose it all in one bad decision by the old Devs. Well it made me angry to say the least. I own 2 of every mech in the game except for CRT, Vanguard (of which I own 1 each) and the G2 Raider.  Never really cared for the raider and not interested in the new G2 version. I have 6 Techs. I hate techs. They should never have been put into this game in the first place. It was a horrendous mistake. It imbalances the game and that is a fact, not a opinion. I liked the "gritty" feel of the old game. I liked it felt like the mechs really were mechanical warriors. It was more "raw". When they cut our health in half I was livid.

 

And last, the old Devs just pretty much tried to pretend hacking didn't exist. I'm here to tell you for a ded fact it does. The free hacks are pretty much worthless. There are multiple companies that have top of the line hackers  and coders who write hacks that work. Not simple trash. They charge by the month to use them.

They each do 35 to 45 different online games. One of the biggest companies has over 300,000 subs. Most have been in business 4 or 5 years. They use a directX overlay for most of the hacks they sell but not all. I spoke with the old Devs many a time trying to warn them. Too many of the high MMR people told me in forums there were no hacks. Then well maybe one or two. Wrong. It occurs far more than you think. You say "Oh I can tell a aimbot because it snaps, snaps, snaps to every target. The paid hacks don't. The ones they sell have over 30 functions. They have one called "smooth-aim". It does not snap. It slowly move to a target like a real person and pulls the fire trigger for you. It can target by weakest mechs, closest mechs, or a particular mech. It can even "miss" on purpose to make it look more real. Dice has a entire division that fights hackers after they almost destroyed their game. Cheating is not OK, it is not acceptable and it is happening. Yes even here.

 

OK thanks for listening. You asked so I did my best to answer. Sorry if I got carried away but some things still upset me. I wish I had a magic wand and could make it all perfect. I don't. I haven't done any programming in many years so I have no idea how to fix all this. I still think this is a great game. In my opinion it is not what it used to be. It is not as unique as it use to be. I don't know what if anything reloaded can do to fix things. I do believe they are going to try. I like the fact they have been pretty open with us so far. That is a good sign. I wish them and all of you the best of luck and hope to see you in game. I play anyone and any match so my MMR is not good. It floats up and down depending on who I play. I may be old but I ain't ded yet! Take care ThirdEyE and thanks for asking. :D

Thanks for taking the time to flesh your ideas out a bit ;)  I'll only respond to a few since there's a lot here though.

 

Only a few of the issues you list are really Ascension-related:

  • Old Hud - Very resource-intensive and conveyed critical information poorly
  • Old Garage - Not sure about changes to this, mostly added features (view mech w/screenshot functionality) and altered layout
  • Talent Tree - Poorly designed system that only provided the illusion of choice with only 1-2 effective builds (some points didn't even work, namely the secondary weapon reload talent in offense)

Some other things that were not Ascension-related:

  • Health - This was actually increased when Ascension launched, and was reduced later (I think during the Steam patch?)
  • MMR - Afaik the MMR system hasn't changed at all, it's just become more distorted over time due to population issues
  • Technician - Was in the game well before Ascension
  • Hacking - Frankly I don't know where you're coming from with this.  The old devs and most of the high tier players were aware of hacks for a long time.  There will always be hackers that stay under the radar for long periods of time, and some people are just so freakishly good that the average player is easily convinced they are hacking.  I hope Reloaded can implement a more effective anti-cheat system in any case

My point is to illustrate how many people associate everything they dislike in Hawken with Ascension, which is often a false association.  I rather like when people give solid feedback, whether it be criticism or praise, so long as it focuses on the issue by itself.  Honestly, I would like elements of the old HUD back as well, so long as it conveys information effectively and doesn't bog down the game's performance.

 

Happy fraggings old-timer ;)


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Fuzzy dice. That's all I need in my life right now.
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Majority of Players leaving every match, which includes but not limited to:

1. Making the time between matches quicker. It takes way too long between match end and the next match start.

2. Get rid of specific game type daily bonus. We need to stop suggesting that players should play a game type they may not even like just to get a daily win, then leave the server.

3. Make games last longer so there is less time between matches. TDM should have no time limit with maybe 50 kills instead of 40, and MA could have 400 instead of 300 points. Seige is a good length right now.

Suggestions for more content is fuzzy bunny, we need to fix what we have first.

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[quote name="Nov8tr" post="16508" timestamp="1428712026"]
VOIP, not going to happen. EVERY and I do mean every game that has tried ended up with crap. I wish it did. Seriously. You can tell when a group is on TS.
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I dont agree with you there, from what I remember both Counter-Strike: Global Offensive and DOTA 2 have a VOIP and they work beautifully. There will be people that do dumb things on it, but hey, them you don't feel bad muting them.

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VOIP, not going to happen. EVERY and I do mean every game that has tried ended up with crap. I wish it did. Seriously. You can tell when a group is on TS.


I dont agree with you there, from what I remember both Counter-Strike: Global Offensive and DOTA 2 have a VOIP and they work beautifully. There will be people that do dumb things on it, but hey, them you don't feel bad muting them.

Agreed.  The VOIP system in early open beta (back when it worked consistently) worked very well.

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[quote name="Nov8tr" post="16508" timestamp="1428712026"]
VOIP, not going to happen. EVERY and I do mean every game that has tried ended up with crap. I wish it did. Seriously. You can tell when a group is on TS.
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I dont agree with you there, from what I remember both Counter-Strike: Global Offensive and DOTA 2 have a VOIP and they work beautifully. There will be people that do dumb things on it, but hey, them you don't feel bad muting them.

 

Socom on the Playstation 2 had in game voice chat, and guess what, it worked. That game came out in 2002...


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LOL, OK let me explain. Virtually no MMO games have a VOIP that work. Many have tried and failed. The games you mention are not MMO's. BIG difference in how VOIP works in them. In multi-player style games they have a separate program and server for VOIP. DOTA gets away with it for a few reasons. One the program had better coding, huge bandwidth, small teams, the VOIP is not part of the game code and they use a separate server for VOIP as well. Makes a big difference. So this is one of those times where we both are right. :P And when "grouped" teams come into a Hawken match it is obviously very quickly if you have played long enough to tell. It is a big advantage. So yeah VOIP is a good thing.

 

DO NOT GET ME WRONG. I WANT VOIP FOR THIS GAME!! I wish it worked. I hope Reloaded can figure a way so we have a functioning VOIP system. I will be a very happy camper if they do and promise to do the happy dance if it is implemented. :D Ask Ash or Josh or whoever why VOIP  INSIDE MMO games is so hard to make work properly. I'm gonna eat this cake and drink my extra dark coffee and read the forums, then play. :D Take care and have fun!!

 

*edit* BTW Socom on Playstation 2 is a million miles from how VOIP works on a PC in a PC game. Like comparing a Corvette to a orange, lol.

And look at my post in this thread https://community.pl...s-need-to-work/  to help you get it. I am not the bad guy. I am saying I WANT it in this game. Please do not twist my words to mean what you want them to mean (grin) or better yet, do not misunderstand what I am saying. Please? We need VOIP to be viable against teams that are using TS or whatever program to give them a edge.


Edited by Nov8tr, 11 April 2015 - 08:12 PM.

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I'd like to see some adjustment to the TTK...like a variable TTK based on the map being used.

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LOL, OK let me explain. Virtually no MMO games have a VOIP that work. Many have tried and failed.

 

I would hardly call Hawken "massive". Dirty Bomb seems to have pretty good in-game VOIP, the button sticks sometimes but that's all the problems I've had with it.



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IIRC they completely ripped out the Voip. It would be massive if they could implement a new one, I can't think of a more substantial obstacle for all skill levels than voip.

Agreed. The in game voice really needs to be restored to get things rolling again. It'll allow for much easier team play as communication is one of the biggest factors in teamwork. Will help in making team death match less derpy with one sided fights simply cuz one side isn't communicating.

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They should just integrate TS3 into the game.

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I would hardly call Hawken "massive". Dirty Bomb seems to have pretty good in-game VOIP, the button sticks sometimes but that's all the problems I've had with it.

Never heard of "Dirty Bomb" game. Actually had to go search for it. Ahhh it's a new beta. No wonder. It is a new, small beta. Most VOIP work at that stage of the game unless the coding is just really atrocious. And yes while our player base may not be WOW it is a MMO. And Hawken transmits large amounts of data at a extremely high rate of speed. It is the nature of the game. It does it for many, many matches worldwide. Believe me, Hawken has ton of data to deal with rapidly. Some of the other players can tell you the same. And for about the 10th time I will repeat. I WANT VOIP for this game. I'm not sure if they will be able to make it work. I hope so. But thanks for the reply and take care!


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