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So just saw a couple articles, which fueled much rage towards Microsoft, bet it'll fill everyone here with some type of rage too.

 

http://www.game-deba...10 Installation

 

http://www.theverge....screen-with-ads


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Yeah MS seems to fail delivering a Operating system that caters the need of their users.

But one doe snot f*ck up a persons licksscreen or desktop (WVista), ecasue those are the things people customsie for their private needs. Lockign these features is  dictating what wallpaper you have to use in your home.

 

Maybe android should make a PC OS? MS needs soem proper competition to get their butts a bit scared to finally make an OS again. People that want dictaed lifestyle go apple, people that use windows what a specific amount of freedome without too much to care about (like Linux may come with). But this what they do now, is just very bad. W7 is very good, W95 was very good, WXp mostly too, except littering itself too much. Why can't they stick to things that were good, and think they need to experiment with nonense?

 

Knowing that after every installation of W10 I have to totally customise a ton of stuff before it is how I want it to be is going to suck. W10, as late as possible if it stays the way it is now..

 

but then, for the new audience, solitare and minesweeper may already bee to complicated to understand.


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Yeah im already reserving like 10 keys of 8.1 for future installs to avoid installing this piece of crap.

We'll have to upgrade eventually for new DirectX BS but at least we can go kicking and screaming.

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Yeah im already reserving like 10 keys of 8.1 for future installs to avoid installing this piece of crap.

We'll have to upgrade eventually for new DirectX BS but at least we can go kicking and screaming.

Ikr? Why not something people would actually have a use of. Minecraft, Steam, maybe a few trials of the cross-play Xbox One titles, hell I'd take the original solitaire over candy crush. Scratch that almost anything would be better than candy crush, but in the end it's just to promote the whole BS about iOS and Android apps being able to natively run on Win 10.


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Omg, I really want to pretend I didn't just click those links and read that BS. And here I thought MS was doing some good and moving up in the world....maybe their revenue....beeches.


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"Finally, Microsoft’s come good on its commitment to PC gaming…"   Haha, those guys.  Got a legit laugh outta that.


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MS needs a good kick in the balls, but who knows, w10 may be acctually good


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MS needs a good kick in the balls, but who knows, w10 may be acctually good

The OS itself is good, been using the preview build for awhile now, but the idea of "that game" being installed on full release just leaves a bitter taste in everyone's mouth.


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We should call gabe, maybe valve can design a proper OS thats dedicated to run hardware and software without unnecessary stuff, and we probably get a hat for TF2 on top.

 

An OS is not meant to come with pointless features, It should set the base for a proper PC usage.

it would amke more sense to put skype and TS on such a system, because thats probably what a load of people use, or at leats should while installation ask if those programs should also be installed.


Edited by Lily_from_animove, 15 May 2015 - 08:28 AM.


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Damn Microsoft, you could have taken us out to dinner before f**king us this hard

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You can uninstall the game, the lock screen is optional and disabled by default, I fail to see what the big deal is.


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You can uninstall the game, the lock screen is optional and disabled by default, I fail to see what the big deal is.

 

It's not on mobile and tablets. The real issue is 

 

 

 "We are able ... to understand what your use of the PC is"

because anyone who clicks on it not only goes to the ad, but sends metadata to Microsoft. In a system already fuzzy bunnyng notorious for security holes it's just another goddamn one.



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saw a chart somewhere, several months ago, and it gave some "Uh huh!" type data.

it seems that desktop PCs tallied mosty W7, ~20% XP, ~14% Mac, 12% W8/8.1

the fact that about 1/5 of users are still on XP and most of the rest on W7, both OSs that no longer are directly supported (other than security updates for W7), is the sort of thing that MS should be saying "OK, we did these right. What positive attributes made them so popular?" and take the money and run.

DammShame is what W10 looks to become.

and all those XP dungeon dwellers are probably not moving soon, and when they do it will likely be to W7.

if ReLoaded would just open the code to the Linux community (and immediately gain thousands of volunteer developers around the world), I'd click the Install Ubuntu link and never VM or Dual Boot ever again.

 

(and thanks for killing my appetite with that first link)

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It's not on mobile and tablets. The real issue is 

 

because anyone who clicks on it not only goes to the ad, but sends metadata to Microsoft. In a system already fuzzy bunnyng notorious for security holes it's just another goddamn one.

 

They already have that in Windows 8 if I'm not mistaken, with the "advertising ID" option. I don't think it works very differently than the "suggested apps" in all three major OS app stores. Apple already has this implement implemented on Mac Os X for example.

 

I'm not defending the use of such things, in fact I'd rather it not send anything at all, but I don't see how it is different than what is already in place.


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They already have that in Windows 8 if I'm not mistaken, with the "advertising ID" option. I don't think it works very differently than the "suggested apps" in all three major OS app stores. Apple already has this implement implemented on Mac Os X for example.

 

I'm not defending the use of such things, in fact I'd rather it not send anything at all, but I don't see how it is different than what is already in place.

The difference is that it isn't being put in the right place. The lockscreen is, plain and simply, not the right location. The App Store on a Mac IS the proper location for suggested apps. The fact that you're browsing the App Store means you are looking for apps. Turning on/unlocking your computer does NOT mean you are looking for apps.

 

 

Maybe android should make a PC OS?

This is basically what Linux is (except that Android is actually an offshoot of Linux, and not the other way around).



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Rage? Why rage? if Candy Crush is not your thing then it doesn't affect you in any way shape or form, why get pissy over something that's completely inconsequential? What would you have them do? Add some major well-received game from every bloody genre known to man to please every bloody human being in existence? Solitaire and Minesweeper WERE the Candy Crush and Bejeweled of yesteryears, like it or not. Things change, time moves on, get over it.

 

And the lock screen change? For starters, it's OPTIONAL, READ THE GOD DAMN ARTICLE. Secondly it's just random stuff to fill the space that MAY be relevant to the user's interest, as the article mentioned, like Bing home screen, like iGoogle, etc etc.

 

Find better things to get pissy about, there's no shortage of that. Both these new "features" may not be your thing, but they may VERY WELL be relevant to others' interests, in fact, they likely will be to the majority of Windows users.

 

MICROSOFT ADDED NEW OPTIONAL FEATURES THAT ARE NOT TO MY TASTE? BURN THE CITY DOWN.

 

I mean, for the love of primus, there are gazillion better things to complain about when it comes to Microsoft. Games for Windows Live? EksbocksWan? Skype? IIS? Internet Explorer? MSOffice? DirectX? Instead you rather be complaining about them adding OPTIONAL features to a new OS they decide to GIVE AWAY FOR FREE TO OWNERS OF WIN7/8? 


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Mixed feelings here. On one hand MS has a habit of only producing a good OS every other one, so maybe they learned from 8. Then again, maybe 8.1 was that even numbered 'good' OS and this will be garbage.

 

Either way, I imagine lots of users will immediately uninstall this with extreme prejudice, along with Cortana and whatever POS bing-infested browser is included.


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Rage? Why rage? if Candy Crush is not your thing then it doesn't affect you in any way shape or form, why get pissy over something that's completely inconsequential? What would you have them do? Add some major well-received game from every bloody genre known to man to please every bloody human being in existence? Solitaire and Minesweeper WERE the Candy Crush and Bejeweled of yesteryears, like it or not. Things change, time moves on, get over it.

 

And the lock screen change? For starters, it's OPTIONAL, READ THE GOD DAMN ARTICLE. Secondly it's just random stuff to fill the space that MAY be relevant to the user's interest, as the article mentioned, like Bing home screen, like iGoogle, etc etc.

 

Find better things to get pissy about, there's no shortage of that. Both these new "features" may not be your thing, but they may VERY WELL be relevant to others' interests, in fact, they likely will be to the majority of Windows users.

 

MICROSOFT ADDED NEW OPTIONAL FEATURES THAT ARE NOT TO MY TASTE? BURN THE CITY DOWN.

 

I mean, for the love of primus, there are gazillion better things to complain about when it comes to Microsoft. Games for Windows Live? EksbocksWan? Skype? IIS? Internet Explorer? MSOffice? DirectX? Instead you rather be complaining about them adding OPTIONAL features to a new OS they decide to GIVE AWAY FOR FREE TO OWNERS OF WIN7/8? 

If you can`t get angry at the problems here without major problems, let it go out on those that are determined to f*ck up sooner or later.


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What's not open source  = complete dog fuzzy bunny.

 

If you understand that fact and embrace it you can endure all of this and its likes.


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Rage? Why rage? if Candy Crush is not your thing then it doesn't affect you in any way shape or form, why get pissy over something that's completely inconsequential? What would you have them do? Add some major well-received game from every bloody genre known to man to please every bloody human being in existence? Solitaire and Minesweeper WERE the Candy Crush and Bejeweled of yesteryears, like it or not. Things change, time moves on, get over it.

 

And the lock screen change? For starters, it's OPTIONAL, READ THE GOD DAMN ARTICLE. Secondly it's just random stuff to fill the space that MAY be relevant to the user's interest, as the article mentioned, like Bing home screen, like iGoogle, etc etc.

 

Find better things to get pissy about, there's no shortage of that. Both these new "features" may not be your thing, but they may VERY WELL be relevant to others' interests, in fact, they likely will be to the majority of Windows users.

 

MICROSOFT ADDED NEW OPTIONAL FEATURES THAT ARE NOT TO MY TASTE? BURN THE CITY DOWN.

 

I mean, for the love of primus, there are gazillion better things to complain about when it comes to Microsoft. Games for Windows Live? EksbocksWan? Skype? IIS? Internet Explorer? MSOffice? DirectX? Instead you rather be complaining about them adding OPTIONAL features to a new OS they decide to GIVE AWAY FOR FREE TO OWNERS OF WIN7/8? 

They claimed to be more gamer focused, then they announce the bullcrap about being able to run iOS and Android apps natively in Windows 10. PC gamers are not mobile gamers.

 

Internet Explorer is dead, it's being replaced by Spratan, Skype was bought and then merged with with their Windows Live service, GFWL has been dead and gone and a majority of games that were plagued with it have since been patched and released from their confines similar to the Gamespy days. IIS isn't really used by anyone outside an IT degree.

 

Candy Crush is not optional, it's gonna work just like all the other games MS has preinstalled in the past, you can only disable it, not fully remove it. The giveaway is only for 1 year from release, even then they have not clarified how things will work if you bork your install. I personally don't like upgrading, upgrading simply leaves a bad taste in your mouth because of how messy it can be.

 

DirectX I have nothing to fuzzy bunny about, they're actually being smart for once and getting closer to hardware level with DirectX 12, as well as supporting multi adapter rendering, but that's a different subject for a mind=blown thread. since MAR will essentially change how crossfire and SLI work.

 

Office I have nothing to say on that front since I use a perfectly good freeware alternative against the subscription based Office 365.

 

It just irks me to think that Microsoft assumes PC gamers are mobile gamers when it's far from it.


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I will NOT play that crap game. I will delete it. If it won't let me delete it I will fire up Linux, take control of the folder and delete it. And on the lock screen I see for 1 second? Hmm well thank you for telling me about some scumbag company that wants to advertise that way. I will make sure to NEVER buy anything from the company ever, for any reason at any time. I've been running beta for months now. It's actually not bad and you can tweak it up pretty decent. Since they are removing support for Windows 7 (which I use) very soon and 8 not long after. They are already working on 10's successor BUT you do NOT have to buy the replacement for 10. You can opt to use the free version of 10 for as long as you like. They have said the they will keep it updated forever. :D


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Nobody is forcing you people to play Candy Crush, jesus, you people make it sound like MS put a gun to your head and is making you play it on a regular basis. Such is the power of CHOICE, you never even have to launch it (OR INSTALL IT) once in your life, so what's the bloody problem? Fact of the matter of, Candy Crush IS an EXTREMELY well received casual game, it, like its brethren in the casual mobile game market, may not be particularly appealing to the more hardcore gamers out there, but nothing has to appeal to everyone! Frankly adding a game to Windows that most people out there already love is a major plus for both MS and users in general.

 

Again, what would you have them do? Supporting PC gamers DOES NOT necessarily translate to pre-packaging several AAA titles with Windows, not having GFWL (or any potential replacement) and actually offering solid support for both new and old games is frankly more than what we can ask for.


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Nobody is forcing you people to play Candy Crush, jesus, you people make it sound like MS put a gun to your head and is making you play it on a regular basis. Such is the power of CHOICE, you never even have to launch it (OR INSTALL IT) once in your life, so what's the bloody problem? Fact of the matter of, Candy Crush IS an EXTREMELY well received casual game, it, like its brethren in the casual mobile game market, may not be particularly appealing to the more hardcore gamers out there, but nothing has to appeal to everyone! Frankly adding a game to Windows that most people out there already love is a major plus for both MS and users in general.

 

Again, what would you have them do? Supporting PC gamers DOES NOT necessarily translate to pre-packaging several AAA titles with Windows, not having GFWL (or any potential replacement) and actually offering solid support for both new and old games is frankly more than what we can ask for.

They recently aqquired Minecraft from Mojang, they hinted at Xbox One/Windows 10 cross-play titles. The last people I thought MS would partner with is King Digital Entertainment, you know? The douchebags that trademarked the word Saga?

 

What they're essentially doing, is grouping PC gamers with the general public view of what a "gamer" is. Which is someone that dulls their senses into the screens of phones and tablets. Would you take it kindly if someone were to group you in with your like of Hawken, with those who play Call of Duty, Battlefield,  and Halo? Yeah I bet you wouldn't like that very much would you? Or if your a hardcore Starcraft player, it's fair to group you in with the Farmville crowd right, that all happens in real time, and you strategically plant fuzzy bunny it's within the confines of an RTS right?

 

We as PC gamers expected to hear more about changes coming to DirectX, more info on the whole Cross-Play thing for Xbox One, or how about some news on titles that are gonna support DirectX 12. But wait, we don't wanna hear none of that because in the Media's eyes, we're social platform/Mobile gamers right?


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internet explorer is the most kawaii browser hands down, but kawaii kannot substitute functionality and customizability. it's gotta be firefox, or maybe lynx. who knows.

Games for Windows Live was really tacky, I basically stayed away from them. It was like a stamp of disease.

Candy Crush is fuzzy bunny, completely ripped off a poor guy's indie game.

An optional ad lock screen sounds pretty nice. I'll stick with a blank screen though, ads are too distracting.

I didn't actually read the articles, I just felt like posting because of the PC gamer elitism. Consoles are just more computers anyway.

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