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Oh, you mean the "Good Ol Boys Club"

 

Well you should have just said so  :wallbash:

I'm confused by this. When Reloaded took over, they sought some community input. I was given access to the rules before they were official and voiced concerns that they would be too strict if consistently interpreted literally. They were largely direct copies of ADH's old rules. My concerns were allayed by Tiggs saying that the rules would really just be something to point to if people's conduct began to get out of hand. The understanding was that the moderation and the rules would be done similar to how it was under ADH. I may be one of only a small number of people that had a verbal agreement on that matter, but most participating members of the community had a tacit understanding of this until recently.

So far, that sort of "pointing" has only really happened in private, if at all, and "out of hand" seems to often be a pretty low bar these days.


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Yes you did. You implied that very thing. 

 

You obviously have an issue w/both of them. 

 

That's fine. Leave me out of it.

 

I have stated this is NOT just about them. I too have been treated like an asshat and I have done nothing but support this game (one that I love).

 

They may have upset you, as you seem to have a combative personality, i'm sure that stung. 

 

However, when it comes to games (this, and any mulitplayer) the community and those that seek to help support it are paramount. These games live and die w/their player base.

 

Once you begin banning those people and censoring them you lose assets. People that talk about your game, that make videos (merl) that host events (Amid) keep the game going. 

 

It's a bad decision and it's dumb. Again, it would seem that one (and or both) have spanked you down at some point. And I can't change that, nor do I give two shits about your opinion as you're simply an agitator and most likely deserved whatever they said. 

 

I will state for the record... this is NOT just about those two being banned (although it's upsetting). It's about how the community (even you, since you've been here since 2012, and it DOES matter) has been treated.

 

I'm done. 

I said "I am sure they are good people, and I do know they host many events, but that does not change the fact that I think they have acted badly on the forums and broke rules that lead to a ban, and that is all that matters in talking about why they were banned from the forums."

 

?I literally called them good people. If I am able to call them good people who I simply disagree with how they have acted on the forums, that implies I was not stung that hard. Your just reading what you wish to in my post. So you can go around and justify how much I deserved this or that.
 

*shrugs* 


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My concerns were waylayed

 

allay, v, tr.:

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  2. to make quiet :  calm <trying to allay their fears>

 

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He's saying there should be a clean wipe because the moderation is inconsistent and unclear at best. What earns you a ban and what just gets you warning points are areas that are very in-the-dark. Why should the same issue in slightly different circumstances give completely different crimes?

 

It's like two people stealing a loaf of bread in 2 different towns a few miles apart, one of them gets a slap on the wrist and the other gets executed, but the same authority and laws apply in both. How would one know he would be executed? How would one know he would only get a slap on the wrist? There's no distinction. Also, the fact we can't talk about how the forums are being treated for fear of being banned is an issue in itself. We can't talk about important issues because we don't know if we'll be slapped on the wrist or executed. We don't even know what classes as "excessive", so who's to say a punishment will be handed out in the first place?

 

How can you, 100% of the time, abide to rules that are unclear?

 

Where is the line in the sand?

 

So you want the rules to be clarified and until that is done, "Please lift our Buddies ban or we as a community will cry INJUSTICE until it is done.

 

Yeah I understand.



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I can't speak for bt personally, but I think the clean slate for all forum violators and discussion on the future moderation and management of the forums would be a satisfactory start for most of the people complaining about this stuff. Many bans and warning points have been picked up on account of not really understanding how the current moderating system works, or at the very least, being used to something completely different. People adapt at different rates. A lack of real communication and a short timeline in terms of moderation seem to have really agitated that.

 

But how many times are they going to have to clean-slate or roll back punishment so that certain vocal community members can "understand" how things work now?  That's essentially giving people a pass to misbehave.  I honestly think Reloaded has lost their patience with us, I can't exactly blame them.. there are people here to take things to incredible extremes on these forums.

 

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Funny, I'm calling it how I see it as well.  I don't see this as "life important stuff" either, hence why I'm not blowing my top over a couple bans.  If you got temp banned in the past for breaking the rules, I fail to see the issue.  I have no beef either Amid or Merl, not even you.  Just your behavior (within the scope of this thread). 

 

No-one is. That's an issue in itself. The way the forums are headed, there won't be much of a community left in a years time, which becomes an issue of the blind leading the blind when it comes to development. We don't want to see the game fail, or for reloaded to shoot themselves in the foot again. If every prominent community member does however much it takes to earn a ban and not just warning points - which is the issue, inconsistent and unspecified moderation - who will be left to guide new players? Why should they stick around playing a game that has no end goal?

 

At the end of the day, if Reloaded is dependent on the community to give them direction and ideas, they're going to fail.  I said the same thing about ADH/meteor.. If they ban all the prominent community members that we have today, and Hawken lasts long enough and becomes popular enough, others will take there place.  Seen it before.  Just like with work, never think that you can't be replaced.


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allay, v, tr.:

  1. to subdue or reduce in intensity or severity :  alleviate <expect a breeze to allay the heat>

  2. to make quiet :  calm <trying to allay their fears>

 

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http://www.dictionar...m/browse/waylay

 

I think allay may work better, but waylay is still functional.

 

So you want the rules to be clarified and until that is done, "Please lift our Buddies ban"

I'm actually having a hard time understanding how you have a problem with that.

 

 

But how many times are they going to have to clean-slate or roll back punishment so that certain vocal community members can "understand" how things work now?  That's essentially giving people a pass to misbehave.  I honestly think Reloaded has lost their patience with us, I can't exactly blame them.. there are people here to take things to incredible extremes on these forums.

I mean, hopefully just this once. They really only need to integrate into the community and give us due consideration and explanation one time, and it hasn't really happened. Also, hopefully, a baseline level of consistency kind of needs to be established.

 

 

 

 

 

At this point though, I'd like to issue a general warning to people in the thread that some of the personal stuff is gaining more hostility than is warranted - or, rather, it's continued beyond the value of saying "I don't like you right now."


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I didn't always agree with how some comments were made on these forums by certain people....but.... to arbitrarily wipe them away from here, especially after what many have done to promote this game and community and in the way it was done, seems excessive.

 

I believe one of the main goals of RDL, aside from trying to make this game successful, is to try and promote unity, strength, and trust with the people playing Hawken. Not just in the community forums, because not all players gravitate to them, but to all the people that put time and money into this game, whether it be on the PC, Xbox or PS4. 

 

I believe the state of Hawken, for all parties involved, will be much better off if these things are done.


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http://www.dictionar...m/browse/waylay

 

I think allay may work better, but waylay is still functional.

 

I'm actually having a hard time understanding how you have a problem with that.

 

Simple, implied rules were broken. Just because they was allowed to get away with it for as long as they did, does not mean they did not KNOW they was constantly stepping over the line.



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Simple, implied rules were broken. Just because they was allowed to get away with it for as long as they did, does not mean they did not KNOW they was constantly stepping over the line.

I don't want to go in circles here, but we were promised the use of discretion in the execution of rules, and consistency with community expectations of moderation.


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I don't want to go in circles here, but we were promised the use of discretion in the execution of rules, and consistency with community expectations of moderation.

 

Who? The "Good Ol Boys Club"?

 

I don't ever remember Reloaded making any promises to me regarding discretion.



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Where is the line in the sand?

It's just really fuzzing twisty.


 

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I mean, hopefully just this once. They really only need to integrate into the community and give us due consideration and explanation one time, and it hasn't really happened. Also, hopefully, a baseline level of consistency kind of needs to be established.

 

It would be nice if that's all it took to get this drama to end, but do you think this issue wouldn't come up again?  This IS the Hawken community after all.

 

Also, from my perspective, it's not Reloaded that needs to assimilate in this case, but rather WE do.  Hawken for better or worse is theirs.  It's going to change according to their vision, by their efforts, and to their schedule.  That's not to say that we can't effect some influence on that, but yelling and screaming over the Internet is definitely the least productive means to accomplish that.  And all this bad behavior and people acting like drama queens is going to make it that much harder to actually hold any kind of meaningful dialog with Reloaded as the rest of us risk getting lumped in to the "toxic PC crowd" by association.


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Who? The "Good Ol Boys Club"?

 

I don't ever remember Reloaded making any promises to me regarding discretion.

I'm not positive who the "Good Ol Boy's Club" actually is here. This is a game that's been around for quite some time. I've only been around a little more than half of that. There are people active on the forums today that were around a year or two before me.

 

Moving on, no, they probably didn't make promises to you. They did, or at least paid repeated lip service, to much of the community that was active at the point in time that they needed some assistance moving in.

 

 

It would be nice if that's all it took to get this drama to end, but do you think this issue wouldn't come up again?  This IS the Hawken community after all.

 

Also, from my perspective, it's not Reloaded that needs to assimilate in this case, but rather WE do.  Hawken for better or worse is theirs.  It's going to change according to their vision, by their efforts, and to their schedule.  That's not to say that we can't effect some influence on that, but yelling and screaming over the Internet is definitely the least productive means to accomplish that.  And all this bad behavior and people acting like drama queens is going to make it that much harder to actually hold any kind of meaningful dialog as the rest of us risk getting lumped in to the "toxic PC crowd" by association. 

 

Well, yes and no, to the first line. Like I said, it's a start. There really ought to be a continuation of it, some real participation in the community. Previous moderators would check into threads when they were getting out of hand and just say "hey, chill out" and it on its own was often effective. When that failed, threads would be locked, people would receive some more personal warnings, and very, very occasionally, people would receive temporary bans. Before Reloaded, outside of people who strictly used the forums for spamming or trolling etc, I'd really only witnessed one or two permanent bans, and those were for things like repeated instances of racism. That's what the community's used to, and given the several year long retention of quite a few players in an otherwise low CCU game, I'd say it's been alright.

 

To your next paragraph, that's also sort of a yes and no in my mind. I'm not for yelling and screaming about stuff, and I get that they own the IP and the forums and can do as they please, but that's sort of like saying "Freedom of speech" as a defense for being an ass. It's not really a defense, it's just saying you can't be arrested for being an ass.


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Moving on, no, they probably didn't make promises to you. They did, or at least paid repeated lip service, to much of the community that was active at the point in time that they needed some assistance moving in.

 

So if I am understanding you correctly here. They made verbal promises to a few people that they would be able to break the rules as long as they didn't take it to far?

 

If these were made to select individuals, wouldn't that imply some favoritism here?

 

Is that what this is all about here? Did these 2 boys step a little to far over the line and their favoritism from Reloaded ran out?

 

Where can I sign up for this "Favoritism Club" you guys got going on?



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 Previous moderators would check into threads when they were getting out of hand and just say "hey, chill out" and it on its own was often effective. When that failed, threads would be locked, people would receive some more personal warnings, and very, very occasionally, people would receive temporary bans. 

 

 

Funny because that is not how I remember it.

 

What I remember is a lot of long time veteran members teaming up on certain individuals and slandering them to death until the thread was locked.

 

New day, new target and the cycle just continued over and over again until people just got sick of seeing it. The only people left still talking was the few Vets.



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So if I am understanding you correctly here. They made verbal promises to a few people that they would be able to break the rules as long as they didn't take it to far?

 

If these were made to select individuals, wouldn't that imply some favoritism here?

 

Is that what this is all about here? Did these 2 boys step a little to far over the line and their favoritism from Reloaded ran out?

 

Where can I sign up for this "Favoritism Club" you guys got going on?

 

 

At this point you are essentially having a conversation with an effigy of tickle that you have created to be pedantic at.

 

Favoritism in enforcement is not the goal. Rules that allow for productive criticism and discourse would be nice, but at this point I think many would settle for any sort of quantifiable line that we can color in.

 

It can look like the "old boys club" or whatever mobs/gangs up on people, but the reality is that there is a fairly high percentage of long time players and community members that are very much unreserved when calling out bull-fuzzy bunny. That cynicism has become prevalent after being locked in the silent closet twice.


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So if I am understanding you correctly here. They made verbal promises to a few people that they would be able to break the rules as long as they didn't take it to far?

 

If these were made to select individuals, wouldn't that imply some favoritism here?

 

Is that what this is all about here? Did these 2 boys step a little to far over the line and their favoritism from Reloaded ran out?

 

Where can I sign up for this "Favoritism Club" you guys got going on?

I think we're stepping past the bounds of reasonable discussion here. If you'd like to read selectively, that's your prerogative, but neither I, nor anyone else is obligated to continue feeding into this.

 

The people who helped move Reloaded in so to speak, had discussions with Reloaded regarding the future of the community and its management. We settled with the idea that in respect to the community as a whole, the "rules" would be utilized primarily as guidelines and enforced beyond verbal warnings and occasional time outs only in fairly extreme cases. There was an understanding that the moderation style would reflect the expectations of the community that existed at that point in time, and realistically, the community that still exists here and now.

 

If you want to shout "favoritism" because a couple people that have poured inordinate amounts of time into building, maintaining, and growing this community were lent an ear in regards to the future of the community as a whole, then this conversation is going to have a difficult time moving forward.

 

 

 

What I remember is a lot of long time veteran members teaming up on certain individuals and slandering them to death until the thread was locked.

That's a pretty selective memory there.


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The people who helped move Reloaded in so to speak, had discussions with Reloaded regarding the future of the community and its management. We were told, in respect to the community as a whole, that the "rules" would be utilized primarily as guidelines and enforced beyond verbal warnings and occasional time outs only in fairly extreme cases.

 

Hunny I understand completely, thank you for clarifying it for me.

 

You was allowed to run wild and basically do what you want. Now that is over and you are sad it ended with no warning because a few of the "Favorited Helpers" got the Ban Hammer.



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In regards to XFXFuryX, I'd encourage the remaining thread participants to avoid conversation within this discussion in the interest of preserving space and not generating empty or circular forum activity.


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Hunny I understand completely, thank you for clarifying it for me.

 

You was allowed to run wild and basically do what you want. Now that is over and you are sad it ended with no warning because a few of the "Favorited Helpers" got the Ban Hammer.

 

Wrong. We were actioned before, for behavior that would be actionable.  We were not given an unlimited leash to do whatever we wanted.  Moderation has been thoroughly inconsistent event to event, with no clear guidelines for how moderation would be conducted.  If there was clarification on how we would be moderated, and if RLD stuck to the moderation guidelines they set forth (and if they were changing, to let us know), then we'd be much more satisfied.

 

 

It's almost as if a politician changed a law without telling anybody and then started arresting people for breaking the new law we didn't know changed. Citizens would cry foul for miscommunication and unfair actions.


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In regards to XFXFuryX, I'd encourage the remaining thread participants to avoid conversation within this discussion in the interest of preserving space and not generating empty or circular forum activity.

 

In other words "Silence that Member because they have a difference in opinion and their opinion, DOES NOT GET US OUR WAY!



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It's almost as if a politician changed a law without telling anybody and then started arresting people for breaking the new law we didn't know changed. Citizens would cry foul for miscommunication and unfair actions.

And get deported all the same.


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In other words "Silence that Member because they have a difference in opinion and their opinion, DOES NOT GET US OUR WAY!

 

I think we recognize that you have a differing opinion; there is little evidence to suggest that the conversation would be going anywhere due to selective reading and therefore answers to a skewed interpretation of the words presented in front of you.  Victim mentality much?


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We were not given a unlimited leash to do whatever we wanted.

 

It's almost as if a politician changed a law without telling anybody and then started arresting people for breaking the new law we didn't know changed. Citizens would cry foul for miscommunication and unfair actions.

 

NO THEY DID NOT.

 

See that is the problem here, they didn't change anything, they just stepped up the enforcement of the same laws we have always had because the community was off its Leash!


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In regards to XFXFuryX, I'd encourage the remaining thread participants to avoid conversation within this discussion in the interest of preserving space and not generating empty or circular forum activity.

 

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Community being an expert number 1 on hawken and maybe not on technical or this so called backend stuff they're still powerless it seems. At the same time devs are clearly lacking or Reloaded just has far different goals or vision for hawken. In my mind that is the main thing causing this conflict.



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NO THEY DID NOT.

 

See that is the problem here, they didn't change anything, they just stepped up the enforcement of the same laws we have always had because the community was off its Leash!

 

We've been "off our leash" so to speak beforehand, and we were appropriately moderated.  To say that we had free reign over our actions is objectively false.  If we are not allowed to question the "authorities" in actions that we think are unjustly founded, one would, I would hope, raise objections to it.  That's fair.  

 

The issue lies in an ethical interpretation of the rules where the devs choose the severity of punishment for any infraction, and the punishment is not the same for the same infraction.  The devs have full "legal" authority to do that, given that the rules are "theirs" but ethically it makes little sense to vary punishments for rule infractions.


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this thread is amusing, you're all funny :3


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We've been "off our leash" so to speak beforehand, and we were appropriately moderated.  To say that we had free reign over our actions is objectively false.  If we are not allowed to question the "authorities" in actions that we think are unjustly founded, one would, I would hope, raise objections to it.  That's fair.  

 

The issue lies in an ethical interpretation of the rules where the devs choose the severity of punishment for any infraction, and the punishment is not the same for the same infraction.  The devs have full "legal" authority to do that, given that the rules are "theirs" but ethically it makes little sense to vary punishments for rule infractions.

 

I was here through the "Dark Days" of Hawken.

 

There was No Moderation and it was nothing but a slam fest from the Majority to silence the minority.

 

Reloaded is finally stepping up and enforcing the rules we have always had.

 

Great Job Reloaded, My hats off to you  :thumbsup:


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I was here through the "Dark Days" of Hawken.

 

There was No Moderation and it was nothing but a slam fest from the Majority to silence the minority.

 

Reloaded is finally stepping up and enforcing the rules we have always had.

 

Great Job Reloaded, My hats off to you  :thumbsup:

 

I  have to say I agree here.   I have been playing Hawken for years, been lurking on these forums for just as long.  I stayed away for these reasons until recently.  My experience with my first posts, proved the point here.

 

It is nice to see that they are finally attempting to get this crowd under control.  Perhaps we will start having a community that people feel comfortable posting their opinions.


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lmao, and i dont even care this game is ded DED, this dev team is DED, every game is DED, this world is DED too, long live anarchy

you know why? cuz 10-15 years down the line this, and every other game will need to be REDEVELOPED.....AGAIN under AGAIN NEW MANAGEMENT & NEW PLAYERS

you know who/what we can thank for this? pokemon go, no fking joke, with the establishment of the first wildly popular AR mobile game, every other argument in any other field is MOOT

until your game is AR on mobile, the opinions of the gamers and the developers, are irrelevant (unless it pertains as such to the post herein)


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You're obviously working for reloaded and a 'non-person' I will no longer be responding to your posts.


I think there's an implied /s on his posts. He actually provided some well constructed satire

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edited for time. 


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At the end of the day, if Reloaded is dependent on the community to give them direction and ideas, they're going to fail.  I said the same thing about ADH/meteor.. If they ban all the prominent community members that we have today, and Hawken lasts long enough and becomes popular enough, others will take there place.  Seen it before.  Just like with work, never think that you can't be replaced.

 

Ifs and Buts. The problem with replacements is that there are none. In a workplace, there are tons of job applicants having already acquired the skills equivalent to that of the person who already holds the position. They can be replaced with no change to workplace ethic. Their co-workers may not be their friends and said co-workers have a reason to stay - their income. 

 

This is not applicable to these forums. 

 

Amid and Merl have no replacement. They will not have a replacement fast enough. There are not enough players. There is not enough time. There is not enough experience. You cannot simply throw several years worth of experience and passion into someone to do the kinds of things they've done. There is no "General Certificate for becoming a Prominent and Important Hawken Community Member" that you can earn.

 

Even if there was, this is not a workplace. They are our friends. We are a community, not an office block. Even if replacements could be found and changed over within days, you honestly believe that the forums would warm to them? Do you think they would be accepted? Knowing that they had to trample over the remains of who stood before them to get to where they were?

 

The only reason we have to stay is that this is a community. We get no income from this, just enjoyment. We can leave and stay as we please. We stay because we want to see the game become good. We want to see the game grow and flourish and become what it deserves to be. We have no contract. 

 

As it stands now, it is highly unlikely that HAWKEN will become successful. Therefore, merl and amid will likely never get replacements.

 

The workplace analogy is invalid.


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Lurker for many years. I'm not here for a flame war but I am here to provide my .02 like everyone else.  I'm glad that the moderators are finally taking care of business, it's been needed for a long time.  The elitist individuals that feel they're holier than thou are finally getting what they deserve. I don't recall a vote from all everyone that plays this game, to make select individuals the leaders for all or the authority on how I want my game play to be. I remember these individuals trying to con the new overlords into thinking they were the community founders that cared. 

 

There are many of us that choose not to play your little forum games or deal with your elitist views. We play because we love the game. We're now tired and standing behind the new company and we'll slowly watch you fall.  Those of us that stand back and support this game, may not be as vocal as you but we play and are just as loyal if not more.   We want to see threads like the dev and mod introduction. The difference is we want to see these threads without those select people attempting to rip apart any form of communication the dev team has with us. YOU are the problem, not the moderators or the Dev team.  Stop with your attitudes and if you're not happy about what's being posted, then move on. RLDs job was to supply us with a game, they don't have to supply us with a forum and they don't have to listen to any of us, they own the game not us.  It's their decision in what they want to do with Hawken.  Stop forcing what you feel is how the game or communication should be on everyone, there are many of us that don't feel the same way you do.

 

 


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Lurker for many years.

 Member since today. Mod4 is right, there really are too many people pretending to be more than one.

 

Schadenfreude is alive and well it seems.


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Privatefoxy, on 31 Jul 2016 - 4:41 PM, said:

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Long time lurker?

 

http://hawken.heroku...ser/privatefoxy

 

So who's forum alternate account are you again?  Here, I assume, to reinforce your own view from the facade of another "long time player" that has no playing time?

 

 

 

Even if you are not an alt account, community members should voice their opinions to developers.  That's how games improve.  Sitting idly by and accepting blindly whatever the devs hand to us players on a silver platter, yeah we can do that.  We can blindly accept whatever developers give us. They don't have to listen to us.  But then again, we are the consumers.  We consume.  If developers turn a blind eye and shut their ears to the people around them, then there's no guarantee that a product that pleases the crowd the developers target will emerge.  Communicating with consumers is a more reliable way to guarantee product success.  That's not just games, that's just life.


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Long time lurker?

 

http://hawken.heroku...ser/privatefoxy

 

So who's forum alternate account are you again?  Here, I assume, to reinforce your own view from the facade of another "long time player" that has no playing time?

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Lurker for many years. I'm not here for a flame war but I am here to provide my .02 like everyone else.  I'm glad that the moderators are finally taking care of business, it's been needed for a long time.  The elitist individuals that feel they're holier than thou are finally getting what they deserve. I don't recall a vote from all everyone that plays this game, to make select individuals the leaders for all or the authority on how I want my game play to be. I remember these individuals trying to con the new overlords into thinking they were the community founders that cared. 

 

There are many of us that choose not to play your little forum games or deal with your elitist views. We play because we love the game. We're now tired and standing behind the new company and we'll slowly watch you fall.  Those of us that stand back and support this game, may not be as vocal as you but we play and are just as loyal if not more.   We want to see threads like the dev and mod introduction. The difference is we want to see these threads without those select people attempting to rip apart any form of communication the dev team has with us. YOU are the problem, not the moderators or the Dev team.  Stop with your attitudes and if you're not happy about what's being posted, then move on. RLDs job was to supply us with a game, they don't have to supply us with a forum and they don't have to listen to any of us, they own the game not us.  It's their decision in what they want to do with Hawken.  Stop forcing what you feel is how the game or communication should be on everyone, there are many of us that don't feel the same way you do.

 

Hello!

 

have we encountered each other before now? I dont recall seeing you here, nor on the reddit, nor the teamspeak servers, nor the discord, nor ingame. I don't understand why you have these things to say, when your POV has not even had the experience of interacting with the forums. does lurking for a length of time qualify as understanding the unique community here?

 

then I'm a friggin Subject matter expert here, if that's the case.

 

again, I wouldn't be saying anything if I hadn't taken the time to know the situation. what you see on the forums is only one facet of this community.


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In a way I have to agree with you here. I have a good example to =)

 

A few weeks ago I was talking to RunaPanda, you know the "Notorious Hacker" that we been dealing with for like 8 months now.

 

Anyways, she said she was permanently banned for trying out a hack. At 1st I was like "Well glad they caught you" but as she kept talking I began to understand more. She didn't think it was fair that she was permanently banned. She said she would have gladly stopped after a 1 or 2 week ban because she got caught. Now she says she don't care one way or the other.

 

Its kinda sad to think about how a lot of situations are handled. We as a community have delt with a game breaking hacker for months now, while we are left with no way to deal with it. She spouts off stuff in game about "They already took everything away from me that they could, what are they going to do? Ban me? Oh no, I will spend 24 seconds making a new account.

 

My point is maybe you are right, maybe the punishments around here don't fit the crime. 

 

Then again, its Reloaded's world, we are just living in it  :wallbash:

Funny thing is, I know Runa irl, you shouldn't put words in her mouth. True, I may seem like her advocate, but she also thinks the punishment she got was exactly what was deserved, much like she thinks what happened here and now was deserved. Promoter, advocate, whatever you want to call these two. Rules were broken, punishments were delivered, can't do the time, don't do the crime. Another thing, she had made only one account after the ban, which was GET_DUNKED_ON which was also banned, and then she quit since it was to much of a hassle to keep making accounts. The ones you were referring to who said such things, were friends of hers' from a forum, that wasn't her. I seen how she was treated even when she was legit, and I think the one of whom is responsible for making her do the things she did got what he deserves.






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