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Assault / CRT-Recruit

 

Armor - 565 / 525

Fuel - 94 / 102

Boost - 31.52 / 30.44

FRegen - 9.62 / 11.1

GrSpeed - 18 / 17.5

AirSpeed - 29 / 25

Radar - 90 / 112

OvHeat - 5.75 / 4

 

 

CRT have a better tank, regen, radar and overheat, and Assault have more HP and all speed. Do you not think that this is not enough to CRT, and too much for assault?

Mostly conception based on "more HP - less speed", but assault have both, he is Strong, and he is Fast! actually only raider have a higher speed.

 

i think something is a really broken in it.

why not change it in this way, (or something like this?) :

 

Assault / CRT-Recruit

 

Armor - 525 / 565

Fuel - 94 / 102

Boost - 31.52 / 30.44

FRegen - 9.62 / 11.1

GrSpeed - 18 / 17.5

AirSpeed - 29 / 25

Radar - 112 / 90

OvHeat - 5.75 / 4

 

 

now assault moving faster and have a better radar, and CRT is more heavier (like a B-class brawler, have all movement stats bad, but have a highest HP in his class). Just because assault have both of more important stats (HP and speed) higher than other mechs...

 

So, anyone can tell me any reason why i should buy a TV? radar and overheat it's not a big deal.

 


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(Note to self: i am an idiot.)

 

On the other hand (and on topic) this does sound like a good idea, as it will make the CRT more viable in combat, and it will also help change the idea that the assault is just an upgrade from the CRT.


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its just this is awkward to read.

 

it is impossibru to fix

 

 

as it will make the CRT more viable in combat

 

yep, it should be like an alternative, or something like that


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Why not buff and/or change the CRT?

 

I love the Assault.


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I think the CR-T has run its course and doesn't need to be changed/brought back. Sorry Fred.


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Grammar nazi reporting.

and i don't mean to offend you. its just this is awkward to read.

 

Please, learn another language for the express purpose of engaging in the community of a game you love and then see how you feel about calling him on that.

 

As to the stats, nerfing the assault should happen at some point, but I'm not sure a 40HP ding is the right call. Now that the CRT is functionally a prestige mech and not the starter, I see no reason to not just bring it in line with an adjusted assault. It's supposed advantages for noobs were limited and don't do vets much help, so there's no reason to have a worse assault.

 

I still think the CR-T should have been kept as the starter, but without a dev team to tweak its stats I understand why it was done away with. While it's not likely that it'll come back when builds start coming out again, a much higher radar, ground speed, and/or fuel tank would be good for utter noobs. Nerf the fuzzy bunny out of air speed to convince them that flying around isn't the solution to every fuzzy bunnyng problem.


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I love the Assault.

 

Assault is so OP.

 

I hate it with a burning passion because it requires the least amount of skill to use and has a super high skill-ceiling unlike Hellfires. Either nerf the Assualt or buff everything else. Especially the Vanguard.



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Please, learn another language for the express purpose of engaging in the community of a game you love and then see how you feel about calling him on that.

 

Yeah, plus nepa's russian-isms are endearing as hell.


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IMO the CRT should be kept around.

 

It's part of the HUMOR that went into the game and from a visual / marketing standpoint is so fuzzy bunnyng original, that there's ZERO mistaking it for some other Mech game.

 

It's part of hawken and it should always be. 

 

If pilots are worried about it somehow detracting from the game, make it more of a elite mech, and keep the assault as the starter.


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Grammar nazi reporting.

and i don't mean to offend you. its just this is awkward to read.

 

On the other hand (and on topic) this does sound like a good idea, as it will make the CRT more viable in combat, and it will also help change the idea that the assault is just an upgrade from the CRT.

You person you're correcting is speaking a foreign tongue and is a brilliant artist. just FYI. 


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I believe the CRT's stats were tailored towards new players.

Wide radar, short overheat, good fuel regen and tank size. A bit slower so it's easier for new players to hit.

 

The assault was designed to be the upgrade to the CRT for higher level play that's less forgiving to new players.

Faster and more armor, but slower fuel regen, less radar, and longer overheat.



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Assault is so OP.

 

I hate it with a burning passion because it requires the least amount of skill to use and has a super high skill-ceiling unlike Hellfires. Either nerf the Assualt or buff everything else. Especially the Vanguard.

 

Fine. Just buff everyone then, I will still love the Assault even if it is nerfed.



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I believe the CRT's stats were tailored towards new players.

Wide radar, short overheat, good fuel regen and tank size. A bit slower so it's easier for new players to hit.

 

The assault was designed to be the upgrade to the CRT for higher level play that's less forgiving to new players.

Faster and more armor, but slower fuel regen, less radar, and longer overheat.

 

Thing is though is that it's the opposite. On paper, it looks like CRT is better suited for newer players but in reality Assault is far better. Hence why the change in starter mechs - although it may have also had something to do with cosmetic value.



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I believe the CRT's stats were tailored towards new players.

Wide radar, short overheat, good fuel regen and tank size. A bit slower so it's easier for new players to hit.

 

The assault was designed to be the upgrade to the CRT for higher level play that's less forgiving to new players.

Faster and more armor, but slower fuel regen, less radar, and longer overheat.

 

Yeah except almost none of those things mattered in the quantities they were delivered.



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Assault is so OP.

 

I hate it with a burning passion because it requires the least amount of skill to use and has a super high skill-ceiling unlike Hellfires. Either nerf the Assualt or buff everything else. Especially the Vanguard.

 

Assault is not OP. But what you say about the least amount of skill require is true. I mean seriously, I see assaults standing there, not dodging, shot shooting the the enemy, and not leading TOWs, and somehow they do well. Ofc, not as good as the people who actually play well, like danygon, EM10, etc. (note. This is not the super high 1800-and above mmr bracket, so don't let my opinions change your views)

Vanguard is good the way it is (at least for me) Basically its the A class of Cs (does that eve make sense?)



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Please, learn another language for the express purpose of engaging in the community of a game you love and then see how you feel about calling him on that.

 

As to the stats, nerfing the assault should happen at some point, but I'm not sure a 40HP ding is the right call. Now that the CRT is functionally a prestige mech and not the starter, I see no reason to not just bring it in line with an adjusted assault. It's supposed advantages for noobs were limited and don't do vets much help, so there's no reason to have a worse assault.

 

I still think the CR-T should have been kept as the starter, but without a dev team to tweak its stats I understand why it was done away with. While it's not likely that it'll come back when builds start coming out again, a much higher radar, ground speed, and/or fuel tank would be good for utter noobs. Nerf the fuzzy bunny out of air speed to convince them that flying around isn't the solution to every fuzzy bunnyng problem.

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The assault was designed to be the upgrade to the CRT for higher level play that's less forgiving to new players.

Faster and more armor, but slower fuel regen, less radar, and longer overheat.

 

ok guys, just realize it on C-class example.

 

Brawler is slow and have 800 HP

Grenadier is faster tha Brawler and have 740 HP

 

now add a grenadier 800 HP, but not touch the speed, and decrease brawler HP to 740.

now we have a 2 stupid mechs, slow Brawler with low HP, and fast gren with maximum HP... do you see logic? :D

 

Assault and CRT have the same situation.

 

 

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also, there is a many way to change these two mech, for example, CRT can fly faster, and Assault flying very slow. Look at Vanguard and Gren, vanguard flying faster, but gren more fatty. etc. if compared all mechs, all of them

 

CRT should be an alternative, i mean he should can do something, which assault can't do.

+20m to radar, and +1 to fuel regen - it's not an very good alternative. What I'm just talking about.


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also, almost all mech use conception "than more HP, than less speed" except Reaper, Incinerator, and Assault. But reaper have insane regen, and inci have a super bad fuel-regen. but, Assault don't have a serious drawbacks.


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i would agree that crt should feel more beefy than assault,and thats it.give crt a bit more health than assault or change what nepa suggested..



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Don't change the stats of those Mech.

 

Change CRT weapons : only AR as primary, TOW / alternate GL / prestige hellfire as secondary

This way you'll have a real Mech designed for Practice


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Change CRT weapons : only AR as primary, TOW / alternate GL / prestige hellfire as secondary

 

i think it required additional program code for implement, instead of change a several number :D

 

i actually think, separation an Air-fight is a viable option.

assault is heavier, and walking faster. and TV which slower, but flying better. it is nice and simple. TV gain his small feature.

1) if you are preffer AC - use TV and flying

2) if you are old-school-never-hopping-man - use Assault and walking

3) if you are babaji - use G2-assault...

 

with this have a sense to buy and play on it


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Assault is not OP. But what you say about the least amount of skill require is true. I mean seriously, I see assaults standing there, not dodging, shot shooting the the enemy, and not leading TOWs, and somehow they do well. Ofc, not as good as the people who actually play well, like danygon, EM10, etc. (note. This is not the super high 1800-and above mmr bracket, so don't let my opinions change your views)

Vanguard is good the way it is (at least for me) Basically its the A class of Cs (does that eve make sense?)

 

Vanguard does not have enough armor for it's size. Yes, it does have more armour than any B-Class and yes, it's fast. But it is massive. It doesn't matter how fast something is if they are a giant hit target. Scout would be considered pathetic if it was a B-Class mech. I've seen far too many Assualts to not say that Assualt is not OP. It is - if that is because sustain is currently a bit OP or the mech's stats, or maybe both, I've seen too many people wreck with the Assualt to not think otherwise. I find no reason to feel penalized for using a high-skill mech like Predator when someone can just wreck me by using a basic mech and just pointing and shooting at me.

 

Maybe I just feel ripped off because I prefer to not to use Assualt. Maybe I'm just bad. But I can assure you that I do not like the Assault and I consider it OP.



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Vanguard does not have enough armor for it's size.

 

Vanguard is actually almost equal B-class Raider. less armor, high speed (if compare proportional)

 

Assault - it's like a Brawler with Grenadier speed. Maximum HP, but not low speed. =/

i'm not tell that Assault is OP, but logic is strange.


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I'd say the fairly easy usage with the high reward is the main problem of the Assault.

I wouldn't call it OP, just a bit too powerful in overall compared to most other mechs.

The ability is good for grinding through pubbies.

 

 

Vanguard does not have enough armor for it's size. Yes, it does have more armour than any B-Class and yes, it's fast. But it is massive. It doesn't matter how fast something is if they are a giant hit target.

I honestly think the armor on it is fine - size isn't everything you have to compare it with.

It's a very fast C-class and has access to the Mini-FLAK, which has a quite high DPS.

The mobility isn't just for evasion, it's also to stick to targets untill they die.



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Turret needs some rework, at the very least a faster deploy/cancel would be welcomed.


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Time to scrap CR-T and let LC-D take over.

(Or maybe even LE-D or PlAsM-A)


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Time to scrap CR-T and let LC-D take over.

(Or maybe even LE-D or PlAsM-A)

 

 

PL45-MA looks better


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Good points nepa.

They should swap the armor starts on these two mechs to make the crt viable and tune the assault into a balanced state, and zerker needs to lose 5 armor to vanguard, then all will be right with sustained.
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tactical turtling in the van with smc orbs and health internals can easily tank 3-4 average players and more pressure the better the results, from both sides just keep craweling forward and suck up the orbs

 

just dont bother unless you can turn at max rate and not run out of pad


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tactical turtling in the van with smc orbs and health internals can easily tank 3-4 average players and more pressure the better the results, from both sides just keep craweling forward and suck up the orbs
 
just dont bother unless you can turn at max rate and not run out of pad


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PL45-MA looks better

The CRT look is an iconic part of hawken.

 

Instant recognition.

 

To get rid of it is would be a mistake. 


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I wasn't talking about the model, but the spell of plasma PL45-MA

 

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Despite the "PL45-MA" is really really good looking, i still think that this current hawken "elite" style is not very good. i mean HAWK3N, J1-B4B4, B3AR-MAMA and etc. Well, you know what i'm talking about...


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