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As described, i signed up for Hawken a year or so ago and played a few matches oine night, seemed ok but then real life got in the way. logged back in a few days ago and started playihng again an i have to say the experience for me has just been dreadful.

 

Firstly, i have no idea how the matchmaker works or what this MMR thing is, how it effects things, what i do know is that most matches i join i join after the match has started, always on the losing team and consquently pretty much get screwed over and over and over again. ass that into the matches where i do start with the team most of those are losses anyway. I am on the winning team only 30% of the time

 

The next thing, they key bindings, i really need more flexibility in the keybindings, its really frustrating that i cant bind the 180/spin or whatever it is to a seperate key, i often find when i want to boost sideways or backup i end up spinning instead - has got me killed many many times, i really feel like i need more flexibility in the keybindings, especially with that all in one "boost modifier" function

 

Difference in latency seems to be a reall issue in this game, kinda getting tired of not being able to do any damage to the to the otherher guy while he hops around yet he never misses a shot

 

Grenades... damn grenades and explosive things everywhere!!!!

 

The UI in the garage is a real mess to get your head around early on, but im getting better with it

 

How do you guys keep playing on when you start out.. im really tempted just to give up, its really not enjoyable getting monstored every single match. I played MWO, and the new player experience there was just abysmal, but i stuck that one out and do pretty well in it now. Hawken really has me beat and to be honest i really cant handle sticking out several months of getting ganked just to try and find some enjoyment.

 

Any advice????

 

Bit of a whinge i know, just frustrated. Games should not be this frustrating to start out in, seems to be a bit of a trend in the industry IMO

 

Thanks

 

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I figured I'd reply since no one else has.

Yup, almost everything you mentioned are issues that the new devs are aware of. We're all waiting for improvements to be made, but we're a few months out from anything really changing.

There's not much left to say, so I'll leave you with this:

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If you want to learn some stuff, there are plenty of people who'd be glad to teach you, including me.  Someone had a thread up on the old forums with a list of a bunch of willing players but it hasn't been remade yet.


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Check this thread -

https://community.pl...nds/?hl=keybind

I use a joystick to pilot with and what you've described matched my problem.

I used the suggestions and they work.


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Dogbolter, feel free to friend me in game. I'd be more than happy to get out there with you and help get some notches in the W column. The learning curve is steep but once you are comfortable moving around without having to think about it much the game gets much better. Just lots of practice and red skulls until then.

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The officially unofficial hawken team speak is a great place to go for help. I'll link it when I'm not on mobile

 

EDIT: Here it is ts5.gameservers.com:9152


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Come out to war Wednesdays and meet a bunch of great pilots and take part in the carnage. It's a blast.

Join the uberpilots and get yer face rekt on SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAYS. Trust me - this -will- help improve your piloting skills, and its a lot of fun, too.

If you want to science, join us in the hawken public TS on Fridays. We'll throw parts of the game against the wall to see what sticks.

All of these events a loaded with some of the most helpful pilots in the game.

Crash and burn!

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Since we're on the topic of improving key configuration, I'd like to chime in and suggest the ability to unbind keys.


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You can try asking the people who are beating you for help.

Hardly anyone in game ever does this even though there are quite a few vets who would be willing to teach.

 

The other thing is just watch what the good players do and copy them until you get better...

For example learning corner play and using cover.  If you see someone popping out, shooting and then taking cover, why not try that with a burst mech...

etc.  

 

If you chase other mechs and keep getting kited... learn from that experience...



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Any advice????

 

- In team deathmatch, stay with your team. If you die and get separated from your team, go straight toward your teammates' markers on your radar as soon as you spawn in.

 

- In missile assault, stay with your team and complete the objectives. Fight inside the silo areas - don't let the enemy team distract you away from the objectives.

 

- In siege, stay with your team and always stand on the AA when it's time to do so. It doesn't matter if you're a sniper, or a predator, just do it. Getting as many bodies on the AA as you can is the key to winning, even it ends up getting you killed repeatedly.

 

- In deathmatch, practice situational awareness. Keep an eye on your radar. Walk - don't boost - until you find enemies (because boosting makes you visible on radar and an easy target). When you do find enemies, position yourself so you won't get caught in a crossfire. Be a fuzzy bunny and clean up 

 

- Get some repair charges and an extractor for your mechs (and a repair kit on top of that if you don't mind sacrificing the internal space). This is called "orblording". It's cheesy, but it's the metagame right now, and it will keep you alive like nothing else.

 

- To solve your issues with lag, click on the "show servers" button and pick your server manually instead of using the queue. Try all the regions available in your region (for example, Ashburn, Dallas, Los Angeles, and Oregon are available in North America) to find out which servers give you the best ping. Then play exclusively on those servers if you can.

 

 

Grenades... damn grenades and explosive things everywhere!!!!

 

Stay airborne. Or better yet, dodge.


Edited by Nightfirebolt, 09 June 2015 - 10:29 PM.


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This may help! https://community.pl...ken/#entry22748
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- Get some repair charges and an extractor for your mechs (and a repair kit on top of that if you don't mind sacrificing the internal space). This is called "orblording". It's cheesy, but it's the metagame right now, and it will keep you alive like nothing else.

 

 

If you care about the integrity of your soul and are not literally Satan, don't do this though.

 

If you are on the EU servers (I don't see any info on where you play in the OP) I know some people or myself who would be happy to help you learn some things.


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If you care about the integrity of your soul and are not literally Satan, don't do this though.


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If you care about the integrity of your soul and are not literally Satan, don't do this though.

 

If you are on the EU servers (I don't see any info on where you play in the OP) I know some people or myself who would be happy to help you learn some things.

My Waund'Jizah (Vanguard) is the only mech I have with such a build.

 

I don't orblord too much. Helps in some instances but sometimes I use the orbs to heal others.



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- In team deathmatch, stay with your team. If you die and get separated from your team, go straight toward your teammates' markers on your radar as soon as you spawn in.

 

- In missile assault, stay with your team and complete the objectives. Fight inside the silo areas - don't let the enemy team distract you away from the objectives.

 

- In siege, stay with your team and always stand on the AA when it's time to do so. It doesn't matter if you're a sniper, or a predator, just do it. Getting as many bodies on the AA as you can is the key to winning, even it ends up getting you killed repeatedly.

 

I get the stay with the team, do that already. the teams i am on die so quickly though, and then you spawn in different places? Thats weird in itself

 

- In deathmatch, practice situational awareness. Keep an eye on your radar. Walk - don't boost - until you find enemies (because boosting makes you visible on radar and an easy target). When you do find enemies, position yourself so you won't get caught in a crossfire. Be a fuzzy bunny and clean up 

 

Thanks for the boost tip! had no idea about this, might go a fair way to helping me out actually

 

- Get some repair charges and an extractor for your mechs (and a repair kit on top of that if you don't mind sacrificing the internal space). This is called "orblording". It's cheesy, but it's the metagame right now, and it will keep you alive like nothing else.

 

- To solve your issues with lag, click on the "show servers" button and pick your server manually instead of using the queue. Try all the regions available in your region (for example, Ashburn, Dallas, Los Angeles, and Oregon are available in North America) to find out which servers give you the best ping. Then play exclusively on those servers if you can.

 

Australian player, the oceania server list is completely empty when i am on, save 4 or 5 people. There is one guy i see all the time, when he arrives in a match whichever team he gets assigned to automatically wins. This afternoon had a really good match going, score was something lik 12-9, we were winning, this same guy comes in and we lose the match 28-14. When we relaunched for the next match, it put this guy on a team of 5 against me in a team of four. No one on my team got over 50 score, the other team all scored between 2-500

 

 

Stay airborne. Or better yet, dodge.

 

Yeah, trying to "lag dodge" if that makes sense prrovides some weird moments, in the case where theya re cortner shooting i have to dodge before i know they are there, not sure how im supposed to do that. I also quite often seem to take the damage before th mech appears on my screen so dont get the dodge in quick enough, or when i do hit the mech it seems to take no damage. i guess hes still on my screen but back behind cover on the server?

 

Is this game client side or server side hitreg?

 

 

If you care about the integrity of your soul and are not literally Satan, don't do this though.

 

If you are on the EU servers (I don't see any info on where you play in the OP) I know some people or myself who would be happy to help you learn some things.

Thanks, Oceaia player, i have never seen an australian server with p[layers in it. Always end up in singapore or Tokyo, but pretty much see the same people voer again. Going US drives my ping up to 320, which is where im at with MWO, but the speed of this game makes it so much worse where is its not that big of an issue with MWO unless you have jitter

 

Thanks for the replies. I was just looking at my stats, KDR .67 and winning 33% of matches, probably ok'ish for a fuzzy bunny, its just a pain im not playing other scrubs. Im way out of my league at the moment


Edited by DogBolter, 12 June 2015 - 02:55 AM.


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Are there hitreg issues with Hawke?? i just hit some guy tweice with TOW missiles while he was standing still, and machine gunned the crap out o hime, took no damage?

 

And he was not a holgram either..once he figure out i was behind him he turned and killed me



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Of course after having a few good matches im now back to being on the losing team 75 % of the time, this is not a good way to attract new players. I think ill give up until they rework the matchmaker. I refuse to be used as cannon fodder to get the playerbase up so they can then "fix" it.

 

Game developers are really dissappointing these days, this game looks awesome, but its incredibly frustrating getting ganked over and over like this by the same people with your weapons not doing any damage half the time

 

Thanks for the help anyways gents =D


Edited by DogBolter, 12 June 2015 - 02:53 AM.


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bad attitude.. had a bad day...will try and stick it out for the time being



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I know you said it was you having a bad day... but lets just clear this up.

Of course after having a few good matches im now back to being on the losing team 75 % of the time, this is not a good way to attract new players.

 

This is a team based FPS. Losses happen no matter what. When I first started the game I was on the losing team for most of my matches as well. As a new player one shouldn't be concerned over winning and losing, just learning the game. At the very least, it's not like fighting games where playing online as a noob years after a game came out means you're gonna lose a lot more for reasons much more centered on your own skill.

 

I think ill give up until they rework the matchmaker. I refuse to be used as cannon fodder to get the playerbase up so they can then "fix" it.

 

It is being worked on, the match maker. But the problem of a low player base is one of the issues, and it's nothing they can really fix with altering MM.

 

Game developers are really dissappointing these days, this game looks awesome, but its incredibly frustrating getting ganked over and over like this by the same people with your weapons not doing any damage half the time

 

I've been playing for about two months and getting killed by the same guy multiple times still happens. As for weapon damage, that's a mix of several factors. As well as whether or not other guys were shooting at you.

 

Thanks for the help anyways gents =D



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On it. Been busy with work :D






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