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I'm the second best hawken player and from today's experience with CIV's frustrates me, I know to get up in there face when there flying around like little birds, or hop or hover or dodge with my scout my it doesn't make any sense how I die or they do 200+ damage even with 3 or 4 mines, like what moron designed that mech seriously nerf it please it really annoying

Edited by (Xbox)TheJamJambaler, 30 August 2016 - 06:33 PM.

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"Second best" and not being able to kill CIVs doesnt mix lol. Use corner play, youre in fact at a disadvantage trying to outplay a CIV in the open or in his face at all unless you have equal health; You at full 300 and him at 300. If youre still losing your engagements, you need to learn to play mind games better with your mobility to micromanage his aim so you control it because at that point, its your fault for not knowing where mines have landed.

Edit: Im all for removing one or two of the pucks from the charged shot, A classes being one-shot is one thing but nearly melting B classes? Thats a bit heavy.

Edited by (Xbox)x KiRK707, 30 August 2016 - 09:00 PM.

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They are a little op but weak armour I was having issues 2 on the opposing team wreaking havoc just changed my play style had to out think them I will confess to jumping back into my assault as did my team mate I found one of us as bait they gave Chase and we chewed them up

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TheJamJambaler "Second Best"...anyway the CIV is easy enough to deal with in 1v1 situations. Their major flaw is they have to lead their target, and most of us have played against them enough to know their fire rate, so you have to punish their leading by strafing one way then right as they shoot thrust the opposite.  


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I am ask hestoned, I'm the second best plus I destroyed you pathetic scout lol

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I dont know if you were talking to me or not, but I play Raider mostly and I have destroyed you in your scout with my scout many times; and who cares what Hestoned said. Not that that is what I was talking about. I think there is Hestoned then about three or four guys(I would say you, kirk, and myself), then everyone else. 


Edited by (Xbox)CCT DARK, 31 August 2016 - 05:08 AM.

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While I think you are a good player, Jambaler, and I also agree that the CIV is a very powerful mech.  I do not think you should self proclaim how good you are at this game.

 

If you are good, people will know you are good and you won't have to tell them.  If you have to tell people you are good, then well.. you aren't good.

 

Side note.  I didn't even realize I captured this at the time, but this is a video on my xbox clips.  pay attention around the 15 second mark.  You will see TheJamJambaler in his scout mech,  He gets killed.  Then look closely at the top left and you will watch him drop the game.

 

Dropping?

 

Are you a dropper when you get killed, second best player in the game?

 

And for the record, anyone who has played against me knows that I'm a garbage player.


Edited by (Xbox)xROLLxTIDEx, 31 August 2016 - 05:43 AM.

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Roll Tide you play a good CIV do you think it is OP? What do you think its weaknesses are?


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Roll Tide you play a good CIV do you think it is OP? What do you think its weaknesses are?

The Civ is very powerful but it has weaknesses that can be exploited.  The Civ, like the Incinerator, is about firing where you anticipate the enemy will be.  The CIV has the luxury of your missed shots sticking on the ground and having the enemy walk over them/land on them while you are shooting your next salvo.

 

The hardest enemies to hit are the ones that stay in the air, can dodge in the air, and force you as the player to score a direct hit.  If the enemy can do this while constantly hitting you, it makes things very tough on the CIv/Incinerator.

 

A Nief is a CIV killer. Bruisers are very tough as well.


Edited by (Xbox)xROLLxTIDEx, 31 August 2016 - 07:54 AM.

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Hey roll tide it was a 2v4 that isn't fair so yeah plus I still had the most points and CCT Dark I verses your scout I'm better period anywho the CIV is just annoying on siege mode but that's my opinion does anyone else feel that way

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Hey roll tide it was a 2v4 that isn't fair so yeah plus I still had the most points and CCT Dark I verses your scout I'm better period anywho the CIV is just annoying on siege mode but that's my opinion does anyone else feel that way

You are a good player.  I've said so before on these forums before this thread ever existed.

 

I feel that you are one of those players doesn't need to tell other people how good you are because most people who play against you already know. 


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Only multiple CIVs are my problem; 24 mines layed around the OBJ is just dumb.

If you guys are gonna argue about whos better, just add each other, get in a party, and use server browser and communicate which empty deathmatch to join and commence 1v1s- That way its entertaining
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Only multiple CIVs are my problem; 24 mines layed around the OBJ is just dumb.

If you guys are gonna argue about whos better, just add each other, get in a party, and use server browser and communicate which empty deathmatch to join and commence 1v1s- That way its entertaining

 

 

 

I am fine with finding out which is the better 1v1. Scouts only Jam?


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Sure I don't mind

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Record the fight, I wanna see! Lol

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What would be the best way to do that?

 

Can you change the record time on the xbox to 10mins?

 

I could just stream it. 


Edited by (Xbox)CCT DARK, 31 August 2016 - 11:53 AM.

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Game DVR is an app on the Xbox; Snap it while youre playing to record for 5 minute maximums but to record longer, hit record and then unsnap the app. For some reason this works for me to record as long as I please. To stop, I just snap it back and it freezes for a minute and will eventually unfreeze, saying you recorded only however long the app was still snapped open after hitting record. Check your videos and you should have a 5 minute limit breaker. Sometimes youll have uploading issues, at which point just try to manually share it to your feed or edit it to refresh the save and try sharing then. This is entirely glitch-based, you are treading un-charted territory so not much info other than this

Edited by (Xbox)x KiRK707, 31 August 2016 - 06:20 PM.


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This is a duel I'd like to see

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Y'all really want to see TheJamJambaler vs CCT Dark

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It'll stop em arguing and it puts it to bed and we get the fun outta watching it

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Stop all this foreplay and just do it already
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I know hestoned. hestoned is a friend of mine. you sir, are no hestoned.

You aren't second best, or even 22nd best.

I have been playing since 2013, in every competetive tpg league season cup and tourney.

I know every comp player, and they all know me.

Console hawken is full of potentially great players, but nobody ranks until we have either a public mmr leaderboard or private server matches.

Sorry jamjam, but there scores of us that you are no match for. Not until you put in the time.


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I know hestoned. hestoned is a friend of mine. you sir, are no hestoned.
You aren't second best, or even 22nd best.
I have been playing since 2013, in every competetive tpg league season cup and tourney.
I know every comp player, and they all know me.
Console hawken is full of potentially great players, but nobody ranks until we have either a public mmr leaderboard or private server matches.
Sorry jamjam, but there scores of us that you are no match for. Not until you put in the time.

But the game isnt cross-compatible, why does it matter that there are scores of better players on PC? Legit question, not trying to seem like a jerk and challenge your input but its kinda safe to assume its about Xbox Hawken and not its entire playerbase- KB/M advantages and all

Edited by (Xbox)x KiRK707, 02 September 2016 - 08:38 AM.


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Nobody is talking cross platform.
I'm saying console Hawken footage is painfully bad and will be until console players get the kind of time in hours played it takes to play the game at even an average comparable level to the pc community, all other things being equal, because the time to learn what is possible hasn't passed in terms of game hours played for console players.

Apart from that, having years of comp play logged, such a pc player is light years ahead of the typical console player as soon as they launch into a ps4 or Xbox game.

Tpgleague Hawken teams/players at the end of regular season 3 were light years better than tpgleague teams/players during season 2.
No contest. And they were largely the same people.
They just were separated by the chasm of experience between themselves.

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I defo agree it takes time to learn tactics,terrain,how people move together.I remember when I first started playing mechwarrior(Ghostbearslegacy for you old timers)we were just running round aimlessly but then we started running in clans started learning then it got intresting

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Nobody is talking cross platform.
I'm saying console Hawken footage is painfully bad and will be until console players get the kind of time in hours played it takes to play the game at even an average comparable level to the pc community, all other things being equal, because the time to learn what is possible hasn't passed in terms of game hours played for console players.

Apart from that, having years of comp play logged, such a pc player is light years ahead of the typical console player as soon as they launch into a ps4 or Xbox game.

Tpgleague Hawken teams/players at the end of regular season 3 were light years better than tpgleague teams/players during season 2.
No contest. And they were largely the same people.
They just were separated by the chasm of experience between themselves.

Everything you say is absolutely true.

 

The problem is that the xbox players are handcuffed by the developers.  We can not have 6v6 league competitions.  We have no private servers.  If we tried to work around the system and all join the same empty server, we will be prevented from doing so by "this server is out of your fitness range".

 

When the developers actively prevent players of different skill from playing each other they are preventing those players from getting better.  It takes playing better players, getting your ass handed to you, and seeing what is possible to learn and get better.   The players who would be interested in competition play are not going to sit around and wait forever.

 

I truly miss the old days of MechAssault/Mechassualt 2 and Gamebattles ladderboards.


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Crafty I am second best, I've beaten countless of good scouts and sometimes hestoned but he is still better so shut up and fuzzy bunny off

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LMAO Second Best???? PPFFFFFFFFTTTTT
G2 CIV Master.

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I think they are balanced, I think some other mechs could use some improvement. The scout seems like the most ridiculous mech. Which I don't think the scout needs nerfed either. However their should be some mech to counter it added to the game.
Something that deals heavy damage at extreme close range, where the scout is most effective.
Maybe something with very slow speed, but heavy damage up close.

My thoughts were a heavy with some type of flame thrower weapon.

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The Predator was nerfed by the original dev team year's ago on pc. They reduced it from 10 pucks to 8 because it could one shot A class mechs. I don't personally think the Civ needs a nerf. Maybe when seige games result in people just spamming from their base like many pc matches it could be nerfed. Imho the range of Eoc launcher needs the nerf. It's essentially a mine shooting sniper rifle. While the xbox crowd hasn't quite turned into base spammers. The range of the weapon lends to it.

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