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@Lauren, I'm pretty sure I had matches when I was at the top, but I've lost MMR. And server average MMR wasn't that far from mine.

 

I think it's much more complex than simply taking score into account. Probably things like KDR, MMR of people you're killing/wounding, MMR of people who kill/wound you are also taken into account.

 

And maybe there is even small chance that you'd lose/gain MMR randomly. Just to throw off people trying to discover the equations.

 

Also, I think MMR could work even better if it somehow detected if you're in a very unbalanced match. It's easy to get kills and not die if your team is much better than enemy. And vice-versa. If you're in team of complete scrubs, it's sometimes really hard to score any kills, or keep KDR over 1.0.

 

And then, invariably, you lose MMR.

 

EDIT: I've just played some match, look at this screenshoot: http://images.akamai...BDB121E9F29DE9/

 

a) server was ~~50 MMR above mine

b) I was in the upper-half by score. Specifically, third. Close to second one.

c) KDR exactly 1.0

 

 

Aaaaand I've lost about 5 MMR points.

 

So it can't be as simple as "be at the top of scoreboard".


Edited by Ezodev, 07 August 2016 - 11:48 AM.

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@Lauren, I'm pretty sure I had matches when I was at the top, but I've lost MMR. And server average MMR wasn't that far from mine.
 
I think it's much more complex than simply taking score into account. Probably things like KDR, MMR of people you're killing/wounding, MMR of people who kill/wound you are also taken into account.
 
And maybe there is even small chance that you'd lose/gain MMR randomly. Just to throw off people trying to discover the equations.
 
Also, I think MMR could work even better if it somehow detected if you're in a very unbalanced match. It's easy to get kills and not die if your team is much better than enemy. And vice-versa. If you're in team of complete scrubs, it's sometimes really hard to score any kills, or keep KDR over 1.0.
 
And then, invariably, you lose MMR.
 
EDIT: I've just played some match, look at this screenshoot: http://images.akamai...BDB121E9F29DE9/
 
a) server was ~~50 MMR above mine
b) I was in the upper-half by score. Specifically, third. Close to second one.
c) KDR exactly 1.0
 
 
Aaaaand I've lost about 5 MMR points.
 
So it can't be as simple as "be at the top of scoreboard".

It is possible you top scored your own team but the other team outscored you ? im not saying i know any of this for a fact, its just simply based on my experiences on pretty meticulous mmr farming and what i've heard from other people. If anyone with more understanding knows about this please correct me.

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Killing 1 strong player will boost your MMR much


So, basically exactly what I said then.

That's not even remotely close to what i said and you know it.

 

Such a vague comment and you didn't include any mention of the server MMR average.

 

You have no idea what you are talking about, do you ?


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As seen on the screenshoot, I've had more score than everyone on opposing team but leader.



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As seen on the screenshoot, I've had more score than everyone on opposing team but leader.

Ohhhh derp. Im really sorry, im doing all this shitposting on a tablet and i totally missed your screenshot there.
I've no idea what happened there, as i could pretty much swear i've never lost mmr without bottom scoring heavily, or playing in a seriously low mmr server.

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As seen on the screenshoot, I've had more score than everyone on opposing team but leader.

 Sadlay there has been several occasions where the MMR system has shown it has a few mild flaws ;) Generaly because the system has been slightly damaged by countless smurfs etc etc.

 

 

That's not even remotely close to what i said and you know it.

 

Such a vague comment and you didn't include any mention of the server MMR average.

 

You have no idea what you are talking about, do you ?

 

Im glad it wasnt me that had to point this out once again....

 

 

I don't seek out new players to boost my MMR- doing so would actually hurt me more than it helped me- something you'd know if you knew how MMR works. Killing 1 strong player will boost your MMR much, much more than killing a dozen newbies. If I end up in a low MMR server, it's because all the others are full and match maker hates me ( that is actually the ONLY way to get into a low MMR server as it happens ).

 

I don't use scanners anymore, haven't done for over a month- I can't say my play style has changed much really which is certainly interesting and I'm thankful for the GOOD players for changing my way of thinking about scanners and scramblers. I don't use extractors on ANY of my mechs, that I can remember ( not that I see a problem with extractors- I don't orb lord with a brawler like many guys complain about ). 

 

Sometimes i wonder if you think other people are stupid... or if you are actually that dumb...

 

You realize people can check the average MMR of a server using the app, then join the desired server using the list right?

 

so..

a ) No.. quing is no the only way for you to stomp some noobs..

b ) 1 month of not using scanners does not remove skrub status

 

 

< 1600 MMR; lol. Poor darling needs to GET GUD.

 

( I'm sitting at 2102 MMR right now, just for reference )

 

XD

 

I dont mean to be/ come across rude man, but you purposely jumped on a bandwagon and tried to make yourself feel better by making a joke about my mmr...

which i will point out floats between 1550 -1700 depending on how picky i am about server connection...

when you have made several posts in the past contradiction the very quote above...

LAST TIME you did this and I Quoted said contradiction and you reported me and got me suspended - Golf clap -

 

Yeah bruh... as far as I'm concerned you have zero right to make any kinda joke about my mmr... or tell ANYONE to GET GUD...

 

do i need to find and quote the dear Amid putting you in your place LAST TIME?

 

no?

good,

K thanks Bai Bai...


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Hold on bruh Whut?

 

I need a few to recover from the Laughing fit!!!

 

you think amid was protecting me? LMFAO

 

and my comments on the forums upset you?

 

<  Poor darling needs to stop being SO fuzzy bunnyEN SOFT

 

Amid dont even LIKE me fool... in fact most people dont, because

1: im honest

2: I wont kiss your ass for being a long time player

3: I call your fuzzy bunny

 

so...

 

1 : Im not in you so called GANG either...

 

I play with TDM and random pubs... get a clue before you try call me on fuzzy bunny you dont know dude...

 

Ok so before you carry on feeling all special Here is a little thought.

 

My MMR WAS higher,

 

then i started punching up and purposely trying to play against the best players in the game.

 

so lets compare your top mech with my Discarded OLD top mech

 

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YOUR ZERK

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I admit, most of your mechs have a postive K/D and thats nice...

 

But most of my mechs have 2x or even 3x the kills and assists as you....

 

of my 459 hours game play, 200 were just for fuzzy bunnyen kicks yolo diving etc etc... I have a feeling you dont play hawken for fun... so you may not understand that principle

 

the fact that you run off to the devs and say " oh please help me demi said mean things to me " is a blatant display of your personality

 

also a contradiction to how you say " amid isnt here to protect you " as if he ever fuzzy bunnyen did

 

you have on several occasions in the past made comments about noob stomping for your stats... IF you like we can repeat me quoting them and you can run off like a little fuzzy bunny and complain to the mods again.... since that is your style

 

but dude... i would rather you just stop talking fuzzy bunny.... so many times i have seen you say fuzzy bunny and be told by half the population your wrong, but you go till your blue in the face...

 

TL;DR- let's just go back to hating eachother in silence; I think it's better that way.

 

Amid isn't here to protect you and like your posts any more; I wonder why... :) Given the awful, spiteful, patronising comments you've hurled at me in the past, don't expect any special treatment moving forward- the little gang is on the devs radar and they've all gone very quiet now that they know they can't get away with posting vile comments any longer.

 

1700 MMR is still low for someone with 450+ hours of play time, ping be damned.

 

I was not aware you could use software to select which server to join- I'm not the kind of person to take advantage of such a thing ( I understand it can be used for teams to all join the same server though ), otherwise I sure as heck wouldn't be joining servers full of imbeciles, trust me on that one.

 

-snip-

 

Regards scanners- it is not 'skrub' to use them, they are a game feature and plenty of people use them- it's just that certain whiny kids think they are OP so they would rather use the extra slot to hold emps- cos spamming those isn't scruby at all, nah.... o_0 I've moved on though- you don't find too many scrubs with 2100 MMR, plenty of Scout abusers though...

 

Like I've said before, I give as good as I get.  Regards TDM meetings, I'm not a member of 'the gang'- I'd rather play with myself :D

 

this makes me laugh, you actually think i have time to HATE you?

dude i couldn't give a flying fuzzy bunny about your existence... fullstop!

 

as to  your comments on scanners you are right, high mmr players dont use them because of TPG rules... you didnt know about Herokapp and yet you used to to check my stats? -- cough fuzzy bunny cough --

 

and as for TDM dude... i invited you to come play with us because i wanna see if your as good in the game as you are at running your mouth in the forums....

 

I knew you wouldnt TAKE the invite because that would involve the reality of punching up... aiming high... challenging yourself...

 

something you dont seem to do...


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BWG you sound like a kid who have just discovered sarcasm, you're incompetent at defending yourself and downright annoying to read, listen and play with.
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Your and you're are not interchangeable.

 

Neither are "regards" and "regarding"


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Neither are "regards" and "regarding"

Chalk and cheese my dear- I was going for brevity and shortened an expression; not knowing the difference between your and you're is very, very different. Of course Nept likes your post though, I just wonder if he'll be brave enough to open his mouth; I'm sure he doesn't want any more warning points- he had a good cry about that the other day, didn't he? :)


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Regards scanners- it is not 'skrub' to use them, they are a game feature and plenty of people use them- it's just that certain whiny kids think they are OP so they would rather use the extra slot to hold emps- cos spamming those isn't scruby at all, nah.... o_0 I

 

Scanners are almost universally reviled within the forum and competitive Hawken communities.  Their TPG ban was completely uncontested.

 

Also, you're looking for "regarding," not "regards".  They're not interchangeable.


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BWG you sound like a kid who have just discovered sarcasm, you're incompetent at defending yourself and downright annoying to read, listen and play with.

 

Lol. I only state facts, go read my posts and .. oh, you can't see the deleted posts that I was replying to; guess I defended myself quite well if that's the case.


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Lol. I only state facts, go read my posts and .. oh, you can't see the deleted posts that I was replying to; guess I defended myself quite well if that's the case.

You state facts like a smirmy little kid then. I kinda expect that grown-ups argue better than some piece of filth teenager.
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Scanners are almost universally reviled within the forum and competitive Hawken communities.  Their TPG ban was completely uncontested.

 

Also, you're looking for "regarding," not "regards".  They're not interchangeable.

 

You do understand the sarcastic nature of me continuing to use regards instead of regarding, right? Or did that fly over your head too? Also, brevity. Also, I don't care if scanners were banned from your little get togethers, we already resolved that issue a long time ago- you need to....

 

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find something other than that to pick me up on, it's very, very old now...


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You state facts like a smirmy little kid then. I kinda expect that grown-ups argue better than some piece of filth teenager.

 I'm 33- GG.

 

So, if I defend myself badly, I'm a loser, if I defend myself well, I'm a little kid- can't win with you, no pleasing some people. Have a lolly pop and a gold star for your efforts. I'll ignore the fact that you were a teenager once too, nice work insulting your past self. 

 

 

EDIT: oh wow, what have I done- seems like the whole gang has turned up. I'm off to bed anyway- have fun fighting those straw-men guys...


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I'm 33- GG.

So, if I defend myself badly, I'm a loser, if I defend myself well, I'm a little kid- can't win with you, no pleasing some people. Have a lolly pop and a gold star for your efforts. I'll ignore the fact that you were a teenager once too, nice work insulting your past self.


EDIT: oh wow, what have I done- seems like the whole gang has turned up. I'm off to bed anyway- have fun fighting those straw-men guys...

I never commented about you having defended yourself in a good way, I only state that I believe you are being snarky and sarcastic in a discussion where it wasn't needed. You have also shown no willingness in accepting that people will disagree with your opinion, blaming people for being part of Nept's "gang", when that is rather the common opinion to people here on the forums, and Nept being the most well-known of those people.

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I am totally envious of kindos7's 3.14 mmr, and it's not even the coolest thing about him.
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If you're part of Nept's gang you're automatically a bully and wrong about everything

Sounds logical
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Im still laughing...

 

the self contradiction is about the realest part of you BWG...

 

Bless the "find content" button ^_^

 

as for for the "antipodean geezer" part...

the lawls are soo real you would never understand...

 

and yea bruh, my stats arnt perfect... because i dont smurf never have and never will...

I have used the same account since i first started...

 

I dont abandon matchs, i dont care if i lose, I DO yolo dive.. i have FUN...

 

my only advice to you dude... get a clue


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Demi I love you but why are you wasting your time with him? It'd be more productive to scream at the sky.


You both suck and should stfu <3

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what can i say....

 

Im not one to give up? though you are right, sometimes you have to realize

 

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Well, mmr gain loss is weighted on your score compared to average score.

If you have a high mmr, and are placed in a server that has an average mmr much lower than yours, and still topscore, your mmr may still drop, depending on how far your score is above the rest of the players in the server.

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in a way that explains a bit about my mmr not moving much....

 

I play 4-5 games ina pub with same ish mmr as other players.. goes up or down a little depending on how much yolo etc...

 

I play at TDM practice, prob the lowest MMR there, dont really top score... but it hardly moves...


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Im still laughing...

 

the self contradiction is about the realest part of you BWG...

 

Bless the "find content" button ^_^

 

as for for the "antipodean geezer" part...

the lawls are soo real you would never understand...

 

and yea bruh, my stats arnt perfect... because i dont smurf never have and never will...

I have used the same account since i first started...

 

I dont abandon matchs, i dont care if i lose, I DO yolo dive.. i have FUN...

 

my only advice to you dude... get a clue

 

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How can I be a smurf with a ~3 year old account at 2100 MMR? Spock would say "that's highly illogical".

 

If your local servers are the Oceania ones, then you are indeed antipodean- geezer is just a synonym for bloke, guy or person- not sure why you find that funny but anyways...

 

Regards the 'gang'- you are easily identified by the fact a small number of you always like eachothers posts- I could put it down to to post-liking in order to artificially inlfate your forum stats... and I will, since many of you see it as an inside joke of sorts. Still, the gang is the gang- the fact you all turn up when one of you is in a debate and throw your 2 pence into the discussion just goes to prove it. Deny it as much as you like though, doesn't change the fact it's true. Whether you see yourselves as bullies or not is also besides the point- if one of you has a personal beef with an outsider, then you all do ( and all turn up, as we have just seen happen in this very thread- funny that ).

 

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Look dude..

 

because i LIVE in new zealand now... dont mean fuzzy bunny...

 

I will tell you a little something, REAL people have goals, ambitions, they relocate...

I was born in tenne, and to be honest, Im not a nice guy, ( no duh ) its common knowledge that I look like the kinda guy that would prob do some very bad things ^_^

 

truth is, i am actually quite nice unless you deserve otherwise....

as for the Geezer part... really bro, if your gonna resort to childish name calling at lease make it something that is either actually going to offend me, relevant, or at least beyond a snicker of amusement....

 

Edit : BTW dude

 

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no wonder you piss people off... you dont know what the words you use MEAN
so....
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I have on several occasions thought that you were just misunderstood, that your not so great with putting your thoughts into words...

that however seems not to be the case,

 

you can keep talking about this little "gang" of like sharers or what ever but here is the fact about that, its called FRIENDS bruh... maybe if you weren't such a twatwaffle you would have some...

there is a little logic... spook eat his little vulcan heart out...

 

did it occur to you that the reason you end up with a group of people telling you that your wrong, is maybe because you are actually wrong?

 

WHAT IF!!!

there was no gang, just a community of friendly players that constantly saw someone talking out his ass about stuff he literally seems to know nothing about...

 

life aint all digimon and fuzzy bunnyen rainbows man, you say your 33? act like it.....


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Look dude..

 

 

life aint all digimon and fuzzy bunnyen rainbows man, you say your (insert age here)? act like it.....

 


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-thats how you talk-

 

Yes silver, as someone that HAS spoken to me on TS, you would know... i appreciate the fact that you KNOW what your talking about....


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as for the Geezer part...


There is only one Geezer that matters...


Edited by _incitatus, 08 August 2016 - 03:52 PM.

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There is only one Geezer 

One Geezer to rule them all, One Geezer to find them. One Geezer to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.


Edited by DallasCreeper, 08 August 2016 - 06:12 PM.

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geezer
 
noun
  1. manguy (informal), malegentlemanbloke (Britishinformal), chap (informal) • an old bald geezer in a raincoat

It seems that someone has confused 'simplified American English' with real English- you'll note the 'Bloke' and 'Guy' synonyms, just as BWG stated. I wonder, who is it here that is really speaking out of their derriere?

 

http://www.collinsdi...hesaurus/geezer

 

 

Oh, and with regards the gang vs friends issue- you do realize that members of a gang are usually friends? That doesn't mean that the gang  or its actions and behaviour is excusable or acceptable. Try and show a little more psychological prowess, please, especially if you insist on debating points that are already proven beyond any doubt.


Edited by KamikazeCommando, 10 August 2016 - 07:35 AM.

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This one has clearly gone completely off the rails. I'll be closing it down.

 

In the future, remain civil in talking with your fellow players. Direct arguments should be taken to PMs as to not derail the conversation.


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