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I haven't discussed this bit with any admins asides from Xacius, but I wanted to write something quickly so that people were aware of our likely stance before they purchased private servers.

 

As far as I'm concerned, central servers remain the most fair option for North American players.  If you are a TPG participant, or if you plan on participating in the future, I would recommend selecting a Central server.  I don't know whether server regions will be selectable or changeable (and if they aren't, I suggest that those options be added), but if/when those options are made available, your safest bet is Central.

 

Teams are, of course, free to agree amongst themselves on a non-Central server, but if disputes arise, admins will likely push you toward Centrals.  This policy will certainly be the case for the remainder of Season 2, and may be the case for Season 3.  We will be discussing it in-depth, however, so things may change in the future.


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With the exception of myself, I don't think there's any non NA player in the league. And you know I don't ask for much  :rolleyes:

 

The thing is, if I know there aren't any players in the enemy team from Alaska or such far location who will end up having like 130 ping in USE (which is not good by their standards usually), then I will likely request playing in USE. But I'm not really sure if there are any private ones there up ATM.


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There needs to be Chicago servers. Best balance between E/W and N/S I've found.


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Yeah, I would love Chicago servers.

 

And yes, Elite - you're more than welcome to make the request.  Can't really see many teams refusing it either.  But technically, they would be allowed to refuse the request and force a central server selection.



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private servers will make comp so rad , chitown is best town


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Chicagooooo!!! WOOOOOO


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Yeah, I actually included a request for Chicago when the tickets went up "if they were planning on expanding." Of course, I did this because I live in Toronto and would like a ping somewhere around 40 again.

 

IIRC though, the costs are slightly higher there.



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We should look at playing in Kansas again.

 

For scrams the next two weeks TDM, THC and Tang should get a server or two in Kansass.   Someone record pings and regions for people playing.

The following two weeks play Dallas.  Record pings and player regions.

 

Use numbers like

Total Average ping to Dallas vs Kansas

Instances of players 10-30 ping to Dallas vs Kansas

Instances of players 30-50 ping to Dallas vs Kansas

Instances of players 50-70 ping to Dallas vs Kansas

Instances of players 70-85 ping to Dallas vs Kansas

Instances of players 85-110 ping to Dallas vs Kansas

Instances of players >110 ping to Dallas vs Kansas

 

 

These ranges were chosen kind of arbitrarily.  85-110 seems to get a similar level of funk to me, but we can discuss where to set boundaries.

To me maybe decreasing the number of players over 85 could be more beneficial then using the total average ping.  Total average could be skewed low by a bunch of people getting 30 ping and a handful getting 100.  Thought this could be a worthwhile experiment to do in the off-season.

 

EDIT: I know Josh ran these numbers before, but I'd like this test performed with active competitive community members.


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I know at least one two other west coast player who, like me, prefers Dallas servers over the other central servers. Next would be Chicago, then Kansas. Dallas ping is usually in the 60s for the west coast players I've spoken to, with Chicago in the 70s and Kansas in the 80s.

 

3/12/2016: Now I'm getting better ping on Kansas (high 70s) than Chicago (high 80s). Dallas is still 67-77.

 

They're all better than NJ.


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Wheres ur data brah?


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I know at least one two other west coast player who, like me, prefers Dallas servers over the other central servers. Next would be Chicago, then Kansas. Dallas ping is usually in the 60s for the west coast players I've spoken to, with Chicago in the 70s and Kansas in the 80s.

 

They're all better than NJ.

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I just wanted somebody to make pretty plots and tables, but anecdotes will have to do.


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Poop, I have already asked that The Green Room be moved to Kansass, because Dallas seems to be in Chicago, LA sucks, and NJ sucks.



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What's the average ping you non-westerners get for Dallas, Chicago, and Kansas?


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What's the average ping you non-westerners get for Dallas, Chicago, and Kansas?

 

Dallas: 40 or 110 (Changes randomly between matches, if I disconnect and reconnect, it goes back down to 40)

Chicago:  30 or 110 (Again, changes randomly)

Kansas: 45


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I get 70-ish to Dallas, 120-150 to NJ (which is only just shy of what I got to EU servers. wtf), 30-40 to Chicago, and 50-ish to Kansas IIRC.


Edited by Hyginos, 04 March 2016 - 08:46 AM.

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I didn't realize that Dallas could yield that kind of ping for you guys.

 

With that in mind, I vote Chicago. Kansas may only have 10 higher ping than Chicago for us westerners, but the lag experience is disproportionately worse than what you'd expect for +10 ping.

 

Kansas.


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I just wanted somebody to make pretty plots and tables, but anecdotes will have to do.

With Josh gone, don't expect any nice diagrams anymore.


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I know at least one two other west coast player who, like me, prefers Dallas servers over the other central servers. Next would be Chicago, then Kansas. Dallas ping is usually in the 60s for the west coast players I've spoken to, with Chicago in the 70s and Kansas in the 80s.

 

They're all better than NJ.

Im not comp, but i can confirm this, i think its because generally, most west coast players tend to be in the southern part of the west coast, with the exception of Alaska, and Dallas is so much closer due to the fact its also in the south, in comparison to Chicago or Kansas which are more northward.


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I didn't realize that Dallas could yield that kind of ping for you guys.

 

With that in mind, I vote Chicago. Kansas may only have 10 higher ping than Chicago for us westerners, but the lag experience is disproportionately worse than what you'd expect for +10 ping.

 

Some of our thc west coasters get 100+ ping in Chicago and 60ish in Kansass IIRC.



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Some of our thc west coasters get 100+ ping in Chicago and 60ish in Kansass IIRC.

 

I hadn't heard of that from the westerners I've spoken to - which isn't many.

 

The general consensus I've gathered from them is that Dallas is our midwestern savior.

 

Kansas City is an abomination that crawled out of Lag Valley and slithered to the midwest, where it now lies in wait for unsuspecting westerners to fall into its ping-infested maw.


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I'm west coast, and I get much better ping to Kansas City than to Chicago.



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Since this isn't going my way, does anyone else remember when Ashburn servers weren't in Ashburn?


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Guys this is going to vary from provider to provider as the routing changes.


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Is this routing you speak of something I can call up my ISP and yell at them to change for me? Or is that like calling up the state and telling them to divert a highway to exit near my house?


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Is this routing you speak of something I can call up my ISP and yell at them to change for me? Or is that like calling up the state and telling them to divert a highway to exit near my house?

 

EDIT: No, wait, go ahead and yell at them. Also, record.


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In all seriousness, I totally would if I had a sense of how to go about it beyond, "Here's my IP, here's the server's IP, now make magic happen".

 

Edit: a quick Google search confirms my suspicion that asking my ISP to reroute traffic is essentially a non-starter


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In all seriousness, I totally would if I had a sense of how to go about it beyond, "Here's my IP, here's the server's IP, now make magic happen".

 

I'd love that to be possible, but it isn't. There's one company on the planet with the money and clout to make that happen and that's Riot Games.


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