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It seems now that HAWKEN has not only been rated for Xbox One, but just recently the PS4 as well:

 

Article:

 

http://www.gamereact...4 and Xbox One/

 

PEGI Rating Page:

 

http://www.pegi.info...h#searchresults

 

It seems most are guessing we'll find out more at E3, so within a week.

 

Does this throw out the idea of cross-platform play from console to PC? Is this good or bad for the PC version? Good or bad idea? General thoughts?


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My initial opinion is that it can only be a good thing for HAWKEN in the long run.


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If it's not cross platform it will be interesting how the competitive leagues that will inevitably arise in the two consoles differ, because I honestly don't think current users will buy a whole new console just to play the same game differently(I mean, I'm totally going to buy a console sometime this year and partially because of hawken). At least not everyone in a clan anyway.



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No offense to the current DEVs, but how could it possibly get worse for us short of them shutting Hawken for PC down completely?  Right now we don't get regular updates, so its hard to imagine that getting worse.  We get hardly any new players, so I can't imagine that getting worse.  Even if it makes PS4 and XBox One owners Google Hawken, find out they can try it for free on the PC, and play just one match, this is better than the visibility that we have right now.

 

In other words I think that ANY additional visibility for this game would be a very good thing.

 

Is there the real possibility or fear that once it is on those platforms they will completely shut down the PC option?  If they did want to do this, what would be the reason?  Does it really cost them a lot of money for me to play right now?


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I'm going to say my programming expertise is limited to programming a few custom cheats for ds on an action replay, however I would think that if a programming team could port a game from PC to both Xbox and Play Station, they should know the code well enough to be able to update the game. As far as incentive to update goes: I feel it would be borderline criminal to let the PC version of this game die with all the effort and love that went into. Not to mention that if they can keep all 3 platforms up and running I don't see why they wouldn't continue to update the PC version



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Cool.

 

Where's our fuzzing content?


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What are some good examples of a popular multiplayer PC FPS with cross-platform support?


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Interesting read when I Googled "cross-platforming".  In short, we're too good :)

 

http://gizmodo.com/5...-gaming-project



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What are some good examples of a popular multiplayer PC FPS with cross-platform support?

 

Although I am yet to play it myself, Warthunder seems to have cross-platform, despite it being third person.

 

IMO it's more viable with HAWKEN than it would be for something like CS:GO because of the turncap, but PC players would still have a large advantage.


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Cool.

 

Where's our fuzzing content?

True. If they just port it to consoles, but don't actually add anything new, then what's the point?/who fuzzy bunnyng cares?
The obvious scheme to milk a new audience with minimal effort would be obvious.


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What are some good examples of a popular multiplayer PC FPS with cross-platform support?

 

Haven't played it, but I think Warframe is another. Though it's third-person as well.

Actually, what if the console version of the game was played in third person? I know you can switch to third person in the explore maps option.


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Haven't played it, but I think Warframe is another. Though it's third-person as well.

Actually, what if the console version of the game was played in third person? I know you can switch to third person in the explore maps option.

 

Warframe is multi platform, but not cross platform: the systems all have separate patches and servers.

 

As far as I know the only game out right now that has actual cross platform play is rocket league. This is as much, I think, because of the technical challenges of talking between the various walled gardens as anything else, but I doubt Reloaded would be dumb enough to do a shooter in cross platform.

 

As for competitive leagues: TPG will keep being a thing (assuming there are enough patches to keep people interested), and the consoles will probably just have nothing. Organised comp scenes for niche shooters with only a few hundred players seems to be a fairly PC exclusive phenomenon.

 

The PC vs console thing always seems to go back to that article linked earlier in the thread despite the fact that it is largely anecdotal and really old. Does anyone have a more rigorous source than that?


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This is really exciting! Hopefully we do see something on stage at E3 this year.

 

Piecing some stuff together off the top of the head:

 

Remember that Hawken was going to be a $15 Xbox 360 Arcarde title.

Then it switched to be a PC only game as free 2 play model.

Then it was front and center in the initial Oculus VR hype train at gamescoms, and NVIDIA showcases, a few years back.

 

What is happening now? VR is finally making the big consumer splash, mechs are in a lot of main stream games now, and the devs have been continuously assuring us that something big was happening involving "exciting new partners". Playstation and Xbox are releasing VR ready consoles. Free 2 play games have proven themselves as viable on new gen consoles. How long do you think it would take to port a game like Hawken to a PC-like console such as the PS4 or XboxONE? A year and a half? Two years? Timing seems about right all things considered. 

 

As for cross platform support? That is unlikely but possible. At least maybe between XboxONE and PC or PS4 and PC. Definitely not PS4, XboxONE, and PC together. Sony has already said that is out of the question for any games on the Playstation.

 

Would this hurt the PC community for Hawken? No, any publicity is good publicity for Hawken on PC at this point. 

 

For the most part just speculation. But one could hope. I would definitely buy Hawken for the PS4. Nice detective work Miscellaneous.

 

If this is all true X-Ployt is about to be #1 Hawken player on console lol.....


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Until I see word from Reloaded regarding whether this means PC is left in the dust or not as a result, or that the PC build will either be taking priority or not, I'm not phased by this.
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Warframe is multi platform, but not cross platform: the systems all have separate patches and servers.

 

As far as I know the only game out right now that has actual cross platform play is rocket league. This is as much, I think, because of the technical challenges of talking between the various walled gardens as anything else, but I doubt Reloaded would be dumb enough to do a shooter in cross platform.

 

As for competitive leagues: TPG will keep being a thing (assuming there are enough patches to keep people interested), and the consoles will probably just have nothing. Organised comp scenes for niche shooters with only a few hundred players seems to be a fairly PC exclusive phenomenon.

 

The PC vs console thing always seems to go back to that article linked earlier in the thread despite the fact that it is largely anecdotal and really old. Does anyone have a more rigorous source than that?

 

Other than personal experience, no.  

 

I played Halo multiplayer on GameSpy arcade before XBox Live was even a thing and Halo 2 on PC and console. The difference between the two was night and day.

 

Also, here's the original source.



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Would console gamers even want to coexist in the same server ecosystem as PC gamers?  

 

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True. If they just port it to consoles, but don't actually add anything new, then what's the point?/who fuzzy bunnyng cares?
The obvious scheme to milk a new audience with minimal effort would be obvious.


Thats not how it works. Adhesive went broke "milking" the PC audience, and Reloaded has been loosing money every day since acquisition of the property. Simply placing the game in front of new eyes isn't going to change the fact that Hawken is in its current form a complete failure as far as player retention is concerned. Rehashing current Hawken on the consoles will fail faster than it did on PC; there is nothing to milk.

In order for Hawken to work on any platform there needs to be more content and more importantly a change in the formula.
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Would console gamers even want to coexist in the same server ecosystem as PC gamers?  

 

https://www.reddit.c...n_rocket_league

 

 

Doubtful.  Cheating aside, they'd get riggity, riggity, rekt in an fps; unless they were provided ample aim assist, of course.


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Doubtful.  Cheating aside, they'd get riggity, riggity, rekt in an fps; unless they were provided ample aim assist, of course.

I don't think aim assist will do any good, because most secondaries require leading.



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I don't think aim assist will do any good, because most secondaries require leading.

how about Sniper , Reaper , predator Breacher 



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...and Reloaded has been loosing money every day since acquisition of the property...

 

I don't disagree that this is probably the case, but be careful throwing out statements that we can't back up with actual numbers.

 

It also isn't necessarily unexpected. I think RLD would have known what kind of income Hawken was pulling down before they bought the thing, and as with any investment there will be some time before it breaks even on the initial cost and starts being profitable. As we keep seeing these rumblings of console ports and stuff totally happening this is probably still the investment stage: RLD doesn't expect ROI to break even yet.

 

Also ADH was sunk, from my understanding, by an overzealous business plan from MTR. No matter what they do, RLD would have an extremely difficult time over promising and under delivering as hard as MTR did.

 

Here is another article I was able to find on pc vs console shooters. I have heard a lot of bad things about netcode in titanfall though so who knows how valid this is.


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If its a one time purchase all they need to do is get a few hundred k or a million people to buy it.  They'd be ahead enough at that point.  Gotta remember that hawken was only bought for $30K


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anyone else considering picking up a console just for this? im seriously considering it if they provide mouse and keyboard support for it.


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What are some good examples of a popular multiplayer PC FPS with cross-platform support?

FFXI was on PC, PS2, and 360 at the same time, same servers. - I would say it was popular at the time.



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Oh I'm definitely getting a console for this at some point. Iv'e been wanting to play with a controller for over a year now and my computer refuses to recognize any compatible controller I try. It's super frustrating after many hours of troubleshooting that accomplished nothing. Plus, my only form of dvd player at this point is still me nearly 70 lb desktop and if I want to put on a movie night with my homies I can't lug that thing around.



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FFXI was on PC, PS2, and 360 at the same time, same servers. - I would say it was popular at the time.

 

That was a FPS? I haven't played it, but I thought all FF games were RPGs.

 

Edit: the only FF experience I have is FF7 and FF8.

 

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anyone else considering picking up a console just for this? im seriously considering it if they provide mouse and keyboard support for it.

 

No. Hawken isn't worth $200+. PC or nothing.

 

Edit: APPARENTLY SOMEONE'S FEELERS GOT HURT SO I AM GOING TO CLARIFY THAT THE ABOVE STATED OPINION IS MY OWN

 

Edit2: but I will get a console for the remake of FF7


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How kind of you to answer a question directed at everyone with a definitive answer FOR us.

 

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How kind of you to answer a question directed at everyone with a definitive answer FOR us.

 

How kind of you to assume that I was trying to speak on everyone's behalf FOR me.


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Hawken isn't worth $200.


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I will bet the consoles max at 60fps. Who wants that



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I absolutely refuse to downgrade to a console, even for my most adored game ever. I WILL NOT BECOME A CONSOLE PEASANT!
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Yea as much as I love Hawken, if they ever killed the pc version and it became console only, I wouldn't play it.



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weird, cause the article gives that link and it shows 505Games as Publisher. So the game is bought from them ? At least those, seem as active developers, i think... Also at 505's announcement/blog for E3 of this year (2016..) they mention that will announce one more game.

 

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Not sure Id make that switch either.  Maybe when consoles have intertial controllers and VR headsets.


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Played the fuzzy bunny out of the original Xbox...that same year started playing games on a PC and never looked back. Though I must admit I did buy a Xbox 360 a few years ago. Played Halo 4 ? a few times and it has been sitting in the closet collecting dust ever since...still in the box and has that new car smell to it.

 

Both those consoles are the Halo Limited edition models.....pretty cool. 

 

But, point is...I probably don't see myself playing on a console ( though you never know) because I really don't care to, even if it was the only option left for Hawken. 


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New Titanfall 28-Oct will have melee mechs and a single-player campaign:

 

http://news.google.c...=tc&st=1&at=dt0

 

"the game's rumored grappling hook gameplay"


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New Titanfall 28-Oct will have melee mechs and a single-player campaign:

 

"the game's rumored grappling hook gameplay"

 

Oh boy. I bet they even have mini nukes and back dodging.


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