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The huge fights, the mayhem, the fun.  Returning to measly 12-16 man servers tonight, I realized just how much more I enjoy the larger matches.  The smaller servers I would join occasionally when the 24-mans were full, and they seemed fine.  But with the large ones gone completely, I'm finding these smaller ones are no longer to my taste.  Which probably explains why I never played Hawken obsessively until recently.  But after tonight, I'm losing that obsession quickly.

 

This is just a matter of taste, of course.  Maybe more people like small matches.  You do hear complaints from the occasional person who doesn't seem to realize they can pick a different server.  So here is my complaint that they are gone.


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Yup! Would definitely spice up Facility and Bunker!


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24 man servers should only be private. Rest should be 12 man servers exclusively. At this point no HAWKEN maps are suited for even 14 players. If anything it means more chaos and added connectivity fuzzy bunny.


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Well you can choose to join those servers or not.  If they don't exist, I have no choice.

 

But yeah, I'm probably just gonna take a break for a few months then.



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I thought I saw some 24-man servers today.  Might be wrong, though.



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I'm fine with public 24 man servers. Just make it a separate game mode as far as mm is concerned.


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I'm fine with public 24 man servers. Just make it a separate game mode as far as mm is concerned.


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I'm fine with public 24 man servers. Just make it a separate game mode as far as mm is concerned.

 


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there are pioneer server owners who have publicly accessible private servers, which are set to mayhem mode. eth0 was banging 24-man bunksiegeclusterfuzz for some time.
 
I like the Idea of having them available, but until the game mode can be implemented(which will take some time, IIRC),  we should appreciate the hospitality of those who provide this for us, and leave mayhem out of standard public rotation.

oops. for continuity:

I'm fine with public 24 man servers. Just make it a separate game mode as far as mm is concerned.


Edited by {TDM} coldform, 02 June 2015 - 09:58 PM.

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there are pioneer server owners who have publicly accessible private servers, which are set to mayhem mode. eth0 was banging 24-man bunksiegeclusterfuzz for some time.

 

I like the Idea of having them available, but until the game mode can be implemented(which will take some time, IIRC),  we should appreciate the hospitality of those who provide this for us, and leave mayhem out of standard public rotation.

Fair point, my suggestion would take a tad bit of development on the mode selection UI. I think this is a no brainer though as far as getting "another gamemode" out without having to do a ton of work.


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I think 24-man servers are fine as long as Bunker is excluded from the rotation.

 

However, let's just... Not make ALL of the servers huge piles of mayhem. Ok?

 

12-man Hawken is teh classic, bestest Hawken in my opinion.


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I've yet to witness the 24-man servers being filled up on EU but I'd certainly like to play on them though. More people there are around, less glaringly obvious how completely incompetent I am as an individual.



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As a rule, 24 player public servers suck. They ruin the game. I have always thought this.

 

However, I absolutely need the ability to set my private servers to 24 players as often we have more than 4 teams of 6 at clan practices and have to go 7's v 7's.    


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Well you can choose to join those servers or not.  If they don't exist, I have no choice.

 

No.

You can't.

A lot of the time the 24 man servers were the only servers or one of the few available to join.


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YES 24 MAN IS BEST MAN


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If I start off prior to match start a 24-man server, I will get in (duh).  If everyone else joins, the MMR average will drop to 1500.

 

I will wreck EVERY newb in the place, dominate, and taunt you all at the end.

 

Rinse.  Repeat.

 

This gets boring to me, and frustrating to the other 23 persons in the server.  This happens, it is a repeatable thing, and I am neither dreaming nor humblebragging.

 

Elsewhere on these forums, I posted about MMR calculations.  In a 24-man, you have to seriously stomp to have your MMR move upward appreciably (and if I'm in the server, I really 'take away' the opportunity by one position.  It doesn't do my MMR any good, seriously).  This means if you play 24-man servers you will be stuck in very low level Hawken for a longer time and not play in servers where you will play better players and live long enough to learn more and improve sooner.


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MOTHAFUKKIN MAYHEM !!!!! Yall just can't handle the awesome.  My only problem with 24man servers is that the only ones I can ever join are in Dallas and LA. The only Ashburn 24 man server I ever get to play is Eth0's pizza-is-pass server (Which is a wonderful place btw).


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If I start off prior to match start a 24-man server, I will get in (duh). If everyone else joins, the MMR average will drop to 1500.

I will wreck EVERY newb in the place, dominate, and taunt you all at the end.

Rinse. Repeat.

This gets boring to me, and frustrating to the other 23 persons in the server. This happens, it is a repeatable thing, and I am neither dreaming nor humblebragging.

Elsewhere on these forums, I posted about MMR calculations. In a 24-man, you have to seriously stomp to have your MMR move upward appreciably (and if I'm in the server, I really 'take away' the opportunity by one position. It doesn't do my MMR any good, seriously). This means if you play 24-man servers you will be stuck in very low level Hawken for a longer time and not play in servers where you will play better players and live long enough to learn more and improve sooner.


This. You want 24 man servers, make friends with people with private servers. By the numbers, 24 man servers are boring, unfair to the vast majority of Hawken and imbalanced as hell.

Mayhem is fun, ON MAPS THAT CAN SUPPORT IT. And once in a while.
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I personaly hate large matches beyand 6v6.  This is because of map size.  now if they were on a larger map a much larger map I might be for it ....I  am not really sure secodly any game that are past 6v6 should be given there own game mode just call it mayhem.

 

  At the  moment I find mayhem matchs take all tatical skilled play and just turns it into a situation wher everyone is every where all the time. Do not even bother to take cover or look at radar in thes games because threr will be no cover you will just move into a space somone else  will get a angle on you. As well if i was playing these to win with a team I  would have my intire team play incineraters and grenider  with a few tecks with redox O2 to maxmmise damage and heal  other team would not have a chance one we hunkerd down in a place with one or two choke points.

 

Makee any extended player matche past 6v6  mayhem matches ther own game mode I do not find them enjoysble at all now I just leve when I am place in them. Several of my friends do the same. The maps are just two small.


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Here we go again. At least I don't have to tell you the password is pizza anymore.

 

JOIN ASHBURN-SG24M FOR 24/7 MAYHEM SIEGE
 

I think 24-man servers are fine as long as Bunker is excluded from the rotation.

Fuzzy bunny you, my server has bunker between every other map.

 

EDIT:

 

Well you can choose to join those servers or not.  If they don't exist, I have no choice.

 

But yeah, I'm probably just gonna take a break for a few months then.

Use the server browser and sort by players? But they're probably empty anyway.


Edited by eth0, 03 June 2015 - 07:50 AM.

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YES.

I loved the 24 player matches.  I get that some people don't like them and I encourage those people to not play them.  For those of us who enjoyed the drastic change in tactics and strategy these provided, why not have them available?

The only thing that was wrong with them was making them part of the auto-matchmaker system.


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I get that some people don't like them and I encourage those people to not play them.

The problem with that was that servers that big suck players away from other normal-sized lobbies for those of us that do want to play other games. It's happened to me several times where there simply aren't any other options because everyone gravitates to where the players are.

If they weren't in matchmaking then it might be less of a problem, but I mostly agree with the other posters in this thread saying that private servers are probably enough to satisfy mayhem needs.

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Yes and no. Yes to 24 servers for special events (private or whatever), but I really don't want to be thrown in a 24 server by the MM when dare to give a try to the MM to find a game.


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\This is it. 

 

I have found it.

 

I have found the edgiest, try-hardiest post on the forums.

 

Everyone go home, we're done here, there's nothing else to say because Heero Yuy here is going to kill a dude.

 

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Question to OP: 16 man is really measly to you? Don't you find it packed enough when it's full?



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Wow, you need a hobby. Lighten up.

 

I've been the most vocal pilot against 24m on the forums and live streams.

 

https://community.pl...ike/#entry29741

Anything about 24m as a viable game mode deserves as much thought and attention as I have posted.


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