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The 36M is a heavy point defense class mech that is designed to be able to shred through mechs in its line of sight, the only problem being is it can't do that at all.

 

1 unturreted rocketeer easily out DPS's it and there is no damage reduction from being in turret mode, that alongside the lack of movement available when turreted.

 

To clear one thing up: it can move when turreted, but only when boosting, even then it is slow as a snail.

 

That paired up with its abysmal damage output makes it a waste of a mech.  It looks cool, sounds cool, and feels cool, but it is far too weak to be a viable pick


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I remotely recall some of the stats when they were posted, isn't it hella fast for a C-class (and also a squishy)?

 

Either way, it would be nice there was ANY footage for those of us without consoles, I'd rather not just take your word for it.



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I remotely recall some of the stats when they were posted, isn't it hella fast for a C-class (and also a squishy)?

 

Either way, it would be nice there was ANY footage for those of us without consoles, I'd rather not just take your word for it.

It seems to be a little bit faster but not too much and it does feel squishy.

 

And i wish i could but i don't have anything that could record on console : /


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I don't care that much but if people are REALLY desperate for details you could probably snap a pic of its stats with your phone or something.

 

I know there are more PC players that have the console version too, I thought there would be way more footage by now.  Like videos breaking down the new mechs and their weapon, abilities, etc.  We (I) still know so little about the new mechs.



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i have it. its hot garbage. the stats are very similar to vangaurd except for having 575 hp. the console assault is a much better choice. dual vulcans xt do 56 dps each vs 75 dps on dual b3ar-ppa. but assault has much tighter spread and doesnt suffer from spin up time. 36m has a ridiculous spin up time for its vulcans and has laughable amount of spread. hitting targets farther than cqc territory is not advised. you will lose that fight. its only redeeming quality is that its slightly faster than vangaurd, making it the fastest c mech in the game. but you wont be chasing people, you will be running the whole game.


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Absolutely, I agree with the above post. I wanted to get the 36M when it comes out for PC and I'd really like to see a video of it in action.

 

EDIT: I mean the post by Morquedeas


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Absolutely, I agree with the above post. I wanted to get the 36M when it comes out for PC and I'd really like to see a video of it in action.

 

EDIT: I mean the post by Morquedeas

Lets just hope it gets buffed a little before it reaches PC, because the PC's G2 assault is a better pick overall as of right now. and both of them do generally the same thing


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Doesn't it get double damage while in turret mode? Even still, we all know that turret mode is a terrible idea like 9/10 times in PC Hawken so I can imagine this mech being bad, especially with no damage reduction. Having it be similar to the vg stat-wis seems unwise. On the flip side, if it was too tanky or did too much damage, we might end up with a Bastion-esk mech which would be a nightmare.

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Doesn't it get double damage while in turret mode? Even still, we all know that turret mode is a terrible idea like 9/10 times in PC Hawken so I can imagine this mech being bad, especially with no damage reduction. Having it be similar to the vg stat-wis seems unwise. On the flip side, if it was too tanky or did too much damage, we might end up with a Bastion-esk mech which would be a nightmare.


I propose you ask Willy about turret mode being terrible. I suspect he miiight be able to make it work.

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Hawken's really crappy version of Overwatch's Bastion Turret with terribad DPS and a spin up that takes 3 days, basically?


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Hawken's really crappy version of Overwatch's Bastion Turret with terribad DPS and a spin up that takes 3 days, basically?

yep

 

though like i said, you can move, but only while boosting and its really slow.


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i havent SEEN it in action or played it... so opinion is meh

 

from what i understand it cant move in turret mode at all.... its more of a crawl, like the dual rev gl Grenadier

 

the turret mode would be definitely op if not for that


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Dunno, with zero DR and 575 armor, pretty sure rooting yourself in turret mode would just be asking to get killed.  Turret mode is also EMP bait, though I suppose this isn't such a big issue on the consoles since like 1 mech has EMP afaik.  They should probably reduce the spread (if it's as bad as people say), reduce the damage bonus, and make the mech significantly more tank.


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again... without seeing it in action its kinda hard to tell really


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again... without seeing it in action its kinda hard to tell really

 

actually not. it can't be good, because 36m have absolutely identical drawbacks like g2-salt. waste of credits.

also, making turret mode without armor is a great joke. no speed, no armor... only suffering. yeah, this mech is compilation of suffering xD


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actually not. it can't be good, because 36m have absolutely identical drawbacks like g2-salt. waste of credits.

also, making turret mode without armor is a great joke. no speed, no armor... only suffering. yeah, this mech is compilation of suffering xD

 

Except G2 Assault in PC Hawken is actually half decent given it has more armor (585), better movement speed (because it's a B class), a heat flushing ability, and much shorter spin up time.

 

 

G2 Assault is not a waste of credits, this 36M sounds like it is.


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if the 36M comes to PC as is, then it seems that silverfire will be wasting more time in yet another non-meta mech.

 

or, we'll see it occupy the same role as the rocketeer.


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if the 36M comes to PC as is, then it seems that silverfire will be wasting more time in yet another non-meta mech.

 

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Don't talk shiz about the G2 assault... if you're a good pilot it'll ride like a G6.

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he wont be the only one though...

 

to be honest I will waste my time and credits on all the new mechs when (if) we ever get them...


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Something that i forgot to mention, the spinup on the dual PPAs seems to be faster than the PC PPA so its got that going for it i guess.  Though by faster i mean not too much faster, its probably only a little longer than the PC BBY 's spinup.    

 

Though that still doesn't counter the mech's low armor, terrible accuracy, and suicidal turret mode.


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I agree it needs something extra... especially when we launch the next content update and you can switch out its internals and items. It's 'okay' at most with the Heavy Armor internal and 3 of the basic internals. I'm hesitant to change anything until those internal/items changes go out.


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I agree it needs something extra... especially when we launch the next content update and you can switch out its internals and items. It's 'okay' at most with the Heavy Armor internal and 3 of the basic internals. I'm hesitant to change anything until those internal/items changes go out.

 

im presuming you are referring to the console version here?


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im presuming you are referring to the console version here?

 

Yes. The 36M is a console mech.



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Yes. The 36M is a console mech.

 

 

:P it was a subtle dig :P maybe too subtle lol


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It seems to me that the low health just doesn't fit. Lore-wise, if it was a mining mech built to handle super-heavy drilling, it should be pretty tanky. Gameplay-wise, it's supposed to be a heavily defense-focused mech. It should have heavy armor and lower move speed.

 

So, maybe give it Brawler-level health. The Brawler will be more mobile and felxible and have less heat-gen, the 36M will have more raw damage potential. Both would be tanks. 

 

I mean I've never played the Brawler so I'm sorry if I'm not understanding the meta at all. 


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1500 health for 6 seconds, -50% movement speed, ditch turret

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It should have heavy armor and lower move speed.

Spin-up, no range, no burst and low mobility?

Why would you use it over any other C-class, excluding Rocketeer?


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Spin-up, no range, no burst and low mobility?

Why would you use it over any other C-class, excluding Rocketeer?

 

I would think Rocketeer would fare better than 36M considering it has some of the higher air speeds in the game, has burst (albeit kinda crappy burst) with Hellfires and also has Seeker, EOC, and HEAT (all bursty-ish weapons) with practically unlimited range and it can actually move in its also crappy turret mode.


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G2 Assault is not a waste of credits, this 36M sounds like it is.

it is not waste of credits only if you play with aimbot cheats and deleting spread from weapons, to shred everyone in 3-4 sec from any distance. in all other case, g2 and 36m is a waste of credits. no tow - no live (or any sort of explosive secondary, or alpha-strike weapon).

maybe 4 miniguns instead 2 can solve his problems... but probably not  xD
just put it on his arm instead shields


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Nepa,

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I agree it needs something extra... especially when we launch the next content update and you can switch out its internals and items. It's 'okay' at most with the Heavy Armor internal and 3 of the basic internals. I'm hesitant to change anything until those internal/items changes go out.

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it is not waste of credits only if you play with aimbot cheats and deleting spread from weapons, to shred everyone in 3-4 sec from any distance. in all other case, g2 and 36m is a waste of credits. no tow - no live (or any sort of explosive secondary, or alpha-strike weapon).

maybe 4 miniguns instead 2 can solve his problems... but probably not  xD
just put it on his arm instead shields

that or a fire-rate/heat tweak


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with the current PC version of the game the G2A is really OK if you remove the Assault which is somewhat OP and compare it to the more "balanced" CRT-recruit or even the vanguard.

 

The G2A is OK because it has great mobility, it's a bit tanky, the DPS is still correct, and the ability actually helps keeping a constant DPS.

 

Now about the 36M, without a good mobility and without "tankyness" it's just not good enough. But to rebalance that mech can require some amount of "try and error" to reach a sweet spot. I sounds like a bad PPA incin' with lower DPS, less mobility for just a little more hitscan DPS.

 

Another point to be taken into account is that sustain DPS is not really fun to play.

 

I would rather have a dual MMA "G2 incin'" but the "new gren" seems to already fill this slot. So... I don't know what "fun / balanced" stuff could be done with this Mech... maybe change the turret mode for the reaper ability


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Another point to be taken into account is that sustain DPS is not really fun to play.


I think 100% sustain mechs (G2 Assault on PC) are not as fun as mechs with a bursty secondary in combination with a sustain primary.
This may be because in their current state, combined with their inability to engage in corner play, they are... not yet as balanced as the traditional G1 variant in the PC version.
It seems to me that mechs that are 100% burst or "bursty" have some inherent balancing challenges that have largely been met.
Flak Brawler, for example has a huge hp pool as compensation for its relatively long cooldown and Scout has very high speed and mobility.
These two extremes seem to work well to balance them, as it seems like the community considers both to be pretty viable mechs.
In contrast, the G2 Assault is not really a tank nor is it very mobile. As such, it often seems to be a go-to mech for hi tier players who want to intentionally handicap themselves in unbalanced matches, as well as a fun experiment for newer players who unlock it after leveling up the Assault.
I wonder what the community thinks about the possibility of balancing such a mech on PC..

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I suggest you slap an evasive device and a 2 slot power surger on the G2 assault and you'll know what fun truely is.
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I suggest you slap an evasive device and a 2 slot power surger on the G2 assault and you'll know what fun truely is.

dis is x2 times moar fun if you put 2 slot surger in heat-grenadier. because grenadier which can walk with assault speed and heat-cannon... it is always fun. and it is very compatible with corner play. such wow. much grenadier.

and yes. just do it right now. because later you will get in hangar a mistake with two rev-gl.


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That's too easy nepa. Same reason Ive walked away from raider for a little bit. Without bursty or massive armor you've got to be tricky to stay alive. I like living in that space... albeit not long sometimes.

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That's too easy nepa. Same reason Ive walked away from raider for a little bit. Without bursty or massive armor you've got to be tricky to stay alive. I like living in that space... albeit not long sometimes.

it is just, you kill or being killed. you never survive if you team just not safe you azz everytime. if you enemies are not very stupid and have some brain, it is very sad.

the most of problem which i see in this mech - g2-salt is stupid. and 36m is stupid with the same reason.
they (i mean, G2 and 36m) not promoted hawken gameplay.
they not teach player anything, except wait till enemy came closer, and attack him till one of you fall.
they still create for killing nubs faster, and be killed with it if you nub. they also easy mechs to play with cheats (anyway, you still can miss with TOW, or HF, or even MiRV, even if you play with aim) these mechs is not for hawken.

only one positive things in G2 - you can bind 1 and 2 button to Mouse1 n config, and shoot from 2 barrels by pressing left mouse button. seriously. it is good. because it is don't have another advantage in hawken :D

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It advantage is it's a ton of fun. I didn't realize about that button mapping. Ill check that out.

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