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Here's what I've got so far:

  • Everyone in each bracket uses the same mech--primary weapons are unrestricted
  • Either round robin or double elimination depending on the number of participants
  • Brackets are random
  • All participants play together regardless of MMR to keep things uncomplicated
  • No limit to how many different brackets someone can play in
  • First to 10 kills wins
  • No items or internals aside from AC
  • Weapons can be changed at any time before a fight begins
  • Duels happen in Test Arena in the location where both players have the closest ping
  • Matches are played as quickly as participants are able to with their schedules with an upper limit of one week before the match has to be forfeited by a competitor
  • A separate tournament for players outside NA could be set up if enough people want one

 

Thoughts or suggestions? I don't know what would be done about prizes, but I think something like this might be fun even without them. 


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Sounds pretty legit. I would skrub in this


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  • Everyone in each bracket uses the same mech--primary weapons are unrestricted
  • Either round robin or double elimination depending on the number of participants
  • Brackets are random
  • All participants play together regardless of MMR to keep things uncomplicated
  • No limit to how many different brackets someone can play in
  • First to 10 kills wins
  • No items or internals aside from AC
  • Weapons can be changed at any time before a fight begins
  • Duels happen in Test Arena in the location where both players have the closest ping
  • Matches are played as quickly as participants are able to with their schedules with an upper limit of one week before the match has to be forfeited by a competitor
  • A separate tournament for players outside NA could be set up if enough people want one

 

 

 

 

This is cool but this one rule is just disgusting. 

 

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As long as there is a Raider bracket.. 



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Great idea, because frankly, if you want to stand any chance with Merl's rules, you gotta play (and preferably main) one of the handful of the strongest mechs (e.g. AR Assault and SA Brawler), which is kinda lame.

 

However, I don't really like Test Arena. I think it should be up to the players to choose the location they want to play on.



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Great idea, because frankly, if you want to stand any chance with Merl's rules, you gotta play (and preferably main) one of the handful of the strongest mechs (e.g. AR Assault and SA Brawler), which is kinda lame.

 

However, I don't really like Test Arena. I think it should be up to the players to choose the location they want to play on.

 

The reason I want Test Arena specifically is mostly because removing map negotiation lets games be organized more quickly, but having everyone on an equal playing field in all aspects is nice too. The EU tournament could have different rules than the NA version if the consensus is that people should be able to pick though, and it'd be easier to pull off there since there'll likely be a lot less fights to coordinate. 


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Put me in that Grenadier bracket.

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Some brackets would be kinda awkward. The Preds, for example xD


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Bruiser 4 lyf. I'd love to be able to participate in multiple brackets though. Bruiser, G2 Raider, Scoot.

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Single-mech brackets -- hey that's me!



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Done. I will prove once and for all that I am best Heat Rocketeer NA.

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I'm afraid these brackets wouldn't even gather 8 players each. How about we ask Josh to create an icon for the tourney in-game (akin to those for the XP/HC weekends)?



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Great idea, because frankly, if you want to stand any chance with Merl's rules, you gotta play (and preferably main) one of the handful of the strongest mechs (e.g. AR Assault and SA Brawler), which is kinda lame.

However, I don't really like Test Arena. I think it should be up to the players to choose the location they want to play on.

I have used heat infil in both of my duels. I beat the crap out of an assault and an SS. Any mech can work if you make it work.
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I love this idea. Maybe do a weekend by weekend thing? Hey pilots! This Saturday we're going to find out who's the best at - insert mech here.
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I have used heat infil in both of my duels. I beat the crap out of an assault and an SS. Any mech can work if you make it work.


Agreed. Test arena tends to prefer certain mechs based on its unnatural map layout but you can definitely make a few other play styles work.
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Some brackets would be kinda awkward. The Preds, for example xD

 

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I was going to make a dumb "staring at walls the game mode" post and link to your video, but I couldn't remember the title. So thanks for that. I'm personally more excited to see who's the top battletech in all of NA, though.

I'm afraid these brackets wouldn't even gather 8 players each. How about we ask Josh to create an icon for the tourney in-game (akin to those for the XP/HC weekends)?

I'm a little hesitant about diluting the brackets too much with newer players who will probably be a lot harder to contact for match scheduling and won't have any real shot at placing anyway. It's not that I want to be unnecessarily exclusive, but I'd prefer a round-robin format which gets impractical pretty quickly as more people sign up. Losing 10x in a row in RR would kinda suck for someone new to the game too.

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Agreed. Test arena tends to prefer certain mechs based on its unnatural map layout but you can definitely make a few other play styles work.

Dave you know I'm more defense oriented anyway. Heat infil is perfect for that. Swiggity swooty. Coming 4 DAT booty. Even if you SA brawler cheese;)
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Dave you know I'm more defense oriented anyway. Heat infil is perfect for that. Swiggity swooty. Coming 4 DAT booty. Even if you SA brawler cheese;)

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I have used heat infil in both of my duels. I beat the crap out of an assault and an SS. Any mech can work if you make it work.

SS is bad against heat infil, and the assault was probably nowhere near your level. You cannot possibly beat, say, a heat gren of a comparable skill level with heat infil.



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SS is bad against heat infil, and the assault was probably nowhere near your level. You cannot possibly beat, say, a heat gren of a comparable skill level with heat infil.

I consider myself one of the better heat players and I still lost about 60% of the matches as heat scout vs. Jeff's SS during our casual duels. A single combo with an SS and you can bring any A class to half HP so you basically have to play perfectly or somehow manage to get into cqc without taking hits. Which is why I adjusted my playstyle to counter his SS because I knew I couldn't take it down with my usual go-tos for duels. 

 

And as for Cs, you can abuse the hell out of them with heat corner play unless they take top, which can still be countered assuming you damaged them enough. 


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I consider myself one of the better heat players and I still lost about 60% of the matches as heat scout vs. Jeff's SS during our casual duels. A single combo with an SS and you can bring any A class to half HP so you basically have to play perfectly or somehow manage to get into cqc without taking hits. Which is why I adjusted my playstyle to counter his SS because I knew I couldn't take it down with my usual go-tos for duels. 

 

And as for Cs, you can abuse the hell out of them with heat corner play unless they take top, which can still be countered assuming you damaged them enough. 

You lost 60%? That's about the same amount I lose to Jeff's SS with heat scout, except I play at 200 ms of ping with him. Weird.

 

Corner play with heat gren on Test Arena? How? The dude jumps on one of the pillars and lays waste on you. What can you do?


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You lost 60%? That's about the same amount I lose to Jeff's SS with heat scout, except I play at 200 ms of ping with him. Weird.

 

Corner play with heat gren on Test Arena? How? The dude jumps on one of the pillars and lays waste on you. What can you do?

That's not weird. Competent sabot players have the advantage against heat users. 

 

If you corner play against a heat gren as a heat scout, you have a significantly larger target to get your charged shots landed. Easy matchup assuming you don't get hit. If they play on the ground that's an easy win. If they just B-line it to top every time then you have to play aggressive and use your speed advantage to get control of mid and shoot them as they try getting on top of pillar. 



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That's not weird. Competent sabot players have the advantage against heat users. 

 

If you corner play against a heat gren as a heat scout, you have a significantly larger target to get your charged shots landed. Easy matchup assuming you don't get hit. If they play on the ground that's an easy win. If they just B-line it to top every time then you have to play aggressive and use your speed advantage to get control of mid and shoot them as they try getting on top of pillar. 

Do you have time to duel a bit right now? I'm interested to see how your strategy works.


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Do you have time to duel a bit right now? I'm interested to see how your strategy works.

Yeah I can hop in for a quickie. 



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Okay, see you in the game.



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So what was the score?


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What would you guys think about a no "C button" rule? 

 

Also Slug Reaper is a good matchup vs Heat scout more so than an SS imo. 


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What would you guys think about a no "C button" rule? 

 

Also Slug Reaper is a good matchup vs Heat scout more so than an SS imo. 

 

I really like this and its implications, but I worry for the same reason the Try-Weekly calls for 1 server mod at a time.



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So what was the score?

We went 7-3 for Dave and then he had to leave. I forgot that you NA players use the AC — it actually makes a huge difference in the A vs C duel (well, at least at 200 ms of ping).

 

I still think the heat gren has a considerable edge over the heat scout, though. We've agreed to continue our experiment and play on a EU Test Arena some time in the future.



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If there's an infil bracket put me there. NA side cuz reasons.


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When do you think would be the best time for this? Should I wait until after the TS tournament finishes? 


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When do you think would be the best time for this? Should I wait until after the TS tournament finishes? 

Probably yes. Should launch it right after the TS tourney finishes.






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