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The RuntWorks Systems: Exemplar is complete.
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Specs:
AMD Athlon x4 860K OCed-4.1GHz
Sapphire AMD Radeon R9 270 OCed-1050MHz
8GB DDR3 @1600
1TB HDD @7200
700W PSU

So here are some results for you guys after some benchmarks at stock and after the OCs.

First is Unigine Valley at ultra max with everything stock

FPS:

30.7

Score:

1285

Min FPS:

16.0

Max FPS:

56.7

Next is Unigine Valley with only the GPU OCed

FPS:

33.5

Score:

1403

Min FPS:

15.3

Max FPS:

63.3

Next is with both the CPU and GPU OCed

FPS:
33.8
Score:
1414
Min FPS:
17.3
Max FPS:
64.4

I failed to run the Nova Benchmark before everything was OCed.  I may go back and get a stock reading.  In the interim, here is the overall score for Novabench.
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I'm actually very happy with the results I recieved.  I didn't expect this system to preform as well as it did.  I was expecting no jumps at all in performance on Unigine Valley with the CPU OC, but having a higher low end and a slightly higher top end with a slightly better average is awesome.

I also Render a 1.45 hr movie at 1080p 24fps before OCs and it only took 2.12 hours stock.  OCed was 1.54.  So that's a phenomenal jump from stock when it comes to high throughput sequential operations.

Of course HAWKEN never drops below 30FPS and I actually had to cap it at 60 because the 144FPS was making me nauseous.  That has something to do with the monitor though.  It's a 60Hz monitor so something about the ultra high FPS was making it weird.  I'm also light sensitive so those compounded.


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what's your budget?  It's a solid build but perhaps I can offer a few tweaks if you provided your price range.  But at least off the top, I'd recommend getting a smaller sized SSD (120 GB or 250 GB) to store your OS and a few games, it really really helps with loading times.  Like you'd be in Windows, ready to roll in 10 seconds.


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Get an SSD and keep your OS and most frequently played games on it for hella fast boot/loading times, use a large hdd for everything else.

 

 

Looks good but nobody can give much advice unless we know what your budget is


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I'm keeping it under 1k not including peripherals. But this is what it's at. I'm not going to use an SSD in this one. Loading times aren't a huge problem for me.

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Also, it has to be mini ITX. Has to has to.

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I'm keeping it under 1k not including peripherals. But this is what it's at. I'm not going to use an SSD in this one. Loading times aren't a huge problem for me.

 

So by what I understand, $1k max (OS included), no monitor, no keyboard, no nothing else.  Just computer with OS? Would you like to preferably stay under $1k? 


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Give this a spin: 

 

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/nhcJZL$961.51 (AR) Intel i5 w/ R9 290 build

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/bkQXNG$863.79 (AR) Intel i5 w/ R9 290 build 

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/9fT6dC$833.80 (AR) Intel i5 w/ R9 280 build
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/RcXjCJ$855.04 (AR) Intel i5 w/ R9 280 build (with BluRay drive)
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/kZYMgs$811.31 (AR) AMD Athlon x4 860k w/ R9 280x build
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/wPCGD3$810.55 (AR) AMD Athlon x4 860k w/ R9 280 build (with BluRay drive)
 
 
All with OS included (without OS, knock off $90). I'd recommend Intel over AMD for longevity's sake though.
 
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Why would Intel give me greater longevity? All of my gaming rigs have had AMD chips and have run fine and gone the distance. To be fair, I'm very careful and I clean my PC out every two weeks. That will only add life to any system. Were I building a rendering rig I'd use Intel. But this is a gaming rig. I won't pay 50-200 dollars more for 2-12 or so fps more. Just my perspective on AMD vs Intel. Besides that, I don't dislike Intel. It has it's place, but the price to performance ratio doesn't justify it for my uses. Same with SSDs right now. I will not buy 250gb of storage space for the same price as 1tb of space even if there is a performance increase. I base my performance on what happens in game.

That wasn't supposed to be that long. Lol. And nothing in it is meant to offend. For now, AMD is the company I go with for my needs. =] Don't hit me!

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Aldo, the rig I posted is at $802 not including shipping. =b

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Why would Intel give me greater longevity? All of my gaming rigs have had AMD chips and have run fine and gone the distance. To be fair, I'm very careful and I clean my PC out every two weeks. That will only add life to any system. Were I building a rendering rig I'd use Intel. But this is a gaming rig. I won't pay 50-200 dollars more for 2-12 or so fps more. Just my perspective on AMD vs Intel. Besides that, I don't dislike Intel. It has it's place, but the price to performance ratio doesn't justify it for my uses. Same with SSDs right now. I will not buy 250gb of storage space for the same price as 1tb of space even if there is a performance increase. I base my performance on what happens in game.

That wasn't supposed to be that long. Lol. And nothing in it is meant to offend. For now, AMD is the company I go with for my needs. =] Don't hit me!

 

Intel gives better per-core performance. In single threaded applications, Intel will blow AMD out of the water generally speaking.  It's also MUCH more power efficient and allows for greater upgrade-ability in the future.  With the 4 core AMD processor, you won't be able to upgrade, that's the highest you can go with the FM2 chip, plus they're usually more power hungry.  With the 1150 chipset, you'd at least have that ability to throw in an i7 if you wanted to.

 

You could even sub out the i5 for a Core i3 and save at least $100 and not see any major decrease in game performance.  I've been gaming on a Core i3 for years and haven't had any trouble whatsoever.  Per core performance, my Core i3 pumps out 3.3 GHz, plus they have hyperthreading so it has 2 core, 4 threads.  The AMD X4 860K will have 4 threads too (no hyperthreading whatsoever), but also draw much more power.  Electricity ain't free, and Intel has power efficiency over AMD in spades. Even with an i3, you still have that upgrade-ability (to an i5 or i7) that you'd lose out on with the AMD Athlon X4 860K. The only way to upgrade from that is to get a AM3+ CPU and motherboard.

 

It's mighty unfortunate that AMD doesn't produce AM3+ ITX motherboards and stuff, but I understand that given the additional (and MUCH increased) power the AMD FX series draws. So personally speaking, I'd drop the extra $50 onto that rig with the Intel i5, you could even drop down to a Core i3 if you wanted (save like $100, but lose out on quad-core goodness despite hyperthreading), and see 1. greater power efficiency 2. better per-core performance 3. maintain upgrade-ability in terms of the CPU 4. better thermal performance (AMD is hot hot hot)


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I'm going to put this here for the power consumption argument.

As for per core performance, those numbers were found on benchmarking software that uses compilers and don't actually do anything on the CPU.  In real world performance, a stock 8350 renders 1080p video at 2 frames per minute slower than a 4770k.  I know because I've seen the side by sides in real life.  The RAM that was used was also Patriot Viper Xtreme series Division 2 edition which is known to run better on Intel.

I don't overclock and all of my AMD chips have ran very close to ambient.  Especially the 6350 with them sexy new stock coolers that AMD is using.  On the Athlon x4 610e it ran at ambient on a slim cooler that was only rated for the 45w TDP of the 610e.

As for upgradeability, It would still cost less to upgrade to a new processor and motherboard with AMD than it would to upgrade an intel chip to a higher end intel chip.  With some shopping around of course.

Edit:  Intel does have it's merits.  I don't dislike Intel.  I prefer AMD to a price to performance ratio.

Second Edit:  I like everything on this except the XFX card.  http://pcpartpicker.com/p/kZYMgs I'm going to actually look into this and anything on this list that's cheaper when I sart buying will be bought here.


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I'm going to put this here for the power consumption argument.

As for per core performance, those numbers were found on benchmarking software that uses compilers and don't actually do anything on the CPU.  In real world performance, a stock 8350 renders 1080p video at 2 frames per minute slower than a 4770k.  I know because I've seen the side by sides in real life.  The RAM that was used was also Patriot Viper Xtreme series Division 2 edition which is known to run better on Intel.

I don't overclock and all of my AMD chips have ran very close to ambient.  Especially the 6350 with them sexy new stock coolers that AMD is using.  On the Athlon x4 610e it ran at ambient on a slim cooler that was only rated for the 45w TDP of the 610e.

 

Point accepted, won't argue much on power draw, never said it would "wreck the power bill".  But looking strictly at TDP though, Intel performs better, particularly in the higher end. And as for the benchmarking, it depends on how overclocked the CPUs were, imo, I've seen it in real life too. I won't push that any farther though because it's something I really don't want to get into in much depth, hehe.  :tongue:

 

AMD is cheaper especially on the lower end (but just cheaper overall hah!), I'll give you that, but in terms of upgrading, you're limited.  Intel offers a greater path to upgrading, it's far easier and you have to jump through less hoops to get the job done, which is why I say in the long term, Intel is better.  Instead of dropping money on a new CPU and motherboard (and most likely a new OS installation to go along with said new motherboard) with AMD (particularly with the Athlon X4 860K), popping another Intel CPU into the motherboard is easy as 123 and requires no other effort other than popping the heatsink on and off and reapplying thermal paste, without needing to reinstall anything pretty much.

 

However, if you're not really worried about upgrading and you'd rather just build a new rig instead of establishing a platform for upgrading (depending on your preference really), then jump for whatever your heart desires, but I'd definitely go upgrade from a R9 270.  You can get a R9 270x or 280(x) for not that much more and get better performance than the 270.  Even a R9 290 can be had for around the same price as a GTX 960!


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I'm an Intel and nvidia user ATM, so I won't comment much about the AMD hardware. But I'd probably stick with 8gb ram, and use the savings towards an SSD (250gb) running Windows 8.1. Once you go SSD, its SSD all the things going forward, if only for the boot time. I haven't found myself needing more than 8gb gaming, or video / photo editing. My .02

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It needs more intel. 


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It needs more intel.


I kind of just now ordered the CPU... Lol.

I think that MB has an intel WIFI nuc.

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The CPU came! It's actually the only cpu I've ever had come with a sticcker. Neither my Athlon II X4 610e or my fx 6350 came with stickers. I iz cited

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"1k"

 

Sure, not like the starving children in Africa want food or anything.


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"1k"

Sure, not like the starving children in Africa want food or anything.

I've been very charitable my entire life. It's about time I donated to myself.

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i would have avoided mini itx as the cases are small and limits gpu cards. and also is harder to remove heat 


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To beat a dead horse, really really, really think about getting that additional small SSD. It doesn't just speed up boot time, it makes the whole operating system feel snappier if the OS and page file are on it. Install your web browser there and start it once - it will feel as if you had only minimized it, instead of opening it. Makes it hard to go back to spinning platters. It may feel snappier in non-gaming than an actual CPU upgrade on the same board. I was a doubter, until I caved and got one.

 

 

i would have avoided mini itx as the cases are small and limits gpu cards. and also is harder to remove heat 

 

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Out of curiosity, what is the final parts list?

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Either the the one that's up there, or the one that I coppied from your list minus the XFX card. With GPUs I tend to stick with Asus or Saphire and I used to work at a Tiger Direct store. The XfXs came back more than anything else.

@Odin. I only build in small form factor. This case is well reviews and can fit a gpu up to 12 inches. And thr case is basically open. Both side plates are honey comb crates. Same with the front. It comes with a 120 mm intake in the front, and a 120mm exaust fan in the back. I may swap the front fan for a 200 mm fan though.

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Alright. I had to change some stuff on this to cut costs and speed up the build. I changed the case to a micro atx case that really isn't much bigger. It also has an external 5.25" bay. I also cut the RAM in half. I've decided to go with Windows 7 home premium.

My laptop seemed to go into some repair loop and I had to factory reset it and it scared my. Also, the form factor switch will allow me to go up to the FX CPUs in thw future.

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Give this a spin: 

 

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/nhcJZL$961.51 (AR) Intel i5 w/ R9 290 build

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/bkQXNG$863.79 (AR) Intel i5 w/ R9 290 build 

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/9fT6dC$833.80 (AR) Intel i5 w/ R9 280 build
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/RcXjCJ$855.04 (AR) Intel i5 w/ R9 280 build (with BluRay drive)
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/kZYMgs$811.31 (AR) AMD Athlon x4 860k w/ R9 280x build
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/wPCGD3$810.55 (AR) AMD Athlon x4 860k w/ R9 280 build (with BluRay drive)
 
 
All with OS included (without OS, knock off $90). I'd recommend Intel over AMD for longevity's sake though.
 
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Why i5's not i7's? I assume to redistribute costs elsewhere, but now I'm curious about what you would say are important factors for gaming performance. It's something I'm not knowledgeable about.


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Why i5's not i7's? I assume to redistribute costs elsewhere, but now I'm curious about what you would say are important factors for gaming performance. It's something I'm not knowledgeable about.


On a dedicated gaming rig it's the GPU. For instance, this rigs most expensive piece is the GPU. A 2g frame buffer is a must for multi monitor. Next would be CPU. I wwnt with a high speed main-stream processor because they tend to do better on single threaded apps. I was initially wanting to put 16gb for video rendering, but dropped down to 8 to shave cash. All in all, when you do a build think space first. That will dictate your form factor. Pico ITX, Mini ITX, Micro ATX, ATX so on and so. Then you want to find your chip. Your CPU. So look for a motherboard that accomidates that chips TDP. Then find the ammount of ram you want at the speed you want and what DDR generation the board can handle and if it's DIMM or SO-DIMM. Then find the beefiest graphics card you can slam in it. After that find a case that can fit it all. Make sure you know your domensions, particularly on the CPU cooler and GPU length. Then find a PSU that fits. Typically it will be ATX, ITX or PS-ii. Then hard drive. You can usually put whatever you want. Some small form factor cases won't have space for a 3.5" drive.

That's how I do it anyway.
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Alright. Made some more changes to the build which actually work out better. First being the smaller case which will be better for space. It's also taller in case I want to add a bigger cooler in the future. And opted for the ARC 650m bronze over the Valens 600m gold to shave some cash and add headroom for extras such as LED strips and extra fanse.

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Which case did you opt for?

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http://www.newegg.co...7-236-_-Product

Damn.  It wouldn't give me the right link....  I got it do.


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Buh bump.


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Buuh Bump.

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