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talking about the HAB, which was before the spam warrior thing in 2013.

It's pretty well known that your behavior there barred you from inclusion in spam warrior group, or any other privelages afterwards.


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Regardless of a single individual's alleged behavior, I think the more interesting topic at hand is whether or not the community as a whole is capable of at the very least, assisting in moderating itself.

 

I have to say that I vote yes. I am strongly biased. I would scoop up a moderator position pretty quickly if it were offered, since that kind of role is something I enjoy filling. That being said, if I could see myself operating fairly in such a position - as someone who has a less than perfect record, how could I possibly make the generalization that no one could handle the simple task of lessening the burden of fending off spam in order to enable new players to post faster, without royally fuzzy bunnyng it up?

 

I mean, so often when this is discussed, it feels as if the opposing side treats the Hawken Community as a whole as one collective short bus. Someone's gotta drive, man.


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dont give tickle mod HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


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You can't even remember the dates correctly. lol.  Do you even know what year it is right now old man?

 

Feb 2013 is when the private invite only group I'm talking about was started by [MTR]Hugs.  Everyone that was in that group was invited to HAB later when Hawken was getting ready for the steam release (late 2013 early 2014).  The private area of the forums I'm talking about was NOT the HAB (1 or 2) btw, it was BEFORE.  I was in still in that group I'm talking about the whole time from start to finish, so again you know jackshit about what went on inside it, and it shows.

 

Also the spam warriors started in April 2014.  They were volunteers from the same group that was started in 2013, all of us in that group were asked by ZC.

http://hawken.mirror...-spam-warriors/

 

With all this info available to you and still you fail miserably trying to understand it.  I think you are the delusional one here Crafty.  

 

Hows that proof of me not playing Hawken this year coming along there Crafty?  Or are you just going to ignore it and try to act like nothing happened?  Accept the wager or quit writing checks your candy ass can't back.  Nows your chance to get rid of me for good, don't waste it.


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idk about the dates, not nearly as notable about the consensus among people involved in there about how you were.

it was before i started being an active player.

 

and to be fair I just assume you barely/never play because for all your posting I've seen you play like once over the years.

poopslinger tells me he saw you in a vangaurd last week

so it's good to know you log in hawken once in a while, even though you'd never be caught dead participating in anything the playing community actually does.


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Regardless of a single individual's alleged behavior, I think the more interesting topic at hand is whether or not the community as a whole is capable of at the very least, assisting in moderating itself.

 

I have to say that I vote yes. I am strongly biased. I would scoop up a moderator position pretty quickly if it were offered, since that kind of role is something I enjoy filling. That being said, if I could see myself operating fairly in such a position - as someone who has a less than perfect record, how could I possibly make the generalization that no one could handle the simple task of lessening the burden of fending off spam in order to enable new players to post faster, without royally fuzzy bunnyng it up?

 

I mean, so often when this is discussed, it feels as if the opposing side treats the Hawken Community as a whole as one collective short bus. Someone's gotta drive, man.

 

LMAO  Then you're exactly the type of person that shouldn't be a moderator.  You're talking about doing work for free, and it should be viewed as work.  Not a hobby that you do for fun or a means to be the one true keyboard commando.  Not intending to be harsh, but if you're all for community moderators because you want to be one, you want community moderators for the wrong reasons.


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LMAO  Then you're exactly the type of person that shouldn't be a moderator.  You're talking about doing work for free, and it should be viewed as work.  Not a hobby that you do for fun or a means to be the one true keyboard commando.  Not intending to be harsh, but if you're all for community moderators because you want to be one, you want community moderators for the wrong reasons.

Right. The world is always so absolute and only people with an absolutist mindset are capable of judging one's quality as a moderator on the internet. The world isn't made up of truisms, atx.

 

I actually have served as a moderator in the past with no issues, and yes, I wanted to be one. I mean, who the hell volunteers for a position that they don't want? That being said, this isn't about me, I'm simply voicing the fact there's bias to my vote but it also puts things in perspective for me.


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idk about the dates, not nearly as notable about the consensus among people involved in there about how you were.
it was before i started being an active player.


I know the dates, and those dates are 100% accurate.

So what you are saying is you weren't there and are going off of second hand information aka hearsay, oh ok, that explains your misunderstandings and incorrect information and whereabouts. I don't remember any altercations in HAB 1, except I was pretty vocal about not liking the ascension changes and I didn't really like the changes to Hawkens TTK. I wasn't any different in HAB than I was before, I would think that since ADH/MTR was still very much in charge during HAB that had I acted improperly I would of been removed from that private group, as a few other individuals were during the time it went on. So unless you can actually get your source(s) to come here or contact them and get the story straight then maybe you can continue and you can remind me of what exactly you are babbling about. Cause as of right now I'm just going to have to say you are confused and mistaken... again and going off of really bad second hand information, which is making you look fairly silly.

I think you are trying to talk about the things that happened much later, like after the point in August 2014 when ADH actually quit visiting the forums, which was way after HAB, like almost a year after, but whatever.

I was never passed over or denied in being a spam warrior, I didn't volunteer for my own reasons that I stated earlier. Who ever told you that was flat out lying, and unless they were in that group as I was, I wouldn't say that they actually knew what went on. I was still active in that group from start to finish, and still had the same access as they did, not as much access to things as the spam warriors, but more than the regular members of the forums. I used to laugh when Nept used to call me a barbie dream moderator because the entire time I was part of a secret group of people that were active in reporting such violations directly to ADH/MTR since Feb 2013. I even have the report player feature in game. We used to have a private forum where we would discuss aimbotters and post videos.

and to be fair I just assume you barely/never play because for all your posting I've seen you play like once over the years.
poopslinger tells me he saw you in a vangaurd last week
so it's good to know you log in hawken once in a while, even though you'd never be caught dead participating in anything the playing community actually does.


If you don't have any proof then you shouldn't assume. Why do you think that labeling me as someone that doesn't even play the game anymore has some demeaning status? I don't play Hawken much anymore BECAUSE I DON'T ENJOY IT ANYMORE. This is the basic truth you refuse to listen to and understand, I've said it THOUSANDS of times. Smurfs, people in game not in my same skill level (both too high and way too low), the gameplay, the monotony there are literally hundreds of reasons I don't enjoy playing Hawken anymore. Maybe when you get that through your thick skull you'll understand and quit trying to label someone as a non player as if that elevates your own status and lowers theirs.

I checked my logs and Poopslinger might be mistaken, I don't even remember playing any matches last week. I definitely don't remember seeing him but he could of been in a smurf I didn't recognize and associate with him. It's pretty easy to identify me though. I have never used any other account other than SS396, yeah I have NEVER used a smurf in Hawken and I'm proud to say that. I rarely pilot anything other than an alpha camo'd vanguard. I rarely play any matches except for siege or co-op or maybe on occasion a missile assault match. So plenty of those things might explain why you never see me Crafty, but that doesn't mean I don't play and for you to assume so is really silly. You are not the all knowing oracle in Hawken that knows every players whereabouts, when they play and when they don't, so quit trying to act like it. I bet Ashfire knows exactly when, and what matches I play though, lol.

I do remember seeing Crock in a match a while ago, but I'm pretty sure it was last year in Dec not in 2016, but I could be mistaken, I actually don't remember when it was, its not something I normally mark down to remember. My wager still stands though if you can prove I don't play, I'll leave, who knows maybe I'm bluffing and I haven't played Hawken in more than 30 days. You could still win this and get rid of me once and for all, can you really pass up that opportunity to rid the forum of its great cancer?

And lastly, why the fuzzy bunny on earth would I try to play with others in this community when they can't stand the very thought of me? I mean just look at the reactions I get from posting on the forums. You think that when the black sheep shows up to a community event that everyone is just going to accept me for who I am? Are you really fuzzy bunnyng serious?

The only people that are willing to be associated with me are willing to overlook certain things, and they get my respect for that, the others can fuzzy bunny off for all I care and continue holding their grudges. It makes no difference to me.

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Right. The world is always so absolute and only people with an absolutist mindset are capable of judging one's quality as a moderator on the internet. The world isn't made up of truisms, atx.

 

I actually have served as a moderator in the past with no issues, and yes, I wanted to be one. I mean, who the hell volunteers for a position that they don't want? That being said, this isn't about me, I'm simply voicing the fact there's bias to my vote but it also puts things in perspective for me.

 

Tickle, the fact that you're having this "discussion" with me right now is why I wouldn't want you to be a moderator here.  And what I think carries zero weight with Reloaded, so why do you even care what I think?  Why let yourself get roped into this?  Oh, and I could tell you what my experience with running gaming servers, websites and message boards has been, but there'd be no point to that.  Nobody would care.  I'll just say that people asking for said role typically ended up being a headache for me in the past, so you could say I'm biased on the matter.



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Tickle, the fact that you're having this "discussion" with me right now is why I wouldn't want you to be a moderator here.  And what I think carries zero weight with Reloaded, so why do you even care what I think?  Why let yourself get roped into this?  Oh, and I could tell you what my experience with running gaming servers, websites and message boards has been, but there'd be no point to that.  Nobody would care.  I'll just say that people asking for said role typically ended up being a headache for me in the past, so you could say I'm biased on the matter.

Roped into the discussion on whether or not the community can handle some of the responsibility of moderating itself - especially in the apparent absence of other moderation? Because I think that's important.

 

Regardless of whether or not Reloaded pays attention to you specifically, you are voicing an opinion on here, and my opinion is contrary to it. Given the fact that you appear willing to respond to my thoughts on the matter, we are having a conversation. It would be rude for me to ignore what you have to say.

 

And for the record, I like moderators who engage in discussions with the community, and I don't think I'm really alone in that. They aren't supposed to be all high and mighty and be too busy to bother with the people that they're tasked with overseeing.


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If and when Reloaded gets this game up and running the way they, we think it will...I don't believe there would be a reason for them to enlist people from the community to moderate. Hopefully by then they would have solidified their development team and are in the position to bring back old players and many new ones to sustain the game and the people needed to develop and run it.....I just hope it can get through this period of recent uncertainty again, thus probably all this discussion about self moderation going on due to the things happening in game and out.....#KeepTheFaithHawken.


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Roped into the discussion on whether or not the community can handle some of the responsibility of moderating itself - especially in the apparent absence of other moderation? Because I think that's important.

 

Regardless of whether or not Reloaded pays attention to you specifically, you are voicing an opinion on here, and my opinion is contrary to it. Given the fact that you appear willing to respond to my thoughts on the matter, we are having a conversation. It would be rude for me to ignore what you have to say.

 

And for the record, I like moderators who engage in discussions with the community, and I don't think I'm really alone in that. They aren't supposed to be all high and mighty and be too busy to bother with the people that they're tasked with overseeing.

 

Yes, mostly.

 

Really, it's not.  The game itself is what is important.  Without Hawken itself, Reloaded has no reason to keep this message board up and running.  Until they're ready to effectively re-launch Hawken this forum is more of a liability right now for a fraction of a small pool gamers still playing / interested in this game to eventually start griping about how long Reloaded is taking to do X, how the servers suck, complain about hackers, how the devs aren't being as vocal as people want, how they're starting to look like ADH/meteor did when trouble hit, etc. etc. etc.

 

We're basically repeating ourselves at this point, but hey, when I have free time, I don't mind repeating myself.  But the willingness to enter into a discussion like this and hold steadfast to your point, not necessarily a bad quality, but it can open you up to accusations of abuse of power if you were hypothetically a moderator.  Also, someone like me may not care if you're a mod and would likely still have this conversation with you, but others could be intimidated.  Yes, there's being rude, but there's also being professional.

 

 

It looks like you and I have opinions that are about as opposite of the others as we can get.  :teehee:

 

Like I said earlier, the absence the administrators here is for me, a big reason against volunteer / community moderators.  Having the presence of an actual authority figure(s) is necessary to make sure everyone stays in line and doesn't abuse the authority they've been given.  Something that to me is paramount if they go this route.  Having vocal community members act as moderators opens you up to a myriad of possible issues, among which are accusations of favoritism / bias, selective enforcement of the rules, and even placing regular users in a position to where they may feel intimidated into avoiding any possible disagreement / discussion for fear of retaliation.  Oh, and the accusations of brown-nosing.. that'd probably start up as well.  

 

Don't forget that all it takes is a single volunteer moderator screwing up and it reflects poorly on all volunteer moderators and by extension (in this case) Reloaded.

 

Even then, how would Reloaded narrow it down to who should be approached for the unpaid task of policing this message board?  Should they start by eliminating anyone with warning points?  All those temp banned in the last big poop-fiasco (if I'm remembering where that fiasco started correctly)?  Those who currently name and shame related to the recent uptick in cheaters?  Anyone who's ever been overly abrasive towards others on this message board?  

 

D'oh.. I think this should be my last "long post" on this subject, if I even continue replying.


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snipped for length

 

They aren't bad points to be made - but primarily they simply illustrate the fact that this sort of thing can be difficult to implement properly. Building a video game and turning a profit is also pretty difficult. Difficulty isn't a quality to be abhorred - rather the lack of a benefit is. The benefit I see in allowing a more fluid, community centric system to take place is that newer players won't be discouraged from using the forums. At the moment I believe new players can make one post a day for five days.

 

Five days is a long time when there's no pressing benefit to the player to remembering to check in and force out a post once every day for an entire workweek.

 

I think the forums are important to any game whose developers have, well, goals of any sort. It allows for feedback primarily, but also forms a core playerbase that's more willing to invest money into the game because they're investing time into it, even when they're not playing. I doubt I'd have spent a quarter (actually doing the math here that's almost three times the price of an AAA title) <1/16th as much, or even have played the game beyond a month or so if I hadn't become wrapped up in the community. That's anecdotal, but I think there's something there that can be extracted and applied. People who come here and stick around for a little feel invested in the game, and that pushes them to spend money, to produce content, to help new players, to bring new players here and repeat the cycle.

 

Now please don't look to the notion of a thriving and welcoming community as if I or anyone else believes that it's end all problems sort of thing, it's not. You may or may not have heard me say several times prior that Hawken shouldn't be advertised at this state - that we shouldn't be trying to take on new players. I stand by that position. But the people coming here have already tried Hawken. Why not try and keep them, especially when the alternative is them leaving and probably never picking up the game again? That's a wasted customer.

 

Now, addressing this part:

 


Like I said earlier, the absence the administrators here is for me, a big reason against volunteer / community moderators.  Having the presence of an actual authority figure(s) is necessary to make sure everyone stays in line and doesn't abuse the authority they've been given.

 

 

I agree, but Reloaded isn't defunct or bankrupt or dropping Hawken, not to my knowledge at least, and if they are that would make this conversation a moot point anyway, so for the purposes of discussing this further, we can assume that there is no absence of administrators. It's not impossible, or even a long shot given that 100% of prior developers have done just that, but it does make the conversation null, as that would inevitably result in the lack of forums in the first place.

 

Could it be difficult? Sure. But could it be beneficial? Of course it could.


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LMAO  Then you're exactly the type of person that shouldn't be a moderator.  You're talking about doing work for free, and it should be viewed as work.  Not a hobby that you do for fun or a means to be the one true keyboard commando.  Not intending to be harsh, but if you're all for community moderators because you want to be one, you want community moderators for the wrong reasons.


I rekon I'm pretty level headed for the most part.
During the Dev blackout I encouraged people to hang in for the benefit of the game, rather than further poison the community.
I could* be a mod... AU timezone is just about opposite US.
I don't have time to constantly sit on the forums, but if there are a few people like me around then there would potentially be less of a backlog of new pilot queries to approve.

I see your point SS/ATX, etc but with Reloaded around I think it might be worth reconsidering.

I think Josh mentioned in a dev interview that they would look at getting another community manager down the track when they are moving ahead better (EDIT: Augmentia 26th Dec post about 9-10min into the audio) so it may be just a way to speed up post approvals for the short term by using a system that can be implemented quickly.


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I can see where you two are coming from on this topic, I don't agree, but I can understand.  I still feel that it would be a mistake, but it's all ultimately Reloaded's call and if it goes south, their mess to clean up.  



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OP here.  Just wanted to say that this is NOT where I intended my thread to end up, and I'd be fine with locking it now.  I'll also add that the way this ended up is actually pretty discouraging to this new player :(


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I nominate kittens for community manager

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OP here.  Just wanted to say that this is NOT where I intended my thread to end up, and I'd be fine with locking it now.  I'll also add that the way this ended up is actually pretty discouraging to this new player :(

 

Welcome to the Hawken forums.

 

To get mods to maybe close your thread, report your first post, asking for the thread to be closed, possibly with a reason.

 

Don't worry, you do not accrue warning points for blessedly sparing us all the indignity of further in-fighting.



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OP here.  Just wanted to say that this is NOT where I intended my thread to end up, and I'd be fine with locking it now.  I'll also add that the way this ended up is actually pretty discouraging to this new player :(

 

Don't get discouraged so easily, you've been discouraged what... 3 times already?  :rolleyes:  :tongue:

 

EDIT: Tangent discussions on a gaming message board are pretty much a given.


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Lets put a little wager on this Crafty.  If I can prove that I've played Hawken at all this year (2016), you leave Hawken for good FOREVER (in game and the forums), and if you can prove that I haven't played Hawken this year, I'll leave for good FOREVER (in game and on the forums).  Sound like a deal or are you a liar with no proof?  

 

My information is clearly on my steam profile page of when the last time I loaded Hawken up, and since it was before Jan 31 2016 at 0:00 hours there shouldn't be any tampering going on that would affect the outcome of the proof.  I also have logfiles from the game itself.

 

 

 

 

I'll take this bet if Crafty won't.


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What's the big fuzzy bunnyng deal? Lots of amazing people have committed suicide, and they turned out alright.

 


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Since Hawken doesn't require Steam to be running to actually log in and play... you guys probably ought to look for another method of settling this. 


To be serious for a moment this is just a joke

 


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I'll take this bet if Crafty won't.

 

Accepted.


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poopslinger tells me he saw you in a vangaurd last week

 

 

 

 

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I win. You can go now.


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What's the big fuzzy bunnyng deal? Lots of amazing people have committed suicide, and they turned out alright.

 


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Only 10 games? WTF SS.



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edit: I think I'm just confused on what happened here. 


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Apologies kittens for these keyboard warriors.

They are still butthurt from something that happened long before you arrived here.

 

I'd say we'll try to keep on topic, but whether Reloaded is moderating effectively kinda is on topic.

We could do without dragging up ADH mistakes though as Reloaded <> ADH.



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I win. You can go now.

 

Nice try, but no.

 

If imgur didn't require an account, I would of already displayed my proof.  I'm currently looking for another route to publish my screen shots and if that isn't good enough I'll make my steam profile visible temporarily.  Since I can already hear the cries of "you photoshopped that" coming from you.


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Oh. Well fuzzy bunny :c

 

 

and imgur doesn't require an account you go to the site and click upload it's not hard


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edit: I think I'm just confused on what happened here.


You're not the only one

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[14:31] <Crafty> I know that in my balls
[14:32] <Crafty> hawken is unlike anything Ive played

 

 


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Oh. Well fuzzy bunny :c
 
 
and imgur doesn't require an account you go to the site and click upload it's not hard

 
Well, when I uploaded them to imgur, it didn't post them like it used to.  So I think they changed the way things worked or something no big deal, I found somewhere else to host.
 

 

Now, I created these screen grabs yesterday just in case I accidently launched Hawken through steam, I hope that isn't some sort of major problem for you, but since I haven't launched Hawken recently my steam profile is still exactly the same and I will make it visible if you think these screen grabs are faked in any way.

 

Also, you didn't understand the terms of the wager, you were supposed to provide proof I DIDN'T play the game at all, while I provided proof that I did.

 

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So, you can go ahead and request from support that your account be terminated, or you can turn over your account information to me through PM and I'll contact support and have it terminated.  If you go that route I'll allow you to have your password changed before you turn over the account information to me just incase you use that username and password info elsewhere.   Remember this is FOREVER and really its not tied to the account at all, its tied DIRECTLY TO YOU.

 


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wow guy, you really have come unhinged

 

nobody made a wager with you


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wow guy, you really have come unhinged
 
nobody made a wager with you

 

 
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I know you are delusional and all but now I can add blind and stupid to that list too. You can just thank your friends for protecting you from making the same mistake.

BTW Crafty, whens that screenshot say the last time I played the game eh? Thats what I thought. STFU.

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lol have like half of the active threads devolved into attempts at Hawken accelerationism or what


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this is getting pretty weird tbh

it'd be reasonable to have concerns this is becoming an unhealthy obsession for you


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I will do no such thing. :3

What's the big fuzzy bunnyng deal? Lots of amazing people have committed suicide, and they turned out alright.

 


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That's photoshopped!! HAX!  HAX I SAY!



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Sorry Grass, nothing personal.  Although I really wish it would've been Crafty having to eat crow and not you, but his friends tipped him off and ratted me out in order to protect him of a fatal mistake.

 

 

I'll be honest here, I'm pretty uncomfortable with where you are going with all of this.

 

Understand I'm not willing to tolerate Mr. GunThreats talking in terms of things being "fatal" for me in this bizarre drag-racing fantasy he's playing out on these forums.


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I'll be honest here, I'm pretty uncomfortable with where you are going with all of this.
 
Understand I'm not willing to tolerate Mr. GunThreats talking in terms of things being "fatal" for me in this bizarre drag-racing fantasy he's playing out on these forums.


Always tryharding for some way to bring that up again.  And you say I should give things up whats it been 6 months or so, the statute of limitations is over with buddy, but keep on trying cause somehow it'll make all your lies meaningful.  

 

Since you are too stupid to understand what was inferred, it was simply that accepting the bet, resulted in directly losing your presence both in game and on the forums.  You would no longer be here, and yes it would be considered a fatal mistake.

 

So now when I use any word that could be used to describe a threat you are going to raise the yellow card and call foul?

 

If if you don't like what I wrote, report it.


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