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For example, apparently each mech will only have one primary option unless we were grandfathered in?  So should my son and I get every primary we can on every mech right now, or will we not lose that option later and therefore there is no rush?

 

Is there anything else that we should try to secure right now before the updated version is rolled out?

 

Thanks for helping us understand this better.


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1.  Make smurfs.

 

2.  Unlock Weapons

 

3.  ???

 

4.  Profit.


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Every indication is that once the patch drops all players who already have weapons/mechs unlocked will keep those, and from that point on they can no longer be acquired.

 

What is not extremely clear is if that applies to just weapons or mechs on the whole. For example, say I buy a rocketeer right now. If I level it to 6 but I haven't purchased the alternate primaries will I still be able to buy them after the patch drops? If I leave it un-leveled will it still unlock the ability to purchase the alternate primaries if I level it after the patch? Perhaps even RLD doesn't know yet. It seems like the new launch is at least a couple months away.

 

I would recommend you try every primary you can anyway, even if not on every mech, because you might find something you like.


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Buy every single thing that exists in the game. If you're willing to spend some real money at this point, buy some cosmetics too.
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Don't forget that things may change in the future !!


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Play the game, I guess.



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If the devs make this "grandfathering weapons" a thing, they will kill the game. That will scream "P2W" at new players.


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If the devs make this "grandfathering weapons" a thing, they will kill the game. That will scream "P2W" at new players.

 

They may be busy screaming P2W at G2 mechs being more powerful.

Why, RLD, why...


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I know it sucks losing all ones items or cosmetics, but grandfathering in this stuff is very strange from a gameplay and balance perspective. So a percentage of the player base will have these variants, meanwhile the rest of the population won't. Surely new players won't take any issue with this arrangement at all.
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If the devs make this "grandfathering weapons" a thing, they will kill the game. That will scream "P2W" at new players.

 

Surely new players won't take any issue with this arrangement at all.

Sucks to be new on PC I guess?

I personally have no complaints. :pirate: (I feel like I'm the only one...)

Most new players will be on consoles anyway, whatever. PC will prolly mostly still be the crowd that's here now, give or take a few, and we'll just be piggybacking off of the consoles' presumed superprofits (Hue). And people already scream that HAWKEN is p2w.

So I honestly don't foresee any of this killing the PC game moar ded than it already is.
I think you greatly underestimate the amount of fuzzy bunny players are willing to put up with for video games. I mean, ppl still play APB........

TL;DR: I think RLD's gamble is: "fuzzy bunny 'em, people will still give us their money regardless." They're probably not wrong...


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You know, you're completely right. They need to change that before the patch drops, because after it launches nothing can be changed.

 

Yup. All set in stone.

 

And because every new player will be buying G2 mechs right out of the gate, we'll have 100's of players shouting P2W to the heavens instead of expressing their concerns to reloaded, which won't matter because once the game is out it can't be patched. Right?

 

Oh yeah and with the weapons that will rollover to the new game because us vets already have them, people are going to scream P2W too even though the in-game store won't have any evidence of those weapon combos existing anyway. People totally aren't more likely to scream hacker at a player with something they've never seen before and are pretty sure you can't get them.



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Maybe we should create a list of what weapons are best (most popular) on each mech so we can aim to get those first.

 

I'll start:

CRT - submachine cannon

Assault - submachine cannon

Vanguard - submachine cannon

 

What happened to the submachine cannon.


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Maybe we should create a list of what weapons are best (most popular) on each mech so we can aim to get those first.

 

I'll start:

CRT - submachine cannon

Assault - submachine cannon

Vanguard - submachine cannon

 

What happened to the submachine cannon.

 

I actually prefer the AR... *shrug*


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I actually prefer the AR... *shrug*

I don't know why, but I always tend to do more damage with the submachine cannon overall. Maybe because I tend to get closer to enemies..? I don't know if that was a strength of the weapon over the AR because I can't find its description on the website.


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Sucks to be new on PC I guess?
I personally have no complaints. :pirate: (I feel like I'm the only one...)

Most new players will be on consoles anyway, whatever. PC will prolly mostly still be the crowd that's here now, give or take a few, and we'll just be piggybacking off of the consoles' presumed superprofits (Hue). And people already scream that HAWKEN is p2w.

So I honestly don't foresee any of this killing the PC game moar ded than it already is.
I think you greatly underestimate the amount of fuzzy bunny players are willing to put up with for video games. I mean, ppl still play APB........

TL;DR: I think RLD's gamble is: "fuzzy bunny 'em, people will still give us their money regardless." They're probably not wrong...


Like I said in the QA thread, PC Hawken is all but dead and abandoned. It's being left in a horrible state with no semblance of consistency. It's really a joke, and anyone who can't see this for what it is is kidding themselves.

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Like I said in the QA thread, PC Hawken is all but dead and abandoned. It's being left in a horrible state with no semblance of consistency. It's really a joke, and anyone who can't see this for what it is is kidding themselves.

 TBH, you ain't wrong prolly.
 

I don't know why, but I always tend to do more damage with the submachine cannon overall. Maybe because I tend to get closer to enemies..? I don't know if that was a strength of the weapon over the AR because I can't find its description on the website.

I like to tickle people to death from awkward ranges. AR is good for that.


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Drink?

 

2.  Unlock Weapons

 

to be honest, i felt (i have a time machine) that Reloaded do something with gameplay, and have some suspicious and fear about turning hawken in pay-to-win, so, about 4-5 month ago i start buying all weapons and internals on all my mechs (you may think it is easy, but you know... i have a 50 mech and 4 brawlers, grens, etc., and buying all weapons required... a lot of baba-ji credits xD), so, i'm not surprising with update. i can Drink.

 


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Like I said in the QA thread, PC Hawken is all but dead and abandoned. It's being left in a horrible state with no semblance of consistency. It's really a joke, and anyone who can't see this for what it is is kidding themselves.

See this is an example of what PC players should NOT do before the updates happen.

 

I know the sudden influx of people using the forums now is nice and all, but derailing a thread that purposes a completely genuine question with all of your doom and gloom fuzzy bunny isn't cool.

 

How about you open your own "hawken is dead thread" but to spice it up a little you could specify, like you have here; that it's PC hawken that's dying. That way you and all the other members saying similar things don't cause players like kittens to lose their passion for the game, because honestly people like him/her are the future of the hawken playerbase. The direction of the game at this point is pretty clear, and anyone who thinks preaching that reloaded has forsaken us is going to help anything or anyone is kidding themselves.

 

And if you don't care about the game's direction and/ or about contributing positively to threads then you can GET THE fuzzy bunny OUT



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I AM GOING TO STOMP AROUND IN MY DRAGON/SNOWFLAKE SKIN, TORSO-SWAPPED, GRANDFATHERED, PAY2WIN DICKMECHS AND OMNOMNOMONOMNOMNOMNOMNOM NOOBIES.

 

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I AM GOING TO STOMP AROUND IN MY DRAGON/SNOWFLAKE SKIN, TORSO-SWAPPED, GRANDFATHERED, PAY2WIN DICKMECHS AND OMNOMNOMONOMNOMNOMNOMNOM NOOBIES.

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Srsly tho: Pokémon the fuzz out of the current market. Skins, parts, primaries, the lot.

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See this is an example of what PC players should NOT do before the updates happen.

I know the sudden influx of people using the forums now is nice and all, but derailing a thread that purposes a completely genuine question with all of your doom and gloom fuzzy bunny isn't cool.

How about you open your own "hawken is dead thread" but to spice it up a little you could specify, like you have here; that it's PC hawken that's dying. That way you and all the other members saying similar things don't cause players like kittens to lose their passion for the game, because honestly people like him/her are the future of the hawken playerbase. The direction of the game at this point is pretty clear, and anyone who thinks preaching that reloaded has forsaken us is going to help anything or anyone is kidding themselves.

And if you don't care about the game's direction and/ or about contributing positively to threads then you can GET THE fuzzy bunny OUT


Um, the thread is about the PC version, and my "doom and gloom" post only mentioned the pc version, what's the problem exactly?
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And anyone suggesting folks that play the pc version to start buying unlocks and mechs should really save their bad advice. Talk about poor financial decisions lol.

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And anyone suggesting folks that play the pc version to start buying unlocks and mechs should really save their bad advice. Talk about poor financial decisions lol.

OP said nothing about purchasing anything. Re-read it slowly this time.

 

My problem was that your post was inherently negative while also having nothing to do with the OP's post. 



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I AM GOING TO STOMP AROUND IN MY DRAGON/SNOWFLAKE SKIN, TORSO-SWAPPED, GRANDFATHERED, PAY2WIN DICKMECHS AND OMNOMNOMONOMNOMNOMNOMNOM NOOBIES.

 

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I feel the same.


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So a percentage of the player base will have these variants, meanwhile the rest of the population won't.


I'm sure reloaded is hoping that we will become a very small percentage amongst an influx of new players.
People will ask about our weapons the same way betas ask about cupcake.
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what to do until update ::

 

Buy all the parts on all the mechs....

unlock all the weapons....

Repeat until you have 6x each mech customized 6 different ways to play 6 different styles....

 

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...I'd better buy EOC on Rocketard then?

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Repeat until you have 6x each mech customized 6 different ways to play 6 different styles....

oh sh!t... i have only 4 brawlers! 

*runaway to buy another 2 brawlers*


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OP said nothing about purchasing anything. Re-read it slowly this time.

 

Care to explain how one can acquire mechs, chassis, weapons, internals, items, or consumables, without "purchasing" them?

 

I concluded that the OP was asking if he should buy everything he can while he still can, and with his and his sons playtime on the lighter side, I'm sure he hasn't stockpiled hundreds of thousands of HC that would enable him to purchase all of the missing items, weapons and mechs.  Therefore his only option left would to be to purchase things with supplemental MC which completely contradicts your interpretation of the OP's post.  So yes, he doesn't actually mention spending real life cash on things, but as I pointed out, he pretty much has to at this point in time due to him not spending hundreds of hours playing the game over the years.

 

Thats what I really feel he was asking in the first place, whether or not to actually spend real money to have all the cool grandfathered stuff available in the future.  Maybe he will interject and clarify what exactly he was asking.

 

And its really a catch 22, if the grandfathered weapons are overpowered (like many think they will be), then spending money now is worth it, but that is going to severely ruin the game for the new players (and if Reloaded and company can't predict that, then the game already is doomed).  If they are not overpowered, then its just about being different and standing out, which is the reason I run an Alpha skin even though its butt ugly.


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If they are not overpowered, then its just about being different and standing out, which is the reason I run an Alpha skin even though its butt ugly.

I get the feeling RLD is going to try and balance it toward this direction.

 

People will ask about our weapons the same way betas ask about cupcake.

This is exactly how it should be, and how I want it to be.


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I actually prefer the AR... *shrug*

AR is statistically better, I'm weird and like SMC. SMC sounds better and looks better imo, and for whatever reason I tend to do better with it. 


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If only dreams could come true.....So I guess asking them to return the game to the Closed Beta era is out of the question ?


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AR has less falloff and tighter spread, SMC generates less heat and has more DPS. SMC also fires about 60% faster, but does less damage per bullet.

 

AR is better at range, SMC is better close up, but they're pretty close overall.

 

Then there's the RPR, which is a weird hybrid of the two.


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Sorry but stop acting like they're going to let you have weapons others can't.

 

You can be angry as you like but it's not happening.   now, cosmetic or other unlocks, interested in where to spenc hc and mc most effectively.



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Also I guess one thing to do now would be mapclimbs (never in an actual match of course). If they have actually fixed a lot of map issues than many of the map climbs may disappear with the patch.


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I'm confused, please enlighten me: will I still be able to switch weapons on my mechs that I already have after the patch?? Or I have to buy 3x the same mech with different weapons before the patch to be able to use all 3 weapons in the future?? Please answer quickly because my soul is in a big turmoil now.


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We should rather practice with new mechs loadouts (save for scanner).

 

G2A, HEAT scout, revGL gren (+no airdet), EOC infi', etc...


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I'm confused, please enlighten me: will I still be able to switch weapons on my mechs that I already have after the patch?? Or I have to buy 3x the same mech with different weapons before the patch to be able to use all 3 weapons in the future?? Please answer quickly because my soul is in a big turmoil now.

from what Tiggs said in the Q/A they won't touch the ability to switch primary weapons and other torsos you bought on mechs you already own.

I really hope the community will remain to have as little influence as they had in the past, otherwise this might be limited to certain type of matches etc etc.


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