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Hawken is a team based fps. Yet the in game Voice over Internet Protocol is still non-existent this is Hawken' s biggest downfall. Because you can not be a effective team and react together unless you and can quickly and efficiently communicate. Chat is useless in a battle.  I personalty am tired of the simple formula of stay in a group  and win or Being in a team that only skill is solo suicide . This dynamic quickly taking the fun out of hawken to me coupled with the 9v9 and 12 v 12 B.S.

 

Your biggest problem the 800 pound gorilla is  the VOIP.  The fact you have a awesome game great weapons awesome synergy's with a lot of mechs yet none of these are be used because you player base can not communicate efficiently and fast . 

 

 

So I do not want shinny new mechs or new  weapons. Nore am I screaming for nerfs and buffs I WANT THE FUNDAMENTALS of a team game play  fixed and made priority. Ask others  this is not just my opinion. how can you balance a system when your players can not even communicate and work together.

 

I love hawken have been around 2 + years But this IS a HUGE PROBLEM and if is not fixed people will just leave hawken for games that have a working  VIOP system.

 

 

If it is not fixed hawken will remain broken and will not see its true potential and will suffer in the long run because of it. If you agree please post a simple I AGREE on this topic and like it maybe if it gets enough support they will see it needs to be fixed and it is a priority.   Hawken clams to be a team based shooter. Lets make it one.


Edited by Source_Mystic, 30 May 2015 - 06:34 AM.

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Again, it is a huge issue but until the dev team has hired programmers it's not happening. This information has been available and repeated for months.

Furthermore there's a public TS that you can use to bypass the VOIP and matchmaking issues. Yes it requires more effort but yes it does work.

Which leaves us with the REAL real problem: a lack of population.
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Which leaves us with the REAL real problem: a lack of population.

 

We need to be given incentives to reproduce, or enrichen our culture with players from third dimension world games like Call of Duty or Battlefield.


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Again, it is a huge issue but until the dev team has hired programmers it's not happening. This information has been available and repeated for months.

Furthermore there's a public TS that you can use to bypass the VOIP and matchmaking issues. Yes it requires more effort but yes it does work.

Which leaves us with the REAL real problem: a lack of population.

One team with ts3 is uneven and op bs .. I want no part of it give everyone voip not just one side.



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Yesterday josh said that they've interviewed a programmer(s) (not sure). I hope they ride his back and get us VOIP back. I really miss it.


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One team with ts3 is uneven and op bs .. I want no part of it give everyone voip not just one side.

good. so leave. no one will miss you. particularly you.

you're into that "synergistic" lately, aren't you?

here's some of your no-help negativity right back atcha.

yeh. i'm off my meds. deal with it.

 

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We need to be given incentives to reproduce, or enrichen our culture with players from third dimension world games like Call of Duty or Battlefield.

 

I read that as a statement and it entirely derailed my train of thought.

 

On topic though, working voip would be great in hawken. iirc it used to be in hawken but broke? Not sure. I wouldn't say lack of communication is the main problem with balance and hawken in general, but it is definitely a problem that should be fixed with reasonably high priority.


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mystic, your posts always make me laugh. Thank you for the entertainment.


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A lot of the time in TS we don't even discuss tactics of the game were in. Hell we don't ever really use parties either. We discuss things on our mind and talk to others that we consider our friends. We crack jokes and make fun of each other. We rarely waste our breath coordinating inside of pugs. We just hang out
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Vast majority of the players will NOT use VOIP, they shouldn't need to and shouldn't be expected to. This is NOT a be all end all solution.

 

TDM does not require much communication beyond what is available with "enemy spotted" and "help requested". As mentioned in another thread, stick together, watch each others' back, be aware of your surrounding and keep eye on the minimap are as much "teamwork" as TDM needs. These are not some special tactics people need to be taught with, these are common sense that any experienced player can be expected to practice without being told to.

 

Unfortunately, common sense is lacking with many newer and not-so-sharp players, this is especially true at lower MMR level. That is the inevitable case with all competitive multiplayer game and nothing can really be done about it. MA and Siege are modes where communication plays a huge role, but I've found no real issue with typing things out and VOIP will not miraculously make the dead weight non-communicative players suddenly decide to communicate and follow instructions.

 

VOIP worked in Hawken once upon a time, and how much it was actually productively used during that time in mid/low MMR level games? Next to none from my experience.


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If more people paid attention to "help requested" and "enemy sighted" voip wouldn't be as necessary


It's annoying when I'm being chased by the entire enemy team and my team ignores my desperate spamming of both while searching for enemies across the map.

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Whether or not VoIP is necessary for a pub TDM is irrelevant. Its unacceptable for it not to be an option for those of us who do want to use it.

Some of us(me included) have shitty computers and TS makes the game unplayable.

There ARE more pressing issues but this is a big one
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Teamspeak.



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Whether or not VoIP is necessary for a pub TDM is irrelevant. Its unacceptable for it not to be an option for those of us who do want to use it.

 

Elaborate please, why is it "unacceptable"?



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Look there are always different levels of play  but voip would make hawken more team oriented and organized  for people that want to run tactics but for the sake of argument it needs to be in game and not one sided ... one team using team speak is so unbalance when the other is not.



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good. so leave. no one will miss you. particularly you.

you're into that "synergistic" lately, aren't you?

here's some of your no-help negativity right back atcha.

yeh. i'm off my meds. deal with it.

 

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I take it you are on of those solo aholes that never gets in a team and does not understand that one person playing support for a whole team can not do that if your whole team is in six different directions .... healing suppression , defense none of this is effective if you team is not working with you. second biggest problem is everyone wants to play front line a class mechs run in and die tactics. That always looses. If a death ball is 10 up I will try to reverse  it. Past that I am going pred and watching my team solo us to death no reason  to get involved at that point when people are just all over the place running into 1v4 with a class and think they will come out on top. i will still help from a distance but I am done  overextending for team that does not   cooperate in the least.

 

Cant doge do not play a class , Play c class and stick with your team. A complete team needs front line ,  mid line and back line to work efficiently one person does not make a team and c class and support class of any type need help.

 

 

Then again I do not really care E10 you hate me good I hope I run into you when they do get VOIP working I already see several tactics that will annihilate in most situations ..... then again I need to be able to talk in real time to coordinate that ....... but I already have a plan b I am working on as we speak  might even work better that voip just for its simplicity


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Even in early Open Beta when VoIP was working people very rarely used it. It'd be nice but it sure as hell won't make or break Hawken. Official league matches have TS for voice comms anyway. It's still always a nice touch but certainly not a priority I would think.


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we need voip to work in this game. just saying something simple like hey dudepersonman theres a mech coming behind you (teehee) would make a world of difference. 


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Elaborate please, why is it "unacceptable"?


Because this is 2015 and any team based shooter should have it. Because we DID have it. I'd agree people didn't always use it when we did, but I've had quite a few pre ascension matches where it was used.Its always funner that way

Point is it should be an option.

Y'all are arguing the degree of the problem. I'm not. I'm just saying there is one

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Hawken in its most basic form is a completely team oriented game. Even in death match you're required to use others to your advantage in a way that's just like being in a team, but it's completely exploitive in nature. It's why I find duels absolutely pointless because it pits you on even turf against another with rules set aside and no interference. That's why certain mech's just can't preform well in a dueling enviroment it's not an intended part of the game. Though I do agree with the TPG rules, I believe any other time playing fairly is playing to lose. That's how hawken works

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Honestly, I wouldn't use it much if VoIP came back. I don't even use Teamspeak (and I *have* teamspeak on my laptop).

 

Maybe if I was somehow part of some special event or something I'd use either. But, really, in most cases I have no use for it. If I need to say something, I chat it up. Of course I tend to see a lot of jerks or mexicans (or mexican jerks) and it's bad enough seeing them curse out people in their language. I don't want to worry about hearing it as well.

 

As far as just chatting... If I want to heavily chat, I have skype.

 

Not saying it's a bad idea. VoIP should be fixed. I'm just saying I have no real benefit out of it.



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Hawken is a team based fps. Yet the in game Voice over Internet Protocol is still non-existent this is Hawken' s biggest downfall. Because you can not be a effective team and react together unless you and can quickly and efficiently communicate. Chat is useless in a battle.  I personalty am tired of the simple formula of stay in a group  and win or Being in a team that only skill is solo suicide . This dynamic quickly taking the fun out of hawken to me coupled with the 9v9 and 12 v 12 B.S.

 

Your biggest problem the 800 pound gorilla is  the VOIP.  The fact you have a awesome game great weapons awesome synergy's with a lot of mechs yet none of these are be used because you player base can not communicate efficiently and fast . 

 

 

So I do not want shinny new mechs or new  weapons. Nore am I screaming for nerfs and buffs I WANT THE FUNDAMENTALS of a team game play  fixed and made priority. Ask others  this is not just my opinion. how can you balance a system when your players can not even communicate and work together.

 

I love hawken have been around 2 + years But this IS a HUGE PROBLEM and if is not fixed people will just leave hawken for games that have a working  VIOP system.

 

I AGREE!!  

 

Teamspeak is a good idea,  but the problem is that it's 3d Party.  I  developed a MAJOR problem,  as a friend asked me to join his Clan.   So, I checked it out,  looks good,  and they use Teamspeak.  So I install it,  and am looking for the Clan's server... (It may be hidden),   and the admin guy hasn't replied to me in a few days.   So I jump on Official Unofficial Hawken,  and I see a LOT of .... whatever you call it.   Rooms,  sub chats,  server conversations going on.   There are even some Clan "chats"  or "servers"  ...  forgive me,   I don't know the technical term.   I see a few Clans,  but not my Clan.   So as I'm looking around trying to figure it out,   I get bumped and banned from an Admin for "Not Identifying Myself"  .... I thought that was what an account was for?   So there is a weblink to appeal the ban,  but I can't access it,  because I don't have the 3d party email utility installed.    So I search to install that, to follow the link,  and when I come back,  I lose the link!!   (Because I'm Banned).   NO admins around I can find.... I'm in an effing maze of rooms, people,  who I have no idea who they are... Still waiting to kiss the beloved ass of the most worshipful Admin,  and repent of my mistake.  

 

I have spent over $1000 on this game,  and love it,  have no regrets.   Big ass garage full of pretty mechs.   I support the heck out of this game.   And because I didn't dot an "I"  or cross a "t",  I'm made to feel like a pedophile downloader....   

 

Un effing believable.    Just tell me who's ass I gotta kiss, Tell me how much $$ I gotta pay,  I don't give a .......   I want my damn game to work. 


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I AGREE!!  

 

Teamspeak is a good idea,  but the problem is that it's 3d Party.  I  developed a MAJOR problem,  as a friend asked me to join his Clan.   So, I checked it out,  looks good,  and they use Teamspeak.  So I install it,  and am looking for the Clan's server... (It may be hidden),   and the admin guy hasn't replied to me in a few days.   So I jump on Official Unofficial Hawken,  and I see a LOT of .... whatever you call it.   Rooms,  sub chats,  server conversations going on.   There are even some Clan "chats"  or "servers"  ...  forgive me,   I don't know the technical term.   I see a few Clans,  but not my Clan.   So as I'm looking around trying to figure it out,   I get bumped and banned from an Admin for "Not Identifying Myself"  .... I thought that was what an account was for?   So there is a weblink to appeal the ban,  but I can't access it,  because I don't have the 3d party email utility installed.    So I search to install that, to follow the link,  and when I come back,  I lose the link!!   (Because I'm Banned).   NO admins around I can find.... I'm in an effing maze of rooms, people,  who I have no idea who they are... Still waiting to kiss the beloved ass of the most worshipful Admin,  and repent of my mistake.  

 

I have spent over $1000 on this game,  and love it,  have no regrets.   Big ass garage full of pretty mechs.   I support the heck out of this game.   And because I didn't dot an "I"  or cross a "t",  I'm made to feel like a pedophile downloader....   

 

Un effing believable.    Just tell me who's ass I gotta kiss, Tell me how much $$ I gotta pay,  I don't give a .......   I want my damn game to work. 

 

If you have a problem with a ban by an Officially Unofficial Hawken Teamspeak admin, appeal to hawkenteamspeak@gmail.com using whichever email you so choose, just email it using any regular email.  PM me or a TS super admin (Amidatelion, ticklemyiguana, Merl61 these folk probably better) for any additional concerns and hopefully it should get sorted out ASAP. You shouldn't need to kiss any asses, unless you did indeed break any rules repeatedly and earned the ban.  Per Admin policies, only Super Admins have privilege to permaban players, so if you were not permabanned, do try again to reconnect and hopefully things can get sorted out.  Regardless, probably best to email hawkenteamspeak@gmail.com to best sort things out.

 

 I apologize for the inconvenience.  


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Thank you, I DO appreciate the prompt,  courteous reply,  and will email them right away.   It's help like this,  that makes the Hawken community such a positive place to be, even while many people have differing opinions on things,  I appreciate the helpful,  professional tone of the community here! 


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VOIP is a huge thing for not only team play (even in TDM good comms can make a world of difference, over just "mech spotted" and "need help") but also for developing communities. Sure voip could be abused, but in a lot of games you can find regulars hop on just to shoot the schit with each other just as much as play. If you don't like what you hear mute people, or just turn it off all together. As long as those options easy to identify and use.

 

Assuming it will be an underused feature isn't really a reason to leave it out either. As a few people start to use it in pubs more and more are likely to follow suite. Maybe you just don't know what kind of call outs to make, what information to convey, or maybe you're just apprehensive about talking on the mic. But seeing someone else to it can make a snowball affect as you learn about comms and gain confidence.


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Point is it should be an option.

 

Absolutely, it SHOULD be, it's nice to have, but it's by no means "unacceptable" for it to not be present and most certainly not as huge an issue as what OP portrayed it to be.


Edited by reVelske, 30 May 2015 - 11:54 PM.


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Broken VoIP rant

You bring me something that can do speech to text, or sign language to voice/text, then I'll use your VoIP, until then it's a useless feature for me.


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We need to be given incentives to reproduce...

 

Dinner and a movie. Just the dinner. An appetizer. A snack. Screw it, I don't need incentive. Where do I sign up?


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And once again: "You little F*cktard! I f*ck your mom! How can you be so dumb? FFS! Son of a b*tch!" 

 

This.

 

If VOIP is restored, I'm gonna have to waste all kinds of extra time at the beginning of the match muting everybody.

 

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Look there are always different levels of play but voip would make hawken more team oriented and organized for people that want to run tactics but for the sake of argument it needs to be in game and not one sided ... one team using team speak is so unbalance when the other is not.


You're not listening. It's the public teamspeak that anyone can use.
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I agree with Saturday.

 

We funded - Reloaded (Tiggs) and I, several others - this TeamSpeak so YOU can use it.

 

Get it?

 

Public.  For Public Use.  So you and anyone else can use it.


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You're not listening. It's the public teamspeak that anyone can use.

 

You can't really expect people to just know that it exists, and want to go out of their way to download the program and get it set up. In game voip is instantly viable with none of the hassle. Some people are probably also more comfortable or more willing to communicate with in game voip, rather than having to go navigate a TS to find people they're playing with.



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How bout no voip or ts or anything because people are scary and talking to them is even worse


talking to them! With your voice, to real humans! It's horrible :c

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Hawken TS is a way to get voip because it doesn't exist in game now.  Any 3rd party solution will require a bit of extra work, but at least it's an avenue that exists for players to utilize.  Just getting the word out helps out a bit for promotion of voice communications, regardless of bother to get it working.  

 

Actually quite simple, download TS, set the Hawken TS to a bookmark, open client, click bookmark, bam you're in.


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I know plenty of people have plugged the hawken TS on this forum at every opportunity they can. Don't tell me people don't have every opportunity to hear it exists here on the forums or in pub matches even. They work hard to make it known.

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I guess its a bit difficult to for players unknown to each other,  for the most part,  to try and work together as a team as opposed to getting spread out all over the map. For me, I really try to pay attention to the radar and use a little common sense and gut feelings as to where I should be in relation to it.

 

Try playing without one's radar for a while, that will open your eyes and make one realize the communication value of radar alone. Yes, a form of a team voice chat can make things better I suppose, but I say learn the value of map awareness, your position and your radar as to where not only the enemy is but where your teammates are so you know where you should be.

 

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I know plenty of people have plugged the hawken TS on this forum at every opportunity they can. Don't tell me people don't have every opportunity to hear it exists here on the forums or in pub matches even. They work hard to make it known.

 

That's still not an excuse.

 

If you want to work together and coordinate vocally as a team download this 3rd party program, oh also there's always the chance you could be playing against others who are coordinating against your team with this 3rd part program. Is not an excuse.

 

I mean, it really doesn't matter to me. I use TS, but it's dumb to assume that in game voip would have no value because you just expect people to use TS.



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Let me start off by saying that, I play League Of Legends as my main game. 

 

And much like League, i think Hawken has this, team-fight gameplay that is so essential, as a lot of mechs work well with others. I main a Predator Mech and therefore will always ask for help when I flank the enemy, so that they are distracted with the main brute force that they don't see my burst coming.

 

However it's hard to communicate this with only "Enemy Spotted" and "Request Help", it would be nice to get a few more commands, maybe in a radial menu like in LoL. Pinging locations like we do now, except with signals like:

 

"Group here"

"Assist me"

"Focus ____ " 

"DANGER, BACK AWAY FROM" 

Etc. 

 

These would make it so that you don't HAVE to use VOIP or any other voice-comm software for people who can't use them as often (People like me, in University with roommates.) 

 

In a lot of games I see people slowly getting caught by the enemy team that are advancing as a group and we lose 5-6 points simply because we cannot really communicate to our team that we should back off. 


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Along with Hawken, I also play another game which has:

 

Team Objective based gameplay with different characters each with their own different abilities including it's own version of legit wallhax, a medic that can continually heal and even lower TTK then Hawken with so many instant kills it's idiotic. Each map also has multiple paths to each of the multiple objectives per map.

 

It has a perfectly working VoIP. Like Hawken had long ago.

 

Which barely anyone uses. Like in Hawken, long ago. Out of 61 hours, maybe 3 times total has someone used it and it was mostly nonsense stuff (including that one guy which I swear was a pedo, or another guy saying "medic" 30 damn times before someone but a rocket up his arse and he had to respawn).

 

You don't need VoIP or chat to work together in a video game, you need common sense and a general understanding of the game mechanics. VoIP may be an issue that is lacking in Hawken but it is far, far from the world ending catastrophe that some people make it out to be. 


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If more people paid attention to "help requested" and "enemy sighted" voip wouldn't be as necessary


It's annoying when I'm being chased by the entire enemy team and my team ignores my desperate spamming of both while searching for enemies across the map.

 

Welcome to most of my world. I have zero issues scouting for and finding the other team or stragglers, I point them out and ask for help, but most my team insists on either scattering, or standing on the opposite side of the map hiding. I get the feeling however that even if we got team-speak back, all I'd end up doing is asking for help and pointing the enemy out, while my team tells me to be quiet and stop talking. I poop you not, if you try to communicate and give instructions/directions, no one wants to listen. The game is infested with CoD rejects and other brainless ejits who have no interest in winning or team work, because 'it's a free game and I just want to have fun'. 

 

This game needs to be fixed up, put into a final release state and charged for- get all the freeloading morons out of the game and leave the players who actually care about winning...


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