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are a detriment to hawken gameplay... it slows down gameplay and keeps any competitive gameplay down

Edited by _pariah, 07 June 2015 - 06:55 AM.


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comp-a-tative


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Competitive


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com-pet-i-tive

 

edit: it's funny though -- the Rocketeer is considered weak by competitive players because hellfires are easily dodged and they lack the airburst mechanic of the TOW; you rarely see them in high-MMR lobbies because of this.


Edited by brackets, 06 June 2015 - 02:40 PM.

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The discussion of techs is a long and heated one with good points on both sides. I personally am okay with the tech in the game and don't think it'll ever be removed after the 100's of pages of discussion on it, but who knows. Maybe hundreds more will do the trick.  :tongue:

 

As for the Rocketeer, no its not. Its a mech with its own abilities, just like the Predator, or the Grenadier, or the Raider. And if it slows down gameplay that's your fault, defeating a rocketeer is all about movement timing.  :thumbsup:


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wat?

 

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For some reason I had a feeling something like that was going to be the case lol


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on the other hand this may be someone we all know and love. From Thesaurus.com:

 

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NOT Hobo.


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well, it was worth a shot. *sigh*


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Obvious troll as Thirdeye pointed out in his other thread. Just report and let the mods match up his ip address to his other account(s) and reprimand him.

It's too bad you can't report someone on mobile devices.

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I think he played Bunker. But still, withotu skillfires, players with low-end rigs and 20 FPS will be unable to hit anything :P


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Yeah the OP is right, every body should play fuzzy bunny scout ! Everything else slow down dat game !

 

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P.S.: Rocketeer role can be compared to SharpShooter (minus hitscan, plus bending missile), it doesn't slow down the game more than any other sniper.

Obviously the tech slow down the game, as any other healing class in any other game. Guess what ? I think that it was introduced on purpose.


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Yeah the OP is right, every body should play fuzzy bunny scout ! Everything else slow down dat game !

 

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P.S.: Rocketeer role can be compared to SharpShooter (minus hitscan, plus bending missile), it doesn't slow down the game more than any other sniper.

Obviously the tech slow down the game, as any other healing class in any other game. Guess what ? I think that it was introduced on purpose.

yeah im pretty new and just started to use the tech and if the rocket guy im healing dont get support from team or be aggressive guess who will kill me like 5+ times (a scout)  :teehee:


Edited by FuzzyCupcake, 07 June 2015 - 02:09 AM.

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Rocketeer slows down the game? Pfft, you haven't seen my Ketchup'Jizah on a good day. Of course, he's not good on every level, but I like being distance support.

 

Mostly use the default weapon, though. HEAT is kinda distracting and I never gave it the EOC pucks. Probably should.



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Heat Cannon is distracting? How?

 

I cannot tolerate Seeker anymore after having used EOC and Heat Cannon extensively, both do what Seeker can, only multitudes better.



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Because when I do use it on my Grenadier I tend to focus too much on charging.

 

Which is why I prefer seeker for Ketchup'Jizah.



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well, it was worth a shot. *sigh*

 

 

More like Armored Klown, but not quite right.


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Rocketeer slows down the game? Pfft, you haven't seen my Ketchup'Jizah on a good day. Of course, he's not good on every level, but I like being distance support.

 

Mostly use the default weapon, though. HEAT is kinda distracting and I never gave it the EOC pucks. Probably should.

 

I use EOC and Hellfires on mine. Could never get a good timing going with the HEAT and Hellfires, plus there's nothing like an enemy walking over all your mines behind a wall and then bending Hellfires into his face as he comes around the corner.  :teehee:


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are a detriment to hawken gameplay... it slows down gameplay and keeps any competitive gameplay down

 

no



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techs need to be taken out... there has to be ways to punish mechs grouped up.. it shouldnt be strategically for the whole team to stay in 1 group...  they should be one easy target and tows should splash on all of them... there should be no tech or even repair orbs for that matter to allow it to be beneficial to sit in a group.. ruins gameplay... there should be mechs spread out battling.. not two groups of mechs at a stand off colnstantly healing



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EMP is there to punish deathballs, albeit it can be difficult to utilize properly.

 

And Tech die pretty quickly to good players with actual good aim from what I can tell so far. What tier of MMR games are you basing your opinion on anyways?



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we should be able to mortar or grenade launch the anti fuel item or even the emps and isms... they should be dropped in.. not a straight line fire that do... or they need to be buffed to punish groups of mechs... no game is it beneficial to sit in a large group yoiu should be easy targets... there should only be one heal in the game... to be vulnerable and go into heal mode where u cant move.. all other heals defeat the purpose of the game



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techs need to be taken out... there has to be ways to punish mechs grouped up.. it shouldnt be strategically for the whole team to stay in 1 group... they should be one easy target and tows should splash on all of them... there should be no tech or even repair orbs for that matter to allow it to be beneficial to sit in a group.. ruins gameplay... there should be mechs spread out battling.. not two groups of mechs at a stand off colnstantly healing


I have had a mech idea earlier that could counter this grouped up playstyle with more aoe type of weapons. Check it out: https://community.pl...ito/#entry25913

Edited by Chocksa, 08 June 2015 - 04:25 AM.


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I don't honestly see a problem with deathballing, for a game with as long a TTK as Hawken, deathballing will always be the most effective method of play than to spread out.

 

Again, I don't believe Tech is as problematic in higher MMR games, at least, that's my impression for 1900+ MMR matches, simply because people are far more skilled as individuals and don't have to rely on team as much for kills.

 

Also no idea what you mean by EMS go in straight line, it very much works like a grenade and is lobbed in a curve. What I WOULD like to see is allow EMP to be triggered kinda like Detonator, and also rebuff Detonator/HE Grenade's damage (and possibly AOE), these will unquestionably make them extremely deadly against deathballs, but could potentially make them too overpowered as well. Hard to really say without seeing them in action.

 

On a second thought, "deathballs" don't really involve people gluing together tightly, it's more a case of people simply playing as a coherent team and watching each others' back, these AOE items will disable/damage 2-3 people at most on average and ultimately not really do all that much against the "ball" as a whole. Frankly, there are no "solutions" to people playing as a coherent team... well, aside from the other team doing exactly the same. There's really nothing wrong with doing so, it's just a matter of playing as a team and it SHOULD be encouraged, in fact, I wish we have an extra command button that says "STICK TOGETHER TEAM".


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Lol kinda funny

There are like sooo any stuff about tech plus in in combo and here comes rlthe rocketeer out of the blue XD lol
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Lol kinda funny

There are like sooo any stuff about tech plus in in combo and here comes rlthe rocketeer out of the blue XD lol

 That was my thought too xD


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