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The word cheese is used to describe strategies or ways of playing that are really powerful and do not require much skill from the players side at the same time. The term is widely used both in video games and tabletop games alike.

 

Sticking to that definition I don't feel that there are much cheese in hawken, maybe appart from specific powerplay for given maps.

I mean, uneven teams are not "strategies", a high player scout roflstomping a lower level server requires some skill.

 

Offcourse the actual meta favors some powerplay (tech'PPAcinerator, scanner) but so far nothing that can't be countered


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Thankfully not the G2 raider. The world of hawken would be a far more terrifying place if more people effectively used it.
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Meanwhile, on Omni TS: "Here come the 6-8 vocal Euros complaining about AC".


Edited by God-King Nept, 21 July 2015 - 01:00 PM.

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Meanwhile, on Omni TS: "Here come the 6-8 vocal Euros complaining about AC".

 

We have formed a committee and came to the conclusion at ASC, that "air compressor" is not recognized "cheese"...


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3. Predator mines with the Glitch God's blessing.

 

What's this ? :o


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What's this ? :o

Mines that are undestroyable by splash. And if you destroy one in a cluster, you only destroy that single mine in that cluster. It doesn't happen all the time so you can't count on it, but often enough that it grinds my gears.


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5. Zerker/Vulcan Gren.

4. Tech.

3. Orblord.

2. Incin.

1. Scanners.

 

*Honorabe mention goes to EMP radius.

(I admit that I play vulcan gren on occasion, and there was a period of a few days that I used MK1 scanners.)
(I tend to spam EMPs)
(I don't own a berserker, tech, or incinerator.)
(I have never orblorded, and never will).


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I think its funny some people think the Assault is "Cheese".

 

If the Assault is "Cheese" then the CRT is also "Cheese".


Edited by peacecraftSLD, 21 July 2015 - 03:02 PM.


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I think its funny some people think the Assault is "Cheese".

 

If the Assault is "Cheese" then the CRT is also "Cheese".

 

I'd be willing to bet that most people lump them in the same category


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Players that never use anything but Scout.

 

Get gud.


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I was going to say toe-cheese but the pictures were so disgusting and gross :yucky:  it would have been a crime to post any.... 

 

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This thread is cheese.

Entire Hawken is cheese, with some harder to play mechs and harder to use items.

On top of that, it gets cheesier.

If Hawken was a pizza, that would actually be a good thing.


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1. people who insinuate you Aim bot... until they are on your team.

2. smurfs

3. super evasive scouts
4. quick scope Sharpshooters
5. Origin
 


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1. Aim Bots

2. Hidden Smurfs.  Those who consistently queue with people below their mmr to farm.

3. Top tier players who farm regular matches with their worst mech and leave the match to join another before payback can be attempted.

4. Skilled Predators.

5. Skilled Grenadiers, the rarest of all.

 

Actually swap 1 and 5 , but I'll be darned if there aren't some talented people with bolt weapons.


Edited by cbrxx, 21 July 2015 - 10:19 PM.


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My favourite cheese is bread.
 

 
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Eat bread, you skrub.

 

 

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CURRENT STATUS: BREAD


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I would like to formally redefine the term "cheese". Most people seem to think it means something that has obvious positive results, which someone abuses, and has nothing to counter. This is incorrect.

Cheese has, and always will, be defined as something out of the ordinary, which has a huge chance of failure. Like a toss of a coin. If it succeeds, then you get to laugh in the face of your enemy because they were too stupid to do something before it was too late. It is comparable to trolling.

This definition largely revolves around my experience with Starcraft 2. A good example would be a popular streamer named "dragon". He would do things such as a proxy-cannons or cannon rushing, which could ultimately fail very easily if the opponent noticed the photon cannons on their screen, or scouted for them in time. This strategy made you extremely vulnerable if this happened. But it could also mean an instant win if it didn't. As a streamer, 'dragon' was known for the fact that, if he lost when using a cheese tactic, he had to eat raw powdered cheese on-stream as a punishment for losing. It was gross but funny and it helped people understand that cheese tactics are not something to always be proud of.

For me, a great example of a cheese tactic in Hawken would be 'shield+EMP baiting'. Basically, you toss down a shield between you and an enemy, and walk backwards. Then you wait for the enemy to run into the shield and EMP them as a trap. I've done it a few times, and it has a large chance of failure. But if you nail them, then it is an instant kill. The delay between items is usually too much to make it work reliably. But if I dance around the shield for long enough, I can sometimes make it work.


Edited by WillyW, 22 July 2015 - 07:39 AM.

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For me, a great example of a cheese tactic in Hawken would be 'shield+EMP baiting'. Basically, you toss down a shield between you and an enemy, and walk backwards. Then you wait for the enemy to run into the shield and EMP them as a trap. I've done it a few times, and it has a large chance of failure. But if you nail them, then it is an instant kill. The delay between items is usually too much to make it work reliably. But if I dance around the shield for long enough, I can sometimes make it work.


That's not cheese that's taking advantage of your enemy's idiocy.

My experience and understanding of cheese derives from Warhammer, and "beardy cheese" referring to dwarven gameplay mechanics that had no mathematical or rules-based answer.

By that definition there is very little in Hawken that is cheesy, outside of scanners and damage-boost mechanics. Stacking certain mechs may qualify but there are counter-picks to almost everything.
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That's not cheese that's taking advantage of your enemy's idiocy.

I think you just repeated back to me the exact way I defined cheese. Thanks for your input though. Cheesing is a tactic that is almost always considered 'all-in', and can often catch your enemy by surprise. But if it doesn't, then you lose almost immediately, like the Hawken example I provided.

Just to reiterate how you repeated it back:

"Cheese has, and always will, be defined as something out of the ordinary, which has a huge chance of failure. Like a toss of a coin. If it succeeds, then you get to laugh in the face of your enemy because they were too stupid to do something before it was too late. It is comparable to trolling."

P.S. There's an entire thread dedicated to defining the term "cheese". If you have any reference, other than your own opinion, please do share.

 

http://www.teamliqui...e-define-cheese


Edit: You could also refer to the link that Hyginos provided,
http://wiki.teamliqu...tarcraft/Cheese


Edited by WillyW, 22 July 2015 - 09:01 AM.

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If you have any reference, other than your own opinion, please do share.

I've honestly never seen cheese being used for anything other than cheap yet effective things.

 

If you want to make everyone use cheese the "correct" way, have fun trying.


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What's the opposite of 'cheese' or 'cheesy' in this context, just wondering..


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What's the opposite of 'cheese' or 'cheesy' in this context, just wondering..

 

Antonyms of cheesy: superiorappropriatebecomingcorrectfittingproperrightseemlysuitableconservativegenteelhandsome,neatquietrefinedrestrainedsimpleunderstatedcontemporarymodernup-to-datehappeninginmodish,swankchicclassicclassyelegantexquisitefashionablefineposhritzysmartsophisticatedstylishtasteful,handcraftedpolishedexcellentfirst-classfirst-rategoodhigh-gradetop-notch.

 

Polished first-class swank.


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What's the opposite of 'cheese' or 'cheesy' in this context, just wondering..

 

Fair and not irritating at the same time.  If it's fair and irritating, it's gonna be called cheese by someone.

 

On further reflection (pretentium of the day), I feel like cheese is whatever violates your idea of what a game is supposed to be.  The kind of thing where you just get yanked out of whatever fun you were having by the cheeser, which is also what has scared me out of wanting to do competitive anything in any game before this one - the meta of all games is kind of required by nature to include the cheesiest of cheeses because that's what wins games.  Minus orblording builds, hawken's meta is not all that different from the game I started playing as a noob, and I value that above damn near anything else.


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My experience and understanding of cheese derives from Warhammer, and "beardy cheese" referring to dwarven gameplay mechanics that had no mathematical or rules-based answer.

LOL, same here.


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Get gud.

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My favourite cheese is bread.
 

 
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Eat bread, you skrub.

 

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