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Bought the Raider, outfitted it with the ADV Fusor, Deflects and Basic Fuel Convert, DIS GON B GUD

 

AAAND spent the next 20 mins getting blown up.

 

Granted, being at 1800 mmr, that's what happens since people already know what they are doing.

 

So reflak is said to be a crappy version of the Miniflak, but I like mini flak on the vanguard so I have not played enough with reflak to complain.

I don't have a scout (due to it's terrible reputation as a pub stomper) so i can't compare the experience between reflak raider and mini flak scout, your thoughts?

I don't know about you guys but I find the reflak's ricochet angle a bit... sub-optimal.

And the heat generation, like the mini flak, can be horrendously crippling; auto shotguns need a bigger heat allowance.

 

Corsair KLA is a Rocket Launcher right? Or is it a grenade launcher with an arch?

I know it can switch mode to the MIRV, a projectile explosive shotgun with travel time. What's the ideal range to shoot the MIRV?

Still having trouble leading shots and knowing which mode to use and when, issue is compounded due to long reload time, forcing me to conserve my shots too much and die since i cant output enough damage to survive fights.

 

BLITZ I see can be used to engage or escape. I am faster over all and can fire while boosting, kinda handy, but I don't often survive using BLITZ due to my terrible timing and die ala "LEROY JENKINZ" since i get tunnel vision and ignore my radar when I BLITZ. :[

How do I use BLITZ effectively?

 

Anyway I understand the raider is often suggested to be played like a light mech.

In that case how does it compare to the Berzerker, Scout or an Infiltrator?

 

Any Internals suggestions?


Edited by Exomedia, 13 May 2015 - 04:39 AM.

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So, step 1 is to not die. Step 2 is to make other guys die.

 

Alright, real talk. The KLA is a grenade launcher, so it does arc. I use the MIRV anywhere between face-range and three steps away. Blitz is good for running down someone that thinks they can get away, or making sure that you yourself do indeed get away. One thing I keep in mind (note, not a Raider pro) is that the Raider is labeled as a "Rush-down assassin." While you do can dish out hurt, and get in peoples' grills good and quick, you should still be looking for stragglers, rather than square into the teamfight. Just cuz you're a B class, doesn't mean you can tank all the damage in the world. You said it yourself, the reload times and heat buildup can be crippling in tight situations. Run in, wreck a dude, run out. Also, you may want to try the T-32 Bolt when you get the chance. It makes you a little more burst dependant, but it works great with your ability, since you can charge it, Blitz in, unload, and run out. Just food for thought.


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Also hovering around 1800-1900 mmr, and just recently really getting into the raider (And g2) myself, I can definitely relate, and would also appreciate any tips and tricks from the community.

As far as what I've learned myself (Both from others and from personal observations), tho...
I can't say I like the reflak that much. Don't get me wrong, I think it is okay (And I have been stomped many times by it), but the heat is too damn high. And I never really got the hang of or paid much attention to the bouncing shots, seems situational at best. I did better with it when I didn't use it full-auto, and only fired shots when I was somewhat confident I could hit. But still...

I love the T-32 Bolt, though... Might be my favorite weapon in the game, actually. It's just fuzzy bunnyng cool. Granted, it took me a long tiime to get the hang of it (And I am still learning). But on semi-auto I find it comparable to the miniflak or reflak, except with much less heat. And fully charged, it's almost like a flak cannon. It's downside is that you usually need to be in your opponent's face (Or my personal preference, right behind them), and have ded-on aim. But the versatility of having either speed or power, when you need it, is awesome. Just got to get used to the rhythm.

The EOC Repeater seems like it could be awesome, too, but I just started using it not too long ago, and am usually pretty bad with it, so I can't comment on it too much yet.

The KLA... I usually use the MIRV mode. Again, a very in-your-face weapon that requires a lot of accuracy, but DAMN. A fully-charged T-32/MIRV 1-2 punch is a thing of beauty; it will almost one-shot techs and scouts (On the g2, it actually DOES one-shot techs and scouts).
I typically only use the grenades (And you'd be surprised at how straight they actually fly) at long range, trying to fight off groups, or increasing my chances of hitting particularly dodgy a-classes. If I can, I'll shoot a grenade while closing the gap to a target, and switch to MIRV before I'm in their face (Or at their back).

BLITZ... Great for escaping. Great for running down others who are escaping, which is probably what I use it for the most. I only usually use it at the opening of an engagement when I'm paying close attention to my radar, have good positioning relative to my target, and am fairly confident I can get the jump on them by being speedy. It's also good during a fight, if you need a bit of extra dodginess... Also, don't forget that you still move really fast even if you are just walking - Great for sneaking up on people fast, without showing up on radar.

The biggest thing that helped me, was learning not to play it like an Assault (Which is what I cam from), learning to pay close attention to my radar and where people are moving to and fro, and learning to be sneakier; Fight dirty, that's how the Raider do.


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Also, just because I coincidentally posted this a short while ago...
Shameless plug for a raider-centric video I made:
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In that case how does it compare to the Berserker, Scout or an Infiltrator?

 

 

It's most comparative to the scout due to the burst nature of the mech. Only compares to zerker and infiltrator in the respect that they are both assassin mechs. 

 

Don't fly around as a raider, your air speed is 26. 

 

In my experience (500+ Hours) I enjoy the reflak the most, I just prefer the ease of aiming and the sustained fire aspect of it. The EOC has a learning curve and can be extremely effective at dishing out great deals of damage. As DeeRax said, the T-32 is pretty good, you just have to land your shots. Make sure you can efficiently use the T-32 before purchasing the G2 raider as it's only primary is the T-32.


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I think there were some good raider guides in the old forums. Maybe someone can find a link? 


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Shhh you get around 300 burst damage once you get a charged T32 and your Corsair on not-grenade mode. Add a HE Charge or Detonator and one shot the pesky A mechs :D

 

I like reflak, I think its worth while to learn how to bounce the shots off walls


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The Raider imo is nothing like any other mech (excluding g2), it requires some finesse and a lots of patience. Theres a lot that goes into being a good raider pilot, there is no "standard procedure" for it. As a Raider you have to play slightly different against each individual mech. I ONLY have one build I like and have been running for the past year and a half or so; 2 slot deflectors, 2 slot failsafe, 2 slot extractor, mkII EMP, mkII repair charge.  I use this build with all primaries but my main is the T-32. Reflak has way more potential to be a better weapon in almost every situation but it just isnt my flavor. It's 5 am here so I'll get back to this post later and edit with some more detailed information. While you wait though.. here's some vids to mull over. 

 

Some duels: https://www.youtube....cZvHmE__lFcLd9K

 

Some real games: https://www.youtube....M-14vDqjw-B2std

 

I also stream regularly, link is in the sig. Lots of Raider gameplay. 

 

EDIT: 

 

Ask anyone the forums, they'll tell you.. "LoC's Raider, Best Raider" I'll back it up too scrubzillas. 


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I like reflak, but I don't think it's worth learning how it bounces because it doesn't bounce off 80% of the surfaces in HAWKEN

 

That's what you really meant right?


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Use eoc with raider
Just like eoc infil without stupid ability to kill things quickly
Also just like eoc predator without ability to cloak

Never use MIRV
Only run kla corsair
It looks better

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^ ping! Sarcasm detected.


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^ ping! Sarcasm detected.

 

totally serious

if its not an EOC raider it's destined to be up on blocks in the front yard by your late 20's

Bolt raider is the bitchin' camaro

EOC raider is a 50's 356

(incidentally the reflak is...it's own thing)

 

 

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(incidentally the reflak is...it's own thing)

 

Aint nuthin wrong with the Miata man.

 


Edited by Exomedia, 13 May 2015 - 04:36 AM.

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totally serious

Bolt raider is the bitchin' camaro

i still giggle when the ded milkmen song comes on.

 

 

Also Play T-32 Raider.

 

Tunnel visioning in and rocketshipping at one person is the most effective way to raider.  You go really fast and facehug them with the t-32.  Throw the kla where they are going to land their dodge then blast then in the face with t-32.


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Once thing to keep in mind with the MIRV is that it has a short wait time before the projectiles land (i.e. not hitscan), so lead those shots slightly. Also, it has a limited range, so don't bother trying to use it from a distance.

 

Here's how I play Raider.

 

1: Sneak up (or run up to quickly) on your opponent.

2: Make sure your aim is true, and hit them with a MIRV.

3: If you're using T-32, have it charged by that point, and release it slightly after the MIRV.

4: If using the Reflak, hold down that LMB.

5: STAY CLOSE.

6: Dance around your target, only launching MIRV when you have a clear shot. Go crazy with your T-32/Reflak, though.

7: Enemy dead.

 

Works most of the time. Most effective on unwary A-class and B-class. If you're going up against a decent C-class player, you should probably use KLA and EOC, and keep your distance.



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For me, it's the T32-Bolt all the way on the Raider.  I like to equip it with a health orb and a grenade or EMP.  Internals are usually an air compressor and whatever the slowly regenerate health thing is called.

 

How I use my Raider most of the time is to try to sneak around looking for "pounce" opportunities - where I can charge up the Bolt, hold a grenade or EMP ready, then launch my Corsair (in distance/lob mode), Bolt and item all at once at as close of range as possible (without splash damage), start spamming the single shot from the Bolt, hit the speed boost, finish them off with a final blow from the shotgun mode Corsair... and run like hell while my speed boost is still active to heal any damage with my orb.

 

Eh, there's probably better ways to use the Raider, but that's what works for me - mostly.

 

There are other times when I choose to turn on the EOC and use the Raider from a high vantage point to lay down pucks and lob in ranged Corsair fire to keep an area in chaos while the rest of the team moves in to clear it.

 

Remember to situationally adjust your Corsair's mode.  The shotgun mode is super for when you're up really close, but essentially useless from more than like 15 feet.

 

P.S.  What the heck is a MIRV?  I don't see that name associated with my Raiders anywhere.


Edited by StubbornPuppet, 13 May 2015 - 07:42 AM.

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https://www.playhawk...ary/corsair-kla
http://en.wikipedia....reentry_vehicle


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Don't play eoc on it unless you want to play the mech that gets punished the most in almost all solo situations. It's very powerful but it's definitely not for everyone.



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The damn raider... My natural enemy XD

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Ask anyone the forums, they'll tell you.. "LoC's Raider, Best Raider" I'll back it up too scrubzillas. 

 

I bet my life kopra would destroy your candy ass in a server with similar ping.


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I bet my life kopra would destroy your candy ass in a server with similar ping.


I'd love the challenge.

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Kopra isn't American, I think he needs some Freedom.


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Kopra isn't American, I think he needs some Freedom.

America F*** yeah!


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P.S.  What the heck is a MIRV?  I don't see that name associated with my Raiders anywhere.

The MIRV is the "shotgun mode" of the Corsair.



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  • Step 1. Pick Raider

 

  • Step 2. Realize it's terrible

 

  • Step 3. Pick Assault instead

 

I can write a more comprehensive guide with video footage containing my own personal commentary and a list of all of my sources from various databases and libraries across the countryside. Just let me know.


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Aint nuthin wrong with the Miata man.

 

 

Except it looks like a jellybean.


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Except it looks like a jellybean.

 

Cat toes look like jellybeans too.

 

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Here's how I played it :p


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  • Step 1. Pick Raider
  • Step 2. Realize it's terrible
  • Step 3. Pick Assault instead

I can write a more comprehensive guide with video footage containing my own personal commentary and a list of all of my sources from various databases and libraries across the countryside. Just let me know.</p>

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  • Step 1. Pick Raider

 

  • Step 2. Realize it's terrible

 

  • Step 3. Pick Assault instead

 

I can write a more comprehensive guide with video footage containing my own personal commentary and a list of all of my sources from various databases and libraries across the countryside. Just let me know.

 

 

 

  • Step 1. Pick Raider
  • Step 2. Realize it's terrible fun
  • Step 3. Pick Assault instead Choose not to lose your soul

 

More seriously for OP, don't engage Assaults or basically any mech other than rocketeer or tech in the open if you are both at full health and he knows where you are. Raider sucks at duels, it's awesome for choosing a wounded/stranded mech and laying murder into him. Be a sneaky panther, pounce on things you can kill quickly before retreating or switching to another wounded target.

 

If you miss your first shot in Raider you are dead, so be wary of your surroundings and try to creep onto people or bait them into chasing you around corners.


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Raider is excellent at duels, what are you talking about
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Why doesn't anybody move this to the mech guides section?
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Raider is excellent at duels, what are you talking about

 

Depends on the map maybe then, from what I've seen so far it doesn't fair well against stuff like Heat Gren or Flak Brawler. I'm specifically talking about maps where the person you are fighting can have a very good idea of where you are. Maybe it's different in the test arena.


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Depends on the map maybe then, from what I've seen so far it doesn't fair well against stuff like Heat Gren or Flak Brawler. I'm specifically talking about maps where the person you are fighting can have a very good idea of where you are. Maybe it's different in the test arena.


I've had good experiences dueling with Bolt Raider on pretty much any map with good MMR players. With a Bolt and KLA, potent close quarters dueling combo. Reflak works to a lesser extent but still doable.

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I've had good experiences dueling with Bolt Raider on pretty much any map with good MMR players. With a Bolt and KLA, potent close quarters dueling combo. Reflak works to a lesser extent but still doable.

 

 

I'll have to try it more then, duels I did against both Gren and Brawler were against better players than me so that probably didn't help me fully appreciate how to duel in Raider. So far I've found Heat Scout to be much better at engaging them, though Blitz is a godsend in duels. I'll try it more, I want to make it work :D


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I'll have to try it more then, duels I did against both Gren and Brawler were against better players than me so that probably didn't help me fully appreciate how to duel in Raider. So far I've found Heat Scout to be much better at engaging them, though Blitz is a godsend in duels. I'll try it more, I want to make it work :D

The only redeeming part of a dueling raider is blitz, otherwise its pretty much impossible to out deeps any other mech, especially something like a flak brawler or vulcan gren.

 

1. Drop a KLA on them from yard, get some free damage in while you can.

2. Get as close as possible without sacrificing health or fuel

3. Activate Blitz and get in close, normally now i'd switch to the MIRV. C classes are big enough target so it's difficult to miss a MIRV.

4. Get in really close, break the turn cap and stay away from the TOW.

5.???????

6. Profit

 

If you waste your blitz I guarantee you'll lose, so much relies on it. Effectively you're using it for multiple purposes in just a single fight; closing distance, breaking turn-cap, and buying time for your MIRV. When Blitz is up my main focus is avoiding his damage and making an accurate shot with the MIRV, if you miss your shot you're probably dead. I like the T-32 in this fight because of the amount of boost/dodging I do to break turn-caps, more often than not I'm not even looking at my target until my MIRV is ready. This strategy is counterintuitive to the reflak because it requires you to stay on target to get the maximum deeps. This doesn't make the reflak worse in any duel scenarios, it's just not my style. 


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I play only the T32 on the Raider, I've found EOC to be fun but I'm not consistent enough with it and Reflak doesn't fit the boost-dodge-shoot-boost as well, some people can use it effectively but I've just found T32 to be more effective in peekaboos and general dancing.

 

The rare duels I managed to win in this Gren/Brawler vs Raider against these players in particular happened exactly like you described, a solid KLA hit without getting hit myself followed by Blitz and landing every MIRV while evading their secondaries. That's the part I struggled the most with I think, evading those tows or GL while closing in vs C classes. One of those players mentioned something Kopra does that seems smart as well; activating Blitz in cover just outside of the audio cue range to surprise them.

 

Thank you for the advice, it's very appreciated! I'll put it in practice.


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 activating Blitz in cover just outside of the audio cue range to surprise them.

 

Just wanna remark on this real quick. Blitz walk/run can be extremely useful even in duels. You move nearly as quick as a boosting mech and you don't pop up on radar, so if you do it right you can trick them into misreading your position and MIRV them in the ass. The only issue is against players that listen well and pick up your foot steps, you can still surprise them though.


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The trick is, 2 use ALL ur wepaons only in their effective range as Raider. Shoot the KLA 1st in mid-range, until ur foe's health is half down, then switch 2 MIRV, Blitz in, hunt down, Blitz out, and - if needed - drop a blockade behind in a narrow passage 2 close the door behind u. If done so, an additional, funny option is 2 turn around, and fire ricocheted Re-Flak shots around it, while the surprised pursuer runs in2 ur wall and gets hit without a chance 2 advance on u further, until he's half down too, or even dead, hahahaha... This worked pretty well 4 me in most cases. I wouldn't recommend that daring feat, if u r low on health urself, though - blockades don't last 4ever... ...and so u don't...

 

Generally, it's essential 2 keep out of open engagements as soon as heavy fire is returned, because u have the 2nd lowest armor of all B-classes. Sneak up from the flank by simple walking, shoot a KLA and some Re-Flak shots, get behind cover, rinse and repeat, until at least 1 enemy is almost dead and retreating, Blitz in, hunt down, Blitz out. That's all about it. Generally i prefer the Re-Flak over the T-32 Bolt, due 2 its greater effective range, and the ricochet-effect. It's much moa versatile, but u really need 2 watch ur heat level. Click each Re-Flak shot, because autofire ovaheats faster and u probably miss moa shots. If u prefer cornerplay, go take the T-32 Bolt. 2gether with the MIRV it's much much betta 4 that.

 

I recommend the Fuel Converter / Basic Fuel Converter (4 ensuring u can travel even moa distance while Blitzing in AND out), the Evasive Device (4 moving even faster than light), and the Deflectors (well - guess y). Items should include Blockades and EMPs or Mobile Scanner. I had pretty much success with that loadout, but i guess there's a lot of other combinations that work well, too. Happy raidin...

 

Regards, gArphEus.

 

 

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P.S.: sorry 4 graveyarding that topic. Realized too late how old it was. Muahaha...






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