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i think there should be a thorough research into migrating the game into unreal engine 4. with UE4 we can get better graphics capability and some steam VR suport. i am not sure what ells we would get but UE3 is fairly old and the net code sucks.


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It might be easier to dramatically improve upon the UE3 engine instead of a complete port to UE4. I'd rather see a DirectX API upgrade than anything else. In any case, the net code is actually fairly optimized in streaming assets, handling client updates, sending positions I/O, etc..


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To use a new engine they would have to completely remake the code from scratch pretty much. Not fesible

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My understanding is that you don't "migrate" from UE3 to UE4 so much as you rebuild the entire thing from scratch.


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Odinous, that was a bad idea, and you should feel bad.

 

Now go to your room.


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Odinous, that was a bad idea, and you should feel bad.

 

Now go to your room.

fuzzy bunny you, your not my real mom, you cant tell me what to do


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From the wise words of General James "Mad Dog" Mattis: "Not only no... but FUZZY BUNNY no."


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My understanding is that you don't "migrate" from UE3 to UE4 so much as you rebuild the entire thing from scratch.

 

THIS.

 

There are no migration tools to get UE3 project into UE4. Even the fkin landscape can't be migrated. 

Complete rebuild I'm afraid.


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Reloaded can make some really custom stuff if their lead Tech guy is as experienced with EU asvthey say. What would be good for now is a DX11 upgrade. Although it's still a lengthy porting process, it's much easier than a full rebuild. I have faith that Reloaded can pull this out.

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And why not? It would take some time but HAWKEN is not such a 'huge' game like The Elder Scrolls or Final Fantasy with tons of scripts to bring it on Unreal Engine 4. Besides UE4 is the most pleasant piece of tech to work with. But honestly, I think it's a $$$ related issue...



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And why not? It would take some time but HAWKEN is not such a 'huge' game like The Elder Scrolls or Final Fantasy with tons of scripts to bring it on Unreal Engine 4. Besides UE4 is the most pleasant piece of tech to work with. But honestly, I think it's a $$$ related issue...

 

The Creation engine was worked on by 150 different programmers over 3 years. At most Hawken will have 5 people working on it, including a tech lead, all of whom need to be familiarized with the massively customized toolset the previous developers coded to get Hawken out of baseline UE3 before so much as fixing broken bits let alone porting the damn thing. 

 

No fuzzing shizz it's a money related issue.


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Reloaded can make some really custom stuff if their lead Tech guy is as experienced with EU asvthey say. What would be good for now is a DX11 upgrade. Although it's still a lengthy porting process, it's much easier than a full rebuild. I have faith that Reloaded can pull this out.

 

Well dx12 would be a wiser choice if it's doable for a small team, I doubt it tho

But UE4 with Hawken2 in 1-2 years? I would love that



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As far as I can tell only the the client is UE3. The back end platform is all custom code, and even the update process hinted at portability issues - you had to completely download hawken for evey update, no matter the amount of changes.
ADH did things quickndirty. Maybe that's why technical debt was such an issue at their demise.

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Given that a total "port" to UE4 is prettiy tedious as some said, I'd be more than OK with providing Hawken the possibility to run in at least DX10 mode. That should improve the performance quite a bit.


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And why not? It would take some time but HAWKEN is not such a 'huge' game like The Elder Scrolls or Final Fantasy with tons of scripts to bring it on Unreal Engine 4. Besides UE4 is the most pleasant piece of tech to work with. But honestly, I think it's a $$$ related issue...

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. What does that even mean, 'huge', in terms of a video game? How does one define 'huge' in the gaming industry?

 

In any case, there's a pretty slim chance that money has a direct connection with porting Hawken, since the technical process is a greater burden than money—especially given the current limitations of Hawken's design.


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Well, they should optimize the game first, since it is horribly optimized.  I can run Killing Floor 2 on Ultra, DX11, at a steady 60-50 FPS, but I can only get 50-40 FPS on HAWKEN on high.


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Well, they should optimize the game first, since it is horribly optimized. I can run Killing Floor 2 on Ultra, DX11, at a steady 60-50 FPS, but I can only get 50-40 FPS on HAWKEN on high.


KF2 is also on UE4 and DX11. The texture sizes are smaller as well. It's not that HAWKEN is poorly optimized for what it's running on, it's that it's running on what it's running.

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KF2 is also on UE4 and DX11. The texture sizes are smaller as well. It's not that HAWKEN is poorly optimized for what it's running on, it's that it's running on what it's running.

 

No, it's literally poorly optimized. ADH admitted it.


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No, it's literally poorly optimized. ADH admitted it.


My FX 6350 and Radeon 7770 1Gb with 8gb of RAM used to run it at 90fps with dips into the 70s and if no one was around I'd see spikes of 100+. Seems pretty well optimized to me.

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My FX 6350 and Radeon 7770 1Gb with 8gb of RAM used to run it at 90fps with dips into the 70s and if no one was around I'd see spikes of 100+. Seems pretty well optimized to me.

 

Check your memory usage.



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Check your memory usage.


I keep my memory pretty clear. Nothing on the desktop, nothing runningbin the background, so memory is rarely anything I concern myself with. And just because it uses a lot of memory doesn't mean poor optimization. It just means it's running on UE3 and DX9. Unless that's what they meant when they said it's poorly optimized.

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The higher the polies, the better the lighting and the more particles you pump into UE3 the harder it is to not clog memory. That's my understanding anyway.

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Seems pretty well optimized to me.

Fact is, Hawken has had many optimization issues, and Adhesive even said so themselves.

 

Everything from code, to the general structure of how they did things (eg. The reason G2s had to have special XT weapons because it was technically difficult to change the loadout of the older classes), and even how the maps were built.


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Fact is, Hawken has had many optimization issues, and Adhesive even said so themselves.

 

Everything from code, to the general structure of how they did things (eg. The reason G2s had to have special XT weapons because it was technically difficult to change the loadout of the older classes), and even how the maps were built.

Didn`t some of that change with the newer things, at least with mechs?


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Didn`t some of that change with the newer things, at least with mechs?

Yeah. I don't remember exactly what they did, but some of the newer mechs, and the G2s, are somehow set up differently that allows them to more easily change the loadout.



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Hello pilots!

I am for the fact that the developers have implemented game on UE4.
The game is still in beta version, developers can start collecting money on Kickstarter, or Steam.
Just for 2012, UE3 looked fine. But the court in 2015, and only one universe is difficult to attract new players. Remember the recent trailer Fallout4 and negative reactions of community to it. After E3 show gameplay became more positive reviews.
I would support this idea financially.
Developers have any roadmap?
I would like to see here thought the developers themselves.

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brb redoing all game assets, lol

 

They should make a forum section for "shitty suggestions," where all of the bad suggestions get moved to.  It could even be moderated by the community!  I see nothing wrong with this approach.  



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brb redoing all game assets, lol

 

They should make a forum section for "shitty suggestions," where all of the bad suggestions get moved to.  It could even be moderated by the community!  I see nothing wrong with this approach.  

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Odinous, that was a bad idea, and you should feel bad.

 

Now go to your room.

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Ash: I coulda been king, you know. They wanted me to teach them, to lead them... but my place is here. So I answered the original poster's question, drank the potion, said the magic words, and here I am.

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Ash: Well, not every single little syllable, but yeah, I said the words.













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