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No offense at all to the folks running, promoting and posting about their Leagues, Events, Tournaments and Clans, but these have been taking up about 40% of the posts in the "General Discussion" board for several weeks now.

 

Again, it's really great that folks are so active in the Hawken community, but there are already appropriate forums for these topics:

Clan Hall: https://community.pl...um/9-clan-hall/

Community Events: https://community.pl...mmunity-events/

 

As one of the many members of this community who do not have the time or inclination to join these clans and events, I suppose I find it a little frustrating to weed out all of the numerous daily posts in the General Discussions forum.

 

I'm sorry, I realize that the General Discussion forum is the most read and viewed part of the whole Hawken forums... but there has got to be a better way for you folks to look for your posts in the appropriate part of the forum.  Open to suggestions.  (As well as to those who are going to post for me to STFU... it's not my intent to antagonize.)


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While I personally have no problem either way, I do think you're overstating the issue here.

 

Examples:

 

Yours is the only TPG related thread on "Recent Topics"

 

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In my "My Content" page, TPG appears 6 times, 2 of which are tags (granted I may post more than 99.8% of the population) for a total of 4 threads. That's on a page with 25 entries.

 

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And General Discussion has 9, 3 of which are tags, for a total of 6 threads out of 60.

 

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10%. So yeah, it does take up more space than just about any other topic I can see why you'd perhaps want us to post elsewhere. But on the other hand, it's ten percent. TPG is one of maybe 4 groups actively trying to increase participation in Hawken and in some sectors trying to get more people back/into Hawken. So while I get where you're coming from, I think there's valid reason for it. 

 

However, further to your call for suggestions and as a gesture of good faith that I'm just defending something I believe in, I'd suggest moving Community Events up to right under General Discussions. EDIT: In fact, I just asked Tiggs if that would be possible, pretty please with sprinkles on top.


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If I see something like "TPG, Comp League, Tournament" skip, skip, skip.

 

 

Actually wrong forum section, just because the OP wants it to have attention ... well, pathetic.


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TPG related topics are the only relevant topics I've been seeing for the past few months. The rest is just bullcrap.

Don't like TPG threads in GD? Make the devs create a TPG subforum.


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A league is neither a clan nor an event. Theres tons of stuff totally irrelevant to my personal tastes too, but that doesn't mean I'm going to ask people to move stuff to the wrong sub forum.

The Community Events subforum has traditionally been the place for the announcement of events, but even then, I've had an event thread moved to general discussion and stickied here as well.

General discussion is the most fitting place to keep active members of the community updated with stuff that is neither clan nor event related.
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A league is neither a clan nor an event. 

 

Thaaaaaaaaaaaat's reaching.


Edited by Amidatelion, 13 July 2015 - 09:21 AM.


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I think the point is that the posts are in the wrong section of the forums. Which is true. These posts are about a community event therefore they should be in the community events section. Seems pretty black and white to me.

Yes the OP exaggerated a bit on his numbers but that doesn't make his point any less true.



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Unfortunately the forums aren't letting me edit my post, but the OP is jumping the gun. The only thing we can actually do is discuss if it actually belongs there.

I personally don't believe so, based on the definitions provided. I personally believe that complaints regarding this are primarily the result of these people not being interested in a topic (and are somehow offended that a post that doesn't interest them is posted in the most widely used subforum in the community). I personally believe that this is not a valid reason to move a topic to a different forum.

Edit: apparently when the forums refuse to allow you to edit your comment, and you go to type a new one, it deletes your original. Fantastic.

My initial post was stating that a league is almost by definition, not an event, and calling it one would be like stating that the cardboard box that contains crayons is made of wax. Every game is an event, but no games are posted here, and if they were, even though the games themselves are events, they're exclusive to all but 10 people, and certainly not community events

The threads regarding TPG are usually discussions and announcements on the framework of the league, and that's very much not a community event - and it's definitely not a clan.

Edited by ticklemyiguana, 13 July 2015 - 09:49 AM.

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Looks like the big TPG restrictions thread got moved to the Community Events section today.


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This reminds me of when all those threads popped up talking about how bad the spam was.
 

Actually wrong forum section, just because the OP wants it to have attention ... well, pathetic.

 

What's pathetic is how we need something to complain about. "Theres TPG in muh forums!" Forgive me if I don't pull the fire alarm. A lot of effort goes into the events that keep this community buzzing and I much prefer reading about that than the revolving door that General Discussion usually is.

 

I agree that we should move Hawken related sub-forums to sit within General Discussion for better visibility. I don't think this should prohibit the occasional post in General Discussion keeping the general community up-to-date with events, league or otherwise.


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Looks like the big TPG restrictions thread got moved to the Community Events section today.

https://community.pl...league-threads/

 

No, but seriously - have a look at the community events subforum now.

 

It's ludicrous, and the actual events are buried. It makes it look like the only events that occur aren't events at all, but discussions.


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Sorry folks.  My post certainly wasn't "angry" or "just because I want something to complain about"... definitely not "alarmist".  Like we are all entitled to do, I simply stated my thoughts and asked for opinions.

 

The suggestion to make/move the subforum for "Community Events" right underneath "General Discussions" is a great one.  And if a league is not a community event, then there should be a subforum right under that for "Leagues".

 

Like I said, though I don't get involved in them, I am a huge supporter of having these types of community interactions and would love there to be a better way to advertise and promote them.


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Sorry folks.  My post certainly wasn't "angry" or "just because I want something to complain about"... definitely not "alarmist".  Like we are all entitled to do, I simply stated my thoughts and asked for opinions.

 

The suggestion to make/move the subforum for "Community Events" right underneath "General Discussions" is a great one.  And if a league is not a community event, then there should be a subforum right under that for "Leagues".

 

Like I said, though I don't get involved in them, I am a huge supporter of having these types of community interactions and would love there to be a better way to advertise and promote them.

I appreciate the light hand. It's just an old topic often vocally expressed by a minority that has a hard time understanding that disinterest doesn't mean wrong subforum.

 

It seems however, that many of the threads have already been moved to the Community Events section, and if you look there, it's not exactly pretty.

 

In addition to it being the wrong forum for tons of discussion, its small number of topics also can't support the weight of the necessary creation of multiple threads that running a league entails.

 

They are very different, and currently General Discussion is both by definition the right place to put them, and the least harmful.


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Don't think so.

All these TPG related topics are being moved to the right forum section.

I think ohter people need to deal with it :D


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I'm hearing;

 

"TPG threads shouldn't be in general"

 

"TPG threads shouldn't be in community events"

 

"TPG should have it's own section, but not if that means it 'gets' it's own section"

 

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and now there are like 3 threads about where the threads should be

 

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Frankly, I couldn't give a flying fck where you put the tpg threads. I also wouldn't give a flying fck if there were a bunch of threads about some other league that I wasn't a part of.

 

We are making this a WAY bigger deal than it needs to be.


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TPG related topics are the only relevant topics I've been seeing for the past few months. The rest is just bullcrap.

Don't like TPG threads in GD? Make the devs create a TPG subforum.

 

Wow Elite. I'm sorry but that is just harsh and just wrong.

 

What you should be saying:

 

TPG related topics are the only relevant topics for me  I've been seeing for the past few months. The rest is just bullcrap to me.

Don't like TPG threads in GD? Make the devs create a TPG subforum.

 

The fact that you think that TPG is relevent to the entire Hawken community actually makes me want to facepalm. Maybe it's just a typo and that's what you truly meant.

 

Regardless, I'm glad that you think that everything else is just useless - I mean the dev's weekly update is useless right? Oh and what about all those other "useless" threads that some people put a lot of time and effort to write? Is that just useless too? I'm personally offended that one of my topics that took me hours to write, find the links to, recopy because of my stupid computer and browser, think over and put myself and my flaws on the internet, to be considered what you called "bullcrap". Maybe I should just never do that ever again and also not care a thing about this forum. :/

 

And sorry if I do sound annoyed, because I am. 



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Regardless, I'm glad that you think that everything else is just useless - I mean the dev's weekly update is useless right? Oh and what about all those other "useless" threads that some people put a lot of time and effort to write? Is that just useless too? I'm personally offended that one of my topics that took me hours to write, find the links to, recopy because of my stupid computer and browser, think over and put myself and my flaws on the internet, to be considered what you called "bullcrap". Maybe I should just never do that ever again and also not care a thing about this forum. :/

 

And sorry if I do sound annoyed, because I am. 

 

Weekly updates? LEL

 

And yes I'm right. For the past few months there have been no good threads. I remember when there was art, stories, good suggestions, discussions ...

Now because the game's been the same for like 2 years, people don't have anything good to talk about. I only check the forums to talk to my TPG teammamtes or see TPG announcements.

 

If people are gonna be hating on what we do and like, don't expect me to not hate back at the rest.


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I'm personally offended that one of my topics that took me hours to write, find the links to . . . considered what you called "bullcrap". Maybe I should just never do that ever again and also not care a thing about this forum. :/

 

And sorry if I do sound annoyed, because I am. 

 

I mean, I get that fairly regularly.  Just look at the whine and cheese parade here - and at the whole "basis" for their complaints in the first place.  Let's face it: beyond the occasional update and decent forum post, there's not been much worth reading.  Nor have there been any significant game additions beyond the private server initiative.  Which is PERFECTLY FINE considering their backend and hiring efforts.  We shouldn't, however, pretend that there's been a wealth of worthwhile forum content upended by TPG and other event announcements.

 

Anyway, back to the whole offended thing.  I wouldn't bother being offended.  If you feel a post/thread/event is worthwhile making, just do it.  Can't let a few whiners dictate your efforts.  Those sorts simply don't matter.


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I mean, I get that fairly regularly.  Just look at the whine and cheese parade here - and at the whole "basis" for their complaints in the first place.  Let's face it: beyond the occasional update and decent forum post, there's not been much worth reading.  Nor have there been any significant game additions beyond the private server initiative.  Which is PERFECTLY FINE considering their backend and hiring efforts.  We shouldn't, however, pretend that there's been a wealth of worthwhile forum content upended by TPG and other event announcements.

 

Anyway, back to the whole offended thing.  I wouldn't bother being offended.  If you feel a post/thread/event is worthwhile making, just do it.  Can't let a few whiners dictate your efforts.  Those sorts simply don't matter.

 

 

Your right Nept. Maybe all this negativity is getting into my head as well. :/

 

As far as your plight goes, I cannot say that I understand. But if it means anything, I'll offer my opinion. These TPG threads are not all too much when you consider what they are about. The videos should be presented in media, the posts should be posted in Community Events until TPG gets large enough, and multinational enough, to get a TPG sub-tab. I also think that this would also be around the time when "clans" or groups become a thing in this game.

 

The whole fuss that is going on right now is, in my opinion, due to the outrageous amount of negativity that is currently on the forums and the lack of content. With nothing better to do, people complain, some do it casually and it normally escalates from there. Then it becomes a TPG vs Non-TPG war which is literally like one - nothing gets accomplished but suffering

 

I personally don't mind it. I prefer it if as many people are happy as possible but this is not a simple example in this case. But  this is my blunt opinion; deal with it everyone, because I prefer this than no TPG like in the dark days. 


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Well said.






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