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is that so difficult to rationalize and/or comprehend?

 

1.- Keep an eye on radar

 

2.- Keep an eye on team mate UI labels

 

3.- Try to stick together during the match

 

--------> == that was close or we won the match.

 

Simply as that, guys

 

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Edit :

 

I forgot to write something like "To who may concern.." as header of my OP in here. It's something obvious, at least for me, that I was adressing the OP to the entire community but to those who might be concern or alluded somehow by it. I don't use to blame nor yell at anyone but trying to suggest things during a match for a better performance and -if possible- ending or result. I probably was too straight writting this first post in here.. ;)


Edited by The_Silencer, 21 May 2016 - 11:43 AM.

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Nah it's actually much more complicated. Besides, you think those people know the forums?

 

 

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No, just walk towards the enemy holding down the L-Mouse button and occasionally pressing F.


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I think most players generally get this at the start of the match, but when chaos erupts the strategy gets abandoned and they need to be reminded to group up again.  Chaos erupts because the team gets flanked or pounded on or pinned down, and your team-mates all run in opposite directions, hoping to go heal somewhere.  Even if they do survive, you now have team-mates scattered all over the map, and they will be easy prey for a well organized enemy team that moves as one.  I think if more teams would employ "systematic withdrawals", backing up to the rear of the team to heal, rather than running like a madman, things might turn out better.

 

But, as was already mentioned, how many of those players are getting strategy advice in the forums in the first place?


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is that so difficult to rationalize and/or comprehend?

 

1.- Keep an eye on radar

 

2.- Keep an eye on team mate UI labels

 

3.- Try to stick together during the match

 

--------> == that was close or we won the match.

 

Simply as that, guys

If it were this simple you wouldn't be a 2100 peasant that you are.


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If it were this simple you wouldn't be a 2100 peasant that you are.

 

He's 2100? Heroku shows him as a nameless fuzzy bunny.


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The spawning system on TDM doesn't help this issue at all.  It's worse on some maps than others, but why it always seems to choose to spawn players as far from their team and as far from the action as possible... well, you just keep ending up pinned behind the enemy line and/or trapped in a corner.


To be serious for a moment this is just a joke

 


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No, just walk towards the enemy holding down the L-Mouse button and occasionally pressing F.

Wait..............what does the F do?



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1. check

 

2. uncheck

 

3. ignore

 

 

Sticking together is extremely boring and way too easy. Safety in numbers is way too powerful in this game as AoE weapons are rare except for the REV-GL, there is no relyable harrass weapon against a stick together team bump ball.

 

It is far more entertaining to go solo, sneak up behind and go nuts 5v1 when picking out the Tech.


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AoE weapons are rare 

 

You have played hawken right? Like, ever?


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You have played hawken right? Like, ever?

Probably never heard of EMPs and flanking too.


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-- AoE weapons are Rare--

 

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Heat Cannon Has NO splash

Tow has No Splash

Grenades have NO splash

EMP has no area of effect

ISM has no area of effect

KLA...

 

Nevermind you get the point

 

P.S also.... Please do try 1v5 me and my team while im playing tech... I'd love to see what happened to you


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There should be a callout subforum, and Demitron should moderate it.


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There should be a callout subforum, and Demitron should moderate it.

This made me giggle snort....

 

Just sayin


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... as was already mentioned, how many of those players are getting strategy advice in the forums in the first place?

 

A while ago I showed statistically, that if you were on the forums at all you were better than 99.4% of all the people who EVER played Hawken.

 

Lately, I have no clue what the destruction of MMR has made that look like.


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You have played hawken right? Like, ever?

 

If you consider a TOW or a Heat cannon as an AoE wepaon, sure, but I was actually thinking of artillery like weapons with an explosion radius of let's say the seize of the AA. This is worth to be called a real AoE weapon rather than these fart-like-guns.


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If it were this simple you wouldn't be a 2100 peasant that you are.

That was harsh as the fuzziest of bunnies. :)


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HA!

 

having into proper account that I'm one of the older HAWKEN pilots in here (IIRC, i registered some few days after Ash in here..) and also the fact that my pilot stats have been reseted at least 3 times during all these many years.. well, you should get the idea after sharing those few hints, isn't it?

 

anyways, I've never cared much about my MMR, even nor a rat a$$.. I used to stay 'til the match ends as a daily basis here; at least most of the times

 

What were we talking about in here though? Ah, yes.. basically about derrailing this topic and so forth.. keep up the good work; guys -not all of you

 

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HA!

 

having into proper account that I'm one of the older HAWKEN pilots in here (IIRC, i registered some few days after Ash in here..) and also the fact that my pilot stats have been reseted at least 3 times during all these many years.. well, you should get the idea after sharing those few hints, isn't it?

 

anyways, I've never cared much about my MMR, even nor a rat a$$.. I used to stay 'til the match ends as a daily basis here; at least most of the times

 

What were we talking about in here though? Ah, yes.. basically about derrailing this topic and so forth.. keep up the good work; guys -not all of you

 

SIL over

It is the condescending manner in which you wrote the poorly conceived OP that warranted the backlash. Your account registration date and lack of interest in your MMR don't help the case.


Edited by DerMax, 18 May 2016 - 03:59 AM.

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Derailing the topic?


Please don't pretend like it was very good to begin with.
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What's the big fuzzy bunnyng deal? Lots of amazing people have committed suicide, and they turned out alright.

 


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It is the condescending manner in which you wrote - Snip -

 

This Part is the bit that made me say...

 

Gefuct Not listening....

I honestly dont give a flying rabbit how long you've been playing, that is no excuse to talk down to people like your better than them....


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you boring freaks.. lol

 

Edit: Once more, I'm not English native but I am sure about that my English is better than your Castillian (Spanish Spanish from Spain, Europe). As a plus: lemme tell ya.. This topic was basically adressed to new members of this community, but seems to be that some few overinflated egoes in here are mostly unable to comprehend that. Anyways.. whatever


Edited by The_Silencer, 20 May 2016 - 05:46 AM.

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you boring freaks.. lol

 

Edit: Once more, I'm not English native but I am sure about that my English is better than your Castillian (Spanish Spanish from Spain, Europe). As a plus: lemme tell ya.. This topic was basically adressed to new members of this community, but seems to be that some few overinflated egoes in here are mostly unable to comprehend that. Anyways.. whatever

 

Freaks like me rarely belong in your group. We are off doing raider stuff you wouldn't understand (like flanking, bursting, killing a couple then coming back and saving the one crying "group up"  :wink:  ).

 

Fight as a team. In pick up games many pilots scream "group up" and what they really meant was "follow ME".

 

Fighting as team is really more important than being in a group. Some times the concept of 'group up' causes pilots to burst to their deaths when "fallback and regroup" is what is needed as hard as it may be. Staying off radar and hidden long enough to regroup is hard for many not just new pilots. Everyone wants to burst and they end up on enemy radar. You have to walk and work together to find the next spawning pilot without alerting the deathballing enemy ect.

 

I seem to tend to ignore predators, and somewhat infiltrators as far "the group" as they do their spy things in a cloaked manner. I try to stay out of the snipers lines, but i also kinda ignore the long range mechs in the aspect of who will "group up". So I guess to me "group up" mainly applies to the fire power mechs and i will congregate towards them. When your team has a tech/incin combo, it pretty much forces to be the center of your group and will be on radar most of the time so you have to adjust whatever play to them.

 

When the match starts and your team is going in 4 different directions, with no plan at all, you can type "Group Up !" if you want to but :)

Fight as a team and help each other. A balanced good battle is more fun than an empty win.

 

T


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Then,there's guys like me.

 

"Group Up" is irrelevant to me.  I know where my team is anyway.  I know where each of the enemy is.  This form of cheating is known as 'Gamesense'.

 

I flank.  I hunt, I isolate, I streak through the deathballs and clean up the garbage.

 

Talon's right, 'Group Up!' means "Protect me, for I am weak but wish to lead".  If everyone has a minimal level of gamesense, they tend to work as a group anyway.

 

Then there are magical matches, where someone you don't know from Adam IRL and you, sometimes several someones, all share an equivalent amount of gamesense.  Through the aether, you figure out what each of these 'plugged in, cohesive' teammates are doing, and you use it, synergistically...  these are rare events.

 

I think "Group Up!" pilots are hoping for this moment, even if they express it inarticulately. 

 

I encourage pilots to be able to mesh like this.  Practice this, know where everyone else is, and where to move to intercept, interdict, deny, augment, enfilade, defilade, evade the trap, set the trap, be the hammer, be the anvil.

 

Your challenge awaits, Pilot.


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Did I say Call Me Ishmael?

 

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Freaks like me rarely belong in your group. We are off doing raider stuff you wouldn't understand (like flanking, bursting, killing a couple then coming back and saving the one crying "group up"  :wink:  ).

 

Fight as a team. In pick up games many pilots scream "group up" and what they really meant was "follow ME".

 

Fighting as team is really more important than being in a group. Some times the concept of 'group up' causes pilots to burst to their deaths when "fallback and regroup" is what is needed as hard as it may be. Staying off radar and hidden long enough to regroup is hard for many not just new pilots. Everyone wants to burst and they end up on enemy radar. You have to walk and work together to find the next spawning pilot without alerting the deathballing enemy ect.

 

I seem to tend to ignore predators, and somewhat infiltrators as far "the group" as they do their spy things in a cloaked manner. I try to stay out of the snipers lines, but i also kinda ignore the long range mechs in the aspect of who will "group up". So I guess to me "group up" mainly applies to the fire power mechs and i will congregate towards them. When your team has a tech/incin combo, it pretty much forces to be the center of your group and will be on radar most of the time so you have to adjust whatever play to them.

 

When the match starts and your team is going in 4 different directions, with no plan at all, you can type "Group Up !" if you want to but :)

Fight as a team and help each other. A balanced good battle is more fun than an empty win.

 

T

.. and most of what you told us above is what I like and I'd like to experience many times whilst playing online team games and also what I firmly pursued or intended while i was running my HWK clan in the past

 

I forgot to write something like "To who may concern.." as header of my OP in here. It's something obvious, at least for me, that I was adressing the OP to the entire community but to those who might be concern or alluded somehow by it. I don't use to blame nor yell at anyone but trying to suggest things during a match for a better performance and -if possible- ending or result.

 

It's also something pretty obvious that the team must stick together when, for instance, opponents are just giving laps around the edges of the map all together.. or when you notice that all your team mates are rendering dots on radar totally dispersed and becoming as alone ducks to who enemy binomials or higher groups are going to annihilate with ease.. et cetera

 

I don't use to be looking for trouble in the house but I'm human after all or the language barrier may be negatively helping at that upon a time.. but as I said, at least most, most, most of the times, I try to help others or enlight 'em a little if possible for a better experience and/or performance on the field

 

However, such is life, there're individuals to who you may label with pretty ease with various and well known internet tags.. sometimes not necessarily positive ones

 

P.S. you don't seem to be any "boring freak" -nor any other of those --tags either- to me.. so +1


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Then,there's guys like me.

 

"Group Up" is irrelevant to me.  I know where my team is anyway.  I know where each of the enemy is.  This form of cheating is known as 'Gamesense'.

 

I flank.  I hunt, I isolate, I streak through the deathballs and clean up the garbage.

 

Talon's right, 'Group Up!' means "Protect me, for I am weak but wish to lead".  If everyone has a minimal level of gamesense, they tend to work as a group anyway.

 

Then there are magical matches, where someone you don't know from Adam IRL and you, sometimes several someones, all share an equivalent amount of gamesense.  Through the aether, you figure out what each of these 'plugged in, cohesive' teammates are doing, and you use it, synergistically...  these are rare events.

 

I think "Group Up!" pilots are hoping for this moment, even if they express it inarticulately. 

 

I encourage pilots to be able to mesh like this.  Practice this, know where everyone else is, and where to move to intercept, interdict, deny, augment, enfilade, defilade, evade the trap, set the trap, be the hammer, be the anvil.

 

Your challenge awaits, Pilot.

Yes and not.. sometimes "group up" means something like "you better look for a friend now because you're about to be hunted down . Or sometimes "stick together" may imply the need of to hurry up at rendering a cohesionated ball on radar because the enemy team is turtling or about to do that.. long et cetera

 

Anyways, now yes! --> This is what this topic was intended to -as friendly discussion on the matter. Mabe I was too straight while writting the OP ;)


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