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I think the point is that Hawken hasn't been "advertised" since mid June. New players probably came and went, given how nice Hawken is to new players. It was a couple months ago. Hawken hasn't gotten exposure since the mid June broadcast, meaning its effectiveness is lessened. You two, SS396 and Nept, i feel are talking short term and long term impact, respectively. Long term impact sucks. Did markee person impact a few people? Probably, yes. Did it have a prolonged impact? Probably not given the lack of interest in the game from the streamer himself.

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I'd say Hawken hasn't ever 'really' had any advertising.  Facebook and streaming gamer feeds don't really count as advertising or marketing in my book.


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Your replies are replete with straw men, SS.  In fact, your "refutation" is based entirely on this particular type of red herring.

 

What's a straw man?

 


A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument which was not advanced by that opponent.[1]

 

The so-called typical "attacking a straw man" argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition by covertly replacing it with a different proposition (i.e., "stand up a straw man") and then to refute or defeat that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the original proposition

 

The issue with your text walls, SS, is that you're misconstruing my arguments.  You're standing up straw men, as wikipedia puts it.  You then attack these argument variants - which is easy to do, as you've reformed them full of fallacies - and pretend that you've successfully refuted my posts.  Now, since I'm uncertain as to your intent and abilities, I'll address each straw man you've created.  I think it's more likely that you're intentionally committing straw man fallacies, but it's possible that you're simply unaware of their existence and/or your errors.

 

 

 

Oh, so you are saying that all of the free keys he handed out during his stream as giveaways were never ever used, and any time he spent actually playing Hawken on his stream, did not bring a single Eve player to the game.

 

No, that's not what I'm saying.  At all.  What I said was, "I can't imagine that there's much crossover with Hawken [and EVE] players". This statement does not speak in absolutes, and doesn't discount the existence of EVE players who try Hawken as a result of MarkeeDragon's streams.  You strawmanned a probability-based, inclusionary statement into an exclusionary binary.  In so doing, you also committed what's termed the bifurcation fallacy (or black-and-white fallacy).  

 


 You're being awful close minded thinking that someone has to stream a game "a thousand hours" exclusively to advertise it. 

 

This statement constitutes a new level of straw man.  Congratulations?  What I said was, "But let's not pretend that this particular Streamer's going to contribute significantly to Hawken's population by playing thousands of hours of EVE"

 

For context, I wrote earlier in the post that 

 

Spoilers: it's nine hours of nothing but EVE.  But perhaps he plays a variety of games, Hawken amongst them?  Check his Past Broadcasts page.  Spoilers: it's hundreds of hours of nothing but Eve.  His only Hawken-heavy streams are from MID JUNE.  I even watched three hours of "Markeefest," wherein the participants talked PRIMARILY ABOUT EVE AND OTHER MMO's.

 

What I'm saying is that MarkeeDragon barely streams Hawken, and hasn't had a Hawken-heavy stream for months.  Indeed, the "MarkeeFest" that was sponsored by the people responsible for Hawken barely contained a mention of the game.  I can't recall a single instance of the word "Hawken" during the last 3 hours (the only 3 hours I "thoroughly" watched) of that stream.  Now, you can disagree with my conclusions, but you cannot pretend that I claimed that someone must stream over a thousand hours of a game to advertise it.  How did you even get there?

 

 

 

Also you are centering on one particular target, I am not, I am talking about the entire group of people Reloaded contacted about helping them advertise though streaming.  The streaming did bring players to the game and you know it, so your grip about his streaming is baseless. 

 

Two issues with this section. 

 

First, you've included an implicit strawman: "The streaming did bring players to the game and you know it".  Your statement implies that I'm arguing that streaming brought no players to the game, and that I've adopted that position knowing full-well that the opposite is true.  As I've already noted, however, my statements re: crossover aren't binaries.

 

Second, your logic is internally inconsistent.  You claim that I'm talking about one particular target and that you're talking about "the entire group of people . . . streaming".  Assuming this statement is true, let's examine your conclusion: "The streaming did bring players to the game, and you know it, so your grip [sic] about his streaming is baseless".  Here's the problem with your logic: The efficacy of MarkeeDragon's streaming is (for our intents and purposes) independent of streaming's efficacy as a wholeIn other words, a particular streamer can be ineffective even though streaming as a whole might be effective.  And since I'm discussing a particular streamer (as you yourself noted), my argument's unaffected by streaming's advertising efficacy as a whole.

 

Now, if I were claiming that streaming is an ineffective means of advertising (which I'm not), then your assertion that my gripes are baseless would make sense.

 

 

 

When I read your original gripe I get the gist that you think that someone streaming a FPS game such as CS:GO or TF2 exclusively on their channel is going to attract more people than someone streaming another game such as Eve.  That is false and I proved it with my own personal examples.  

 

Although you've hedged your thoughts with "I get the gist that," you've nevertheless crafted another strawman.  You've also arrived at another incorrect conclusion - even when we assume your strawman position. 

 

Let's look at the strawman first.  Nowhere have I argued that someone streaming another FPS game exclusively will attract more people (to Hawken) than someone exclusively streaming a game like EVE.  NEITHER OF THEM WILL ATTRACT MANY PLAYERS TO HAWKEN BECAUSE THEY'RE EXCLUSIVELY STREAMING ANOTHER GAME.

 

Now let's look at your conclusion:

 

  . . . you think that someone streaming an FPS game such as CS:GO or TF2 exclusively on their channel is going to attract more people than someone streaming another game such as EVE.  That is false and I proved it with my own personal examples.

 

Incorrect.  What you've shown with your personal examples is that some people (who you're assuming mostly play MMO's) will play Hawken alongside their favourite streamers.  The only statement that you could've proven false is the binary "Nobody who watches EVE streamers will play Hawken," which is either true or false, and which hasn't been forwarded by a single person within this thread.  You most certainly have not proven that FPS-heavy streamers won't attract more players to Hawken than their MMO-heavy counterparts - a proof which is largely irrelevant since, again, that wasn't anyone's main argument.


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Since I expect that only SS will (improperly) read my text wall, there are a few points I should address and reiterate.

 

1) My primary concern with MarkeeDragon is that he streams very little Hawken content.  As I've already mentioned, his only Hawken-heavy streams are from mid-June.  Multi-game streamers can be effective advertisers, but they need to actually play the game in question. 

 

2) Although I do think that you'll see less Hawken crossover from MMO's like EVE than from FPS', I don't deny (and never have) that MMO-heavy streamers can attract some players to Hawken.  To do this, however, they need to play Hawken.  And before someone argues about my crossover point, I'll remind you that advertising companies target demographics for a reason.

 

3) Shortly after writing my OP, I spoke with several streamers re: MarkeeDragon.  As I've already noted, he's known for selling currency through a variety of MMOs.  What I didn't know at the time is that he's also selling Hawken MC through his site.  From what I've gathered, he has attempted to establish a network of streamers (and perhaps SS can tell us more) that refer interested players to his MC packages.  Both MarkeeDragon and the referring streamer would, I assume, receive a percentage of sales (with the referring streamer receiving, I assume, a substantially smaller percentage).

 

So that's what's going on with that.



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I think the point is that Hawken hasn't been "advertised" since mid June. New players probably came and went, given how nice Hawken is to new players. It was a couple months ago. Hawken hasn't gotten exposure since the mid June broadcast, meaning its effectiveness is lessened. You two, SS396 and Nept, i feel are talking short term and long term impact, respectively. Long term impact sucks. Did markee person impact a few people? Probably, yes. Did it have a prolonged impact? Probably not given the lack of interest in the game from the streamer himself.

 
Nept is strictly focusing and targeting MarkeeDragon, there are still other streamers in the very same advertising group that still play Hawken during their streams.
 
Docgotgame, Moose_bank, and Victimgaming (who is employed by MarkeeDragon). Theres another streamer that streams on Hitbox named PandaCoLive. I'm not sure if Victim was part of the original contract though, but he does play Hawken on both his stream and directly on Markees while he's working, I've watched him many times on both accounts. So I've decided to include him in the bunch.

I watched Docgotgame play it not too long ago, which negates the original point that it hasn't been streamed since June.

Silverfire, long term impact has always sucked for Hawken, it has never kept very many people interested long term for whatever reason. I'm sure there was little difference between the exodus rates between Meteor's and Reloaded's time differential, since its the game that doesn't keep people not the company that owns it.

And lastly Silverfire thanks for discussing things instead of picking apart my post like another forumer, I really appreciate it.

1) My primary concern with MarkeeDragon is that he streams very little Hawken content.  As I've already mentioned, his only Hawken-heavy streams are from mid-June.  Multi-game streamers can be effective advertisers, but they need to actually play the game in question.


As I said TWICE earlier to you, there are others in the same advertising group you are not taking into consideration, some of those streamers are included in the Markeefest video you linked. I find it funny that you watched a video for 3 hours and had no clue that Moose_Bank (the big guy in the center of the video with the name tag) also streamed Hawken. A little bit of research goes a long way.

I also find it ironic and humorous that the "Hawken heavy " video you are referring to in June on MarkeeDragons Twitch isn't Markee at all, its Victim streaming on Markees Twitch account. Markee is a bald dude with a long grey goatee. I would of thought you could of identified it wasn't Markee by comparing it to the Markeefest video you supposedly watched in its entirety.

Perhaps there was a time frame that has expired that you were unaware of Nept. Something like a requirement clause to stream X amount of hours for X amount of times that I'm sure he successfully completed or he'd be in breach of his contract. There used to be personal private servers setup for each streamer, I don't see them on the list of servers anymore, so perhaps the advertising window has ended as I have suspected. I don't know what the terms of the contract were, but it would be extremely silly for Reloaded to do any advertising such as this without mandating a minimum hour requirement for the streamers to fulfil.

2) Although I do think that you'll see less Hawken crossover from MMO's like EVE than from FPS', I don't deny (and never have) that MMO-heavy streamers can attract some players to Hawken.  To do this, however, they need to play Hawken.  And before someone argues about my crossover point, I'll remind you that advertising companies target demographics for a reason.


You don't have to actually play hawken at all, you just have to advertise for it. Thats why its called advertising, I said this earlier, but you responded with your debate garbage instead of discussing the actual issue at hand and the point I was trying to make. I can advertise for Hawken without streaming a single minute of gameplay.

Is playing better, yes, of course it is, by far, but thats not what you have said. You said, " they need to play Hawken", and that is not true. All Markee has to do is ADVERTISE through whatever means is written in the contract. For example, he could e-mail his subscribers Hawken related updates, he could give Hawken a section on his personal website, which he has. I stated this point earlier and you ignored it, completely. Streaming a specific game is not the only way to advertise a game.

3) Shortly after writing my OP, I spoke with several streamers re: MarkeeDragon.  As I've already noted, he's known for selling currency through a variety of MMOs.  What I didn't know at the time is that he's also selling Hawken MC through his site.  From what I've gathered, he has attempted to establish a network of streamers (and perhaps SS can tell us more) that refer interested players to his MC packages.  Both MarkeeDragon and the referring streamer would, I assume, receive a percentage of sales (with the referring streamer receiving, I assume, a substantially smaller percentage).


Yeah, Markeedragon.com. I told you about the other streamers you were forgetting, but again you'd rather pick apart my posts than actually discuss things. Who cares if they receive a kickback or not, and why does it matter to you? They are still advertising for Hawken which completely negates your original gripe that one person isn't and hasn't since June. The whole time you are questioning, Markee has had Hawken content for sale on his website, he's even got blogs with news updates for Hawken written on the 7th of August, and another one written on the 22nd of July. I'm glad my post has forced you to do some research on your own, but you could do a bit more in my opinion.

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Yeah, Markeedragon.com. I told you about the other streamers you were forgetting, but again you'd rather pick apart my posts than actually discuss things.

 

You started the debate, and I simply finished it.  Now address the points.

 

Your replies are replete with straw men, SS.  In fact, your "refutation" is based entirely on this particular type of red herring.

 

What's a straw man?

 

 


A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument which was not advanced by that opponent.[1]

 

The so-called typical "attacking a straw man" argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition by covertly replacing it with a different proposition (i.e., "stand up a straw man") and then to refute or defeat that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the original proposition

 

 

The issue with your text walls, SS, is that you're misconstruing my arguments.  You're standing up straw men, as wikipedia puts it.  You then attack these argument variants - which is easy to do, as you've reformed them full of fallacies - and pretend that you've successfully refuted my posts.  Now, since I'm uncertain as to your intent and abilities, I'll address each straw man you've created.  I think it's more likely that you're intentionally committing straw man fallacies, but it's possible that you're simply unaware of their existence and/or your errors.

 

 

Oh, so you are saying that all of the free keys he handed out during his stream as giveaways were never ever used, and any time he spent actually playing Hawken on his stream, did not bring a single Eve player to the game.

 

 

No, that's not what I'm saying.  At all.  What I said was, "I can't imagine that there's much crossover with Hawken [and EVE] players". This statement does not speak in absolutes, and doesn't discount the existence of EVE players who try Hawken as a result of MarkeeDragon's streams.  You strawmanned a probability-based, inclusionary statement into an exclusionary binary.  In so doing, you also committed what's termed the bifurcation fallacy (or black-and-white fallacy).  

 


 You're being awful close minded thinking that someone has to stream a game "a thousand hours" exclusively to advertise it.

 

This statement constitutes a new level of straw man.  Congratulations?  What I said was, "But let's not pretend that this particular Streamer's going to contribute significantly to Hawken's population by playing thousands of hours of EVE"

 

For context, I wrote earlier in the post that 

 

[] Spoilers: it's nine hours of nothing but EVE.  But perhaps he plays a variety of games, Hawken amongst them?  Check his Past Broadcasts page.  Spoilers: it's hundreds of hours of nothing but Eve.  His only Hawken-heavy streams are from MID JUNE.  I even watched three hours of "Markeefest," wherein the participants talked PRIMARILY ABOUT EVE AND OTHER MMO's.[/quote]

 

What I'm saying is that MarkeeDragon barely streams Hawken, and hasn't had a Hawken-heavy stream for months.  Indeed, the "MarkeeFest" that was sponsored by the people responsible for Hawken barely contained a mention of the game.  I can't recall a single instance of the word "Hawken" during the last 3 hours (the only 3 hours I "thoroughly" watched) of that stream.  Now, you can disagree with my conclusions, but you cannot pretend that I claimed that someone must stream over a thousand hours of a game to advertise it.  How did you even get there?

 

 

Also you are centering on one particular target, I am not, I am talking about the entire group of people Reloaded contacted about helping them advertise though streaming.  The streaming did bring players to the game and you know it, so your grip about his streaming is baseless.

 

Two issues with this section. 

 

First, you've included an implicit strawman: "The streaming did bring players to the game and you know it".  Your statement implies that I'm arguing that streaming brought no players to the game, and that I've adopted that position knowing full-well that the opposite is true.  As I've already noted, however, my statements re: crossover aren't binaries.

 

Second, your logic is internally inconsistent.  You claim that I'm talking about one particular target and that you're talking about "the entire group of people . . . streaming".  Assuming this statement is true, let's examine your conclusion: "The streaming did bring players to the game, and you know it, so your grip [sic] about his streaming is baseless".  Here's the problem with your logic: The efficacy of MarkeeDragon's streaming is (for our intents and purposes) independent of streaming's efficacy as a wholeIn other words, a particular streamer can be ineffective even though streaming as a whole might be effective.  And since I'm discussing a particular streamer (as you yourself noted), my argument's unaffected by streaming's advertising efficacy as a whole.

 

Now, if I were claiming that streaming is an ineffective means of advertising (which I'm not), then your assertion that my gripes are baseless would make sense.

 

 

When I read your original gripe I get the gist that you think that someone streaming a FPS game such as CS:GO or TF2 exclusively on their channel is going to attract more people than someone streaming another game such as Eve.  That is false and I proved it with my own personal examples.

 

Although you've hedged your thoughts with "I get the gist that," you've nevertheless crafted another strawman.  You've also arrived at another incorrect conclusion - even when we assume your strawman position. 

 

Let's look at the strawman first.  Nowhere have I argued that someone streaming another FPS game exclusively will attract more people (to Hawken) than someone exclusively streaming a game like EVE.  NEITHER OF THEM WILL ATTRACT MANY PLAYERS TO HAWKEN BECAUSE THEY'RE EXCLUSIVELY STREAMING ANOTHER GAME.

 

Now let's look at your conclusion:

 

  . . . you think that someone streaming an FPS game such as CS:GO or TF2 exclusively on their channel is going to attract more people than someone streaming another game such as EVE.  That is false and I proved it with my own personal examples.

 

Incorrect.  What you've shown with your personal examples is that some people (who you're assuming mostly play MMO's) will play Hawken alongside their favourite streamers.  The only statement that you could've proven false is the binary "Nobody who watches EVE streamers will play Hawken," which is either true or false, and which hasn't been forwarded by a single person within this thread.  You most certainly have not proven that FPS-heavy streamers won't attract more players to Hawken than their MMO-heavy counterparts - a proof which is largely irrelevant since, again, that wasn't anyone's main argument.


Edited by Nept: Lord of the God-Kings, 10 August 2015 - 02:05 PM.


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YFW you realize you are at 2300 mmr,

have only 5 mechs in your garage ranked up all the way,

and called THE MOST FAMOUS HAWKEN PLAYER IN THE WORLD a b****

Spoiler

 

 

IMO its you who just went full Jaden. Never go full jaden.

 

I posted arguments regarding his statement, adn you... replied with 2 arguments, and 2 well defined dumb arguments - ad personam (no eng word) & from authority.

 

That way, more wisdom one can find on a train ticket, than in that... thing... you have posted.

 

I explained reason of actual value of my mmr. All you have to do is to take deep breath, focus, and read that 1 line of text.

I wish you good luck.

 

 

@EDIT: Oh and 1 more thing - i maxed FOUR mechs, not 5, sweetie.


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You started the debate, and I simply finished it.  Now address the points.


If you supposedly finished it, why would anyone have to address the points? lol.

Addressing the points would just derail the thread further, you updated your post with your reiteration, which then I responded to in lieu of, because it was more relevant to the topic at hand. But sorry if you wanted me to address the points, you shouldn't of posted your reiteration.

Now, back to the topic of ADVERTISING please.

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Goddamnit, Xacius

 

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SO.... Let me get this straight:  you were sitting there doing the happy dance long enough for the white car to pull up, park, discharge it's passengers, let them have a fight on the steps, then split up and go their separate ways?

 

Dude, you have a lot of happy to dance to behind the wheel.


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If you supposedly finished it, why would anyone have to address the points? lol.

 

You continually start arguments, spew fallacies and nonsensicals, and then run when it dawns on you that you're out of your depth.  Either address it, or stop initiating these discussions in the first place.


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You continually start arguments, spew fallacies and nonsensicals, and then run when it dawns on you that you're out of your depth.  Either address it, or stop initiating these discussions in the first place.

 

As you said before, "you can't cherry pick a sentence and ignore the rest".  Here is it again even though I thought it was pretty clear when I stated it previously, I don' t know how you missed it.

 

Addressing the points would just derail the thread further, you updated your post with your reiteration, which then I responded to in lieu of, because it was more relevant to the topic at hand. But sorry if you wanted me to address the points, you shouldn't of posted your reiteration.

Now, back to the topic of ADVERTISING please.

 

Now, MOVE FORWARD and lets discuss the topic of ADVERTISING or lack there of that you have claimed MarkeeDragon has engaged in.

 

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Listen Tiggs,

 

Thank you for managing to post an update on the community Hawken forums.

 

Please forgive me for saying so, but someone's gotta tell ya.....

 

We are all very happy

Sick. I've started not streaming Hawken at all for some time now, also not playing it, and am streaming some other games that I'm crappy at, like Nuclear Throne which is great and has an updated build every week. Also Life Is Strange which I'm awesome at, I think I'm gonna work on speedrunning that one.

 

I have an upcoming Hawken community event called Scrubeefest where I get Amid out to yet another Toronto hipster bar so we get rekt on local craft IPAs while webcamming us attempting to socialize with the vape chicks in the corner and getting them to play in our local Nidhogg tournament. I have 4 controllers so there will be some very lucky ladies on twitch.tv fo sho.

 

We will also be giving away 1hr old accounts with lots of HC and ~1600mmr (the sweet spot) with your choice of pilotname, we'll take care of the rest. Also I'll give away tons of steam keys from humble bundle discards like that Star Trek movie tie-in game.

 

I'm cautiously optimistic about this event but since Amid is an actual (contributing) community member and plays too much Hawken, it might be a bust. All I can ask is for you, yes you, loyal mech pilots, to please watch the stream, troll us on chat, and maybe sponsor our consumption of Maple Leaf brand bacon, poutine and a couple of fine Ontario craft brews.

 

Btw We will also have some special musical guests, probably four or five members of Broken Social Scene, Sloan, and as a bonus, the Tragically Hip if we reach 100 followers.

 

It's been fun

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i think nept is correct; even about the straw man. you have reasonable points ss, but there's no advancement of a specific debate when someone quotes their own post because you're not owning up to inconsistencies. there's too much history and stigma here for anyone to benefit in a meaningful matter from your arguing.

 

Your replies are replete with straw men, SS.  In fact, your "refutation" is based entirely on this particular type of red herring.

 

Oh, so you are saying that all of the free keys he handed out during his stream as giveaways were never ever used, and any time he spent actually playing Hawken on his stream, did not bring a single Eve player to the game

 

No, that's not what I'm saying. At all. What I said was, "I can't imagine that there's much crossover with Hawken [and EVE] players". This statement does not speak in absolutes, and doesn't discount the existence of EVE players who try Hawken as a result of MarkeeDragon's streams. You strawmanned a probability-based, inclusionary statement into an exclusionary binary. In so doing, you also committed what's termed the bifurcation fallacy (or black-and-white fallacy).

 

You're being awful close minded thinking that someone has to stream a game "a thousand hours" exclusively to advertise it.

 

This statement constitutes a new level of straw man. Congratulations? What I said was, "But let's not pretend that this particular Streamer's going to contribute significantly to Hawken's population by playing thousands of hours of EVE".

 



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i think nept is correct; even about the straw man. you have reasonable points ss, but there's no advancement of a specific debate when someone quotes their own post because you're not owning up to inconsistencies. there's too much history and stigma here for anyone to benefit in a meaningful matter from your arguing.

 

Thats fine though, his statement is a paradox.  Someone cannot continue something that the other has deemed finished.  He declared it finished, not me.  Opening it back up would just result in further derailing, no different than this discussion already has.  Its no longer about the topic of lack of advertising, its about one person picking apart another persons post at will and one person trying to embarrass the other instead of discussing anything.  Everyone is smart enough to detect the others intention(s) in this case.  You can't blame me for not wanting to get my hands dirty even bothering with it can you?

 

However, you did hit on something that I feel needs emphasizing and is worth responding to, and thats the biggest issue with this whole thing, the HISTORY.  Theres too many people on here that don't seem capable of letting things in the past go and would rather continue right where they left off than move forward.  Its rather sad really.  I'm forced to not respond to something I normally would have because of it, for fear that things with turn into this exact same outcome.  I'm not sure the people in question even realize that.  But whatever, theres still another post of mine he can pick apart and address if he wants.


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Again, it's pretty simple stuff.  You make massively illogical posts, rife with fallacies, only to ignore anyone who points out the issues.  The moment you say "Hey, yeah, I made some mistakes in my post," I'll stop mentioning those mistakes.

 

It's not your "history" getting in the way.  It's your abysmal argumentation.


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Well, Don't hold your breath because that isn't going to fuzzy bunnyng happen any time soon.  Your "mentioning" of those mistakes over and over was and is never to help further the discussion, it is to embarrass and ridicule.  Do not try to mask your intentions.


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Also, you say its not about my history.  I don't think you understood correctly, I didn't say my history, I said THE HISTORY.  Theres more to this than just my history, it contains history interacting with everyone across multiple forums, it contains your prior history also.  Like I said, you are simply returning to your previous actions in order to embarrass, humiliate, and ridicule me.  Yes, you've done the very same thing a number of times before to me.  At the same time you garner support from your friends and they gather around and contribute to the punishment, its easily displayed by who likes your posts, and who replies.  Its really obvious, written in black and white for everyone to see, I'm sure you have noticed it.  So don't act like you are doing this for any other reason but the fuzzy bunnyng shitshow and drama.


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9. Game Balance:

  - Slightly increased turret health (both MG and Rocket)

  - Slightly reduce detection range on the Portable Scanner

 

Since it seems to be somewhat lost in this thread, I will reiterate my previous question, as I feel it is important.

 

How much is "slightly"?


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Hey everyone,

 

I know you've not seen a lot of motion yet and you're all getting antsy. Going back and forth with each other on decisions we make as a company, is not going to solve anything. It's causing us to focus more time on the battles publicly and privately on the forums verse focusing on interviewing, getting trained up ect.   Agree to disagree and move on, the debates are getting way out of control. 

 

 

 


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