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I have a good Hawken buddy who was lamenting the fact that the Hawken servers have seemed to die off, recently,  not as many people on as there used to be.  

 

Well,  I have personally got 3-4 good buddies to play Hawken recently,  so I KNOW the problem is not the game.   

 

Let's face it:    Fallout 4 is here.   I have a driver who took off work a week,  just to play non-stop.   It's awesome,  it's a juggernaut.   Everyone wants a piece of the Fallout 4 action.   It's also single player,  not online,  so it's not a competitor game.   I suggest everyone relax.... Everyone will play it now,   get it out of their system,   and in 2-3 weeks,  finish the game and be back ready for more HAWKEN!   

 

Honestly I feel sorry for ANY game coming out now.   

 

So let's let the Fallout gamers do their thing,  relax,   maybe get online, and meet some mew hawken pilots,  and be ready next month.

 


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In before someone snitches to the thread police who will bust yo ass for transporting an off-topic thread across sub-forum lines over here to general discussions.

 

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Fallout 4 is awesome.


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In before someone snitches to the thread police who will bust yo ass for transporting an off-topic thread across sub-forum lines over here to general discussions.

 

SNITCHES JUST CANT RESIST HITTING THAT REPORT BUTTON

 

 

Look here little *****
Most of these ****z be bitches too
but you'll never hear that side of the story
So uhh, we finna do this sh*t like this

 

I'm here to school you to the rules of the game, it'll cost ya
Think you alla that just cause she let a ***** toss her
It's like a motherf*ckin privelige

 

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Lyin *ss ****** and you punk *ss snitches


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Not sure how it's off-topic.   People wonder why Hawken server populations drop.  Sometimes real world events happen.   The Super Bowl.  Le Mans.   Black Friday.   Fallout 4.  

 

I"m just telling people not to spaz.   I have 2 Hawken buddies who are tied up on it.   They'll be back.


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:nuke: The Fallout fallout   :biggrin:


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Really though, this can be said with any game and any future game, everyone will always migrate to the latest and greatest one.  Thats the major problem with Hawken, its already 4 years old and its showing its age compared to something such as Fallout 4.


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I heard it's really shitty job they did on this one.

 

You people are just blinded by the price you paid for it  :pirate:


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All the first person Fallouts will never beat the good ol' isometric top down turn based ones in my opinion.

 

Mainly because the story is so damn good that the game has you rooting through every single computer terminal to find a juicy nugget of lore.


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All the first person Fallouts will never beat the good ol' isometric top down turn based ones in my opinion.

 

Mainly because the story is so damn good that the game has you rooting through every single computer terminal to find a juicy nugget of lore.

Pretty much this. I don't even remember how many times I replayed the first two Fallouts, though the evil walkthrough to Fallout 2 probably was my favorite. Fallout 3 and New Vegas never tempted me to play them again, not to say they're bad games, but I was somewhat let down.


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Really though, this can be said with any game and any future game, everyone will always migrate to the latest and greatest one.  Thats the major problem with Hawken, its already 4 years old and its showing its age compared to something such as Fallout 4.

I disagree.  The Unreal engine used is great,  still gorgeous, smooth as butter on 1080p,  but besides Hawken looking pretty, it's the CONTENT that draws people in.  It's SUCH a solid shooter,  with no BS.  Wide variety of mechs  allow many different styles of play to master,  weapon choice is critical,  no real Uber-weapons,  and internal and item choice  must be thought out carefully.  It's equal parts cerebral and adrenaline.   No cheesy  stories or movie cut-scenes to spoil the action.  It COULD use some in-game voice,  but heck,  you can rent a Team Speak 3 server for 3 bucks a month.  I think it's about due for more content,  maybe a new map would be awesome!   And I DO miss those gems of Bazaar and Bunker Siege modes.   Comon,  let's put them in the lineup more often!  

 

I think Hawken is such a solid game,  people will always come back when the flavor-of-the-month has lost it's flavor. 


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I too am guilty of leaving Hawken to play Fallout. And perhaps it has affected my job and sleep a little bit this week, considering I already got 34 hours on steam... But yeah, it will probably pass some day.



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Pretty much this. I don't even remember how many times I replayed the first two Fallouts, though the evil walkthrough to Fallout 2 probably was my favorite. Fallout 3 and New Vegas never tempted me to play them again, not to say they're bad games, but I was somewhat let down.

 

I have to say my favourite was Fallout: Tactics. I know it gets bad reviews due it being pretty much solely based on combat and tactics, but if you overlook that there is a great storyline with some epic campaign missions. Not to mention rolling up to battle in a Big ol' hummer with your squad of Power Armour clad Warriors.


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Looking forward to getting my hands on Fallout 4. Still love me some Hawken tho :D


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I heard it's really shitty job they did on this one.

 

You people are just blinded by the price you paid for it  :pirate:

 

Personaly it's more by the good experience i had with the previous editions.

And a side from Ubisoft'shits i m a fan of open worlds and sandbox games.



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I disagree.  The Unreal engine used is great,  still gorgeous, smooth as butter on 1080p,  but besides Hawken looking pretty, it's the CONTENT that draws people in.  It's SUCH a solid shooter,  with no BS.  Wide variety of mechs  allow many different styles of play to master,  weapon choice is critical,  no real Uber-weapons,  and internal and item choice  must be thought out carefully.  It's equal parts cerebral and adrenaline.   No cheesy  stories or movie cut-scenes to spoil the action.  It COULD use some in-game voice,  but heck,  you can rent a Team Speak 3 server for 3 bucks a month.  I think it's about due for more content,  maybe a new map would be awesome!   And I DO miss those gems of Bazaar and Bunker Siege modes.   Comon,  let's put them in the lineup more often!  

 

I think Hawken is such a solid game,  people will always come back when the flavor-of-the-month has lost it's flavor. 

 

You can disagree all you want but if Hawken was such a solid game, there'd be a few more million players playing it constantly, I mean its FREE for christs sake.  All one has to do to disprove your theory is show the steam charts.  Every time theres an update, theres an increase of players for a little bit, then those players go back to whatever flavor of the week they were playing.  Thats been Hawkens issue from the start, it has never steadily attracted people and kept them.  When Reloaded took over and made their announcements, it brought many people back, but the long wait for anything new and the better//newer games out there keep everyone away.

 

I think you don't even realize that Hawken IS the flavor of the week if your example, people come back to see if the flavors changed, and it hasn't and many of those people won't bother with a 2nd taste cause the table service was so bad on their first visit.


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You can disagree all you want but if Hawken was such a solid game, there'd be a few more million players playing it constantly, I mean its FREE for christs sake.  All one has to do to disprove your theory is show the steam charts.  Every time theres an update, theres an increase of players for a little bit, then those players go back to whatever flavor of the week they were playing.  Thats been Hawkens issue from the start, it has never steadily attracted people and kept them.  When Reloaded took over and made their announcements, it brought many people back, but the long wait for anything new and the better//newer games out there keep everyone away.

 

I think you don't even realize that Hawken IS the flavor of the week if your example, people come back to see if the flavors changed, and it hasn't and many of those people won't bother with a 2nd taste cause the table service was so bad on their first visit.

A lot of people don't KNOW about hawken.... the fact that it's being redone is part of the challenge.  if it was brand spanking new,  that would be a draw.  But one of my Hawken teammates noticed it has one of the highest shooter ratings of all  FTP games,  the highest mech shooter.  I'm not saying this game is perfect.  I'd LOVE more content, maps,  etc.  I could nit pick a lot.   But for a free game,  it's more polished than many games with multi-million dollar budgets.   I've listed the problems with games I hate,  i.e. Call of Duty.  many games are linear,  and it's point shoot,  get the next best gun,  follow the maze.   How do I evaluate how good a shooter is?   By the quality of the competition.  This game has some of the best competition with the most skills I have played against in a while.  It keeps you on your toes.  

 

I didn't say it's perfect.  I complain with everyone else about the unbalanced teams,  How to deal with parties vs. solo teams,  etc.   It needs some work,  yes.   But I can tell you,  I've been playing this game almost a year and a half straight,   I can't remember the last time I played ANY game as long as I have this one.  It has staying power.


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A lot of people don't KNOW about hawken.... the fact that it's being redone is part of the challenge.  if it was brand spanking new,  that would be a draw.  But one of my Hawken teammates noticed it has one of the highest shooter ratings of all  FTP games,  the highest mech shooter.  I'm not saying this game is perfect.  I'd LOVE more content, maps,  etc.  I could nit pick a lot.   But for a free game,  it's more polished than many games with multi-million dollar budgets.   I've listed the problems with games I hate,  i.e. Call of Duty.  many games are linear,  and it's point shoot,  get the next best gun,  follow the maze.   How do I evaluate how good a shooter is?   By the quality of the competition.  This game has some of the best competition with the most skills I have played against in a while.  It keeps you on your toes.  

 

I didn't say it's perfect.  I complain with everyone else about the unbalanced teams,  How to deal with parties vs. solo teams,  etc.   It needs some work,  yes.   But I can tell you,  I've been playing this game almost a year and a half straight,   I can't remember the last time I played ANY game as long as I have this one.  It has staying power.

 

I disagree.

 

https://steamdb.info.../271290/graphs/

 

  • 2,794,729 ± 41,904 owners
  • 1,573,751 ± 31,519 players total 56.31%
  • 36,425 ± 4,809 players in last 2 weeks 1.3%
  • Playtime in last 2 weeks: 3.0h (average) 34m (median)
  • Playtime total: 6.2h (average) 1.1h (median)

 

 

That says 2.7 MILLION * (+ or - 41k) people (owners) downloaded and installed Hawken since Steam release.  I think thats a significant number of people that actually know about Hawken.  Sorry but low player count is not directly related to not knowing that Hawken exists, the problem is elsewhere.

 

*Note, this data is based on Steam ID's, so common players that smurf multiple times are not double counted unless for some odd reason they choose to have multiple steam IDs.  I guess things like VAC bans could inflate and skew the numbers but its got to be a fairly low percentage of the population.

 

I mean even at its peak it only attracted 8.3k players at one concurrent time after the initial Steam release. From that point its been a constant decreasing sinusoidal graph.  Yes some new content will cause another wave to form, but its doubtful it would be larger than the initial 8.3k concurrent players.  Sorry but you only get one chance to make a first impression.  That is going to be the toughest part that Reloaded is going to have to address.


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Really though, this can be said with any game and any future game, everyone will always migrate to the latest and greatest one.  Thats the major problem with Hawken, its already 4 years old and its showing its age compared to something such as Fallout 4.

 

I would argue (at least where graphics are concerned) Fallout 4 is a bad comparison for Hawken showing it's age (though I believe there are games against which Hawken does show its age). 

 

For me at least the graphics don't really detract from Fo4, but I've seen better. Which is fine, because the graphics for Fo4 still have a distinctly Bethesda feel which you can't help but love.


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As always, I say hawken needs a solid tutorial, some of the lore (re)introduced and get the gritty feeling back. For player retention that is.

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