So. every day has a 2000+ fuzzy bunny on every single server. They say they cant play each other, but often there are 2000+ servers. Frankly, this needs to be fixed or hawken is fuzzy bunnyed. No one wants to just get thier ass kicked because fuzzy bunnywads wanna feel special.
Smurfs, fuzzy bunnies and liars.
#1
Posted 07 April 2017 - 11:34 AM
#2
Posted 09 April 2017 - 06:35 PM
It does absolutely no good to cry about the terrible way the matchmaking system works on here, you'll get no pity and just ridiculed from everyone here including the devs. The devs don't see it as an valid issue since they are the ones that opened the floodgates to allow anyone waiting for a lobby for X amount of time free reign to pummel anyone well below their own skill levels.
The current 1000MMR lobby spread allowance is nothing but a failure. Its OK though only a few more weeks until we get to see the next chapter of Hawken, I think it'll finally be the straw that breaks the camels back, when the returning population voices their overall disapproval.
Also on another note I noticed your wording looks eerily familiar.
https://www.reddit.c...44ban/very_sad/
If you think you can come here and stir more things up after that whole fiasco, I'm afraid you are going to be majorly disappointed. Just walk away and find another game to play, theres hundreds to choose from.
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fuzzy bunny you CZeroFive
#3
Posted 09 April 2017 - 06:40 PM
Yeah! fuzzy bunny all those fuzzy bunnywads who fuzzy bunnyng got good at this fuzzy bunnyng game, they fuzzy bunnyng ruin it for fuzzy bunnyng everyone.
HOW fuzzy bunnyNG DARE THEY.
Edited by DeeRax, 09 April 2017 - 06:42 PM.
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#4
Posted 10 April 2017 - 01:26 AM
Yeah! fuzzy bunny all those fuzzy bunnywads who fuzzy bunnyng got good at this fuzzy bunnyng game, they fuzzy bunnyng ruin it for fuzzy bunnyng everyone.
HOW fuzzy bunnyNG DARE THEY.
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#5
Posted 10 April 2017 - 02:04 AM
So. every day has a 2000+ fuzzy bunny on every single server. They say they cant play each other, but often there are 2000+ servers. Frankly, this needs to be fixed or hawken is fuzzy bunnyed. No one wants to just get thier ass kicked because fuzzy bunnywads wanna feel special.
Oh good, it found the forums.
#6
Posted 10 April 2017 - 02:33 AM
So. every day has a 2000+ fuzzy bunny on every single server. They say they cant play each other, but often there are 2000+ servers. Frankly, this needs to be fixed or hawken is fuzzy bunnyed. No one wants to just get thier ass kicked because fuzzy bunnywads wanna feel special.
If there are under 100 people playing at any given time you're going to run in to good players...

Salvage: An Idea to Stop Leavers
#7
Posted 10 April 2017 - 03:03 AM
So just in case you missed it, because every time we mention it, you seem to miss it because it doesn't fuel your narrative: WE DO PLAY TOGETHER, JUST NOT 100% OF THE TIME BECAUSE OF COORDINATION ISSUES.
We're not always on at the same time, so we don't play together every time. Also, you have to realize that there are some 2000+ players whom we have had no contact with, on the forums, on the discord, in IRC, on Reddit, etc. We can't coordinate with them.
I don't think anyone would say that this isn't an issue that affects Hawken. I certainly think it is. But the long term solution, I believe, just isn't ready yet and the short term solutions won't do anything drastic because of the small playerbase. It most certainly is a population issue, and the opening up of the servers by the devs didn't do much to alleviate the issue imo.
So what happens when a high MMR player can't get into a high MMR server? You say there are high MMR servers every night, but what if I don't play at night? What if that server is full? These are all very real situations. Should the high MMR player just not play? Why should he (or she) have to sacrifice their own personal enjoyment of simply playing the game just to let a lower server enjoy some semblance of balance? If that player doesn't play, then that's just one less person in the game for the night. If this happens repeatedly, one might just quit altogether. And the real kicker to this is that even if that high MMR player leaves, lower tier players and new players will leave the game regardless because Hawken has other issues plaguing it.
Player retention is a far bigger issue than mere server segregation. And every time it's been brought up to you, you ignore it, call everyone an inbred fuzzy bunnyer and get mad. Every time someone tries to reason with you, you ignore the conversation and are only interested in saying what you want to say. The only time you'll listen is when someone marginally agrees with you, and even then, you don't hold a conversation, you just rant, saying the same thing a million different times. This is always a conversation worth having, but if you're not interested in discussing, then others will only further make fun of you because you're not being cooperative enough to allow such discussion. People don't like being insulted. And even if you don't care, others do, so for all your talk of high MMR players and how they should be considerate to lower MMR players, perhaps you should take a bit of your own advice and be considerate in your conversation and take note of how people respond to your vitriol, otherwise you should just leave. Hypocrites aren't quite as welcome, especially loud, rude ones. If you want respect, give some too.
Edited by Sriracha_Sauce, 10 April 2017 - 03:04 AM.
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Can't handle the sauce?
#8
Posted 10 April 2017 - 03:09 AM
It does absolutely no good to cry about the terrible way the matchmaking system works on here, you'll get no pity and just ridiculed from everyone here including the devs. The devs don't see it as an valid issue since they are the ones that opened the floodgates to allow anyone waiting for a lobby for X amount of time free reign to pummel anyone well below their own skill levels.
The current 1000MMR lobby spread allowance is nothing but a failure. Its OK though only a few more weeks until we get to see the next chapter of Hawken, I think it'll finally be the straw that breaks the camels back, when the returning population voices their overall disapproval.
Also on another note I noticed your wording looks eerily familiar.
https://www.reddit.c...44ban/very_sad/
If you think you can come here and stir more things up after that whole fiasco, I'm afraid you are going to be majorly disappointed. Just walk away and find another game to play, theres hundreds to choose from.
It's the same player, he drops into the community Hawken discord and posts the same stuff while drunk. After he was removed for repeated rule violations regarding inappropriate language (harassing admins in PMs, offensive wording) he wandered over to reddit and eventually these forums to post the exact same thing, not looking for discussion but just a place to scream and shout.
It's a shame really, that he's acted this way because I'd love for this discussion to happen.
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#9
Posted 10 April 2017 - 06:21 AM
#10
Posted 10 April 2017 - 07:15 AM
Serious question:
Is it better to have a full server or a small MMR spread? Especially nowadays when we have under 20 total players on in NA sometimes, should the MM risk uneven team numbers to break up MMR brackets, or should it risk large MMR spreads and try to get full 6v6 servers?
Also curious if the devs have data on what percentage of players lands in a match via the MM vs how many join a server directly.
#11
Posted 10 April 2017 - 09:08 AM
That reddit thread is amazing(LY SAD). SAD!
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#12
Posted 10 April 2017 - 09:11 AM
Serious question:
Is it better to have a full server or a small MMR spread? Especially nowadays when we have under 20 total players on in NA sometimes, should the MM risk uneven team numbers to break up MMR brackets, or should it risk large MMR spreads and try to get full 6v6 servers?
Also curious if the devs have data on what percentage of players lands in a match via the MM vs how many join a server directly.
At this juncture segregating further on the basis of MMR "fairness" will result in depopulated servers. 6v6 is more balanced and enjoyable anyways.
If and when the population breaks 500 avg MMR spreads can be revisited.
#13
Posted 10 April 2017 - 09:29 AM
If and when the population breaks 500 avg MMR spreads can be revisited.
That's true. Breaking up full servers is a solution that really only applies at very low pop, at which point the input data is so garbage that it almost doesn't matter.
I realized that the MM is probably getting players more or less one at a time. That gets really hairy when you have one very high or low ranked player to slot and only 2-3 servers to slot him in. You get a 2600 player in the queue when there are servers available at 2000, 1700, and 1400, and you have pretty much 3 options:
- Slot him in the highest ranked server that has openings. Hopefully that's the 2000 mmr one, but sometimes it won't be.
- Slot him in an empty server and hope he sticks around long enough to throw players at him.
- Don't slot him until you have a real match for him (you never will), and hope he doesn't give up and load up a smurf
Option 1 has proven to be very good at dropping an elite pilot into a server full of decidedly average players. Options 2 and 3 can force players to choose between smurfing and not playing, and it does so to the players that you really don't want smurfing.
Even the mathematically optimal solution with such a small playerbase is legitimately terrible.
Edited by wischatesjesus, 10 April 2017 - 11:13 AM.
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#14
Posted 10 April 2017 - 10:37 AM
#15
Posted 10 April 2017 - 11:50 AM
Y'know, I've tried many times to be a decent dude with OP. it's not working, obv.
I have a question, simply cuz it fits somewhat sorta kinda with OP's general idea within the vague ballpark along the broad strokes of what might be the gist of what he's getting at:
how many 2k+ mmr players actively search for a server to join thru the browser, as opposed to just selecting a game mode and hitting PLAY?
how many try the server browser method, only to find that there are no servers that one can join, only to queue?
99% of the time, the game itself is putting me in the situations that make OP salty.
then again, the OP also thinks the current meta is forced upon other players, so maybe we need to revisit that.
I, for one, am in favor of a new meta:
- All teams should strive to only use 2 different mechs, one of them has to be rocketeer, the other, tech. Once a team has more than 4 players, a committee must be formed to determine which players get to play other mechs, as 2 techetards on any team is OPAF.
- All kills by those filthy sabot users should be preceded by 360 noscopes.
- Once you hit 2000 mmr, you may only play naked fred. With AR.
- If you are 2k+ mmr, and your are stuck into a lobby with an SRD lower than your MMR, you must run scanner in order to aid the lower skilled players. This supersedes the naked fred rule.
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I like going against the best of any game I play. Helps you in the long run n motivates u to do more. Always room for improvement not failure

FIRST OFF WHAT THE FUZZ IS A "SHILL"
#16
Posted 10 April 2017 - 12:36 PM
<p>I, for one, am in favor of a new meta:
- All teams should strive to only use 2 different mechs, one of them has to be rocketeer, the other, tech. Once a team has more than 4 players, a committee must be formed to determine which players get to play other mechs, as 2 techetards on any team is OPAF.
- All kills by those filthy sabot users should be preceded by 360 noscopes.
- Once you hit 2000 mmr, you may only play naked fred. With AR.
- If you are 2k+ mmr, and your are stuck into a lobby with an SRD lower than your MMR, you must run scanner in order to aid the lower skilled players. This supersedes the naked fred rule.
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#17
Posted 10 April 2017 - 01:16 PM
One moment I'm sipping the first of my *hic* 20 drinks in /r/drunk and the next I'm totally owning all the power hungry nerds over in /r/hawken, telling them to stop spreading their fake news that they can't join on each other, that there's not enough servers, everything. But they totally censored me there and now I'm taking my fite to the people in the OFFICIAL Hawken forums, right after this next drink *hic*
When you get drunk again (assuming it's not a constant state), please type in "high tier cabal" into the search function of this forum and you can follow the rabbit hole to the truth you are searching for.
Be sure to tell us what you find and how it fits into your theory.
Edited by TheButtSatisfier, 10 April 2017 - 01:21 PM.
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#18
Posted 10 April 2017 - 02:06 PM
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What's the big fuzzy bunnyng deal? Lots of amazing people have committed suicide, and they turned out alright.
#19
Posted 10 April 2017 - 02:35 PM
It's the same player, he drops into the community Hawken discord and posts the same stuff while drunk. After he was removed for repeated rule violations regarding inappropriate language (harassing admins in PMs, offensive wording) he wandered over to reddit and eventually these forums to post the exact same thing, not looking for discussion but just a place to scream and shout.
It's a shame really, that he's acted this way because I'd love for this discussion to happen.
Thanks but I knew exactly who it was when I referenced the similarity.
Theres really no point to the discussion because each side cannot see or accept where the problem lies. The stompers and smurfers don't understand (or care) and realize how they negatively affect the weaker players enjoyment of the game, and the weaker players don't understand and realize how they affect the stronger players enjoyment of the game (which this specific half of the case shouldn't be that much of a problem to begin with because in a perfect world they are supposed to be kept separated).
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fuzzy bunny you CZeroFive
#20
Posted 10 April 2017 - 02:59 PM
Why are you guys entertaining his nonsense? I'm fairly sure he isn't being serious, so why bother replying to someone when they're clearly not after decent discussion?
Do you believe that decent conversations are the only kind worth entertaining?
If so, I have many follow up questions regarding your presence here.
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#21
Posted 10 April 2017 - 03:23 PM
Do you believe that decent conversations are the only kind worth entertaining?
If so, I have many follow up questions regarding your presence here.

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#22
Posted 10 April 2017 - 03:30 PM
Op this is far from a perfect game, so there'll obviously be times where you will get you're ass kicked. Just take it as a learning experience
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