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I don't remember what the answer was on this.  Hellfires will clearly lock onto (at least mid-flight) a stealthed mech.  Is this "working as intended", or is it a bug?  Rocket and Machine Gun turrets do not lock on or locate stealth.  If it is a bug then why is it not fixed yet?

 

If it is working as intended, what is the justification for this?  There are already WAY too many hellfires in this game, especially on certain maps.  Does the Seeker track stealthed mechs also?  It's already hard enough to avoid being hit by random weapon fire.  It feels "cheap" for a hellfire to lock onto me when the shooter had no idea I was there.

 

Anyway, just curious.  Thanks.



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If it is working as intended, what is the justification for this?

 

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Hellfires need to be locked onto a target before they will fire directly at it- any hellfires that are 'dumb fired' ( fired without locking on to anything ) will not magically find a cloaked mech and lock onto it. Chances are people are either dumb firing as it's quicker than waiting for a lock ( firing line of sight like a TOW works fine against slow moving or stationary targets ), or you are simply getting between the shooter and their target.

 

I'd suggest sticking to the perimeter of the map and working your way around behind any mechs you wish to attack, such as snipers, camped rocketeers, or guys just retreating to heal behind the rest of their team etc etc. A Pred that is wondering around cloaked mid-map will be easy to spot, especially if they have open ground behind them, and no walls to cling to...


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I don't remember what the answer was on this.  Hellfires will clearly lock onto (at least mid-flight) a stealthed mech.  Is this "working as intended", or is it a bug?  Rocket and Machine Gun turrets do not lock on or locate stealth.  If it is a bug then why is it not fixed yet?

 

If it is working as intended, what is the justification for this?  There are already WAY too many hellfires in this game, especially on certain maps.  Does the Seeker track stealthed mechs also?  It's already hard enough to avoid being hit by random weapon fire.  It feels "cheap" for a hellfire to lock onto me when the shooter had no idea I was there.

 

Anyway, just curious.  Thanks.

 

Hellfires do not lock on "mid-flight." A stealth target must be acquired like any other. Yes, a seeker will lock on to a passing stealthed mech if you are in its line of fire when it is fired.

 

Furthermore a stealth target still has an advantage over a hellfire mech in that they are more difficult (although not impossible) to visually acquire before starting the lock-on process. 

 

As to the justification, the problem with stealth in Hawken is that most people expect it to render them invisible. It doesn't. It was never meant to. It makes you harder to see and reduces your radar signature. Your outline is still visible. You distort visuals. You can still be heard. You still ping on scanners. Just like in real life, stealth still requires approaches from angles that the enemy is not focusing on. It is less likely that the enemy "has no idea that you're there" and more likely that they saw a refracted image, something that should not look like that, and started the lock-on from your last known position and you failed to notice their attention or your misstep.

 

If you want to be effective with stealth in Hawken, don't put yourself in the line of fire. As you say, you're going to get hit by random fire.

 

If Hellfires continue to be a problem for you, I recommend finding Hyginos' "how to dodge hellfires" image, which I'm told is more easily understood than my explanations with angles and speeds.



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just an info for who didn't know : HF can't lock thru a shield.


Edited by FRX23, 29 July 2016 - 08:41 AM.

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Most Surprising Mech PREDATOR...

 

Check out this and let me know if you think predator fills its purpose of being stealth mech.

 

 

 

I only watched 45 seconds of it but if the rest of the video is the same I can tell you that all his preys were people new to the game. They had the pred shooting at them in front of their face and did nothing to fight back, or were focused on another target instead of getting to cover.

 

Don't get me wrong, I like using my pred aggressively but that video is not a good example of an aggressive pred.

 

Back on topic, I think hellfires work as intended with cloaked mechs. What is arguable is the heat seeking explanation given by Sparky, because with that in mind a cloaked mech would show up on radar and it doesn't. I'd say that movement detection could be a more convincing explanation.


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I'll stand by the Heat signature lock-on.  Stealth can, even in the real world today, foil radar without even being remotely visually hard to see.  By the time our real-world stealth tech can pull of the visual cloaking trick... if it can't still foil radar, something has gone horribly wrong.

 

And, "Yes, it's working exactly as intended."  A cloak isn't a free pass across the battlefield, it's the ability to be sneakier... if you use it properly.


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an old tutorial on the use of cloak with Infiltrator specifically stated not to cloak while in an enemy's visual field, or move across any out-the-window view area.  you might be able to do this near cover/corners by popping a hologram and immediately cloaking and dodging--i've gotten nasal drink-douches seeing people pull this off successfully.  This advice is valid for Predatater as well.

i've also seen people pop cloak hiding from a DethBall and remain motionless while the emeny roars pasts them. 

beware though that people using LOW on Graphics settings can see you like a "Silver Surfer" if you so much as raise a weapon.

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