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Merl posted an apology for how he acted (taunting) in a competitive game and that got me thinking about what sportsmanship looks like.  On one hand, I believe that in a competitive environment I expect every player to push all of the rules to their edge so that they can maximize their options and potential.  In this case it's "rile up your opponent via kill cam taunting so that they don't have a clear mind to play".  It's a valid tactic that even the great Sun Tsu recommends.  So, this has been what I expected in a community.  But is it right?

 

The more I look into this subject the more that I'm happy this is frowned upon.  I like that although we are extremely competitive, this game and league is much bigger than just winning.  The value for having a good time and enjoying other people outshines the value for glory.

 

I would like to take this a step further.  People should be aware that when someone in your teamspeak is streaming, what you say is now public.  I've heard a lot of slander and fuzzy bunny talk from streams and I feel like that's not ok.

 

I also still hear homophobic/sexist things from people in this community, even people who I regard as close friends.  I've had talks with them individually but it's had little to no effect.  We all need to band together to make this a safe place from everyone to play.

 

I think the Hawken community is great and wonderful, but if we all can be a little more mindful and call people out on their fuzzy bunny, I think we can really show what a community can be.

 

Thank you for reading

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TLDR;What is said on stream is public, stop the hate slurs, community over glory


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I have to puke now. 

 

 

I wanna see this community if Hawken makes it to success, haha. 

What's so special about the whole thing anyways? The Hawken fun is not affected for me by stuff like that.

 

Yes I am just here because ... just because! :D

 

 

+1 LE

+1 Merl

 

 

EDIT: I'll probably never aplogize for anything myself xd.


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I agree wholeheartedly.

 

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Respect is something I feel is not held at great importance for many people. While I feel its the most crucial aspect of social interaction in online gaming communities (Maybe even in real life as well)

 

The way I treat people are as follows:

 

If you respect me, I respect you.

If you respect others, I respect you.

 

You break either of these rules then I'm sorry, you have lost my respect (TOTALLY implying anyone would want my respect xD)

 

Few other points about my small philosophy here:

 

You don't have to know someone to respect them

You don't have to like someone to respect them.

You don't have to know about what it is they have done that has earned them respect.

 

In other words, just respect someone as you would expect them to respect you.

 

It would be nice if more people would work by these rules. I think the world in general may be a better place. Its not hard I promise xD.


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but the haterade is so delicious


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Come on Crafty, you have been officially called out on your lies. Your online reputation is at stake here, this is just like an old school street race running for pink slips. Its run what you brung and hope its enough. Put up or shut the fuzzy bunny up.


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but the haterade is so delicious dewlicious

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I would normally ascribe to the "win at all costs" mantra, but when the stakes are so low in such a small community I don't see anything to gain from it.  Sure you might impress a few hundred people with your superior video game skills, but there's no money or sponsorship or anything else of value on the line.  May as well just have a good time with some other nerds who like this game.

 

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I'm not going to get into most of this discussion because I feel like there's going to be a dramafest on the horizon, but I will contribute to the following:

 

I also still hear homophobic/sexist things from people in this community, even people who I regard as close friends.

 

I have issued informal warnings about this stuff on the Hawken TeamSpeak and it seems to have taken. But please be aware that while this does reflect my personal stance, it is also part and parcel of the Officially Unofficial Hawken TeamSpeak rules. I shouldn't have to tell people to treat others like equals to begin with, but when you sign into the TS, you're agreeing to do so whether you like it or not.

 

With more streamers being online, and behaviour demonstrated over their streams being representative of the TS, please be aware that this will be more closely watched. Channel commanders (orange dot instead of blue) are streamers and feel free to request Channel commander privileges to be able to set that for yourself if you are streaming.


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Hawken is pretty remarkable in the way that it handles both it's competitive and public communities. On one hand it has high levels of competitive play, yet the players are mature, or at least sensible, enough to keep in mind that it's just a game, and there's nothing to be gained from negativity or exclusivity. And that is very important. This community has so much more to gain from being respectful and offering advice and mentorship. I remember ringing for axe attack during a scrim, and afterwords both teams got into the same TS and went over the game play and offered advice. I thought that was so refreshing.

 

I'm not saying everyone should be a super care bear and love each other totes 100%. And obviously when it comes down to game play everyone should be playing at their full potential.

 

But you just don't see what hawken has in a lot of other smaller competitive communities. You may see top players exude those qualities in the hopes of growing a player base, but usually on the inside it's a lot of negativity that doesn't really benefit the game or it's play at all.

 

There's a lot of old school players that think games actually ran on drama back in the day. You see it in their old forum hangouts playing out like some jerry springer/tabloid junk. They claim that's what kept things interesting and drove communities. But I don't buy it. I think it's just a necessarily tolerated downside of the times and scene back then.

 

As for the homophobic/sexist remarks, that is an unfortunate problem that exists well outside of just the gaming world. I personally refer to many a jerk as the "F" word. (bundle of sticks that is) I personally view that as a problem, and I try my best to avoid using these types of words, but it's not easy and sometimes I slip. But that's just kind of how we grew up, it's hard to rewire some reactionary parts of your vocabulary like that. Some people realize the problem and do what they can to change it, many don't. I guess my point is that it's kind of a cultural thing and it won't be an over night change, but it is worth working towards and setting a better example for.


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Rob_Graves does not agree

 

Rob_Graves does what he wants

 

But yes, respectful community for a team game is needed, unlike League of Legends



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I grew up in the Carter Era.  Things we used to say to each other back then would make an old skool gamer blush.

 

Times change, and I am pretty much a libertarian (not libertine).  Do what you want as long as you don't hurt anyone (except yourself). The speech patterns need to change - Hawken's my only game. You'd be surprised how much of the modern meme I get from you all.

 

So.. can we play Hawken now?


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Well said. We need to be visible in our stance against hateful behavior as a community. Look at the frontpage of Le's stream "No bigoted speech",or Merl's public acknowledgement of his behavior (props to Merl). Sometimes that's all it takes. The slurs etc. can not be ignored, and we must challenge those who use them as a community. No one is perfect, we all make mistakes due to frustration etc, but we need a space we can apologize and learn from them. 


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If you don't like what other people are saying, mute them.

 

Also, you are responsible for what you choose to do and say, and if somebody happens to be recording when you say or do something stupid, it's your own fault.

 

Personal responsibility ftw.



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Respect is awesome XD

but yeah I think it depends on the situation...

Edit: what I mean is that OK respect is always good
But not being respectful is acceptable depending on the situation (of course still it s not that cool)

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We all need to band together to make this a safe place from everyone to play.

 

I knew you'd come around Ellie.

 

  People talk mad s*** though, human nature. But we can do better.

 

On the subject of our community, tolerance, and safety;

 

I can't believe little mister gun threat is still here and not perma banned.

I understand he also made similar threats on a stream he has mod in. That would be a fine place to start.

What kinda person broadcasts that he has a carry permit in the course of attempting to intimidate those that find him ridiculous in an online gaming forum.

As far as I know, his victim had to flee his home state with his computer  so he could continue broadcasting The Witcher on super hard mode in safety.

We can do better.

 

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IMO this community still has quite a ways to go before i'd consider it to be respectful. I rarely post on these forums, rarely talk in-game if at all, hell even during clan events i'll barely say a word the entire time. There's a reason for this. 


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What's the big fuzzy bunnyng deal? Lots of amazing people have committed suicide, and they turned out alright.

 


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Lol dorobo

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Right now, the community on EU is not worth the word "respectful/great community". 

 

Taunting, Stomping, bad mouth, talking trash over and over, dont't switch in obv. unbalanced games and shooting at people sitting out...

 

Sometimes its really really hard to play further or being respectfully. Right now iam just muting people i don't like because of bad behavior, tauntingstyle and so on, so i can stay calm and play with fun.

 

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I'm not seeing all these terrible things you are describing. On EU. Between 1400-2000 MMR games. Maybe I'm blind. Stomping happens because unbalanced teams, nobody's fault; Bad mouth and excessive trashtalk are rare; If it's game that is going so badly that nobody wants to switch and auto-switch doesn't even happen, then it's probably best just to let the round end (I've only witnessed one instance of this on Siege); People being shot at whilst sitting out? Huh? Why are you visible whilst sitting out? People will shoot the first thing they see, not their fault.



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Well, i talk more about Games in 2000-2600MMR Range, and "sometimes" 1250-2500 MMR Range, where skilled or/and hacking pilots are stomping new pilots very badly.

 

Its not like that in every match, but in at least 10-30% of all matches. It dosn't sound much, but its enough for me, especially when it happens 3 times in a row, because there is no other server to join because of my mmr.

 

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I play in servers of over 2200 average MMR in EU, and I don't see much of those terrible things at all.

Most of the trashtalking, namecalling and badmouthing I see are jokes between friends.

 

Ofcourse there's the occasional sour fruit with which people clash, but luckily not too many.

 

 

I personally don't like switching teams myself, because it can unbalance the match even more.



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I personally don't like switching teams myself, because it can unbalance the match even more.

You unbalance the match too much already no matter what side you are on no matter who you are with. You've completed Hawken, go home and let us skrubs play our skrub game on our skrub level.

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I play in servers of over 2200 average MMR in EU, and I don't see much of those terrible things at all.

Most of the trashtalking, namecalling and badmouthing I see are jokes between friends.

 

Ofcourse there's the occasional sour fruit with which people clash, but luckily not too many.

 

 

I personally don't like switching teams myself, because it can unbalance the match even more.

 

1. you are doing something bad i won't say here right now

2. you are one of the reasons sometimes its unplayable with some other people, because you guys care too much about mmr to sit out, and you like to stomp even in unbalanced matches and also taunting in a bad behaviour

 

So iam very sorry, i have no respect for folks like you. Maybe it makes you feel good that you're not the worst of "them".

 

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The EU community is very small especially on the higher skilled spectrum. As a result we tend to have mixed games and those come with their own frustrations because the matchmaker, despite its best attempts, sucks at balancing a mixed bunch. Thank god even if the games themselves suck, certain individuals' presence makes it much more bearable.
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1. you are doing something bad i won't say here right now

You still think I use software to enhance my aim?

I'm fairly sure I can land most of my TOWs, but thanks.

 

2. you are one of the reasons sometimes its unplayable with some other people, because you guys care too much about mmr to sit out, and you like to stomp even in unbalanced matches

I play the game however I like, because there's not even a server for me in the evenings half the time.

(Playing in <2200 servers is kindof boring to me.)

So no, it's less about MMR, and more about the amount of time I can play in such servers, which is very little.

 

and also taunting in a bad behaviour

I'm afraid that's something I don't do aside from joking with friends.

 

So iam very sorry, i have no respect for folks like you. Maybe it makes you feel good that you're not the worst of "them".

I'm very sorry that I don't care about "respect" from you.

 

 

You were the one that called me out - I've defended myself and voiced my opinion on the matter.



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I'm literally laughing my ass off right now.

I believe there was a thread where folks were disscussing abussive behavior of  few members and it turned into trollfest in a matter of 2 hours.

Do you feel reminiscent already?

This is the subject of my love towards the internets. Irony, irony everywhere.

 

TLDR; @GalaxyRadio - dude, you are showing your disrespect in the thread about respect. Job well done. #CaptainObvious

@Meraple - you are not helping as well.


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Yeah, please stop the callouts--total uncool.  If you have a problem with someone, try talking it out.  If you need a mediator, you can feel free to ask someone from the community.  The forum isn't a place for talk like this.


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Right now, the community on EU is not worth the word "respectful/great community". 

 

Taunting, Stomping, bad mouth, talking trash over and over, dont't switch in obv. unbalanced games and shooting at people sitting out...

 

Sometimes its really really hard to play further or being respectfully. Right now iam just muting people i don't like because of bad behavior, tauntingstyle and so on, so i can stay calm and play with fun.

 

 

 

 

Well, i talk more about Games in 2000-2600MMR Range, and "sometimes" 1250-2500 MMR Range, where skilled or/and hacking pilots are stomping new pilots very badly.

 

Its not like that in every match, but in at least 10-30% of all matches. It dosn't sound much, but its enough for me, especially when it happens 3 times in a row, because there is no other server to join because of my mmr.

 

Galaxy Radio

 

 

 

1. you are doing something bad i won't say here right now

2. you are one of the reasons sometimes its unplayable with some other people, because you guys care too much about mmr to sit out, and you like to stomp even in unbalanced matches and also taunting in a bad behaviour

 

So iam very sorry, i have no respect for folks like you. Maybe it makes you feel good that you're not the worst of "them".

 

Galaxy Radio

 

 

 

but you done same, even in that thread :wallbash:



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Read the dates please.



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Crush kill. Holo

Steal a kill on high mmr player. Holo

Kill high mmr player from beginning. You better believe that's a holo and a teabagging.

 

Ok so that's most Oceanic players... O_o






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