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I found a cheater and he is aimbotting for sure. Anything you can do about it?

Also when are we going to be able to report idiots like this?


Edited by Csabi333, 19 April 2016 - 10:12 AM.

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Oh, if only there were a site to send tickets to staff members capable of dealing with such matters! Oh, woe is us!

 

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I found a cheater named :wallbash:  and he is aimbotting for sure. Anything you can do about it?

Also when are we going to be able to report idiots like this?

u can't call out name , delete is please , send a ticket above the link Sparky gave .


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u can't call out name , delete is please , send a ticket above the link Sparky gave .

 

True.

And also delete the quote please, Rozer.

 

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u can't call out name , delete is please , send a ticket above the link Sparky gave .

what ticket are you talking about?

i opened that link what do i type in it



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what ticket are you talking about?

i opened that link what do i type in it

 

1. Open the support ticket website https://hawken.zende...k.com/hc/en-us 

2. Click "Sign In" on the top right

3. Sign in with the usual information you give when signing into the forums or in game.

4. At the top right, click on "Submit a request"

5. Enter the information you wish to give in the fields supplied

6. Click on submit


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1. Open the support ticket website https://hawken.zende...k.com/hc/en-us 

2. Click "Sign In" on the top right

3. Sign in with the usual information you give when signing into the forums or in game.

4. At the top right, click on "Submit a request"

5. Enter the information you wish to give in the fields supplied

6. Click on submit

Got it thanks, will they actually ban cheaters?



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Got it thanks, will they actually ban cheaters?

 

If you provide definitive proof, obviously they aren't going to act on hearsay. 


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Got it thanks, will they actually ban cheaters?


Depending on the evidence that gets submitted with the ticket, they've been pretty quick at banning cheaters, yes.

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Depending on the evidence that gets submitted with the ticket, they've been pretty quick at banning cheaters, yes.

 

Experiences may vary - some have reported a longer turnaround time with bans.

 

Also keep in mind that if a ban happens, it will just be the account that's banned, not the IP address. There's nothing preventing a banned account from making another account and continuing to cheat / advertise their cheat. IP banning would be a step up, but that's also easy to circumvent. Yes, it's an issue. No, there's been no proposed fix by Reloaded on the topic, and we don't know when / if we'll get one.


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no point of reporting, they can simply create new account


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Got it thanks, will they actually ban cheaters?


Not in my experience. Just post a video or something, so that we can approach the cheater appropriately in combat.

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Not in my experience. Just post a video or something, so that we can approach the cheater appropriately in combat.


Bans do happen, if you submit the right amount of irrefutable evidence. Posting your info publicly will only hurt the chance of a ban actually happening. Also, posting video of cheaters here will only give them attention, as they're prolly lurking the forums to see if they are the cause of people's abloobloobloo-ing.
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I've been playing for a couple months now and I still can't spot a cheater.  How can you tell a cheater from a really good player?



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I've been playing for a couple months now and I still can't spot a cheater.  How can you tell a cheater from a really good player?

 

Mostly, it is a learned skill that comes with enough hours of play to recognize when something doesn't add up.

 

There are obvious aimbots where you see the players mech aim literally 'snapping' from target to target with no travel time in between.  Those are the easiest to spot.

 

However, most of the cheat-ware that folks are using has settings that allow them to prevent the instant snapping so that it looks more like their aim is actually tracking.  But, if a persons accuracy, especially against fast A-class mechs with air-dodge equipped, simply seems too amazing, especially if they don't really seem to move their mech in a manner consistent with a highly skilled player... there's a good chance they're cheating.

 

Another one you can actually spot sometimes is "wall-hacking".  This is where their cheat-ware puts an icon on all the enemy players that can always be seen, even through walls and from great distances.  If a non-Predator player, where no scanner is present,  just seems to always and consistently know exactly where you and your teammates are all the time... lands shots on you the split second that you step around a corner, even though you were totally sneaking... there's a good chance they're cheating.

 

Now, I'm not saying you should ever assume or accuse a player because you perceive either of the above to be the case, because you shouldn't.  There ARE some very good players who have so much experience in the game that they may seem to be cheating when they aren't.  BUT, if things don't add up, like their actual game-play obviously not matching their ability to score kills... it's time to pay attention.


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Well I did suspect the one you describe as "wall hacking" a couple times as a Predator player.  One "non-stealth" player ALWAYS fired on me when I was in Stealth and even when I wasn't moving.  I know that we give off a "shimmer", especially in the light, but in this case it was uncanny how often he kept doing it.  I didn't know it was possible to cheat like that until just now though.  Thanks.



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^Yes, playing as a Pred is one way to help identify wall-hacking players, especially if they are also using an aimbot and/or autofire.  You can get on the other side of a wall from them and watch as they follow you and as they instantly start shooting directly at you the instant your arm comes out from behind the wall.

 

BUT, remember, the Predators cloak becomes almost useless against players who have set their graphics to the "plastic Hawken" settings.  For those players, the cloak on Pred and Infiltrator become a joke.


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I've been playing for a couple months now and I still can't spot a cheater.  How can you tell a cheater from a really good player?

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BUT, remember, the Predators cloak becomes almost useless against players who have set their graphics to the "plastic Hawken" settings.  For those players, the cloak on Pred and Infiltrator become a joke.

 

You don't need plastic Hawken for that, you just need to git gud.


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However, most of the cheat-ware that folks are using has settings that allow them to prevent the instant snapping so that it looks more like their aim is actually tracking.  But, if a persons accuracy, especially against fast A-class mechs with air-dodge equipped, simply seems too amazing, especially if they don't really seem to move their mech in a manner consistent with a highly skilled player... there's a good chance they're cheating.

 

And these are the ones that won't get banned, no matter how many videos you submit of them. Even if they break turn cap. Even if their accuracy is 100% at all times. Even if they track people through walls while they're doing it.

 

Believe me, I've tried.

 

I've come to the conclusion that it takes way too much effort to catch these pricks. Until Reloaded gets a handle on how their code works and can identify cheaters WITHOUT requiring video evidence (like ADH was able to do back in the day), it is a complete waste of time and energy to try and catch these fuzzing fuzzy bunnies.


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And these are the ones that won't get banned, no matter how many videos you submit of them. Even if they break turn cap. Even if their accuracy is 100% at all times. Even if they track people through walls while they're doing it.

 

Believe me, I've tried.

 

I've come to the conclusion that it takes way too much effort to catch these pricks. Until Reloaded gets a handle on how their code works and can identify cheaters WITHOUT requiring video evidence (like ADH was able to do back in the day), it is a complete waste of time and energy to try and catch these fuzzing fuzzy bunnies.

 

Speedhacking has been generally eliminated, and a large portion of those videos was suspected to be Runapanda.  

 

I have submitted many reports on many hacking accounts, not just Runa, and many have been banned.  They do ban.  You just have to be good enough to catch them.


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Speedhacking has been generally eliminated, and a large portion of those videos was suspected to be Runapanda.  

 

I have submitted many reports on many hacking accounts, not just Runa, and many have been banned.  They do ban.  You just have to be good enough to catch them.

 

Only a portion of my videos resulted in bans. Some of the really obvious ones did not. I still have no idea why. All of the tickets are considered "solved'.

 

:rolleyes:  ...Whatever.


Edited by Nightfirebolt, 21 April 2016 - 06:56 PM.


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I believe, firmly; that if we get together, and pray for the hacker; he will repent of his mistakes and stop.

 

All we have to do, is kindly ask him, as a human being, to please stop; then the hacker will stop.  All it takes is a little love and kindness, right?

 

Record his hacking tactics, compliment him, and make a music video of it.  Eventually, he'll get bored of hacking, and just stop.  That's how it works people. 


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Until Reloaded gets a handle on how their code works and can identify cheaters WITHOUT requiring video evidence (like ADH was able to do back in the day), it is a complete waste of time and energy to try and catch these fuzzing fuzzy bunnies.

 

Source?

 

What gave you the impression that ADH was able to identify cheaters WITHOUT requiring video evidence?  It was my understanding that they relied heavily on a few hand picked individuals to help police the game(and forums) and bring things to their attention.


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The biggest hack I've seen used in the last year is the Bruiser mod. I'm surprised how many don't know of it. Sure people use aimbot, but even the "smooth aim" can be caught by those who've played long enough with enough matches with that player. And wallhacks become obvious pretty fast. The bruiser mod allows them to play "normally" BUT........ well it's like this. The Bruisers F ability is a 60% reduction in damage for 10 seconds. What the mod does is gives them the ability to use the Bruiser mod indefinitely. They turn it on on ANY mech and it STAYS ON till they turn it off. Sure they can die and they loudly proclaim "oh look I died, I'm not hacking" !! Uh huh, uh no. Yes you are. This way the "kill score" is good because they die far less but not insane high like it would be with the cheap aimbots.  It allows them to "appear" as normal mid to high MMR players. They are anything but normal players. In fact there are several players here who IMO have been cheating since the day they came here. They may use a aimbot sometimes to raise their score a "little". Not enough to be noticed. Or a wallhack with a tough opponent. Whatever is needed to keep them either in first or second place. (2nd if they are smart, so they don't become noticed so much.)

 

I never said they were all stupid. Some are just as likely to be as intellitgent as anyone. They are just asshats. :thumbsup:


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The Bruisers F ability is a 60% reduction in damage for 10 seconds.

 

Damage Barrier  

AddDamageMultiplier: 0

DamageMultiplierReduction: -0.65

ModeActiveTime: 1.25

RegenerationSeconds: 16

 

I think it's active for 1.25 seconds, not 10.


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The biggest hackusation I've gotten wrong was the pm I sent yesterday, I think I need to chill out before I become a subject of TheButtSatisfier's erotic fan fiction

 

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Source?

 

What gave you the impression that ADH was able to identify cheaters WITHOUT requiring video evidence?  It was my understanding that they relied heavily on a few hand picked individuals to help police the game(and forums) and bring things to their attention.

 

Back when ADH was still a thing, all they asked of us was the day and time of the offence, the server the offence took place on, and accused's username. Screenshots and videos were optional.

 

No, I don't have the "source". I don't even know how I would track it down - As I recall, they told me this in an email response when I submitted a support ticket to report a hacker years ago. Presumably they could check the server logs and see if anything was amiss.

 

If I have the energy and time I will look for that email - If I feel like it. >.>

 

I believe, firmly; that if we get together, and pray for the hacker; he will repent of his mistakes and stop.

 

I'm pretty sure they will just laugh in your face and continue hacking. >.>


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No the PM was correct. Like it, lump it, shove it up your.......well you know. So "git good" or get "salty". I don't give a rats kazoo. :) and no it may be shorter now but it use to be closer to 10 seconds. But don't matter when you use the hack. It's on 60% till they turn it off, so moot point now isn't it? And Nightfirebolt is right, they will continue. It is their idea of "fun". Some can't stand the idea of losing, some just like to ruin other peoples game, their fun. Some are just asshats. Shrug, life as it is. Losers been hacking since card games a 1000 years ago, prolly more. sigh...........


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I just got witch hunted for "using hacks" by everyone in the highest-MMR server available at that time (~2000 MMR avg).

I really think people are too paranoid, I haven't seen a hacker in Europe for weeks..

 

 

 

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Wait, submit a ticket? This entire time I thought I was supposed to deal with cheaters by PM'ing them my feelings.


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Wait, submit a ticket? This entire time I thought I was supposed to deal with cheaters by PM'ing them my feelings.

No only YOU need to submit a ticket. We all love watching you waste your time. Oh and it's more fun, more satifying to send a PM and besides its just as effective as sending a ticket. Oh and you forget to say .......GIT GOOD and/or oh...........salty much? Hmm you're slipping. You must be getting old.


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"Cheaters."

OH look its Dee Rax Roast Beef dude waving at us!! HELLO!! :rolleyes: Can we all have free sandwiches now!! :yes:


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I was thinking, "How the hell is it as effective as sending a ticket," and then I appreciated what you did there.


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Back when ADH was still a thing, all they asked of us was the day and time of the offence, the server the offence took place on, and accused's username. Screenshots and videos were optional.

 

No, I don't have the "source". I don't even know how I would track it down - As I recall, they told me this in an email response when I submitted a support ticket to report a hacker years ago. Presumably they could check the server logs and see if anything was amiss.

 

Sorry but I never had any experience with them banning someone with only providing such weak evidence, even in the private area of the forums where cheaters were discussed openly with ADH, they wanted the most proof any of us could provide, the more the better.  I'd hazard to say it never actually happened unless it was very obvious blatant cheating, or maybe who ever reported it happened to mention a specific name that was already on an internal watchlist where other evidence was already gathered.  I'm not sure that the system has ever had any logs that could be used to specifically identify cheaters, I've certainly never heard of it.


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