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Just about every day, for the last 10 months, I log in at what I would presume to be peak times for the US (7pm -11pm)... hoping to play some Siege or Missile Assault.

 

Unfortunately, 3 out of 4 days, there are no Siege or MA matches to be found anywhere... so I start one... and sit... for 30 minutes... until I finally realize there's going to be no match and I leave to go play something else before my limited free-time runs out.

 

Eh, I don't really know what the point of making this topic is, but it pretty much sums up everything about my Hawken experience for a very long time.  I just don't want to play TDM or DM.

 

The most painful part is all the players who join my lobby, wait for 30 seconds, then leave.  It happens about every 60 - 90 seconds.  If these folks would just hang tight for a couple of minutes, we'd have a full match and a good time.  And even if we do finally get a match going, I can be guaranteed the traditional "match is over, everyone leave the server immediately" phenomenon.

 

I suppose this is really an appeal to those bare few who read these forums:  Please, consider giving some love to Siege and MA and please, for the love of all that is good in the world, stick around for a few minutes to let the server fill up - then stick around for a few more matches as well.


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A PSA may have a slight positive impact, but I think you'd get better - and more consistent - results if you took the same initiative as others before you.

 

In other words, it sounds like you are the new host for Siege Saturdays and Missile Assault Mondays. You'd probably get traction if you made a separate thread stating the days, times, and asked Reloaded if you could get them to update their notifications when you log into Hawken for the first time in months.

 

If you are nice enough, you might also convince someone who runs a private server to let you admin it those days.

 

Also, you mention that you're on from 7 to 11 PM daily. What time zone is that?


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It's really hard to find any Siege or MA server, but no wonder with about 100 people playing and it's slowly falls.



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A PSA may have a slight positive impact, but I think you'd get better - and more consistent - results if you took the same initiative as others before you.

 

In other words, it sounds like you are the new host for Siege Saturdays and Missile Assault Mondays. You'd probably get traction if you made a separate thread stating the days, times, and asked Reloaded if you could get them to update their notifications when you log into Hawken for the first time in months.

 

If you are nice enough, you might also convince someone who runs a private server to let you admin it those days.

 

Also, you mention that you're on from 7 to 11 PM daily. What time zone is that?

 

Central.  And I'm not on 'from' 7-11, I'm on at some time between then - usually for 90 minutes of gaming for the evening.

 

And I'd love to be able to be a guy to host a dedicated weekly game of Siege or MA, I really would.  But, I simply don't have any way to ensure I'll be around at a specific date or time.   I'd end up disappointing a lot of people. :(


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I simply don't have any way to ensure I'll be around at a specific date or time.   I'd end up disappointing a lot of people. :(

 

You may want to consider having volunteers . There's a few hardcore siege and MA lovers out there; maybe they'd be willing to host when you can't. I think Charcoal was one of them?


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I've never tried MA before.  But I can tell you two things I've experienced in Siege.  1) The players always seem to be MUCH better than me.  Now, I'm used to other players being better than me, but I can sometimes get 2nd or 3rd place in a "3 Star" TDM match.  Not so in Siege.  It seems that only Veterans even try it out?  I've NEVER seen a "3 Star" Siege match.  2) I have never seen as much whining and complaining mid-match as I have in Siege.  Giving advice is one thing.  But insulting your "stupid noob" team-mates seems to happen, on one side or the other, in almost every Siege match I have played in.  It is such a turn-off, and I just don't want to play in that environment.

 

Other than these two factors I think I would enjoy Siege.



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If you don't have any friends to play hawken with, make some.

Pretty simple stuff, really.


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I've never tried MA before.  But I can tell you two things I've experienced in Siege.  1) The players always seem to be MUCH better than me.  Now, I'm used to other players being better than me, but I can sometimes get 2nd or 3rd place in a "3 Star" TDM match.  Not so in Siege.  It seems that only Veterans even try it out?  I've NEVER seen a "3 Star" Siege match.  2) I have never seen as much whining and complaining mid-match as I have in Siege.  Giving advice is one thing.  But insulting your "stupid noob" team-mates seems to happen, on one side or the other, in almost every Siege match I have played in.  It is such a turn-off, and I just don't want to play in that environment.

 

Other than these two factors I think I would enjoy Siege.

 

It pains me to hear that.  For what it's worth, I never gripe at or insult anyone in Siege or Missile Assault.  It's nice to win, but it's better for everyone to have fun.

 

I hope you'll keep your eyes open for me and join when you can.  I'll even make an exception to my rule about "never making parties" for you - so that you can be on a team where at least one player is guaranteed not to judge you.  And if you want to do a Skype or something for voice, I'd be happy to teach you what I know about playing these modes successfully.

 

FYI:  I think you might really like Missile Assault.  It's basically 'King of the Hill' mode, but with three 'hills'.  You and your team just try to stand in and hold the area around one of the 3 'silos' until it turns your teams color - then you move on to the next silo that needs captured... or you stay and hold the ones that are most important to your team at that time.  I think it's a very beginner friendly objective-based mode, and allows new players more choices in how much risk they face.  You can play it aggressively and try to always be confronting the other team OR you can seek to be the guy who keeps the other team rushing around by always moving to capture the silo that is currently being ignored.


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Personally, I can't stand playing MA without comms, so it's rare that I'll jump into a random game just to save myself the frustration.  (Not that I go on a ranting rampage about filthy casuals or anything, I just endure the pain, then find another match when it's over.)   Siege is a bit more forgiving in that respect, but still.

 

If there are people in TS and someone suggests MA or Siege, I'll usually jump in if I have the time.  

 

Not sure if I've seen you on the TS before, but maybe hop on there when you have the time to play, and see if anyone's willing to start a match with you?


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I find siege matches all the time. MA not so much...


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My server has no entry password

 

It's West Coast US (Los Angeles area)

 

I can usually find a game in there most nights, so feel free

 

It's called 'Charcoal's Siege Hole'

 

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Puppet, your loose tail pipe has never pm'd me to play. I find your post erroneous!

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There's almost always some Siege and MA during War Weednesday, every Wednesday during the evening from 9PM-11PM EST.  Come join us on the Hawken TeamSpeak tonight...


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mean while in asia barely 3 game at a time


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Puppet, your loose tail pipe has never pm'd me to play. I find your post erroneous!

 

I would if I'd seen you on.  Admittedly, like my OP says, if I can't get a match going in 25-30 minutes... I leave and go play something else.  Yes, it's a small window.

 

But, it's not really my responsibility to try to keep Hawken (or specific modes in Hawken) alive.  I love playing it, but it's just a game.

 

The main point of my appeal is to just plant the idea that "If players stick around for a few more minutes and don't leave the server at the end of every match, we could have more running Siege and MA matches."


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I looked for a MA game last night after every TDM match (over about 2 hours), and I never saw one.  How long do those matches last?



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A balanced MA lasts for around 15min, and Siege can last around half an hour.


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I looked for a MA game last night after every TDM match (over about 2 hours), and I never saw one.  How long do those matches last?

 

About 15 minutes.

 

Getting one started basically requires you to go to the server list, pick one and join it.  You'll sit there by yourself for a while, but people will eventually filter in.

 

IF Reloaded would set up the option to QUEUE for a particular match type to create a match when there are currently none open... I think there would be more Siege and MA matches.  I know that a lot of players do not use the server list to find matches - they just pick a game mode and click QUEUE.

 

The problem is, instead of Hawken matchmaking saying, "Oh, there are no open matches for that game-type right now, let me go ahead and put this player in as the first player... and put them in the region closest to them." it says, "There are no open matches for this gametype right now... I think I'll just let this player sit here until the time expires and see if someone else creates a match in this game type."

 

Stupid.


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I looked for a MA game last night after every TDM match (over about 2 hours), and I never saw one.  How long do those matches last?

 

MA matches are normally about 12-13 minutes. 16-17 would be a razor close match, 9-10 for a blowout.

 

The thing with MA is that if you play organised MA a bunch it can make public MA seem infuriatingly unorganized. Additionally, MA is more sensitive to how many players are on each team, so considering how prone the Hawken community is to mid match quit/joins it can all go south pretty quickly. For these reasons I think a lot of competitive players will simply hop into the first TDM the matchmaker puts them in, where they can more easily play off the team and kill stuff without having to worry about what randoms are doing on the other side of the map.

 

These days it will be almost impossible to find an MA without going to a private server. I don't think I've actually played a straight up pub MA (that is, one filled from the matchmaker queue and not a public server filled with comp players after invites and TS prodding) in at least a year.

 

EDIT: My time estimates are for actual play time. You can add 1-2 minutes on either side for map switching and lobby shenanigans.


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MA matches are normally about 12-13 minutes. 16-17 would be a razor close match, 9-10 for a blowout.

The thing with MA is that if you play organised MA a bunch it can make public MA seem infuriatingly unorganized. Additionally, MA is more sensitive to how many players are on each team, so considering how prone the Hawken community is to mid match quit/joins it can all go south pretty quickly. For these reasons I think a lot of competitive players will simply hop into the first TDM the matchmaker puts them in, where they can more easily play off the team and kill stuff without having to worry about what randoms are doing on the other side of the map.

These days it will be almost impossible to find an MA without going to a private server. I don't think I've actually played a straight up pub MA (that is, one filled from the matchmaker queue and not a public server filled with comp players after invites and TS prodding) in at least a year.


This. Comp hawken pretty much killed pub MA, through the sheer amount it is played.

I'm willing to bet there are a dozen or so MA matches played every week. Practice usually involves 2 or 3 MA matches.

But none of them are pub matches.

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The thing with MA is that if you play organised MA a bunch it can make public MA seem infuriatingly unorganized. Additionally, MA is more sensitive to how many players are on each team, so considering how prone the Hawken community is to mid match quit/joins it can all go south pretty quickly. For these reasons I think a lot of competitive players will simply hop into the first TDM the matchmaker puts them in, where they can more easily play off the team and kill stuff without having to worry about what randoms are doing on the other side of the map.

 

This is the boat I'm in. TDM's spawn system works in a manner that keeps allied players grouped together. I've found that within 10 seconds of a spawn I can be next to a teammate firing at the enemy.

 

But in linear MA maps, you spawn a fixed point that's as far away from S2 as possible. In triangle MA maps, you may have a disorganized team that tries taking all three points, and that causes the enemy team to start spawning all over the place. It's not that I don't find MA enjoyable, but I enjoy large firefights with many players the most. As a result, I queue for TDM.

 

Edit: I love siege. More of those please.


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If you don't have any friends to play hawken with, make some.

Pretty simple stuff, really.

 

This. ^

 

Or follow this handy guide:

 

Step 1: Add every mutha fuzzing bunny you meet onto your friends list.

Step 2: Enter an empty siege server.

Step 3: Send invites to 20-30 people.

Step 4: Play siege.


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This. Comp hawken pretty much killed pub MA, through the sheer amount it is played.

I'm willing to bet there are a dozen or so MA matches played every week. Practice usually involves 2 or 3 MA matches.

But none of them are pub matches.

 

I wouldn't even say that, I feel like pub MA was always shite, no comparison to comp needed. Even when I was a scrÜb I never played pub MA, I could tell it sucked even when I thought pub siege was fun.


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I just wanted to say that it was pleasant last night to start a Siege server and have enough joiners within 3 minutes to start a match at 4v4... then watch it fill and last for 5 matches (maybe longer, but I had to go to bed).

 

I hope to accomplish the same with MA next time I have a little gaming time.


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I just wanted to say that it was pleasant last night to start a Siege server and have enough joiners within 3 minutes to start a match at 4v4... then watch it fill and last for 5 matches (maybe longer, but I had to go to bed).

 

I hope to accomplish the same with MA next time I have a little gaming time.

 

Hooray!  I got your invite and tried to join, but IT WAS FULL!!!  It made me happy. :D


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I am less confident I can get an MA match to fill up (and stay that way), but I'm still out there trying when I can.


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I am online right now... being unsuccessful and getting an MA match started. :(


UPDATE: I got two matches going.  The first one was against two guys who were so spring green I felt bad for them.  It's been so long since I played against an actual new player... and I've come to think of myself as being pretty miserably bad at Hawken... but I simply slaughtered them without even trying to.  I got the "Holy Trinity" award for it too. :(

 

UPDATE 2: Crap, it happened again, but with one guy.  1v1.  I felt even worse for this guy.  I even stopped shooting him completely and he rage quit after trying to just land a shot on me for 4 minutes while I just kept capping silos.  I am not proud.  I didn't really mean to piss him off, but I suppose he'd have probably been just as mad if I had simply picked him off each time.

 

I can finally see how uncomfortable a new player can feel in this crazy game.  But it's also impressive to think about the depth of the skill curve in Hawken - that a player who isn't very good, can gain enough skills over time to completely dance around a new player like they're a toy.  What a conundrum.


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Just about every day, for the last 10 months, I log in at what I would presume to be peak times for the US (7pm -11pm)... hoping to play some Siege or Missile Assault.

 

Unfortunately, 3 out of 4 days, there are no Siege or MA matches to be found anywhere... so I start one... and sit... for 30 minutes... until I finally realize there's going to be no match and I leave to go play something else before my limited free-time runs out.

 

Eh, I don't really know what the point of making this topic is, but it pretty much sums up everything about my Hawken experience for a very long time.  I just don't want to play TDM or DM.

 

The most painful part is all the players who join my lobby, wait for 30 seconds, then leave.  It happens about every 60 - 90 seconds.  If these folks would just hang tight for a couple of minutes, we'd have a full match and a good time.  And even if we do finally get a match going, I can be guaranteed the traditional "match is over, everyone leave the server immediately" phenomenon.

 

I suppose this is really an appeal to those bare few who read these forums:  Please, consider giving some love to Siege and MA and please, for the love of all that is good in the world, stick around for a few minutes to let the server fill up - then stick around for a few more matches as well.

outta our smaller playerbase its hard to find folks with the scrotes to jump into an empty server and wait a min

 

 

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Welp... no luck starting an MA match on either of the two times on Saturday evening that I tried... and no takers on Sunday either. :(


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My server has no entry password

 

It's West Coast US (Los Angeles area)

 

I can usually find a game in there most nights, so feel free

 

It's called 'Charcoal's Siege Hole'

 

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Well... sigh... it just doesn't seem to be happening.

 

Not only have my last several attempts to start a MA or Siege match failed miserably (as in sitting in an empty lobby for 45 minutes during prime US gaming hours), with not even a single joiner, but I couldn't even find a TDM match with more than 3 players in it the last two nights.

 

When I first started last night, there was a Siege match going on the Chicago server, the second closest one to my home, so I joined it.  Eeegads!  That was horrible - the lag and sync was the worst I've ever seen.  Everyone's pings were fluctuating wildly between 27 and 400ms, even my own.  No wonder everyone quit the match when there was still probably 8 minutes or so remaining.

 

Well, hopefully Hawken will be kicking a little stronger when I get bored of Doom - looking forward very much to the SnapMap editor in that.


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When I first started last night, there was a Siege match going on the Chicago server, the second closest one to my home, so I joined it.  Eeegads!  That was horrible - the lag and sync was the worst I've ever seen.  Everyone's pings were fluctuating wildly between 27 and 400ms, even my own.  

 

Myself and others have been experiencing what you've described on Chicago servers since last War Wednesday. I put in a support ticket with a PingPlotter screenshot (look at this thread to figure out how to use PingPlotter on a Chicago server) attached to my ticket.

 

In short, everyone who experiences this issue should be submitting a ticket. At the very least, each ticket submitted will make it that much easier to troubleshoot the issue. Tickets are where the devs will look for reports of stuff like this, not here in the forums. As a result, it stands that we should put the info where they're most likely to look for it.

 

As an aside, I don't find it productive to participate in a discussion regarding "omg but they don't even CHECK the forums and/or support area!!1" or "wow they are so cheap they wont fix anything anyways" or any other speculative bs like that. Everyone should do their part if they want the issue fixed. If they don't, then they are fully entitled to enjoy their shitty connection issues.


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