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While organizing, I came across the folder I had going for this and realized I never followed up with another topic. I'm not going to reformat everything so I can get better info (mostly seeing the opinions high and low MMRs correlate with), but here are some of the raw data alongside the automatic summary on Forms and my attempt at removing questionable responses (e.g. the answers from someone reporting their MMR as 3000). Feel free to use anything here for whatever you want. 

 

Almost all the results are consistent with the earlier survey I did, though the mean and median MMRs are lower.

 

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*Edit*

 

Wow.  It's almost as though the people demanding AC and other movement nerfs were a vocal minority.  That surprises me.  In other news, Omniscient is abandoning our Hawken and Unreal Tournament competition plans for Hearthstone.


Edited by Nept, 16 June 2015 - 03:04 AM.

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 In other news, Omniscient is abandoning our Hawken and Unreal Tournament competition plans for Hearthstone.

 


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Some of the results are facepalm-worthy. This survey shows perfectly why game devs shouldn't take their community's opinions as the main guideline — because most players don't have the slightest clue what the hell they're talking about.

 

What should be done with Scanner?

It should stay the same 23.8%

Edited by DerMax, 16 June 2015 - 03:42 AM.


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Using statistical data is a fine way to begin discussions!


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I beg to differ.


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What population was the 164 respondents drawn from? Just curious if this was spread to /r/hawken, Steam, Twitter, Facebook or elsewhere.

Some of the other graphics folks have displayed indicate we supposedly have ~10,000 or more registered players (if they are anywhere nearly accurate).

If the survey was made "public" using the Playhawken.com landing page, or the above social media sites at the very least, a 1% or more sampling might be judged statistically representative.

If the survey was only advertised in this Forum, which might see maybe 500 logged-in unique users at best per 24 hour period (just throwing this out there--i really have no data, but it's probably considerably less), the data is biased and therefor could regarded as invalid, unless you're just polling the fan-boysbase.

I didn't see the original survey offering myself, but the graphics here are interesting reads, and confirm some suspicions, and get a BullSH!T here and there as well.

Good work.

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I made a thread about it on these forums and someone crossposted it to /r/hawken, but I don't think it was linked to anywhere else. 164 responses is enough to get a margin of error of less than 10% even with the unrealistic assumption that there are 10k active players--I'd guess it's somewhere within 6-8% using the actual numbers. The responses are going to skew toward the opinions of high-MMR players since those are the people who are likely to care enough to fill out a survey, but it's still possible to get a general idea of what people believe with this. 

 

Here's the thread with results from the original survey


Edited by JeffMagnum, 16 June 2015 - 05:16 AM.

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In general, should C-Classes/heavy mechs have their armor buffed?
Yes 29,3%


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  In other news, Omniscient is abandoning our Hawken and Unreal Tournament competition plans for Hearthstone.

 

FINALLY! PLEASE DONT BE JOKING


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Wow.  It's almost as though the people demanding AC and other movement nerfs were a vocal minority.  That surprises me.  In other news, Omniscient is abandoning our Hawken and Unreal Tournament competition plans for Hearthstone.

You act like HardcoreStone isn't a highly skilled and demanding game.

 

tl;dr gitgud



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Some of the results are facepalm-worthy. This survey shows perfectly why game devs shouldn't take their community's opinions as the main guideline — because most players don't have the slightest clue what the hell they're talking about.

 

 


What should be done with Scanner?

It should stay the same 23.8%

 

 

 


most players

 


most

 

No way! Less than a quarter of the population doesn't see the issue with a single item that's very rarely actually touched on in the forums for any reason other than TPG, a semi exclusive, primarily North American organization generally constricted to the top 1 or 2% of the population?

 

Might as well throw out the whole thing.

 

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What should be done with burst weapons (e.g. the Flak Cannon, the HEAT Cannon, and the EOC Repeater)?

 

They should stay the same 121 - 73.8%

 

People either don't know that buffing can be more then damage, they only read the first two weapons or they never actually used the EOC Repeater. Too bad they are grouped together.

 

In any case, I lost my faith in humanity.


Edited by Sylhiri, 16 June 2015 - 11:56 AM.

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I'm kind of amazed at how consistently the responses favor staying the same.  Only a few things like AC level requirement, Incinerator, Scanner, Repair Charges, and Bunker are significantly different.  These would definitely be high on my priority list for changes, but I really expected more (burst vs sustain, air speeds, armor, ttk).

 

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 The responses are going to skew toward the opinions of high-MMR players since those are the people who are likely to care enough to fill out a survey

 

More than likely. Another possible focus for a survey would be a far simpler data-collector, with these:

When did you start playing Hawken

What is your present MMR

Do you consider yourself    Competitive    Casual

What is your perception of play environment/speed:  High Twitch    StarWars X-Wing*    UrbanTerror    CoD    Black Steel   MechWarrior    Chess

What needs fixing the most:  TTK    MC Pricing    HC Pricing    Mechs (HP, weps)    Mechs (Selection, variety)    Weapons (DPS, Heat, etc)    Weapons (variety)    Mapping (Size, variety)    Game Physics    Server Vote Kick implemented    Server Admin ban implemented (perm, temp, match)

 

Just an idea. I don't have the skillz necessary to get off my butt and do it myself, much less create a page such as yours. Plus, if you did scatter it around, and let it fester for a month or two, it might produce some surprising answers that could raise even more indignant Leet hackles.  :yes:


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the EOC Repeater.

Yes.  An amazing amount of Buff could be realized by merely shortening up the reload time between 6-shot salvos, my main teeth-grinder here.

If utilized wisely, the EOC is a formidable weapon, but waiting for that slow-ass Tikatak Tok Tok Tok reload, while some Flak monkey is dancing around ripping your face off before you can zip him up with a Coup de Gras, either that or puny 3-shots that cost even more in time, and I'm ready to pull my hair out.


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What should be done with burst weapons (e.g. the Flak Cannon, the HEAT Cannon, and the EOC Repeater)?

 

They should stay the same 121 - 73.8%

 

People either don't know that buffing can be more than damage, they only read the first two weapons or they never actually used the EOC Repeater. Too bad they are grouped together.

 

In any case, I lost my faith in humanity.

 

Burst and sustain are generally close enough balance wise that tweaking other things in the game can tip the scales. Obviously there are a few notable exceptions that are obviously weak (EOCR, PN233), and a few that are blatantly too strong (SMC), but on the whole I think something like an (air)speed, armor value, heat, or orb mechanic change could result in people complaining about how weak sustain is a month from now.


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Leave the eoc alone, dag nabbit.

I like going against the best of any game I play. Helps you in the long run n motivates u to do more. Always room for improvement not failure

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Will survey shows me that if your comfortable in your mech you want no change.



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Basically people think the game is fine how it is. Which is a perfectly reasonable response, I guess. There isn't a lot wrong with Hawken when you look at the big picture.

 

Thanks for finally posting this data, JeffMagnum


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