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This thread is going to break the rules. I understand the potential consequences of my actions. In light of the permanent suspensions of my two counterparts in this community, Merl and Amid, I have a difficult time mustering an appropriate level of respect for those consequences, or the rules themselves.

 

This thread is going to break the rules because we are going to discuss moderator action. Granted, under section 1, subsection G, the key word is "excessive". I admit that I am opening the floor to that "excessive" discussion - especially given what's been considered excessive in the past. I may mount a paltry defense for myself in saying that relative to actions that have occurred during Reloaded's appropriation of Hawken, it would take a Cold War arms race type of effort to breach "excessive", but my intention isn't to defend myself.

 

Before these forums came about, I personally reviewed the rules and signed off on them, considering them to be fair and consistent with the rules we had had under Adhesive and Meteor. Come to think of it, I created and assigned most of the names and organization to the subforums and subsections in the same series of events. I had assurances good and plenty that the rules would only be enforced in a manner consistent with the community sense of ethics and camaraderie, and that the subforums would largely be used to guide conversations, not to inhibit or divide them. I received these assurances on the TeamSpeak and in communication by email primarily through LadyTiggs, but on occasion through CapnJosh.

 

I personally feel a little betrayed. Nonetheless, I feel an apology is in order. I had an opportunity to further communicate the necessary moderator touch for this community, and I let it pass. I have no delusions of grandeur here, it's likely a company would have trudged on regardless of my efforts, but I think I was too eager to trust, and too hopeful; had I been less so, it's possible I might have conferred the solemn (and often not so solemn) joy with which I view, and have viewed this community.

 

This thread though, is not an apology. This thread is a request. Similar to... well... almost... all(?) requests beforehand, it's a request for communication.

 

I recall a little while back, our first real shock at the new moderation - the #freepoopslinger event. Along with several others, I was banned for this, and got all pissy. We took to the IRC and bugged Ashfire about the situation and he dragged Tiggs to the channel. What I remember ensuing was civil discussion between the ban-er and many of the ban-ees. It hit a point where Tiggs had made a reasonable argument and at the end of the day, it was a moderator decision. Sometimes they happen under pressure, sometimes they're good, sometimes they're bad, but someone somewhere has to draw a line in the sand. It might be the inebriation at the time, or the inebriation in the present, but I don't recall a response to the question that followed:

 

"Where's the line?"

 

That line, it's never been discussed. It usually doesn't need to be. In this case, it does. The reason why is evident in the reason why it usually doesn't need to be. In most forums, the moderators are participants in the community. They are identifiable and human and the community members have a sense for their sense of responsibility and how they use it - they aren't just numbers. We really, really don't need this "I like Japanese things" introduction. I don't mean that to be condescending or offensive, but we need to...

 

Actually, no.

 

When I say "we", right now I'm speaking in terms of the existing community. What needs to be said is "you". You need presence. You need to interact with the community. You need to participate in discussions and ask questions and develop a sense of passion for, if not the game itself, the complicated network of people of all manner of ages, locations, religions, and other identifiers that makes up this place. I sure as hell am.

 

But the reason it's "you" isn't so much a matter of expectations or entitlement as it is the fact that you have a free to play game with a playerbase that has never broken 10,000 CCUs. That's not some critical point, it's just, like, the game hasn't had that many players. The two people you've banned recently, Amid and Merl, were not only some of the most productive community members the game has literally ever seen, drawing in hundreds if not thousands of players with their work, but have individually purchased 50% or more of everything the game has to offer. They've spent money. Those are the kinds of people that spend money.

 

And no, it's not that they've done what they've done for the community and your actions against them that are so severely disconcerting (though they are certainly disconcerting), it's that you banned them for being passionate.

 

Passionate. People. Pay.

 

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That was Amid's ban message. I'm not going to trawl through and link everything he's ever posted, but anyone reading this knows that the above is, it's asinine. It's infantile. I feel like Akon or something, trying to find the words to describe this without being disrespectful, and failing.

 

Please consider your actions and how you got there. Please consider discussing your approach to moderation, and I do mean "discuss", which is not a synonym for "describe".

 

I'd like to call for a clean slate. Allow everyone a new chance, while simultaneously attempting to integrate into our population.

 

Or you can ban me. I guess. That's your call.


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Community management team, please don't ban Tickle.  This is getting out of hand.


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The line you speak of appears not to be straight. Similar infractions have never resulted in similar punishments, even as far back as #freepoopslinger. For example, the warning points handed out with the accompanying ban then varied from 0 to iirc as much as 7.

I'm on mobile rn so I'll admit to having only skimmed your post, I hope I will still be able to give it a full read when I get home.
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this is the Tickle gambit. it's your move Reloaded


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First,

 

I don't know why Merl hates my ass so much lately - I think because I'm an arrogant prick, who will shove my superiority down his throat since he does give me opportunity.  But, I will stand by him.  Merl and I (and some others) spawned the freaking TEAMSPEAK.  I essentially gave it to him to run, because I think it helped Hawken (and he's a pretty cool dude for an elitist SOB).

 

Second,

 

Amid was a side benefit at the time.  He pressured me into the B-Team.  But holy Jesus, Amid is the community.  Ban Amid, ban the Community.

 

Ban them, ban me.  And Sic Transit Gloria Mundi.


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I will stand with y'all in whatever you do but these recent bans need to be talked about.

This was merls last post as far as i can tell

Howken refers to console Hawken and how much of a bastardized version of the game it is. The fact that you have appropriated it to mean something different isn't "fun". This is coming from someone who had high hopes for the game even with the understanding that it was going to change drastically.  I think that I speak for much of the community when I say that we couldn't care less what your favorite type of music is. We want to know what is going on with development and what is being done to improve the game. 

sure it was a tad bitter but this community kinda is, and if someone can get the pics of what merls ban message said we can further the discussion.

I'm joining you in this gambit tickle, and you all should too because they can't ban all of us... right?

You all have no idea how much i hesitated before posting this, but as a player who cares about the game and other players who care i must say something.


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I don't want to take sides or throw my opinion out there, but I want you all to realize, on these forums, our community is allowed, not given. Saying that they should do anything or that their actions are crude is an arrogant misunderstanding of your own authority. Appeal to them in a much more civil way such as a petition or privately. Publicly addressing them is "excessive" in itself, since, if they were to reply, they would be placed in an unfair position.


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I don't want to take sides or throw my opinion out there, but I want you all to realize, on these forums, our community is allowed, not given. Saying that they should do anything or that their actions are crude is an arrogant misunderstanding of your own authority. Appeal to them in a much more civil way such as a petition or privately. Publicly addressing them is "excessive" in itself, since, if they were to reply, they would be placed in an unfair position.

A quick response on that one there, if discussing it publicly at all were excessive, then there would be no need to specify excessive.

 

 

this is the Tickle gambit. it's your move Reloaded

Your move.


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I don't want to take sides or throw my opinion out there, but I want you all to realize, on these forums, our community is allowed, not given. Saying that they should do anything or that their actions are crude is an arrogant misunderstanding of your own authority. Appeal to them in a much more civil way such as a petition or privately. Publicly addressing them is "excessive" in itself, since, if they were to reply, they would be placed in an unfair position.

 

Hecate, dude,

 

The staff either is serious about having a viable e-sports venue and skilled competition or not. Their choices lately have threatened this, because the skilled competition for an e-sport venue is just a little unhappy with recent management action.

 

We would like them to reconsider, if not recent fait accomplis, then their direction and methods.

 

If it takes me being banned, well, I have an expat assignment in Japan waiting for me, and a business to run.  I can always return to racing motorcycles competitively.


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Very well said and agree wholeheartedly.

 

I just don't have faith that Reloaded will hear the message and adjust course.

 

The biggest issue I see with the new moderation "style" the forums are being placed under seems to have no accountability. As I said in the introduction thread the official support channels don't work and are nothing short of a joke. I submitted a support ticket raising some questions about a banning I had received and had none of my questions answered instead only getting the same message I was questioning copied and pasted right back to me. I opened several more tickets and received no response at all. They were simply closed without a single response. I opened more and the same thing happened but this time I was asked to submit feedback about the quality of support I (didn't) receive and couldn't even do that because the tickets had been closed.

 

Then Tiggs tells us to message the moderators directly if you have questions about actions taken against you. First of all you can't do anything on the forums when you are banned including signing out because permissions are so locked down. Secondly when I messaged Tiggs myself over two weeks ago raising questions about the separation of the forums, removal of threads, and how this was being viewed by the community at the time. I saw she read it as soon as I sent it but never received a response back. So why is it the official support channels aren't working, the Community Manager doesn't respond to messages, but we should expect the new moderators to reply to messages when the Support Staff won't respond to tickets and Tiggs, the Community Manager, won't respond either.

 

This doesn't inspire faith in Reloaded, the new moderation team, or Tiggs in my opinion. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who shares these thoughts as I've had numerous people reach out to me over the past weeks telling me they agree with my thoughts on the current situation and direction Hawken is taking and even thanking me for voicing these concerns. But I do stress that these are my opinions and I am in no way trying to mislead the community.

 

Before under Adhesive not only were a good number of the people working there part of this community but so was the Community Managers we had over the years, so was the Support Staff, and more. Even employees of Meteor Entertainment showed up now and then, originally they even had their own call-signs within the game and forums. Vana came on as a host of the Cockpit along with Saturnine, Leonheardt, and for some reason me as well. Jason appeared on the Cockpit as did ZamboniChaos from time to time. My point is those who were in charge of the community and the game were an active part of all of it and this gave way to a sense of caring, respect, and in some ways pride over what was being made both in-game and out.

 

We don't have that anymore.

 

Instead as a community we're dealing with people who, at least on the community management and moderation side of things, seem to know far less about the game and the community than some of the newer members here still learning the ropes. This leads to feeling like our position here and feedback aren't being truly understood and heard. It was mentioned in another thread that Tiggs gathered feedback about the Neif and presented it to the team, which I think is good that Reloaded seems to finally be listening to the community after changing everything about the game, but it doesn't inspire confidence that the person gathering this information doesn't seem to play or understand Hawken. 

 

It is no secret that most here do not like the new direction Hawken has taken on the consoles and the changes seen there. We were told by Josh when Reloaded first took over that the very things that are happening now wouldn't happen, that Hawken would be different than APB Reloaded, that we were going to be taken care of. Now we're finding out majority of that (if not all) was untrue as the game has once again been overhauled with numerous changes being implemented that are designed to force players into longer grinds, puts a bigger focus on micro-transactions, and heavily leans towards a P2W feel as vertical progression has once again been thrust onto Hawken. These are things which unfortunately do not inspire confidence from the community and results in some serious hostility because it feels like we've been lead on and deceived about how things are going.

 

If I get banned for speaking my mind and voicing concern for the current state of... well everything then so be it. I haven't been playing Hawken regularly for a few months now. This is partly to do with my growing bored with a game that hasn't changed in two years and has an incredibly small player base, this is also partly due to my moving half way across the country and not having my regular setup to play as my desktop isn't hooked up to the internet, but this is also partly to do with everything listed above has killed my desire to come back and play. I can see the direction that Hawken is taking and while I haven't played the console version it isn't hard to look at it and see I don't like the forced changes to the game or the new mech setups. Sure when (if) the PC version is updated I'll still have my Legacy mechs but newcomers won't have them, the setup and play styles are vastly different. When I see how the forums are being moderated, that people are being permanently removed from here, it doesn't make me want to come back.

 

I really do hope Reloaded reads this and truly listens. None of this doing whatever they want and then afterwards asking for feedback about the issues at hand. I have no idea what is going in the other sections of the forums but if the PC section is anything to go by I can't imagine things are much better in the PS4 or Xbox One sections.

 

Give us a reason to have faith again, not only in Hawken but also Reloaded, the Support Staff, the Community Manager, and the moderation team.

 

Where I'm sitting now I see no reason to have faith in any of the above. Not everyone will agree with this, I might even be alone in these thoughts at this point but given the state of things I felt the need to voice my opinion on the situation.


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wow, really?

 

perma bans...   that is a little heavy handed.  

 

 

 

 

it's like when you find out your fiance is a crack addicted prostitute, when she told you she worked at the bank, and that fuzzy bunny calls the cops on you.


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small towns always have big gossip circles why would reloaded not know this?


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A quick response on that one there, if discussing it publicly at all were excessive, then there would be no need to specify excessive.

Well, I'm speaking about "criticizing moderator action" as being excessive in this sense. If they oppose your criticisms while the public supports you, the public opinion of the moderators further degenerates. You're addressing them with an unfair advantage, knowing the public generally supports your words. If you discussed their actions without that factor, it would likely not be excessive ('likely' because I'm only really making observations). From their point of view, you're promoting hostility. I'm talking in a larger sense and am not specifically speaking about this thread.

 

No, I can't give you an example of what non-excessive discussion of their actions is because I'm too lazy to think about it.


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Well, I'm speaking about "criticizing moderator action" as being excessive in this sense. If they oppose your criticisms while the public supports you, the public opinion of the moderators further degenerates. You're addressing them with an unfair advantage, knowing the public generally supports your words. If you discussed their actions without that factor, it would likely not be excessive ('likely' because I'm only really making observations). From their point of view, you're promoting hostility. I'm talking in a larger sense and am not specifically speaking about this thread.

 

No, I can't give you an example of what non-excessive discussion of their actions is because I'm too lazy to think about it.

huh. Not a perspective I've considered. However, after considering it, I disagree with it on the basis of it sort of kind of maybe being the responsibility of management to understand the general perspectives of those they manage.

 

On a different, but not opposing hand, I feel public discourse on the matter is necessary to current events, and there's gotta be at least a little space between "necessary" and "excessive", right?


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Hecate, dude,

 

The staff either is serious about having a viable e-sports venue and skilled competition or not. Their choices lately have threatened this, because the skilled competition for an e-sport venue is just a little unhappy with recent management action.

 

We would like them to reconsider, if not recent fait accomplis, then their direction and methods.

 

If it takes me being banned, well, I have an expat assignment in Japan waiting for me, and a business to run.  I can always return to racing motorcycles competitively.

Haha, you're what our world calls an activist. I'm just saying there's more appropriate ways to appeal to them given our lack of power.

 

 

huh. Not a perspective I've considered. However, after considering it, I disagree with it on the basis of it sort of kind of maybe being the responsibility of management to understand the general perspectives of those they manage.

 

On a different, but not opposing hand, I feel public discourse on the matter is necessary to current events, and there's gotta be at least a little space between "necessary" and "excessive", right?

Well, all's opinions there then. And, well, I have to say, our community's been pretty excessive from the start (hell's what I met when I first joined, anyway), so excessive consequence was to be expected. Public disclosure should be determined by the mods.

 

I know I'm painting this as some dystopian regime, but, overall, I'm just asking us to stop letting things get out of hand. We aren't controlling ourselves in a sensitive situation.


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Well, all's opinions there then. And, well, I have to say, our community's been pretty excessive from the start (hell's what I met when I first joined, anyway), so excessive consequence was to be expected. Public disclosure should be determined by the mods.

 

I know I'm painting this as some dystopian regime, but, overall, I'm just asking us to stop letting things get out of hand. We aren't controlling ourselves in a sensitive situation.

Actually, hold up, I missed this bit of logic on the first read through.

 

If excessive is determined by community support, and excessive is used in application to the forums, wouldn't that mean that the only non-excessive discussion of moderator activity on the forums that's permitted are when the discussion doesn't cover popular opinion on the matter?

 

In terms of things getting out of hand... yeahhhhhhh... butttt....... Come on. You and I and everyone else knows that were any of 95% of our community dictating the community management protocol, it'd likely incite a little less outrage and "out of hand"edness.


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Actually, hold up, I missed this bit of logic on the first read through.

 

If excessive is determined by community support, and excessive is used in application to the forums, wouldn't that mean that the only non-excessive discussion of moderator activity on the forums that's permitted are when the discussion doesn't cover popular opinion on the matter?

 

In terms of things getting out of hand... yeahhhhhhh... butttt....... Come on. You and I and everyone else knows that were any of 95% of our community dictating the community management protocol, it'd likely incite a little less outrage and "out of hand"edness.

I'm not saying the rules don't favor the moderators and that they implemented them with fair communication in mind. To be honest, I think the intent was meant to prevent hostility, for the most part. I'm guessing they're cleaning out every topic about their actions around this time because everyone seems to be raging and they don't care to waste time differentiating between non-hostile and hostile at this point.

 

And that's not up to us. 95% of community bias is actually a poor choice for management.


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...  Really?  

 

Under meteor / ADH there was this small community oriented dev team thing going on, which had it's own pro's and con's.  That doesn't appear exist anymore under Reloaded.  Looks like everyone is going to go through a designated contact, administration / moderation isn't going to be done by the community itself, and you'll get spanked when you throw a tantrum on their forums (regardless of how "prominent" you are).  Reloaded is in the business of flipping failed IP, they've done it before, more or less, they're doing it again with Hawken, more or less.  If you ever wondered what you were in for as far as how they handle themselves, you'd only need to look at the other Reloaded run forums/games to know.  

 

Hawken has enough image problems right now, so I'm not at all surprised when they are willing to hand out warning points fairly liberally when negativity sets in.


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Hawken has enough image problems right now, so I'm not at all surprised if they are willing to hand out warning points fairly liberally when negativity sets in.

"Beatings will continue until morale improves."


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"Beatings will continue until morale improves."

 

Eh, with perma bans, it's more like keep your mouth shut or walk the plank.  They could also take the scorched earth approach and just shutter the forums.  It's not like hawken actually NEEDS them, but they are NICE to have.

 

Anyway, call it want you want, but Reloaded isn't in the business of being your or my friend.  They're in the business of separating us from our money in a manner that is the most cost effective for them.  If an individual becomes a problem, it's not unheard of to make the problem go away by evicting said problem.

 

Either don't be a problem for them on their forums and in their game, or try to not cross the line between being a nuisance and a perceived problem.


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Reloaded is in the business of flipping failed IP, they've done it before, more or less, they're doing it again with Hawken, more or less. \

 

All their games are slowly dying, one of them is basically dead. When you go on the game forums you see basically the same problems across all games. I actually went to the Fallen Earth forums a little while ago and it was depressing as all hell.

 

I would say they are in the business of buying cheap games and drain as much money as they can before they die.


Edited by Sylhiri, 30 July 2016 - 10:36 PM.

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All their games are slowly dying, one of them is basically dead. When you go on the game forums you see basically the same problems across all games. I actually went to the Fallen Earth forums a little while ago and it was depressing as all hell.

 

I would say they are in the business of buying cheap games and drain as much money as they can before they die.

 

Success or failure of other Reloaded games is a little out of scope right now though.  Going down THAT tangent too far is just asking for trouble.

 

I'm still surprised that so many people here.. well, of the vocal prominent portion of the Hawken community, still act as though it's the old ADH crew running the show.  You're not dealing with ADH / meteor, you're dealing with Reloaded.  I really don't think they have the same approach for or patience with drama that the previous crew did.  Either adapt or find out what happens when you don't.


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Wow.  I just see a lot of words (which I did read, btw) and a gauntlet thrown down basically saying "ban me, if you dare".  I think its dangerous to write posts when you're emotional, and it shows here.  Its their forums, their rules, and they can do what they want.  And yeah, it stinks.  Such is life.  Everyone told me to stop whining and "git good" at the game.  Maybe we should all "git good" at following the forum rules while we're at it, which are now being enforced for a change.

 

Your insights will be missed.


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I will stand with y'all in whatever you do but these recent bans need to be talked about.

This was merls last post as far as i can tell

sure it was a tad bitter but this community kinda is, and if someone can get the pics of what merls ban message said we can further the discussion.

I'm joining you in this gambit tickle, and you all should too because they can't ban all of us... right?

You all have no idea how much i hesitated before posting this, but as a player who cares about the game and other players who care i must say something.

if i understand correct merl world in topic about c05 questions, he said something like "why you post instead c05?", he meah that mech mods and others is not real, and it is all tiggs work (i.e. reloaded lie). this is probably why he was banned. 

i don't have pictures, because i don't think that devs can delete it and ban (q_q)


Edited by nepacaka, 30 July 2016 - 11:13 PM.

Kompotka 3000. 2D ha?ken game: https://community.pl...ve/?hl=kompotka

Interceptor, B-Class mech concept: https://community.pl...itdefence-mech/

Challenger, C-Class mech concept: https://community.pl...ccepted-thread/

G2-Brawler, C-class mech concept: https://community.pl...pacaka-is-here/

Kinetik, B-class mech concept: https://community.pl...ass-shotgunner/

Melter, A-class mech concept: https://community.pl...-class-support/


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For what it's worth, here's my opinion on this matter. I've been trying to not say anything for a while and wait for things to blow over, but hey. Why not?

 

This thread is nice and civilized. It discusses and tries to solve problems in a proper way, save for some details pointed out by other people.

 

Some other threads and replies to threads, on the other hand, have been nothing short of straight up insulting to the devs and community managers. Like kids who had their toy taken away and are screaming and making as much noise as possible. This constant bashing of choices made by the devs and community managers, and the close to insulting statements is what I would consider 'excessive'. Whenever Tiggs would post something like dev updates or the likes I tought: 'Alright, how many comments until the inevitable bashing.'

 

It's fine to try and change things for good. This is a community forum, that's why we're here. To discuss and solve social problems in an adult fashion.

 

This is a good thread. Others weren't.

 

 

 

 

Lastly, this is something that I've been hearing in my head a lot recently: We had free reign for a long time, but Hawken isn't our Hawken anymore. Things are going to change, for better or worse, and I can say that I am dissapointed in how some people are reacting. 

 

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if i understand correct merl world in topic about c05 questions, he said something like "why you post instead c05?", he meah that mech mods and others is not real, and it is all tiggs work (i.e. reloaded lie). this is probably why he was banned. 

i don't have pictures, because i don't think that devs can delete it and ban (q_q)

Damn, it really is a fuzzing shame that Merl and Amid are gone i liked having them around.


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Based on the information that is available to me at this point in time, I think that a simple breakdown in communications has occurred, plain and simple.  This breakdown can be blamed on one simple, one very human, factor.

 

Lack of effort, lack of desire.

 

when I was actively recruiting for what used to be my clan,  I went to great lengths to - for lack of a better word - coerce players into joining us in the teamspeak. At times, this took several matches, rebuttal of excuses not to join, and outright holding of hands to get them connected to the group on the teamspeak.  I even purchased a keyboard that had macro keys just so I could spam in-game chat with the teamspeak address, even though I knew it by heart.

 

Once I had players present in the teamspeak,  I bent over backwards to ensure adequate communication - even when it did not appear to be the case. many of those individuals that were outside of the clan that would attempt to even just sit in on the TDM channel were a bit overwhelmed at times by the cacophony of players speaking at once.  I would make great efforts - sometimes just flat out yelling - to subdue this mob long enough to allow a single player to speak.  Believe it or not, this took considerable effort. not only did I at times have to resort to calling individuals out to have them refrain from using comms to open the floor, but almost every time that I illicited a quiet and attentive channel, I would still have to cajole the one voice that I cleared comms for to repeat what they had said.

 

All the while I was doing this, the vast portion of every day was consumed with the careful thought and planning that, at its height, was one of the largest, most prolific, and most active clans in the game, with one of the largest percentage of members turning up for regular events and practices, complete with 2 full teams of 9 players, steadily preparing for the next regular season of competitive hawken.  practices consisted of several different drills designed to improve core gameplay skills and team coordination, whose development can be directly attributed to amid, merl, and various other community leaders who were willing to assist. TDM also boasted some of the most improved players actively playing the game because of this.

 

now that I am no longer doing this, the clan has moved into "low gear" mode, and practice now consists of maybe 6-10 people just playing a series of DMs.

 

lack of effort, lack of desire.

 

push comes to shove, I have yet to see a genuine effort(aside from CapnJosh's post at the beginning of the reloaded era, and C05's efforts as of late) to actually engage this community.

 

It's as if you don't have any desire to become a part of this community, and are only doing so because you job requires you to do so.  your language reflects this.  almost as if you want to make an appearance of involvement.  the relative backfiring of this current round of communication reflects this, almost like you are just trying to meet the minimum expectation that this community has from you. we went so long with out any of it, you still feel as though just piping in with little tidbits and staging these PR schemes will satisfy us.

 

I cannot speak on the subject of current events involving Amid and Merl, but I know without a doubt you are out of touch with this community, and the fact that these two individuals - who have done everything that can to provide me with the tools needed to do the things I have done for this community - have received permabans... is just plain absurd.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm grateful for what you have said to us, I just feel as though its not genuine and sincere.

 

I don't see a genuine effort, and I don't get a sense of desire.

 

I'm with tickle on this one.

 

you need to start over with this community, this time, with more desire to make the effort.

 


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at least, devs can ban them for a weak for example. like they ban me for some days when i "talking so much" with my long tongue. it is actually "soothes" and than you can think and undertand that: "Say what you think, and think what you say".
perma ban is pretty too much punisment for my opinion.


Edited by nepacaka, 30 July 2016 - 11:44 PM.

Kompotka 3000. 2D ha?ken game: https://community.pl...ve/?hl=kompotka

Interceptor, B-Class mech concept: https://community.pl...itdefence-mech/

Challenger, C-Class mech concept: https://community.pl...ccepted-thread/

G2-Brawler, C-class mech concept: https://community.pl...pacaka-is-here/

Kinetik, B-class mech concept: https://community.pl...ass-shotgunner/

Melter, A-class mech concept: https://community.pl...-class-support/


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Man this is just sad ...

 

The mods just don't understand how close the forum members grew together over the years and how important it is to have everyone around. We appreciate their company, their humor, their stupid comments.

 

If the mods start to amputate these parts of the community's already weak and ill body, for the sake of making the scene look like no one is disagreeing with rld or hating on their actions (which imo is still fair), then the creation of an alternative community site for HAWKEN players might not be just a silly idea anymore.

 

The way things are going disgusts me, this game means so much to me and to many others, more because of the people who play it than the actual game which is pretty great on its own, and that's saying something about those people that the mods seem to see as nothing but annoying brats that they need to squash at the slightest chance.


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I've un-hidden the posts that lead to Amid's suspension. The rules he broke range from signature violations, harassing forum members, non-constructive posts, attacks on Reloaded Games employees and one-image posts.

 

Keep in mind that people aren't always who or what they seem to be. We have seen an influx of players using alternate/troll accounts to convey their opinion as popular opinion.

 

Merl's suspension was because he was given a 3-day, a 1-day, a 5-day supension right after the 3-day expired, a 7-day right after the 5-day expired, the posts he made were made coming off of that 7-day suspension, and the level of personal attacks he has made in the past are uncalled for.

 

While we would like to encourage players to be vocal with their criticism, they have to be constructive with it. His posts, past and present, follow a similar trend of personal attacks against players in our community and against Reloaded staff.

 

Additionally, a player who is well-known or provides unofficial resources does not mean they get a free pass from all wrongdoing. It means they are held to the same standard of integrity that everyone else is held to and there are consequences for inappropriate action based on the forum rules.

 

I would like to keep this topic open, however it is against the rules to excessively discuss moderation.


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