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CHEATERS ARE OUT OF HAND - NEED AT LEAST AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT FROM DEVS

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Title is self explanatory... cheating has gotten a little out of hand lately.... like running into some type of cheater daily out of hand. Used to be a few and far between incident where it'd be fun to just chase them around emp'ing or body blocking their shots. Now with the speed hacks, wall hacks, penile implants its just to me I have to question why Josh and Co haven't at least made a statement on this subject. News flash devs, it's a big deal now and requires your attention. If you don't care enough to at least acknowledge there is an issue you are working on, well maybe this isn't the game I thought it was.

 

As a player who loves this game, has put his hard earned green backs into it since new development as a sign of good faith PLUS generally has tried hard to leave this place better than I have found it I feel like I and anyone else in my boat deserve an answer to this. Totally understand playing updates close to the vest, especially when this community will incessantly scrutinize your sentence structure over and over and over again but... the current way in which you are rolling on the cheater subject isn't acceptable to me, a paying customer and I'm quite sure anyone else even if they haven't ponied up.

 

Now, fellow Robros... I'm not looking to make this an over analyzed response thread. I really want the Devs to read this and take it serious. If you are with me a simple +1 reply is enough to show our friends in the emerald palace our solidarity, that we're pissed and they need to do something about this. Or at the very least tell us its an issue they are burning the midnight oil over. Thank you for your time in reading this.

 

 


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HAWKEN will never have anti-cheat.


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Money, if i could +2 you, i would!


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HAWKEN will never have anti-cheat.

 

 

Sure it will!  In the form of horrendous server-side RNG based accuracy that makes you shoot anywhere but where you're aiming like what you see in WoT (and maybe with time-limited accuracy boosters that you can purchase for MC)!!!   :ninja:  :rolleyes:

 

Yes, I'm joking.



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Gee, its not like this topic hasn't been made before



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HAWKEN will never have anti-cheat.

wanna bet?


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ROBROS, +1 or I respectfully request you read in silence as to not water down the message. Thank you!

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+1


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wanna bet?

 

The day HAWKEN has a meaningful anti-cheat that somehow miraculously stops a cheater from immediately making a new account for free and continuing to play, I will legit gift you an item of your choice on Steam up to $20 in value. You can hold me to this.


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You can hold me to this.

Can we just hold you instead?


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I assume that the OP is whining about the state of Hawken and cheaters, but I can't say for sure, because he's an inveterate spammer about EOC and I have a limited amount of patience for fools. As such, I'm not sure why he thinks adding his opinion in the ongoing battle against hackers will be at all heeded, particularly given the nature of 85% of his posts.

 

As the devs are confirmed to be more concerned with getting new content out, which may at this point or soon enough include anti-cheat, I doubt they have the time or interest to read a thread by someone I know to have been blocked by at least half a dozen people on these forums already.



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Whoa Ami, not sure what side of the bed you got up on today but I suggest you get up on the other side tomorrow. In jest posts about THE ALMIGHTY is exactly what this board needs to diffuse all the chest puffing people like you do to make yourself important. I've always respected your opinion as someone who cares about this game. I suggest you take yourself a little less serious and have a little more fun so you don't come off like you are right now - a jerk. If people have blocked me for making posts that are clearly meant for fun, I suggest the same to them but it is certainly no loss to me as these people have their own problems. In the end though I want to point out you should just follow directions next time. +1 or silence is all that's needed here. Good day to you sir.
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Whoa Ami, not sure what side of the bed you got up on today but I suggest you get up on the other side tomorrow. In jest posts about THE ALMIGHTY is exactly what this board needs to diffuse all the chest puffing people like you do to make yourself important. I've always respected your opinion as someone who cares about this game. I suggest you take yourself a little less serious and have a little more fun so you don't come off like you are right now - a jerk. If people have blocked me for making posts that are clearly meant for fun, I suggest the same to them but it is certainly no loss to me as these people have their own problems. In the end though I want to point out you should just follow directions next time. +1 or silence is all that's needed here. Good day to you sir.

Not to totally derail the topic, but I don't want Amid coming off as just some total sore thumb. Sure he could have been nicer in how he said what he did, but the content isn't inaccurate. I blocked you for those posts too. They contributed a really hard nothing, and it was basically all you posted for like a month or more. On topic, this topic here contributes a different kind of nothing.

 

I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but perhaps silence is all that's needed here instead of coming to the forums and making more spam. I think we all agree that a better system of handling cheaters is needed, and in that light, what's the point of having a whole thread about it? Celebrating our agreement?

 

You'll notice that in the General Discussion subforum, there actually is some pretty on topic Hawken related discussion going around that's, if not completely original, not a total copy of a cry that's been heard a thousand times before.

 

Truthfully, what do or did you expect to come of this thread? Something positive? You have 217 posts. You should, kind of know better.

 

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Where are your parents when you make these worthless repetitive threads? Shouldn't you have some kind of supervision?


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Tickle, I posted this hoping for a response as a paying customer. I think we can all agree cheating lately has increased several fold. I do agree with you that in-fighting isn't going to solve anything, and so I won't contribute to it further. Thank you for pointing that out to me. However, clearly my posts about the EOC were meant intotal jest and really as a way for my fellow Robros to get a laugh when everyone else is doom and gloom about the future of this game. That's really all I meant with it and so if people are offended by the spam or whatever evilness they thought I was going for I'm here to assure them - I'm all about the fun. That's it, that's all. I apologize to your eyes for having to think about the mysteries of the blinking red light ;)

It just hasn't been fun lately with all this botting or worse yet the revelation that perhaps some of our higher tier players you've, I've, we've been trying to emulate are actually just cheaters. Kaiser is a great example of this. Really that's what this post boils down to brother. I hope you and Ami can understand my position now a bit better without thinking I'm trying to ruin your forum experience. Best of luck to us all against the bot in 2016.

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Hey, I won't judge. Tiggs didn't do anything about it, a block is just a matter of personal preference, and I just didn't want to see it all the time. Glad there's no hard feelings.


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None at all brother. That goes for you too Ami. I really do respect you guys and what you've done for all of us. Don't take my Brother Money bit for anything other than it is - a chance to have a laugh.

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Kaiser is a great example of this.

 

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^this does make things cuter for sure.
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The day HAWKEN has a meaningful anti-cheat that somehow miraculously stops a cheater from immediately making a new account for free and continuing to play, I will legit gift you an item of your choice on Steam up to $20 in value. You can hold me to this.

Big spender  :thumbsup:

 

opps...sorry Money

 

+1


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lol. kaiser doesn't cheat. he cheeses.


I like going against the best of any game I play. Helps you in the long run n motivates u to do more. Always room for improvement not failure

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lol. kaiser doesn't cheat. he cheeses.

I don't cheese. I brawlsack.



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agree with TS +1


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+ 10 at least
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Iirc awhile back they said that when a client update is possible it'll also include some kind of anti cheat


I'm sure its coming and they're aware of it, it sucks but be patient :|

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As prevalent as the cheat problem appears to be (and is), it should be noted that the current group of prevalent cheaters is almost certainly just a handful of people. I had one absolutely confirm it was her (yes, it's a "she", unless they're using someone else's photos), and the other has admitted to cheating using other accounts (we all know who this is).

 

The cheating, fortunately or unfortunately, isn't as rampant as it seems. It's just some dipsh*t(s) who like to cause trouble, or can't cause enough trouble legitimately on their own without resorting to using hacks made by other asshats.


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The cheating gets magnified when, as we all know, the player base atm is so small.


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just popped in to see OP get incinerated for making a thread.

 

wasn't disappointed.

 

But yeah the cheating does seem to be a bit more common these days, I've been seeing crazy speedhacks and stuff.


The Hawken forum's a forum, but it's like the only one you get yelled at for using.


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As prevalent as the cheat problem appears to be (and is), it should be noted that the current group of prevalent cheaters is almost certainly just a handful of people. I had one absolutely confirm it was her (yes, it's a "she", unless they're using someone else's photos), and the other has admitted to cheating using other accounts (we all know who this is).
 
The cheating, fortunately or unfortunately, isn't as rampant as it seems. It's just some dipsh*t(s) who like to cause trouble, or can't cause enough trouble legitimately on their own without resorting to using hacks made by other asshats.

 
Some proof of what TJ is saying, and yes I already sent the non redacted originals to the devs. If you think the devs don't know about the hackers or aren't taking it seriously....put yourself in their shoes and think for a second. Also, please stop making threads about this fuzzy bunny. You are only giving the hackers attention, which is really all they are after. Given their apparent goal, it is pretty sad that they can't just move on with their lives.
 
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Devs are still responding to support tickets. You have a problem with hackers, record them and report them. If the devs aren't responding to these posts there must be a valid reason for it and making another post isn't going to be helpful; seriously this is some facebook level "+1 to cure cancer" trash that should stay where it belongs, on facebook.

Every support ticked I've made, the devs have been, helpful, supportive and resourceful at the very least. If they could help they would, and if they can't we need to be patient because no post we could make could change the fact the devs hands are tried.



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Well mechanic, I'm not getting the same response from devs when I've submitted videos so I disagree with you. I'm glad you pointed out the most obvious thing most of us have pursued with no relief. You're experience with support tickets sounds more like fantasy land - I like this land but it isn't based in the reality we have today. I'd appreciate it though if you could have a few more cold beers next time we visit this land of yours so while I wait for nothing to be done we can kick back and get a good buzz on - shoot an EOC puck or two around. I think a lot of people on this forum would also say the lack of support is an issue with them too. I've seen several people still playing weeks later who I've submitted clear video on. The reality is it doesn't hurt anything to make a statement to the effect that "we recognize an issue and are working hard on resolving it". Session ipa's on those beers bro, cheers.
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Those with private servers should start making those the go to place for matches, and personally handle kicking/password protecting servers from well known cheaters. We can just manually moderate the matches and have admins on the private servers take care of this. It wouldn't be hard to start incorporating this into the game. Even giving some well known players moderation ability on public servers would be useful but a little more out of the question. This would become an easy way to regulate these matches. 

 

One idea, get a mailing list of users who want to use a private server with a 1 to 1 mapping of email address to in game account name, automatically email all those players the private servers password when it changes. Change the password every few days. Automatically kick anyone who is found to be cheating in the server and refresh the server password and re email out a new list. 

 

Tedious yes, effective yes. 

 

As long as nobody is openly giving out the password to the people who use cheats/hacks, this should effectively fix the issue.

 

You can submit videos of proof of cheating to admins of the server, and have those players permanently removed from the mailing list and the password promptly updated (after a match finishes). 

 

We have enough private servers to handle this, and if one server abuses their power, there are other servers who will be more fair.

 

Every server will have its own rules etc, but together a chain of servers will provide a safe place to play for new players and old players alike.


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Actually to make an official statement regarding the hacker 'problem', they'd have to admit that there is a problem. If they can't fix the issue, admitting that the problem exists and being no fix for the foreseeable future would deter players.

 

Then what do you suggest the reason they haven't banned players with clear evidence against is? because I doubt it is reasonless to say the least. They have the ability to remove accounts, they have the evidence, and yet hackers are still active; now I'm not questioning the validity of your evidence but there must be some reason and a second post to the forum wouldn't change that.



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Maybe if it where just me submitting vids where nothing is being done, you might have some teeth on your argument here but I know several players submitting stuff where nothing is happening either. Too much smoke for there not to be fire, sorry bud. I don't think it's outrageous to ask for some official response on something like this.

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I could have explained that better, i'm not insinuating that there is a problem with your tickets in particular. My point is that there is some reason the devs aren't responding to every ones hacking related tickets, and no amount of forum posts will change that.



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Fair enough. Thank you for your input.

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If the developers aren't responding to this issue, then I assume it might be one of several reasons. They don't have the time or man power to address this atm because of what they may feel are more pressing concerns in getting this game moving forward...or they may have other options in the works that involve them moving on from Hawken.

 

Of course I'm just speculating same as others here on what goes on inside their minds as to what the real objectives are, since there hasn't been so much as a peep on the forums from them, except for maybe a few very minor replies from Tiggs.

 

I think this post and others like it are very relevant do to the current outbreak of Hackers and cheaters in the game. Though some would argue that it's a small number (which may be the case) ...it has a dramatic impact when Hawken has so few players, playing at any given time.

 

If some are concerned that all this does is give the attention to these sad individuals ( KILL THE HERETIC HACKER ) that they seem to crave, I think it's better to shine a very bright light on the subject to try and get someone to act than just ignore or stay silent.

 

I personally don't think anything at this time will be addressed (that we may be aware of) until Reloaded speaks with words or actions on what they are intending to do with Hawken but still feel a need to post about it since it is an issue affecting everyone. 

 

Like the "Clash" once said..."should I stay or should I go" ....I hope they stay, get this game fixed, deal however they can with cheating & hacking, get more people playing and staying in the game and move forward.

 

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The Devs ALSO need to implement a better Callsign ID security, as one of the most FREQUENT hackers decided to make an account using 99% of my name, so when i logged in, people were like oh the hackers back and left... KILL THE GAME....

 

 

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^ I knew the mysteries of the blinking red light beat in your heart. Muahahaha!!
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