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I'd like to hear on what are your actual and most sincere thoughts on this mech now

 

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Note: Yes, this discussion may not only be based on the Scout's speed but on your actual vision for this mech. Hope this helps and thanks for your participation once more ;)


Edited by The_Silencer, 06 April 2016 - 04:11 AM.

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Good at mobility, close range damage, and being the unfortunate subject of raider highlights.


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Scout seems fine as is really, considering any good assault or raider pilot could absolutely destroy one in mere seconds


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The scout is too fast for this game for sure. If you put evasive device and power surger on, it walks faster than most mechs can boost.  AND IT HAS THE STRONKEST BURSTEST guns.  WTF. 


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Since you only asked if it was OP I'm thinking this is worth one shot instead of two


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Since you only asked if it was OP I'm thinking this is worth one shot instead of two

 

Now wait. The OP only asked if it was OP, so that makes sense that it's 1 shot. But then Poop said that it's too fast and questioned it's weapon loadout, so that should count for an additional 2.

 

That makes 3 shots, right? Or can each rule only be triggered once per thread?


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I used to think scoot was too fast/OP(?) when I first HAWKENed.



And then I tried piloting one. :tongue:
(Spoiler alert: I'm not good at it).



 


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It is because of it's having the strongest burst DPS that it is too fast.

 

There is no denying that it takes a skilled pilot to turn that into an OP combination, or that an exceptionally skilled Assault or Raider pilot can wreck them... but when you consider that, it means it is not well balanced.


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Now wait. The OP only asked if it was OP, so that makes sense that it's 1 shot. But then Poop said that it's too fast and questioned it's weapon loadout, so that should count for an additional 2.

 

That makes 3 shots, right? Or can each rule only be triggered once per thread?

 

It has to be once per thread, or else Poopslinger will kill us all very, very quickly.


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Scout has 320 health. /thread


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Scout has 320 health. /thread

 

this is now a callout thread, 3 shots


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There is no denying that it takes a skilled pilot to turn that into an OP combination, or that an exceptionally skilled Assault or Raider pilot can wreck them... but when you consider that, it means it is not well balanced.

 Your first sentence that ends with ... pretty much describes a balance.  Then you say that balance is not well balanced. 

You are a dumdum and I'd like to hear the explanation which proves your not a dumdum. 


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this is now a callout thread, 3 shots

I'm not old enough to drink? I'll take shots of apple juice though...


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as a 3 shot applejuice veteran how would you pilot this callout thread in order to balance it?


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this is now a callout thread, 3 shots

 

Wait 3 on top of the 3 from earlier? I guess I'm done being productive today


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It is because of it's having the strongest burst DPS that it is too fast.

 

There is no denying that it takes a skilled pilot to turn that into an OP combination, or that an exceptionally skilled Assault or Raider pilot can wreck them... but when you consider that, it means it is not well balanced.

 

 

 Your first sentence that ends with ... pretty much describes a balance.  Then you say that balance is not well balanced. 

You are a dumB-dumB and I'd like to hear the explanation which proves you'rE not a dumB-dumB

 

 

It's in the wording... which I realize I could have made more clear.  Sorry.  

 

A "skilled pilot" in a Scout vs. an "exceptionally skilled pilot" in the Raider or Assault.  To add to that, if it's only a highly skilled pilot in two specific mechs able to take down a skilled pilot in a Scout, well, I don't call that balance.  Balance is when two pilots of the same skill level can take down each other an equal amount, no matter which mech each is piloting.  I'm not saying that all mechs should be able to do this at any range or any circumstance - that part is up to the pilot to know the strengths and weaknesses of their mech in all circumstances.


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You are a dumdum and I'd like to hear the explanation which proves your not a dumdum.


Pretty strong words for an average at best player who all that does is shitposting. You should have remained banned.
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as a 3 shot applejuice veteran how would you pilot this callout thread in order to balance it?

Not sure how I would pilot it but I'd complain about lag along the way for sure. 


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Drink again?


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Pretty strong words for an average at best player who all that does is shitposting. You should have remained banned.

 

Don't you have some siege pubs to yell at?


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Drink again?

 Am I doing it righhhhh


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I am dumb.


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I am dumb.

 

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The unfortunate subject of raider highlights.

 

This pretty much.

 


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It's in the wording... which I realize I could have made more clear.  Sorry.  

 

Aren't you the guy who calls any player better than you a 'smurf', as if that's a bad thing? 

 

Do you not know that we are ALL smurfs, reflections of the higher dimensional being known as: "Crafty"?

 

(the accuracy of the rendition of the name diminishes exponentially as you traverse down-dimension many levels.  If you are far from Crafty, you might misread the name as something else, and suspect 'Smurf' as you watch the fireball which was formerly your mech start to cool.)

 

Scout is fine.  They're easy to hit.  320 health.


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as a 3 shot applejuice veteran how would you pilot this callout thread in order to balance it?


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What does this thread mean?



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It is fast, but it does take quite a good amount of skill and experience to be effective with it, and it isn't just Raiders and Assaults that can take a Scout out. I took on Scouts in an Infil and did alright in the recent tourney (though admittedly I've got quite a lot of experience with the game and the Infil), and it's also possible to take 'em out with heavier mechs, or mechs with a good amount of splash damage weapons.

 

The main problem players probably face is that when they're up close, their speed makes it difficult to keep aim on them, and panicked pilots will probably hit the turn rate cap even more during this time. Pair that with the ridiculous amount of close-up power potential with no repercussions when the Flak or Mini Flak are used and it makes for a particularly deadly adversary.

 

Perhaps a big reason they seem so dangerous is because many of the higher-skill pilots use them effectively, and lower-skill pilots haven't yet developed the muscle memory or strategies to counter them.


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Scout is fine.  They're easy to hit.  320 health.

This is why I dislike the High Tier CabalTM


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What does this thread mean?

 

Just to pick up some post on here to quote.. Sometimes it may look as if I'm late at replying.. mostly given to different timezones though

 

Anyway,

 

Yes. The purpose of this thread was -and still is- to share perceptions, thoughts and ideas on the actual Scout's configuration. Basically, this was about exchanging experience on its high maneuverability and speed, internals, what if piloted by skilled and not so skilled players.. nothing wrong on talking about any of its weapons too...

 

-Tj- touched a nerve with his latest post in here:

It's also very relevant to put yourself in someone's shoes with lower skills. Well in case that new pilot is piloting an Scout or well any other mech in the game. But I think that we mostly could agree on that new players must flip while facing off an skilled Scout pilot on the field. Even whilst fighting Vs. an average Scout pilot if they're very new in the game


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This is why I dislike the High Tier CabalTM

 

 

I guess I'm flattered, but I don't really consider myself to be in the HTC.  I don't, for example, IRC.


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 Thinking about it, I know people you'd consider HTC well enough to know personalities and playstyles, enough to joke around a little; but only about as well as you'd expect for random text/limited voice contact over the course of 3+ years. 

 

 You had best address the High Tier Cabal™ by its proper title you lowly pubstar!

 

*waves hands dramatically*

 

Now begone! I must conspire to ruin the new player experience by manipulating the MMR system.


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I guess I'm flattered, but I don't really consider myself to be in the HTC.  I don't, for example, IRC.

I guess "Scout is easy to hit" is a trigger phrase for me. 


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 You had best address the High Tier Cabal™ by its proper title you lowly pubstar!

 

*waves hands dramatically*

 

Now begone! I must conspire to ruin the new player experience by manipulating the MMR system.

 

:)

 

I guess "Scout is easy to hit" is a trigger phrase for me. 

 

It is - it's exactly the same thing with duelling using Pred or SS/Reaper - you build the muscle memory to put the shot where the Scout has to end up.  If I'm using a Sustain mech, I slide to keep the scout in the crosshairs or slide away while/after launching TOW to where he'll end up.  If I'm using a bursty mech I'll slide to where he has to go through my crosshairs, then 'plink'.


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My stance on this is slightly split. On the whole, I think Scout is balanced and to do well in Scout you need to be particularly skilled because any hit will ruin your day. However, I do think its speed is the primary reason it's the go-to pubstomp and Deathmatch choice. Why? Simply because it gets you to the fight faster, which means more score. It is partially because of this that I don't play Deathmatch. I don't find that a swarm of Scouts running around shooting each other in the back makes for particularly interesting gameplay, but that's just a matter of personal preference, not because I think there's anything wrong with Scout.

I don't think Scout needs any changes myself. If its speed is nerfed then it risks losing any value in higher-level games because people will just swat them like flies. And in lower level games, stompers will just switch to the next fastest mech to use instead and then it will be the same discussion but just with a different mech name.
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It's very quick sure but their health is so low.. if you can pull off landing a single, solid tow/Breacher/gl on them while taking minimal damage yourself you basically win unless they're very skilled pilots and can cope with having almost half their health removed in one blow.

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There is nothing wrong with scouts, they are my favorite prey. Where they belong.

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