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I don't care whether or not this group listens to me.  I have already stated the best thing for this game is if the devs ignore you.  Thankfully this is what they are doing which is why everyone is so angry.

 

The best thing for me is to ignore you.  I am going to take my own advice and say goodbye (again).  You can argue among yourselves as you always do.  You have made it a habit to chase anyone with opposing opinions away.   Exactly why the PC and Console forums were kept apart.

 

There are bans for acting this way and they keep this community away from the consoles for the same reason.  But its ok because YOU believe I am wrong.

 

Bye Everyone.   Have fun playing with yourselves.



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I don't care whether or not this group listens to me.  I have already stated the best thing for this game is if the devs ignore you.  Thankfully this is what they are doing which is why everyone is so angry.

 

The best thing for me is to ignore you.  I am going to take my own advice and say goodbye (again).  You can argue among yourselves as you always do.  You have made it a habit to chase anyone with opposing opinions away.   Exactly why the PC and Console forums were kept apart.

 

There are bans for acting this way and they keep this community away from the consoles for the same reason.  But its ok because YOU believe I am wrong.

 

Bye Everyone.   Have fun playing with yourselves.

 

We haven't chased you away.  You sent yourself away because you couldn't bring yourself to discuss forum matters with other community members in a sensible, logical, understanding manner.  There's a reason why the PC community is separated from the console community.

 

 

So that the console community won't run into people like you.


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We haven't chased you away.  You sent yourself away because you couldn't bring yourself to discuss forum matters with other community members in a sensible, logical, understanding manner.  There's a reason why the PC community is separated from the console community.

 

 

So that the console community won't run into people like you.

Way to go Silverfire! Where else are we suppose to find our daily hawken drama? Now we have to go and find something better to do. Next drama thread.mm5go.gif


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Although Stormwalker has left, I'm going to address some logical errors they've made throughout this thread.  Given their accusations of directed community bias, anger, and "posting tactics," it's worth demonstrating that he/she has misinterpreted polite refutation as personal assault.

 

We'll start with an early analogy:

 


You don't play Chess and since you don't like a rule, ask that it be changed so you can play better.

 

You strawmanned Silverfire's argument immediately. His original words were, “If we don't like the end product, then we can talk to the devs in order to see what compromises can be made”. Disliking a reworked game – a game you've enjoyed for years – and requesting further amendments doesn't necessarily (or even likely) stem from wanting to “play better”.  More likely, it indicates gameplay preferences, or that he (with his experience) has noticed blatant balance issues.

 

 

Hyginos' reply addressed this portion of your post: “Games were created to force people to adhere to a different set of rules. To change those rules at a players [sic] whim, [sic] defeats the purpose of the game.”

 

His (sarcastic) analogy [“I'm sure chess was conceived in exactly the form it is now and nothing has changed about it ever in the history of anything. Same with checkers and soccer and rugby and every other game.”] demonstrates that even stable, longstanding games have undergone rule changes. Therefore, he implies, rule changes are certainly possible for a live-development game.

 

 

Your next response isolates a listed item within Hyginos' analogy (soccer). Note that Hyginos didn't mention soccer as a direct Hawken analogy, but as another example of a longstanding game – an example spurred by your chess analogy.

 

You wrote, “Whether or not a certain rule has been adjusted in a given game doesn't change change the fact that they won't change the rule in soccer that you can't touch the ball with your hands just because a few players don't like it. Also, if they don't like the call of a referee and argue it?   They get thrown out of the game.  Does this sound familiar?"

 

I responded, “You're reaching.  Soccer's not a live-development project whose creators/developers (supposedly) value player/dev interaction and feedback.

 

And you replied as though we'd launched some veteran-coordinated, personal attack:

 

Someone else brought up Soccer, not me.  I was just extrapolating on that.  Yet I am the one who is reaching.   Again, do you see the way you manipulate the arguments against someone's opinions you do not like?  Do you see the way this community handles situations like this?  

 

This is exactly why they do not listen to this community.

 

But let's look at the logical issues within your analogy.

  1. As mentioned previously, Hyginos didn't claim that soccer and Hawken are directly analogous.  He simply included soccer within a list of longstanding games - a list which, alongside its Chess point of origin, demonstrated that games don't remain unchanged throughout their lifetimes.  His analogy refuted your statement without overreaching because he was talking about those games very generally.
  2. You, however, took a listed example (meant to show general properties) and delved into its specifics, as though Hyginos had claimed detailed commonalities between soccer and Hawken.  That is overreaching.
  3. Not only were you overreaching, but your specific points of comparison are flawed.  Firstly, allowing soccer players to use their hands would fundamentally change the game.  It would no longer resemble soccer.  An equivalent Hawken change might be giving everyone autoaim, or making it infantry-based.  And no vets are arguing for such sweeping changes.  Secondly, players being ejected for questioning calls doesn't resemble developmental forums.  In the former, you're referencing instances within a specific match; in the latter, you're referencing discussion forums for a game in live development.  And if the majority of teams within soccer's professional leagues brought forth persistent rule complaints, you can bet that FIFA would organize investigative panels.

All of this to demonstrate that there are frequent logical errors within your posts, Stormwalker.  Indicating those errors, or disagreeing with your assessments and opinions, doesn't constitute manipulation, personal attack, or high-tier cabal posting tactics.  In fact, I think everyone has bent over backwards being polite - especially given your typical tone.


Edited by Nept, 03 August 2016 - 02:13 PM.

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(reserved for when I think of a clever comment about this thread going on WAY too long)



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I don't care whether or not this group listens to me.  I have already stated the best thing for this game is if the devs ignore you.  Thankfully this is what they are doing which is why everyone is so angry.

 

The best thing for me is to ignore you.  I am going to take my own advice and say goodbye (again).  You can argue among yourselves as you always do.  You have made it a habit to chase anyone with opposing opinions away.   Exactly why the PC and Console forums were kept apart.

 

There are bans for acting this way and they keep this community away from the consoles for the same reason.  But its ok because YOU believe I am wrong.

 

Bye Everyone.   Have fun playing with yourselves.

If you were to take a step back and remove yourself emotionally from your arguments, you might find that you'd change your mind.  From what I've seen, when confronted you tend to change the subject or resort to accusations that people are attacking you personally by disagreeing with you. In actuality, the respondents were providing logical interpretations and counterpoints to your ideas.  This is how a debate works.  


Edited by Xacius, 22 August 2016 - 10:24 AM.

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I love the Hawken forums as much as I love the game.  Its got everything, drama, anger, resentment, kindness, maturity, and class.  All of which is represented in this thread alone.  

 

I also feel as if the anger has subsided.... ....its going to be OK...or not .... we all just have to wait and see

 

Peace everyone nothing but love!!


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fuzzy bunny man. Ya'll started without me?



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fuzzy bunny man. Ya'll started without me?

Sorry buddy, the thread is dead now. Nothing really to talk about anymore, in less you want to start something. ;/


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fuzzy bunny man. Ya'll started without me?

 

nothing for you to neuter here

 

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Although Stormwalker has left, I'm going to address some logical errors they've made throughout this thread.  Given their accusations of directed community bias, anger, and "posting tactics," it's worth demonstrating that he/she has misinterpreted polite refutation as personal assault.

 

 

 

 

I don't believe this was necessary ....actually none of this was necessary.  


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I don't believe this was necessary ....actually none of this was necessary.


Believing the big bad high MMR cabal is out to get you every time you post isn't necessary either, but someone does anyway, so...

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I don't believe this was necessary ....actually none of this was necessary.  

 

I disagree.  When someone constantly accuses others of coordinated, personal attacks, it's worth noting the logical inconsistencies within their posts.  It's those logical inconsistencies - and the poorly-supported opinions - that garner criticism, not the person.

 


All of this to demonstrate that there are frequent logical errors within your posts, Stormwalker.  Indicating those errors, or disagreeing with your assessments and opinions, doesn't constitute manipulation, personal attack, or high-tier cabal posting tactics.  In fact, I think everyone has bent over backwards being polite - especially given your typical tone.



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Way to go Silverfire! Where else are we suppose to find our daily hawken drama? Now we have to go and find something better to do. Next drama thread.mm5go.gif

 

That .GIF... every time... I just don't even... I DON'T EVEN!!!!  What am I seeing?!  :ninja:



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Believing the big bad high MMR cabal is out to get you every time you post isn't necessary either, but someone does anyway, so...

 

I don't believe anyone is out to get me....don't tell me what I believe and don't even start your BS with me....if your comments were directed at me.


Edited by DieselCat, 03 August 2016 - 09:35 PM.

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I don't believe anyone is out to get me....don't tell me what I believe and don't even start your BS with me....if your comments were directed at me.

 

It's not.  It's quite clearly directed toward Stormwalker.  See: https://community.pl...video/?p=101272



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Don't listen to him, Crafty is always angry.  Its part of having a tiny penis and being old.

 

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Its funny because.it's.true.

 

“(S)ecretly everybody’s getting tired of political correctness, kissing up. That’s the kiss-*** generation we’re in right now. We’re really in a ****** generation. Everybody’s walking on eggshells. We see people accusing people of being racist and all kinds of stuff. When I grew up, those things weren’t called racist.

 

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