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I have in the last weeks seen a lot of players starting witch hunts ingame on 2200 avr. servers because of players using external software (i.e. cheating) and this is making me furious because:

 

We all can usually just get into 1 server.

Players on this server is no playing the game, they are just fuzzy bunnyng about trying to kill 1 specific player.

It ruins the only game i can get into, wich used to be a fun way to spend an evening.

The players "driving" the hunt is actually acting like certain player(s) we have been complaining about for half a year.

I hear disturbing rumors from vet's who "have heard from" *a player* that *another player* is cheating, but nobody can present any proof, and even worse, it seems like they dont need any.

 

DONT get me wrong.

I HATE cheaters. I really do. Like I wake up in the morning because of my rage against cheaters.

 

But, we are blessed with the second coming (i.e. new Dev's), so let's use them.

Go pred and get any proof you can via vid's or screens or whatever and submit a ticket PLEASE.

 

I for one is not declaring that I have never done anything along these lines in my year of HWK'ening, but I fear this is going too far.

 

Regards

 

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Bunny meant other people than I thought, useless comment right here.

Edited by (KDR) Meraple, 04 June 2015 - 12:55 PM.


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Well at least you know it ain't me. Whew! Good luck you guys! :sweat:



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Yeah and those are fairly easy to recognise, tracking through walls, tracking when repairing, not missing a shot, lagging the server, etc



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Cheaters and aimbotters are not that much of a problem, just like trollers. The real problems are the low mmr players who are in the hig hmmr rooms or backwards.

 

I mean:

 

"!srd"

"[...] 1100-2400 [...]"

 

40/1

 

gg wp.

 

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I absolutely agree with you Bunny. I understand how difficult things have been for our higher tier players over the past few months. I understand that passions are running high too. However, this has to be dealt with in the proper way. 

 

This current path only serves to blur the line between right and wrong and will ultimately damage the possibility of any action being taken. All they are doing is throwing ammunition back to the opposition.

 

Forum call outs (even vague ones) and "call to arms" are also very damaging too and we have seen this over recent weeks so everyone needs to be very careful how they approach this. 

 

Also, I know that I am probably wasting my breath here but how about we try to keep this thread productive and not have it deleted for a refreshing change?


Edited by (KDR) Pastorius, 04 June 2015 - 12:25 PM.

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I absolutely agree with you Bunny. I understand how difficult things have been for our higher tier players over the past few months. I understand that passions are running high too. However, this has to be dealt with in the proper way. 

 

This current path only serves to blur the line between right and wrong and will ultimately damage the possibility of any action being taken. All they are doing is throwing ammunition back to the opposition.

 

Forum call outs (even vague ones) and "call to arms" are also very damaging too and we have seen this over recent weeks so everyone needs to be very careful how they approach this. 

 

Also, I know that I am probably wasting my breath here but how about we try to keep this thread productive and not have it deleted for a refreshing change?

 

My intension is to get players to stop this behaviour by the sheer force of the community, not by name calling or anything along those lines (before this goes too far)

 

Let's face it; this is a time of rebith for HWK and many things are happening, but let us not forget that most of us are players from the " dark age"  or before, and we can do better than this.

 

We love this game and would do anything to defend it as the great team based FPS it is, but stooping down to a counterproductive lvl is not gonna help.


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Cheaters and aimbotters are not that much of a problem, just like trollers. The real problems are the low mmr players who are in the hig hmmr rooms or backwards.

 

 

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I agree this is a problem and hopefully it will be solved.

Also the problem is that cheaters still play the game and ruin experience for other pilots.

 

No need for such conspiracies though.

 

cheers 


Edited by ILikeChickens, 04 June 2015 - 03:54 PM.

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Great Thread Bunny, 

 

You have displayed an eloquence and human understanding that I have come to expect from you, and I agree with everything you wrote in your OP.

 

Sadly that eloquence and human understanding, is sadly lacking from a large number of high tier players in the EU, including very sadly several of your fellow clan members.

 

Evidence as you say is usually lacking or actually garbage,  I watched a utube posted video yesterday accusing #weallknowwho of feeding and trolling, yet when I watched it, that player was the best performing player for the first half of the match (on a total yolo team Vs a very organised team - which was the actual problem), whilst the filming player was utter garbage and did nothing but film the said pilot looking for "evidence".

 

I was hardly surprised when said player got upset and threw 1 emp in the face of the filming player (whilst they were out of combat and healing), self fulfilling prophecy if I ever saw one.

 

 

The issue with gang-bullying / harassment is more psychological.  If you can you should try to find this on utube it explains it perfectly.

 

http://www.channel4....s/episode-guide     

 

Episode 2 is the one you want.  The introductory statement is below

 

Episode 2
In The Gameshow, the second show in the Experiments series, Derren asks if we all have the capacity for evil and whether being part of a group affects our sense of right and wrong


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I completely agree when it applies to trollers, feeders and "omg it looks like he's cheating h4x0000000r". Thinking someone is cheating doesn't mean anything, it could be lag, it could be a mistake, it could be that what you see in the killscreen from that player's perspective is warped (easy example of this is stuttering and bullets coming out farther than the gun's barrel). Ganging up on someone you don't like or someone who's being an fuzzy bunny but not using any third-party programs is wrong and should not happen. I've never seen it happen personally.

 

But there's also the fact that one actual cheater with multiple and solid proof is still playing. That people did as you suggested (record and report) but nothing has been done. People get fed up and react, you can't expect them to just spread their legs and take it like a brave little trooper if nothing is being done the right way (ie; ban cheaters).

 

In that specific case, why should players resign and bow down to that cheater? I'm sorry but I don't get how you can expect everybody to just ignore a cheater ruining games every day for a month without reacting in the end. I also don't get how in this very specific case (again, completely agree on all your points for griefers and "cheaters" with no proof to back it up) the players reacting are somehow more to blame than the cheater. It's exasperation, it's getting tired about an unfair and wrong situation when what should happen to fix it is not happening, and it's out of your control to do so. I also find hilarious people who call this "bullying".

 

If someone in a marathon is taking drugs to enhance performance, that the other runners took a photo of him injecting them and reported it to the authority in charge but nothing is being done by that authority despite rules already in place, do you expect all of them to suck it up and happily trot along?

 

I just leave the server if I see him now, but if it's a 2v2 or 3v3 and everybody is up for making his experience miserable then why not.


Edited by neon, 05 June 2015 - 01:48 PM.

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@Neon - this. He is god damn right. Every single line. Except leaving server in case of spotting this sick <words here>. We do know who. But perhaps it is only option that I have. I mean its truly sad, for me, that like half of community let cheater laugh at our faces, instead of getting rid of him. I honestly dont get you point, Bunny and Ninja Goat. Dont u see what is he doing? That is obvious. Okay, I might be wrong, but since other players, with i'm sharing game for months(?) years(?) (so I know they never accused someone being cheater) are saying same thing, it must be something about it, right?

 

Okay, so we know he is hax0r. Did we gather up same day we realized? No! It has been happening for weeks! Enough!!! Lets make 2 weeks deadline next time, fair enough? In such case I would gather people on my own. But it wont be easy since so many of you are in oposition for such actions, and half server just spectating my/our efforts would render effort pointless since not enough firepower to quickly erase his determination.

 

Ninja Goat - I do tolerate trolls/feeder(s)/trash language kiddos. I have solid proof actualy :D Feeder who we are missing recently sent me bye bye PM, with all good luck stuff, which is nice. I guess I didnt bullly him enough. So evil in me is yet to be grown (I make it greater for a moment everytime i press F, being located in my location :D).

 

Sorry if hard-to-read-style or sth, I'm damn tired. But my point is preserved surely.

 

PS: Bunny, when u have arrived, with willing to play, we were already fed up after couple matches. If u hate cheaters as u stated, Its plasureable that u would want do things, as well after those matches. Just saying.


Edited by HepTagoN, 05 June 2015 - 03:55 PM.


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@ Hept & Neon: I really get the fact that you (as I see it) feel kinda helpless against cheaters since it seems like they dont face any consequences for their actions, but my experience after reporting 2 players with sufficient proof and a objective statement about their breaches of the game's fundamental rules, they have been dealt accordingly.

My point being in the OP is that I STRONGLY feel the way SOME players deal with the problem is done in the wrong manner. My motive of the OP is that we needed to discuss and do something about this as a community and friends, not to start a shitstorm and blaming ppl for wwhatever. think we all are pissed enough about the ones (cheaters) that seems like they aren't dealt with, but IMO Pastorious's idea that you have gotten an PM about from Merapple is a better way to deal with this problem than just aimless lashing out every chanche we get.

I will comment this further if you want when I'm nit aw hungover and back home.

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@ Hept & Neon: I really get the fact that you (as I see it) feel kinda helpless against cheaters since it seems like they dont face any consequences for their actions, but my experience after reporting 2 players with sufficient proof and a objective statement about their breaches of the game's fundamental rules, they have been dealt accordingly.

My point being in the OP is that I STRONGLY feel the way SOME players deal with the problem is done in the wrong manner. My motive of the OP is that we needed to discuss and do something about this as a community and friends, not to start a shitstorm and blaming ppl for wwhatever. think we all are pissed enough about the ones (cheaters) that seems like they aren't dealt with, but IMO Pastorious's idea that you have gotten an PM about from Merapple is a better way to deal with this problem than just aimless lashing out every chanche we get.

I will comment this further if you want when I'm nit aw hungover and back home.

 

I'm only really talking about one player, who has been on pretty much every time I'm on as well. He wasn't there yesterday though, maybe he has finally been dealt with. And I think the lashing out as you described happened only a month after seeing that player every time we logged on and the reports having no effect, hence the "people got fed up and reacted". This didn't happen at the start.

 

If cheaters are dealt with, people won't be backed into a corner and react, I think a month without reaction is pretty good patience on the part of players who had enough. Just like Hepta said, this is the only case where I've seen people act on it, feeders and griefers usually don't get more reactions than people chatting or leaving the game.

 

If the player in question has indeed been dealt with by the devs, than everything is well :) I agree with you that the only good response at first is to ignore and report. The actions that resulted in you making this thread happened after people got no answer from their reports done a month ago and seeing that player cheat daily.

 

In the end I'm not trying to convince you to believe differently than what you wrote, since I agree with you said. And I think talking about it is important, so thanks for making that thread. Good luck with that hangover   :smile:

 

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The unreal Engine is hacked long time b4. Sadly there are whole frameworks available for free to help some weird freaks to be Some in Game. 

I played since Open Beta. And after this Game died the first time many of my Hawken Friends admit that their used a AAA Backpack the whole time. But ok. This Game has no Cheat protection. Not even a spec mode. But there are a bunch of awesome Pro Players which even a whole bunch of mechs can not kill. 

 

Think about. This is sad an pathetic anyway. A Ban wave would wipe 20% of the high MMR player away. There is not even a subscription needed because no one patching the server/client Software. 

 

play if you have fun. 

 

lets count until the BS Generator dumps into the thread.


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