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Just hold on thing will change but we can and will adapt, WE WILL NOT FALL WE ARE THE BETA PILOTS WE CAN MAKE IT PAST THIS!

Maybe i'm just hopeful but i can and will adapt, Or i'll leave trying.

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Edited by Shade__, 17 June 2016 - 11:31 AM.

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I'd like to stay optimistic, but from what I've seen so far, things don't look good. Ascension was pretty bad. This looks worse. I'll hold my final judgement till after I play the first release of the new build, though.


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The game desperately needs a fresh wave of changes, just to mix things up and keep it interesting.

Personally, I'm looking forward to some network improvements and testing out my N4NN4 as she dual wields the revGL.

 

I'm more miffed that there's no beta we can participate in. Just impatient i guess.


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HAWKEN LOCOS FOREVER HOMMES !

Stay strong robros, contrary to popular belief this could be the best thing to happen to hawken in years.

I'll be continuing to hone my RAIDEROSITY... What will you be doing?
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I'll be continuing to hone my RAIDEROSITY... What will you be doing?

 

Looking forward to starting from scratch when they reset our accounts.


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To be serious for a moment this is just a joke

 


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Looking forward to starting from scratch when they reset our accounts.

is that confirmed?


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just trolling

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just trolling

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I don't even get the rules. I would fail horribly. So NO!



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I don't even get the rules. I would fail horribly. So NO!

i don't even get the rules too.


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The question is, will I want to make it past this?

 

If they trash the game, I'm not going to keep playing just because this is Howken.

 

And while I live the Raider's life, I'm not really looking forward to being stuck with just the reflak, if they are indeed giving each mech 1 weapon set.



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And while I live the Raider's life, I'm not really looking forward to being stuck with just the reflak, if they are indeed giving each mech 1 weapon set.

I have the whole 1 primary thing as my main question for the dev interview, But we don't know yet so i'm trying to stay neutral.


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The question is, will I want to make it past this?

 

If they trash the game, I'm not going to keep playing just because this is Howken.

 

I've finally reached that point myself, if only because I now have overwatch. Only game I've found that satisfies me the way Hawken does


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as much as im not 100% happy about the what we THINK we know about the updates...

 

im not giving up yet,

 

worst comes to worst imma take a  few months after the updates to stomp some noobs


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Read.. it is like always
https://www.playhawk...chs/infiltrator

"WEAPONS AND ITEMS

The Infiltrator can access this equipment in the garage. The alternate weapon can be purchased at mech rank 3 and the prestige weapon can be purchased at mech rank 5. To learn more about equipment, check out the Weapons Guide and Items Guide.

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To be honest, whilst I am not too keen on these changes, I'm not as angry as I should be about them either.

I won't know for sure how these changes will play until I try it for myself. When I try it, I'll make a judgement. I'm not so happy that the T32 seems to be taken away from the Raider, but it still has the ReFLAK. Even then, I do not know if they will even scrap the idea of alternative weapons entirely. The only way I will know for sure whether it is fun or for the better or not is when I am able to play it or if the devs kindly shed some light on this topic. When / if I play it I will form my own opinions.

While the changes might throw me off at first, I'll eventually adapt.

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WEAPONS AND ITEMS
The alternate weapon can be purchased at mech rank 3 and the prestige weapon can be purchased at mech rank 5.

Just to clarify it will probably be like it always have, but some changes are made to starting primaries

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It's confirmed, 2016 is the worst year among the 20 I've lived. So many losses, including HAWKEN. This is really depressing ...


The PC community is the red headed step child Reloaded never wanted but got saddled with when they married the PC community's mother.

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I need to screenshot my G2 Raider so I can remember it if it gets removed. 


 

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I'd like to stay optimistic, but from what I've seen so far, things don't look good. Ascension was pretty bad. This looks worse. I'll hold my final judgement till after I play the first release of the new build, though.

 

Which new build? Did I miss something?


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I need to screenshot my G2 Raider so I can remember it if it gets removed. 

 I did all my mechs today..

 

just in case


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I'm worried Reloaded is launching a half baked product into the wild masses (60 million consoles). If it doesn't resonate with that audience, it's done stamped, over. I can already see the Pay to Win threads now. Hawkens business is hot trash, and people will not look past it. 


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Look, until I see gameplay changes I will not say anything looks bad. 

 

Hell hawkens gameplay is horrid if you ask me atm compared to what it was. Personally I am tired of the item spam, and if it is limited I will shed the single biggest crocodile tear for it. I am tired of dealing with 2 players with 6 emp charges, that just throw em out like candy. assaults who tank by throwing up orbs on the ground like its going out of style, honestlt the items just hurt the game and it all started when ascension happened. Heck they removed the good part of ascension with the customization of mech stats but kept the item spam.

 

They need to move away from items/internals that allow gimmicks as well, the air dodge letting people worm up slopes is silly (As well as air dodges in general honestly) and there are other examples. Orb lord and so on. 

 

 


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Something Xacius mentioned yesterday has renewed my optimism.

 

The fact that they have these crazy weapon combos on the console gameplay vids implies that they have fixed the backend to allow for the flexibility to put any weapon on any mech.  This was not possible before and was a huge issue from what I understand.

 

Maybe this was Reloaded's way of showing us the possibilities that now exist?  Any weapon combo on any mech, so many possibilities now.


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Will we? Cause I have my doubts...

 

While we can only speculate on changes being made based on videos released/recorded at E3 and the few statements that Reloaded has bothered to make us don't paint a very pretty picture for what is to come in terms of balance and general perception that Hawken will have with the public after spending four years flopping about on the market not doing much except not living up the massive promised potential.

 

Personally I'm more burned by being left in the dark than the changes that are coming and I think it is quite telling for how we can expect the PC version of the game to progress and where that version stands in terms of importance.

 

You see I get that we aren't the audience anymore and haven't been since Reloaded purchased Hawken and we had our first interaction with Cap N' Josh. It makes sense too, Hawken came out and failed, we're only a few hundred people at best, and there's really no reason to focus on us. However the flat out ignoring us and not including us in anything is what really gets me.

 

Go back to when Reloaded first purchased Hawken and things seemed grand, we had a team that wanted to communicate with us and include us in a variety things. They made it seem like we mattered, that our understanding of the game would be a treasure trove of knowledge for them, and that they wouldn't make the same repeated mistakes Adhesive did by not including us in the game's development discussion.

 

Then everything went dark.

 

Now we've discovered none of our advice and feedback has been taken into account. In fact in many ways it seems like we're heading in the opposite direction and doing things we as a community already know don't work, won't be received well, and leaves a bad taste in players' mouths driving them away from the game. Nothing we've said seems to have been heard by Reloaded who has forged ahead with their ideas of what Hawken should be and where it should be heading. Now they do have every right to do this, they own Hawken after all and we're nothing in the grand scheme of things. This is no different than if I bought a new car and decided to paint it a different color and switch out some parts for those with less performance but I like how it makes my car look, sound, and handle. Sure others might not like it but it's my car at the end of the day.

 

However I can't help but feel like Reloaded's ignoring our feedback and experience is going to ultimately hurt Hawken and the experience new players are walking into. Needless changes have seemingly been made without any hint as to why beyond Reloaded thought it would be best. While there are a few who have been involved with Hawken before at Reloaded throughout various stages of Reloaded's development on the IP I don't think they've had a big enough skill pool to proper test the numerous changes they've made and that's before we start thinking about this supposed 12 new mechs coming to the game when we only know of about two or three that was in development.

 

So we've got a completely inexperienced team with the game making numerous changes to existing weapons, mechs, stats, and load outs on top of nearly doubling the current mech count all while completely excluding the community which knows the mechanics, advantages, and disadvantages of most everything better than the development team does when it comes to actual gameplay.

 

Time will tell if Reloaded made the right call but I'd by lying if I said I wasn't swimming in doubt and already expecting the day where I finally uninstall Hawken to arrive. It feels like we were jettisoned in favor of a massive gamble which in all likelihood won't pay out the way Reloaded is hoping it will. I hope I'm wrong in my concerns but when someone seems to take every tool they could use to help them succeed and proceeds to ignore them I don't think it's too much of a stretch to anticipate failure.

 

And all of this is before we even consider the negative image Hawken has around it and the fact that it is a failed four year old F2P PC game being ported to consoles that weren't even around when Hawken first released.


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I think we've been playing the current version of Howken for so long now that a lot of us are just nervous about any changes.  The fact that we don't know what we are getting makes us even more nervous.  Which is why some communication about what is coming our way would help diffuse the growing negativity.  If we are left to speculate, chances are we will fear the worst and that is what will be vocalized by the community.


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Shall we duel? Sharp shooter 360 noscopes only... on uptown with scanners.

Bruh 360's arent even a measure of skill in this game according to this highly complex formula: 2(Shift+S)
  

What if we just give some bacon paint, some bacon holo-emotes and change Bunker from snow to bacon.

 

This way, everyone will be happy.

What you should really do, is replace your parts with bacon, so you can cook games and eat bacon

Obviously the wallpaper would be cooler if bacon was incorporated into it.

 


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I'm worried Reloaded is launching a half baked product into the wild masses (60 million consoles). If it doesn't resonate with that audience, it's done stamped, over. I can already see the Pay to Win threads now. Hawkens business is hot trash, and people will not look past it.

I swear, if titanfall 2 kills our reboot, Im gonna personally lead a kuratas cavalry to the TF dev HQ >:l
  

What if we just give some bacon paint, some bacon holo-emotes and change Bunker from snow to bacon.

 

This way, everyone will be happy.

What you should really do, is replace your parts with bacon, so you can cook games and eat bacon

Obviously the wallpaper would be cooler if bacon was incorporated into it.

 


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I need to screenshot my G2 Raider so I can remember it if it gets removed.

FOR THE DEVS, if mechs are removed can we be compensated for the cosmetics such as alternative chassis parts that we would lose access to?
  

What if we just give some bacon paint, some bacon holo-emotes and change Bunker from snow to bacon.

 

This way, everyone will be happy.

What you should really do, is replace your parts with bacon, so you can cook games and eat bacon

Obviously the wallpaper would be cooler if bacon was incorporated into it.

 


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Look, until I see gameplay changes I will not say anything looks bad. 
 
Hell hawkens gameplay is horrid if you ask me atm compared to what it was. Personally I am tired of the item spam, and if it is limited I will shed the single biggest crocodile tear for it. I am tired of dealing with 2 players with 6 emp charges, that just throw em out like candy. assaults who tank by throwing up orbs on the ground like its going out of style, honestlt the items just hurt the game and it all started when ascension happened. Heck they removed the good part of ascension with the customization of mech stats but kept the item spam.
 
They need to move away from items/internals that allow gimmicks as well, the air dodge letting people worm up slopes is silly (As well as air dodges in general honestly) and there are other examples. Orb lord and so on.

Yes! please remove AC, sombody please make a poll on removing the AC, I have never used and will never use that thing because its so OP in my opinion.
  

What if we just give some bacon paint, some bacon holo-emotes and change Bunker from snow to bacon.

 

This way, everyone will be happy.

What you should really do, is replace your parts with bacon, so you can cook games and eat bacon

Obviously the wallpaper would be cooler if bacon was incorporated into it.

 


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Yes! please remove AC, sombody please make a poll on removing the AC, I have never used and will never use that thing because its so OP in my opinion.

 

Instead of spamming a topic with multiple replies why not just reply to everyone in a single post? That is a thing you can do instead of replying to everyone individually and spamming the forums which is kind of against the rules...



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I'd quote keji, but its a long post.
I agree with what he's saying for the most part. I think if reloaded was listening to us more, they'd strive to make changes we recommend as many of us are from the early adhesive days, and we remember when the game was living the glory days back then. If they considered more of what we said, I feel the game would be better off because we know how good it was and could try to implement some of the things that made it great. But alas we've got another 15? mechs joining the game, which is alot of balancing to do.

Also I apologize for not making this one post and instead having 5+ but on mobile I dont think i can multiquote (at least, not from my perspective)

Also I'd like to point out that I dont have a vendetta with devs, and I still love them, it just as many community members likely are, were worried about the unknown.
  

What if we just give some bacon paint, some bacon holo-emotes and change Bunker from snow to bacon.

 

This way, everyone will be happy.

What you should really do, is replace your parts with bacon, so you can cook games and eat bacon

Obviously the wallpaper would be cooler if bacon was incorporated into it.

 


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Something Xacius mentioned yesterday has renewed my optimism.

 

The fact that they have these crazy weapon combos on the console gameplay vids implies that they have fixed the backend to allow for the flexibility to put any weapon on any mech.  This was not possible before and was a huge issue from what I understand.

 

Maybe this was Reloaded's way of showing us the possibilities that now exist?  Any weapon combo on any mech, so many possibilities now.

 

I think the gameplay is good enough, and the changes you mentioned leave me with hope. I'm really more concerned with the current monetization model and the lack of new content shown (maps, mechs, etc). Hawken may hit with some initial success, but fail to hit hard enough to maintain success ala Blacklight: Retribution (FTP shooter). Gameplay is extremely important, but man, the FTP stuff really needs to nail it, otherwise people will abandon the game with the quickness on console.

 

Like not even kidding. There's plenty of free games to play from Xbox's Games with Gold program, and Sony's Playstation Plus program that Hawken can be easily ignored if there's any "feeling" of Pay to Win. Folks, do not forget that. Everyone's worried about the gameplay, but I feel the business model could easily make or break the game because the current meta while not perfect, is ok and totally playable. Of course gameplay changes will probably be required, but most gamers are ok with patches / balance changes. But if that business model feels even the least bit scummy, your a$$ is grass. 


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Instead of spamming a topic with multiple replies why not just reply to everyone in a single post? That is a thing you can do instead of replying to everyone individually and spamming the forums which is kind of against the rules...

 

Some people place importance on post count and like count? Iunno.



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I think the gameplay is good enough, and the changes you mentioned leave me with hope. I'm really more concerned with the current monetization model and the lack of new content shown (maps, mechs, etc). Hawken may hit with some initial success, but fail to hit hard enough to maintain success ala Blacklight: Retribution (FTP shooter). Gameplay is extremely important, but man, the FTP stuff really needs to nail it, otherwise people will abandon the game with the quickness on console.

 

Like not even kidding. There's plenty of free games to play from Xbox's Games with Gold program, and Sony's Playstation Plus program that Hawken can be easily ignored if there's any "feeling" of Pay to Win. Folks, do not forget that. Everyone's worried about the gameplay, but I feel the business model could easily make or break the game because the current meta while not perfect, is ok and totally playable. Of course gameplay changes will probably be required, but most gamers are ok with patches / balance changes. But if that business model feels even the least bit scummy, your a$$ is grass. 

 

P2W will absolutely be the nail in the coffin.  Some of the language I heard in the demo vids was not reassuring either. 



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I'm serious Shade_, it's "past". It's a goddamn preposition, look it up, nerd.


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Something Xacius mentioned yesterday has renewed my optimism.

 

The fact that they have these crazy weapon combos on the console gameplay vids implies that they have fixed the backend to allow for the flexibility to put any weapon on any mech.  This was not possible before and was a huge issue from what I understand.

 

Maybe this was Reloaded's way of showing us the possibilities that now exist?  Any weapon combo on any mech, so many possibilities now.

 

Isn't that the reason that ADH made the G2 versions in the first place, because they would have to overhaul the backend? Are you sure just that the regular mechs haven't been touched but they just added a bunch of new G2 mechs and slapped different weapons on them?



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Isn't that the reason that ADH made the G2 versions in the first place, because they would have to overhaul the backend? Are you sure just that the regular mechs haven't been touched but they just added a bunch of new G2 mechs and slapped different weapons on them?

 

I thought that any weapon on any mech system was taken out cause it is a nightmare to balance and certain weapon combos have no business being on a mech due to being overpowered. 

 

Hawken was originally setup for that kind of customization but balancing became a nightmare so they moved to more established classes with the mechs narrowing their loadouts so they could focus on specific roles on the battlefield. 



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Isn't that the reason that ADH made the G2 versions in the first place, because they would have to overhaul the backend? Are you sure just that the regular mechs haven't been touched but they just added a bunch of new G2 mechs and slapped different weapons on them?

 

I have no clue.  No one knows except Reloaded, and they haven't been very forthcoming with details. 

 

From what I've heard the backend was a mess, and Reloaded has mentioned working on the backend.  So, I'm hoping they fixed it and we are seeing the results in the demos.

 

But, I'd like to remain optimistic and think of the possible "good" things that the demos may imply rather than getting all gloom and doom.


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