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So wow, the Q&A really gave us a lot of information which is great.  Now we have some idea of what lies ahead.

 

For the most part I really felt pretty neutral about most of the stuff, nothing was a major shock, except for 2 things that kinda stuck out and concerned me.

 

First, the G2 variants.  I'm sure no one missed it, apparently they will have some advantage over the regular variant.  This sounds like a terrible idea, direct upgrades like this are usually not the smartest thing in free 2 play games like this.

 

Secondly, existing mechs will keep their alternate weapons if you have them already.  This is good and bad.  I'm glad I won't be forced to play mechs with only the default primary, but it will create "legacy" mechs essentially.  New players that join the PC version (while probably quite few) will quickly notice that flak scout is vastly superior to miniflak scout, and they will wonder how they can get this weapon, or why they got shafted for not having purchased mechs prior to the new release of the game.

 

Then we'll be forced to choose between whatever unknown advantage the G2 mechs have, and being able to play with the weapon you want.

 

I also thought the new mechs were a bit of a laugh, dual seeker and dual miniflak A class mechs will probably get annihilated by anyone who has the faintest inclination as to what corner play is but I don't really care so whatever.



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I think what LadyTiggs means is that the G2 versions will be slightly more powerfull than what

Adhesive had in mind with G2 mechs.  But not more powerfull than the G1 versions, just different i think (hope)

 

If the G2 mech will have some advantage over the regular variant why would anybody use a

G1 versions anymore after they have unlocked G2 versions? G1s would become obsolete and i

don't think they want that. 

 

I hope they don't want that :biggrin:


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I also thought the new mechs were a bit of a laugh, dual seeker and dual miniflak A class mechs will probably get annihilated by anyone who has the faintest inclination as to what corner play is but I don't really care so whatever.

 

The A class mech with the dual miniflaks sounds amazing. It was the mech I always wanted as I played the scout, with my main weapon as the miniflak



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I think what LadyTiggs means is that the G2 versions will be slightly more powerfull than what

Adhesive had in mind with G2 mechs.  But not more powerfull than the G1 versions, just different i think (hope)

 

If the G2 mech will have some advantage over the regular variant why would anybody use a

G1 versions anymore after they have unlocked G2 versions? G1s would become obsolete and i

don't think they want that. 

 

I hope they don't want that :biggrin:

 

 

 

 

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Gimme a mech with dual heat cannons... (but please not an A class)

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The A class mech with the dual miniflaks sounds amazing. It was the mech I always wanted as I played the scout, with my main weapon as the miniflak

Sarcasm I hope? This dual miniflak thing is basically just gonna be SAARE fuel and it wont have any combat ability due to the -5 seconds it takes for you to overheat.

Overheat simulator 2016.

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Maybe the mini flak scout's special will change. Perhaps a damage boost like zerk or a heat cool down like assault or g2 assault. Who knows at this point. What we do know is there is going to be a ton of new content to wet your whistle on which everyone wanted. You don't always get what you want.... You get what you need!

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Agreed with the OP.

 

-> if G2 have straight buff it will be bad, if G2 are better when you are more skilled it will be good.

example : a reflak raider vs a T32 raider. If you want to tune the stats : a T32 raider with slightly less armor but faster than its reflak cousin.

 

-> about "legacy" mechs. I really don't know how they can handle it so that the game is fair. If they "buff" new mechs old ones will be useless. If they don't buff new mechs legacy mechs might be OP (vulgren, hawkins brawler, TOW assault, PPA incin', RPR tech)

My opinion is that allowing legacy mechs only in "free for all" server and private server is the least bad solution.


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I think it said in the Q&A that "legacy" mechs would get the same stat changes as their newly purchased versions.  So yeah, you'd just have people with basically op weapon combinations pissing on (and off) new players.

 

Maybe not a free for all but there could be separate servers for those willing to play with "legacy" mechs, though this would probably annoy most of us and divide an already minuscule playerbase.

 

My only guess would be that they don't care since these "legacy" mechs will be only in the PC version which they probably don't expect to be generating much revenue anyways.



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I said this in another thread, but I'm not too worried about the "legacy mech" "issue."

A. I assume all or most or many of the weapon options we have now will still be available in new Howken as G2 mechs, G3s, etc. Which is clearly a goofy money-making scheme, but that's a different discussion.

B. Letting beta players (And older) keep everything they had prior to the new Howken is LITERALLY the best way to recognize and say "thanks" to those players who stuck around for so long, I can't think of anything better. If nubs cry "no fair" over it, well... Sure, it isn't, to some degree. But to some degree retaining these options IS a privilege, isn't that exactly the whole point? And, like the previous post states, these "legacy mechs" will only be on the PC version anyways, which is clearly and obviously no longer RLD's priority; RLD doesn't care if noobs come to PC and continue to get roflstomped by the vets, the consoles are their new cash cow now, and things will prolly remain that way. And if and when PC-play becomes cross-platform with XBOX or whatever, many new players would've had enough time to unlock the leet OP G2 B.S. or whatever by that point. :tongue:

C. RLD will prolly do their best to balance this somehow. (...Or not? lol)


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While we didn't get a direct answer to the "will G2 mechs require an in-game purchase?"  It absolutely sounds like they intend for G2's to be an actual "Upgrade" - like having distinctly better performance and, to quote, "...a bit of a power increase to the G2 variant of each mech".

 

Sure, I suppose that "power" could be taken to mean different things... but more power is more power.  And "upgrade" means to make better.

 

It makes me nervous.


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It makes me nervous.

 

Same.


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While we didn't get a direct answer to the "will G2 mechs require an in-game purchase?"  It absolutely sounds like they intend for G2's to be an actual "Upgrade" - like having distinctly better performance and, to quote, "...a bit of a power increase to the G2 variant of each mech".

 

Sure, I suppose that "power" could be taken to mean different things... but more power is more power.  And "upgrade" means to make better.

 

It makes me nervous.

I saw that  as a potential pay-to-win format. Gamers love that.

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I said this in another thread, but I'm not too worried about the "legacy mech" "issue."

A. I assume all or most or many of the weapon options we have now will still be available in new Howken as G2 mechs, G3s, etc. Which is clearly a goofy money-making scheme, but that's a different discussion.

B. Letting beta players (And older) keep everything they had prior to the new Howken is LITERALLY the best way to recognize and say "thanks" to those players who stuck around for so long, I can't think of anything better. If nubs cry "no fair" over it, well... Sure, it isn't, to some degree. But to some degree retaining these options IS a privilege, isn't that exactly the whole point? And, like the previous post states, these "legacy mechs" will only be on the PC version anyways, which is clearly and obviously no longer RLD's priority; RLD doesn't care if noobs come to PC and continue to get roflstomped by the vets, the consoles are their new cash cow now, and things will prolly remain that way. And if and when PC-play becomes cross-platform with XBOX or whatever, many new players would've had enough time to unlock the leet OP G2 B.S. or whatever by that point. :tongue:

C. RLD will prolly do their best to balance this somehow. (...Or not? lol)

well said. I really appreciate RLD for letting us keep our legacy mechs.

buying a G2 mech or something like this to get a different config will probably generate more revenue and circumvent the direct P2W accusations better than having people to pay for "upgrades" 



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well said. I really appreciate RLD for letting us keep our legacy mechs.

buying a G2 mech or something like this to get a different config will probably generate more revenue and circumvent the direct P2W accusations better than having people to pay for "upgrades" 

Assuming I'm correct, of course. But I am pretty convinced that the "G2s," rather than actually being direct upgrades to "G1s," will probably just consist mostly of some of the mech/weapon combos we already have in the current game, maybe with some stat tweaks. I don't have anything concrete to base that on, and I know the description for the G2 Pred seems to indicate otherwise, but I am also convinced that that's just some really poor marketing on RLD's part, tbh.

Not saying this isn't a scummy move in it's own right, for a myriad of reasons, but again that's a topic for another thread probably. They'll certainly make more money this way, at any rate.

 

I could of course be completely wrong and HAWKEN will just become Howken: Reloaded: Super P2W Edition. :yucky:


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The A class mech with the dual miniflaks sounds amazing. It was the mech I always wanted as I played the scout, with my main weapon as the miniflak

wheres my dual FLAK CANNON a-class


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wheres my dual FLAK CANNON a-class

Srry, only mini-flaks for you.

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I'm a little bit confused about the account migration or lack thereof and didn't want to make a new thread for it. So to be clear, am I going to have to start all over on my PS4 or will everything transfer over?

Nvm question answered. That is a fuzzy bunnyng bummer. Sitting on a few hundred thousand HC that will go unused. fuzzy bunny

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Double post

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Srry, only mini-flaks for you.

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I'll take it... But only because you posted trump.


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