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Its a shame Canada didnt keep our old primeminister, I cant believe that we got this pacifistic imbecile in office.


  

What if we just give some bacon paint, some bacon holo-emotes and change Bunker from snow to bacon.

 

This way, everyone will be happy.

What you should really do, is replace your parts with bacon, so you can cook games and eat bacon

Obviously the wallpaper would be cooler if bacon was incorporated into it.

 


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Its a shame Canada didnt keep our old primeminister, I cant believe that we got this pacifistic imbecile in office.

 

Better than claiming "If the victims in Paris would have been allowed to wear guns, the outcome of this event would be significantly different."


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I'm really sorry if I'm being very insensitive right now, but wouldn't spreading this message only be aiding the terrorists? Aren't terrorists goals in doing an action like this to get attention and spread fear within the general populace of the world which is being achieved through social media and other media around the world? I'm not saying that these attacks are alright or anything, and I truly empathize with the people of Paris and all affected peoples around the world but I'm just questioning the amount of media coverage on this situation and if they are aiding the reasons for the attack...



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I'm really sorry if I'm being very insensitive right now, but wouldn't spreading this message only be aiding the terrorists? Aren't terrorists goals in doing an action like this to get attention and spread fear within the general populace of the world which is being achieved through social media and other media around the world? I'm not saying that these attacks are alright or anything, and I truly empathize with the people of Paris and all affected peoples around the world but I'm just questioning the amount of media coverage on this situation and if they are aiding the reasons for the attack...

If we're talking about Al Qaeda, yes, and even then only to an extent. Al Qaeda is focused on expelling Western influence from Muslim countries, and ignoring them gives them diminishing returns on their efforts.

 

ISIS, no.

 

ISIS, the Islamic State, is more than an organization fighting for political and financial gain. It is a territory in Syria that is completely and strictly governed by a very basic, literal (and not necessarily inaccurate) interpretation of the Koran. It is literally its own political state (ijn all aspects aside from international recognition, which is not a stipulation in most definitions of "state", but is in others) whose interpretation of the Koran places them under a strict obligation to expand.

 

They believe that acknowledging any law that is not Sharia is grounds to be declared apostate - and this includes recognizing the existence of political borders.

 

Because they believe in the expansion of the Islamic State and the wide scale implementation of Sharia law, they are literally required to attempt to expand their territory as far as possible. It is not a political cause, the Islamic State literally believes that it is under holy obligation to conquer. To this end, they believe that terrorism is not only justified, but merciful. If continued, that sort of brutality inevitably leads to social change, and the change they want to see is surrender as opposed to a long, drawn out war.

 

I personally think discussion on the matter breeds interest and education, and whatever the outcome, this is a group of people that needs to be understood to be worked with, around, or against.

 

Seriously, read up on what ISIS is, the current state of Syria as well as its relationship to the Arab Spring, the rise of Baghdadi and the new caliphate, and the ideological differences between ISIS, Al Qaeda, and other Muslim groups, both peaceful and violent. It's not only genuinely interesting, but it's relevant to any discussion you might have on this, and there's the added benefit of participating in what a United States citizen might describe as a civic duty - being informed.


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Seriously, read up on what ISIS is, the current state of Syria as well as its relationship to the Arab Spring, the rise of Baghdadi and the new caliphate, and the ideological differences between ISIS, Al Qaeda, and other Muslim groups, both peaceful and violent. It's not only genuinely interesting, but it's relevant to any discussion you might have on this, and there's the added benefit of participating in what a United States citizen might describe as a civic duty - being informed.

I would but I feel like the FBI would poke around my internet history and maybe put me on the no-fly list.


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What if we just give some bacon paint, some bacon holo-emotes and change Bunker from snow to bacon.

 

This way, everyone will be happy.

What you should really do, is replace your parts with bacon, so you can cook games and eat bacon

Obviously the wallpaper would be cooler if bacon was incorporated into it.

 


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War is a machine.

I never did understand the motto, could somebody explain?


  

What if we just give some bacon paint, some bacon holo-emotes and change Bunker from snow to bacon.

 

This way, everyone will be happy.

What you should really do, is replace your parts with bacon, so you can cook games and eat bacon

Obviously the wallpaper would be cooler if bacon was incorporated into it.

 


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I would but I feel like the FBI would poke around my internet history and maybe put me on the no-fly list.

 

I highly, highly doubt that the FBI would come knocking at your door if you read up on a few Wikipedia articles. 


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I've looked into it a bit, though not as much as I intend to before the next major election (I guess I'll wait and see what world events transpire before then). However, I would like to say that the word "terrorism" is indicative of the goal. Of course that moniker is sometimes falsely applied, but I certainly believe that these acts deserve to be called acts of terrorism. My point is, is the correct response to terrorism ever increased security measures? I don't think so. That response to me means that terrorism has won. But what is the correct response? I can't answer that question. And it's not like some security is a bad thing. But where do we draw the line? I don't know. But these are the questions that I ask myself each time similar atrocities occur.


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I've looked into it a bit, though not as much as I intend to before the next major election (I guess I'll wait and see what world events transpire before then). However, I would like to say that the word "terrorism" is indicative of the goal. Of course that moniker is sometimes falsely applied, but I certainly believe that these acts deserve to be called acts of terrorism. My point is, is the correct response to terrorism ever increased security measures? I don't think so. That response to me means that terrorism has won. But what is the correct response? I can't answer that question. And it's not like some security is a bad thing. But where do we draw the line? I don't know. But these are the questions that I ask myself each time similar atrocities occur.

To me they won if they succeeded in getting international borders shut to refugees from Syria and other places.  Wisconsin's governor is amonst dozens of US governors and quite a few heads of state that have closed themselves off to the Syrian people.  Pretty sure Isis is hoping to promote and then capitalize on the increased discrimination against Arabs in the western world.

 

A bigger problem is that most of the people fleeing Syria are refugees from war.  It seems like most of the people have seen some fuzzy bunny and need some help.  I'd personally risk a few deaths here and help 10-100,000 people rather than send them back to war.


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I've looked into it a bit, though not as much as I intend to before the next major election (I guess I'll wait and see what world events transpire before then). However, I would like to say that the word "terrorism" is indicative of the goal. Of course that moniker is sometimes falsely applied, but I certainly believe that these acts deserve to be called acts of terrorism. My point is, is the correct response to terrorism ever increased security measures? I don't think so. That response to me means that terrorism has won. But what is the correct response? I can't answer that question. And it's not like some security is a bad thing. But where do we draw the line? I don't know. But these are the questions that I ask myself each time similar atrocities occur.

My personal opinion? Target their lines of recruitment.
ISIS is a volatile state. Geographically speaking they don't have much in the way of sustainable resources and so they rely heavily on things like donations and new faces. When allowed to recruit, they actually do make a convincing argument to strong Muslims, and in short, that is that they can point to passages of the Koran that essentially say that true Muslims must do everything in their power to pledge allegiance to the caliph, a position that hasn't existed since the Ottoman Empire, and for many, that means pledging their life, and moving there.

There are other methods of interpretation, and there's always, as with any political or religious leader, arguments of legitimacy. Cutting off lines of recruitment and sending Islamic educators with different and equally legitimate interpretations of the Koran to fill their stead seems like a solid move, especially since it is not ISIS' intention to make allies.

It also possesses the potential benefit of educating non Muslims to the religion and cultures and helping to quell some of the very raw hostility that is currently circulating.

The suggestion isn't complete, because in the course of time that it takes ISIS to burn all its resources, fail to fulfill the prophecy that they are banking on, and ultimately collapse, it is incredibly likely that innocent people will die. Terrorism is a motive for them.

I just have a hard time drawing a line and saying, well because of this situation, we should cross this line. We should increase surveillance/military and police presence/etc. I disagree with those kinds of actions in general but recognize their use and occasional necessity. My bias simply doesn't allow me to say what should be done in terms of short term security.

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Our condolences to our french friends for the horrible attacks which recently happened in Paris.

 

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Be fair and also support other population who suffer from terrorism.

 

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I highly, highly doubt that the FBI would come knocking at your door if you read up on a few Wikipedia articles. 

I'm well aware of that


  

What if we just give some bacon paint, some bacon holo-emotes and change Bunker from snow to bacon.

 

This way, everyone will be happy.

What you should really do, is replace your parts with bacon, so you can cook games and eat bacon

Obviously the wallpaper would be cooler if bacon was incorporated into it.

 


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 Wisconsin's governor is amonst dozens of US governors and quite a few heads of state that have closed themselves off to the Syrian people. 

Well, individual states don't actually have the power to do that, that lies with the federal government.


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Be fair and also support other population who suffer from terrorism.

 

From Paris, with regards.

 

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