Comp Discussion
#1
Posted March 29 2012 - 05:37 AM
I'm not quoting because it's ugly.
The problem I have is when they start taking out nonrandom elements and start by not even trying to make random elements formulaic. When people say "don't add a low gravity map because it isn't what I consider competitive" it ticks me off. Low gravity isn't random, it's different.
Crits in League of Losers are a great example of something that could be made easily formulaic. Every x shots is a crit, as crit chance rises the number of shots it takes goes down. Same with dodges. If a person is taking the time to manage that cooldown they'd be rewarded. If they don't but they still run crit chance as a build, it can be looked at as a static DPS boost.
And they never play anything but control points in TF2. Not KoTH, not Payload, not Payload Race, not Attack/Defend, just control points. Those aren't random, they're just different. The argument that random is bad just flat out doesn't hold up when you start removing things that are considered fundamental game modes.
Gravity mods and physics mods also don't add anything random to the mix, they just add different skill sets that need to be used. Same with custom maps that aren't shitty.
Balancing weapons and junk also should almost never be done in competitive. When you are playing a game competitively, unless there is a MASSIVE outlier in terms of balance(AWP), you don't touch things. You accept the fact that some things are better than others and understand that it is what players are going to use.
I understand the removal of random elements. I do not understand the removal of all elements that aren't from Counterstrike, or the complete removal of any variation ever.
And because I like to poke at things. Poker is played competitively with millions of dollars on the line.
#2
Posted March 29 2012 - 05:41 AM
In either case, I agree with you. User mods to add a little variety on occasion are nice. If you don't want what the server is offering, you can simply log onto another server. TF2 has shown me that if the core gameplay is good enough you will always be able to find a server with the core gameplay elements in tact.
#3
Posted March 29 2012 - 05:50 AM
GUEST!! said:
In either case, I agree with you. User mods to add a little variety on occasion are nice. If you don't want what the server is offering, you can simply log onto another server. TF2 has shown me that if the core gameplay is good enough you will always be able to find a server with the core gameplay elements in tact.
I played the shit out of KoTH on normal servers.
#4
Posted March 29 2012 - 05:55 AM
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#6
Posted March 29 2012 - 08:38 AM
Cosm said:
Also, this goes a little into the fact that i love customization and i like things to be different. Maybe that is why i liked Garrys Mod so much. The game was based around customization, not that im saying hawken should be at all like Gmod.
Whatever, i ramble to much....
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#7
Posted March 29 2012 - 08:42 AM
Whatever i have actual work i should be doing so im not going to waist to much more time. Im sure Arseface has something to say anyway
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#8
Posted March 29 2012 - 01:22 PM
Has nothing to do with randomness.
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#9
Posted March 29 2012 - 02:11 PM
IMO, it's pretty rare to find ladders based on game mods in which you can earn any award. I may be wrong on this though..
I've seen ladders organized by fan parties; yes. But most of the times the games are played under vanilla rules..
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#10
Posted April 01 2012 - 08:35 PM
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I'm sorry you got owned.
#11
Posted April 02 2012 - 04:45 AM
Naraklok said:
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I played a match with a friend. We were in Skype. At the end of the match he told me about how he reported one of our team mates for being unskilled. Fuck. That. I don't care how a bad a person is, banning them from a game for being that way is just wrong. The fact that the bans are largely community driven just makes it worse.
The idea that the only reason you can dislike a game is because you're bad also irks me to a large degree. LoL is full of elitist pricks who elevate the game as though it came from God. Granted, they're not worse than the Dota folks, but it's still damn bad. So many games are just a full of a bunch of bitches that aren't willing to accept the fact that something they like isn't perfect.
#12
Posted April 02 2012 - 10:30 AM
Arse said:
Valid Point Detected
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#14
Posted April 02 2012 - 10:51 AM
The fact that it's in the report feed encouraging people to consider poor play a sin on par with hacking is completely disgusting.
#15
Posted April 02 2012 - 02:11 PM
It is there for ranking a players ELO. When matchmaking views them for a potential match, their ELO is lowered for the sake of team makeup.
ELO is a rating system. The reporting system isn't just used for bans but also weeding out system and or player errors.
#16
Posted April 02 2012 - 06:20 PM
The only difference between those two reports is cosmetic.
#17
Posted April 02 2012 - 07:10 PM
#18
Posted April 02 2012 - 07:40 PM
#19
Posted April 02 2012 - 07:43 PM
If someone is broadcasting it or it's blatantly obvious. Otherwise you should be using the 'Unskilled' report. Nevertheless these reports are pretty much useless in non-ranked games.
#20
Posted April 02 2012 - 07:56 PM
And there are people that try and end up with scores like that.
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