25 replies to this topic

[Morgenstern72]

I still own a good old CRT and so the standard refresh rare of 75Hz is making the game impossible to play for more than 5 minutes. How can I set it higher (like 100Hz)_ Searched the configs but found only the resolution

Thx for your advice

[Commy1]

Well assuming you have a 120hz monitor, it should have been set to default in the monitors settings.
To actually see those 120hz you need a GPU that can handle Hawken at 120fps. You can't really overclock a monitor to preform better than what it is.

[Morgenstern72]

It's not about overclocking, its a CRT monitor. You need a high refresh rate for your eyes with a CRT, not because of performance. Its unbearable to use 60Hz (and known as really unhealthy) since you see a huge flickering. With 85Hz it begins to be ok, 100Hz is quite good, 120 Hz is a pleasure for your eyes.

(To avoid tearing you can use VSync with a CRT.)

[machmanx]

75Hz should be decent, better than 60Hz.  But if that still bothers you, try lowering the resolution.  CRT monitors can only run higher refresh rates at lower resolutions, so I'd try 1024x768 .  This is assuming your monitor is a 15 or 17 inch.

What are your system specs anyway_  OS, Processor, RAM, Video card name and driver version_

[Morgenstern72]

75Hz is not decent, ts hurting my eyes too.

Its not about lowering the resolution, I bet 60Hz at ANY resolution i tried. It's a 21" and it can handle 85Hz at 1600x1200, 100Hz at 1280x0124x 120Hz at 1024x768 and 160Hz below. I tried on 1280x1024 and 1600x1200, every time 60Hz.

My sytem specs have nothing to do with the refresh rate of the monitor. Please dont confuse this with FPS, it has nothing to do with that.

Windows 7 64bit Pro
Intel i5 760 2,8@3,6GHz
8 GB RAM
NVidia GTX 560 Ti OC (OC by default from vendor, performs like a 570), newest beta driver.
But as I sad: my specs are not the problem, just that the game does not let me choose a decent refresh rate for my CRT.

Edited by Morgenstern72, March 22 2013 - 11:46 AM.

[KaszaWspraju]

The same here: 85Hz at 1600x1200, I would like know how to change refresh rate. CRT have enhanced image quality and performance, but at the cost of energy used and the dimensions of the monitor.

Now games are written for lcd, the refresh rate of 60 Hz and lock fps to 30. Playing at 60 hz refresh is very unpleasant on the CRT.

Edited by KaszaWspraju, March 22 2013 - 12:13 PM.

[hendman]

Did you try adjusting the advanced settings for your screen in windows_

[Morgenstern72]

In Windows I have no problem, since I can adjust the refresh rate without any problem.
I can not remember a game too where there was not a menu or settings file where this could not be done.

It's not a problem wiht windows, my monitor or my drivers. The setting is simply missing in Hawken...

[KaszaWspraju]

hendman, on March 22 2013 - 07:02 PM, said:

Did you try adjusting the advanced settings for your screen in windows_

What you set in the windows, and what a signal send game(program) to the monitor by the graphics card, are two different values.

Edited by KaszaWspraju, March 23 2013 - 01:48 AM.

[Morgenstern72]

KaszaWspraju, on March 23 2013 - 01:47 AM, said:

hendman, on March 22 2013 - 07:02 PM, said:

Did you try adjusting the advanced settings for your screen in windows_

What you set in the windows, and what a signal send game(program) to the monitor by the graphics card, are two different values.

Thx for clearing that up. I really feel that that how CRTs work is not understood by the majority here

[KaszaWspraju]

The younger generation does not know what is crt, cassette, video cassette and laser disck.

[Morgenstern72]

Well, CRTs are still used by many artists and graphic designers because of their superiour colors and many other features.

And I know some gamers that still use theirs because of being able to choose any resolution without quality loss, no problems with slow monitors, no probleme with viewing angels...you name it. I too have the same model a second time, so if my first one goes dead, I jsut swap to the next one. And the first one I have is no working for ~10 years.

How LCD/TFT screen could ever be made to sel better than CRT I cannot understand. Other than being smaller and lighter they have no advantage. And that's not why you use a monitor, but to get a good picture

But sadly games like this add a problem that only CRT owner have but would be super easy to solve...it they want.

Edited by Morgenstern72, March 23 2013 - 02:06 AM.

[KaszaWspraju]

I was looking for some command "refresh rate"  in *.ini  files, but I did not find anything obvious.

Edited by KaszaWspraju, March 23 2013 - 02:20 AM.

[Morgenstern72]

Thx for looking! I hoped I did not recognize all file locations when I was searching for...

[Manoloco]

What monitor do you have_, there should be drivers that let you set your monitor refresh rate on windows screen properties (where you set your resolution).

I have a Lacie Electron22blue that i dont use anymore, but that monitor was a joy to use in its time: i think it reached 1600x1200@100Hz, however in gaming i mainly used it at 1280x1024@100Hz or something like that because at that time graphic cards couldnt cope well at higher resolutions for high FPS.

best part: i got that monitor used for 55 US dollars and its retail price was 700+

[KaszaWspraju]

Manoloco, on March 23 2013 - 09:11 AM, said:

What monitor do you have_, there should be drivers that let you set your monitor refresh rate on windows screen properties (where you set your resolution).

People really do not understand that every executable file may change monitor resolution and refresh, regardless of what you have set in windows.

http://i47.tinypic.com/3493ubc.jpg
http://images37.foto...b5d0f47f4a7.png

This is missing in the graphics settings Hawken

Edited by KaszaWspraju, March 23 2013 - 10:11 AM.

[Morgenstern72]

I have a Philips 201B4. And like KaszaWspraju wrote, this has nothing to do with my windows settings. Actually I work with 1280x1024 but play most times at 1600x1200. It's a CRT: it does not have a default or fixed resolution (only a maximum resolution, which is 2048 x 1536, @ 72 Hz). And the lower the resolution is, the higher can the refresh rate be and the easyier it is for your eyes.

[Manoloco]

KaszaWspraju, on March 23 2013 - 10:05 AM, said:

Manoloco, on March 23 2013 - 09:11 AM, said:

What monitor do you have_, there should be drivers that let you set your monitor refresh rate on windows screen properties (where you set your resolution).

People really do not understand that every executable file may change monitor resolution and refresh, regardless of what you have set in windows.

http://i47.tinypic.com/3493ubc.jpg
http://images37.foto...b5d0f47f4a7.png

This is missing in the graphics settings Hawken

You can say it directly to me i dont mind, you can leave the rest of people alone.

But you are partially wrong and partially right, executables sometimes bypass W7 refresh rate, i do know and understand this, just forgot about it because the solution is very simple, you can force the refresh rates:


http://hardforum.com...d.php_t=1663033
https://forums.gefor...s-into-120-hz-/

edit: i used reforce in the xp days but that doesnt work on w7 the links i posted above have solutions for w7
edit2: Morgenstern72 you reminded me one of the reasons i prefer LCDs now, reading is a LOT more comfortable than on CRTs

Edited by Manoloco, March 23 2013 - 01:58 PM.

[Manoloco]

Im curious if you guys could fix this problem with the links provided, if not, for AMD users get RadeonPro, theres an option to force refresh rate.

[machmanx]

The reason I asked for your system specs is mainly to see if you have an Nvidia or AMD graphics card and to see which OS you were running.  Also I just run assessments to see if it's worth spending my time finding a fix depending on the specs.  I don't want to do work for someone who has a low-end system not even meant for playing this game.

I tried scouring the internet, but I found few resources that may or may not help your situation.  The CRT is just not cared about by newer games simply because it's obsolete technology.  Does it mean that the LCD is superior than the CRT in every regard_ No, but I'm simply stating the way things are, otherwise you wouldn't be asking for help.

The only things I found were ways to force custom resolutions for your desktop via the Nvidia control panel.  But it doesn't work for games. So I guess you could run the game in a borderless, windowed mode and that way the game will most likely obey the desktop refresh rate.  Another thing I found is messing around with the monitor's EDID via the ini config and removing all the 60hz, 70hz, 72hz, and 75hz refresh rates for THE Resolution you run the game at.  This way the game will have no choice but to use whatever it sees first and that will be the 85Hz.  BUT messing around with this could damage your CRT if you don't know what you're doing, which means if you force a higher refresh rate at a particular resolution that your monitor cannot handle, then trouble occurs.  Newbish, amateurish stuff but spelling mistakes can occur.

But here's the kicker: IF Hawken is forcing a particular refresh rate at the application level, then doing the above will HAVE NO EFFECT!  I doubt they are, but just sayin' it's a possibility.  Finally I have this forum in which people there are crazy about forcing 120Hz on their games.  So if they're forcing 120Hz, maybe they can help you force 85Hz.  But they go on a game-to-game basis, so I don't know if they can do their magic for Hawken.  Anyway, register there and ask your question.  Might as well since they're more expert in this department than anyone here.  Speaking of, the link:-

http://120hz.net/forum.php