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[TheVulong]

First of all, you should know that this is not your typical "wall-of-text" guide, this is a short overview of certain weapon loadouts' efficiency (in a scale from "awful" to "perfect") based on five parameters:

Close range combat/Face to face fight

Medium range combat  

Long range combat

Cover-using combat

Usage difficulty

I saw a lot of new players asking what mech is good at X and what is good at Y. So, if you're new to Hawken and you're looking for a mech that will fit your playstyle but you don't want to read tons of text, this thread will be your first step on the road to purchasing a new machine. Still, make sure to check Saturnine's guide to the classes as well.

Redox-O2 + Repair torch

Mounted on: TECHNICIAN

Close range combat/Face to face fight: bad
Medium range combat: awful
Long range combat: awful
Cover-using combat: awful
Usage difficulty: very easy

Hawkins-RPR + Repair torch

Mounted on: TECHNICIAN

Close range combat/Face to face fight: normal
Medium range combat: bad
Long range combat: awful
Cover-using combat: awful
Usage difficulty: very easy

Assault rifle + Grenade launcher

Mounted on: INFILTRATOR

Close range combat/Face to face fight: good
Medium range combat:  normal
Long range combat: awful
Cover-using combat: normal
Usage difficulty: easy

Submachine cannon + Grenade launcher

Mounted on: VANGUARD

Close range combat/Face to face fight: perfect
Medium range combat: bad
Long range combat: awful
Cover-using combat: normal
Usage difficulty: easy

Point-D Vulcan + Grenade launcher

Mounted on: GRENADIER, VANGUARD

Close range combat/Face to face fight: perfect
Medium range combat: bad
Long range combat: awful
Cover-using combat: bad
Usage difficulty: average

Mini Flak cannon + Grenade launcher

Mounted on: VANGUARD

Close range combat/Face to face fight: perfect
Medium range combat: bad
Long range combat: awful
Cover-using combat: normal
Usage difficulty: easy

Rev-GL + Grenade launcher

Mounted on: GRENADIER

Close range combat/Face to face fight: perfect
Medium range combat: normal
Long range combat: bad
Cover-using combat: normal
Usage difficulty: hard

Heat cannon + Grenade launcher

Mounted on: INFILTRATOR, GRENADIER

Close range combat/Face to face fight: normal
Medium range combat: normal
Long range combat: bad
Cover-using combat: good
Usage difficulty: very hard

EOC repeater + Grenade launcher

Mounted on: INFILTRATOR

Close range combat/Face to face fight: good
Medium range combat: normal
Long range combat: awful
Cover-using combat: perfect
Usage difficulty: hard

Assault rifle + TOW rocket launcher

Mounted on: BERSERKER, CR-T RECRUIT, ASSAULT

Close range combat/Face to face fight: good
Medium range combat: normal
Long range combat: bad
Cover-using combat: bad
Usage difficulty: easy

Submachine cannon  + TOW rocket launcher

Mounted on: BERSERKER, CR-T RECRUIT, ASSAULT

Close range combat/Face to face fight: perfect
Medium range combat: normal
Long range combat: awful
Cover-using combat: bad
Usage difficulty: easy

Point-D Vulcan  + TOW rocket launcher

Mounted on: BERSERKER, CR-T RECRUIT, ASSAULT, BRAWLER

Close range combat/Face to face fight: perfect
Medium range combat: bad
Long range combat: awful
Cover-using combat: bad
Usage difficulty: average

SA Hawkins  + TOW rocket launcher

Mounted on: BRAWLER

Close range combat/Face to face fight: good
Medium range combat: perfect
Long range combat: bad
Cover-using combat: bad
Usage difficulty: easy

Mini flak cannon  + TOW rocket launcher

Mounted on: SCOUT

Close range combat/Face to face fight: perfect
Medium range combat: normal
Long range combat: awful
Cover-using combat: bad
Usage difficulty: easy

Flak cannon  + TOW rocket launcher

Mounted on: SCOUT, BRAWLER

Close range combat/Face to face fight: perfect
Medium range combat: bad
Long range combat: awful
Cover-using combat: good
Usage difficulty: average

Heat cannon  + TOW rocket launcher

Mounted on: SCOUT

Close range combat/Face to face fight: normal
Medium range combat: good
Long range combat: bad
Cover-using combat: good
Usage difficulty: hard

AM-SAR  + KE-Sabot

Mounted on: REAPER

Close range combat/Face to face fight: bad
Medium range combat: perfect
Long range combat: good
Cover-using combat: bad
Usage difficulty: average

Hawkins-RPR  + KE-Sabot

Mounted on: REAPER

Close range combat/Face to face fight: normal
Medium range combat: good
Long range combat: normal
Cover-using combat: bad
Usage difficulty: easy

Slug rifle  + KE-Sabot

Mounted on: REAPER

Close range combat/Face to face fight: normal
Medium range combat: perfect
Long range combat: perfect
Cover-using combat: good
Usage difficulty: hard

Assault rifle + Hellfire missiles

Mounted on: BRUISER

Close range combat/Face to face fight: bad
Medium range combat: good
Long range combat: normal
Cover-using combat: normal
Usage difficulty: average

Submachine cannon  + Hellfire missiles

Mounted on: BRUISER

Close range combat/Face to face fight: normal
Medium range combat: normal
Long range combat: bad
Cover-using combat: normal
Usage difficulty: average

Point-D Vulcan  + Hellfire missiles

Mounted on: BRUISER

Close range combat/Face to face fight: normal
Medium range combat: normal
Long range combat: bad
Cover-using combat: normal
Usage difficulty: hard

Seeker  + Hellfire missiles

Mounted on: ROCKETEER

Close range combat/Face to face fight: bad
Medium range combat: perfect
Long range combat: normal
Cover-using combat: normal
Usage difficulty: average

Heat cannon  + Hellfire missiles

Mounted on: ROCKETEER

Close range combat/Face to face fight: bad

Medium range combat: good

Long range combat: normal

Cover-using combat: good

Usage difficulty: very hard

EOC repeater  + Hellfire missiles

Mounted on: ROCKETEER

Close range combat/Face to face fight: normal
Medium range combat: good
Long range combat: normal
Cover-using combat: perfect
Usage difficulty: hard

Reflak-35  + Corsair-KLA

Mounted on: RAIDER

Close range combat/Face to face fight: perfect
Medium range combat: bad
Long range combat: awful
Cover-using combat: normal
Usage difficulty: hard

T32-Bolt  + Corsair-KLA

Mounted on: RAIDER

Close range combat/Face to face fight: perfect
Medium range combat: bad
Long range combat: awful
Cover-using combat: normal
Usage difficulty: very hard

EOC repeater  + Corsair-KLA

Mounted on: RAIDER

Close range combat/Face to face fight: good
Medium range combat: good
Long range combat: bad
Cover-using combat: perfect
Usage difficulty: hard

SA Hawkins + Sabot rifle

Mounted on: SHARPSHOOTER

Close range combat/Face to face fight: normal
Medium range combat: perfect
Long range combat: good

Cover-using combat: normal

Usage difficulty: easy

AM-SAR + Sabot rifle

Mounted on: SHARPSHOOTER

Close range combat/Face to face fight: bad
Medium range combat: perfect
Long range combat: good

Cover-using combat: normal

Usage difficulty: average

Slug rifle + Sabot rifle

Mounted on: SHARPSHOOTER

Close range combat/Face to face fight: normal
Medium range combat: perfect
Long range combat: perfect

Cover-using combat: perfect

Usage difficulty: hard

The rest is coming soon.

Edited by TheVulong, August 06 2013 - 03:50 PM.

[Houruck]

Like the progress bars.

[Chancellor]

Edited by Chancellor, August 05 2013 - 01:50 PM.

[TheVulong]

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[Wondrz]

Very nice, like it alot, could get stickied at top if very good in a mod's perspective. Currently just playing LoL as Annie, Burst mage since i need a small break from hawken.

+1

[thatguythellama]

Y u no brawler

[Rasti]

Looks good to me.

Small things here and there that I'd slightly adjust, but besides those this seems all fitting very nicely.
Well done so far.

I wonder how you'll rate the SS, as it pretty much scores full points in everything besides difficulty imo (at least when piloted properly).

[Wondrz]

Chancellor, on August 05 2013 - 01:50 PM, said:

Hmmm maybe, maybe.......... LoL Much much betta than hawken, HAWKEN SUXS, JK

[ReachH]

much more informative than the in-game bars

[DeVact]

Very nice work Wooolong, but where's them C-classes_ Will there be an update_

[TheVulong]

DeVact, on August 06 2013 - 08:59 AM, said:

Very nice work Wooolong, but where's them C-classes_ Will there be an update_

Yup.

[TheVulong]

Ok, won't be able to finish everything right now so wait for a bit, guys.

[Preternatural]

Very nice. I feel like there should be a whole new "Beginners Guide" forum in the community, for threads like these.

Saturines post, combined with yours, would give all the newbies a very good idea of how to succeed in this game. Kudos to you Vulong.

[Flagge69]

I dont see the Point _.

is it like ...



sorry ^^ I know writing a guide like this takes much time

yawn ... when is this big patch coming again_

btw. I found a nice game for taking breaks from hawken
its called warframe ... and its the original dark.sector concept as a game that is structured like path.of.exile.



regards

[TheVulong]

Ok, i beated the forum's engine and finished the main piece of work. But the rest is still coming soon.

[Houruck]

Houruck, on August 05 2013 - 01:46 PM, said:

Like the progress bars.

Where did my bars go_

[Saturnine]

Almost forgot to - linked your guide in the other links section of mine. Very nice guide! Much easier to update as time goes on than mine, too.

[Steve_Deagler]

I probably would have listed SA Hawkins Brawler as Awful, Awful, Awful, Awful, and Very Hard, but that's just my experience with it lol.

[TheVulong]

Houruck, on August 06 2013 - 03:55 PM, said:

Houruck, on August 05 2013 - 01:46 PM, said:

Like the progress bars.

Where did my bars go_

Sorry, Houruck, forum engine ate them

Saturnine, on August 06 2013 - 04:15 PM, said:

Almost forgot to - linked your guide in the other links section of mine. Very nice guide! Much easier to update as time goes on than mine, too.

Thanks, Saturnine, i appreciate your support. There are some things need to be added, though, so i hope/think it will get better when i'm done.

Steve_Deagler, on August 06 2013 - 04:56 PM, said:

I probably would have listed SA Hawkins Brawler as Awful, Awful, Awful, Awful, and Very Hard, but that's just my experience with it lol.

You underestimate the power of SA Hawkins   Actually, everyone do for some reason. Maybe because it's too ping-sensetive due to "fast but slow" rate of fire. But the in fact, SA Hawkins is like Assault Rifle but more accurate and with smaller maximum spread which makes it devastating in medium range combat.

[davek1979]

Saying that Reaper is BAD at close range combat/face to face with AM-SAR is something I can't agree with. Slug is much worse to aim in CQC due to its reload time and the constant dodging.