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[maross]

To simple things further:

"Can each section be solved individually_ for example, if you had given us only "AtizenegyGQU" would that section be solvable alone with the key, or would it need the whole thing_"

Yes, it can be solved individually.

[Hyginos]

I think that makes more sense. Essentially we need to find an operation that, when applied to Ketto, produces 2, then apply it to the the string of characters we were given.

Number of syllables didn't seem to work, but I don't speak the language, so its hard to say if I got those right.

[Zaxik]

So...


"kettő" isn't the key
"2" isn't the key

"kettő = 2" is the key


The key can be applied to both
this: AtizenegyGQU-MnegyvenötNötvenegyH-XWQLE-MhatvanPRQ-LQhatvanhárom,százhetvennégyD
and this: AtizenegyGQU

If the key means that "kettő" can be translated to "2" in a different way than language, which way is it_
Count of "t"s_ Nope.
Count of syllables_ Nope
Count of vowels_ Nope
Position of "t" counting from zero_ Nope

Length of kettő is 5, can't be divided by two.
Length of "kettő = 2" is 9, can't be divided by two and is longer than for example "hatvan", which is only 6 chars long. So it doesn't seem to be some kind of positional puzzle either.

"K" is 11th letter in alphabet:
k=11
e=5
t=20
t=20
o=15
-------
sum=71

Just another dead end.


I'm gonna have to ask this:
If "kettő = 2" is the key, can the key also be "ketto = 2" (without those things above "o")_ And what about "kettő:2" (removed spaces and replaced "=" with ":")_ Would that still be a valid key_

EDIT: Also probably wouldnt hurt if we can get together as many used codes as possible, since the code probably has some rules as well. For example I think that you can't find 0 (zero) in the code, because it can easily be mistaken for O ("o"). Also I don't remember seeing any code with 6 numbers in it.

Edited by Zaxik, February 08 2014 - 03:18 AM.

[maross]

"If "kettő = 2" is the key, can the key also be "ketto = 2" (without those things above "o")_ And what about "kettő:2" (removed spaces and replaced "=" with ":")_ Would that still be a valid key_"

"ketto = 2" is still a valid key. You had some good ideas, im happy that you forgot the text file and given some thinking instead .

[Zaxik]

Damn I hate how you only answer the easier questions It's third day and I still don't feel much closer to solving this...

I especially can't wrap my head around this statement:
"I can tell you one thing: if you find the solution, you will know
that this one will be it. You don't even have to try it,
you would bet money on it blindly."

Kinda makes me feel that it's some cypher you would recognize immediately if you had some previous experience with the same kind... now should I waste my time searching for most common cyphers and learn them_

I sure as hell know that I won't blindly bet money on anything I come up with. Unless I knew for sure what I'm doing, unless I knew the cypher and had previous experiences with the same kind. Which I probably don't. Anything I come up with has equal chance to be the solution and the chance is verrrrrrry close to zero.

EDIT: Just wondering...
If the first part of the code was
AkettoGQU
then the solution to that will be
A2GQU
Right_ Or am I again being completely off_

EDIT2: If every word converts to number and none of them is two or zero and they're all different, then I get about 20000 different combinations gimme a year or two to try them all out

Edited by Zaxik, February 08 2014 - 07:38 AM.

[maross]

"I can tell you one thing: if you find the solution, you will know
that this one will be it. You don't even have to try it,
you would bet money on it blindly."

Okay, i have to admit, i might have overrated this a bit, as there vere many viable ideas with "this will be it" feeling . But still, the textfile-deadwrong thing is valid .

[Zaxik]

Got it!

A3GQU-M4N4H-XWQLE-M2PRQ-LQ45D

But forgot how I got it exactly.. dammit.. err.. not even sure if it was this code.. cuz I started editing it before I noticed there is no longer a red cross next to the textfield and noticed I got MC I believe It had something to do with counting letters that are contained in the key, lol...

Great puzzle, lol! Thanks man!

Edited by Zaxik, February 08 2014 - 10:21 AM.

[maross]

lol well, that was easy, you solved it without knowing what you are doing

[Fazel]

So is that the real code_ Cause i really don't undestand how you solved the enigma, even having the solution in front of me xD

[maross]

now that you know what the real code is...someone ps would be so kind to do some reverse engineering and decipher it_

[Zaxik]

I believe it was either:

aeiouy = 6
ketto = eo = 2


tizenegy = ieey = 4
negyvenot = eyeo = 4
otvenegy = oeey = 4
hatvan = aa = 2
hatvanharom = aaao = 4
szazhetvennegy = aeeey = 5

or:

ketto
k=1
e=1
t=1
o=1

tizenegy = tee = 3
negyvenot = eeot = 4
otvenegy = otee = 4
hatvan = t = 1
hatvanharom = to = 2
szazhetvennegy = etee = 4

That code I posted is probably wrong, as I said, I messed with it before I noticed I succeeded.
Also I'm more in favor of the first solution, cuz the second doesn't need the "2" part. I believe though I was trying the first solution before and it didn't work, but I guess I was so burnt out that I probably overlooked one letter and made a mistake or something like that...

In the end, it really was quite simple. It's really hard to not overthink it.

Edited by Zaxik, February 08 2014 - 11:51 AM.

[maross]

"In the end, it really was quite simple"

Indeed, it is.

"It's really hard to not overthink it. "

You did overthink it . Also, you missed the point. The solution can be phrased in a short sentence, without any special numbers or letters or equations.

[Zaxik]

Math and equations work worldwide, I'm not gonna search for the correct words to form a meaningful and understandable sentence, my english sucks

[matthasaproblem]

Man, that was pretty devious.  Nice going Zaxik.

[Fazel]

Zaxik, on February 08 2014 - 11:49 AM, said:

I believe it was either:

aeiouy = 6
ketto = eo = 2


tizenegy = ieey = 4
negyvenot = eyeo = 4
otvenegy = oeey = 4
hatvan = aa = 2
hatvanharom = aaao = 4
szazhetvennegy = aeeey = 5

or:

ketto
k=1
e=1
t=1
o=1

tizenegy = tee = 3
negyvenot = eeot = 4
otvenegy = otee = 4
hatvan = t = 1
hatvanharom = to = 2
szazhetvennegy = etee = 4

That code I posted is probably wrong, as I said, I messed with it before I noticed I succeeded.
Also I'm more in favor of the first solution, cuz the second doesn't need the "2" part. I believe though I was trying the first solution before and it didn't work, but I guess I was so burnt out that I probably overlooked one letter and made a mistake or something like that...

In the end, it really was quite simple. It's really hard to not overthink it.

It can't be the first one cause i already tried a couple days ago that solution and it didn't worked

[Zaxik]

Yeah honestly it could've been anything, these two are the only ones I recall trying before my brain got completely consumed by the excitement and huge relief that I felt when I noticed that green check mark next to input field. It was after I modified it though and I dunno if I pressed Ctrl+Z enough times. I wish I used my txt file

[maross]

I'm kinda sad that nobody is interested in a less complicated, simple explanation, but accepts the presented "solution", which to be honest is not beautiful, as it needs a lot of non-logical mechanic tries. The puzzles soul is lost, rip.

Edited by maross, February 08 2014 - 03:12 PM.

[Fazel]

maross, on February 08 2014 - 03:11 PM, said:

I'm kinda sad that nobody is interested in a less complicated, simple explanation, but accepts the presented "solution", which to be honest is not beautiful, as it needs a lot of non-logical mechanic tries. The puzzles soul is lost, rip.

If you'll simply say "that's not the solution, but the result is right" i'll still try to reverse engineer that code^^
It's normal prople presented with a working solution and a result stop working on the enigma. Would you waste your time destroying a puzzle after you completed it, to try again and find a different disposition_

Edited by Fazel, February 08 2014 - 03:31 PM.

[Zaxik]

Honestly, such puzzle with "ketto = 2" being the only clue requires alot of mechanical trying. Hell, I'm gonna admit I even tried using a script to dump all possible codes with conditions like:
hatvanharom > hatvan
all numbers unique
none is 2 (cuz ketto is 2)
none is zero (cuz "0" vs "O")
last is largest
...
etc
and if the script output was less than 100 codes, I simply mechanically tried copy&pasting them all one by one...

I really tried absolutely EVERYTHING I could think of. You, as the author of the puzzle, might find the solution obvious, but I really had absolutely no idea what I was supposed to do. And when you don't know, you just try it all. Something might eventually work...

BTW the soul of the puzzle isn't broken completely, you said "time for some serious brain damage", well, that worked...

Edited by Zaxik, February 08 2014 - 04:16 PM.

[DennisKnightPC]

so what was the actual solution that should have been used_ I'm extremely curious