22 replies to this topic

[Xacius]

Originally, I had planned to make the league a 5v5 as opposed to a 6v6 to encourage more teams to join up and make some of the maps feel a little less cluttered.  Given that most of the dedicated teams are composed of 6 players or more, I think it's time to re-assess that decision.  Please vote on your preferred choice of team size for the TPG League.  

This poll will not be the sole deciding factor for the league's team size, but it may give me a clearer picture as to what's ultimately desired by the community and participating players.

Edited by Xacius, April 14 2014 - 10:55 PM.

[Akrium]

Just some of my opinions as to why I voted 6v6.

1) you can say maps are cluttered and the maps don't play well.. but until you can honestly show it. It is meaningless. Mass league play is a GREAT way to get results, positive and negative. And sometimes results you expect don't actually happen.

2) the game is designed around 6v6... Again, if something is broke.. you can't just say it is. You need to show it is. This includes items/internals/mechs and the combinations of all of them.

3) the more players you have the more important a good strat plays over single player skill. Far more interesting to watch for games that ARE team games at heart.

Granted it does have it's cons as well. But I think, for the most part, that the positives outweigh the possible cons right now.

[FuryMonster]

Well said akrium. Speaking from first hand experience though several of the scrims we've done, not many maps are handling 6v6 well atm . Because of this we see the cluster fuhx and team collisions that nobody enjoys.

The best maps for 6v6 atm for Wreckage hands down and the runner up being Frontline.
On the other hand the rest of the maps work quite well for 5v5.

the 2 exceptions of poor maps being bunker / last eco, I think these maps are just way too open to have an strategy involved in them its mostly a zergy snowball effect.

Edited by FuryMonster, April 14 2014 - 11:55 PM.

[EliteShooter]

I'll go with 5v5 because with less numbers, the play will be sounder and each death will cost the team a lot resulting in players playing safer and thinking before doing anything.

And also, it's better for teams who can't get too much players to sign up, as in teams with 6 players (like mine), a player might not be able to join a certain game, and the 6th man can play instead of him.

[AsianJoyKiller]

I think 5s work better, especially on the smaller maps (it would help if map sizes were a bit more consistent), but 6s definitely have advantages to others. Of course, I think too few on larger maps is better than too many people clustering, running into each other and the general messiness that happens.

Just a bit of a sidenote thought, not really relevant.
The odd numbers are also interesting to me from a tactical standpoint. If you split forces, you'll always have uneven strength between the groups. That means constantly making decisions about where your team's strength lies and needs to be sent. Of course, how important that is depends on the gamemode, and for TDM stuff, it's not going to be that big a deal, especially given the prevalence for sticking in one large group these days.

Despite my preference for 5s, I wouldn't mind seeing it be 6s. Good way to test if that really works out under non-scrim conditions, when there's a lot more tension. It changes peoples perspective some times.

[EliteShooter]

AJK, would you mind if I ask: I see you're discussing most of the topics about TPG, but I can't see you in any of the rosters. Don't you have interest in joining or are you planning to join later _

[Nept]

Prefer 6's myself, having played both in numerous scrims.

[FakeName]

1v1s!

[AsianJoyKiller]

EliteShooter, on April 15 2014 - 12:49 AM, said:

AJK, would you mind if I ask: I see you're discussing most of the topics about TPG, but I can't see you in any of the rosters. Don't you have interest in joining or are you planning to join later _

Not joinng for multiple reasons. Too lazy (getting a team and practicing takes work). I don't think Hawken's current mechanics are good enough to bother with comp play. I don't think the format is particularly interesting (TDM with Hawken's system is not great for comp play).

But mostly I'm just too busy. I haven't even been able to play any game for about a week. I never know when I might be free to practice or if I'll have a huge project when tourny comes. There are weeks where I'm up for days at a time, painting while I eat, or napping during lunch breaks. I would make for an unpredictable and hard-to-rely-on teammate, which would mean I would be a bad teammate.

[EliteShooter]

AsianJoyKiller, on April 15 2014 - 03:07 AM, said:

(TDM with Hawken's system is not great for comp play).

I actually agree on this, as in TDM, better killers win: less strategy. And I'm sure Siege is the best mode for a competitive league. But ashfire said that probably in season 2, it will siege games, which is actually pretty cool.

Not sure if it can change for the current one, as I'm not sure if other team leaders prefer Siege instead of TDM.

[LEmental]

More opportunities to play and more interesting team comps.

[EliteShooter]

FakeName, on April 15 2014 - 02:55 AM, said:

1v1s!

This is not helping anyone, if you don't like the RULES PACKED league then don't talk about unrelated things in a topic related to it ... come on man ... lol


Edit: that answer, not helping either ...

Edited by EliteShooter, April 15 2014 - 06:41 AM.

[FakeName]

EliteShooter, on April 15 2014 - 04:04 AM, said:

FakeName, on April 15 2014 - 02:55 AM, said:

1v1s!

This is not helping anyone, if you don't like the RULES PACKED league then don't talk about unrelated things in a topic related to it ... come on man ... lol

...

1v1s!

[Leonhardt]

I have always found 6's to be more interesting. Haven't really had the issues that are generally discussed when it comes to 6v6 except on certain maps that have real design flaws like uptown.

[Estif]

6 vs 6, the squad match is designed in that way, besides, most of the teams will allways practice on 6 people teams.

BTW. I hope you can help me, I already signed up to the TPG,and created an organization, a team, etc. but none of my team mates can see my team on the list when they want to join. is this some kind of error, or the team must be accepted first by admins_.

[craftydus]

I would be happy either way.
6 is what I've been playing with DoD for years.
It's cousin CS has always been 5, and that, although not a class-based game, shares many of the same maps well.
Having to choose I went 6, in the spirit of letting it run default for simplicity's sake. But I don't have a strong predilection for it.

[killerskull]

I thing is better the 6vs6.... in hawken is that way at least. and thats is what are we playing no_

[CANCORT]

yea 6vs6 is cool

[Xacius]

Thanks for replying, everyone.  I think I have an idea for what to do.  I'm going to use the pre-season to test both 6v6's and 5v5's.  Here's how it's going to go:

Week 1: 6v6's.  
Week 2: 5v5's.

Start of week 3: Take votes from all participants.  Majority rule will determine 6v6 or 5v5 for the main season and finals.

Edited by Xacius, April 17 2014 - 04:13 PM.

[IareDave]

I've found 6v6s to be the most entertaining and strategic