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[FluxX]

Just seen the internals which offered 100% stat boosts in the last open beta, now offer a draw back as well. This means there is some balance in play and mech choices. It also means a new player has a more balanced role even compared to a more advanced player. So while new players still have to gain levels, they are not necessarily "useless" to a team compared to someone with max internals and upgrades. As even with upgrades, some other stats are subjects to change. So players will have to use their skills to play better. With the more advanced mechs only affording different types of play, and not necessarily "better" types of play.

So a big thanks for actually tackling this balance issue. +1 for effort and good intentions on your Score Card Meteor and Hawken Dev Team!

[F15H3R]

Agreed.  Pretty happy with the way things are turning out.

[Entity]

I'm not entirely happy with the fact that the internals and optimizations barely making a difference now (if any at all).

Oh yay. I get 1% less heat (after dumping 3 points) or +0.9% armor. That's a whopping 6 hitpoints! Woo! Go me!

Yes I understand that these buffs can't be too strong because it'd make the gap between new players and maxed out ones way too big, etc etc.

However, too weak bonuses and you make me wonder why I should bother leveling up.
At least in CBE2 you could actually feel the difference of most of the optimizations, but now it seems they were nerfed into the ground.
What's the incentive to level up for maybe 1 to 2% better overall performance_ It's certainly making it less appealing to spend money on XP boosters

[GunsnButter]

Leveling up is something akin to League of Legends: The leveling up is not the actual experience. Reaching max level and having all of your options available is where the game really is. That's where it gets fun.

edit: When you start combining all of the optimizations together they can tip the balance of your fighting style in subtle ways. Learning how those work is one of the things that makes this game awesome.

Edited by GunsnButter, November 20 2012 - 01:48 PM.

[Dread_Lord_Pitr]

Entity, on November 20 2012 - 01:44 PM, said:

I'm not entirely happy with the fact that the internals and optimizations barely making a difference now (if any at all).

Oh yay. I get 1% less heat (after dumping 3 points) or +0.9% armor. That's a whopping 6 hitpoints! Woo! Go me!

Yes I understand that these buffs can't be too strong because it'd make the gap between new players and maxed out ones way too big, etc etc.

However, too weak bonuses and you make me wonder why I should bother leveling up.
At least in CBE2 you could actually feel the difference of most of the optimizations, but now it seems they were nerfed into the ground.
What's the incentive to level up for maybe 1 to 2% better overall performance_ It's certainly making it less appealing to spend money on XP boosters

This, exactly this.
Hell, right now i can't even spend my meteor credits if i wanted to.
Shop keeps telling me insufficient funds.
Not that it matters, because anything i'd buy would do as much harm as it would do good, with some items fully negating the use of others.
Not to mention the balance in the game is now utterly gone; i can try as much as i want, my sharpshooter cannot take down an Assault anymore, no matter how well i dodge and use my damage amp.
Only time i stand a chance is at extreme distance when camping.
And if i stand still too long I GET KICKED FROM THE GAME !

And let's not get started on the bands of Bruisers and Rocketeers STEAMROLLING THE GAME.

This does not bode well for this game for me, i've only played about 20 minutes and already i'm so few up with this current system that i'm contemplating asking for a refund on my Vanguard package, because this just isn't fun at all.

Edited by Dread_Lord_Pitr, November 20 2012 - 01:59 PM.

[c0mad0r]

I've only played 3 games so far, but comparing and contrasting with all games played since Alpha1 I can say that it feels FAR more balanced than previous iterations.

Thank you everyone @ Meteor and Adhesive for working to make the game balanced!

[FluxX]

Entity, on November 20 2012 - 01:44 PM, said:

I'm not entirely happy with the fact that the internals and optimizations barely making a difference now (if any at all).

Oh yay. I get 1% less heat (after dumping 3 points) or +0.9% armor. That's a whopping 6 hitpoints! Woo! Go me!

Yes I understand that these buffs can't be too strong because it'd make the gap between new players and maxed out ones way too big, etc etc.

However, too weak bonuses and you make me wonder why I should bother leveling up.
At least in CBE2 you could actually feel the difference of most of the optimizations, but now it seems they were nerfed into the ground.
What's the incentive to level up for maybe 1 to 2% better overall performance_ It's certainly making it less appealing to spend money on XP boosters

I'd not checked the percentages on the stats. I'm happy if the team changes them back to the previous beta for the levels, but it shows they are thinking straight to add minuses too.

PS, no particular mech seems to be OP in the 2 hours I played. Snipers can own, bruisers can own (WOW, they fixed class c_ They are awesome now! ), scouts own too even though they are week. Oh, I'll give assault a go too, if it has the same cooldown powerup, it will still be a great mech even as a default option.

Edited by FluxX, November 20 2012 - 02:29 PM.

[Dread_Lord_Pitr]

FluxX, on November 20 2012 - 02:27 PM, said:

Entity, on November 20 2012 - 01:44 PM, said:

I'm not entirely happy with the fact that the internals and optimizations barely making a difference now (if any at all).

Oh yay. I get 1% less heat (after dumping 3 points) or +0.9% armor. That's a whopping 6 hitpoints! Woo! Go me!

Yes I understand that these buffs can't be too strong because it'd make the gap between new players and maxed out ones way too big, etc etc.

However, too weak bonuses and you make me wonder why I should bother leveling up.
At least in CBE2 you could actually feel the difference of most of the optimizations, but now it seems they were nerfed into the ground.
What's the incentive to level up for maybe 1 to 2% better overall performance_ It's certainly making it less appealing to spend money on XP boosters

I'd not checked the percentages on the stats. I'm happy if the team changes them back to the previous beta for the levels, but it shows they are thinking straight to add minuses too.

You call half the items fully (or almost fully) cancelling each other's perks out 'thinking straight' _
I'd call that a major design flaw.

[FenixStryk]

The CBE3 internal / optimization changes are... interesting. It wasn't immediately obvious what the best combination is this time around, and their overall effect doesn't seem as potent numbers-wise. I need to check the weapons numbers before I say anything beyond that, but the changes (or at the very least, the intention) seems to be an improvement.

[c0mad0r]

FenixStryk, on November 20 2012 - 02:32 PM, said:

The CBE3 internal / optimization changes are... interesting. It wasn't immediately obvious what the best combination is this time around, and their overall effect doesn't seem as potent numbers-wise. I need to check the weapons numbers before I say anything beyond that, but the changes (or at the very least, the intention) seems to be an improvement.

There is a lot more study required to figure it out now, but I get the feeling that we will need to match our internal and optimizations with one another to see any substantial changes... E.G. : Buying the heatsinks and optimizing for OH too... Buying -6% damage and optimizing in defense, etc.

[Saunders]

Hey guys, thanks for the feedback.

We're redoing the way player progression, optimizations, and internals work.  In order to avoid throwing off the balance for closed beta we reduced the effectiveness of a number of items on a temporary basis.  This will be changed soon (and might even be changed during the closed beta, but I can't promise anything).

Please see this post regarding our player progression plans (about 1/2 way down):  http://community.pla...-kill-the-game/

In terms of weapons, you may notice balance numbers change over the course of the closed beta; the reason we're having these beta tests is for testing things like this, so thank you for your help with all this

If you think a class is over or underpowered, let us know!  We'll also be looking at a ton of data from these tests to help balance as well.  Our internal tests haven't shown any one loadout or mech to be overpowered or underpowered, but we'd love to know your thoughts.  Yes the mechs play slightly differently, so don't be afraid to try new things!

Thanks again!

[Turic]

Dread_Lord_Pitr, on November 20 2012 - 01:57 PM, said:

my sharpshooter cannot take down an Assault anymore, no matter how well i dodge and use my damage amp.

lol. really, very fun) this game is not for you.

and thank to devs. game is great.

Edited by Turic, November 20 2012 - 02:58 PM.

[Entity]

Saunders, on November 20 2012 - 02:53 PM, said:

We're redoing the way player progression, optimizations, and internals work.  In order to avoid throwing off the balance for closed beta we reduced the effectiveness of a number of items on a temporary basis.

*powers down his guns*

Okay, I'll wait for the changes then. Thanks for the explanation.

[Decoy101x]

c0mad0r, on November 20 2012 - 02:21 PM, said:

I've only played 3 games so far, but comparing and contrasting with all games played since Alpha1 I can say that it feels FAR more balanced than previous iterations.

Thank you everyone @ Meteor and Adhesive for working to make the game balanced!

this

[Dread_Lord_Pitr]

Turic, on November 20 2012 - 02:57 PM, said:

Dread_Lord_Pitr, on November 20 2012 - 01:57 PM, said:

my sharpshooter cannot take down an Assault anymore, no matter how well i dodge and use my damage amp.

lol. really, very fun) this game is not for you.

Quote from http://community.pla...lug-rifle-nerf/ :

Dread_Lord_Pitr, on November 20 2012 - 02:08 PM, said:

I could take out an Assault with my Sharpshooter before, even with no upgrades bought and my skill tree unused.
As of my last match i got taken out 5 times by an Assault at mid range, even with my damage amp on i couldn't take them down, even though i was at full health and the Assaults were not.

So much for the game not being for me

Edited by Dread_Lord_Pitr, November 20 2012 - 03:25 PM.