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[Liederkranz]

Straight to the point:

 

The first change is actually a... rollback? to the way Pred used to behave when dodging while cloaked. I'm talking about losing the cloak during a dodge. This was changed some time ago, the Pred used to keep the cloak while dodging, thus being able to move a little faster undetected by radar. I know that they also increased the walking speed while cloaked to balance it. I'm not actually requesting it to be rolled back. I think it would be better that way but I wanna know what do you guys think about leaving it the way it was?: no uncloaking while dodging, and original walking speed.

 

The second change involves the EOC Predator mines. We all know that when hit by someone, the radar highlights the mech who is attacking us. I think that this mechanics are ok, but in the case of the predator, if you lay some trap and an enemy steps on it, it gives your position away blowing your cover. Same as the above: I want to know what do you think of removing the "position giveaway" at least for the EOC Predator weapon.

[Elite_is_salty]

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[SparkyJJC]

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[DerMax]

The only thing the Pred needs changed is how its EOC-P mines are sometimes indestructible. That needs to go. Other than that it's in a good spot.

[KilleR_OrigiNs]

Redacted.

Edited by KilleR_OrigiNs, 30 April 2015 - 09:58 PM.

[stinkinglamb44]

If you want the indicator to indicate where the damage is coming from, it would mess us splash weapons, so maybe it should just have a general damage alert but not direction specific

[m0bieduck]

Straight to the point:
 
The first change is actually a... rollback? to the way Pred used to behave when dodging while cloaked. I'm talking about losing the cloak during a dodge. This was changed some time ago, the Pred used to keep the cloak while dodging, thus being able to move a little faster undetected by radar. I know that they also increased the walking speed while cloaked to balance it. I'm not actually requesting it to be rolled back. I think it would be better that way but I wanna know what do you guys think about leaving it the way it was?: no uncloaking while dodging, and original walking speed.
 

That was a bug. It made the pred extremely good and had to be removed, and caused a immense surge in the popularity in the pred, and developed a new technique for playing it

[Liederkranz]

A compromise between the old and new may be beneficial; the Predator is able to dodge while not breaking cloak, but is highlighted on the mini-map, their cloak is made more obvious, and the dodges use a larger amount of fuel than when they are uncloaked.

The idea of making traps any more dangerous is something I frown upon. They're already capable of destroying a damaged A class mech in one hit, instead, a change to make the EOC-P more dangerous in CQC would be beneficial, or no change at all as the EOC-P is still very viable with training.

 

Full thoughts.

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I do like the original movement scheme. The ability to dodge out of the way of a stray bullet here and there without popping up in front of an enemy was very useful, but I also enjoy the new movement scheme, where I'm able to walk  more quickly between one location and another with a lesser need to boost.

Perhaps for that idea, a compromise would be beneficial: the Predator would be able to dodge and not loose it's cloak, but it would still appear on radar. This would, once the cloak is made less obvious, also make the cloak more visible. The same would be said for a moving Predator versus a still one, and so forth.

 

It would also be unfair to make this change without limiting it in some way. Thus, increase the fuel consumption of the mech vastly when it is dodging in cloak. That will limit the possible abuse of speed/dodge combos.

The key thing there is that the dodge would still high-light you on the map.

 

As for the second idea, I'm hesitant to make the traps more powerful. They're often overused by newer Predators, and become a crutch for them to begin spamming EOC Repeater mines and EOC Predator mines at the same time.

Instead, consider changes that would make the EOC-P more optimal in CQC. As it stands, the weapon is fine in my opinion.

 

^^^ This could work! I like the idea of highlighting position in radar when dodging and not losing the cloak. So far the dodging doesn't consume fuel in any circumstances when on the ground but perhaps we could make the pred lose some fuel when dodging cloaked.

 

 

If you want the indicator to indicate where the damage is coming from, it would mess us splash weapons, so maybe it should just have a general damage alert but not direction specific

 

I don't want the indicator to indicate where the damage is coming from, that's what I was saying. Right now you can tell where are you being shot from in every situation. What I suggest is that ONLY in the case of the Eoc-P that indicator doesn't show up.

 

 

That was a bug. It made the pred extremely good and had to be removed, and caused a immense surge in the popularity in the pred, and developed a new technique for playing it

 

I didn't know it was a bug. :/

Edited by Liederkranz, 22 April 2015 - 05:31 PM.

[Lightangel112]

Yes it was a good bug while it lasted, personally for me I would suggest, that the EOC P did more dmg for direct hits to a triggered detonation. I can actually use the pucks to hit ppl with while in combat, but does weak dmg, traps being triggered same 480 total dmg potential but for an actual direct hit I'd say at least 80 dmg and 60 dmg for an indirect hit. So it's either a case of 80 x 6 pucks = 480 per puck or keep 60 x 8 pucks = 480 but direct hits now give off 80 dmg instead for actually using skills rather than blind/dumb luck/ trigger happy. Also removing radar signature when firing the EOC P as well would be really good (especially when laying traps) because it would make the opponent more anxious to hear (or no audible sound :P) the pucks being fired but can't locate the origin of the signal would be very advantage :).

Edited by Lightangel112, 24 April 2015 - 03:48 AM.

[Liederkranz]

Also removing radar signature when firing the EOC P as well would be really good (especially when laying traps) because it would make the opponent more anxious to hear (or no audible sound :P) the pucks being fired but can't locate the origin of the signal would be very advantage :).

 

I was actually referring to the radar signature showing the position of the enemy pred when you get hit / step on an EOC-P mine laid by him. But the fact of removing the radar signature of the pred firing the weapon is also a good idea, I hadn't considered it!