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[SNAAAAAKE]

Hawken launched on console a while ago and I wanted to see if anyone was a stunned as I was at how bad it is. Hawken plays pretty well on PC with a Dual Shock 4, so I was excited to play new console players and be king of the PS4 ant hill. Little did I know, the console versions were going to be trash fires. Sub 30 Frame rate and horribly laggy movement, (due to optimization or connectivity, i dont know).

 

To those of you who think this doesn't effect the PC community just imagine all the the prospective money cows the devs could have milked if they didn't rush this garbage out on the PS store. 40 million PS4 Users, 20 million on Xbone, and Hawken is free. All that support and good will tanked before they could even develop any. Gestating development for years on a platform obviously went so well for the last devs. So learning from history, they do the same thing on 2 new platforms instead, before the PC version has even been changed in any meaningful ways?

 

I love this game, I've spent a lot of money supporting it. Now i'm afraid they've driven that final nail in the coffin in a petty cash grab.

[_incitatus]

Ok.

[6ixxer]

Dev team would have been given a deadline for console by the people who signed the deal to take Hawken from MTR/ADH.

 

The Devs have probably been working their butts off to meet this, so consider cutting them some slack. They have posted that they have been working on console performance, etc.

 

The Devs want Hawken to succeed, but may have to work hard to justify development costs vs returns. RLD are a business, and Free isn't really Free.

 

As much as you complain about the way things are handled, it probably won't get back to the level that made the call in the first place.

[Silverfire]

Kinda weird how forum moderation changed drastically, developers became far more heavy handed towards the existing community, support tickets began to go unnoticed, hackers became bold again, stupid ass ideas like making every new mech dual wielding, may have happened around the time 505 Games became a publisher.

[LaurenEmily]

It's too late. Enjoy it while it lasts it'll be gone soon

[dorobo]

[Aelita]

It's too late. Enjoy it while it lasts it'll be gone soon

 

 

It is basically gone already. Last couple of month the servers went unplayable. Cheaters and much more feeders ruining the game for the rest that is here and now i can�t even get onto a server. We have been warned about that company but loved that game too much to believe it.

 

Just feel sorry for all those investing time to promote the game, trying to help getting rid of cheaters, trying to make the community work and so on.

 

 

EDIT: right now, there is only ONE TDM server available opn EU.....

 

EDIT: right now its ZERO TDM servers running

Edited by Aelita, 29 August 2016 - 03:44 PM.

[Brother3J]

Game development takes time, money and patience.  Keep in mind, this game was dead. Its not off life support yet, but work is being done on it.  Reloaded, has to take care of the consoles, in order, to make the game some money.  Are they going about it in the best way? Maybe not but they're at least making an attempt. Reloaded has stated many times that they wish to leave the PC version as is for now and port over the optimization changes they are working on.

 

I get the frustration of the game not being the way you want it.  I  think doom and gloom post about, how the devs are killing the game, their lack of creativity, the order in which they fix issues, only adds pointless negativity.  Go play something else for a while, check back in next summer,  don't stress or feel like you lost something because the game doesn't meet your timetable.  

 

Hawken is unique and a great game. If Reloaded was to quit the game completely I am sure it would be picked up by another company pretty fast.  

 

Everything will be fine....or not just have to wait and see...

 

Cheers

[Aelita]

i like what you write but its NOT about what I like, in that case we would need to go way back into the past, when Hawken was really something on its own.

[hellc9943]

Ok. 

Edited by hellc9943, 29 August 2016 - 10:21 AM.

[coldform]

[Arkhaun]

[ATX22]

Kinda weird how forum moderation changed drastically, developers became far more heavy handed towards the existing community, support tickets began to go unnoticed, hackers became bold again, stupid ass ideas like making every new mech dual wielding, may have happened around the time 505 Games became a publisher.

 

Community trying to get Dev's attention?

 

[dorobo]

[ATX22]

 I see wut you did ther.

[DieselCat]

The players are dwindling more than ever on the PC and numbers are also falling on the consoles....But even the people that visit this forum is getting fewer and fewer....I hope these devs get their act moving soon or this will all be a distant memory.....sad ! 

[ATX22]

The players are dwindling more than ever on the PC and numbers are also falling on the consoles....But even the people that visit this forum is getting fewer and fewer....I hope these devs get their act moving soon or this will all be a distant memory.....sad ! 

 

Maybe everyone is taking a break while Reloaded keeps releasing non-news and little to no content, just doing other things while waiting to see if what Reloaded delivers is worth all this waiting.

 

 

 

hmm.. 

[Brother3J]

Right now it doesn't matter how many play the game.  Until Reloaded is done, with its development goals, I doubt very much that income from the game is funding the project.  The real test comes when the PC version re- re- re- launches that seems to be the crucial time.  I imagine that, when the PC relaunch happens, with private servers, clan support, spectator mode, anti-cheat, and community events Hawken PC will have a renaissance of sorts.  

 

Too early to go doom and gloom on the game.  Just have to wait and see. 

[Pandabaron]

I think it does matter how many players play the game, I booted up Hawken at 10pm yesterday, and there was a single siege game going in Europe. Similar eventualities have meant I haven't played hawken for days even though I've wanted to. This already is my doom and gloom. Never thought I'd say it, but these may be the end times.

Also, as always, release white as a paint scheme, nerf the tech's scoring slightly and release any content one can buy. Thanks.

[DieselCat]

Maybe everyone is taking a break while Reloaded keeps releasing non-news and little to no content, just doing other things while waiting to see if what Reloaded delivers is worth all this waiting.

 

 

 

hmm.. 

 

I hope that's the case...but PC players have been waiting on Reloaded since Jan/Mar 2015 when they officially took over Hawken. All that work they were leading this community to believe, in was in fact,  for the consoles with little to nothing being done on the PC. (Backend work, servers ?)

Since they finally released their real intention back in June,  here we are still waiting for something to be done here.....and no word yet on when and what will happen.

In the meantime the player pop continues to fall. The busiest times seem to be weekends around midday to early evening (NA servers) ...as I write this there are currently ;

PC - 130 / 22

Xbox - 326 / 60

PS4 - 511 / 94

 

That's most likely peak, those are really sad numbers....I feel time is running short. Having said that, going to play some Hawken now while I can find some servers to possibly chose from  

[ATX22]

I hope that's the case...but PC players have been waiting on Reloaded since Jan/Mar 2015 when they officially took over Hawken. All that work they were leading this community to believe, in was in fact,  for the consoles with little to nothing being done on the PC. (Backend work, servers ?)

Since they finally released their real intention back in June,  here we are still waiting for something to be done here.....and no word yet on when and what will happen.

In the meantime the player pop continues to fall. The busiest times seem to be weekends around midday to early evening (NA servers) ...as I write this there are currently ;

PC - 130 / 22

Xbox - 326 / 60

PS4 - 511 / 94

 

That's most likely peak, those are really sad numbers....I feel time is running short. Having said that, going to play some Hawken now while I can find some servers to possibly chose from  

 

Yeah, between waiting on Reloaded and ADH, I'm surprised that the Hawken PC "crowd".. if there are enough of us left for that term, is still around.  I think Reloaded could turn things around fairly quickly with a decent patch to Hawken, one that contains actual new content.  But if they're just going to recycle already existing assets from what ADH left them, any boost to the gamer population is probably going to be short lived.

 

As far as the numbers go, as long the low-end isn't hitting zero, I think Reloaded has some time to continue doing.. whatever it is they're doing.  But once it goes from ~50 gamers online to zero on the off-hours, I hope they take notice, that's when I'd think Hawken reaches the "It's dead Jim" point, even with an active developer.

 

One thing that would have me worried over the consoles right now is the makeup of the popular game modes; I see an awful lot of BOTSDM servers out there in console-land rather than what you'd think would be the premier Hawken game modes MA / Siege or even the PUG TDM / DM modes.

[Analysis]

Fired up Hawken on the xbox recently to see the cost of the civ and g2-civ.

 

Civ costs 15,000

Civ g2 costs 45,000

 

Current credits 6k...

[WmMoneyFrmMissouri]

Fired up Hawken on the xbox recently to see the cost of the civ and g2-civ.

Civ costs 15,000
Civ g2 costs 45,000

Current credits 6k...

Git grindin' son !

[Analysis]

Git grindin' son !

Maybe I will, but first they need to fix the horrid fps plaguing the consoles and scrap the g2 strict upgrade system.

[Saphyr]

I'm sorry to hear that things have gotten as bad as they are here.  I was a player around the 2013 era when the Wandering Guns roamed and tournaments were played, but had to drop out when my 2010 Macbook Pro on bootcamped Windows 7 went from being able to handle Hawken for a few games to not even lasting an entire game without running out of RAM and crashing.  I only hope that I would have been a loyal player through the years to today had that not been the case.

 

I recently got into the PS4 version... not the same playing without mouse & keyboard, but it's tiding me over and still gets exciting as it used to.  I'm hoping to acquire a new computer soon to play on PC proper, and I am quite content if I am left only with my trusty CR-T Recruit and some rusty twitch skills.  But I can clearly see that my case is more than likely a unique one among the players who have since dropped out.

 

Still, I do wonder if grassroots outreach for the game would help at all in influencing change.  I have already started talking about the game with a friend of mine, and it may be possible that I'll find other functions to show off the game to others as well (I'm going to MAGFest in January).  It doesn't solve the game/economy-related problems you are talking about, but I feel a desire to do something rather than watch it die.

[StubbornPuppet]

Similar story:  I've been trying to play a bunch of Hawken before some update comes along and does something that I hate... you know, get in as much of this Hawken while I can.

 

But, nope, I log in at what should be peak play times and can't find anything but 2 TDM matches.  I can try and start a Siege or MA... but, where I used to only sit for 5-10 minutes before I'd have 6 players and be rolling along, I can now let it sit for 45 minutes and not have a single person join.

[MechFighter5e3bf9]

i love hawken you love hawken,  the fault lies with everyone else not giving it a chance. years ago after we lost most of our players to pub stomps and server outages during the patching spree so underappreciated by majority of us that all we need to do to reverse the pattern of population steadily bleeding out is stop stomping them in the dirt till they ragequit for just a few weeks or so and the seeds will be planted to get it rolling again

 

:and let me tell you most of the newbies i met fell in love with hawken immediately but could not handle the beatings long enough to become average. there just wasnt enough servers to keep the high mmr players out. it was so easy to see how close we came to keeping our players but we lost them because while we will happily play in servers of our own skill seperate from them... we never held back when we got thrown in with them.

Edited by MechFighter5e3bf9, 07 September 2016 - 02:21 PM.