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[AsianJoyKiller]

Bea5t, on February 12 2013 - 04:22 AM, said:

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If someone spends the match fuzzy bunny talking and being an fuzzy bunny, then yes, a "gg" at the end is a jerk move.

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So it is not common agreement anymore to see gg out of its actual context.
I don't want to insult you pro gamer, who are used to it, you guys rarely come to a situation where you could take a gg as a fraud. Though i can remember a gameplay video of AJK when he was on the loosing team and complaing about the noobs in his team. Would you have accepted a gg afterwards_ You were quite raging... EDIT: you did not... (will support the link to the vid, if i can find it EDIT: found it ). I also want to state that most of ggs are used in the right situations so don't get too upset about this all.

Convenient that you ignore the fact that I'm not at all responding to Lithium's "gg". I was, if fact, annoyed with my team and letting them know. This is a great callout and all (Did you know that's against forum policy_ Obviously not.), but you totally ignored the part where I wasn't even responding to the "gg".

[Bea5t]

Sorry for the callout, didn't know that, killed the link. But you are always demanding proof, so i provided.
So your complaining about the poor game just happened to be right after the gg_ I do call that a response, you are explaining why that was not a good game. Maybe if you would have said, that it is not directly RELATET to the gg, I would believe you more, but thats just me, I tend to understand words by their actual meaning...

[RedVan]

I've been annoyed with noobs in my team, and let them know, but still said GG after getting stomped.

Why_  Because when it comes down to it, despite how fuzzy bunny the circumstance, I still had fun, or I wouldn't have bothered to stick around and play.

[Bea5t]

Nothing bad about gging on the loosing team, that is always welcome.

[AsianJoyKiller]

Bea5t, on February 12 2013 - 06:49 AM, said:

Sorry for the callout, didn't know that, killed the link. But you are always demanding proof, so i provided.
So your complaining about the poor game just happened to be right after the gg_ I do call that a response, you are explaining why that was not a good game. Maybe if you would have said, that it is not directly RELATET to the gg, I would believe you more, but thats just me, I tend to understand words by their actual meaning...

Yeah. It just happened to be typed shortly after the "gg". The only problem I had with that match was with 2 of my teammates. I was basically bitching at them.

[Conquistador]

I have no idea what you people are on about.

Where I come from, "gg_" is used in the form of a question, and is shorthand for "got gophers_"

Let me tell you, this has lead to some serious misunderstandings after every game.

P.s. - The answer to "gg_" is "yes".

[NBShoot_me]

WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW, on February 12 2013 - 01:07 AM, said:

NBShoot_me, on February 11 2013 - 11:52 PM, said:

WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW, on February 11 2013 - 11:14 PM, said:

Now, let us take your suggestion and apply that to the problem of "seeing gg as condescending when it's obviously not, literally, a good game - so let's say something else instead"_

Those exact "anecdotes" (they were paraphrased examples of a recent poster's suggestion for a replacement of "gg") which you quoted were exactly to point out the contradiction when someone tries to bring up "empathy, suck it up!/ignore it!" Empathy works both for both sides as my examples should have clearly illustrated. Instead of getting mad when someone says "gg", I'm getting mad when someone says "sorry man it's too bad the game went poorly." Why not empathize with me_

There is no point to arguing whether we should or should not say "gg". There will be problems either way. "gg" is faster, impersonal, with little to no real-world consequence, and convenient - which is precisely what one wants when multiple parties are upset. It is also better than saying absolutely nothing, which would be dissatisfactory to those who sincerely thought it was a good game (because they were a troll or a newbie or whatever).

In other words, I shouldn't have needed 3 posts to explain that "gg does everything and more, so quit thinking about something that has withstood a test of time, and that tons of people both dead and alive have probably thought about for durations longer than you and I have."

I would really prefer not to have to get into a discussion as pointless as "what is a man." Man is nothing more than a little pile of secrets. Have at me, kinsman.

(Although, admittedly, I am thoroughly entertained by this fiasco.)

Here you go again..

Showing empathy towards your fellow gamer and calling a good game a bad game are two different things.  If that’s how you see things.. wow, now THAT is entertaining.

What does "good game" EXPLICITLY_   What does “Sorry you were down 3 players, that must’ve stunk!” IMPLY mean_

I could list scenarios where blurting out “Sorry you were down 3 players, that must’ve stunk” might not be the most tactful approach, but you obliviously wouldn’t care.  Just keep in mind that there is someone who is the masochistic type who does derives joy from getting stomped in one, or most games that they play.  Also keep in mind that you and anyone who doesn’t quite understand this and blurts out “Sorry you were down 3 players, that must’ve stunk” like a parrot just appears to be a narcissistic tard who’s eyes glaze over when “Sorry you were down 3 players, that must’ve stunk” is taken as an insult.

This isn’t the old days of Quake, you don’t come and go as you please in these games to play with/against entire COMMUNITIES of gamers of your choosing.  We’ve got DEVs even in THIS GAME talking about punishing people for LEAVING a game in progress, and this is for a game that likes to DROP you in games already in progress.  In the day and age of F2P, there ARE players who do not draw the short straw, a lot, and they’re generally the type who start to become sorry for those on the losing team spamming “GG” as some token sign of sportsmanship.  It’s close to the “GLHF” crowd who do have the wherewithal to NOT “say all” these lines when the other team is starting out with a distinct disadvantage.

Really though, this all boils down to knowing when to shut up and when to shout out.  If you can’t figure that out, then people are going to be griping at you from the other team if or until you do.

EDIT: One off subject question, is English NOT your primary language_  Your word selection is, erm, different at times.

I assumed the contrary on most of your statements. It is still perfectly valid (yes I think your original post was perfectly valid).

It's the same thing over again. Why is it more important to empathize with the cynical ones than the ones who put all of their effort into an unbalanced game_ How do you define a "bad game_" As an unbalanced game_

When two kendo practitioners decide to spar, and one of them is the equivalent of a mech god (I'll call him the senior), if the senior was to say something like "sorry you did so poorly" after he won a match or decided to play very passively, the senior would be the one who would look absolutely awful. It is expected that both practitioners put in all of their effort, and, relevant to this discussion, bow to each other both before and after the match - to do otherwise would be to disrespect the opponent ("you're a joke, so I'm not even gonna try - beat you with one hand lol") and the martial art itself. I am simply extending this obligation to do the best one can no matter the circumstance (unbalanced game) and to be polite both before and after the fact (gl hf, gg) to this discussion.

Yeah, you're right, it's sometimes better to just not say anything and move on. But do note that "gg" is a lot closer to saying nothing than saying "[a lot of words]", and is already better established than "[a lot of words]".

Saying either "gg" or "[words]" can add insult to injury - "gg" is less insult then "[words]", or at least quick and painless. Someone who reacts to "gg" is obviously having a very bad day, in which case they will probably have indicated that in-game, which other players may use as reasoning not to say anything at all or say something consolatory - but again, if they go with the latter, if someone did have fun despite losing, such consolation would rain on their parade, even if it's not personally directed toward them (just like how "gg" is also not directed so personally).

I'm afraid you come off as really defensive of your opinion. I don't see why my viewpoint should be entertaining. I certainly never claimed your viewpoint was entertaining. I would also like to know why you find it necessary to laugh at what I had written. "One of the quote book"_ I don't understand. It's not supposed to be funny. You miss all of my jokes but you read jokes out of text that is supposed to be dead serious.

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I'm ashamed to admit I only know English fluently.

I’m not dealing in absolutes here, I’m not saying that “GG” is always appropriate nor am I saying the inverse.  That’s probably the biggest difference between my approach and yours right now.  Like I’ve been saying; “GG” is fine, but use some common sense concerning WHEN you use it, otherwise you’re going to KNOWINGLY put yourself in a situation where YOU are insulting others.  If that is too taxing for you, seek medical attention.

You’re going to compare Kendo practitioners to gamers_  That is an apples to oranges comparison, but let’s look at this straw man argument if you will.. You have two people sparring here, not exactly a team effort.  You’re also comparing an in-person, face to face sparring match to online gaming where you can’t see your opponents, and HAVE to put some faith in them when it comes to being honest (not cheating in any way while on the other side of the planet sometimes from you) with an extremely limited ability to make any kind of judgment call on them.  You’re also comparing the gaming crowd, which has revolved around trash talking each other, being weary of each other’s moral integrity, doing whatever it takes to gain an edge, money, and many times a complete disregard one’s opponent..  to something that if I recall, is very keen on things like honor, bettering oneself, and well, you get the point.  I’m not sure what you walk away with when it comes to gaming beyond carpel tunnel, so why are you comparing it to Kendo_  A LOT of assumptions, many of which don’t lie within the realm of reality would have to be made.

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WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW, on February 12 2013 - 01:07 AM, said:

Yeah, you're right, it's sometimes better to just not say anything and move on. But do note that "gg" is a lot closer to saying nothing than saying "[a lot of words]", and is already better established than "[a lot of words]".

And that was basically the point I was making in a nutshell, well, in the first sentence.  The rest, that’s squarely sitting in the realm of opinion, and while you still love to point out how “better” established “GG” is, that’s not the point, words and phrases can have “established” meanings, and these established meanings can still be subjective based on one’s perspective and can also change, for all intents and purposes, over night.  The acronym “GG” isn’t Latin, so don’t treat it as such.  If you were on a team of 6 who slaughter a newbie team of 1 and for some reason decided to type “GG” at the end of the match.. that’s generally accepted as a very poor choice following many other poor choices (in ALMOST all cases, and yes, that’s an extreme).

The rest of your post, I think I’m going to leave that be, all I’d be doing is rehashing what I’ve already posted, there is much I could type, but right now, just your handle alone (breaking the forums CSS, probably in-game player listing, and covering more of the screen in-game than it should), I have a hard time NOT lumping you into the category of troll, which that being in mind, the outcome if I go further, would not be good.

I wonder if it’s been suggested yet to the DEVs to truncate long names in forums and in-game..

Edited by NBShoot_me, February 12 2013 - 03:13 PM.

[NBShoot_me]

Conquistador, on February 12 2013 - 10:19 AM, said:

I have no idea what you people are on about.

Where I come from, "gg_" is used in the form of a question, and is shorthand for "got gophers_"

Let me tell you, this has lead to some serious misunderstandings after every game.

P.s. - The answer to "gg_" is "yes".

Got Grapes_

superbank, on February 12 2013 - 12:57 AM, said:

ReachH, on February 12 2013 - 12:36 AM, said:

99.437% of people who say GG don't say it when they loose.

Yup. Most players nowadays use it to signify that a fight of equal powers was fought. They had a good time and they think you had a good time, gg. This is how it's used in the present, if you're using it another way then you're probably making people upset. Maybe another phrase needs to be coined_ Any suggestions_

"Needs more bacon"

Edited by NBShoot_me, February 12 2013 - 03:18 PM.

[Cpt_Kill_Jack]

I type GGG which is Good Game Gents.

[Xuande]

superbank, on February 12 2013 - 12:57 AM, said:

ReachH, on February 12 2013 - 12:36 AM, said:

99.437% of people who say GG don't say it when they loose.

Yup. Most players nowadays use it to signify that a fight of equal powers was fought. They had a good time and they think you had a good time, gg. This is how it's used in the present, if you're using it another way then you're probably making people upset. Maybe another phrase needs to be coined_ Any suggestions_

Those are my sentiments. When I feel like I had to really struggle for victory and the game could have gone either way, I say gg. Because that's exactly what it was. A damn good game. This whole "courtesy" and "formality" just seem so out of place to me. Formalities (or just saying it out of habit without any thought) are useless.

[Dread_Lord_Pitr]

I Am Jack's Complete Lack Of Surprise

[ExtremeUnction]

The only way I will say gg and accept a gg as genuine is if the game was pretty even and people were noticeably enjoying it. I don't like seeing an experienced player hop into a game of noobs and roflstomp everyone then spout gg at the end like there was actually some fierce competition. I'm sure anyone leveling a mech would love to dish out a good roflstomping and rake in the exp but someone in a lvl25 mech really has nothing to gain and is jsut walking around slaughtering noobs.

I don't say this because I'm a noob that gets roflstomped all the time. I get my fair share of stompings but I give out quite a few too. You can tell when you're playing against someone who at least has some good sense and someone who is new or is just walking around mindlessly pewpewing.

[Gagzila]

Cpt_Kill_Jack, on February 12 2013 - 03:23 PM, said:

I type GGG which is Good Game Gents.

You might want to change that to GGP which could be "Good Game People" or "Good Game Pilots" since female gamers have been around for quite a while now ...or go with GGLAG - Good Game Ladies And Gentlemen.

Back on topic, I did not think to see the day where "GG" would have it's own 9 page long topic with such a heated argument and such varying interpretations when to me it has only ever meant what it literally means - that I had a good game (won or lost) and wanted to express this to the other players. If I had a really fuzzy bunny game that annoyed me, I didn't say this. If others said it, I either agreed with a return "GG" or disagreed by not returning it. If I felt their "GG" (pending me reading it, sometimes I don't bother to read in game chat) was unsporting in it's contextual use then I would either say so or just ignore it.

Simply saying GG out of habit is not respectful. It's almost disrespectful because you're not being honest and can be construed as condescending / patronising depending on the scenario.

Basically, people are lazy...that's why "Good Game" was abbreviated to GG. If you've just smashed someone and say "GG" without further clarification, they are also going to be lazy and derive the base logical meaning of that comment in context to the scenario. It is also up to them if they want to take offence at it or just brush it off and get on with the next match...it is only a game after all.

Cheers,

Gagzila

[Akrium]

Keiichi81, on February 12 2013 - 06:16 AM, said:

It has nothing to do with not understanding that sports players are accustomed to a handshake or other sign of respect after a game and everything to do with sports players not understanding that there's a distinct difference between a game of JV football and a pub game full of randoms in a competitive online game. It comes from people who think that just because they're accustomed to saying an automatic "GG" after every game of MLG StarCraft, that a "GG" is always appropriate after every game of anything ever, no matter the circumstances.

Sports tend to be fair. To borrow a previous analogy, you don't see many football games where one team has double the players on the field, or hockey games where one team keeps the other checked up against the rear glass the entire match while one player repeatedly slaps shots into their open net. In a game like Hawken, not only are there underlying balance issues that have yet to be worked out, but you've got matches that routinely start out lopsided with more players on one team than the other and quickly turn into wildly uneven steamrolls. Saying "GG" to someone after your team just roflstomped them in a 6vs3 game where they spent the bulk of the match being spawn camped is implying to them that you think their getting spawn camped in a lopsided server by a bunch of unsporting a-holes constitutes a "good" game. It really is and can be taken as ignorance or patronization at best and a slap in the face at worst, especially to the person on the other side of that monitor who's probably fuming over what a frustrating and unfair game it actually was.

The people who blindly parrot "GG" automatically after every match regardless of the circumstances just seem to me to be lazy and/or thoughtless. If you want to convey your respect for your opponents after a lopsided pubstomp or your gratitude for them sticking it out despite the odds, then a different phrase other than "GG" would seem to be more appropriate. Like "Thank you for playing".

But I've been arguing this for going on 5 pages now and don't appear to have made any headway.

So soccer never has a difference in player counts_ A red card ejects a player from the game and he cannot be replaced. Still after those games people will shake hands. Does having the same player count automatically make one team have the same chances of winning_ No... lets put up a pro baseball team vs a high school team. Both sides do have the same number of players but one really does not have a chance at winning. But at the end, both will still shake hands. This again doesn't change my statement in the least bit.

Abstractly i stated that people are going to have their views and there is nothing you can do about it. Opposing your opinion over someone else's opinion is silly. Neither opinion is wrong, because... they are opinions. Thus I apologized that I was going to offend people, but I am going to keep my opinion and I hoped they would understand after the post.

Calling me lazy or thoughtless is rather rude after all of that. But I am not here to please all, so it is what it is. You can go be angry in your world and I'll be content in mine as I continue to say GG after each game.

I really cannot believe that you think you can argue and win this topic. I understand your view, but it isn't going to change mine. I have my reasons for what I do and I am happy with that. This topic isn't going to all of a sudden change everyone's views. It may widen it a bit, but that is it. Or everyone can simply stay closed minded and that's fine too. It's everyone's choice after all. Me personally I was confused that people would yell at me after I said GG. But I didn't think much of it because honestly, I figured they were bad sports/poor losers. And if you are getting pissed off because of a game and it's outcome, you may need to rethink how serious you need to take the game. Or don't... it's up to you.

[TheChaffeemancer]

Akrium, on February 12 2013 - 07:53 PM, said:

abloo bloo bloo bluu

Kiwi was rolling with what you were saying then you went "quit gettin' mad at video games." Then Kiwi was disappointed.

Kiwi actually was not aware that it was such a widespread thing to consider the use of "gg" no matter what to be proper sportsmanship. Kiwi was also disappointed that people who used the practice as such were so quick to go for the "stop being a bad sport" instead of just realizing that not everyone is aware of what they think is "proper" sportsmanship.

Side "thinking that 'gg' after a bad game is poor form" needs to realize that some people just automatically do it as they think that's what's proper, regardless of your feelings.

Side "go 'gg' after ALL THE GAMES" needs to realize that not everyone is in on what you consider proper protocal and consider sometimes being a verbose with their aftergame messages.

Edited by TheChaffeemancer, February 12 2013 - 08:06 PM.

[Rei]

Honestly people need to stop being butthurt over two letters.

[TheChaffeemancer]

Stay classy.

[foldem]

I only use GG when its a tight, even game. A good game.
Cant see the point using it after every match, like if one team is slaughtering the other. It loses the meaning. Its like saying "oh my god what a good meal" every time you eat something, even if its mud and stones on the plate.
But I don't give a flying fuzzy bunny if people want to type GG after every game, good or bad, do whatever pleases you.
My 2 cents...

Edited by foldem, February 12 2013 - 08:22 PM.

[Akrium]

TheChaffeemancer, on February 12 2013 - 08:05 PM, said:

Akrium, on February 12 2013 - 07:53 PM, said:

abloo bloo bloo bluu

Kiwi was rolling with what you were saying then you went "quit gettin' mad at video games." Then Kiwi was disappointed.

Kiwi actually was not aware that it was such a widespread thing to consider the use of "gg" no matter what to be proper sportsmanship. Kiwi was also disappointed that people who used the practice as such were so quick to go for the "stop being a bad sport" instead of just realizing that not everyone is aware of what they think is "proper" sportsmanship.

Side "thinking that 'gg' after a bad game is poor form" needs to realize that some people just automatically do it as they think that's what's proper, regardless of your feelings.

Side "go 'gg' after ALL THE GAMES" needs to realize that not everyone is in on what you consider proper protocal and consider sometimes being a verbose with their aftergame messages.

And that is it, I do get the other side now. I never thought about it until this thread came about. But I'll keep saying it, and if someone actually gets mad I will say sorry to them but that I was trying to be respectful. If they don't understand but then rage more, I will simply ignore them as they ARE being bad sports at that point.

I totally want to find a reading rainbow image right now.

[TheChaffeemancer]

foldem, on February 12 2013 - 08:19 PM, said:

I only use GG when its a tight, even game. A good game.
Cant see the point using it after every match, like if one team is slaughtering the other. It loses the meaning. Its like saying "oh my god what a good meal" every time you eat something, even if its mud and stones on the plate.
But I don't give a flying fuzzy bunny if people want to type GG after every game, good or bad, do whatever pleases you.
My 2 cents...

Kiwi ate mud and stone on a plate once, it was p. good.

Kiwi thinks the chef was a wizard.