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[WarPig]

Nicely done hobo and couldn't find anything I didn't agree with !!

[Osune]

Dracoslayer16, on March 02 2013 - 02:09 AM, said:

2. I think this TOW nerf is needed.  The direct hit damage is fine on the TOW but being able to do almost max damage by just barely scratching someone's foot with the outer edge of the explosion always seemed a bit derpy to me.  This change will hopefully get people to actually AIM their TOWs a bit more now.
3. They actually nerfed Hellfire max speed, they only increased the acceleration and initial speed which will only effect them for being used in CQC as dumbfire missiles.  The only real "buff" hellfires are getting is 30% improved tracking because they still keep missing for targets that even have clear line of sight.  Also, like all explosives, their explosive effect is getting nerfed so only direct hits will do max damage.

Ah thanks for the explanaitions. Got things cleared for me =)
( Hope you get that right, it sounds kinda sarcastic to me atm. But can't find better words atm. I really appreciate this )

Didn't know that TOWs worked that way. And agree that this nerf was needed, in retrospection.
But exploding midair tactics are effected though, no_

As for the Hellfires: Well they are my most hated weapon. So i'll cry; "OP! PLZ NERF!" cause i'm a troll and hate Bruiser ;D
I was even pre patch still too stupid to dodge them right. So with better tracking, direct hits will get me even more often.
But that's really only the whining of me =)

Oh and Heat weapon nerf is ok for me, too. I don't use it, cause i'm too stupid for that , too. So no props there =)

EOC Rep. Buff is nice, cause i got my Infil near lvl 25 and planned to use it =) ( or at least try it )

[ReachH]

Happy Birthday H0B00B, best lumberjack ever.



P.S. Here are my thoughts on the patch.

Edited by ReachH, March 02 2013 - 04:01 AM.

[SmirkingRevenge]

I WANT HIPTHRUST!!!!

Oh and totally didn't know you could launch items while boosting...  Yay for ignorance XD

On a serious note though, completely agree with the comments re: SS... I do feel these bast*rds are a tad OP as it stands personally, but that could very well be a reflection on how I play, who knows.  It can be very hard to kill them when you've got a full 6v6 game, given that you've generally gotta get through the other 5 before you can even get close, and even then they've probably killed you from you just being out in the open killing the others.  I get that thats the idea of a SS, but with the nerfs coming to the other weapons, it's going to make it that much harder to kill these f*ckers.  Well, for me anyway =P

[h0B0]

maschas, on March 02 2013 - 02:45 AM, said:

I like these changes, although I think the GL should have a larger explosion radius than the TOW. I think it needs a buff to offset the nerf.

I'd also like to see a SS nerf of some kind. It's really annoying getting killed by a projectile you cannot dodge. I don't really get what the role for hitscan weapons is in a game with relatively large targets and no headshot mechanic.

GL did not get hit by the feathering this patch, i consider this an indirect buff. Moar playing is required to see how it compares.

With the changes to explosives SS will now stand out as a sore thumb in game balancing and hopefully will get adressed in 2 weeks.

Osune, on March 02 2013 - 03:46 AM, said:

But exploding midair tactics are effected though, no_

As for the Hellfires: Well they are my most hated weapon. So i'll cry; "OP! PLZ NERF!" cause i'm a troll and hate Bruiser ;D
I was even pre patch still too stupid to dodge them right. So with better tracking, direct hits will get me even more often.
But that's really only the whining of me =)

Yes mid air detonation should be affected.
One thing that as not been mentioned is a 30% tighter grouping on the hellfires.
They will still be a potent weapon if not being aware of your positioning.
I look forward to trying them ingame.

SmirkingRevenge, on March 02 2013 - 04:22 AM, said:

On a serious note though, completely agree with the comments re: SS... I do feel these bast*rds are a tad OP as it stands personally, but that could very well be a reflection on how I play, who knows.  It can be very hard to kill them when you've got a full 6v6 game, given that you've generally gotta get through the other 5 before you can even get close, and even then they've probably killed you from you just being out in the open killing the others.  I get that thats the idea of a SS, but with the nerfs coming to the other weapons, it's going to make it that much harder to kill these f*ckers.  Well, for me anyway =P

SS ability is way out of balance right now.
as i said previously these changes will highlight exactly how out of line the powershot ability is and therefore will bring it to the devs attention and hopefully we will see a nerf in 2 weeks.

[Agile]

Great patch notes altough very dissapointed that the SS hasnt been tweaked at all!
Especially now when explosives have been nerfed, the SS becomes even more powerfull (well, the rest becomes less powerfull, but same effect). The game becomes increasingly more tipped towards a SS heavy game, which totally ruins the action packed gameplay. The SS on its own isnt that of a big problem, but because of the SS being powerfull it becomes more and more the mech of choise, very often 3 or even more SS on a team. Big game killer imo.

Hawken should stay a great action game, and not become a big sniper fest (as currently).

Edited by Agile, March 02 2013 - 09:06 AM.

[Dread_Lord_Pitr]

h0B0, on March 02 2013 - 06:37 AM, said:

SS ability is way out of balance right now.
as i said previously these changes will highlight exactly how out of line the powershot ability is and therefore will bring it to the devs attention and hopefully we will see a nerf in 2 weeks.

I'd prefer to have the old ability back; decent sustained damage amplification without making it too OP.

[MechFighter7af5a]

Thanks for all your work, h0b0.  This is a pretty good game as it sits now, I suspect by the time they are done it will be better than just good.

[phed]

your avatar is tripping my out...


nice breakdown h0b0. this patch should bring the reaper up into the pack more too, bringing better balance to an underpowered (though over-popular chassis).

[MechFighter7af5a]

phed, on March 02 2013 - 12:57 PM, said:

your avatar is tripping my out...

Well...she could be a fuzzy bunny.  She looks like she's been through a War.  I know this is all a stretch..../me goes to look for a new icon.

[Wasabi_Wei]

phed, on March 02 2013 - 12:57 PM, said:

your avatar is tripping my out...

At first I thought it was a beach hottie, so I enlarged the picture and my testes jumped right out of my body. 0_O

[ReachH]

2 days to go...

Edited by ReachH, March 02 2013 - 11:52 PM.

[Grogovich]

I disagree about the emp nerf. It has already been nerfed to limited use, down to the point where it is now pretty much only useful to help escape a fight (Think at end of 1v1, you win but another opponent comes in to attack you before you can run). Meanwhile there is the detonator and HE that can just help kill them outright.

When comparing the EMP to other items in that slot, it was already relatively useless, now its nerfed into oblivion

[h0B0]

Grogovich, on March 03 2013 - 07:04 AM, said:

I disagree about the emp nerf. It has already been nerfed to limited use, down to the point where it is now pretty much only useful to help escape a fight (Think at end of 1v1, you win but another opponent comes in to attack you before you can run). Meanwhile there is the detonator and HE that can just help kill them outright.

When comparing the EMP to other items in that slot, it was already relatively useless, now its nerfed into oblivion

EMP is now even with the HE nade.

Detonator is still way to powerfull.

[AsianJoyKiller]

Grogovich, on March 03 2013 - 07:04 AM, said:

I disagree about the emp nerf. It has already been nerfed to limited use, down to the point where it is now pretty much only useful to help escape a fight (Think at end of 1v1, you win but another opponent comes in to attack you before you can run). Meanwhile there is the detonator and HE that can just help kill them outright.

When comparing the EMP to other items in that slot, it was already relatively useless, now its nerfed into oblivion

If EMP is so useless, then why do I still use it as an offensive item on a regular basis and why do people run away whenever they get hit by it_

[PlagueDoctor]

EMP is fundamentally flawed. The Devs put on the same layer as say a Flashbang, But its the opposite, instead of being blind and able to shoot, you can see and you can't shoot. Its frustrating to have used on you and in my opinion, isnt fun to use. Bad for everyone involved.

Edited by PlagueDoctor, March 03 2013 - 08:40 AM.

[StutterStep]

Was there ever an answer about stun lock_  I didn't see anything in the patch notes.

[h0B0]

no mention of stunlock.

[StutterStep]

h0B0, on March 04 2013 - 07:27 AM, said:

no mention of stunlock.

Gah!...  That's one of the few things in the game that raises my blood pressure.

[Wasabi_Wei]

Stunlock and EMP piss me off in the way that the insta-damage of the Reaper (and SS more so, but I don't run SS, so I'm not speaking to that) probably pisses other people off, so I have to wonder if that isn't balanced in a way..I'm not sure if that is better or worse than some other games, but it has me thinking.

Edited by Wasabi_Wei, March 04 2013 - 09:26 AM.