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[RedVan]

N0stalgia, on June 14 2013 - 04:00 PM, said:

RedVan, on June 14 2013 - 04:37 AM, said:

I honestly don't understand the gripes against origin. Just a "steam" by another company. Only problem I ever had with steam was needing to run it in the background to play games through it, but better computers alleviated that.

Used origin for BF3 and never saw an issue aside from the inconvenience of needing to install it to install BF3. Quite a light inconvenience IMO.

Everyone dislikes Origin because it sucks. Usually people dislike things that suck. Here are a few reasons it sucks: It is bloatware that is unnecessary, it hogs computer resources, it has an unintuitive interface, it was created only because steam was successful and now that it has been created creates a rift in many a gamer's library and nobody wants to run both at the same time, it has slow download speeds - especially compared to Steam, and it is riddled with ads so as to line EA's pockets with more monies. Consumers don't want it and they didn't ask for it, but now are forced to use it with certain games. Not cool EA. Not cool. People should boycott things that are not cool.

So don't buy the game.

"Everyone" said the exact same thing about steam, seems to be quite fine now. So another company wants to make their stuff exclusive. That's up to them. If people really want to "boycott" it, they'll just wind up hurting themselves by missing out on games they would otherwise enjoy. I guarantee you there are enough people out there who don't care enough about running origin that ea won't be getting rid of it any time soon.

Best option:  help them improve it.

[OdinTheWise]

I say if ain't broke don't fix it. Origin makes no sence and ea should be kicked in the balls for it. That being said, I probably will get it anyhow

[SilentJacket]

N0stalgia, on June 14 2013 - 04:00 PM, said:

RedVan, on June 14 2013 - 04:37 AM, said:

I honestly don't understand the gripes against origin. Just a "steam" by another company. Only problem I ever had with steam was needing to run it in the background to play games through it, but better computers alleviated that.

Used origin for BF3 and never saw an issue aside from the inconvenience of needing to install it to install BF3. Quite a light inconvenience IMO.

Everyone dislikes Origin because it sucks. Usually people dislike things that suck. Here are a few reasons it sucks: It is bloatware that is unnecessary, it hogs computer resources, it has an unintuitive interface, it was created only because steam was successful and now that it has been created creates a rift in many a gamer's library and nobody wants to run both at the same time, it has slow download speeds - especially compared to Steam, and it is riddled with ads so as to line EA's pockets with more monies. Consumers don't want it and they didn't ask for it, but now are forced to use it with certain games. Not cool EA. Not cool. People should boycott things that are not cool.

you forgot spyware, Origin is capable of scanning your entire computer, including any and all sensitive data stored on it

I only have Origin for Crysis 3, and even then, it is on an isolated partition. (the crysis Dl took 4 days btw)

[NBShoot_me]

RedVan, on June 14 2013 - 07:27 PM, said:

N0stalgia, on June 14 2013 - 04:00 PM, said:

RedVan, on June 14 2013 - 04:37 AM, said:

I honestly don't understand the gripes against origin. Just a "steam" by another company. Only problem I ever had with steam was needing to run it in the background to play games through it, but better computers alleviated that.

Used origin for BF3 and never saw an issue aside from the inconvenience of needing to install it to install BF3. Quite a light inconvenience IMO.

Everyone dislikes Origin because it sucks. Usually people dislike things that suck. Here are a few reasons it sucks: It is bloatware that is unnecessary, it hogs computer resources, it has an unintuitive interface, it was created only because steam was successful and now that it has been created creates a rift in many a gamer's library and nobody wants to run both at the same time, it has slow download speeds - especially compared to Steam, and it is riddled with ads so as to line EA's pockets with more monies. Consumers don't want it and they didn't ask for it, but now are forced to use it with certain games. Not cool EA. Not cool. People should boycott things that are not cool.

So don't buy the game.

"Everyone" said the exact same thing about steam, seems to be quite fine now. So another company wants to make their stuff exclusive. That's up to them. If people really want to "boycott" it, they'll just wind up hurting themselves by missing out on games they would otherwise enjoy. I guarantee you there are enough people out there who don't care enough about running origin that ea won't be getting rid of it any time soon.

Best option:  help them improve it.

... STEAM, it is what it is for now, but just wait, Gabe isn't going to be around forever, same goes for all the 1st gen decision makers over there, once you get past whomever the 2nd generation of leaders are and Valve could very well be the next EA if they don't get gobbled up by someone or the other way around (you never know).  Similar reason as to why I don’t give a flip about id anymore since they sold out and don’t seem to be clearing out their DRM after a game sells well enough..

As for Origin, I guess the newer generation of gamers can all spend their money on that storefront like a good group of drones.  Really.. This is EA we're talking about.. the meat grinder of a company that gobbles up developers, over work the ($)# out of them, toss out a half dozen sequels of the game they made and then boots them out.  After which they pull in some new people to keep the IP on life support until people can't stand to spend any more money on it.. or is that Microsoft...  then they go find something else to gobble up, repackage and sell.  All this while trying to make sure they keep the maximum control over software they're willing to sell you for a premium price while not really selling you anything but a PASS to authorize you to play THEIR game that you never actually purchased.  Kind of like if you paid money for a music CD that really only authorized you to borrow it.. forcing you to ask the RIAA to lend it to you only long enough to play whatever you wanted to listen to in one sitting and then give it back, rinse, wash, and repeat.

Edited by NBShoot_me, June 14 2013 - 08:45 PM.

[Ashfire908]

SilentJacket, on June 14 2013 - 08:36 PM, said:

you forgot spyware, Origin is capable of scanning your entire computer, including any and all sensitive data stored on it

So does any other program on your computer pretty much, even if it never runs as admin (which it will have to at some points for some installs), since it can read all of the current user's files as well. Steam can do this, your browser can do this, a calculator program can do this.

Sorry but when the arguments go too far into the misinformed/grasping at straws territory...

[SilentJacket]

Ashfire908, on June 14 2013 - 08:42 PM, said:

SilentJacket, on June 14 2013 - 08:36 PM, said:

you forgot spyware, Origin is capable of scanning your entire computer, including any and all sensitive data stored on it

So does any other program on your computer pretty much, even if it never runs as admin (which it will have to at some points for some installs), since it can read all of the current user's files as well. Steam can do this, your browser can do this, a calculator program can do this.

Sorry but when the arguments go too far into the misinformed/grasping at straws territory...

let me clarify, Origin's TOS even says that it will scan your computer for unspecified reasons.

[The_Eldritch_Abomination]

N0stalgia, on June 14 2013 - 04:00 PM, said:

RedVan, on June 14 2013 - 04:37 AM, said:

I honestly don't understand the gripes against origin. Just a "steam" by another company. Only problem I ever had with steam was needing to run it in the background to play games through it, but better computers alleviated that.

Used origin for BF3 and never saw an issue aside from the inconvenience of needing to install it to install BF3. Quite a light inconvenience IMO.

Everyone dislikes Origin because it sucks. Usually people dislike things that suck. Here are a few reasons it sucks: It is bloatware that is unnecessary, it hogs computer resources, it has an unintuitive interface, it was created only because steam was successful and now that it has been created creates a rift in many a gamer's library and nobody wants to run both at the same time, it has slow download speeds - especially compared to Steam, and it is riddled with ads so as to line EA's pockets with more monies. Consumers don't want it and they didn't ask for it, but now are forced to use it with certain games. Not cool EA. Not cool. People should boycott things that are not cool.

[Ashfire908]

SilentJacket, on June 14 2013 - 08:45 PM, said:

Ashfire908, on June 14 2013 - 08:42 PM, said:

SilentJacket, on June 14 2013 - 08:36 PM, said:

you forgot spyware, Origin is capable of scanning your entire computer, including any and all sensitive data stored on it

So does any other program on your computer pretty much, even if it never runs as admin (which it will have to at some points for some installs), since it can read all of the current user's files as well. Steam can do this, your browser can do this, a calculator program can do this.

Sorry but when the arguments go too far into the misinformed/grasping at straws territory...

let me clarify, Origin's TOS even says that it will scan your computer for unspecified reasons.

IIRC, Origin's TOS is/was (I haven't read it in some time; didn't sign up, just was a big deal at the time so I read it) not specific at what it collected but it was for how it was using said data, while Steam said what they record but not what it's for as much.

But clarification is really all I wanted, I'm not a origin/ea fanboy or w/e (I think EA is terrible and I've had no reason to touch origin), just don't want the conversation to get so far into the "gotta hate on it" that the original topic/discussion is lost.

Edited by Ashfire908, June 14 2013 - 09:08 PM.

[OdinTheWise]

I think the data they collect is mostly just metrics on how people use their software.

[RedVan]

Don't get me wrong, EA may be the big bad wolf, simply trying to capitalize (it is a company for profit after all). All I'm saying is:  you're not gonna start an Anti-EA revolution lol. If you don't like origin, then just don't play the games. If you want to play the games, then either suck it up or help them make it better.

There is no company out there that is incapable of changing for the better or worse. It's mostly dependent on the input they get from their customers. If you refuse to use their product, they likely won't care what you think of it. If you use it and give them input, they're more likely to improve it.

As much as people love to bash on big corporations, you have to remember, they do want to produce a good product. Good product = more revenue. Even if their bad product is producing good revenue, the can always make more by improving it.

[OdinTheWise]

RedVan, on June 16 2013 - 06:35 AM, said:

Don't get me wrong, EA may be the big bad wolf, simply trying to capitalize (it is a company for profit after all). All I'm saying is:  you're not gonna start an Anti-EA revolution lol. If you don't like origin, then just don't play the games. If you want to play the games, then either suck it up or help them make it better.

There is no company out there that is incapable of changing for the better or worse. It's mostly dependent on the input they get from their customers. If you refuse to use their product, they likely won't care what you think of it. If you use it and give them input, they're more likely to improve it.

As much as people love to bash on big corporations, you have to remember, they do want to produce a good product. Good product = more revenue. Even if their bad product is producing good revenue, the can always make more by improving it.

Well said

[FussyBadger]

RedVan, on June 16 2013 - 06:35 AM, said:

As much as people love to bash on big corporations, you have to remember, they do want to produce a good product. Good product = more revenue. Even if their bad product is producing good revenue, the can always make more by improving it.

As someone who works at a huge company and has seen EA make similar choices, I think your suggestion is off base. While you are logically correct, many huge companies struggle with balancing long term profits against short term gain - and often go in favor of the short term for their shareholders. Sure, they want customers to be happy. They also want to make as much money as possible. There's a lot of conflict between those two points.

Look at the server issues so common to EA game launches. Every time, "We didn't expect such demand!" Look at the online passes that players hated on consoles, which are only now going away because MS bowed to EA's demands on used games. Look at the direction they've taken several franchises versus the direction the players wanted. There's an abundance of examples.

When a company makes such moves that are clearly negative for the paid customers, you have to ask why. The answer is almost always because the company will make more money. (Sometimes, it's just dumb mistakes.)

If you keep buying the games and jam their forums full of helpful feedback, only to see the worst offenses continue game after game, where do you draw that line_ For me, that answer lies in how major the issues are. Some of the big problems are pure business decisions, consumer be damned, and all the feedback in the world won't matter if copies still fly off the shelves. Smaller things, like gameplay tweaks, will likely be changed. I think it's the difference between what the publisher demands/controls versus the developer - the latter is more concerned about us and the former is tied up in the bottomline.

Edited by FussyBadger, June 17 2013 - 03:51 AM.

[NBShoot_me]

Or, how about this: Feedback usually helps the developers create a better product, but when it comes to the REALLY BIG publishers like EA (might be considered "developers", etc. too), the bean counters making these DRM related decisions couldn't care any less what you say, to them it's all about the bottom line.

[Kelso]

Titanfall looks very promising, I will most likely get it for pc

[Countrygal]

Oh noes.. the Titanfall thread came up again.. Time to throw my bra away

[Kelso]

Countrygal, on July 04 2013 - 05:22 AM, said:

Oh noes.. the Titanfall thread came up again.. Time to throw my bra away

Oh yay! Im realy looking forward to the game

[NYR0]

I just looked at this and noticed EA is now taking pre-orders on it. I wonder how much the Hawken devs are worried about this real competition and whether or not they think Titanfall will end Hawken.

[Audible_Silence]

why would it end hawken_ its nothing similar at all. that's like saying MWO will "end" hawken.

[NYR0]

Audible_Silence, on July 08 2013 - 07:29 PM, said:

why would it end hawken_ its nothing similar at all. that's like saying MWO will "end" hawken.

Is it nothing like Hawken simply because it has the option of not being in the Mech_ I would consider all Mech games competition to eachother if they are in the same genre...FPS, RPG  or RTS.

[Countrygal]

Pre-Orders_ *runs to the store*