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[Leonhardt]

AsianJoyKiller, on June 20 2013 - 02:34 PM, said:

Ahah.
Aheheheee.
...
AAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
*dies from laughter*

I assume this is the "punch line" that really got you_ lol

palad1ne, on June 20 2013 - 01:33 PM, said:

Every light A class mech can kill the big C class even in turret mode.

[Xtratega]

Don't know 'bout chu', but, C Class mechs are the sexiest mechs out there.

My Macho Macho Mech" And some other sexy beast right behind it.

[AsianJoyKiller]

Leonhardt, on June 20 2013 - 04:26 PM, said:

AsianJoyKiller, on June 20 2013 - 02:34 PM, said:

Ahah.
Aheheheee.
...
AAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
*dies from laughter*

I assume this is the "punch line" that really got you_ lol

palad1ne, on June 20 2013 - 01:33 PM, said:

Every light A class mech can kill the big C class even in turret mode.

Didn't make it past the first sentence to be honest.

[OdinTheWise]

This is the most obsurde thing I have ever seen. Obviously the OP has no clue.

BRAWLER PILOTS UNITE!

[vonbach]

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This topic is coming up way too often and on that i will agree. but  to those players who keep saying

"oh but a good c class player will stomp you" ... give him enough time in an A class and then he will stomp  even more.

Pretty much this. All the "LUZ L2P NOOB" cant cover up the fact that A classes are far superior to C classes.

Edited by vonbach, June 20 2013 - 05:36 PM.

[Sylhiri]

vonbach, on June 20 2013 - 05:35 PM, said:

Pretty much this. All the "LUZ L2P NOOB" cant cover up the fact that A classes are far superior to C classes.

Prove it. With Facts.

None of that "My Own Experience" **** nether.

Edited by Sylhiri, June 20 2013 - 05:49 PM.

[AsianJoyKiller]

Sylhiri, on June 20 2013 - 05:48 PM, said:

vonbach, on June 20 2013 - 05:35 PM, said:

Pretty much this. All the "LUZ L2P NOOB" cant cover up the fact that A classes are far superior to C classes.

Prove it. With Facts.

None of that "My Own Experience" **** nether.

Smaller hitboxes.
Faster, more mobile.
Main defensive advantage can't be nullified in a single secondary shot.
Abilities that are viable in every situation and not highly situation or detrimental.
Health charges are more effective for A-Classes.
Less downtime due to repairing.
Less downtime due to travel.

I'd list more, but I'm distracted by game 7 of the finals.

EDIT: Many C-Class aficionados will admit A-Class perform in a superior manner overall.

Edited by AsianJoyKiller, June 20 2013 - 06:06 PM.

[Yaie]

AsianJoyKiller, on June 20 2013 - 06:02 PM, said:

Sylhiri, on June 20 2013 - 05:48 PM, said:

vonbach, on June 20 2013 - 05:35 PM, said:

Pretty much this. All the "LUZ L2P NOOB" cant cover up the fact that A classes are far superior to C classes.

Prove it. With Facts.

None of that "My Own Experience" **** nether.

Smaller hitboxes.
Faster, more mobile.
Main defensive advantage can't be nullified in a single secondary shot.
Abilities that are viable in every situation and not highly situation or detrimental.
Health charges are more effective for A-Classes.
Less downtime due to repairing.
Less downtime due to travel.

I'd list more, but I'm distracted by game 7 of the finals.

EDIT: Many C-Class aficionados will admit A-Class perform in a superior manner overall.

I'm one of those. C-Classes have a very clear disadvantage.

[Sylhiri]

AsianJoyKiller, on June 20 2013 - 06:02 PM, said:

EDIT: Many C-Class aficionados will admit A-Class perform in a superior manner overall.

I have a hard time seeing how all C-classes are dominated by A-classes of equal skill level. It may be a tad superior due to lack of dev support (mostly on ability) but people have a tendency to overreact.

[AsianJoyKiller]

Sylhiri, on June 20 2013 - 06:15 PM, said:

AsianJoyKiller, on June 20 2013 - 06:02 PM, said:

EDIT: Many C-Class aficionados will admit A-Class perform in a superior manner overall.

I have a hard time seeing how all C-classes are dominated by A-classes of equal skill level. It may be a tad superior due to lack of dev support (mostly on ability) but people have a tendency to overreact.

Except we're not just talking about 1v1 combat. So it's not just about whether an A-Class can dominate a C-Class in mortal combat, but how they perform in all aspects of the game, and not all aspects are matters of skill.

[Sylhiri]

AsianJoyKiller, on June 20 2013 - 06:23 PM, said:

Except we're not just talking about 1v1 combat. So it's not just about whether an A-Class can dominate a C-Class in mortal combat, but how they perform in all aspects of the game, and not all aspects are matters of skill.

C classes are very essential for team play, you know this as it's been the case since the tournament. You NEED C-classes on your team in game modes like Missile Assault and lolsiege. I would very much like to test a full A class team verses a balanced team or even full C class team once TJ is let out of the dungeon.

[vonbach]

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You NEED C-classes on your team in game modes like Missile Assault and lolsiege.

No you don't. Sorry but C classes aren't tanks and aren't useful as such. A mech class isn't a viable
class if its only viable with a healer and and entire team surrounding it.

[AsianJoyKiller]

Sylhiri, on June 20 2013 - 06:32 PM, said:

AsianJoyKiller, on June 20 2013 - 06:23 PM, said:

Except we're not just talking about 1v1 combat. So it's not just about whether an A-Class can dominate a C-Class in mortal combat, but how they perform in all aspects of the game, and not all aspects are matters of skill.

C classes are very essential for team play, you know this as it's been the case since the tournament. You NEED C-classes on your team in game modes like Missile Assault and lolsiege. I would very much like to test a full A class team verses a balanced team or even full C class team once TJ is let out of the dungeon.

Except they aren't essential for team play.

If you're referring to Zeshi's Post-Apocalyptic tourny, then I'll remind you the reason we saw so much class diversity is because there were restriction in place requiring at least one of each class, and limiting the max of each class to 2 during most matches. And there was also the instance during the 1st final match where SK was behind until I ditched my Brawler for a more mobile mech.

[Sylhiri]

AsianJoyKiller, on June 20 2013 - 06:40 PM, said:

And there was also the instance during the 1st final match where SK was behind until I ditched my Brawler for a more mobile mech.

Wasn't that the CR-T_ Quite a bit has changed since then as well, I'm not solely using the tourney as evidence. 2 of each is pretty much the most solid mech comp so far with the current meta. Since the Raider came out I wouldn't be surprised if A classes weren't needed at all besides the tech and maybe the Reaper.

If you want to help test if my thinking is right or wrong then you are more then welcome to join the experiment. Exeon has been dying to get other clans for scrims and I don't want to be biased.

[AsianJoyKiller]

Sylhiri, on June 20 2013 - 06:49 PM, said:

2 of each is pretty much the most solid mech comp so far with the current meta.

According to what_

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Since the Raider came out I wouldn't be surprised if A classes weren't needed at all besides the tech and maybe the Reaper.

Despite the Raider's great mobility, it's specialization as a CQC mech reduces it's flexibility and it absolutely can not replace A-Classes. Not to mention being A-Class mobile every now and then is not nearly as good as being A-Class mobile at all times.

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If you want to help test if my thinking is right or wrong then you are more then welcome to join the experiment. Exeon has been dying to get other clans for scrims and I don't want to be biased.

When I last talked to Exeon about this, he made it very clear that he was not interested in running proper unbiased scientific tests and was looking for clan vs clan glory matches.

[KejiGoto]

For being pretty useless I tend to put a lot of work in on my Cupcake and Brawler. If the Type C's go I'll be a sad panda.

[AsianJoyKiller]

KejiGoto, on June 20 2013 - 07:19 PM, said:

For being pretty useless I tend to put a lot of work in on my Cupcake and Brawler. If the Type C's go I'll be a sad panda.

I'm pretty sure that the removal of the C-Class would result in several of us C-Class fans riot in the streets (it'd be a very small, and spread out riot) and then burn down the HWK offices. Or at least leave a bag of flaming dog fuzzy bunny on their doorstep.

[Leonhardt]

AsianJoyKiller, on June 20 2013 - 07:28 PM, said:

I'm pretty sure that the removal of the C-Class would result in several of us C-Class fans riot in the streets (it'd be a very small, and spread out riot) and then burn down the HWK offices. Or at least leave a bag of flaming dog fuzzy bunny on their doorstep.

They say non violence is the best way to get your point across. You see all non violent movements are missing one key item that really sticks it to "the man" and thats "a bag of flaming dog fuzzy bunny." Well done sir you have successfully outlined the best way to riot.

I approve nay applaud this method!

[Epostle]

Bazookagofer, on June 20 2013 - 02:35 PM, said:

This topic is coming up way too often and on that i will agree. but  to those players who keep saying "oh but a good c class player will stomp you" ... give him enough time in an A class and then he will stomp  even more. pirits curving rockets around corners isnt that easy as it seems. my main problem with C classes is that i do best with them while supported with a team on my own i just get slaughtered. that is pretty much forcing people to play a different class in some scenarios. oh wait i forgot something.(see post down)

I agree.  If anything, I would say A class mechs are really op.  But then again, people just don't know how to deal with C types.

[Nept]

I recall seeing someone suggest that the C-class "wings" or shields should always take reduced damage.  Think it's a good idea that opens some interesting gameplay mechanics.  Specifically, C-class pilots with good reflexes could swivel to reduce incoming frontal damage.

I'd like to playtest that change.