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[Desert_Fox2]

StephenHawkins, on February 15 2014 - 01:47 PM, said:

The move you´re describing with the scout explains  why you die a lot against hellfires. the only advantage that hellfires has, is the lock on, otherwise the lower damage, the lockon load time, the reduced seeking and how easy you can use enviroment cover to avoid them (and trusth me, is EASY), is a huge handicap against this weapon, Sadly a lot of players move around the maps like walking on the beach, just like if the armor was the same than the previous version, and play happy in the middle of the map, feeling invincible, no my friend, those times just ended, now you have to play thinking in all the other mechs and their respective hability/weapon, (this including SS, Reaper, etc), and learn to fight back, take use of the ADVANTAGES of YOUR mech, instead of think in the supposed overpower of the other Mech, and lern to move over the map, otherwise, that´s one way ticket to die, and of course, a trip to the forum to complain about a weapon that has been constantly nerfed over and over. BTW,  I use Grenadier mostly, so, no hellfire lover here, but someone who is rarelly  killed by one.

Am I to assume that you were talking to me_

I didn't say that I die to HF very often. As I explained my post above I would retreat if I took to much damage. I just find them so annoying, along with the Bruiser.

What I said and the way I said it were said like that for simplicities sake. I do not play that bad.

[hawken00]

My main complaint is not that it's op but it doesn't require you to aim at the opponent. They should redesign it in my opinion

[LEmental]

I think hellfire need to be redesigned.  They are too dominating on certain maps and too weak on others.

[Elladan]

LEmental, on February 16 2014 - 04:30 AM, said:

I think hellfire need to be redesigned.  They are too dominating on certain maps and too weak on others.

lastly I heard that means they are "niche" weapon

[CounterlogicMan]

Shouldn't be able to maintain a lock when the target is out of your FOV. Also hellfires shouldn't be able to maintain lock after they pass the intended target.

[Dinre]

Personally, I only tend to feel that the Hellfires are overpowered when I'm on the poorly designed maps that are too open.  I think it's more of a map design issue than a weapon design issue.

[Elladan]

Dinre, on February 18 2014 - 09:16 AM, said:

Personally, I only tend to feel that the Hellfires are overpowered when I'm on the poorly designed maps that are too open.  I think it's more of a map design issue than a weapon design issue.

actually I'm not feeling their "op-ness" even there (last heard those maps are bazaar and bunker) but I'm not playing rocketeer so maybe that's why

btw but In those maps I feel all the drawbacks of being clos combat focused mech

[_Flyght]

Reaper OP.

[SFC_Rock]

Great... another "OP PLEASE NERF" poll. The Hellfires damage is fine they way it is, its just too easy to use right now. A 3 or 4 second lock on time would be a reasonable change over a 1 and a half second lock on time to promote more dumb firing with the missiles. Personally I dumb fire them too much to keep people hiding behind cover as I approach with the Vulcan, works like a charm.

[hawken00]

Dinre, on February 18 2014 - 09:16 AM, said:

Personally, I only tend to feel that the Hellfires are overpowered when I'm on the poorly designed maps that are too open.  I think it's more of a map design issue than a weapon design issue.

And I think those maps would be balanced if the hellfire missiles weren't so poorly designed

[Chocksa]

It's easy to avoid hellfires imo. If you know your opponent is using hellfires the dumbest thing to do is stay out in the open. This kind of posts are most often made by ppl who do the dumbest thing when their opponent is using hellfires.

[Dinre]

Chocksa, on February 19 2014 - 01:57 PM, said:

It's easy to avoid hellfires imo. If you know your opponent is using hellfires the dumbest thing to do is stay out in the open. This kind of posts are most often made by ppl who do the dumbest thing when their opponent is using hellfires.

I think this is why we complain about the open maps that don't allow you to avoid the hellfires, yes_

[Analysis]

My stance on the Hellfires and Heat are unchanged. Both the Hellfires and Heat are to strong.

[USM999]

Chocksa, on February 19 2014 - 01:57 PM, said:

It's easy to avoid hellfires imo. If you know your opponent is using hellfires the dumbest thing to do is stay out in the open. This kind of posts are most often made by ppl who do the dumbest thing when their opponent is using hellfires.

Thank you! Your mech literally warns you when you are being locked on and when they are fired. I made a post in the suggestions to improve the hellfire. It's pratically a rocket shotgun more than anything. It makes me regret ever buying the Mercenary Bundle.

[kanamisan]

from my experance playign my brawler the other day, which as people know is a very slow and fat mech. hellfires can be dodged, all you have to do is put something hard between you and the hellfires, it could be a wall, or a hostile mech, its all up to you, but if a scrub like me can dodge them in a fat mech, I believe you should not have any problems.

[The_Silencer]

HFs aren't OP right now.
The Rocketeer is -as well as the Incinerator- a little bit OP though, IMHO. The Incinerator's SHAARE isn't slightly OP but non-so-slightly OP; so to speak.. Hope they fix both mechs soon so we have one supa-cool well balanced full garage in the game. The Scout... well.. still I do have little second thoughts about the Scottie.. but this deserves its own refreshed thread at this point, IMHO.

The_Silencer out.

[Terr_]

They aren't OP, but some tweaks would be a good idea:

• Don't lock on to invisible enemies. (Obvious, right_)
  
• Use variable audio tones so the victim can hear the progress and range of the missiles. This information is required for people to skillfully dodge. (As opposed to lucky and or unreliable dodging.

Edited by Terr_, June 13 2014 - 03:12 PM.

[The_Silencer]

Terr_, on June 13 2014 - 03:12 PM, said:

They aren't OP, but some tweaks would be a good idea:

• Don't lock on to invisible enemies. (Obvious, right_)

True and I concur.

Locking on to invisible enemy mechs for free isn't fair. Maybe, maybe, if it were at close - or close- & short_medium - range only. But with no limits isn't fair play, to be honest.

Ps. BTW, the same with the portable scanner, it should "reveal" invisible enemies in the short-mid distance as well. The later just an idea though.. which isn't terrible at all, IMHO.

Terr_, on June 13 2014 - 03:12 PM, said:

• Use variable audio tones so the victim can hear the progress and range of the missiles. This information is required for people to skillfully dodge. (As opposed to lucky and or unreliable dodging.

Not required, IMHO. Nor from a gameplay nor from a production stand point. And this could negatively impact balancing for this weapon as well.

[TwentyFirstPilot]

Hellfires aren't OP, though I see them as annoying to fight against and boring to use.

[BigLag]

Hellfire isnt much of a threat.  If you go chasing a B frame alone in a damaged A frame paper weight .. well...lol.