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[Retorrent]

Fazel, on February 08 2014 - 08:54 AM, said:

LordTemujin, on February 08 2014 - 08:20 AM, said:

I can explain minority versus majority arguments, but I already have, three times.I can explain how there are actual roles to play now, but I already have five times. I can explain how this makes the game more interesting and competitive but I already have two times. Getting the hint yet_ Its the same thread, same arguments over and over again with a new OP.

People who are enjoying the game are PLAYING the game instead of complaining about it. The same people are attempting to explain the same points to every dissenter because we are forum normals who routinely deal with this kinda fuzzy bunny.

Preternatural, on February 08 2014 - 08:11 AM, said:

No arguments have been thrown against me. And, when you propose an argument to me, I am allowed to have whatever opinion I choose. And, if so many people are having identical arguments, wouldn't it be safe to assume that most of the players agree that the new TTK is not good_

I am not saying they are right, per se, I am saying that most players agree on the same things. If the majority wants change, and have arguments that multiple people agree to, their argument should be considered.

If you want to read some of the arguments made, go read one of the other dozen threads. Go respond on one of the OTHER dozen threads. The alternative is for me to just copy paste THOSE arguments as well.

I'm sorry but you are going against youre own argument. You are not adding anything to the topic, just posting youre frustration for the fact that there are too many similar topics (and i'm not saying that youre frustration is wrong in that^^).
If you have already answered other people than just don't answer this specific one. Or, i see no evil in simply auto-quote yourself^^
I'm sure who really have to read these topics will select the one with most activity and posts, so by ignoring the ones you labeled as "copy" you'll achieve more than just saying "it's a copy, i don't want to answer a copy with a copy of my answer" XD

Talking about the patch i really can't see how an increase of the effectiveness of Alphas can do good to a mech-fight simulator.
Cause this is a MECH-FIGHT SIMULATOR, with FIRST PERSON VISUAL, not an FPS. So please, PLEASE, don't make this game a new Call of Duty, PLEASE.
If you want to oneshot people you don't play a game where people are protected by layers of metal.
It would be funny to play a tank game where you die with a single cannon ball_ Or a pirate game where you can sink a ship with a single broadside_ (i don't know if it is the corrent word, i mean when all the cannons from the same side shot at the same time xD).

One shot_! Come on even in my fragile 300hp tech I have never been one shotted, when I go down I often look at who killed me and most of the time its one person + all the other people that have assisted in the kill. So I don't really know how anyone is getting one shotted.

[Preternatural]

LordTemujin, on February 08 2014 - 08:20 AM, said:

I can explain minority versus majority arguments, but I already have, three times.I can explain how there are actual roles to play now, but I already have five times. I can explain how this makes the game more interesting and competitive but I already have two times. Getting the hint yet_ Its the same thread, same arguments over and over again with a new OP.

People who are enjoying the game are PLAYING the game instead of complaining about it. The same people are attempting to explain the same points to every dissenter because we are forum normals who routinely deal with this kinda fuzzy bunny.

Preternatural, on February 08 2014 - 08:11 AM, said:

No arguments have been thrown against me. And, when you propose an argument to me, I am allowed to have whatever opinion I choose. And, if so many people are having identical arguments, wouldn't it be safe to assume that most of the players agree that the new TTK is not good_

I am not saying they are right, per se, I am saying that most players agree on the same things. If the majority wants change, and have arguments that multiple people agree to, their argument should be considered.

If you want to read some of the arguments made, go read one of the other dozen threads. Go respond on one of the OTHER dozen threads. The alternative is for me to just copy paste THOSE arguments as well.

Mmhm, I know that saying that the majority is always right is a fallacy. I am not saying that we are right. I am saying that if so many people have the same argument, it should be respected and held as legit.

Also, yes, please show us how spamming and making multiple threads about the same subject is wrong by copy/pasting your arguments about how it's wrong.

[Retorrent]

14 FPS_

I agree I can't see how anyone could enjoy this game with that kind of FPS more or less even get a kill. It would be like playing this game in slideshow mode.

[cubicDevourer]

Preternatural, on February 08 2014 - 07:56 AM, said:

Sniping.

Balance issue. It shall be resolved in later patches.

Preternatural, on February 08 2014 - 07:56 AM, said:

A-Class is Forever Ruined.

Balance issue. It shall be resolved in later patches.

Preternatural, on February 08 2014 - 07:56 AM, said:

Alpha Strikes.

Balance issue. It shall be resolved in later patches.

Preternatural, on February 08 2014 - 07:56 AM, said:

Decline of Originality.

Debateable.

Preternatural, on February 08 2014 - 07:56 AM, said:

After my game loaded from Steam, I joined in and....felt like a complete noob again. I felt like I was learning to play an entirely different game. That shouldn't be the way a player feels after logging back on to his favorite game.

And therein lies the issue with a lot of players such as yourself. The real reason, deep down, why you think this patch is bad is because it's unfamiliar to you.

Change isn't bad. Embrace it. If you still truly dislike Hawken after giving yourself some time to adjust, then I'm sorry.

[Retorrent]

My question is if it really is a majority of people that don't like it or just a vocal minority who are the ones complaing_ Quick someone start an unofficial poll!

[NaudyCaudy]

cubicDevourer, on February 08 2014 - 09:07 AM, said:

Preternatural, on February 08 2014 - 07:56 AM, said:

Sniping.

Balance issue. It shall be resolved in later patches.

Preternatural, on February 08 2014 - 07:56 AM, said:

A-Class is Forever Ruined.

Balance issue. It shall be resolved in later patches.

Preternatural, on February 08 2014 - 07:56 AM, said:

Alpha Strikes.

Balance issue. It shall be resolved in later patches.

Preternatural, on February 08 2014 - 07:56 AM, said:

Decline of Originality.

Debateable.

Preternatural, on February 08 2014 - 07:56 AM, said:

After my game loaded from Steam, I joined in and....felt like a complete noob again. I felt like I was learning to play an entirely different game. That shouldn't be the way a player feels after logging back on to his favorite game.

And therein lies the issue with a lot of players such as yourself. The real reason, deep down, why you think this patch is bad is because it's unfamiliar to you.

Change isn't bad. Embrace it. If you still truly dislike Hawken after giving yourself some time to adjust, then I'm sorry.

I know for me personally why i dont like the patch is because it took the ability to carry a bad team away from you. Before i felt confident if i ran into a couple enemies, now i know im screwed lol  Anyone who has played hawken for a good amount of time knows that if you're on a bad team now it doesn matter how good you are...youre going to lose.  Bad players die far too quickly and it really takes away from the game. No matter how many times you yell at your team to stick together theres always a couple who just dont get it and now we dont have enough armor to cover for them. Youre forced to just watch them die repeatedly.

[Preternatural]

cubicDevourer, on February 08 2014 - 09:07 AM, said:

Preternatural, on February 08 2014 - 07:56 AM, said:

After my game loaded from Steam, I joined in and....felt like a complete noob again. I felt like I was learning to play an entirely different game. That shouldn't be the way a player feels after logging back on to his favorite game.

And therein lies the issue with a lot of players such as yourself. The real reason, deep down, why you think this patch is bad is because it's unfamiliar to you.

Change isn't bad. Embrace it. If you still truly dislike Hawken after giving yourself some time to adjust, then I'm sorry.

Sure, if that's what it is, maybe it will just take time. I am unfamiliar with this new Hawken, you are 100% correct. I'm not saying I'm leaving this game because I find the patch unsatisfactory, I'm just saying I'd rather Hawken find a middle ground between the extremes of this low TTK and the pre-patch High TTK.

Retorrent, on February 08 2014 - 09:04 AM, said:

14 FPS_

I agree I can't see how anyone could enjoy this game with that kind of FPS more or less even get a kill. It would be like playing this game in slideshow mode.

It is, basically. However, my MMR is somewhere in the 1850s, and I normally top leaderboards. That is, before the patch. If I was playing with my Infil or Heat Scout. With everything else I'm pretty much average.

But yeah, I'm just too young to have any sort of money available to buy a decent gaming computer. But hey, I enjoy the game, so it is what it is.

[Gree]

cubicDevourer, on February 08 2014 - 09:07 AM, said:

Preternatural, on February 08 2014 - 07:56 AM, said:

Sniping.

Balance issue. It shall be resolved in later patches.

Preternatural, on February 08 2014 - 07:56 AM, said:

A-Class is Forever Ruined.

Balance issue. It shall be resolved in later patches.

Preternatural, on February 08 2014 - 07:56 AM, said:

Alpha Strikes.

Balance issue. It shall be resolved in later patches.

Preternatural, on February 08 2014 - 07:56 AM, said:

Decline of Originality.

Debateable.

Preternatural, on February 08 2014 - 07:56 AM, said:

After my game loaded from Steam, I joined in and....felt like a complete noob again. I felt like I was learning to play an entirely different game. That shouldn't be the way a player feels after logging back on to his favorite game.

And therein lies the issue with a lot of players such as yourself. The real reason, deep down, why you think this patch is bad is because it's unfamiliar to you.

Change isn't bad. Embrace it. If you still truly dislike Hawken after giving yourself some time to adjust, then I'm sorry.

Couldn't agree more.

[driedjello]

Preternatural, on February 08 2014 - 08:02 AM, said:

LordTemujin, on February 08 2014 - 08:01 AM, said:

Please..just stop, can we keep all this "HAWKEN IS OVER! THE END IS NIGH!" stuff to one thread_ There are three on the front page right now with the exact same points and arguments you are making. Choose one, make them there, stop wasting peoples time in having to rewrite the SAME freaking arguments.

I am tempted to copy this and paste it in every identical QQ thread that pops up in the hops to reduce this spam...and that is EXACTLY what it is.

Whelp sorry. Didn't see the others.

Yeah, didn't they tell you_  You aren't allowed to arrive at this obvious conclusion and state it openly because the ones who like/want a arcade twitch shooter don't agree.

[Gree]

Preternatural, on February 08 2014 - 09:16 AM, said:

Sure, if that's what it is, maybe it will just take time. I am unfamiliar with this new Hawken, you are 100% correct. I'm not saying I'm leaving this game because I find the patch unsatisfactory, I'm just saying I'd rather Hawken find a middle ground between the extremes of this low TTK and the pre-patch High TTK.

Sadly, that middle ground you're looking for exists now only in tales from the days before the technician and ascension updates.

[cubicDevourer]

Preternatural, on February 08 2014 - 09:16 AM, said:

cubicDevourer, on February 08 2014 - 09:07 AM, said:

Preternatural, on February 08 2014 - 07:56 AM, said:

After my game loaded from Steam, I joined in and....felt like a complete noob again. I felt like I was learning to play an entirely different game. That shouldn't be the way a player feels after logging back on to his favorite game.

And therein lies the issue with a lot of players such as yourself. The real reason, deep down, why you think this patch is bad is because it's unfamiliar to you.

Change isn't bad. Embrace it. If you still truly dislike Hawken after giving yourself some time to adjust, then I'm sorry.

Sure, if that's what it is, maybe it will just take time. I am unfamiliar with this new Hawken, you are 100% correct. I'm not saying I'm leaving this game because I find the patch unsatisfactory, I'm just saying I'd rather Hawken find a middle ground between the extremes of this low TTK and the pre-patch High TTK.

I agree. Whilst I do like this faster TTK, it could use a slight boost.

[LvL1201]

Just a reminder that there IS a poll going on.
https://community.pl...new-patch-poll/

[driedjello]

cubicDevourer, on February 08 2014 - 09:07 AM, said:

Preternatural, on February 08 2014 - 07:56 AM, said:

Sniping.

Balance issue. It shall be resolved in later patches.

Preternatural, on February 08 2014 - 07:56 AM, said:

A-Class is Forever Ruined.

Balance issue. It shall be resolved in later patches.

Preternatural, on February 08 2014 - 07:56 AM, said:

Alpha Strikes.

Balance issue. It shall be resolved in later patches.

Preternatural, on February 08 2014 - 07:56 AM, said:

Decline of Originality.

Debateable.

Preternatural, on February 08 2014 - 07:56 AM, said:

After my game loaded from Steam, I joined in and....felt like a complete noob again. I felt like I was learning to play an entirely different game. That shouldn't be the way a player feels after logging back on to his favorite game.

And therein lies the issue with a lot of players such as yourself. The real reason, deep down, why you think this patch is bad is because it's unfamiliar to you.

Change isn't bad. Embrace it. If you still truly dislike Hawken after giving yourself some time to adjust, then I'm sorry.

11 hours in and it's still a twitch shooter.  I am doing fine with the new playstyle, Usually killing more than I kill.  It's still NOT fun for me because I don't like this style of game, not that I can't adapt to it.  I liked the uniqueness of Hawken and don't feel compelled to like the new universal-generic-twitch shooter Hawken.

[Fazel]

Retorrent, on February 08 2014 - 09:02 AM, said:

One shot_! Come on even in my fragile 300hp tech I have never been one shotted, when I go down I often look at who killed me and most of the time its one person + all the other people that have assisted in the kill. So I don't really know how anyone is getting one shotted.

I played too with the tech and i've been one-shotted a lot of times by inf, scouts and snipers^^ (if not exactly oneshotted i died less than half second after the first shot)

[NaudyCaudy]

All I can say is I'm happy that so many people feel the same as I do. The hilarious thing to me is with the old build I would make sure i would go heal if my health went below 350...well now I start there hahaha

[[HWK]HUGHES]

I've seen a lot of speculation on this issue but I want to clear it up for good. No changes made to balance had the slightest impact from becoming available on Steam.

Balance changed were made to the game independently and discussions started on the addressing of balance fixing took place before any sort of Steam plans were finalized. Lower TTK does not somehow equal a wider audience.

WE ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO FEEDBACK AND WILL MAKE BALANCE ADJUSTMENTS AS WE FEEL ARE NEEDED. Multiple multiple threads on the same topic does not make us more aware of concerns.

The very fact that I can never see anyone on the forums agree as a whole on the same element of balance shows that the community doesn't know what it feels is right for the game as a collective unit. A single person might have their opinion but as a group I've never seen anything unanimous. We need to make HAWKEN the best we can make it and that means at its very core 100% of it will never appeal to 100% of the population.

Please consider we've also been gating access behind codes so the entire population that's been playing so far doesn't even have access yet, so there is a lower player count. The lower the player count the less balanced matches are possible.

The update had been available for 3 days and I've seen more smurf account posting than I can believe on the topic. One thread yesterday had seven unique accounts posting from the same IP address complaining.

Our numbers have been strong in relation to the percentage of people that have access and to get back on my original topic, Steam gives us greater technical agility, greatly reduced cost for content delivery and immediately a wider potential audience.

Anyone angry over the TTK... Can you give it a chance_ A handful of matches is not a chance. We love HAWKEN more than anyone out there. It's 50-60 hours of our week and such wild accusations and anger from a relatively mall percentage of those playing does not make sense. That doesn't make your opinion less valuable, but yelling more and louder helps nobody.

Please keep things constructive, no personal attacks and for crying out loud have some pie or something. Maybe warm cherry pie because that's awesome.

[LordTemujin]

[HWK]HUGHES, on February 08 2014 - 09:43 AM, said:

I've seen a lot of speculation on this issue but I want to clear it up for good. No changes made to balance had the slightest impact from becoming available on Steam.

Balance changed were made to the game independently and discussions started on the addressing of balance fixing took place before any sort of Steam plans were finalized. Lower TTK does not somehow equal a wider audience.

WE ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO FEEDBACK AND WILL MAKE BALANCE ADJUSTMENTS AS WE FEEL ARE NEEDED. Multiple multiple threads on the same topic does not make us more aware of concerns.

The very fact that I can never see anyone on the forums agree as a whole on the same element of balance shows that the community doesn't know what it feels is right for the game as a collective unit. A single person might have their opinion but as a group I've never seen anything unanimous. We need to make HAWKEN the best we can make it and that means at its very core 100% of it will never appeal to 100% of the population.

Please consider we've also been gating access behind codes so the entire population that's been playing so far doesn't even have access yet, so there is a lower player count. The lower the player count the less balanced matches are possible.

The update had been available for 3 days and I've seen more smurf account posting than I can believe on the topic. One thread yesterday had seven unique accounts posting from the same IP address complaining.

Our numbers have been strong in relation to the percentage of people that have access and to get back on my original topic, Steam gives us greater technical agility, greatly reduced cost for content delivery and immediately a wider potential audience.

Anyone angry over the TTK... Can you give it a chance_ A handful of matches is not a chance. We love HAWKEN more than anyone out there. It's 50-60 hours of our week and such wild accusations and anger from a relatively mall percentage of those playing does not make sense. That doesn't make your opinion less valuable, but yelling more and louder helps nobody.

Please keep things constructive, no personal attacks and for crying out loud have some pie or something. Maybe warm cherry pie because that's awesome.

THANK YOU

[NaudyCaudy]

[HWK]HUGHES, on February 08 2014 - 09:43 AM, said:

I've seen a lot of speculation on this issue but I want to clear it up for good. No changes made to balance had the slightest impact from becoming available on Steam.

Balance changed were made to the game independently and discussions started on the addressing of balance fixing took place before any sort of Steam plans were finalized. Lower TTK does not somehow equal a wider audience.

WE ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO FEEDBACK AND WILL MAKE BALANCE ADJUSTMENTS AS WE FEEL ARE NEEDED. Multiple multiple threads on the same topic does not make us more aware of concerns.

The very fact that I can never see anyone on the forums agree as a whole on the same element of balance shows that the community doesn't know what it feels is right for the game as a collective unit. A single person might have their opinion but as a group I've never seen anything unanimous. We need to make HAWKEN the best we can make it and that means at its very core 100% of it will never appeal to 100% of the population.

Please consider we've also been gating access behind codes so the entire population that's been playing so far doesn't even have access yet, so there is a lower player count. The lower the player count the less balanced matches are possible.

The update had been available for 3 days and I've seen more smurf account posting than I can believe on the topic. One thread yesterday had seven unique accounts posting from the same IP address complaining.

Our numbers have been strong in relation to the percentage of people that have access and to get back on my original topic, Steam gives us greater technical agility, greatly reduced cost for content delivery and immediately a wider potential audience.

Anyone angry over the TTK... Can you give it a chance_ A handful of matches is not a chance. We love HAWKEN more than anyone out there. It's 50-60 hours of our week and such wild accusations and anger from a relatively mall percentage of those playing does not make sense. That doesn't make your opinion less valuable, but yelling more and louder helps nobody.

Please keep things constructive, no personal attacks and for crying out loud have some pie or something. Maybe warm cherry pie because that's awesome.

Hold on here...so because we aren't unanimous on a subject means we dont know whats right or good_ No no no see a very large percentage of the community feels that the ttk is laughable.  Multiple threads are a product of what this update has created.  I know I never would have posted in the first place if it weren't for this insane update. In this thread alone maybe 2 people have stuck up for the update while many have the same problem....you guys done f*cked it up

[LordTemujin]

NaudyCaudy, on February 08 2014 - 08:46 AM, said:

I understand that there are roles to play but a lot of the time you're playing with people who just plain dont know their role.  With this new system if the team doesnt play to their strengths you are screwed and even the player who's playin the right way for their class has absolutely no chance.  In the past if you were on a team the didnt stick together and were reckless you could still hold your own.  Nobody is asking you personally to keep up the argument.  Try this, don't get involved in the argument if you don't want to repeat yourself. Not everybody has read your comments or your replies to these problems and everyone has the right to voice their displeasure with the update.  Instead of bein on this forum where its encouraged to discuss the game go play your "role" in hawken.  Some of us realize that if you're on a bad team now with the new low armor its impossible to carry a bad team.

Contradictions....The reason only 2 people have stuck up in this thread is because most have given up on the whiners and are just waiting for them to quit,

Actual arguments are met with hostility and "Go Away I am right" arguments.

[NaudyCaudy]

LordTemujin, on February 08 2014 - 09:55 AM, said:

NaudyCaudy, on February 08 2014 - 08:46 AM, said:

I understand that there are roles to play but a lot of the time you're playing with people who just plain dont know their role.  With this new system if the team doesnt play to their strengths you are screwed and even the player who's playin the right way for their class has absolutely no chance.  In the past if you were on a team the didnt stick together and were reckless you could still hold your own.  Nobody is asking you personally to keep up the argument.  Try this, don't get involved in the argument if you don't want to repeat yourself. Not everybody has read your comments or your replies to these problems and everyone has the right to voice their displeasure with the update.  Instead of bein on this forum where its encouraged to discuss the game go play your "role" in hawken.  Some of us realize that if you're on a bad team now with the new low armor its impossible to carry a bad team.

Contradictions....The reason only 2 people have stuck up in this thread is because most have given up on the whiners and are just waiting for them to quit,

Actual arguments are met with hostility and "Go Away I am right" arguments.

I never said I am right...All im sayin is if youre tired of repeating yourself then dont get involved. I was never hostile