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#1 PlagueDoctor

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Posted April 20 2014 - 09:42 AM

First off, try your hardest to not play bruiser. Its not a bad mech, its just not in the top half of good mechs. Its hard to play, because the Hellfires are underpowered. I'm going to keep screaming this until they get buffed. They won't get buffed, and I'm going to go hoarse.

Roles of the Bruiser:
1) Spearhead. First one in, and often first to die. Your job is to push a point with a team behind you and eat as many shots with DA as possible. You can use the Hellfires to flush enemies out of cover, or to shove them behind it. Often you will go in after you defeat one of the opponent's mechs, giving you a numbers advantage.
2) Suppression/Defense. You're behind your spearhead keeping people from shooting at him or her by forcing them into cover. Its almost reflex to dodge behind cover when you hear the lock on sound mixed with a thousand bullets hitting the ground around them. Teamed up with an indirect fire mech, you can destroy people without them even getting a shot off. Additionally, people will hate to try and push against you if you're standing on a point.
3) Support. This role is heavy on the hellfires. Fire the hellfires on cooldown, lock if there is a target available. You won't get many kills in this role, but you'll help others on the team get them. Hellfires isn't huge damage, but its damage that goes around corners and chases people around. If you're buddied up with a spearhead or a fighter mech (Brawler, vanguard, scout, assualt, etc), you can lay out consistent damage while the enemy tries to kill your spearhead or fighter. In addition, if you're teamed up with a sniper, you can flank and flush enemies out into the range of your snipers.

Ok, lets look at the most unique part of the bruiser. Its ability.

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DAMAGE ABSORB: Reduces the amount of damage your mech takes for a short duration. Damage Absorb has a 16 second cooldown.

Honestly, this is one of two reasons I play bruiser. This ability is ridiculously tight. It takes a bit of skill, situational awareness (game sense), knowing the enemies tempo, and a little bit of hearing. I want to say Its somewhere in the realm of 65% damage reduction for 1.5 seconds. Throw a Deflector on there and now you're cooking with bulletproof fire. More on internals later.

Knowing when to use damage absorb is what separates the good bruiser pilots from the bad ones. Many of the free week bruisers I see just hit DA at the beginning of a fight, which is not how it should be used. It should be used ideally right after the enemy fires their secondary weapon as a "parry" of sorts. I mentioned tempo, which is a huge part of this. Eventually, you can time your ability as your opponent is clicking to fire, once you learn their tempo. Every player has this. Some players have a slower tempo than others, and its generally faster from A classes. I can't teach this to you, its a skill you need to learn yourself. More on tempo later.

Weapons! (I wish SA hawkins was on this list, but i need to shut up about it because vana told me to)

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Vulcan! This is my personal choice, because I can't aim. Also it does immense damage. Its advertised as a point blank weapon, but I've had a lot of luck from RNGesus with it at mid, and occasionally long ranges. Most Importantly, it effectively covers the Hellfire's downside: close range combat. Just hold Mouse 1 and let the bullets do the talking. As long as you can keep the reticule trained on the target, they will die. Again, aiming is not a skill I can teach you.

When to use: On maps where you can keep the enemies in the sweet spot between vulcan effectiveness and hellfire tracking. If your target is smaller than the reticule, they're out of the sweet spot. You want them about where their torso is contained within the reticule.  Specific maps: Origin, Uptown, Wreckage. There are area's in the other maps that you can use to keep the enemy in the sweet spot, but overall it will be hard.

Roles: Spearhead, Suppression/Defense.
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Submachine Cannon! I hate this weapon, but only because I don't like things that are easy to use. Very fast rounds per minute, long overheat time, and a good amount of damage at short and mid range. Very easy to use, low spread, and good damage. It does however make you weaker than if you had a vulcan if people get up in your grill (literally, Hiefram has a grill) Most good players will get in your grill. Especially scouts. I'm looking at you Omeganull.

When to use: On maps that are heavy on mid ranges. To an extent, you can keep people a but further away with the Submachine cannon, but if they close the distance you can find yourself in a pickle. Specific maps: All of them. The SMC is really strong.

Roles: Spearhead, Suppression/defense, Support.

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Assault Rifle! This weapon has really grown on me as a Mid to long range fight stick. Where the SMC and the PD Vulcan fall short (literally) the AR shines. I use this in objective modes where I can keep the enemies at bay with the help of my team. However, If you're a DM or TDM player, Stick with the PD vulcan or the SMC.

When to use: On objective modes with long distances to cover. Siege (anti-air coverage) on Origin, Last eco, Frontine. If you're an EU runner, use SMC or the PD Vulcan.

Roles: Suppression/Defense, Support.



You may be thinking at this point, "No! Thats not what those weapons are for!" I'm considering them with the specific roles of the bruiser. If you want to kill dudes, use Fighting mechs. Moving on.

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Hellfires! Man look at them. THEY'RE SO COOL LOOKING. The in game menu describes them as "High burst damage, target seeking functionalily, effective at variable ranges" In this way, Adhesive is playing two truths and a lie with us. Take a guess at the lie! Do it. Ok. (The lie is the burst damage) Just about every other secondary weapon does more damage than the hellfires. Its a sad truth, and they're a bit lower than I think they have to be, but we're trading high damage for the ability to scare dudes into cover. Also they're fairly effective a long ranges, but at that point you should be playing Sharpshooter. I've yelled about various buffs to them (such as a change in functionality, or a damage increase) But that isn't the point of this thread.

Here is where tempo comes back into play. If you've learned your opponents tempo, you'll know when to fire your HFM. A type mechs can be somewhat squirrely with the Hellfires, often having multiple opportunities to use their dodges to avoid hellfires. ALWAYS FIRE AFTER YOUR OPPONENT HAS DODGED. In Duels, your hellfires are a lot less reliable if you don't know how to use them.

Air combat also messes with the Hellfires, making them immensely hard to hit. Often times opponents flying will move outside of the HFM targeting range, causing them to lose purpose and drift into the distance. Berserkers are going to be your main problem here. Just keep your primary weapon trained on them, and try to parry one of their TOW blasts with a DA.

One of my favorite things to do with hellfires is to force Sharpshooters from their crow's nests. This can buy you a few crucial seconds to move into position or pass a point thats being overlooked by a sharpshooter.

Hellfires are also good at slamming someone and forcing them to back to repair. If its a duel, you can Boost>jump>fly over them and catch them with their pants down, blasting them with a free lock and huge amounts of bullets. Its worth noting that the Bruiser has the second highest flight speed in the game, at "34" (for reference, berserker has "42")

To make the most out of your hellfires, you're going to have to learn how to arch shoot them. Depending on where you are on the map, what obstacles are in the way, and which way the opponent is moving, you'll have to arch shoot your HFM after locking. This is a hard thing to teach, but learning how to do it will net you far more Hellfire hits. Usually, you want to fire 60 to 70 degrees to the side opposite of their cover, so that if they dash behind it, your HFM have more room to maneuver behind the cover and hit them. If your target runs behind a hill, you can fire upward to lob them over. This is incredibly useful on open maps, such as Bunker, or Last eco. Say you're fighting around a pillar. If you get a lock, fire to one direction, you can dash the other direction, so that your opponent has to either dash out into the hellfires, or into your Primary weapon fire. It takes practice, but know that you can arch your shots. You have to in order to keep all your damage from flying into a wall.

Heads up: People will hate you. A lot. Arguably as much as a Sharpshooter. You'll hear the words "skillfire" thrown around a lot. Use that. The HFM are a psychological weapon, so if you get your Opponent riled up, they'll play less effectively.

BUG: Occasionally one out of the six, or five out of the six rockets will fail to lock onto the enemy. Adhesive knows about it, they don't know how to fix it yet. Its completely RNG, so sometimes it will happen to you 10 times in a match, or it wont happen at all in a day.

As for internals, the Only Mandatory one is Deflectors. On my main bruiser, I use Fuel Converter and Armor fusor in addition to Deflectors so that I can fly around, collect assists, and generally be a tanky jerk. (72 armor after a kill over 20 seconds is nothing to sneeze at, if effectively brings your armor up to 627 after a kill, and 591 after an assist)


Since you're going to be in the air a lot, another good choice is the air compressor. It helps to reposition yourself in order to land more hellfires, however it takes a bit more awareness and APM (actions per minute) to pull off.

There are no mandatory items, and you can change them around to how you want to play. I like HE charge or Detonator for huge alpha strikes.


NOW! There is only so much you can learn by reading. GO FORTH AND INCITE RAGE MY MINIONS

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#2 Jaquio

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Posted April 20 2014 - 09:51 AM

This man has four maxed Bruisers and has been playing them as a main since alpha. Heed his words.

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Posted April 20 2014 - 10:16 AM

heilfire 2 op nerf plz
stoopid auto-aim op nerf plz

On a more serious note I don't think buffing HF's up to the point they're as good as TOWs would be a good thing.
I mean, you actually have to aim TOWs.
HF's need curving.


I'm curious as to what buffs you think would be good for the HF without making it too strong.

Personally I'd like the lock-on to last a bit longer after you've lost direct LOS of the target.
It'd make it better in corner poking and 'hump the pillar'.

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#4 PlagueDoctor

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Posted April 20 2014 - 10:27 AM

I don't think that they should do as much damage as the TOW, seeing as they are effective at a much greater distance. I think if they kept their current damage at a short range, but as they traveled picked up more damage, lets say up to a TOWs damage, that would be a nice change. It would reward playing them well, without making them overpowered where the TOW or GL should win. I think that this is a more realistic option compared to what I want  them to do, but I think what I want them to do is better suited for a different secondary.


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Posted April 20 2014 - 10:32 AM

View PostPlagueDoctor, on April 20 2014 - 10:27 AM, said:

I don't think that they should do as much damage as the TOW, seeing as they are effective at a much greater distance. I think if they kept their current damage at a short range, but as they traveled picked up more damage, lets say up to a TOWs damage, that would be a nice change. It would reward playing them well, without making them overpowered where the TOW or GL should win. I think that this is a more realistic option compared to what I want  them to do, but I think what I want them to do is better suited for a different secondary.

I think that's a pretty well thought-out buff.
Realistic as well, and I can easily see the devs doing that.


What about the homing starting later, so it's not as useful in cqc as well_

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#6 PlagueDoctor

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Posted April 20 2014 - 10:47 AM

View PostMeraple, on April 20 2014 - 10:32 AM, said:

I think that's a pretty well thought-out buff.
Realistic as well, and I can easily see the devs doing that.


What about the homing starting later, so it's not as useful in cqc as well_

Thats how they used to be, but I don't think its needed, as they're already hard enough to use in CQC.

E: the delay before firing bit

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Posted April 20 2014 - 11:06 AM

REMOVE HELLFIRES LOCK.

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Posted April 20 2014 - 11:19 AM

View PostEliteShooter, on April 20 2014 - 11:06 AM, said:

REMOVE HELLFIRES LOCK.
Also, grenades and TOWs shouldn't explode.

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Posted April 20 2014 - 11:26 AM

Good guide, I like the bit about not using the mech.
If you get four rocketeer's to max level I will consider you a hellfire master.  Till then its just skillfire :P
Brusier ability is key to making the mech useful, the rocketeer doesn't have it.


As for changes to hellfires, well, the problem doesn't seem to be a single player ever, but when two or three people start all covering each other.  So what if multiple hellfire locks block each other for a period of time, either making it take more time to lock or the missiles tracking poorly.
The idea being, a single player dueling with hellfires has the reload time to worry about, and the lock prevention would be shorter than that, so they would be unaffected.  But if you have a bunch covering the same area they would interfere with other, and be unable to concentrate damage.

#10 PlagueDoctor

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Posted April 20 2014 - 12:09 PM

View Postspo0n, on April 20 2014 - 11:26 AM, said:

Good guide, I like the bit about not using the mech.
If you get four rocketeer's to max level I will consider you a hellfire master.  Till then its just skillfire :P
Brusier ability is key to making the mech useful, the rocketeer doesn't have it.

Rocketeer has seeker :P

As for the change to hellfires, I'm much more scared of two Sharpshooters or two TOWs or two anything than two hellfires. Yeah its strong, but the team that has two hellfires is giving up a potentially more useful mech in exchange for a cheesy gimmick.


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Posted April 20 2014 - 12:48 PM

Plague, weren't you having a hard time with... dun dun dun scout_


>.> <.< jk. Good guide. I love it when others who have tons more experience at a mech share. Wisdom is king.

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Posted April 20 2014 - 02:20 PM

View PostEliteShooter, on April 20 2014 - 11:06 AM, said:

REMOVE HELLFIRES LOCK ON CLOAKED TARGETS.
Fixed that for you.  Literally my only issue with Hellfires.

Sweet guide, I need to get back to my Bruiser.   But I've been on a Berserker and Air Compressor advertising kick.  I just got Baby's First Quintuple Domination.  Thanks for being only used by, or effective against "Bad" Pilots Air Compressor!

If only that enemy team's Bruiser ever used lockon.  I kept expecting them to but nooo.

Edited by SectionZ, April 20 2014 - 02:22 PM.


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Posted April 20 2014 - 02:26 PM

Yeah, I believe AJK never got that intervention done.

Tell me your mumble server and I will come and smack some logic into him.
I`ll fix it later.

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Posted April 20 2014 - 02:56 PM

I get the sense you're mostly a ground-based Bruiser.

Why isn't this thread in the Mechs sub-forum_

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Posted April 20 2014 - 03:19 PM

and the cqc-to-midrange triumph: getting hits with no-lock dumbfires. it's so much more rewarding to see the "fuzzybunnies" scroll by on the chat box. i guess being blasted by hellfires without the "fair warning" signal just really upsets some folks.
excellent tutorial!
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Posted April 20 2014 - 04:16 PM

I read until "don't play bruiser", agreed, and liked.

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Posted April 20 2014 - 11:23 PM

My king! As a loyal Bruiser minion, I immensely enjoyed this guide.

But I believe there is still one minor thing missing.

You forgot to cover shotgunning! D:



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Posted April 21 2014 - 01:12 AM

Good guide!

Damage absorb is the reason I dislike Bruiser.  An ability with a marginal effect and such a short duration seems like a waste of a F key ability.  Compare this ability to predators insanely quick refresh time taht comes with invisibilyt and wall hack,  or damage output skills such as sharpshooter or zerker with longer durations and a higher and moreleatheal effect.

Newbs always cry how OP auto aim missiles are but the fact is bending hellfires takes more skill than TOWs.  I will stick by that claim that hellfires requires more skill to use than tow any day of the week.

But hellfire is still too reliant on the RNG and always has been to be anything more than a novelty in Hawken.

Edited by Goyo, April 21 2014 - 04:59 AM.


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Posted April 21 2014 - 04:33 AM

Nice guide, duder, and I think the SA hawkens is a good idea, agreed.

#20 Duralumi

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Posted April 21 2014 - 04:58 AM

As it stands now, the Bruiser has awful weapon synergy between it's secondary and it's primary.

A more burst weapon would go a long way into making it more viable. As right now literally the only area where it isn't completely outdone by another mech is mid-range anti-air/fire support.

It can't duel.
It has no corner/peekaboo game unless you can see into the future by about 3 seconds.
It's sub-par at long range as the Hellfires are easily evaded at that distance, while all of it's primary weapons drop off completely.
It's sub-par at close range as well. Hellfires do less damage than a TOW and are substantially harder to hit with as well.

Personally, I'd prefer the air if they gave it these weapons instead of what it has now:
-Breacher - Bursty weapon; goes well with Hellfires (shoot, get into cover and then curve your missiles)
-Mini Flak - Shred people up close; be wary of your heat.
-SA Hawkins - Long range suppression.
Because then it would actually have options for multiple ranges instead of having three short-mid range rapid fire weapons.

I really wanna like it because it has such a delicious bodykit, but I can't look past those flaws.

Edited by Duralumi, April 21 2014 - 05:05 AM.

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