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[P3ntatonix3d]

As far as I can ascertain, the Scout is meant to be played at close ranges, being the first two weapons are flaks.

I would like to know, how much damage Breacher + EOC P vs FlakCannon + TOW. Also I would like to know Breacher vs Flak refire rate.
I using Flak as I see many Scout pilots prefer heavy damage. Now a tip that I learned to defeat a scout is to fight is at range.

Well first, I suck at range due to a sub-par mouse and HAWKEN's turning cap. Scouts I fight tend to go in my face then fly up quick enough so I cant retaliate.

I've tried to put some range in between myself and the scout but the scout manages to take my hp just enough to deal the finishing blow later on.

2nd, Predator is meant for short range being the two first weapons are shotguns. Scout is also short range but uses speed as defense. As for predator he can.... just stay sort-off invisible and wall hacks. And corner poking with a doesnt feel the same since the boost decrease from 32 m/s (2nd highest boost speed of class Bs next to Raider) to 30 m/s  (which I believe is 2nd slowest in class Bs)

Internals on my Pred are Basic Fuel Converter,Deflectors, and Air Compressor. Now with my fuzzy bunny aim, hitscan weapons, and a laptop that cant handle the game above 35 fps VS a fast dodging scout whether in the air or on ground leads me to miss shots, not because I panic but because of everything above. I also tested Breachers range, at short-medium range the minimum damage i got was 119, took a few steps back and the damage drops to like 59 or something.What can I do here_ How can I fight back_

Further info is
Sensitivity is 15 in-game
Mouse dpi is unknown (non-gaming mouse)

[EliteShooter]

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[P3ntatonix3d]

So the scout does have better DPS on Flak and better burst with TOW Flak combo

[Meraple]

Close range:
Spread EOC pucks on the floor where the Scout will be.
Breach 'm after they dodged.

Medium range:
Slug them twice and they have already lost the fight.
You're superior over FLAK Scouts at medium range thanks to your Breacher's slug mode.

Edited by Meraple, May 24 2014 - 09:45 AM.

[P3ntatonix3d]

Meraple, on May 24 2014 - 09:41 AM, said:

Close range:
Spread EOC pucks on the floor where the Scout will be.
Breach 'm after they dodged.

Medium range:
Slug them twice and they have already lost the fight.
You're superior over FLAK Scouts at medium range thanks to your Breacher's slug mode.

I cant lay down the mines since they keep flying with their Air Compressys but I'll try to manual detonate. These people Im fighting know how to dodge, every time their dodge cool-down finishes, they just know to dodge.  And as for the medium range, well, i still suck at range no matter what weapon. Heat Cannons, Sabot, KE Sabot, TOW i suck at them all

[Meraple]

P3ntatonix3d, on May 24 2014 - 10:01 AM, said:

Meraple, on May 24 2014 - 09:41 AM, said:

Close range:
Spread EOC pucks on the floor where the Scout will be.
Breach 'm after they dodged.

Medium range:
Slug them twice and they have already lost the fight.
You're superior over FLAK Scouts at medium range thanks to your Breacher's slug mode.

I cant lay down the mines since they keep flying with their Air Compressys but I'll try to manual detonate. These people Im fighting know how to dodge, every time their dodge cool-down finishes, they just know to dodge.  And as for the medium range, well, i still suck at range no matter what weapon. Heat Cannons, Sabot, KE Sabot, TOW i suck at them all

If they dodge EVERY time their dodge CD finishes they don't know how to dodge at all.
They simply spam SHIFT.

If you suck at medium range I can't help you at that.

If you can't lay down mines, learn how to make direct hits with the EOC P after they did an air dodge.


E: If they keep flying, just go around a corner.
They'll waste their fuel.

Edited by Meraple, May 24 2014 - 10:05 AM.

[Meraple]

As a side note, please don't tell me I don't know how to counter Scouts in straight-on fire fights.
I've killed alot of 2100+ MMR Scouts by doing what I described for you.

[P3ntatonix3d]

Meraple, on May 24 2014 - 10:09 AM, said:

As a side note, please don't tell me I don't know how to counter Scouts in straight-on fire fights.
I've killed alot of 2100+ MMR Scouts by doing what I described for you.

I saw your predator videos man, thats where I (try to) get your playstyle and adopt it but I fail miserably.

[Battlesbreak]

Well what I learned from being Predator against Scouts you either set up trap just in case if you get flanked. I mostly set up the trap on wall so they will hit it no matter what they do.

[Meraple]

P3ntatonix3d, on May 24 2014 - 10:26 AM, said:

Meraple, on May 24 2014 - 10:09 AM, said:

As a side note, please don't tell me I don't know how to counter Scouts in straight-on fire fights.
I've killed alot of 2100+ MMR Scouts by doing what I described for you.

I saw your predator videos man, thats where I (try to) get your playstyle and adopt it but I fail miserably.

Hm, you play in the EU Servers_
We could do some 1v1's.

[P3ntatonix3d]

Meraple, on May 24 2014 - 02:01 PM, said:

P3ntatonix3d, on May 24 2014 - 10:26 AM, said:

Meraple, on May 24 2014 - 10:09 AM, said:

As a side note, please don't tell me I don't know how to counter Scouts in straight-on fire fights.
I've killed alot of 2100+ MMR Scouts by doing what I described for you.

I saw your predator videos man, thats where I (try to) get your playstyle and adopt it but I fail miserably.

Hm, you play in the EU Servers_
We could do some 1v1's.

No but I do play on Singapore and sometimes Australia

[mccrorie]

Meraple, on May 24 2014 - 09:41 AM, said:

Close range:
Spread EOC pucks on the floor where the Scout will be.
Breach 'm after they dodged.

Medium range:
Slug them twice and they have already lost the fight.
You're superior over FLAK Scouts at medium range thanks to your Breacher's slug mode.

on the floor where they will be_

how you figure_ what if they hover and AC dodge_

guesswork...

a good scout will not give you the chance to fire slug more than two or three times, meaning you have to hit everything or you're toast.

only good advice is to be awesome with aim and have great ping. :l

also breacher spread is extremely bad. worse than flak

Edited by mccrorie, May 25 2014 - 02:16 PM.

[SoldierHobbes11]

Lead scouts into a trap as a predator, never try to duel one. Scouts are easily the best mechs in a 1v1 stand-off and the Predator is on the lower half of that list. Unless you get the jump on the scout, retreat while fighting one. Scouts want you to advance on them so they can pop a TOW into your face with ease.

[86]

the best way to take down a scout with a predator is to land the first hit, if u are a predator i usually keep my T32 bolt and eoc predator handy, i can fire the bolt and eoc pred simultaneously and that usually lands 150-ish damage on them, after that is all down to reflexes and aim. Sometimes my pucks miss and land all over the ground. If the scout you are up against likes to flank you in circles, try to make sure the pucks u fired but missed land at a radius that the scout will most likely cover during flanking and chances are the mines would make the kill.

[Meraple]

mccrorie, on May 25 2014 - 02:16 PM, said:

Meraple, on May 24 2014 - 09:41 AM, said:

Close range:
Spread EOC pucks on the floor where the Scout will be.
Breach 'm after they dodged.

Medium range:
Slug them twice and they have already lost the fight.
You're superior over FLAK Scouts at medium range thanks to your Breacher's slug mode.

on the floor where they will be_

how you figure_ what if they hover and AC dodge_

guesswork...

How do you think I know WHEN to dodge, at the precise moment they fire their TOW_
It's guesswork, but it's pretty accurate.

mccrorie, on May 25 2014 - 02:16 PM, said:

a good scout will not give you the chance to fire slug more than two or three times, meaning you have to hit everything or you're toast.

only good advice is to be awesome with aim and have great ping. :l

Ofcourse you have to hit everything, considering the long re-fire rate.