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[Aregon]

TwentyFirstPilot, on June 27 2014 - 03:06 PM, said:

Superkamikazee, on June 27 2014 - 12:30 PM, said:

Not happy with Hawken_ Vote with your wallet, I know I have. I care less and less each day about Hawken now that I've stopped buying anything in the game. Continually purchasing things in a Free to Play game means you're investing yourself in that game, supporting it if you will, and even more so if it's STILL IN GOD DAMN BETA for almost 2 YEARS!

If you care so little about Hawken, why do you continue to whine about it on the forums_

I remember when I was like you Padawan. Those where the days.

Soon you will understand. Soon^TM

[AsianJoyKiller]

TwentyFirstPilot, on June 27 2014 - 03:06 PM, said:

Superkamikazee, on June 27 2014 - 12:30 PM, said:

Not happy with Hawken_ Vote with your wallet, I know I have. I care less and less each day about Hawken now that I've stopped buying anything in the game. Continually purchasing things in a Free to Play game means you're investing yourself in that game, supporting it if you will, and even more so if it's STILL IN GOD DAMN BETA for almost 2 YEARS!

If you care so little about Hawken, why do you continue to whine about it on the forums_

You've made an assumption here that he cares so little, that he's to the point where he doesn't care to play the game or hope it succeeds.
Of course, that's false.

It's obvious he still cares and wants to see the game succeed, otherwise he wouldn't still be here complaining. Just because someone cares less than they did before, even to the point that they won't support the game monetarily, does not mean they don't care at all.

You have to open your mind and realize that being displeased with something does not mean not caring, and that complaints and critiques are actually an alternate form of support. People complain because they're trying to improve the game by directing it away from things they don't like.

[Ashfire908]

AsianJoyKiller, on June 27 2014 - 05:12 PM, said:

TwentyFirstPilot, on June 27 2014 - 03:06 PM, said:

Superkamikazee, on June 27 2014 - 12:30 PM, said:

Not happy with Hawken_ Vote with your wallet, I know I have. I care less and less each day about Hawken now that I've stopped buying anything in the game. Continually purchasing things in a Free to Play game means you're investing yourself in that game, supporting it if you will, and even more so if it's STILL IN GOD DAMN BETA for almost 2 YEARS!

If you care so little about Hawken, why do you continue to whine about it on the forums_

You've made an assumption here that he cares so little, that he's to the point where he doesn't care to play the game or hope it succeeds.
Of course, that's false.

It's obvious he still cares and wants to see the game succeed, otherwise he wouldn't still be here complaining. Just because someone cares less than they did before, even to the point that they won't support the game monetarily, does not mean they don't care at all.

You have to open your mind and realize that being displeased with something does not mean not caring, and that complaints and critiques are actually an alternate form of support. People complain because they're trying to improve the game by directing it away from things they don't like.

If the only way of showing someone cares about something is to constantly declare how bad it is, they are pretty terrible at 'supporting' things. There's a difference between constructive criticism and feedback, and just saying how bad something is the whole time.

edit: had to fix quotes which broke randomly

Edited by Ashfire908, June 27 2014 - 06:29 PM.

[Dekkion]

Im very happy with Hawken. Fell in love with since the first contact (the gameplay video), and now i've done a little upgrade just because of it.
But in life, not all things are tender flowers, and some details could make it almost perfect: (Edit: the FIXING at some details)

• The constant crashes
I enter a match, often mid or late game, play and finish it. If it dont crash on the score screen, it goes to the debriefing. after the few seconds waiting, the next match loads. This is the time to crash for sure. Asa result, im crashing on 1 to 2 matches =(
I've tried every way that i found on forums, and the problem persists (it is not my pc, i believe). Maybe it is a point for other forum, but i just wanted to register that "frustration" feeling.

• The lack of a story/campaign mode (please ^^).

• The lack of 4-leg mechs, or some "exotic" engineering, as crawler tracks etc (after seeing some 4-legged mechas from Khang Le artwork, i've gone nuts =D)

Thanks for your patience

Edited by Dekkion, June 27 2014 - 06:04 PM.

[TwentyFirstPilot]

AsianJoyKiller, on June 27 2014 - 05:12 PM, said:

You've made an assumption here that he cares so little, that he's to the point where he doesn't care to play the game or hope it succeeds.
Of course, that's false.

It's obvious he still cares and wants to see the game succeed, otherwise he wouldn't still be here complaining. Just because someone cares less than they did before, even to the point that they won't support the game monetarily, does not mean they don't care at all.

You have to open your mind and realize that being displeased with something does not mean not caring, and that complaints and critiques are actually an alternate form of support. People complain because they're trying to improve the game by directing it away from things they don't like.

Criticism is awesome, critique is awesome. Both are the primary ways anyone improves at any thing. I, however, see a sharp difference between criticizing something and complaining about it, which is all but worthless because it provides a negative emotion as feedback and nothing else. No ideas to make things better, no thoughts to help the person targeted improve.

Perhaps Kami has posed some worthwhile ideas in the past-- that's great. Perhaps they weren't listened to-- that's not great. Perhaps Kami is frustrated by that, so he vents here-- that's not great. If these guesses are accurate, Kami has shifted from a position that provides valuable feedback to one that provides tired complaints, which are moderately useful, but not nearly as much as the former.

[AsianJoyKiller]

Ashfire908, on June 27 2014 - 05:51 PM, said:

AsianJoyKiller, on June 27 2014 - 05:12 PM, said:

TwentyFirstPilot, on June 27 2014 - 03:06 PM, said:

Superkamikazee, on June 27 2014 - 12:30 PM, said:

Not happy with Hawken_ Vote with your wallet, I know I have. I care less and less each day about Hawken now that I've stopped buying anything in the game. Continually purchasing things in a Free to Play game means you're investing yourself in that game, supporting it if you will, and even more so if it's STILL IN GOD DAMN BETA for almost 2 YEARS!

If you care so little about Hawken, why do you continue to whine about it on the forums_

You've made an assumption here that he cares so little, that he's to the point where he doesn't care to play the game or hope it succeeds.
Of course, that's false.

It's obvious he still cares and wants to see the game succeed, otherwise he wouldn't still be here complaining. Just because someone cares less than they did before, even to the point that they won't support the game monetarily, does not mean they don't care at all.

You have to open your mind and realize that being displeased with something does not mean not caring, and that complaints and critiques are actually an alternate form of support. People complain because they're trying to improve the game by directing it away from things they don't like.

If the only way of showing someone cares about something is to constantly declare how bad it is, they are pretty terrible at 'supporting' things. There's a difference between constructive criticism and feedback, and just saying how bad something is the whole time.

edit: had to fix quotes which broke randomly

TwentyFirstPilot, on June 27 2014 - 06:10 PM, said:

AsianJoyKiller, on June 27 2014 - 05:12 PM, said:

You've made an assumption here that he cares so little, that he's to the point where he doesn't care to play the game or hope it succeeds.
Of course, that's false.

It's obvious he still cares and wants to see the game succeed, otherwise he wouldn't still be here complaining. Just because someone cares less than they did before, even to the point that they won't support the game monetarily, does not mean they don't care at all.

You have to open your mind and realize that being displeased with something does not mean not caring, and that complaints and critiques are actually an alternate form of support. People complain because they're trying to improve the game by directing it away from things they don't like.

Criticism is awesome, critique is awesome. Both are the primary ways anyone improves at any thing. I, however, see a sharp difference between criticizing something and complaining about it, which is all but worthless because it provides a negative emotion as feedback and nothing else. No ideas to make things better, no thoughts to help the person targeted improve.

Perhaps Kami has posed some worthwhile ideas in the past-- that's great. Perhaps they weren't listened to-- that's not great. Perhaps Kami is frustrated by that, so he vents here-- that's not great. If these guesses are accurate, Kami has shifted from a position that provides valuable feedback to one that provides tired complaints, which are moderately useful, but not nearly as much as the former.

To reply to both of you, the question was, "Why keep complaining if you care so little_"
And that's all I attempted to answer.

TwentyFirstPilot, I'd say you were asking Kami the wrong question. You should be asking him why he's complaining about nebulous and abstract concepts, and why he's not addressing the specific issues that make him feel that way.

[UncleBlitz]

lol... this "quotes fix" is quite a fail

[Hijinks_The_Turtle]

Ashfire908, on June 27 2014 - 05:51 PM, said:

AsianJoyKiller, on June 27 2014 - 05:12 PM, said:

TwentyFirstPilot, on June 27 2014 - 03:06 PM, said:

Superkamikazee, on June 27 2014 - 12:30 PM, said:

Not happy with Hawken_ Vote with your wallet, I know I have. I care less and less each day about Hawken now that I've stopped buying anything in the game. Continually purchasing things in a Free to Play game means you're investing yourself in that game, supporting it if you will, and even more so if it's STILL IN GOD DAMN BETA for almost 2 YEARS!

If you care so little about Hawken, why do you continue to whine about it on the forums_

You've made an assumption here that he cares so little, that he's to the point where he doesn't care to play the game or hope it succeeds.
Of course, that's false.

It's obvious he still cares and wants to see the game succeed, otherwise he wouldn't still be here complaining. Just because someone cares less than they did before, even to the point that they won't support the game monetarily, does not mean they don't care at all.

You have to open your mind and realize that being displeased with something does not mean not caring, and that complaints and critiques are actually an alternate form of support. People complain because they're trying to improve the game by directing it away from things they don't like.

If the only way of showing someone cares about something is to constantly declare how bad it is, they are pretty terrible at 'supporting' things. There's a difference between constructive criticism and feedback, and just saying how bad something is the whole time.

edit: had to fix quotes which broke randomly

Maybe the person is tsundere. xD

[TwentyFirstPilot]

AsianJoyKiller, on June 27 2014 - 06:54 PM, said:

To reply to both of you, the question was, "Why keep complaining if you care so little_"
And that's all I attempted to answer.

TwentyFirstPilot, I'd say you were asking Kami the wrong question. You should be asking him why he's complaining about nebulous and abstract concepts, and why he's not addressing the specific issues that make him feel that way.

Fair enough. I suppose I assume that if one cares about something, they'll provide what I consider worthwhile criticism. That being, criticism designed to help improve whatever is being criticized. It's true that I may be seeing the aftereffects of that sort of criticism being ignored. Even if that were the case, would that warrant Kami's reaction which I'm trying to come to terms with_ Maybe. But I as an outsider only see this, and it frustrates me.

[Barbie_in_a_Mech]

[HWK]HUGHES, on June 06 2014 - 04:45 PM, said:

I haven't been as visible on the forums myself over the past couple of months because I've been spending my time on something different for HAWKEN.

I'm afraid that a lot of people didn't notice the "for" in the sentence.  In the news comment section, people seemed to gather from it that he is working on a project unrelated to Hawken. I doubt he meant that.

shosca, on June 27 2014 - 07:05 AM, said:

I'd rather have them fix bugs or work on other stuff, than waste time on forums to appease needy clingy pilots that want an update every minute of the day...

1) Even if they take as much as 30-60 minutes per day to read the forums and show that they're still alive, it would result in more trusting, loyal and pleased customers.
2) I'm certain that the process of working on a game or moving a database requires a lot of waiting. It's not manual labor. Taking half an hour each day to participate on the forums shouldn't even affect the "real" work all that much.

This lack of communication does not appear as an efficient use of their time to me because the current result is that people are unsatisfied and make threads that act as huge warning signs to newcomers.  We're not asking to be notified each time one of them goes to the toilet.

OmegaNull, on June 26 2014 - 09:32 PM, said:

So moving servers over to new ones and making sure everything works right, patch bugs, add content (if any), and overall improve server side things is not a lot of work_

You people have no clue what a task the Devs have been doing for the last month. Try moving a live environment.

We do know.  Their work schedule typically consists of running on the hamster wheel from 6:00 to 21:00 and the breaks they are given are barely enough for them to catch their breath.
The reason why Hughes is able to post here at all is because he hurt his right foot on the wheel, so he was given a few hours that he can use outside of the wheel, but he has to spend them wisely throughout the week if he doesn't wanna get whipped.

Edited by Barbie_in_a_Mech, June 28 2014 - 08:16 AM.

[Odinous]

the problem is that complaining sometimes is reaching a level of annoyance,and I told before that its destructive for new players to see when they join this game..cause we are giving them to think that this game is dead..and its not!

[Superkamikazee]

Ashfire908, on June 27 2014 - 05:51 PM, said:

AsianJoyKiller, on June 27 2014 - 05:12 PM, said:

TwentyFirstPilot, on June 27 2014 - 03:06 PM, said:

Superkamikazee, on June 27 2014 - 12:30 PM, said:

Not happy with Hawken_ Vote with your wallet, I know I have. I care less and less each day about Hawken now that I've stopped buying anything in the game. Continually purchasing things in a Free to Play game means you're investing yourself in that game, supporting it if you will, and even more so if it's STILL IN GOD DAMN BETA for almost 2 YEARS!

If you care so little about Hawken, why do you continue to whine about it on the forums_

You've made an assumption here that he cares so little, that he's to the point where he doesn't care to play the game or hope it succeeds.
Of course, that's false.

It's obvious he still cares and wants to see the game succeed, otherwise he wouldn't still be here complaining. Just because someone cares less than they did before, even to the point that they won't support the game monetarily, does not mean they don't care at all.

You have to open your mind and realize that being displeased with something does not mean not caring, and that complaints and critiques are actually an alternate form of support. People complain because they're trying to improve the game by directing it away from things they don't like.

If the only way of showing someone cares about something is to constantly declare how bad it is, they are pretty terrible at 'supporting' things. There's a difference between constructive criticism and feedback, and just saying how bad something is the whole time.

edit: had to fix quotes which broke randomly

The only support that matters when it comes to games is monetary, copies sold, or in game content purchased within the free to play model. Mentioning my displeasure of the game is a reminder to the devs I'm not happy, and not spending any cash within the game reaffirms that.

I've already expressed is past threads what my issues were and are with the game, which makes little difference since the devs mentioned the meta is what it is, and it's the new Hawken. I'm sticking around to witness a miracle turn around, or perhaps it's a case of watching a train wreck and not being able to look away.

Edited by Superkamikazee, June 28 2014 - 10:04 AM.

[_incitatus]

Update has been posted...

https://community.pl...087#entry545087

[dontmindme]

_incitatus, on June 28 2014 - 04:59 PM, said:

Update has been posted...

https://community.pl...087#entry545087

.. we know.

[_incitatus]

dontmindme, on June 28 2014 - 10:44 PM, said:

_incitatus, on June 28 2014 - 04:59 PM, said:

Update has been posted...

https://community.pl...087#entry545087

.. we know.

You're welcome.

[Skrill]

Thanks for the response Hughes! The update is much more than I was hoping for. Honestly I was expecting a picture of a white board  covered in post its Good luck with the servers I know that they can be rough and again, thanks for the update!

[ropefish]

is this a bad time to come out of cryo_

okay ill just....*walks back to cryo pod*

[Aims]

ropefish, on June 30 2014 - 03:38 AM, said:

is this a bad time to come out of cryo_

okay ill just....*walks back to cryo pod*

Haha. I think many of us have been feeling the same way. Gotta ride it out and hope the vocal minority doesn't ruin things.

[The_Silencer]

I've been nicely playing on several regions today and without any problem.. so.. what_

Time to lock on this thread_

I think it is... really.

[IronClamp]

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