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does everyone still think that scout is op and is the devil and anyone who drives one is a satanist_  (i mean, i may be; but it has no bearing on my mech choice...)



i'm of the opinion that the assault fills that role now, followed closely by the clones (van, crt, & zerk) though they still don't seem to get the same amount of hate that follows the scout.  everyone just follows suit and runs automatics to eek out every advantage while denying that they are following the meta...

Edited by phed, September 22 2014 - 01:13 PM.

[TwentyFirstPilot]

The Assault is meant to be powerful, and easy to pilot. The problem with it is that it is.

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TwentyFirstPilot, on September 19 2014 - 09:01 AM, said:

The Assault is meant to be powerful, and easy to pilot. The problem with it is that it is.

i think that was meant to be the crt...  the assault (as i understood it) was just meant to be an extra crt...  though tbh, since ascension i have no idea what the devs intentions are.

[TwentyFirstPilot]

phed, on September 19 2014 - 09:03 AM, said:

TwentyFirstPilot, on September 19 2014 - 09:01 AM, said:

The Assault is meant to be powerful, and easy to pilot. The problem with it is that it is.

i think that was meant to be the crt...  the assault (as i understood it) was just meant to be an extra crt...  though tbh, since ascension i have no idea what the devs intentions are.

I consider the Assault and the CRT one mech, due to their weapon selections and abilities.

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TwentyFirstPilot, on September 19 2014 - 09:07 AM, said:

phed, on September 19 2014 - 09:03 AM, said:

TwentyFirstPilot, on September 19 2014 - 09:01 AM, said:

The Assault is meant to be powerful, and easy to pilot. The problem with it is that it is.

i think that was meant to be the crt...  the assault (as i understood it) was just meant to be an extra crt...  though tbh, since ascension i have no idea what the devs intentions are.

I consider the Assault and the CRT one mech, due to their weapon selections and abilities.

i can see that, they are very close, but i think that the air dynamics and speed give the assault the edge.  since their stats were differentiated i have to consider them as separate animals.

[Pelax]

All hail Scout the OP King!!!

[Miscellaneous]

Why do none of these polls have a "Fredator" Option_  D: *Despairs*

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Pelax, on September 19 2014 - 09:24 AM, said:

All hail Scout the OP King!!!

Credit where it's due, that pic was my inspiration, as well as that bag full of hate I've collected

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Miscellaneous, on September 19 2014 - 09:29 AM, said:

Why do none of these polls have a "Fredator" Option_  D: *Despairs*

I don't get it...  crt-recruit is there (default chassis is fred) and the predator is there...  It's all alphabetical -from memory! Ha!

[spo0n]

Different axes are more or less powerful in different situations.

If you put a scout and an assault on a flat plane with no cover the assault should win.  If they are in a tunnel network the scout would win, but be quickly killed by a gren.  If everyone has a tech following them the incinerator is the winner, unless it gets emped six times in a row.

Scout can't carry quite as well as it could before, incin assault and vanguard are all good for that as they are a powerhouse almost anywhere.

Preds are always nice in dm, the wall hack and invisibility allow you to take advantage of situations much more effectively than anyone else, unless people play specifically against you, but that usually gets them killed by an opportunist.

[comic_sans]

I'd argue a vulcan gren can pull the most weight in the most situations, right now.  If you can get 2 nades on or near a scout, they're toast.  If you can get the incin before he spins up or kite with the nade for a bit, he's gone.  Preds are their own weird problem and your mileage may vary.

[Flifang]

I voted incinerator because it's bulky, it's fast, and it does too much fuzzy bunny damage. Actually, I'm fine with it's damage but the fact that almost all of it is aoe and that it can inevitably sustain it makes it a team roller. I have witnessed the mere presence of a lone incinerator make an ENTIRE team flee. And what's even worse is they all flee in the same direction in a straight line. Or one guy stands there takes the aoe and shares it with teammates around him trying for dear life to get past.
I don't play incinerator often unless the enemy team has at least two of their own because I got so tired of how broken the darn thing is.

[Amidatelion]

The Assault isn't OP, it's just good - at everything. It will not dominate in any one situation, but it will hold its own in all, no exceptions. The only counterplay is to be better or put it in a position where you have the advantage. So I would say that it is absolutely powerful... but not enough in any one situation to be OP.

The Incincerator isn't OP, but its effect on the team can be. For example, someone mentioned the vanguard as a clone of the Assault. I completely disagree, because it isn't... until you pair it with an Incinerator and then it will fire all goddamn day and not give a fuzz about overheating without the use of an ability and straight up have more HP. And that's just a minor bonus. An incin with a tech is a goddamn nightmare. A good incin and a good tech will win their team the game. A good incin and a good tech that are used to playing together and are communicating are hell on EARTH.

[EliteShooter]

phed, on September 19 2014 - 08:58 AM, said:

though they still don't seem to get the same amount of hate that follows the scout.

DA SPEEDS!

[TwentyFirstPilot]

Amidatelion, on September 19 2014 - 11:28 AM, said:

The Assault isn't OP, it's just good - at everything. It will not dominate in any one situation, but it will hold its own in all, no exceptions. The only counterplay is to be better or put it in a position where you have the advantage. So I would say that it is absolutely powerful... but not enough in any one situation to be OP.

You could argue that versatility like that is overpowered.

I lean towards that line of thought.

[Amidatelion]

TwentyFirstPilot, on September 19 2014 - 11:46 AM, said:

Amidatelion, on September 19 2014 - 11:28 AM, said:

The Assault isn't OP, it's just good - at everything. It will not dominate in any one situation, but it will hold its own in all, no exceptions. The only counterplay is to be better or put it in a position where you have the advantage. So I would say that it is absolutely powerful... but not enough in any one situation to be OP.

You could argue that versatility like that is overpowered.

I lean towards that line of thought.

Well, we are all welcome to our own viewpoints.

I just see versatility and actual deployment of force - OPness - as two different things.

[TwentyFirstPilot]

Amidatelion, on September 19 2014 - 12:14 PM, said:

TwentyFirstPilot, on September 19 2014 - 11:46 AM, said:

Amidatelion, on September 19 2014 - 11:28 AM, said:

The Assault isn't OP, it's just good - at everything. It will not dominate in any one situation, but it will hold its own in all, no exceptions. The only counterplay is to be better or put it in a position where you have the advantage. So I would say that it is absolutely powerful... but not enough in any one situation to be OP.

You could argue that versatility like that is overpowered.

I lean towards that line of thought.

Well, we are all welcome to our own viewpoints.

I just see versatility and actual deployment of force - OPness - as two different things.

Don't get me wrong, they certainly can be.

However, if something's too versatile, wouldn't you also say it's too powerful_ Of course, whether or not the Assault is too versatile is a matter of opinion. I'm just trying to explain where I come from.

[Amidatelion]

Not really, as versatility often leads to a confusion of purpose: there's so much you can do that your options cloud your view of what needs to be done. The inability to see a tree for the forest, if you will.

It also leads to a user confusion between ability and execution... just because you are able to do something doesn't mean you can. Sure, you are able to take that Scout in a straight up match because of good mobility and good HP. But that doesn't mean you can. You start the fight and the scout pulls you into a cornerplay duel and you lose.

Versatility is a plethora of theoretical attributes that you can apply to an objective, whereas the quality of overpoweredness is a practical application of one or more attributes. And even with all its theoretically good attributes, the application of any up to all of them does not lead to a state of overpoweredness in the Assault.

Merl made a good point last night in a discussion: the Assault shouldn't exist with the CRT. He had a different logic behind it, but in my opinion the Assault is only over-powered relative to the CRT and that is more a failing of the CRT. Sure, the CRT is better at a few things and worse in others, but none of the things that it is better at have a practical application. The larger radar range and better fuel tank are things that any experienced pilot in an Assault does not need because they can circumvent them via good teamplay and not goddamn boosting all over the place. And the better overheat recovery is fuzzing pointless on a mech whose ability is putting off overheating. The Assault isn't overpowered, the CRT is underpowered in vis-a-vis the Assault and vice versa. Disclaimer: the CRT is still a perfectly viable and versatile mech, it is only in regards to the Assault that it isn't. In the wider meta they are functionally identical.

Honestly, I think the Assault is the best balanced mech in the game and it is because so many other mechs are imbalanced one way or another and to varying degrees that we think it's over-powered. If the balanced present in the Assault were present in other mechs, we'd have a very different viewpoint on it.

tl;dr: its not over-powered, it's balanced and everything else is imbalanced in some direction or another

Edited by Amidatelion, September 19 2014 - 12:56 PM.

[cornshuckerprime]

the scout is EVIL!

[Miscellaneous]

phed, on September 19 2014 - 09:46 AM, said:

Miscellaneous, on September 19 2014 - 09:29 AM, said:

Why do none of these polls have a "Fredator" Option_  D: *Despairs*

I don't get it...  crt-recruit is there (default chassis is fred) and the predator is there...  It's all alphabetical -from memory! Ha!

Look in the spolier in my sig