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Scout v. Infiltrator (while we wait)


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#1 Ollie

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Posted November 20 2012 - 07:26 AM

You can get into the garage in CB3 now, and there are new mech types available.

The Scout swaps out the "mini flak" for the primary, the "flak" for the alt primary, and TOW rockets as a secondary.  Special ability quickly replenishes fuel.

For those that were playing Infiltrators, is this enough to sway you from your previous choice_  I'm honestly torn, but don't want to dump buckets of time into the beta when I know I love Infil.
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#2 D20Face

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Posted November 20 2012 - 07:37 AM

You guys are in for a world of hurt.

Edited by D20Face, November 20 2012 - 07:37 AM.


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Posted November 20 2012 - 07:41 AM

I did not make myself clear in my original post and do not wish to clarify myself at this time i have therefore removed my previous statement.

Edited by h0B0, November 20 2012 - 10:24 AM.

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Posted November 20 2012 - 07:53 AM

Pffft.
The only change I'm making to my HEAT/GL escapades is I'll be gaining a few pounds.

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Edited by AsianJoyKiller, November 20 2012 - 07:54 AM.

[HWK]HUGHES, on July 03 2013 - 11:07 PM, said:

AJK is right

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Posted November 20 2012 - 07:57 AM

View PostAsianJoyKiller, on November 20 2012 - 07:53 AM, said:

The only change I'm making to my HEAT/GL escapades is I'll be gaining a few pounds.
Unless the Rev-GL ends up being awesome.

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Posted November 20 2012 - 08:02 AM

I haven't been able to play an amazing amount of time the last few betas... What's changing this time around in regards to the infiltrator_ Also, did they balance the miniflak yet_

Edited by GunsnButter, November 20 2012 - 08:02 AM.


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Posted November 20 2012 - 08:05 AM

I think the scout and the infiltrator will be kicking it. I'm worried more about the berserker being left in the dust. Any berserker fans want to share some thoughts_

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Posted November 20 2012 - 08:05 AM

According to the numbers on the page(which are always flawed) mini-flak does 64 damage 2.5 times a second.

So yeah, it should be a little better.

Edited by D20Face, November 20 2012 - 08:05 AM.


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Posted November 20 2012 - 08:07 AM

View PostD20Face, on November 20 2012 - 08:05 AM, said:

According to the numbers on the page(which are always flawed) mini-flak does 64 damage 2.5 times a second.

So yeah, it should be a little better.
This should be sufficient.
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#10 D20Face

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Posted November 20 2012 - 08:11 AM

It also looks like the Point D got a bit of a nerf. 12 damage with 8.3 hits a second. 99.6 dps.

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Posted November 20 2012 - 08:13 AM

View PostD20Face, on November 20 2012 - 08:11 AM, said:

It also looks like the Point D got a bit of a nerf. 12 damage with 8.3 hits a second. 99.6 dps.
Er.... wasn't it 14 damage at 6 hits a second previously_

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Posted November 20 2012 - 08:13 AM

View PostCulex, on November 20 2012 - 08:05 AM, said:

I think the scout and the infiltrator will be kicking it. I'm worried more about the berserker being left in the dust. Any berserker fans want to share some thoughts_
Oh no,  trust me my friend, I'll be abusing the beserker just as much as I did in CB2, but with the return of my beloved bruiser, I may have a secondary now...
The Beserker caters towards the crowd that likes to do consistent damage, while the infiltrator and the scout cater towards those who like to do burst damage.

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#13 D20Face

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Posted November 20 2012 - 08:14 AM

View PostGunsnButter, on November 20 2012 - 08:13 AM, said:

Er.... wasn't it 14 damage at 6 hits a second previously_
I could have sworn last time I ran the numbers it had around 130 dps.

#14 Ollie

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Posted November 20 2012 - 08:15 AM

I admit to being excited that I don't have to worry about point blanking a HEAT cannon in my own face.  That's pretty cool.  Where's the page with the numbers_

I think camo seems like it might outperform the fuel recovery system, although the latter means I might not have to dump so many points into movement on the infil.  I like my glass cannons bursty, so I'm not sure I'll swap.  We'll see.

The bruiser does look pretty ridiculous though.
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Posted November 20 2012 - 08:16 AM

View PostD20Face, on November 20 2012 - 08:14 AM, said:

View PostGunsnButter, on November 20 2012 - 08:13 AM, said:

Er.... wasn't it 14 damage at 6 hits a second previously_
I could have sworn last time I ran the numbers it had around 130 dps.
It looks as if some guns took a nerfing if the numbers are in game are to be believed.
SMC doing around 70-something, AR around 80ish.
SA got a buff.

But again, not sure we can believe these numbers until the game goes live and everything is "current".

[HWK]HUGHES, on July 03 2013 - 11:07 PM, said:

AJK is right

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Posted November 20 2012 - 08:17 AM

View PostOllie, on November 20 2012 - 08:15 AM, said:

Where's the page with the numbers_
If you hover over the little bars in the mech shop/garage it shows exact numbers.

But they miss a lot of input for real damage values. For instance the Heat does different damage when charged and the EOC Repeater has both direct hit damage and explosion damage.

View PostAsianJoyKiller, on November 20 2012 - 08:16 AM, said:

But again, not sure we can believe these numbers until the game goes live and everything is "current".
Pretty much this, this is just a cursory scan.

Edited by D20Face, November 20 2012 - 08:20 AM.


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Posted November 20 2012 - 08:35 AM

how have you been able to get into the game, i have been getting an error message since i patched last night, took screens and logged off.

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Posted November 20 2012 - 08:41 AM

View Posth0B0, on November 20 2012 - 08:35 AM, said:

how have you been able to get into the game, i have been getting an error message since i patched last night, took screens and logged off.

It looks like we can get in once after patching.  Then we have to wait for the start of CB3
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Posted November 20 2012 - 08:43 AM

View Posth0B0, on November 20 2012 - 08:35 AM, said:

how have you been able to get into the game, i have been getting an error message since i patched last night, took screens and logged off.
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Posted November 20 2012 - 08:55 AM

View PostLazyTheGypsy, on November 20 2012 - 08:13 AM, said:

Oh no,  trust me my friend, I'll be abusing the beserker just as much as I did in CB2, but with the return of my beloved bruiser, I may have a secondary now...
The Beserker caters towards the crowd that likes to do consistent damage, while the infiltrator and the scout cater towards those who like to do burst damage.

I have been away from my desktop since I went north for Thanksgiving. So I'm wondering, is the scout a light mech_
Because if so I will probably trade in my berserker for it. I always wanted a miniflak on my Berserker so that will work out nicely. Also I was never really a huge fan of the Weapon Damage ability.




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