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[UCC0]

Someone said that he's derping... but I don't think seen ever before the real derping...
...not sure why I'm posting this... do what ever you want with it...

[VYR3]

I might record a video tomorrow to get some feed back

[Arx_17]

nepacaka, on January 20 2014 - 11:10 PM, said:

Xacius, maybe you know where i can watching some videos, i mean, from players with more skill than I (for teaching purposes), And play on Brawler with SA. I searched a few videos on youtube, but most of them die like me and contain similar errors =Ъ. And the very few amount of clips on SA Brawler, 90% use flak-cannon. I mean, there is someone who plays with SA like a pro =3

mexi, play's quite some C-classes.
http://www.twitch.tv...chanman/profile


And some SA-brawler play from him:
http://www.twitch.tv...man/b/498280722
http://www.twitch.tv...anman/c/3606091

He has more on his channel, i think he is one of the better c-class pilots.

[Silverfire]

UCC0, on January 25 2014 - 08:45 AM, said:

Someone said that he's derping... but I don't think seen ever before the real derping...
...not sure why I'm posting this... do what ever you want with it...

I can say a couple things about your Reaper play overall, if I may, without too many specific time stamps.

Critique:

Spoiler

I apologize in advance for any language that may seem harsh and for possible bias in the following critique.

Spoiler

First match on Origin: Try and be more patient with your shots and try zooming in more often rather than no-scoping half way across the map.  You'll be more accurate and deal more damage.  If you're more patient, you'll save your shots for when it counts.  Especially with Slug Reaper, if you miss, that's some good damage that may or not have lost you the duel.  Also try not to rush into scenarios head on, especially when you are outnumbered. For example, at 11:30, you rush head on into AA to run into 3-4 enemies with absolutely no back up.  You, as a Reaper, are not a front line type mech to dish out all the splash damage.  I actually count you lucky to have survived that encounter, due to your team mates eventually coming to back you up, but you shouldn't really ever dive head first into 3 or so full health mechs alone.  

Prosk: Right off the bat, you dive in, alone. Stick with your team.  When you're playing mid-long range, do try and scope more often. You won't waste shots and you'll do damage and support the team. Also, I've noticed that when your armor drops low, you immediately drop a shield and start repairing in the middle of the center of battle.  Don't do that, your shield will pop pretty fast and you'll have to relocate, all the while taking damage.  Pull back and find a safe spot so you don't waste repair time and possibly put yourself at risk of dying. Keep an eye on your radar after a fight.  After you killed that Bruiser at 24:15, you immediately dropped a shield and I assume you were about to start repairing. However, you failed to notice that your radar indicated that there were 3 enemies closing in on your position. You successfully evaded them but you, for some odd reason, thought you could take on 3 full health enemies with a half health Reaper, and circled right back into them and died summarily. You go kill chasing and don't recognize that you are charging straight into a bad position where you will easily get outnumbered and eventually overpowered. Look at your radar more often.

Front Line: You go kill chasing right in the beginning, not realizing that you are rushing into 3-4 enemy mechs under AA.  You land the kill but nearly die as a result. Keep an eye on your radar. at around 34:07, you see mechs under AA. Try scoping more often so you can actually land your shots.  If you want to go after someone, try and surprise them, not by rushing in with max speed.  When you boost, you put yourself on radar. A competent player would detect you and be prepared for your so-called "surprise." Walk instead of boost to keep that element of surprise.  Also, learn to know the right time to disengage.   The fight at 35:10, for example.  Once you killed the Grenadier, there were still several enemy mechs still around with a good amount of health when you were down to about half.  That would have been a good time to retreat because you were individually outnumbered.  Instead of popping the shield down, you should have fled through the tunnel under AA and repaired yourself. The fight against the Infil at 36 minutes could have been won if you didn't rush your shots.  Don't fire as soon as you reload; wait for the optimal time to fire off a dual Slug-Sabot.  Also, you failed to notice that there were 2-3 enemies behind you with very little support. The enemy team just overpowered you and you died as a result.  No offense, but I cringed when you charged 3 mechs at 37:37.  Two Cs and a Tech, and one of them was in Turret mode.  Don't dive head in against a turreted C, and 2 others.  You will not come on top very often.  You didn't that time. You had tunnel vision and went kill-chasing, ignoring the enemies around you. At 41:30ish, you should have disengaged.  You decided to stick around to land some more kills, but again, you didn't notice that you were at pretty low health.  I think you could have won that encounter if you didn't start hovering.  You are more inaccurate when you hover and missed both your Slug and Sabot shot against a nearly dead Infil and got killed.

Last Eco: The encounter at around 48:40ish, you got tunnel vision and failed to notice that you were badly out of position. You got the kill, but you died as a result of being chased from behind by enemies.  Keep an eye on your radar. Around 52:20ish, you could landed your kills faster if you didn't fire off your shots as soon as they reloaded. Wait for the right time to shoot, instead of button mashing and hoping your shots land.  Don't hope they land, make them land. At 53:45ish, you decide to jump right in the middle of the entire enemy team. You died. Still not a good thing to do.  Not a terrible match (the other team was poorly organized), but improvement is always there for you.

Overall

Spoiler

You frequently get tunnel vision and go kill-chasing, meaning you abandon your team and get badly out of position, often dying as a result. Also, try not to rush your shots. Let it reload and shoot only when you need to.  Your individual movement is decent, but your positioning (overextending mainly) and impatience with your shots are your largest downfalls; it's pretty poor in my opinion. Try to watch your radar more often, it'll work. Try scoping more often in general, but specifically when you fire at more extreme ranges, even mid range.  You'll be more accurate and you'll hit your shots.

Sorry for the walls of text and stealing Xacius' thunder.

Edited by Silverfire, January 27 2014 - 09:56 PM.

[JeffMagnum]

Silverfire, on January 26 2014 - 03:12 PM, said:

UCC0, on January 25 2014 - 08:45 AM, said:

Someone said that he's derping... but I don't think seen ever before the real derping...
...not sure why I'm posting this... do what ever you want with it...

I can say a couple things about your Reaper play overall, if I may, without too many specific time stamps.

Critique:

Spoiler

I apologize in advance for any language that may seem harsh and for possible bias in the following critique.

Spoiler

First match on Origin: Try and be more patient with your shots and try zooming in more often rather than no-scoping half way across the map.  You'll be more accurate and deal more damage.  If you're more patient, you'll save your shots for when it counts.  Especially with Slug Reaper, if you miss, that's some good damage that may or not have lost you the duel.  Also try not to rush into scenarios head on, especially when you are outnumbered. For example, at 11:30, you rush head on into AA to run into 3-4 enemies with absolutely no back up.  You, as a Reaper, are not a front line type mech to dish out all the splash damage.  I actually count you lucky to have survived that encounter, due to your team mates eventually coming to back you up, but you shouldn't really ever dive head first into 3 or so full health mechs alone.  

Prosk: Right off the bat, you dive in, alone. Stick with your team.  When you're playing mid-long range, do try and scope more often. You won't waste shots and you'll do damage and support the team. Also, I've noticed that when your armor drops low, you immediately drop a shield and start repairing in the middle of the center of battle.  Don't do that, your shield will pop pretty fast and you'll have to relocate, all the while taking damage.  Pull back and find a safe spot so you don't waste repair time and possibly put yourself at risk of dying. Keep an eye on your radar after a fight.  After you killed that Bruiser at 24:15, you immediately dropped a shield and I assume you were about to start repairing. However, you failed to notice that your radar indicated that there were 3 enemies closing in on your position. You successfully evaded them but you, for some odd reason, thought you could take on 3 full health enemies with a half health Reaper, and circled right back into them and died summarily. You go kill chasing and don't recognize that you are charging straight into a bad position where you will easily get outnumbered and eventually overpowered. Look at your radar more often.

Front Line: You go kill chasing right in the beginning, not realizing that you are rushing into 3-4 enemy mechs under AA.  You land the kill but nearly die as a result. Keep an eye on your radar. at around 34:07, you see mechs under AA. Try scoping more often so you can actually land your shots.  If you want to go after someone, try and surprise them, not by rushing in with max speed.  When you boost, you put yourself on radar. A competent player would detect you and be prepared for your so-called "surprise." Walk instead of boost to keep that element of surprise.  Also, learn to know the right time to disengage.   The fight at 35:10, for example.  Once you killed the Grenadier, there were still several enemy mechs still around with a good amount of health when you were down to about half.  That would have been a good time to retreat because you were individually outnumbered.  Instead of popping the shield down, you should have fled through the tunnel under AA and repaired yourself. The fight against the Infil at 36 minutes could have been won if you didn't rush your shots.  Don't fire as soon as you reload; wait for the optimal time to fire off a dual Slug-Sabot.  Also, you failed to notice that there were 2-3 enemies behind you with very little support. The enemy team just overpowered you and you died as a result.  No offense, but I cringed when you charged 3 mechs at 37:37.  Two Cs and a Tech, and one of them was in Turret mode.  Don't dive head in against a turreted C, and 2 others.  You will not come on top very often.  You didn't that time. You had tunnel vision and went kill-chasing, ignoring the enemies around you. At 41:30ish, you should have disengaged.  You decided to stick around to land some more kills, but again, you didn't notice that you were at pretty low health.  I think you could have won that encounter if you didn't start hovering.  You are more inaccurate when you hover and missed both your Slug and Sabot shot against a nearly dead Infil and got killed.

Last Eco: The encounter at around 48:40ish, you got tunnel vision and failed to notice that you were badly out of position. You got the kill, but you died as a result of being chased from behind by enemies.  Keep an eye on your radar. Around 52:20ish, you could landed your kills faster if you didn't fire off your shots as soon as they reloaded. Wait for the right time to shoot, instead of button mashing and hoping your shots land.  Don't hope they land, make them land. At 53:45ish, you decide to jump right in the middle of the entire enemy team. You died. Still not a good thing to do.  Not a terrible match, but improvement is always there for you.

Overall

Spoiler

You frequently get tunnel vision and go kill-chasing, meaning you abandon your team and get badly out of position, often dying as a result. Also, try not to rush your shots. Let it reload and shoot only when you need to.  Your individual movement is decent, but your positioning and impatience with your shots are your largest downfalls; it's pretty poor in my opinion. Try to watch your radar more often, it'll work. Try scoping more often in general, but specifically when you fire at more extreme ranges, even mid range.  You'll be more accurate and you'll hit your shots.

Sorry for the walls of text.

I agree with the majority of this, but I do have to commend you on using dodges to help you aim and turn more quickly. A surprising amount of people don't correct their aim until their dodge is finished, and that results in them being unable to fight in CQC effectively because other mechs can easily get out of their FOV. I don't think it's possible to be good at the game until you can aim with your feet--you still need to work on it, but it's better than what a lot of people do.

[breadeffect]

UCC0, on January 25 2014 - 08:45 AM, said:

Someone said that he's derping... but I don't think seen ever before the real derping...
...not sure why I'm posting this... do what ever you want with it...

What the hell do you listen to man_  I really need all of these songs linked stat so I can fuzzy bunny them.  They're glorious as hell.

[DennisKnightPC]

breadeffect, on January 26 2014 - 07:34 PM, said:

I really need all of these songs linked stat so I can fuzzy bunny TO them.

You missed a word out

[Kvalheim]

@DennisKnightPC Oh hey, someone from Edinburgh, I used to live there

I did some videos purely as more of a test to see if I could record live gameplay on my new PC. Turned out pretty okay methinks. First one was Fraps, second was Nvidia ShadowPlay

Edited by Kvalheim, January 27 2014 - 02:23 AM.

[Daronicus]

So just to give some people an idea of what goes through my head while I play, I thought I'd post a vid and talk a little about what I did right, what I did wrong, and why I did it.  Just a note that this is just a random pub, so a lot of what I do won't necessarily work against higher level players.  Just as an example, I often take long flanks, but that doesn't really work against a coordinated team that 1) can capitalize on just one missing player and 2) calls out enemy locations.

Spoiler

0:25 I try to immediately flank as well as support my teammate. I burned fuel for too long to be sneaky, as I was showing up on radar and giving away my position. In this instance, though, since it was the start of the game, I judged establishing position as more important than secrecy.

0:33 I knew someone was around the corner, but he was farther to the right than I was expecting, so I miss my shot and back up a little since enemy team support is there. I proceed to miss a bunch of shots because I'm bad sometimes. The enemy team is backing off, though and so we push. Notice how quickly I switch targets to what is in my face. It's only when the enemy tech is in a vulnerable position that I focus on it exclusively and rush it. I die in the process, but my team cleans up and we end up in the lead. That is sometimes the role of the Brawler.

1:08 You can see my compulsive need to check the scoreboard. This is part ego-stroking and part intel. I want to know who is up on both teams and what the enemy team composition is. Be careful doing this and check quickly, because you should be focusing on the battle, not your score.

1:29 I see the enemy tech before he notices me. Instead of immediately shooting or chasing and giving away my position prematurely, I wait until I think he's going off screen before trying to get some damage in so I can get as close as possible. Support comes in the shape of a CRT, so I back off. Note that I don't panic and boost away. I have a good position with a tight corridor, so I get some damage in and slowly back off until he's out of sight. Had the shield not dropped, I probably would have stayed there, honestly (Advice from the enemy side: don't drop shield first thing. Using it too early will just make enemies retreat while they have the health to support it. Waiting a little bit can mean they burn too much health to rush or retreat safely).

1:42 The tech comes in, so my health advantage is gone. I back off to play the corners. They back off, I still have a good amount of health, my team is around me, and I can hear my turret doing damage, so I pursue.

2:00 The enemy tech is in a really bad position (the tech should never be the last out of the fight). I'm able to pick him off easily. I go around to head off the rest of the team, but things go badly. I lose a lot of health and get caught on a corner, slowing my escape. A quick glance at my radar tells me that enemies are all around, so I go through some tight corridors to get a little breathing space and drop my repair charge (note that I still take a shot at the enemy, though and don't burn fuel the entire way; I need it for dodging later).

2:25 I'll be honest: I should have lost this fight. I couldn't land my shots centered, and the enemy Berserker had a tech. Lucky for me, he couldn't hit me either and then proceeded to overheat. Then he moves into a bad corner, allowing me to land an easy TOW. It should be noted that around 2:31, I see an enemy moving around behind me on my radar. That's why I move up the ramp and to the left.

2:37 This Tech is just greedy. Even with my low health, I have the corner advantage, eliminating his torch's effectiveness. I finish him off, but unfortunately I was just too far gone at this point and the enemy Scout picks me off.

When I respawn around 2:57, I boost immediately to get closer to my team, but I only spend about half my fuel. As I approach the fight, I want to be off radar, and I want my fuel reserves to regenerate, so I slow to a walk. Only when an enemy appears do I boost again to close the distance. Flak+TOW, boost, flak, boost, flak. I get as much chip damage as I can, even while approaching.

Then there's some boring stuff mostly. Pillar humping against a Scout and a turreted Rocketeer+Tech. The only thing of note is you might see me tap "C" really fast. I use this as a bait, hoping someone hears the repair start and comes to find the "easy" kill was waiting for them. It rarely works, but I find it immensely amusing when it does. An infil flanks, but I make him retreat at half health. Then he comes back into the fight (bad idea) and I kill him before being overwhelmed by an enemy push.

4:42 you can just barely make out an enemy on the radar peeling off for a flank as I come out of repair. I didn't see it, so he tags me. Luckily, I was retreating at that moment anyways because my team was falling back. Pay attention to your radar.

4:48 has a weird moment of indecision. I saw the enemy on radar, but since it was only one, I thought my team could handle it and I'd hold off the larger push. Then I see that he gets a kill and begins to flee, so I try to head him off. I try to be sneaky about it, but of course there is a scanner, so my clever plan is thwarted. He knows I'm there and jukes me handily.

5:20 I get a little bit of tunnel vision here and play ring around the rosie with an Infil. My folly leads to the death of my teammate, even if I secure the kill in return.

5:30 shows how to fight a Rocketeer. I plant my turret and then go to the other side of him, so he has to ignore it for me and get in his face and dodge around him. Up comes Scout. Note how I fight him. I wait for the dodge to unleash Flak+TOW. I miss a crucial flak shot, but even though I started the fight with a little over half health, I still carry the health advantage. He misjudges something or maybe just wants to do some damage before dying and kills himself with his TOW.

6:08 I just was not expecting that Scout. I die because my flank was ill-advised. I didn't know where the enemy team all were, and I get punished for it.

7:12 I try to shield as much of my hitbox as possible, but it results in me hitting the corner with my TOW. I might have gotten a kill if not for that. Make sure your shots are clear before taking them.

7:55 A flank goes right! I round the corner and hit both the Rocketeer and his turret with a TOW. It's a small thing, but it can make a difference in a fight. Then I use the cover available to screen my push so I can get in my optimal range and out of his. He falls easily.

8:18 Here, I have enemies coming from two sides. I fall back towards the ramp to make it so that if they rush me, they have to come from the same direction. Of course, an enemy comes from behind again, so I again move. This sort of behavior is really essential to reduce the effectiveness of flanks and to play up the health advantage of a Brawler. It requires a lot of awareness, because I essentially have to be in the position before it's a problem. I don't have the mobility to get there after I've already been rushed.

9:03 I'm playing peekaboo with a Berserker. I'm out of effective range, but really I'm just biding time. I see a friendly is coming my direction so I'm waiting until he's close enough to set the trap. Unfortunately, I kind of jump the gun a little early and chase him off. Another teammate stops him, but still...

9:40 I use a friendly as a screen against certain death (it helps that he had a shield up). It goes to show that team awareness can be as important as enemy awareness. Also, this is part of the job of a heavy mech. If the positions had been reversed, be sure that I would have tried to screen him against certain death (unless I judged the situation to result in death for both of us, in which case: Bye, sucker!).

It's not the closest game, and it isn't the best play from me.  That latter bit is part of why I chose this video, since I make some pretty glaring mistakes both in plan and execution.  But hopefully it shows a little bit that I'm always thinking during a fight, and why I move like I do.

Edited by Daronicus, January 27 2014 - 09:56 PM.

[Daronicus]

Kvalheim, on January 27 2014 - 02:21 AM, said:

@DennisKnightPC Oh hey, someone from Edinburgh, I used to live there

I did some videos purely as more of a test to see if I could record live gameplay on my new PC. Turned out pretty okay methinks. First one was Fraps, second was Nvidia ShadowPlay

It's late, so I'm not up for doing a play-by-play, but there are a couple things I noticed about your videos.  First of all, you tend to fire your TOW where the enemy is right now, and then you mistime a lot of your remote detonations.  I'd say work a little on predicting where the enemy is moving to, and that will make direct hits and remote detonations easier.  The other major thing is that you don't use side dodging very much in fights.  You move in a lot of straight lines, and that makes you an easy target.  You also continue firing your AR even when no enemies are in view.  This reduces the accuracy of the weapon and builds heat.  If they duck out of sight, ease off the trigger.  Those are the most glaring things I noticed from watching your videos.

On the positive side, your situational awareness seems decent and you use vertical space to good effect when using peekaboo tactics.

Sleep time now.

[Bea5t]

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[Xacius]

I have a calc test in a couple hours.  Sorry about the lack of response on my part.  Been busy with a number of things (IO scrims, school, etc...).  I'll have some free time tomorrow to update the thread.

[Lightangel112]

Kvalheim, on January 27 2014 - 02:21 AM, said:

@DennisKnightPC Oh hey, someone from Edinburgh, I used to live there

I did some videos purely as more of a test to see if I could record live gameplay on my new PC. Turned out pretty okay methinks. First one was Fraps, second was Nvidia ShadowPlay

I'm not even going to comment on the first video, as it's a training match.

But for your second video.

You can take a shot at enemies from afar, your assault rifle is built for that, but you may think about firing long distance TOW missiles. But this isn't a big deal, what is, is you wasted your detonator, infact you waste your detonators a lot, without ever hitting your targets. You managed to deal some dmg to the sniper, but to use detonator don't use it from such a long distance, they can see it a mile off and avoid it, try releasing it on an enemy mechs side or behind or even at close quarters, but never long distances unless you know the mech can't avoid it, ie backed up against a while or obstacle.

At about 3:25 you had a few energy balls around you, but if I were you I would of dropped your 3rd item (repair kit) near the ones on the floor and immediately of pressed C to fully heal up.

At 4:03 you decide to flee, as you were taking quite some dmg. You could of done a few things different, 1 hide behind that small pillar in front of you, as a small mech it provides you with some cover and if you were a bit patient dropped your repair kit, 2 strafe to the left so he does not have a clear shot, 3 do 180 and go behind silo, 4 head in the direction you started but strafe to the right, but even this option is dubious.

You like using the HE charge quite a bit, and you kind of waste it in 6:24, HE charges are mainly used for corners, to throw at ppl's feet or directly in their face or back. Not volleyed in the sky to somehow do dmg on enemy mechs. Use it more wisely, like in 4:42 you notice the C mech in turret mode and you go check him out, had you pressed your F ability and rolled the HE charged to him on the ground, you would of did DOUBLE the DMG, and possibly of stopped the assault from charging in or did him considerable dmg, instead ur HE went over the C mech.

I also notice you don't use your F ability that often. You usually press it, when you panick and see more enemy units or when you back off and not shooting, which is pointless, use the ability it allows you to do more dmg, not to be used for a speedy get away. Try to utilise your ability more effectively. Even at 7:20 you could clearly see on radar that 2 enemies were on that corner, you engaged 1, and kind of freaked out when the rocketeer popped out.

Overall you move well, keep an eye on your radar more frequently. Don't use items just cause you have them, a good player will make good use of them and make them count. Remember that your ability allows you to deal extra dmg for a short duration, use it to your advantage, this also works for items, remember that detonators travel slower than TOW's so if you want you should fire the DET first followed by a TOW as a tip. As someone else already said, try not to travel in straight lines when falling back.

Also, don't forget to press Q to tell your team where the enemy is or Z to ask for assistance, if somebody is nearby to help you out. Though this might go unheard most times, when they do listen it helps. Another tip is you should try to heal up in a quiet area once your at about 200 HP cause a few weapons do 200 dmg like an Snipers Sabot with ability is enough to make you TKO. Which is what you did at about 2:27, do more of that. A death is a point to the other team.

Another tip is, don't rush back into the fray with 2/3 of your health, you engaged a CR-T at 2:56, you managed to survive cause you had back up, had you not had that you may have lost that round. If your not taking damage, healing should be done when possible.

That's all I can think off really.

Edited by Lightangel112, January 30 2014 - 07:38 AM.

[Lightangel112]

Anymore vids to be critiqued_

[Silverfire]

Still waiting on my review, but maybe it's perhaps because it's better to wait to post new gameplay becausethe game is changing so much. Idk, im really the only person who's gameplay Xacius or anyone has not touched upon.

I'm also unsure why this thread was moved to art & media subforum. Seems relevant to the discussion of gameplay, which belongs in either the mech hanger or general discussion.

Edited by Silverfire, February 05 2014 - 10:03 AM.

[Lightangel112]

Oh that's not good silverfire sorry to hear.
But I think it's best till after the new update.
Take some new footage with improved quality.

Edited by Lightangel112, February 05 2014 - 02:30 PM.

[Superkamikazee]

Bruiser gameplay with the new Update and on Steam. I personally enjoy the update to the game, not sure what all the fuss is about.

http://www.twitch.tv...kazee/c/3673765

Edited by Superkamikazee, February 06 2014 - 04:43 AM.

[Superkamikazee]

[Superkamikazee]

Armor Update Gameplay

http://www.twitch.tv...kazee/c/3717249

http://www.twitch.tv...kazee/c/3716760