160 replies to this topic

[DerMax]

Many players are pro-compressor, and many are anti-compressor. I would like to gather community members' opinions to see what the common denominator for this internal is.

[TheVulong]

I would say "make it a default mechanic but only for A classes." Because air dodging C's are just stupid and B's don't really need/deserve it.

[FakeName]

I say: "Change the physics .. or atleast ADD some!"

Right now the Air compressor feels so virtually and non-realistic ebcause of followign reasons:

1. WHen falling with 50 meter/second and you dodge in air you INSTANTLY stop falling.
2. When dodging in the air, you get an INSTANT boost to the left/right
(3.) It is just the same like the ground dodge, just without sparks and fuel consumtion.

So to improve that / fix that I suggest when dodging in the air, you start with a low velocity and later are as fast as the ground dodge but then slow down again. So the distance and time dodging is increased but in tardeoff with a longer dodge cooldown.
In addition, sto pthis INSTANT "fall-safe" Keep the mech falling but add a hover function while dodging so you can consume extra fuel to not get smashed when falling too fast.

[diablodevil2]

TheVulong, on February 24 2014 - 10:00 AM, said:

I would say "make it a default mechanic but only for A classes." Because air dodging C's are just stupid and B's don't really need/deserve it.

Really_ C Class needs all the mobility it can get, ha. Maybe if the A's had reduced firepower.

[TheVulong]

diablodevil2, on February 24 2014 - 10:45 AM, said:

TheVulong, on February 24 2014 - 10:00 AM, said:

I would say "make it a default mechanic but only for A classes." Because air dodging C's are just stupid and B's don't really need/deserve it.

Really_ C Class needs all the mobility it can get, ha. Maybe if the A's had reduced firepower.

Give 'em some more walking speed, increase dodge range but for love of God don't turn them into fat chickens.

[hawkenus]

Hellfire users won't be happy to get Air Compressor revoked...

[OmegaNull]

Air compressor should be on all mechs and the air mechanics should be tweaked a bit.

[DerMax]

OmegaNull, on February 24 2014 - 11:14 AM, said:

the air mechanics should be tweaked a bit.

How exactly_ Do you mean decreasing dodge speed/distance or something else_

[Odinous]

DerMax, on February 24 2014 - 09:54 AM, said:

Many players are pro-compressor, and many are anti-compressor. I would like to gather community members' opinions to see what the common denominator for this internal is.

thats exactly why it is internal in my opinion,cause some love it,others don't.

[EliteShooter]

give it to Cs

[Deadmen_Tim]

To be honest, Air Compressor is a most disgusting thing in Hawken to me, like whole "air Hawken" thing.

The mech with AC has super advantange compared to mech without AC. I would love to see tactical Hawken without AC. Or rather "see it again". At the current state it's just ridiculous air combat. Air combat Hawken, damn it!

Moving AC as a unique ability  to a certain mech looks like a really good decision.

Less good, but still an "ok" one is a "It should be made into a built-in mechanic for all mechs instead of being an internal". Dodge that consumes a lot of fuel, and also is limited to only one dodge in midair. With these two conditions air dodge becomes your life saving move, the thing you have to use properly and with good consideration. Instead of this ridiculous spammy air circus.

[TheVulong]

EliteShooter, on February 24 2014 - 01:25 PM, said:

give it to Cs

You GTF outta here with that statement..

[karnak]

Voted.
You can refer to the comment Tim wrote like if it was my own.

Edited by karnak, February 24 2014 - 01:55 PM.

[Hijinks_The_Turtle]

I find it rather pointless that it takes up so much space in our internals list because it's almost debilitating for classes not to have it (some more than others, but still).  So, I hope we get it as a default setting and have Air Compressor do something else, like increasing the length at which you dodge_

[Stingz]

Really haven't felt a need to take air compressor on my mechs yet, it definitely helps when opponents use EOC and grenades though.

[ragnak]

Making it universal, taking a lot of fuel and 1 use per flight (or long internal cooldown) would solve a lot of issues (like the fact that sometimes jump pads are death sentence, it would help with that without forcing everyone to use AC).

I freaking love how a lot of good players are voicing their concerns with AC but ADH couldnt give two fuzzy bunny about it.

[Cloudstorm]

If there is one thing that should be taken out of the game it's the air compressor and the air dodge. It's a completely artificial construct and has no basis  for been in the game, non of the mechs have large lateral thrusters so cannot be linked to the ethos of the game and as some one has just said there are no physics associated with its behavior. If it has to stay up the fuel burn rate and have some reality in the dodge and fall characteristics.
I appeal to all like minded players to post as it seems if you winge and post a lot then the Developers will patch eg some habitual posters winged about the strength of the Snipers weapons and they downgraded it's hit capability. Where as I think a poll would suggested that sniper was now equipped to do the job the name suggests and it should have been left alone.
Not sure if it will work as the Developers have selective hearing and seem to be willing to change the game to suit the playing style of some people but not all.

[WarlordZ]

FakeName, on February 24 2014 - 10:45 AM, said:

I say: "Change the physics .. or atleast ADD some!"

Right now the Air compressor feels so virtually and non-realistic because of following reasons:

1. WHen falling with 50 meter/second and you dodge in air you INSTANTLY stop falling.
2. When dodging in the air, you get an INSTANT boost to the left/right
(3.) It is just the same like the ground dodge, just without sparks and fuel consumption.

I agree that the physics of air dodge are ridiculous.  They behave just like they're on the ground with no regard for momentum before or after the dodge.

Conservation of momentum please.

Edited by WarlordZ, February 24 2014 - 08:52 PM.

[The_Silencer]

Still, Air Combat can be improved and/or extended. Nevertheless it is pretty good and fun in the game as it is now.

[HubbaBubba9849]

For me, the Air Compressor only makes sense on the berserker. This may sound radical, but I think maybe remove AC as an internal and just exclusively give the berserker the AC by default. That way, if you see a berserker, you'll know that's the only one that can air dodge.