Nept, on March 04 2014 - 12:13 AM, said:
Honestly, noone's being passive-aggressive with you at the moment. In fact, we're being quite patient. You may feel that you've walked the walk, so to speak, but we do not. Neither opinion is a matter of fact. However, when you're attempting to convince the forums of your expertise, it's worthwhile taking into account their opinions of your ability. You may certainly continue touting the "nothing left to prove" line, but whether your opinions are well-received depends entirely on your reputation with the player base and with the development team. I don't think your reputation with either is particularly stellar.
Actually you were the one who brought epeens into account. I've argued from a position of things that are tested and proven within the gaming space, and I did so even when my clan was dominating.
The primary issue is that most of these core problems with the game, problems that we saw a year ago, are still largely unfixed. There's a few attempts, certainly, but the same ceiling-lowering elephants are most definitely in the room. This is why people like Zeshi, Zilla, Decoy, Soshmoru etc. stopped playing. The game is not particularly fun once you start to get squished up against the skill ceiling, and people have better methods of spending their time.
As for passive aggression, I've seen the kinds of statements you make in general, and understand the overall tone behind your posts. If you'd at least have the decency to not BS me that'd be great. Not to mention that statements like "actually we're being quite patient with you" are patronizing as fuzzy bunny
Nept, on March 04 2014 - 12:13 AM, said:
*Edit* I believe that I've sent you our vent information before_ I'll be awake for awhile writing a paper. You are more than welcome to hop on and chat if you're looking for direct conversation.
*Edit 2* Had apparently sent it to AJK before, but not to you. Included you in that conversation for the info.
I went to sleep shortly after that post, not that I'm going to download vent. Our mumble info is freely available, and I can even go so far as to ensure that other people don't hop in the channel if you're planning on pulling the "don't gang up on me" complaint
Xacius, on March 04 2014 - 12:16 AM, said:
I've been regarded as a pretty good player since I started streaming the game in 2012. Hawken was the first computer-based FPS that I actually played for more than 40 hours. Not a big deal to some veterans of this community, especially not those that have been playing twitch-based PC fps for years, but I've done well enough to be proclaimed as "the best player in the game" by many other players. But this isn't about me. We already know where each other stands on the topic of one-another's skill. We also know where other players stand with regards to these perceptions:
You've been a popular streamer with people who play the game casually dude. They see someone dominating and pubstomping (something I'm sure you can admit to doing a lot back then) and think "wow, this guy must be the best"
Again, you did fine, but there was a substantial list of people who did better
You also fail to recognize that only recently has this discussion just been about me. The goalposts are steadily shifting because you and I both know that my information doesn't just come from my own gameplay experience, but is a combination of several different sources
Xacius, on March 04 2014 - 12:16 AM, said:
Can confirm by the entirety of the BSB.
Because BSB hasn't ever had a biased outlook on skill levels in the game. Nope, not once
Xacius, on March 04 2014 - 12:16 AM, said:
You claim that you have nothing left to prove with regards to your personal gameplay, but according to the majority of the populous you never proved anything in the first place. In fact, the only thing that you have proved is how unnecessarily rude and uninviting you can be on an online forum.
This is hilarious coming from a clan whose members have harassed people in IRC, and from someone who has personally insulted my clan members and then *recorded it* on his own stream.
Xacius, on March 04 2014 - 12:16 AM, said:
Here you're confirming that you find trash-talk entertaining and largely prefer it to the current communication on these forums (which you've labeled as "passive aggressive"). This is unsettling. Having personally spoken with you on multiple occasions in your mumble, I can state with confidence that you're capable of having rational discussion. Nearly all of our conversations have been both entertaining and enjoyable. On the forums, however, it's like you're an entirely different person. Before, I didn't really understand your behavior. After that statement, it all made sense.
Xacius, the issue is that while you're in the mumble you're willing to listen to posts, stop for a moment and think about things. Once there's the disconnect of no longer communicating through VOIP, it's like talking to a goddamned brick wall. Your ego gets in the way, and has on more than one occasion
I also know that your current statements don't match up to things you've said to other people. When you gossip, your statements tend to spread, and I hear most of those statements in the end.
Re: Trashtalk
Honestly, it's a factor that every game/sport/whatever has time and space for, it's just a matter of how repressed it is overall. The fact of the matter is that it's superior to littering every post with passive aggressive bs and epeening while talking about someone behind their back.
Not to mention the fact that it allows its own set of factors that can cause something of a story to emerge between games. Check out Starcraft's scene and all the stories that emerge from there solely because of out-of-game banter/trashtalk/etc
It's also something that I'd format entirely differently from this thread. I'd link to examples on the GA forums, but HiRez moved to Reddit
Rei, on March 04 2014 - 06:15 AM, said:
That wasn't the point of the post. It was that top players a year ago wouldn't stand a chance against top players now since the game has changed so much. And that a lot of people don't trust his opinion because he doesn't play this game anymore because a "causal shooter is worth [his] time"
No Rei, it's a redirect. Ultimately Nept and Xacius are pulling the same sort of thing people pulled on the Firefall forums a year ago
"I can't argue with your point directly, so I'll attack your credibility overall"
When Nept had no real argument to make, he fell back on the "well we're better" argument. The admission that the game has changed, and the implication that people would lose for that particular reason is an instance of back-pedalling. This tactic has been used in previous threads to attempt to downplay the skill level of the people who quit this game. This was also used to shift goalposts, though both Xacius and Nept continue to say things like "never been proven" even though that hasn't even remotely been the case, and switching between talking about me specifically, and every former member of my old clan.
If it hasn't become immediately obvious that this is a series of epeen fueled personal attacks to compensate for a lack of appropriate counterarguments, I don't know what to say to you.
The issue being that this will cause posters like hendmen to question the forum dynamic like he has
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