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[crockrocket]

Meraple, on August 15 2014 - 04:30 PM, said:

crockrocket, on August 15 2014 - 04:28 PM, said:

If you think the Hawken community is toxic you should check out http://www.reddit.com/r/dayz

That other communities are even more toxic doesn't matter.
It just means this isn't the most toxic one.

You're not wrong, I was just using that as an example of how I can express my opinion here without getting immediately shut down. Perhaps not really a relevant example, but that was my thought process.

[crockrocket]

Meraple, on August 15 2014 - 04:39 PM, said:

crockrocket, on August 15 2014 - 04:35 PM, said:

Meraple, on August 15 2014 - 04:30 PM, said:

crockrocket, on August 15 2014 - 04:28 PM, said:

If you think the Hawken community is toxic you should check out http://www.reddit.com/r/dayz

That other communities are even more toxic doesn't matter.
It just means this isn't the most toxic one.

You're not wrong, I was just using that as an example of how I can express my opinion here without getting immediately shut down. Perhaps not really a relevant example, but that was my thought process.

I'm sleepy.
Asd.

Sorry about that.

You had a valid point. Observing the behavior of other communities doesn't justify the behavior of this one.

[talon70]

Although particles can sometimes act as waves and visa versa, light, the visible wavelengths  our eyes see, is not considered both.

Maybe if the game gets some of the attention it needs and there is a huge influx of new people, everyone here could try to be friendly and helpful for a while. (haha)

[ticklemyiguana]

What I missed:

Spoiler

A prism like object (like a raindrop, or even a prism) takes advantage of the event of refraction (caused by the slowing down of light as it enters and leaves different substances, no the speed of light is not constant, though the speed of light in a vacuum is) by first bending light one way, and then forcing it to exit on a side that is not parallel to the side on which it entered. When it exits, the light must bend again, but since the exiting side is not parallel, it bends at a different direction, even while maintaining the same surface-light angle (because the surface itself is at a different angle).

Now, picture a beam of light as if it were a series of guitar strings-or more commonly for this setup, a bass guitar. at the bridge (the base of the guitar strings) they are all tethered at an equal position, but on the other end (we can consider this the entering of light into a prism) they end at different points, creating a slope, or angle.

Since we can envision light as being more than monodimensional, we can envision one side of the light travelling a further distance than the other side in a similar manner to one guitar string being longer than another.

We do have to add one other notion into the mix to wind up with the dispersion of light that results in a rainbow like pattern, and that is that light is not entering the prism as a beam. It is entering more like a triangle with the base of it on the surface of the prism. This is because light spreads out as it gets further from its source. It may be a little difficult to visualize in just words, but essentially the particles of light never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down, never gonna run around and desert you, never gonna make you cry, never gonna say goodbye, never gonna tell a lie and hurt you.

And that's why that happens.

Guys. I'm really drunk.

talon70, on August 15 2014 - 04:43 PM, said:

Although particles can sometimes act as waves and visa versa, light, the visible wavelengths  our eyes see, is not considered both.

It's not considered either.

Edited by ticklemyiguana, August 15 2014 - 04:45 PM.

[Onebullit]

ticklemyiguana, on August 15 2014 - 04:45 PM, said:

Guys. I'm really drunk.

That explains the rainbow explanation.

[ticklemyiguana]

Onebullit, on August 15 2014 - 04:49 PM, said:

ticklemyiguana, on August 15 2014 - 04:45 PM, said:

Guys. I'm really drunk.

That explains the rainbow explanation.

As far as I'm aware, I actually explained it pretty validly, though in my wild and carefree drunken spirit, I did miss some parts, as shown above.

[Onebullit]

ticklemyiguana, on August 15 2014 - 04:50 PM, said:

Onebullit, on August 15 2014 - 04:49 PM, said:

ticklemyiguana, on August 15 2014 - 04:45 PM, said:

Guys. I'm really drunk.

That explains the rainbow explanation.

As far as I'm aware, I actually explained it pretty validly, though in my wild and carefree drunken spirit, I did miss some parts, as shown above.

I wasn't talking about the presentation, rather the reason.

[TwentyFirstPilot]

Meraple, on August 15 2014 - 04:52 PM, said:

ticklemyiguana, on August 15 2014 - 04:50 PM, said:

Onebullit, on August 15 2014 - 04:49 PM, said:

ticklemyiguana, on August 15 2014 - 04:45 PM, said:

Guys. I'm really drunk.

That explains the rainbow explanation.

As far as I'm aware, I actually explained it pretty validly, though in my wild and carefree drunken spirit, I did miss some parts, as shown above.

You missed the part about the unicorns.

Unicorns are real, don't you dare be such a racist and tell me they don't.

Can confirm.

[crockrocket]

Meraple, on August 15 2014 - 04:46 PM, said:

I seriously should go to sleep.

I wish I was in a position to do that.... Instead I'm stuck working AV at a conference. So much caffeine today

ticklemyiguana, on August 15 2014 - 04:50 PM, said:

Onebullit, on August 15 2014 - 04:49 PM, said:

ticklemyiguana, on August 15 2014 - 04:45 PM, said:

Guys. I'm really drunk.

That explains the rainbow explanation.

As far as I'm aware, I actually explained it pretty validly, though in my wild and carefree drunken spirit, I did miss some parts, as shown above.

But what does it MEEEAAAAANNNNNN_!_!_!

Whoa, I just learned that if you post twice in quick succession it concatenates... That's really cool

[ticklemyiguana]

edit. not derailing this thread further.

Edited by ticklemyiguana, August 15 2014 - 05:07 PM.

[nokari]

Meraple, on August 15 2014 - 03:51 PM, said:

ticklemyiguana, on August 15 2014 - 03:43 PM, said:

ROYGBIV

If I google that I only get weird pictures of colors.

ROYGBIV stands for

Red
Orange
Yellow
Green
Blue
Indigo
Violet

[ticklemyiguana]

nokari, on August 15 2014 - 05:41 PM, said:

Meraple, on August 15 2014 - 03:51 PM, said:

ticklemyiguana, on August 15 2014 - 03:43 PM, said:

ROYGBIV

If I google that I only get weird pictures of colors.

ROYGBIV stands for

Red
Orange
Yellow
Green
Blue
Indigo
Violet

Not that I didn't already post that or anything......

[BurnsHot]

This thread grew so fast that i will try to respond to any of the relevant post separately.

Hyginos, on August 15 2014 - 09:05 AM, said:

I've actually found this community to be pretty nice for the most part, if sarcastic. Maybe I just don't see it.

@ Hyginos  You must have not read the numerous recent threads filled with personal attacks, multi-page flame wars, thread hijacking and or derailing.  They are out there and not hard to find.  

Some response are Sarcastic in nature and some of just Forum dwellers that are so familiar with each other that its just how they talk to each other.  You have to be around a while to pick up when they are joking with each other and when its not.  Even still it might be hard to tell, but for the new player that just came to the forums I can imagine its a WTF reaction especially if they are the OP and become the target of such nonsense.

Not the kind of atmosphere that we should be promoting or condoning.

SKamikazee, on August 15 2014 - 09:35 AM, said:

Toxic with eachother is an issue. This recent posting, ranting, or voicing of concerns with Hawken is something brought on by the devs. A concerned restless community left in the dark, what was the expectation_

It is sad but there is some true here.

craftydus, on August 15 2014 - 03:51 PM, said:

Hey OP, I got a question. Is it Burns Hot, or Burn Shot_

@craftydus  Its BurnsHot.  Like my avatar the Sun which Burns Hot.......  get it_

Edited by BurnsHot, August 15 2014 - 07:54 PM.

[BurnsHot]

nokari, on August 15 2014 - 11:59 AM, said:

mittens800, on August 15 2014 - 09:43 AM, said:

Sylhiri, on August 15 2014 - 09:41 AM, said:

mittens800, on August 15 2014 - 09:39 AM, said:

Well, most of the hate seems to stem from the haccusations.
There should be a callout system, and if you are wrong YOU get named and shamed.

Who proves if your wrong_

Video evidence.  All that gets submitted at some point and someone at ADH makes a decision.

Forum drama = fun

Forums are kind of ok, it's just that there's nothing going on in Hawken so a lack of things to talk about.  It's a bit abrasive but I find it mostly sarcastic.  I draw the line at threats, racial stuff etc, that is not cool.  And being mean isn't that great either.

Yeah no... public naming and shaming is a terrible idea and ALWAYS HAS BEEN. Callouts is emotional outrage inducing with no positive results. This is how trolls are born.

The idea of shaming the person who made a false report is faulty too. They could be right about who they're reporting, but just not have strong enough video evidence to convince an admin. Turning on them and pointing fingers won't make any situation better. If anything it would shame people into giving up on trying to make reports altogether, including those who have stronger evidence.

I am still undecided about this issue.  On one hand if someone is cheating or acting out and they are caught doing it on video then I think it should be shared with the community.  Information is power, but on the other hand there will always be a need to protect those Innocent of false allegations.  Maybe it should be made a new thread topic and discussed further_

[BurnsHot]

AsianJoyKiller, on August 15 2014 - 12:41 PM, said:

You want to know why this happens_
Because this is the sort of community the moderation of these forums has cultivated over the space of years.

This isn't new.
This is status quo.

History Text Wall

Spoiler

It wasn't so bad back when Hugs was still the community manager. She was extremely vigilant. During that time I got warnings for infractions as minor as calling someone a "fool" and replying "bump" to a thread about forum etiquette.

But then moderation was largely handed over to a 3rd party service, and the largely ineffective Mods 1, 2, 3 took over. Around that time Hugs was also laid off, and Scapes took over.

A major problem was that the 3rd party mods enforced rules in what appeared to be an entirely arbitrary manner, with people in the same thread breaking the same rules, yet only one person would get in trouble. And often they'd enforce rules far too late to be effective. As things started to get out of hand they'd say "Don't break the rules guys. Keep it civil." and then everybody would ignore them because the chances of actually getting in trouble were extremely low. Most of the time, the flame wars would burn themselves out before the mods ever moved to take action.

The only effective moderation during that time really came from Scapes, but he was also busy with other duties.

These days, that 3rd party moderation team is gone... and to be honest, the quality of moderation hasn't changed, neither better nor worse, since they've left.

ZC does what he can as community manager, but he's got a lot on his plate. Even more than Scapes did due to Meteor layoffs. Last I talked to him about it, he was trying to do 3 peoples jobs at once. I'd be lying if I said I enjoyed his moderation, but I at least try to understand the pressure he must be under and respect that these days.

AJK, you are an Alpha right_  For what purpose do you hang around this forum_  Are you here to contribute to the community, help new players find answers to questions, make them feel warm and welcome, invite them to come back and ask them to stay awhile_  Are you here to Promote Hawken and see Hawken succeed_

Well since you walked into my Thread, let me share some of my observations.  Your above post tells me that you just don't get it.  You seem to have no problem placing all the blame on the Devs for, as you say, cultivating this environment.  You even pulled out an old thread to justify your attempts at washing your hands of any responsibility you played in cultivating the current environment.  Any new player reading this would be none the wiser of the negative role you played.

My post was created in the hopes that everyone would take a step back, take a deep breath and try at being civil towards one another.  Just because the Devs have left us to our own devices does not mean its a license to bully others or just be mean an nasty during a so called discussion.  I don't think anyone, including myself is clean on this issue.  I've had my share of bad days in the game suffering with bad players and have given them a piece of my mind a few times.  It wasn't right, but it happened and I recognized it and will make every effort to not let it happen again.  This is what i'm really talking about when I say that we have to Police ourselves.  It starts with the individual.  We need to keep ourselves in check then extend it to other players and keep them in check if they are out of line.  

Be part of the solution not part of the problem.  Do not come here blaming the Devs for the current state we are in and try to come across as some neutral fact finder with all the answers, but with no solutions and conveniently leaving out your role in all of this.

We don't have to have a Toxic Community and It's only status quo if we, the Community, allow it to be.

[ticklemyiguana]

Time the fuzzy bunny out guys.
https://community.pl...favor-and-read/
Settle down. Have a read. It's on us for the time being.

[phoenix07]

Official HAWKEN Forum Rules, in fact useless.
As long as the player's opinion does not meet the interests of the company,not interfering members unlimited attacks.
When these bad things accumulate more and more,will eventually anti-victim.

[ticklemyiguana]

phoenix07, on August 15 2014 - 08:46 PM, said:

Official HAWKEN Forum Rules, in fact useless.
As long as the player's opinion does not meet the interests of the company,not interfering members unlimited attacks.
When these bad things accumulate more and more,will eventually anti-victim.

Useless in some sense, when the devs don't uphold them, but that doesn't mean we can't do our part just the same.

[EM1O]

Huh_
I don't even remember what the thread was about.
Why would one's "Member Since" label read mid December, if their original registration here was during Closed Beta_
Odd.
Say good night, Gracie.

[SS396]

EM1O, on August 15 2014 - 09:05 PM, said:

Why would one's "Member Since" label read mid December, if their original registration here was during Closed Beta_

What it means is they played earlier and never signed into the forums.  The day you sign in to the forums is the day it lists on their member since date.   Been covered many times over the years.