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[SS396]

For those of you who don't want to wait for your own "upgrade" you can manually install from a USB or DVD.  (Beware though unless you've previously activated a copy of Windoze 10 using the tech preview you will need to enter a product key to activate it)

 

https://www.microsof...nload/windows10

 

Have fun, I'm about to nuke everything and start over fresh on a new drive, its about that time for a reinstall anyways.

[CraftyDus]

ok

[dorobo]

Edited by dorobo, 29 July 2015 - 06:45 AM.

[n3onfx]

 

Micro$oft

 

This is still a thing?

[LaurenEmily]

What's a windoze

[schwanzlurch]

What's a windoze

official name is yet to be announced...

[zorin1]

For those of you who don't want to wait for your own "upgrade" you can manually install from a USB or DVD.  (Beware though unless you've previously activated a copy of Windoze 10 using the tech preview you will need to enter a product key to activate it)

 

https://www.microsof...nload/windows10

 

Have fun, I'm about to nuke everything and start over fresh on a new drive, its about that time for a reinstall anyways.

I am guessing that the product key and license key is different?  I keep hearing that you first must do and update and then you can do a fresh install. 

[LRod]

Curious to hear your take on the update process, look/feel of the new UI,  and end results as they pertain to this and other steam games.  I hope you post an update...

[_incitatus]

I am guessing that the product key and license key is different?  I keep hearing that you first must do and update and then you can do a fresh install. 

 

I don't think there is a different key you have to use since it is a free upgrade.  Downloading installer to flash drive ATM and plan to nuke mine tonight.

[Hyginos]

I don't think there is a different key you have to use since it is a free upgrade.  Downloading installer to flash drive ATM and plan to nuke mine tonight.

 

Let us know how the fresh install goes. I think a lot of people are waiting to hear how everything goes down before the commit to the migration so it would be a service to the community. 

[OdinTheWise]

Let us know how the fresh install goes. I think a lot of people are waiting to hear how everything goes down before the commit to the migration so it would be a service to the community. 

from what i hear, win10 is really good, fixes a lot that was bas about 8.1

[SS396]

I am guessing that the product key and license key is different?  I keep hearing that you first must do and update and then you can do a fresh install.

I don't think there is a different key you have to use since it is a free upgrade.  Downloading installer to flash drive ATM and plan to nuke mine tonight.

 
Yes, its completely seperate, actually its a pain in the ass.  In order to get a "free" copy of 10, you must upgrade (install over and from within) a legal copy of 7 or 8.1 first, once you do that, then your activation key is saved on M$'s servers, and you can do a wipe and clean install from that point forward on that device (supposedly infinite times as they say "for the life of the device"). It is keyed to a hardware profile, so once you upgrade the motherboard or cpu (or whatever they are keying off of), that key is no longer any good, and you cannot get your free copy back.

There is a loophole though if you want a free copy of 10 without paying for it (and without using a legal 7 or 8.1 to upgrade from), you can sign up to be a "windows insider". The issue here is you are trading all of your telemetry and product usage stats for a free OS, and you are also a guinea pig for all the new builds and testing (although you can slow installs down by going to the slow ring). The question here is though, is it worth it? Just read though the agreement you accept, they record EVERYTHING, silly things like how long your mouse cursor is in what area of the screen. I had no problems with that when I was using it every once in a while to test things, but I'm not sure if I want them recording everything on a machine I use for my daily things. Seems a bit worse than Google if you ask me.

Curious to hear your take on the update process, look/feel of the new UI,  and end results as they pertain to this and other steam games.  I hope you post an update...

 

Let us know how the fresh install goes. I think a lot of people are waiting to hear how everything goes down before the commit to the migration so it would be a service to the community.

I've been running the tech preview on a removable drive since December. Its not all that bad, I still like Win7 best. I haven't done an upgrade of an old win7 or 8.1 system though, only a fresh install of win10 and then updates to the builds (which are upgrade installs). Its come quite a way since last December. All of my software seems to work fine, I haven't run into any compatibility issues with software. Nvidia drivers work perfectly, even got SLI to work. The only issue I have is my older soundblaster card every once in a while craps out and stops working. Creative has an eta of August to have it fixed. My fix is to just delete it from the device manager, and let it reinstall, then it works for a while again. shrug.

All in all, its not all that bad of an OS, and I've used hundreds of different OS's over the years. Solaris is by far the worst one I've ever had to use.

For those of you that are on the fence about it and want to test it out, download one of those iso's, and install it inside a VM like https://www.vmware.com/products/player. And when it asks you for a product key a few times, you can skip it and let it install and use it before the activation locks you out of things. Its a VM so its not going to be able to game and such, but you can at least play with the start menu and default software to see if its something you want to use.

I guess there is a rollback feature to roll 10 back to the original OS, but its only good for 30 days. Not sure why they put an expiration date on it though.

[Nov8tr]

Solaris and the early versions of FreeBSD were a pain in the ass. Yeah I like 10. Hell it ran on a 7 yr old HP FASTER than the Vista that was on it. A LOT better, lol. Think I'll try it on my 2nd machine first. Going to go download the ISO now. Both machines are on the list waiting for their "turn" to install.

[Hyginos]

How much does it lock you out if you refuse to input a key?

[peacecraftSLD]

I like Win8.1. I upgraded from 7 to 8.1 and it has been an improvement in performance for me at least. I have Hawken installed on a laptop I have that has Windows 7. I was gonna test Hawken with Windows 10 on that and see if that works fine and if it passes I will upgrade my main machine.

 

I hear Win10 has built in Game Recording support. Don't know if its any good tho.

[Nov8tr]

Well I downloaded the ISO. Burnt it with Nero. And now doing a inside Windows upgrade. It said all my software, hardware and drivers were fine. No problems for upgrade. Doing upgrade now at 10%. Crosses fingers, lol. :D

 

Update. OK got it all installed. I have testing Windows 10 since last year. This is NOT what I was just running. I had no problem running my Norton Security Suite, now you CANNOT turn of Windows Defender. If you try, it will delete Nortons and turn back on. I had zero problems with any my games. They all ran fine. Now I have problems with a couple. AION will not run, it crashes trying to start. Finally got Star Conflict fixed. Got java fixed. Got flash fixed. RIFT works ok. Going to test Hawken again. Its strange. I'm getting 75 to 80 FPS but it feels terrible. Not smooth at all. Very jerky and acts like I'm getting 20 FPS. Not sure whats up right. My other programs seem fine. Mail and browsers are fine. I have not upgraded my main system yet. So I'm going to hang loose and see how this goes on the 2nd system first. Take care!

Edited by Nov8tr, 29 July 2015 - 11:41 PM.

[Magnolia1038]

As SS stated you need to upgrade to Windows 10 first, and afterwards you can install a fresh copy from an ISO. During the fresh install you simply skip the activation key process and upon completion you will be asked to verify your credentials / login when in the desktop.

 

For those of you having issues upgrading to 10: (1) Delete everything in the following folder "C:Windows/SoftwareDistribution/Download" (2) Run command prompt as administrator and enter "wuauclt.exe /updatenow" without quotations. You may have to repeat step 2 several times before the update runs successfully.

[SS396]

How much does it lock you out if you refuse to input a key?

 

Well, it the only thing I noticed was it started locking me out of the account preferences and settings, like setting the lock screen picture and screen backgrounds.  What was silly is if you were fast enough to get into the settings right after it booted and before it checked for activation, it wasn't locked.  lol, like maybe if you disconnected it from the network it wouldn't ever lock itself down, not sure.  It also put a nifty watermark in the lower right corner that showed up ABOVE all the windows saying to activate windows.  I don't know if it would of started locking more and more things as time went on.  I just ended up doing a upgrade from within Win7 after I cloned the drive.

 

 

As SS stated you need to upgrade to Windows 10 first, and afterwards you can install a fresh copy from an ISO. During the fresh install you simply skip the activation key process and upon completion you will be asked to verify your credentials / login when in the desktop.

 

For those of you having issues upgrading to 10: (1) Delete everything in the following folder "C:Windows/SoftwareDistribution/Download" (2) Run command prompt as administrator and enter "wuauclt.exe /updatenow" without quotations. You may have to repeat step 2 several times before the update runs successfully.

 

Right now I'm actually trying an install from within Win7 and going to do a complete wipe (keep nothing when it asks).  I'm fairly sure that it will have the same result as the 2 time install procedure, but lets find out.

 

Also, the programs I linked force download windows 10 so you don't have to do the updatenow thing, which didn't work for me when I tried it.  You can either run it and upgrade it right then, or make a media disk and run it from that disk inside a valid copy of windows.  Also the media disk will boot and install, so its got a few extra functions, and nifty to have around.

[SS396]

 

Right now I'm actually trying an install from within Win7 and going to do a complete wipe (keep nothing when it asks).  I'm fairly sure that it will have the same result as the 2 time install procedure, but lets find out.

 So yeah, epic fail.  It moves everything on your drive into a windows.old directory.  I guess its so you can rollback.  Sucks you gotta install twice to get a fresh clean OS.   But oh well, its free.

[SS396]

So, only a few minor device issues with the upgrade from Win7.  Most of them were easily fixed by deleting the device and letting it find it again, like a HP photosmart 6250 printer and my sound card.  Other than that, it was pretty uneventful, and well, just boring.  I still think things would be better and more efficient with a clean wipe, which I'll do here in the next day or two when I get some free time.    But all in all, it doesn't seem all that bad, I've used worse.  Its pretty funny though if you poke around in the installer help it points you to windows 8.1 stuff.  I guess its just a bunch of reused 8.1 stuff and they were to lazy to go in and modify the numbers.

[crockrocket]

Thanks for the detailed posts SS396. Don't think I'll go 10 just yet, but it shows promise

[_incitatus]

Finally got my hands on my VLK codes and ISOs. Did two upgrades so far. First was a custom desktop, went fine but had to reinstall dotnet 3.5 package for my ERP software to function again.

Second was on a month old i7 Zenbook with an nvidia m840, and there are no working graphics drivers to support attached displays for any resolution other than uhd.

Brought home an extra ssd and gonna try a fresh install on my gaming rig to see what it does to Hawken. Really like it so far though.

[SS396]

Second was on a month old i7 Zenbook with an nvidia m840, and there are no working graphics drivers to support attached displays for any resolution other than uhd.

 

Really like it so far though.

 

Yeah, its not all that bad.  Thats weird about the attached display.    Did it install WDDM 3.0 drivers?

 

One thing I didn't enjoy was it constantly turning back on Windows Defender, but one group policy edit nuked that annoyance dead in its tracks.

[Nov8tr]

Well I now have both my systems running Windows 10. Doing fine, games run fine. My main also dual boots Linux Mint 17.2 and my 2nd system dual boots linux as well. :) So its all good.

[_incitatus]

Yeah, its not all that bad. Thats weird about the attached display. Did it install WDDM 3.0 drivers?

I think that's what it installed initially, then I tried a could a versions from Nvidia. But I think we may have to wait on Asus to fix it with an update. Probably mess with it some more on Monday.

[Nov8tr]

OK once you get it up and running. (I have it running fine on 2 machines now. See my profile.) Now that it is working here some GOOD advice unless you want M$ knowing what you ate, when you went to bed, where you went yesterday, how much is in your bank account, the pictures in your hidden folder, and so on. Do it.

 

Here is a article that will help you fix most of it. They have a earlier article too.  http://bgr.com/2015/...o-stop-spying/

[SS396]

Good stuff Nov8tr.  Personally I am not thrilled with their tracking, but it seems this is the way the world is heading.

 

Also, another nifty trick I learned is to create a folder on your desktop and name it

 

GodMode.{ED7BA470-8E54-465E-825C-99712043E01C}

 

make sure you include the . and the class string.

 

it opens up a control panel with pages of settings, like over 100 individual options that you'd have to scour through numerous different control panels and apps to get to.

[Nov8tr]

Nice. My Wifi is encrypted up the yang of course but I thought it would be amusing to name my broadcast name as FBImobileSurveillance. Not one person has tried to use my wifi since that. :D

[Nov8tr]

Update. OK good and bad. Good I'm running it on my second system and appears to be working fine. Had to rollback my main machine. Started having problems with video, game controllers, some problems and even a few system drivers. So back to Windows 7 64 bit Home on my main for now.

[WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW]

How was the rollback process?

I updated tonight and I will be checking it out a bit tomorrow.

[SS396]

How was the rollback process?

 

Well, I've heard mixed results on the rollback.

 

Aparently, after it rolls back (if it completes successfully) you have to reassign default applications and fix silly things like start menu icons for your applications.  On occasion you might have to reinstall some of those installed applications to get them to work also.

[Nov8tr]

Yeah pretty much dead on SS396. I had to fix a couple of things. Had to reinstall 3 of my games and a couple drivers. The rollback was easy as hell. And took like less than 10 minutes to happen. So guess I got lucky in that aspect. But it works fine on my 2nd machine. I will tell the people the same thing I have for years. I have ACTUALLY built 10 systems in one day. Dead identical to the last screw and part. NONE of them ran identical. Several ran similiar and some were very different. I had one system years ago that would not run for crap. I took all the parts out, used them in other systems and worked perfectly, but together they did not work. Weird but true. So your rollback will most likely have different results with different systems. Mostly it works fine and easy. Just count on having to reinstall a few things and maybe some drivers. Of course that is IMO. Good luck and take care!

[Hyginos]

Has anyone installed Hawken after the upgrade?

[SS396]

Has anyone installed Hawken after the upgrade?

 

I haven't but it shouldn't be an issue, if you are having problems, go through the list of workarounds as most likely the installer script didn't kick off correctly and install the prereqs needed.

 

https://community.pl...1-common-fixes/

 

I've seen some other posts say that they had to set compatibility mode on the exe, but I haven't had any issues.

 

What kinda problem are you having?

[Hyginos]

I haven't but it shouldn't be an issue, if you are having problems, go through the list of workarounds as most likely the installer script didn't kick off correctly and install the prereqs needed.

 

https://community.pl...1-common-fixes/

 

I've seen some other posts say that they had to set compatibility mode on the exe, but I haven't had any issues.

 

What kinda problem are you having?

 

Its a diskwrite error on start up. I assume the UDK package thing that comes up on first install is failing.

[SS396]

Its a diskwrite error on start up. I assume the UDK package thing that comes up on first install is failing.

 

Thats a new one to me.  The prereqs are just an Unreal 3 redistributable and some Visual C++ files , it isn't anything to do with UDK.

 

Sounds to me (with a disk writing error) like its having trouble writing your config files to the correct directory due to Admin perms.  Try running HawkenGame-Win32-Shipping.exe as admin and see what happens, or you could manually copy over the inis as stated in step 3 of the workarounds.  Also just download and manually run the files in steps 4, 5, and 6.

 

If that doesn't do it, I'd be really surprised.  I might be enough to cause me to format and start over to test installation.

[Nov8tr]

I thought I'd mention I've seen some games and programs that would not work in the Program Files (x86) folder. Why, I don't really know, other than permissions. Try putting it somewhere else during install. It actually works sometimes. And yes, try running it in compatibility mode first. Try Windows 7 and run it as Admin. Good luck, sorry you're having problems mate.

[_incitatus]

Has anyone installed Hawken after the upgrade?

 

Yes.  I installed it on my laptop this morning and everything went like butter...