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[harmless_kittens]

I was in a match recently dominated by EMPs flying all over the place.  The winning team had 6 level 30 players, obviously many of whom had 3 EMPs each (I know because I was killed by many of those players).  Many "newer" players on our team were not level 30 and were complaining that they could not have those same internals, or at least have as many, and thought it was unfair.  (They may have a point.)

 

But instead of addressing the Internals problem, which has already been addressed, I wanted to gauge approximately how many hours of play it should take a brand new Hawken player to reach level 30 (because I see the 3 EMPs are locked behind that level 30 wall).  Again, not a smurf or alt account.  I mean these new players that are of average skill and are trying out Hawken for the first time.  How many hours do they need to play, or how many matches do they need to complete, to reach level 30?  Is there any data or research on this?

 

Thanks.

[Silverfire]

From my "research" of leveling several alternate accounts to level 30, I'd say it takes anywhere between 30-40 hours of playtime to reach pilot level 30 with some level of skill and competency.

[XFXFuryX]

1 to 25 in about 6 hours and then another 6 hours from 25 to 30. This is all assuming of course that you know how to play well and are using the promo code for XP increase.

[harmless_kittens]

1 to 25 in about 6 hours and then another 6 hours from 25 to 30. This is all assuming of course that you know how to play well and are using the promo code for XP increase.

Lol.  First time I've ever heard of such a thing.

[Silverfire]

I'd say 30-40 hours without XP increase bonus, and some skill.  50 hours tops, I'd figure with a lower MMR.

 

This is all playing casually, on and off, like a few times a week.

Edited by Silverfire, 03 August 2016 - 08:01 AM.

[CraftyDus]

Lol.  First time I've ever heard of such a thing.

 

That's because it's not true.

The top players on the mmr leaderboard don't level that fast.

That rapid a result is not attainable even by the best players on average to level 30.

 

I'm sure any of the top 10 players would love a public honest duel with anyone making such a boast. I could arrange it.

I'm sure we'd all grow as people.

[Epsilon_Knight]

Started a smurf so I have an account without zerker.  Because I need not have that option every time I get rekt in a match.

 

So for reference, I'm at level 21.5 and it's taken 13.5 hours in games to get there.  No XP boosts or anything.  For a brand new player, I guess a 50% time markup would be sensible?  It's very likely going to take me another 15+ in-game hours since all the XP awards for achievements will dry up, and of course each level requires more XP.

 

Make it a round 30 for me and I expect it wouldn't be impossible for it to take new folks 45 hours in cockpit to get level 30, especially people leaving games early which denies them all the XP.  Of course, I'm pulling all these estimates from my bum, so ymmv.

Edited by Epsilon_Knight, 03 August 2016 - 12:26 PM.

[Silverfire]

Like I said, 30-40 hours with someone with mild competence at the game, 50 tops for the most challenged people.

Edited by Silverfire, 03 August 2016 - 12:23 PM.

[Epsilon_Knight]

Like I said, 30-40 hours with someone with mild competence at the game, 50 tops for the most challenged people.

 

Awesome, my guestimate matches with a post of yours I didn't bother to read beforehand!

 

I'm so good at estimates.  I have the best estimates.  My estimates are yuge.

[CraftyDus]

1 to 25 in about 6 hours and then another 6 hours from 25 to 30. This is all assuming of course that you know how to play well and are using the promo code for XP increase.

 

Would you be willing to prove it?

Provide a video or duel a top player to show your assumption of course that you know how to play well?

[TheButtSatisfier]

I volunteer until someone who is topper volunteers.

 

Edit: to duel. I volunteer to be the other duelist.

Edited by TheButtSatisfier, 03 August 2016 - 01:30 PM.

[Onstrava]

Have people legitimately counted how many hours it takes or might take or is all this a wild guess?

[ticklemyiguana]

Have people legitimately counted how many hours it takes or might take or is all this a wild guess?

There's no need for counting. You just check the hours played against your own level. Both are easily accessible.

[harmless_kittens]

I guess we need to hear from someone still on their way to 30 on their very first account then ...

 

Lol.  Are there any on the forums?

[ArchMech]

I guess we need to hear from someone still on their way to 30 on their very first account then ...

 

Lol.  Are there any on the forums?

nope, they arent in game nor can they be found on rule 34

they dont exist

[TheButtSatisfier]

Have people legitimately counted how many hours it takes or might take or is all this a wild guess?

 

It sounds like a lot of educated guesses, but it doesn't look like someone sat down and did detailed research.

 

Is it possible to identify from the Hawken UI how much experience is required to reach level 30? From there we can just use some averages based on how much XP we earn ourselves (plus beginner's bonus).

[CraftyDus]

I've leveled to 30. A lot. So much. Like a boss.

I can do it in ~20 hours

On average its 20-30-something hours.

Doing it in 12 often would take the very best player in the world. It's a crazy boast.

Either its not true. Or it will never be proven.

[Xacius]

I've leveled to 30. A lot. So much. Like a boss.

I can do it in ~20 hours

On average its 20-30-something hours.

Doing it in 12 often would take the very best player in the world. It's a crazy boast.

Either its not true. Or it will never be proven.

yeh, but ur still a skrub lol

Edited by Xacius, 03 August 2016 - 02:24 PM.

[Kindos7]

I've leveled to 30. A lot. So much. Like a boss.
I can do it in ~20 hours
On average its 20-30-something hours.
Doing it in 12 often would take the very best player in the world. It's a crazy boast.
Either its not true. Or it will never be proven.

yeh, but ur still a skrub lol

Race to lvl30 on new accounts for pink slips needed.

[CraftyDus]

Found one that is coming close to to a 12 hour level 30!

This one is at the time of this post 13:45 hours and at level 28

http://hawken.heroku...ser/B1tchSlaped

 

So maybe it is possible!

Edited by CraftyDus, 03 August 2016 - 04:19 PM.

[XFXFuryX]

Found one that is coming close to to a 12 hour level 30!

This one is at the time of this post 13:45 hours and at level 28

http://hawken.heroku...ser/B1tchSlaped

 

So maybe it is possible!

 

Well there you go, you found one all by yourself that was pretty close to my estimate.

[CraftyDus]

Well there you go, you found one all by yourself that was pretty close to my estimate.

 

I guess I was wrong.

Check out the stats on the best sharpie to ever play Hawken in the entire world!

Oh wait, its not human

 

because this is what some of the top sharpies in the world in Hawken stats actually look like

 

http://hawken.heroku...c6-8b5a1a53666f

 

http://hawken.heroku...2d-b6ae8b24ccbb

 

http://hawken.heroku...01-6f94ce395464

 

http://hawken.heroku...15-782ba4b7812f

 

and these are the kind of hours it took them to be the best

 

113:46:39

 

208:01:06

 

676:53:40

 

408:40:05

Edited by CraftyDus, 03 August 2016 - 05:12 PM.

[Flifang]

Could you calculate this by taking a maxxed player's total xp and then using score per minute as a way to calculate how long it would take, or do we not know what 1 point of XP is score wise?

 

Edit: I suppose with heroku you could also get win percentages and time played to find out how often they get daily win bonuses and such.

 

Sounds very complicated. Like math homework but optional. This is why I bomb some math tests: you have to willingly choose math problems to study.

Edited by Flifang, 03 August 2016 - 05:12 PM.

[CraftyDus]

I'm saying it takes between 20 -35 hours to make it to level 30 depending on the player.

less than that they are famous or they are notorious

 

Spoiler

[Nept]

I guess I was wrong.

Check out the stats on the best sharpie to ever play Hawken in the entire world!

Oh wait, its not human

 

because this is what some of the top sharpies in the world in Hawken stats actually look like

 

http://hawken.heroku...c6-8b5a1a53666f

 

http://hawken.heroku...2d-b6ae8b24ccbb

 

http://hawken.heroku...01-6f94ce395464

 

http://hawken.heroku...15-782ba4b7812f

 

and these are the kind of hours it took them to be the best

 

113:46:39

 

208:01:06

 

676:53:40

 

408:40:05

http://hawken.heroku...ca-a50a2fc008e9

 

Post my actual comp mech, not the one I use for plinking friendly targets, fuzzy bunny.

[Hecatoncheires]

Everyone's assuming skill is a constant...

It took me til I had ~72 hours on Steam to get to level 30. This is including idle time and messing around with my mechs. I never kept track of my in-match time, so sorry for that. This is also while only playing Siege. I never really played TDM or DM back then (I still wouldn't if only it were possible).

 

I guess we need to hear from someone still on their way to 30 on their very first account then ...

 

Lol.  Are there any on the forums?

I fulfill half of this. This is still my very first and only account.

[TheButtSatisfier]

Everyone's assuming skill is a constant...

 

Please explain how you missed all of the below. Here, take my hand. I'll take you on a journey. Don't worry about your clothes, you won't need them.

 

Ready?

 

 I'd say it takes anywhere between 30-40 hours of playtime to reach pilot level 30 with some level of skill and competency.

 

1 to 25 in about 6 hours and then another 6 hours from 25 to 30. This is all assuming of course that you know how to play well and are using the promo code for XP increase.

 

I'd say 30-40 hours without XP increase bonus, and some skill.  50 hours tops, I'd figure with a lower MMR.

 

This is all playing casually, on and off, like a few times a week.

 

Like I said, 30-40 hours with someone with mild competence at the game, 50 tops for the most challenged people.

 

I'm saying it takes between 20 -35 hours to make it to level 30 depending on the player.

less than that they are famous or they are notorious

 

Okay, now I've safely brought you back to whatever planet you're from. What did you see?

Edited by TheButtSatisfier, 05 August 2016 - 09:20 AM.

[Hecatoncheires]

Please explain how you missed all of the below. Here, take my hand. I'll take you on a journey. Don't worry about your clothes, you won't need them.

 

Ready?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Okay, now I've safely brought you back to whatever planet you're from. What did you see?

Nothing there contradicts what I said. I'm saying everyone assumes skill is a 'constant', as in, grows at a 'constant' rate, and/or is regular, or doesn't change over time. Every player is different, and grows differently at an irregular rate. Assuming every player will get better over time is a fallacy and is assuming skill is always positive.

No, you assuming my comment wasn't aware of kittens asking for hours as an 'average skill' player is false. I was pointing out the irregularities make a big enough difference to render all of your predictions as out of proportion.

 

Of course, this was all just meant to be an amusing remark at the start of my comment...sorry your butt wasn't satisfied, butthurt instead. 

Edited by Hecatoncheires, 05 August 2016 - 12:00 PM.

[TheButtSatisfier]

Everyone's assuming skill [growth] is a constant...

 

Nothing there contradicts what I said. I'm saying everyone assumes skill is a 'constant', as in, grows at a 'constant' rate, and/or is regular, or doesn't change over time. 

 

So you a word? I fixed it for you. The first quote is written like you were describing MMR "magnitude" being constant while the second quote is written like you're describing MMR "growth acceleration" being constant. In reference to your quote that "Everyone's assuming...", neither of those were assumed by anyone, but maybe that's me being confused by your sarcasm (that's sarcasm right?).

 

Anyways, I'm glad we could have that journey together. Here's your clothes back.

Edited by TheButtSatisfier, 05 August 2016 - 02:13 PM.

[Hecatoncheires]

So you a word? I fixed it for you. The first quote is written like you were describing MMR "magnitude" being constant while the second quote is written like you're describing MMR "growth acceleration" being constant. Neither of those were assumed by anyone, but maybe that's me being confused by your sarcasm (that's sarcasm right?).

 

Anyways, I'm glad we could have that journey together. Here's your clothes back.

You literally just....ok.

Sorry for confusing you with my second post. I used the word 'growth' in a mathematical context. Growth is analogous to a + sign, which, in math, is always present before every positive or negative number. My use of the word is to allow for either a positive or negative variable thereafter. 

 

Thanks.

[TheButtSatisfier]

You literally just....ok.

 

Sorry, that wasn't clear. I was referring to your quote where you said, "Everyone's assuming". I didn't mean to infer that nobody assumed what you meant, because I did, and shame on me for it.

 

I've changed my earlier post to reflect that.

 

If I misunderstood you again then I'll just take a break from our fun convo and call it good.

[DemitronPrime]

12.8 hours if your aimbotting in a sharpie/reaper...

 

20-30 hours if your a smurf boss like crafty

 

30+ if you actually human...

[Sage009]

https://hawken.herok...om/user/Sage009

 

My first account, about 18-19 hours to get to level 27.

[XFXFuryX]

https://hawken.herok...om/user/Sage009

 

My first account, about 18-19 hours to get to level 27.

 

Congratulations, you only have about 50 more games to go.

 

Good luck.

[Flifang]

I don't know what all the fuss is about. I make level 30 every other match...

[TheButtSatisfier]

Congratulations, you only have about 50 more games to go.

 

Good luck.

 

You think B1tchslapped will be there to ruin those 50 games?

[StubbornPuppet]

A better question might be, "How long does it take for a topic with a perfectly simple and reasonable question to turn into a garbage dump of shitposting?"

[TheButtSatisfier]

A better question might be, "How long does it take for a topic with a perfectly simple and reasonable question to turn into a garbage dump of shitposting?"

 

Why do you ask? Are you kicking off the transition?