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[BuffMyRadius]

Does the AR still have the accuracy falloff when its fired continuously_ I thought that was its intended tradeoff with the SMC. I love the sound the vulcan makes but CQB I prefer the flack cannons for the cover-strafe-dodge-cover burst damage rather than having to stand in the open to hose things down.

[the_mentalgen]

Tried the point-d on my 'zerker, it was fairly lacklustre, I was doing more reliable damage with my smc... even close up. If the AR is as good as everyone says I think i will try it out.

[Highchu]

the_mentalgen, on October 27 2013 - 07:24 PM, said:

Tried the point-d on my 'zerker, it was fairly lacklustre, I was doing more reliable damage with my smc... even close up. If the AR is as good as everyone says I think i will try it out.

The AR functions nearly identical to the SMC with better range and accuracy at the cost of some rate of fire. I find the AR to be more reliable in in most situations since you can still deal damage in midrange fights as long as you fire in controlled bursts. In CQC spamming it is slightly slower than the SMC with more spread, but it isn't a big difference. The Point-D is very useful, but mostly in TDM and in smaller maps with alot tight corners like "Facility" and "Prosk". Its a little hard to get used to as boosting resets the startup delay so you need to dodge side to side and fire away. Given that the Berserker is an A class mech, don't try to simply out dps B/C classes that are also using Vulcans. Most of the time you will end up losing unless you are dodging or mitigating the damage somehow.

Edited by Highchu, November 11 2013 - 02:00 AM.

[FWMietzsche]

There's no point in using AR with Berserker. If you are goint to stay at mid-range, you're better off with CR-T

[Zaxik]

So I read here how weak the SMC is... yet I'm using it on many of my mechs and never felt like having problems killing enemies. Someone said that AR overheats slower than SMC - have you considered rate of fire as well_ They both have the same heat rate, but SMC simply shoots more bullets per second. Maybe we need to work with a different unit: damage per overheat. Wonder which one is the best in damage per overheat, but I'm too lazy to do the math by myself.

[DreamedArtist]

Sub Machine Cannon I find it more effective for close to long range and always gets the job done. I stop using the Vulcan long ago due to the range is fuzzy bunny on it and the sub seems too outgun it in every fight I go into. all in all assault rifle is nice as well.

[Stingz]

Zaxik, on January 14 2014 - 08:30 AM, said:

So I read here how weak the SMC is... yet I'm using it on many of my mechs and never felt like having problems killing enemies. Someone said that AR overheats slower than SMC - have you considered rate of fire as well_ They both have the same heat rate, but SMC simply shoots more bullets per second. Maybe we need to work with a different unit: damage per overheat. Wonder which one is the best in damage per overheat, but I'm too lazy to do the math by myself.

Old thread from 2013, when the SMC had Vulcan stats but no damage to back it up. Someone really needs to archive threads to keep so many necro posts from happening.

Also Vulcan for the BRRRRT, SMC is in second.

Edited by Stingz, February 23 2014 - 04:34 PM.

[FenixStryk]

This thread is so old that my vote has been justifiably in each category at least once. I give up; it's not worth updating my vote when weapon balance changes so radically so often.

Vulcan because it goes BRRRRRT.

[xXxHeathcliff]

I like the SMC, because it feels like using a normal gun, the other ones are like huge turrets.

[NECRO_TYPE1]

I've been using the Point-D Vulcan since yesterday and have loved it for close-range combat over the SMC. However, it does produces a noticeable decrease in accuracy at a range the SMC was producing decent damage. I'll wait till I can purchase the AR to make an actual preference comparison.

[PhasmaFelis]

Zaxik, on January 14 2014 - 08:30 AM, said:

So I read here how weak the SMC is... yet I'm using it on many of my mechs and never felt like having problems killing enemies. Someone said that AR overheats slower than SMC - have you considered rate of fire as well_ They both have the same heat rate, but SMC simply shoots more bullets per second. Maybe we need to work with a different unit: damage per overheat. Wonder which one is the best in damage per overheat, but I'm too lazy to do the math by myself.

It's been extensively rebalanced since then. The SMC now produces less heat and more damage than the AR.

[Stingz]

NECRO_TYPE1, on April 02 2014 - 07:57 AM, said:

I've been using the Point-D Vulcan since yesterday and have loved it for close-range combat over the SMC. However, it does produces a noticeable decrease in accuracy at a range the SMC was producing decent damage. I'll wait till I can purchase the AR to make an actual preference comparison.

AR is essentially useless when SMC is currently so good, tiny range/accuracy bonus, and less DPS.

Edited by Stingz, April 03 2014 - 08:17 AM.

[Terr_]

Just playing with stats here... Assuming all shots hit (!) the SMC/AR are about equal DPS at ~58m, with a ~5% advantage to the SMC at close range and a similar ~5% advantage to the AR at long range.

SMC has ~26% more damage for the same amount of heat, though.

Edited by Terr_, July 01 2014 - 09:47 PM.

[Meraple]

I prefer AR at any range, even up close.
The accuracy is just awesome.

[MechFighter5e3bf9]

Submachine hands down,  if I read stats I'd probably us3 Vulcan up close and AR long,  but she wins hands down all ranges

[CapAllan]

Assault Rifle all the way! I simply love its suppressed machine gun sound and its range as I'm most of the time a Mid-Range fighter.
I love the Point-D for its sound and looks. Other wise, its garbage.
SMC is basically just a tin box having a PVC pipe sticking out of its end. Hate it but gotta use it to get my Assualt to Prestige level to unlock the AR!

Assault Rifle all the way! I simply love its suppressed machine gun sound and its range as I'm most of the time a Mid-Range fighter.
I love the Point-D for its sound and looks. Other wise, its garbage.
SMC is basically just a tin box having a PVC pipe sticking out of its end. Hate it but gotta use it to get my Assualt to Prestige level to unlock the AR!

[CapAllan]

Assault Rifle all the way! I simply love its suppressed machine gun sound and its range as I'm most of the time a Mid-Range fighter.
I love the Point-D for its sound and looks. Other wise, its garbage.
SMC is basically just a tin box having a PVC pipe sticking out of its end. Hate it but gotta use it to get my Assualt to Prestige level to unlock the AR!

[Likaon_2013]

How does it look at the berzerker mech_ Lot of you are saying that assault riffle is the best, but honestly I think berzi really dont need long range weapon, its a mech made for flanking...
However, i played Bruiser and i didnt really liked Vulcan, I find it very impractical because of the spin time and high heat rate.
Actually im playing SMC.
What do you think_ Wich of these is best for berserker_

[Vlenzo]

Point-D Crusher nuff said

[BurnsHot]

Either the SMC or Vulcan is good.  It all depends on your play style.  If you find yourself getting up close and in their face a lot then Vulcan.  If you notice that you try to stay mid range more, then go SMC.  I would put AR last in the bunch.