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[angryhampster]

I cant think of a brawler beating anything that a rocketeer.  Can u brawlers point out why they are better than rocketeers_

[Aims]

You know how scouts are a really good mech_ Well the brawler is a more badass scout.

I havn't used my own Brawler for a while now but the Flak/TOW combination is absolutely lethal if you can aim and use cover well (including prediction), especially in combination with the health pool. There is nothing you should be more afraid of running into when you turn a corner than a good Brawler pilot.

[Akrium]

Well there are a few things as to why the Brawler is a better all around mech. But the general notion is that the Rocketeer is a support mech. It is meant to be played back farther and poke at the enemy thus weakening them for your team to go in and finish off. The Brawler is a fat scout that forgot how to run. He was designed with the idea in mind of being closer to the fight and not just be support. I've had good success with both mechs, but both play very differently.

[angryhampster]

Can brawlers dominate games like the scout, raider, or berserker_

[Aptest]

angryhampster, on April 24 2013 - 04:39 AM, said:

Can brawlers dominate games like the scout, raider, or berserker_

any mech can dominate a game if you play it to it's strengths and against your opponent's weaknesses.

That being said, each mech (and player) has several unfavorable matchups.

Edited by Aptest, April 24 2013 - 04:44 AM.

[Dreizehn]

Brawler will likely lose though if you are spotted by the Rocketeer at mid-long range. Also EOCs can really wreck close range moves and limit your peekaboo options.

It's all about pressing your DPS and health advantage, granted against a Rocketeer there isn't much of a health advantage if any.

[angryhampster]

In terms of group battle efficiency. I dont want to be a moving Weak f ortress.  Playing against brawlers made me think they are pathethically weak.  

Ive yet to see a brawler change the pace of the game.

[Akrium]

Before this last patch if a rocketeer and a brawler were to just fight each other heads up, the rocketeer would win hands down. The EOC + Hellfire combo was that nasty. But now the EOC is balanced better and the HFM have been adjusted again as well. With the buffs to the Brawler primary weapons, I think the edge would be back on the side of the Brawler with the current patch. Don't quote me on this though, as I've done no testing to prove this.

And a Brawler and Rocketeer can highly influence a game. The thing with C class mechs is this.. they take more skill to play than even an A class. A class is all about learning to dodge/peekaboo/when to run while the C class is all that but the ability to run away . So you have to pay attention to your position on the battlefield even more so than any other mech out there (excluding the new Tech). You cannot run away very easily. If you have not figured out how to time your shots right, playing in a C class can be brutal. And if you overextend you are dead with no option to flee.

[dEd101]

Assuming equal skill brawler vs rocketeer at mid range in open rocketeer wins. With cover it's a tough call.

Cqc brawler wins hands down (it will pretty much slaughter anything except a raider in blitz mode).

Certian maps favour certain mechs. On Bazaar I don't usually take brawler unless I'm planning to hold ground but rocketeer works well. On origin the brawler will tear most teams to shreds but rocketeer can have issues with cover (although shooting from the bridge down is like shooting fish in a barrel).

In short: it depends...

[Galaxy_TheLeo]

oh i think its so cool ~

[dEd101]

angryhampster, on April 24 2013 - 04:39 AM, said:

Can brawlers dominate games like the scout, raider, or berserker_

This is more of a mobility issue than anything else. Those 3 you mentioned are very fast hit and run mechs. The brawler is much slower and can't get across the map to nab assists and kills.

I've seen more brawlers at the top of the logs than rocketeers though.I also haven't seen many beserkers topping the logs either.

The other mech that often dominates is the SS. This is thanks to high burst damage of mid to long range and hitscan weapons.

[Dread_Lord_Pitr]

I've had more luck with my Grenadier than with my Brawler since the patch came out...
Just FYI.
Tried to keep the AA on Origin (Siege), Brawler failed to do enough substantial damage to the enemy.
Switched to Heat Grenadier, and presto chango, gaining XP for assists and kills like i was handing out candy outside a school.

[Saturnine]

I made a post about Brawler a while back, here it is.


Brawler strategy, in its' most basic form, boils down to one phrase: reach out and hug someone. You have THE explicitly dangerous close range weapon of the game, and you can do some serious damage if you are close enough to make real use of it, but then...

You don't have to worry about missing shots when most of your screen is being taken up by your enemy's soon-to-be scrap metal ass.
If you get up close, you are taking control of the situation, and you stop worrying about the fight, and they start worrying about the fight they started with the fatty that is right there in their face.

Guess what; your opponent sure as hell doesn't have nerves of steel in that situation, no matter what their skill level. They are going to make one of a couple decisions:

1) They panic and run the hell away leaving themselves open to your flak and tow shots.

2) They panic and try to run the hell away, but mess up because 850 health worth of angry is right there pulling off chunks of their armor with all the purpose of The Terminator pulling strips of metal off that car they thought they were safe in.

3) They try and shoot you, but since you are the one who got control of the situation and initiated the wonderful romance that is a mech-on-mech hug, they can't keep track of you, and are panicking as you circle strafe them. You know what's going on, you know where you and the enemy are, and all they know is that there is fat ass behind them that is tearing them a new one.

4) They try and shoot you, and in their panic fire off their explosives at short range. Good. You have more health than they do, and you'll be damned if they don't regret that Pilot Error gun as they wind up causing themselves more trouble bouncing their TOWs off your glorious metal beast. Even if you're up against another C class, if you are the initiator of this hug, you have the control. You started this, and you're sure as hell gonna finish it. This means they're starting off disoriented, and you got the first hits off on them.

You are the big fat metal bastard in the world of Hawken. If you are going to leverage that position you have as the fat mech, then you need to act the part. You are the biggest, scariest thing out there, and if you get up in the face of your enemies and let them know with the sweet sweet caress of super heated metal raking across their windshield, you can bet they're going to remember it.

You'll be the hardass with the nerves of steel, and they'll be the ones who are panicking and shooting wildly when they see you stomping down the battlefield at them.

You are a brawler. You take your throne at the top of the food chain and you show those mini mechs who the real badass is.

[Fantus_Longhorn]

Saturnine, on April 24 2013 - 05:48 AM, said:

Liberally applied Sat-o-wall^TM

This guy knows Brawlers, heed his words.



Note: Sat-o-wall^TM should be applied in moderation, may cause death or Fuzzy Bunny from the Fuzzy Bunny.

[FussyBadger]

I'm determined to be successful with the Rocketeer. Unfortunately, I'm not sure that success looks the way that I want it to. As mentioned earlier, it really is a support mech. In the last patch, you could be pretty aggressive with the higher damage output from EOC & HF, but that's gone. I struggle to deal with an aggressive rush. I don't want to switch to seekers, since the EOC feels more challenging and rewarding, but I get the feeling that I'm trying to shove a square peg into a round hole when I get aggressive with the Rocketeer.

[ropefish]

i believe that it all depends on how the player uses said mech
just my opinion

[ropefish]

Saturnine, on April 24 2013 - 05:48 AM, said:

I made a post about Brawler a while back, here it is.


Brawler strategy, in its' most basic form, boils down to one phrase: reach out and hug someone. You have THE explicitly dangerous close range weapon of the game, and you can do some serious damage if you are close enough to make real use of it, but then...

You don't have to worry about missing shots when most of your screen is being taken up by your enemy's soon-to-be scrap metal ass.
If you get up close, you are taking control of the situation, and you stop worrying about the fight, and they start worrying about the fight they started with the fatty that is right there in their face.

Guess what; your opponent sure as hell doesn't have nerves of steel in that situation, no matter what their skill level. They are going to make one of a couple decisions:

1) They panic and run the hell away leaving themselves open to your flak and tow shots.

2) They panic and try to run the hell away, but mess up because 850 health worth of angry is right there pulling off chunks of their armor with all the purpose of The Terminator pulling strips of metal off that car they thought they were safe in.

3) They try and shoot you, but since you are the one who got control of the situation and initiated the wonderful romance that is a mech-on-mech hug, they can't keep track of you, and are panicking as you circle strafe them. You know what's going on, you know where you and the enemy are, and all they know is that there is fat ass behind them that is tearing them a new one.

4) They try and shoot you, and in their panic fire off their explosives at short range. Good. You have more health than they do, and you'll be damned if they don't regret that Pilot Error gun as they wind up causing themselves more trouble bouncing their TOWs off your glorious metal beast. Even if you're up against another C class, if you are the initiator of this hug, you have the control. You started this, and you're sure as hell gonna finish it. This means they're starting off disoriented, and you got the first hits off on them.

You are the big fat metal bastard in the world of Hawken. If you are going to leverage that position you have as the fat mech, then you need to act the part. You are the biggest, scariest thing out there, and if you get up in the face of your enemies and let them know with the sweet sweet caress of super heated metal raking across their windshield, you can bet they're going to remember it.

You'll be the hardass with the nerves of steel, and they'll be the ones who are panicking and shooting wildly when they see you stomping down the battlefield at them.

You are a brawler. You take your throne at the top of the food chain and you show those mini mechs who the real badass is.

it is so beautiful....... *weep*

[SeaOfInsanity]

Saturnine, on April 24 2013 - 05:48 AM, said:

Brawler Poetry

It's so true *sniff*

[angryhampster]

Thanks for everytging.  Ive yet to see a brawler hold its grit in the 2k rating area.

[Beefsweat]

Saturnine, on April 24 2013 - 05:48 AM, said:

You are the big fat metal bastard in the world of Hawken. If you are going to leverage that position you have as the fat mech, then you need to act the part. You are the biggest, scariest thing out there, and if you get up in the face of your enemies and let them know with the sweet sweet caress of super heated metal raking across their windshield, you can bet they're going to remember it.

You'll be the hardass with the nerves of steel, and they'll be the ones who are panicking and shooting wildly when they see you stomping down the battlefield at them.

You are a brawler. You take your throne at the top of the food chain and you show those mini mechs who the real badass is.

It's too bad that C-classes get melted down almost instantly by any group that knows what they're doing...