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[Hrono]

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You do understand that continuing to say the same fuzzy bunny over and over again brings the conversation nowhere right_ You mention egos, but you were the first to bring into question the skill/player experience of everyone in HAB

Yes you are right, nowhere. Its like when you say "buthurt:" all the time.
Yes i question the skill/player experience of the HAB, you guys will have your impact on the game i play and love.
What dose it have to do with egos_

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You mean empirical testing involving checking and double checking values as they stand within the game_

It did not help you see the results i have. If you want i can prove it to you ingame.

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This does not actually contradict your previous sweeping statements. A few could be anywhere from 1% to 20%. You have still been making baseless assertions both concerning the backgrounds of most of the HAB members (without even knowing who is involved) and the reasons why they were chosen

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You then DENIED that you had said anything about the ENTIRETY of the HAB group, and you and hotdog both LIED about previous statements
Can we stop bullshitting yet_

The only thing i denied was this statement:

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When your opinion is founded on baseless assertions that I can actually confirm aren't true (like nobody in HAB having testing experience, suggesting that nobody/almost nobody in HAB plays Hawken, etc.

Because this is what I wrote

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80% of you guys don't know fuzzy bunny about game mechanics,  your just a mob of arrogant forum warriors who never misses the opportunity to say how good it is to be in BSB(for example) and etc

Where did i said that nobody in Hawken has no testing experience__
Or that nobody/almost plays Hawken.

Who is the liar beeman _ tell me

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If your opinion is that everyone who posts on the forums is unable to kill you in a fair fight in game, and I can point out a number of people who have utterly destroyed you in fair fights, then calling your statement an opinion doesn't do anything.

No there are plenty of people on the forums who can kill me,but
I can assure that this number will become smaller if the games will be on the UK servers, its really hard to play with 200 ping that is if you want it to be a real fair fight.
And surprisingly i am not afraid to go to US servers and die a few times, and i never did see you on the UK.

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In this case, you've made statements regarding the experience of HAB participants, the selection process, and a number of other things that you honestly can't back up. There's no proof behind anything you've sad whatsoever, and blatant proof to the contrary. Stating that you were just expressing an opinion is ignorant and ineffectual

all my conclusion are made upon the information you THE CORE give to us, to the rest of the community that is not so important for hawken ©

but now, i have new information and sadly it confirms my fears

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just want to say that the selection process for HAB was kinda goofy as i know people who have multiple accounts and those accounts received invites. Even though those same accounts are barely months old and have virtually zero forum association. So i wouldn't be surprised if they just pulled names out of a hat. Im actually surprised i was invited cause the most constructive thing ive done on the forums was make a poll about the SS back in December or god even knows. I have literally just played the game like you all have. I didnt purchase any of the vanguard stuff too. I played in alpha but im 100% positive other people who were didn't get invited. So again i bet they threw darts at a wall of names.

but I am glad hestoned is in the HAB, at least he is not a random guy.

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That also has nothing to do with what was being discussed. Did you mean to put something else in there_

You are right, it is hard to understand my point, i am sorry.
I will recreate a small dialog:

-That's hardly justification for making a series of sweeping accusations about those selected and then calling the entire process a mistake. It's worth noting © Bee
-You think its for you to decide if someones opinion is valuable or not _ © Hr
-No, nor does that have ANYTHING to do with what I said © Bee
-Yes you are, look:
[font=play, helvetica, arial, sans-serif]It's worth noting©[/font]


The end.

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Again, if you can't understand why other development processes following much the same pattern Hawken has (and several of my given examples are also shooters) in regards to this program are comparable, then there's no point in discussing HAB with you.

I will say it again, even if these are all FPS it doesn't mean that the DEVELOPMENT can be comparable.
Because i dont think that the games you named have the same issues as Hawken, for example:
1.disappearing tow rockets and grenades
2.shots that hit the target and do no damage.
3.small teleports, etc.

in my opinion hawken strongest point is uniqueness
and if hawken will choose to walk the same path as other projects the majority of this uniqueness will disappear

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I argue based on what I know to be true, you instead argue based on how emotionally invested you become in something and make blatantly incorrect statements/statements you can't possibly back up
The onus ultimately is on you to bring backing to your statements, or they're just mindless trash talk

So what you know to be true is true, and what I know to be true is false_

If i had incorrect statements i can't possibly back up or mindless trash talk, our conversation would be over pages ago

Edited by Hrono, August 01 2013 - 02:44 AM.

[HotDog]

AsianJoyKiller, on July 31 2013 - 09:00 PM, said:

Hrono, just an FYI, you're acting pretty much exactly like the "forum warriors" you're putting down.

hestoned, on July 31 2013 - 05:07 PM, said:

If you guys want to talk about picking favorites why does no one mention the cockpit show_ They get free codes to give out and even received free clothing. Other players even mentioned having free knowledge from the devs of what was to come in HAB before it even began. I wont drop names as to not get anyone in trouble but thats the case. I cant even get stats of who has the most points in what mech but other players are treated as special and receive free swag and and free codes. That is true favoritism.

When was the last time you put in the time and effort of doing a weekly podcast show_
How often have you organized interviews with the devs_
How much money have you spent to make regular giveaways possible_
How often do you go out of your way to try and talk directly to the devs or develop relationships with them_
How much time do you spent testing specific mechanics and documenting data_

It's less about favoritism and more about the devs showing appreciation for those who demonstrate a dedication to the game beyond what is normal.

Sorry to quote you m8 - But that is the point!

I have tons of E-Mails and Tickets to MTR (as MTR even stated Press access!) Never recieved a thing btw...

We even tryed to orgenise Events - Shot a special Video - With very highend licenced music from our sponsor. That got ignored!

This all happened form mid Dec. 2012 to Feb. 2013 - We asked for a Private Server with Spectator view and realy tryed our outmost... From Day one it has been sead that the function is coming... all in a suddon ive seen a stream by a user at Feb. using the Spectator! Im not calling out names but that made my very angry since we spend allot of money to get licenced music and a professional video editor!

This is how far we went and even more...

We tryed to orgenize events Clanwar matches without involving the public servers.. After months of fighting to even get one... We got one with the concent of Scapes (still my Hero) - We had a few complications at start but did it very nicly - But see how long it took.... Other PPL had this opertunity many times and we got that single chance to make it - We build our contact with Scapes - but then the Horror started!!! - Scapes and Jody were gone and nobody tryed to rebuild a comunication way to us anymore. We tryed but we gave up on that....

The other part was to build up a huge clan alliance of all EU clans. With a Extra Webpage and its own league system.... That was scrapped do to the announcement that clan support is on its way to hawken....

So plz AJK ive got all that in writing - There are allot of FAV. in Hawken - Thats the reason why i go off allot of times here in the forum - NO Communication at all!!! I even get more Support from EA..

We are still the Nr. 1 German resource of Hawken and we had to decide if this fighting has to come to an end!!! We came to the point were we dont want to support Hawken anymore until the new Patch is implimented! (Makes no sense to wait becouse news will come when patch hits the ground)

From there on we see this as a reset to hawken and try to rebuild communication ways! Maybe something will come up i dont know!

Im just disapointed we tryed so much and went soo much over our ways.... just to get textbook answers like Later...

Best regards

Eli. aka HotDog

P.S. I wish it very hard that the patch will change even the way ppl communicate at MTR/ADH for the better!

[Hrono]

AsianJoyKiller, on July 31 2013 - 09:00 PM, said:

Hrono, just an FYI, you're acting pretty much exactly like the "forum warriors" you're putting down.

I know i know, I am on the forum only when not home, otherwise you would see me only in game. Don't have the possibility to play hawken elsewhere.

[h0B0]

HotDog, on August 01 2013 - 02:18 AM, said:

AsianJoyKiller, on July 31 2013 - 09:00 PM, said:

Hrono, just an FYI, you're acting pretty much exactly like the "forum warriors" you're putting down.

hestoned, on July 31 2013 - 05:07 PM, said:

If you guys want to talk about picking favorites why does no one mention the cockpit show_ They get free codes to give out and even received free clothing. Other players even mentioned having free knowledge from the devs of what was to come in HAB before it even began. I wont drop names as to not get anyone in trouble but thats the case. I cant even get stats of who has the most points in what mech but other players are treated as special and receive free swag and and free codes. That is true favoritism.

When was the last time you put in the time and effort of doing a weekly podcast show_
How often have you organized interviews with the devs_
How much money have you spent to make regular giveaways possible_
How often do you go out of your way to try and talk directly to the devs or develop relationships with them_
How much time do you spent testing specific mechanics and documenting data_

It's less about favoritism and more about the devs showing appreciation for those who demonstrate a dedication to the game beyond what is normal.

Sorry to quote you m8 - But that is the point!

I have tons of E-Mails and Tickets to MTR (as MTR even stated Press access!) Never recieved a thing btw...

We even tryed to orgenise Events - Shot a special Video - With very highend licenced music from our sponsor. That got ignored!

This all happened form mid Dec. 2012 to Feb. 2013 - We asked for a Private Server with Spectator view and realy tryed our outmost... From Day one it has been sead that the function is coming... all in a suddon ive seen a stream by a user at Feb. using the Spectator! Im not calling out names but that made my very angry since we spend allot of money to get licenced music and a professional video editor!

This is how far we went and even more...

We tryed to orgenize events Clanwar matches without involving the public servers.. After months of fighting to even get one... We got one with the concent of Scapes (still my Hero) - We had a few complications at start but did it very nicly - But see how long it took.... Other PPL had this opertunity many times and we got that single chance to make it - We build our contact with Scapes - but then the Horror started!!! - Scapes and Jody were gone and nobody tryed to rebuild a comunication way to us anymore. We tryed but we gave up on that....

The other part was to build up a huge clan alliance of all EU clans. With a Extra Webpage and its own league system.... That was scrapped do to the announcement that clan support is on its way to hawken....

So plz AJK ive got all that in writing - There are allot of FAV. in Hawken - Thats the reason why i go off allot of times here in the forum - NO Communication at all!!! I even get more Support from EA..

We are still the Nr. 1 German resource of Hawken and we had to decide if this fighting has to come to an end!!! We came to the point were we dont want to support Hawken anymore until the new Patch is implimented! (Makes no sense to wait becouse news will come when patch hits the ground)

From there on we see this as a reset to hawken and try to rebuild communication ways! Maybe something will come up i dont know!

Im just disapointed we tryed so much and went soo much over our ways.... just to get textbook answers like Later...

Best regards

Eli. aka HotDog

P.S. I wish it very hard that the patch will change even the way ppl communicate at MTR/ADH for the better!

So you managed to get a private server with observer mode after months of effort. You were one of the favorites. We can't all be firsts.

I also wish the patch will help communication between the devs and the community.

[Roundlay]

AsianJoyKiller, on July 31 2013 - 09:00 PM, said:

It's less about favoritism and more about the devs showing appreciation for those who demonstrate a dedication to the game beyond what is normal.

Spent about 200 hours designing/programming a Hawken stats calculator and loadout optimiser, including about 15 hours of testing and feedback from members of the community that showed an interest. Given that the tool displayed accurate stats for all weapons, items, abilities, etc., I messaged the developers in order to figure out whether or not they liked it, and whether or not they were okay with me releasing the tool to the public. No reply.

I don't think favouritism is the word I'd use either, but it's fairly clear, at least anecdotally, that this is less about favouritism, and more about the developers showing a selective appreciation for those who demonstrate a dedication to the game beyond what is normal.

[Pure_Amazing]

HotDog, on August 01 2013 - 02:18 AM, said:

This all happened form mid Dec. 2012 to Feb. 2013 - We asked for a Private Server with Spectator view and realy tryed our outmost... From Day one it has been sead that the function is coming... all in a suddon ive seen a stream by a user at Feb. using the Spectator! Im not calling out names but that made my very angry since we spend allot of money to get licenced music and a professional video editor!

This is how far we went and even more...

We tryed to orgenize events Clanwar matches without involving the public servers.. After months of fighting to even get one... We got one with the concent of Scapes (still my Hero) - We had a few complications at start but did it very nicly - But see how long it took.... Other PPL had this opertunity many times and we got that single chance to make it - We build our contact with Scapes - but then the Horror started!!! - Scapes and Jody were gone and nobody tryed to rebuild a comunication way to us anymore. We tryed but we gave up on that....

We asked many times for access to a private server for a clan match, we were denied every time we asked. I wonder if there was some favoritism there...

DUN DUN DUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN........................ joking btw... don't wanna kick something else of...

HotDog, on August 01 2013 - 02:18 AM, said:

The other part was to build up a huge clan alliance of all EU clans. With a Extra Webpage and its own league system.... That was scrapped do to the announcement that clan support is on its way to hawken....

Why does the introduction of clan support suddenly destroy all hopes for your clan alliance_ And if clan support was the deciding factor to whether this clan alliance would work, why did you even bother trying to set it up since we knew clan support was on its way_

We can still have a separate website with its own league system and clan lists.

Example: http://www.gameshrine.org/

[M4st0d0n]

OdinTheWise, on July 31 2013 - 08:37 PM, said:

M4st0d0n, on July 31 2013 - 06:45 AM, said:

Pastorius, on July 31 2013 - 06:42 AM, said:

Why not ask Houruck if you can settle this at Fight Club on Friday night_ I bet you could sell tickets

Damn I became Beemann's champion.

What have I doooooone_

Must go take a shower right now.

You can be my champion too, I would deal with it in a gentalmen's duel but I am unable.

Hellyeah! That's what I do. Duel with Hrono on the next Fight Club.

[OdinTheWise]

h0B0, on August 01 2013 - 03:23 AM, said:

HotDog, on August 01 2013 - 02:18 AM, said:

AsianJoyKiller, on July 31 2013 - 09:00 PM, said:

Hrono, just an FYI, you're acting pretty much exactly like the "forum warriors" you're putting down.

hestoned, on July 31 2013 - 05:07 PM, said:

If you guys want to talk about picking favorites why does no one mention the cockpit show_ They get free codes to give out and even received free clothing. Other players even mentioned having free knowledge from the devs of what was to come in HAB before it even began. I wont drop names as to not get anyone in trouble but thats the case. I cant even get stats of who has the most points in what mech but other players are treated as special and receive free swag and and free codes. That is true favoritism.

When was the last time you put in the time and effort of doing a weekly podcast show_
How often have you organized interviews with the devs_
How much money have you spent to make regular giveaways possible_
How often do you go out of your way to try and talk directly to the devs or develop relationships with them_
How much time do you spent testing specific mechanics and documenting data_

It's less about favoritism and more about the devs showing appreciation for those who demonstrate a dedication to the game beyond what is normal.

Sorry to quote you m8 - But that is the point!

I have tons of E-Mails and Tickets to MTR (as MTR even stated Press access!) Never recieved a thing btw...

We even tryed to orgenise Events - Shot a special Video - With very highend licenced music from our sponsor. That got ignored!

This all happened form mid Dec. 2012 to Feb. 2013 - We asked for a Private Server with Spectator view and realy tryed our outmost... From Day one it has been sead that the function is coming... all in a suddon ive seen a stream by a user at Feb. using the Spectator! Im not calling out names but that made my very angry since we spend allot of money to get licenced music and a professional video editor!

This is how far we went and even more...

We tryed to orgenize events Clanwar matches without involving the public servers.. After months of fighting to even get one... We got one with the concent of Scapes (still my Hero) - We had a few complications at start but did it very nicly - But see how long it took.... Other PPL had this opertunity many times and we got that single chance to make it - We build our contact with Scapes - but then the Horror started!!! - Scapes and Jody were gone and nobody tryed to rebuild a comunication way to us anymore. We tryed but we gave up on that....

The other part was to build up a huge clan alliance of all EU clans. With a Extra Webpage and its own league system.... That was scrapped do to the announcement that clan support is on its way to hawken....

So plz AJK ive got all that in writing - There are allot of FAV. in Hawken - Thats the reason why i go off allot of times here in the forum - NO Communication at all!!! I even get more Support from EA..

We are still the Nr. 1 German resource of Hawken and we had to decide if this fighting has to come to an end!!! We came to the point were we dont want to support Hawken anymore until the new Patch is implimented! (Makes no sense to wait becouse news will come when patch hits the ground)

From there on we see this as a reset to hawken and try to rebuild communication ways! Maybe something will come up i dont know!

Im just disapointed we tryed so much and went soo much over our ways.... just to get textbook answers like Later...

Best regards

Eli. aka HotDog

P.S. I wish it very hard that the patch will change even the way ppl communicate at MTR/ADH for the better!

So you managed to get a private server with observer mode after months of effort. You were one of the favorites. We can't all be firsts.

I also wish the patch will help communication between the devs and the community.

Private servers were not just given out to their friends. They were testing the viability of the concept it's self. To see how it would work. Just an FYI.

[HotDog]

Just to set things strait - The Private Server was a one time deal and it was for the Clanwar Match - Blue-Vengeance vs. Vodka PPL - No Spectator view - just a server with one mode and one map that is all!

After that MTR wanted to create a form on how to gain access to Private Servers and how to announce it on time. That was never done because Scapes and Jody were gone shortly after....

So we are no fav. to MTR - That was a fluke and it just happened once! After that all what ive sead before - We just wait and see... and start from a new...

[Beemann]

Hrono, on August 01 2013 - 02:03 AM, said:

Yes you are right, nowhere. Its like when you say "buthurt:" all the time.
Yes i question the skill/player experience of the HAB, you guys will have your impact on the game i play and love.
What dose it have to do with egos_

When you lash out at large parts of the community due to personal issues, it does make you look butthurt
And you mention egos while asserting/heavily implying that people in HAB don't know how to play and were only picked because ADH likes them. Do you understand that this is hypocritical_ Your posts frequently imply that "80%" of HAB are an inferior choice compared to you

Hrono, on August 01 2013 - 02:03 AM, said:

It did not help you see the results i have. If you want i can prove it to you ingame.

TIL "nope" is a valid response to testing done multiple times by several groups of people

Hrono, on August 01 2013 - 02:03 AM, said:

The only thing i denied was this statement:

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When your opinion is founded on baseless assertions that I can actually confirm aren't true (like nobody in HAB having testing experience, suggesting that nobody/almost nobody in HAB plays Hawken, etc.

Because this is what I wrote

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80% of you guys don't know fuzzy bunny about game mechanics,  your just a mob of arrogant forum warriors who never misses the opportunity to say how good it is to be in BSB(for example) and etc

Where did i said that nobody in Hawken has no testing experience__
Or that nobody/almost plays Hawken.

You understand that 80% is most of the population right_ 20% of the respondents from a small number of invites = almost nobody

Hrono, on August 01 2013 - 02:03 AM, said:

Who is the liar beeman _ tell me

Honestly I think the limits of your understanding of the english language are just showing here. Either you're a very poor liar or you're missing what you're actually saying here

Hrono, on August 01 2013 - 02:03 AM, said:

No there are plenty of people on the forums who can kill me,but
I can assure that this number will become smaller if the games will be on the UK servers, its really hard to play with 200 ping that is if you want it to be a real fair fight.
And surprisingly i am not afraid to go to US servers and die a few times, and i never did see you on the UK.

You understand that what I stated was an example right_ You're asking me where your ego comes in, but I mention a hypothetical scenario and you practically ask me to 1v1 you

Hrono, on August 01 2013 - 02:03 AM, said:

all my conclusion are made upon the information you THE CORE give to us, to the rest of the community that is not so important for hawken ©

Your constant patronising reference to a group only Odin named is tiring. Your constant insistence that HAB is an elevation of status even more so

Hrono, on August 01 2013 - 02:03 AM, said:

but now, i have new information and sadly it confirms my fears

You have information that states that you know fuzzy bunny-all about HAB_ Cuz that's really all that's been provided in this thread

Hrono, on August 01 2013 - 02:03 AM, said:

but I am glad hestoned is in the HAB, at least he is not a random guy.

So the selection process should involve people you know and approve of_

Hrono, on August 01 2013 - 02:03 AM, said:

You are right, it is hard to understand my point, i am sorry.
I will recreate a small dialog:

-That's hardly justification for making a series of sweeping accusations about those selected and then calling the entire process a mistake. It's worth noting © Bee
-You think its for you to decide if someones opinion is valuable or not _ © Hr
-No, nor does that have ANYTHING to do with what I said © Bee
-Yes you are, look:
It's worth noting©

You do realize that that still doesn't make any sense right_

Hrono, on August 01 2013 - 02:03 AM, said:

I will say it again, even if these are all FPS it doesn't mean that the DEVELOPMENT can be comparable.
Because i dont think that the games you named have the same issues as Hawken, for example:
1.disappearing tow rockets and grenades
2.shots that hit the target and do no damage.
3.small teleports, etc.

Wow... so more statements from ignorance eh_
Firefall has had noregs, shots that don't fire, and weird movement bugs
In fact, pretty much every game gets those at some point in development, if not during testing phases and after release..

So once again, you're making ridiculous assertions about things you know nothing of. Please stop

Hrono, on August 01 2013 - 02:03 AM, said:

in my opinion hawken strongest point is uniqueness
and if hawken will choose to walk the same path as other projects the majority of this uniqueness will disappear

1. Development processes != game mechanics.
2. Explain what Hawken has that other games don't. If its strongest point is how unique it is, what makes it unique_

Hrono, on August 01 2013 - 02:03 AM, said:

If i had incorrect statements i can't possibly back up or mindless trash talk, our conversation would be over pages ago

You would think that, and yet you persist
If you feel there's any backing to your claims, prove it. Prove that 80% of the players in HAB don't play Hawken or have any testing experience. Prove that no other games I listed ever had any netcode issues. Prove that Hawken needs a unique development process. Prove that HAB is being elevated to any sort of higher status

Roundlay, on August 01 2013 - 03:39 AM, said:

Spent about 200 hours designing/programming a Hawken stats calculator and loadout optimiser, including about 15 hours of testing and feedback from members of the community that showed an interest. Given that the tool displayed accurate stats for all weapons, items, abilities, etc., I messaged the developers in order to figure out whether or not they liked it, and whether or not they were okay with me releasing the tool to the public. No reply.

I don't think favouritism is the word I'd use either, but it's fairly clear, at least anecdotally, that this is less about favouritism, and more about the developers showing a selective appreciation for those who demonstrate a dedication to the game beyond what is normal.

We don't get replies to many of our questions and requests either. That's just how it works
ADH doesn't really like people giving out the actual numbers, as they prefer balancing be based on how the game "feels". We've butted heads on this several times already, and we've continued our testing and spreadsheet filling (minus some recent drop-off in the latter) regardless... because when people see the actual mechanics behind the gameplay they DO get a greater understanding of where things are at. The difference is that we just went out and did it. Any support, like the support for the tourney in Feb. happened as a result of the event already being organized and planned out. We were ready to run that whole thing based on friend list invites and cockpit-shot recordings done by volunteers. We also had the backing of a community recognized stream, because we asked them if they were interested in being involved and they thankfully said yes.

We didn't sit around and wait for ADH to give the OK, we just did it. BSB just decided to start running Fight Club every week. We just decided to spend time every patch testing and publishing the numbers and mechanics behind the weapons. The Cockpit crew decided to spend time and money making a weekly stream. The IRC got up and running and those guys have done an excellent job when it comes to utilizing it to organize matches and discuss the game.

I agree that HWK needs to communicate more, but that shouldn't stop you from organizing your own events, testing, etc.

And that aside, you're ignoring other potential factors. Maybe ADH wants to bring in different portions of the playerbase, or, since new user experience was listed, maybe one of the priorities they had for picking people involved NOT having much in the way of playtime/experience. Maybe they felt that testing on one set of servers, like they do on live, would be the best choice and didn't want too many people playing on high ping
Maybe they plan on selecting different and separate groups for testing different features, or testing on different servers.

Any of those could be correct, all or none of them could be correct. You DONT KNOW. You have no proof either way, and the NDA legally prevents any light from being shed by anyone aside from MTR/ADH.

[HotDog]

Sry PureAmazing,

for the late response.... We have build up a hidden Forum for all the Clanleads...

The only ppl online at that time was ... Im not telling. But all the Clanleads had an account and i was available 24-7!

Since there was no interrest and the announcement blew off a few things we closed that project - We need dedicated ppl to handle such an approach... We could carry so much but with out support from the clans - The BV Team came to closure of that project...

We even had special tools in mind for the Community to have for free! But since the System is being rewritten in such a way we need to wait wat changes effect what type of project!

The BV Team announced all that to MTR Support and tada all that work for nothing... We scrapped in total of 5 Major Projects becouse the complete Skill System is changeing.... PPL Stuck hours and hours of work just to get a msg from me that ADH has come to inlightenment to change the complete skiill behavior... If this would have been a Open Beta by the books we would just need minor changes but this behaves all the way as a Closed Beta!

Nobody and I mean Nobody changes basic game mechnics thru the open beta stage....

[Roundlay]

Beemann, on August 01 2013 - 04:22 AM, said:

We don't get replies to many of our questions and requests either. That's just how it works
ADH doesn't really like people giving out the actual numbers, as they prefer balancing be based on how the game "feels". We've butted heads on this several times already, and we've continued our testing and spreadsheet filling (minus some recent drop-off in the latter) regardless... because when people see the actual mechanics behind the gameplay they DO get a greater understanding of where things are at. The difference is that we just went out and did it. Any support, like the support for the tourney in Feb. happened as a result of the event already being organized and planned out. We were ready to run that whole thing based on friend list invites and cockpit-shot recordings done by volunteers. We also had the backing of a community recognized stream, because we asked them if they were interested in being involved and they thankfully said yes.

To clarify, I did "just go out and do it"—designed, programmed, hosted, tested, and polished my wares—but assumed, as you have clarified, that Adhesive might not want raw stats (as opposed to manually gathered stats) in the player's hands. I don't expect, or deserve anything from Adhesive—simply adding another perspective to the discussion.

I'm not sure if the rest was directed at me. Either way, I think you assume too much. I'm not (not trying to, anyway!) "ignoring other potential factors". Without much concrete information to go on, I've tried to focus on those points that are interesting or important to me instead. Additionally, I don't claim to "know" what's going on. I don't, and this is why I buffer most of my comments with "at least anecdotally", and other flimsy excuses for words, and then stare into a majestic lake and remind myself that I'm talking about a videogame.

Edited by Roundlay, August 01 2013 - 05:18 AM.

[AsianJoyKiller]

Hrono, on August 01 2013 - 02:20 AM, said:

AsianJoyKiller, on July 31 2013 - 09:00 PM, said:

Hrono, just an FYI, you're acting pretty much exactly like the "forum warriors" you're putting down.

I know i know, I am on the forum only when not home, otherwise you would see me only in game. Don't have the possibility to play hawken elsewhere.

It's not about where you are posting from, and all about how you're posting.

You're acting strongly opinionated and not giving ground. Exactly like Beemann or other "forum warriors" act. But where you differ is you're making it a personal matter of ego and completely ignoring logic that proves your points wrong. You're making claims you can't possibly back up, and making false assertions about things you clearly lack knowledge of.

You're acting less like an adult in having debate and more like a child throwing a hissy fit. It's really rather unpleasant to see.

HotDog, on August 01 2013 - 02:18 AM, said:

So plz AJK ive got all that in writing - There are allot of FAV. in Hawken - Thats the reason why i go off allot of times here in the forum - NO Communication at all!!! I even get more Support from EA...

The experience you've told us about. That sounds almost exactly like what all the other "favorites" have gone through to get what they have.

We've received the attention we have because of sheer bullheadedness and the HWK staff has merely reacted to that by essentially saying "Well if you're going to go ahead and do that anyway..." and then provided support.

To me that's not favoritism, because to me, favoritism implies getting something for nothing (or doing very little). And everybody I know who's been getting special treatment has put in a Hell of a lot of work without HWK's help.

[ropefish]

why wont it die =_=

[xXHadronCutterXx]

That would be all.

[N0stalgia]

I always make popcorn before I log into the forums. Are other game forums like this_

[Leonhardt]

N0stalgia, on August 01 2013 - 09:33 AM, said:

I always make popcorn before I log into the forums. Are other game forums like this_

Worse.

[burns1124]

I'd also like to add that simply because one person used a word, that does not make the entirety of the HAB testers "arrogant forum warriors".  I do agree that Odin's signature needs to be scaled down, and possibly all signatures need to have a much smaller maximum size.  150x400 is about as big as any sig should ever be, any bigger and you just look like a pretentious fuzzy bunny imho.

Personally I think the guy who has his shirtless modeling pictures as his signature needs to go look up what arrogant means, and maybe get better spray tan.

P.S. I didn't miss these forums one bit....

Edited by burns1124, August 01 2013 - 09:56 AM.

[Saturnine]

Leonhardt, on August 01 2013 - 09:36 AM, said:

N0stalgia, on August 01 2013 - 09:33 AM, said:

I always make popcorn before I log into the forums. Are other game forums like this_

Worse.

As dramatic as things seem to be here - this is still one of the better public forums out there. If you want to see true terror, simply look at a forum for a sandbox creativity game.

I actually had no intent to visit these forums initially because I entirely expected this one to be just like all the others - but Der3z made me be active on here when they harangued me into joining the clan (somewhat ironically), and I did so grudgingly. However, I found that the community here, by and large, was more mature and well-spoken then most other places, so I stuck around.

Edited by Saturnine, August 01 2013 - 09:54 AM.