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[M4st0d0n]

Damn so they buffed my rockets and I'm stuck with so much work I didnt even had the chance to play invasion yet...

[davek1979]

HideyoshiYaoi, on November 14 2013 - 10:21 AM, said:

For the last freaking time, the hellfires do not "curve 180 degrees"

They don't start to track a target until about a quarter second after firing them.  That means until then, the missiles travel in a straight line, then begin to track a target.  This isn't magic, it's easily explainable technology.  Reaction wheels or micro thrusters are just two ways the little missiles can change direction before the main rocket begins firing, so stfu about it.  

Hellfires aren't broken.  I would rather fight a team of rocketeers over a team of scouts ANY DAY OF THE WEEK

Just stop running into the middle of a field like a fuzzy bunny and l2p

[driedjello]

DerMax, on November 14 2013 - 06:28 AM, said:

Ever played against 4 bruisers or rocketeers on Last Eco_ If you have, you probably know what I mean. This scenario is just plain boring: you go out in the open → you die; you don't go out in the open → nothing happens. And if you want to fight in the open and don't want to die, you'll have to flee a lot and repair a lot. Add a technician to the equation, and you'll get a boring-ass game that I don't want to be part of. This is why I normally skip Last Eco and Bazaar.

I completely don't understand why the devs buffed hellfires. No-one ever asked for it.

Were they underpowered prior to Invasion_ Don't think so.
Have the devs ever tried to dodge hellfires on a high ping_ Don't think so.

I think they should be returned to where they were.

What do you think_

My guess is the hellfires got a buff due to metrics the devs analyzed...

BTW, I have played MA on Eco where it was both teams running about 4 rocketeers and it was a hoot!

[driedjello]

HideyoshiYaoi, on November 14 2013 - 10:21 AM, said:

For the last freaking time, the hellfires do not "curve 180 degrees"

They don't start to track a target until about a quarter second after firing them.  That means until then, the missiles travel in a straight line, then begin to track a target.  This isn't magic, it's easily explainable technology.  Reaction wheels or micro thrusters are just two ways the little missiles can change direction before the main rocket begins firing, so stfu about it.  

Hellfires aren't broken.  I would rather fight a team of rocketeers over a team of scouts ANY DAY OF THE WEEK

Just stop running into the middle of a field like a fuzzy bunny and l2p

+1 for truth!

[craftydus]

HideyoshiYaoi, on November 14 2013 - 10:21 AM, said:

For the last freaking time,  This isn't magic, it's easily explainable technology.  Reaction wheels or micro thrusters are just two ways the little missiles can change direction before the main rocket begins firing, so stfu about it.  

Dude (or Dudette), whoa there!
So much nerd rage over a few "reaction wheels or micro thrusters"

Let's just chill out for a minute. Drink some milk, and noone gets hurt.

[Krellus]

hellfires are OP at low level and UP at high level, generally speaking, and have been since 12.12.12. experienced targets simply wont engage hellfires without cover. plus infil just negates hellfires with cloak. and holograms. and CQC.  hang on what are hellfires good for again_ oh yeah guys with no cover. sometimes.

[space_]

Ya personally I never find hellfires to be OMG OP lawl.. I reserve those comments for Raider OMGGGG OP

[Sylhiri]

Krellus, on November 14 2013 - 12:25 PM, said:

hellfires are OP at low level and UP at high level, generally speaking, and have been since 12.12.12. experienced targets simply wont engage hellfires without cover. plus infil just negates hellfires with cloak. and holograms. and CQC.  hang on what are hellfires good for again_ oh yeah guys with no cover. sometimes.

So I wonder why they keep on balancing for low tier. Against Infil you just need a shield and Failsafes, he really can't cloak forever, lol. All else fails fly away, what's he going to do boost at you in cloak for 3 seconds with no fuel left to dodge_ XD

Edited by Sylhiri, November 14 2013 - 12:30 PM.

[space_]

Infil > Bruiser or Rock at close range

[BlackCephie]

I think that hellfires are in a solid place right now. That said, I think they are still SLIGHTLY too effective at almost ANY range for what they should be, which is essentially long range support.

[space_]

Last update increased min lock distance.. they really are only good dumbfire in close range since invsion, and HFM dumbfire < pretty much anything else in cqc

[burns1124]

Nvain, on November 14 2013 - 11:19 AM, said:

burns1124, on November 14 2013 - 10:50 AM, said:

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I'm fine with HFs making the shots that cannot be made by direct fire secondaries, and OP is a very subjective word hence I didn't use it
I'm glad that their tracking capabilities got improved, as it seemed to cause trouble for the players who used them regularly, however I do believe that their damage increase was uncalled for and that the bugs that plague them (sharp corner turning & flying through walls) need to be fixed.

IIRC hellfire's received no damage increase/decrease in Invasion, only better tracking and Minimum lock distance

Nvain, on November 14 2013 - 11:19 AM, said:

As with every other online game, the forum community is always the minority... About the naive part, perhaps you're confusing what I said earlier with "I doubt that people would come to the forums and write silly things", which they actually do, sometimes. I think that the number of people who think "oh I'll just check out the forum and agree/disagree with this to see what happens", without any sort of basic reasoning behind, is low.

There are quite a few folks that will only take a counter argument to others, they are the minority, but the amount of bad ideas and just plain stupidity (i.e.. Any post ever that claims Reaper is underpowered) that floats around here is astounding.

[m3talc0re]

Also, I dunno about all of you, but my Hellfires are buggy as hell. Last night I was playing and I kept spamming my lock button and never had the lock animation show up. They wouldn't lock at all. And then when they did lock, them breaking lock was highly probable. IE: You get lock, turn to curve the trajectory, then they all just fly off in that direction instead.

[Dew]

Hellfires in and of themselves aren't really the issue aside from ease of use not really coinciding with their effectiveness. The issue with Hellfires right now is when you get a team of Bruisers and Rocketeers on a map like Eco or Bazaar. CQC is really not feasible at that point, Bruisers with the new ability are far too hardy and Rocketeers are sturdy to begin with. Anything that gets close is going to be dead long before the Hellfire squad, and simply sticking together in a ball becomes more effective than it already usually is. Without the kind of coordination that you aren't going to find in a pub, the other team really has no choice but to resort to their own long-range harassment and the match becomes a boring stalemate with less than 20 kills per side.

[Kenpos]

HatesYourFace, on November 14 2013 - 09:59 AM, said:

I don't know who was calling for a Hellfire buff, but I'm pretty sure no one was.

The few people who were complaining about "unreliable locks" doesn't really justify the changes imo.

Were few people complaining because few people chose to play a mech with Hellfires, cause they sucked hard. Half of the time, if no more, they missed for no good reason. They needed a buff and now they are fine, that's it.

[Fstroke]

Dew, on November 14 2013 - 02:29 PM, said:

Hellfires in and of themselves aren't really the issue aside from ease of use not really coinciding with their effectiveness. The issue with Hellfires right now is when you get a team of Bruisers and Rocketeers on a map like Eco or Bazaar. CQC is really not feasible at that point, Bruisers with the new ability are far too hardy and Rocketeers are sturdy to begin with. Anything that gets close is going to be dead long before the Hellfire squad, and simply sticking together in a ball becomes more effective than it already usually is. Without the kind of coordination that you aren't going to find in a pub, the other team really has no choice but to resort to their own long-range harassment and the match becomes a boring stalemate with less than 20 kills per side.

I actually like these maps because they are the only ones that dont dissolve into stalemate shoot outs from across the map. I find uptown and origin to be the biggest offenders of that but maybe thats just me.

Anyways carry on.

[JudgeGrey]

[Nvain]

Fstroke, on November 14 2013 - 02:59 PM, said:

I actually like these maps because they are the only ones that dont dissolve into stalemate shoot outs from across the map. I find uptown and origin to be the biggest offenders of that but maybe thats just me.

I find it to be quite the opposite I noticed that when I'm playing on Bazaar, Last Eco especially, and the other team is composed of 4 or 5 HF using mechs, it leads to my teammates dying and then immediately rushing back into the enemies, one by one, without regrouping. When that starts happening the game is pretty much over. I find that super boring and it doesn't happen on the other maps, at least not to that degree.

[Teljaxx]

The main thing that I do not like about the post Invasion Hellfires is the new tracking. Having them follow after their target is not nearly as interesting as having them lead it. The old tracking is what made most of the skillshots possible, and meant that you had to know how the weapon worked to use it well. But now, they are so much simpler and easier to use that they are just boring. Boring to play with, and boring to play against.

I have been using the Bruiser since CB3, and I though that the Hellfires had never been better than with Ascention. But now they have ruined that by making them too simple and easy to use.

And the glitches are a pain, too. Watching a Hellfire volley incoming, dodging behind a wall, seeing the missiles all hit the wall, then taking full damage anyway is fun...

[Lucier]

I am amused that there has been so much complaining recently about a weapon that really hasn't been changed beyond a minor bug fix.