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[Leonhardt]

Cloudstorm, on December 25 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

Thanks, a good read. Any thoughts on how best to use the reaper_

Positioning and aim are the key elements to using the reaper well. Don't over extend, don't get baited into zoning or corner play unless its to your pace and don't miss a shot. I know that a lot of players like to fire the reaper's weapons without scoping at close range, but I quick scope every shot to maximize DPS unless its an extreme situation such as I have to use my ability + a hop shot as I round a corner or chase someone who has a sliver of health.

The reaper's strengths are its A-class speed and maneuverability play to that and you will do well. The key to the reaper is not missing and denying your enemy a chance at killing you.

[RozerMahbub_]

i'm going to print this novel

[LU0P10]

Leonhardt, on December 25 2013 - 09:36 PM, said:

Cloudstorm, on December 25 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

Thanks, a good read. Any thoughts on how best to use the reaper_

I quick scope every shot to maximize DPS

KE-Sabot unscoped 94.05 vs scoped 95 per hit... that's really well optimized then. I don't scope at close ranges...

[Leonhardt]

LU0P10, on December 26 2013 - 03:06 AM, said:

Leonhardt, on December 25 2013 - 09:36 PM, said:

Cloudstorm, on December 25 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

Thanks, a good read. Any thoughts on how best to use the reaper_

I quick scope every shot to maximize DPS

KE-Sabot unscoped 94.05 vs scoped 95 per hit... that's really well optimized then. I don't scope at close ranges...

Its about the slug not the KE-Sabot and it also makes you far more accurate. Firing without at least quick scoping makes your shots more inaccurate.

EDIT: Plus the reaper already does horrible damage. It needs every little piece of damage it can muster if it wants to keep up with other damage sources.

Edited by Leonhardt, December 26 2013 - 06:23 AM.

[Kopra]

Last time I tested KE-Sabot in game (Ascension patch) it was 95 damage scoped and 85 unscoped. Slug was 68 damage scoped and 64 unscoped.

So scoping still brings a ~10% bonus to KE-Sabot and ~6% bonus to Slug. Or when firing them both at the same time (for burst/peekaboo purposes), a ~9% bonus.

[Magnesium_Jello]

Leonhardt, on December 08 2013 - 07:21 PM, said:

Goomba Stomping has always been viable!

[Magnesium_Jello]

That's what I do on origin with my heat scout

[angryhampster]

here's how i deal with good scouts..

[Xacius]

Edited in anticipation of the upcoming patch.

Edited by Xacius, January 29 2014 - 04:26 PM.

[Leonhardt]

Xacius, on January 26 2014 - 02:45 AM, said:

Your guide works better for players that fight the average A-class player that may not completely understand the meta.

Writing a guide to your audience is important. I did not write a guide for players that understand the game otherwise they would not need a guide.

Its a general guide to help players form a basic sense of understanding for an area that seems to be causing a lot of trouble. It is not the "how to guide" for the game and was not intended to be. Thats far more than I want to write and way more than most people want to read.

Pointing out everything that you think makes A-classes dominant in the meta does not contribute to a guide designed to help people overcome their fear of A-classes. Its like being the coach of the US Olympic diving team and telling them every mistake they have ever made right before they go out and dive for gold.

Sometimes things are best left unsaid especially when hitting your shots consistently eliminates them all together.

EDIT: Removed condescending lines as they were clearly out of line. My apologies.

Edited by Leonhardt, January 28 2014 - 11:08 AM.

[Xacius]

*EDIT*  took to pms.

Edited by Xacius, January 26 2014 - 04:31 PM.

[Leonhardt]

Edit: Was taken to PM's

Edited by Leonhardt, January 28 2014 - 11:08 AM.

[Nept]

Xacius, on January 26 2014 - 04:24 PM, said:

*EDIT*  took to pms.

In his own words, people: Xacius' combative posts are due largely to premenstrual syndrome.

[Xacius]

Leonhardt, on January 26 2014 - 04:36 PM, said:

Xacius, on January 26 2014 - 04:24 PM, said:

Determining why something is overpowered or dominant is the first step to understanding how to counter it, or how to balance it during development.  People should be aware of the potential of A-classes.  Making a guide that undermines this potential gives players a false perspective on how to deal with the class.

Providing an excuse for yourself and others is a road to folly. I will not give others a way to justify their loss be it true or false. The meaning behind such actions seems to be lost on you and I find it quite silly that your word carries so much weight, but your thought into helping others falls short of the responsibility of that weight.

Providing an excuse is far different than looking at the entire picture.  In the end, you're still ignoring key aspects of the meta that contribute to A-class dominance.  The only difference between your post and mine was that your post was general and mine was focused on the optimal setup.  My word carries weight because I look at all factors involved.  

Leonhardt, on January 26 2014 - 04:36 PM, said:

Xacius, on January 26 2014 - 04:24 PM, said:

Was simply providing critique, no need to get defensive.  Let's not turn this into a shitshow.  Tbh, you'd lose that fight 5 times over.

Its easy to win a fight when fighting ones self, but in the end you lose just as often as you win.

Philosopher Lion has spoken.  I couldn't really interpret the gibberish.

Edited by Xacius, January 26 2014 - 04:46 PM.

[Nept]

In all seriousness, I don't know why the both of you are arguing when there's a LARGE BALANCE PASS PATCH - which you both presumably know quite a bit about - coming next month, whose content is already locked.

[Xacius]

Nept, on January 26 2014 - 05:10 PM, said:

In all seriousness, I don't know why the both of you are arguing when there's a LARGE BALANCE PASS PATCH - which you both presumably know quite a bit about - coming next month, whose content is already locked.

A-classes still gon be fast.

[Sam123456]

Xacius, on January 26 2014 - 05:16 PM, said:

A-classes still gon be fast.

Reported for violating nda.

[Xacius]

Sam123456, on January 26 2014 - 06:51 PM, said:

Xacius, on January 26 2014 - 05:16 PM, said:

A-classes still gon be fast.

Reported for violating nda.

Reported for publicly reporting me.

[Sam123456]

Oh snap!

[Bazookagofer]

I am going to quote my german teacher:

"SO CHILDISH"

P.S. Leon stop defending the scout to your last breath. You know the scout has many advantages over other mechs and you openly deny it which is funny. Because even looking at the numbers it pretty over the top. And the "learn2aim" argument doesn't work in a game where average ping in your own region varies between 60-100 on normal days and on bad days 100-150. And not to forget that this game has something definitely wrong with it. If i can run warframe on low graphic and I can't run hawken on low(by the way warframe low graphics are way better then hawken low graphics) then it screwed up. And even without the ping the scout is fuzzy bunny screwed up.

P.S.S Dang ... I pulled myself right into the thick of it...

Edited by Bazookagofer, January 26 2014 - 07:23 PM.