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[Fivelon]

Zerker's down to 350 health again! Isn't that near to its original stats before they overbuffed everything for increased TTK_

I'll probably still roll Zerker forever, especially since there's no fuel cost for dodge and a 1sec cooldown... I bet we go back to pre-ascension shield use again. Shields everywhere. I'm ok with that.

[Fivelon]

I only see one set of values for items. Are the tiered items gone, and we're back down to a single version of each_

[IHateGlamour]

Phob1a, on February 04 2014 - 09:36 AM, said:

So you remove the tunning points and you remove the mech progression... All in the name of balance... Ok you're going to get a very balanced game but you're taking both the RPG elements of the game and a great deal of customization. Is it really worth it_ Come on guys, a mech game is supposed to be all about customization and simulation (where is the joystick compatibility__) not an ultrabalanced futuristic Counter Strike.

So true, I wrote on forums an article about hawken becoming like counter strike... All in the name of balance...
And I don't care if it's not like cs but more like TF2 or other game, the idea is that it's to much of an obvious boring shooter...

And that's to bad, cause this game has very good graphics, design and very good controls compared to mechwarrior online or any other mech game.

WOW did the same, oversimplified everything in game, for the sake of balance. Well, were are they now, going more intro decline... Balance is not everything to a game...

[xXHadronCutterXx]

Will reserve judgement for when I get to try out the official build, but I'm pretty skeptical about this change, will definitely take time to adjust.

[Mobstarr]

Fivelon, on February 04 2014 - 10:10 AM, said:

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I bet we go back to pre-ascension shield use again. Shields everywhere. I'm ok with that.

Nope. Shields will be changed too, so that you are unable to shoot from inside to the outside. That was the last statement I heared about it, I guess it was Hughes who said it.
So I would presume there won't be as many shields on the field as you think. (:

Edited by Mobstarr, February 04 2014 - 11:14 AM.

[WarlordZ]

Fivelon, on February 04 2014 - 10:13 AM, said:

I only see one set of values for items. Are the tiered items gone, and we're back down to a single version of each_

Pretty much.  We're switching to limited items per life, with more slots being spent to carry more of something.

[tek1]

LarryLaffer, on February 03 2014 - 09:27 PM, said:

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Heat generation on the "B3-AR: PPA" seems kinda wrong. 6 heat generation with a fire rate of 0.125. You will be overheated before being able to kill a lvl1 turret...

Don't forget that Saare launcher reduces your heat. I think it has some synergy with B3-AR

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ps: shields will be overpowered as fuzzy bunny once again if they get live with those stats... Geez - a shield has more live than any a-class.

But we will be unable to attach it to somebody and, which is more important, to shoot through it in both directions. So I would like to see how this shield will be used in new conditions

Where did you get all this information_ Did I miss any major Patch-Announcments_

[Rakker]

In a quick review of the data for the new Mechs I noted that any Mech with the EOC Repeater, no matter which secondary its paired with, has the lowest DPS coupled with armor under .4 (except for the Rocketeer) which doesn't bode well for those pilots. The Rocky at least has Armor at .83 which gives it some survivability but the Infiltrator , Raider and Predator seem to be at a big disadvantage. Does someone see where the other attributes will make up for the seemingly detrimental stats here_

[CounterlogicMan]

So far I haven't seen anyone's statistical analysis  take into account the big picture (game design) or take into account stat changes in other areas/mechs. Not to mention none of the claims/concerns have actual game play to back them up.

Let's just do something crazy....Let's wait until the patch actually drops, play it, then analyze the stats.

[Sylhiri]

CounterlogicMan, on February 04 2014 - 11:47 AM, said:

Let's just do something crazy....Let's wait until the patch actually drops, play it, then analyze the stats.

"Your just not used to it yet"

[DennisKnightPC]

Rakker, on February 04 2014 - 11:39 AM, said:

In a quick review of the data for the new Mechs I noted that any Mech with the EOC Repeater, no matter which secondary its paired with, has the lowest DPS coupled with armor under .4 (except for the Rocketeer) which doesn't bode well for those pilots. The Rocky at least has Armor at .83 which gives it some survivability but the Infiltrator , Raider and Predator seem to be at a big disadvantage. Does someone see where the other attributes will make up for the seemingly detrimental stats here_

But it has a potential burst damage of 144 (nearly the highest in the game) which it is capable of doing at any range, lays mines and does splash damage.  All-in-all still a very versatile and probably useful weapon.  To do the same damage with an AR you would have to hit with every bullet for a full 1.45 seconds and from within it's optimum range band.  EOC Repeater is for peek-a-boo engagements etc

[shosca]

CounterlogicMan, on February 04 2014 - 11:47 AM, said:

So far I haven't seen anyone's statistical analysis  take into account the big picture (game design) or take into account stat changes in other areas/mechs. Not to mention none of the claims/concerns have actual game play to back them up.

Let's just do something crazy....Let's wait until the patch actually drops, play it, then analyze the stats.

If common sense is common, why doesn't everybody have it_

[Zanozus]

The most game-breaking update ever

[SS396]

caduceus26, on February 04 2014 - 07:26 AM, said:

Join at 10:18 AM today and post farewell drop at 10:20 AM same day...

Fuzzy_Bunny, on February 04 2014 - 07:28 AM, said:

You make an account two minutes before commenting this.
Seems like you aren't really going to drop Hawken.  You're just hiding behind anonymity and bull.
Whatever, don't let the TOW hit you on the way out.

You really need to understand how things work before you go flaming someone.  Its been said 1000 times, looking at someones join date on their forum account just shows you THE FIRST TIME THEY LOGGED INTO THE FORUMS.  NOTHING ELSE.  There are players that have played the game since alpha and never logged into the forums, and when they do, they will have a brand new new join date a few minutes old.

DevoutTrout, on February 04 2014 - 07:38 AM, said:

I guess I got to lvl 13 and my scout and reaper in 2 minutes

lol,

Edited by SS396, February 04 2014 - 01:25 PM.

[Rakker]

DennisKnightPC, on February 04 2014 - 12:20 PM, said:

Rakker, on February 04 2014 - 11:39 AM, said:

In a quick review of the data for the new Mechs I noted that any Mech with the EOC Repeater, no matter which secondary its paired with, has the lowest DPS coupled with armor under .4 (except for the Rocketeer) which doesn't bode well for those pilots. The Rocky at least has Armor at .83 which gives it some survivability but the Infiltrator , Raider and Predator seem to be at a big disadvantage. Does someone see where the other attributes will make up for the seemingly detrimental stats here_

But it has a potential burst damage of 144 (nearly the highest in the game) which it is capable of doing at any range, lays mines and does splash damage.  All-in-all still a very versatile and probably useful weapon.  To do the same damage with an AR you would have to hit with every bullet for a full 1.45 seconds and from within it's optimum range band.  EOC Repeater is for peek-a-boo engagements etc

All good points. With the lack of armor, I would still expect to see only top skill pilots in the Infiltrator, Raider and Predator then, which is as it should be perhaps. In general, looking forward to the patch.

[pelanas]

I remember good things of the past. Once there was photos of the upcoming mechs before relesing them. Why now not_ Numbers, charts and pro gaming related anouncements are good... but some images make me more happy! And I like mechs and want to see some new mech now! pls

[caduceus26]

SS396, on February 04 2014 - 01:24 PM, said:

caduceus26, on February 04 2014 - 07:26 AM, said:

Join at 10:18 AM today and post farewell drop at 10:20 AM same day...

Fuzzy_Bunny, on February 04 2014 - 07:28 AM, said:

You make an account two minutes before commenting this.
Seems like you aren't really going to drop Hawken.  You're just hiding behind anonymity and bull.
Whatever, don't let the TOW hit you on the way out.

You really need to understand how things work before you go flaming someone.  Its been said 1000 times, looking at someones join date on their forum account just shows you THE FIRST TIME THEY LOGGED INTO THE FORUMS.  NOTHING ELSE.  There are players that have played the game since alpha and never logged into the forums, and when they do, they will have a brand new new join date a few minutes old.

DevoutTrout, on February 04 2014 - 07:38 AM, said:

I guess I got to lvl 13 and my scout and reaper in 2 minutes

lol,

..and speaking for myself, you need to learn the difference between "flaming" someone and making an observation...

[Zanozus]

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[font=play, helvetica, arial, sans-serif]I would still expect to see only top skill pilots in the Infiltrator, Raider and Predator then, which is as it should be perhaps.[/font]

Rakker, If skilled player will take Berz or other 'not nerfed' mech _ He will spoil the match.
Why Devs think that skilled players will play only on hard mechs _ And why skill- based weapons do the least damage _

[Hijinks_The_Turtle]

I just hope the values of heatsinks is changed for mechs who heat up a lot.  *cough* Predator, Raider *cough*

[SS396]

caduceus26, on February 04 2014 - 01:40 PM, said:

..and speaking for myself, you need to learn the difference between "flaming" someone and making an observation...

The flaming part was meant more towards the other poster, but you both made the mistake of assuming that just because the join date listed in the profile is new, that the player is new.  That is the heart of the issue at hand, and why I included your quote in my original post.