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[[HWK]HUGHES]

Onebullit, on February 13 2014 - 12:12 PM, said:

If not the same thing, can you pls explain me what you meant by saying "more smurf accounts posting"
Edit: whe even mention something like this_

Saying that there was more smurf account posting than I could believe is not the same thing as claiming that most posts on the topic were being made by smurf accounts. The purpose of mentioning it was that the patch had only been out for 3 days and it was surprising that people reacted so quickly and strongly that there were so many multiple accounts by the same person used to say the same thing, sometimes on the same thread, one right after another. As a result there was a lot of noise to cut through.

[irish_00]

Onebullit, on February 13 2014 - 12:12 PM, said:

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[HWK]HUGHES, on February 13 2014 - 12:05 PM, said:

Onebullit, on February 13 2014 - 11:58 AM, said:

[HWK]HUGHES, on February 13 2014 - 11:53 AM, said:

Onebullit, on February 13 2014 - 10:03 AM, said:

Since the developper claims that the majority of the negative posts and created threads about the latest patch
are created by smurf accounts, what makes you think that the positive posts or those polls where the patch comes out
as "approved by the community", is not forced upon us by fanboy smurfs in combination with their friendly Adhesive connections_

Do you know where the post is where someone said a majority of the negative posts and created threads about the latest patch are created by smurf accounts_ Can you let me point me to that link so I can take a look at the claim_ Thanks!

Not only someone,
You have said something similar and people on the forum too actually, protecting your
argument of course.  I want to quote you but finding topics can be a mess here on the forums.

I believe I said this which is not the same thing as what you're claiming.
"The update had been available for 3 days and I've seen more smurf account posting than I can believe on the topic. One thread yesterday had seven unique accounts posting from the same IP address complaining."
https://community.pl..._20#entry429956

At least from what I've seen so far this week, there hasn't been the same volume of such accounts as a week ago.

If not the same thing, can you pls explain me what you meant by saying "more smurf accounts posting"
Edit: why even mention something like this_

dude, be so kind to stop it, please.
that is turning in to a personal attack at the games producer for him stating the facts (which could have easily happened if somebody felt like its a good idea to create 7 accs).

the real issue is that statement of this fact has led some people to come to conclusions that like every 2nd post that is expressing discontent is smurf. like seriously, we need to stop that confrontational attacks over here. they lead into nowhere.

Edited by irish_00, February 13 2014 - 12:29 PM.

[Onebullit]

irish_00, on February 13 2014 - 12:24 PM, said:

Onebullit, on February 13 2014 - 12:12 PM, said:

Spoiler

[HWK]HUGHES, on February 13 2014 - 12:05 PM, said:

Onebullit, on February 13 2014 - 11:58 AM, said:

[HWK]HUGHES, on February 13 2014 - 11:53 AM, said:

Onebullit, on February 13 2014 - 10:03 AM, said:

Since the developper claims that the majority of the negative posts and created threads about the latest patch
are created by smurf accounts, what makes you think that the positive posts or those polls where the patch comes out
as "approved by the community", is not forced upon us by fanboy smurfs in combination with their friendly Adhesive connections_

Do you know where the post is where someone said a majority of the negative posts and created threads about the latest patch are created by smurf accounts_ Can you let me point me to that link so I can take a look at the claim_ Thanks!

Not only someone,
You have said something similar and people on the forum too actually, protecting your
argument of course.  I want to quote you but finding topics can be a mess here on the forums.

I believe I said this which is not the same thing as what you're claiming.
"The update had been available for 3 days and I've seen more smurf account posting than I can believe on the topic. One thread yesterday had seven unique accounts posting from the same IP address complaining."
https://community.pl..._20#entry429956

At least from what I've seen so far this week, there hasn't been the same volume of such accounts as a week ago.

If not the same thing, can you pls explain me what you meant by saying "more smurf accounts posting"
Edit: why even mention something like this_

dude, be so kind to stop it, please.
that is turning in to a personal attack at the games producer for him stating the facts (which could have easily happened if somebody felt like its a good idea to create 7 accs).

the real issue is that statement of this fact has led some people to come to conclusions that like every 2nd post that is expressing discontent is smurf. like seriously, we need to stop that confrontational attacks over here. they lead into nowhere.

Pls dude, what are you even talking about.
I'm not attacking [HWK]Hughes at all.

[[HWK]HUGHES]

irish_00, on February 13 2014 - 12:24 PM, said:

the real issue is that statement of this fact has led some people to come to conclusions that like every 2nd post that is expressing discontent is smurf,

A fair point of course and hopefully people aren't worrying that it's something being claimed which is why I wanted to clear it up. Everyone should always feel they have a voice, that they're being listened to and can engage in constructive discussions!

Smile everyone. LOL.

[SilverSharp]

Onebullit, on February 13 2014 - 12:33 PM, said:

irish_00, on February 13 2014 - 12:24 PM, said:

Onebullit, on February 13 2014 - 12:12 PM, said:

Spoiler

[HWK]HUGHES, on February 13 2014 - 12:05 PM, said:

Onebullit, on February 13 2014 - 11:58 AM, said:

[HWK]HUGHES, on February 13 2014 - 11:53 AM, said:

Onebullit, on February 13 2014 - 10:03 AM, said:

Since the developper claims that the majority of the negative posts and created threads about the latest patch
are created by smurf accounts, what makes you think that the positive posts or those polls where the patch comes out
as "approved by the community", is not forced upon us by fanboy smurfs in combination with their friendly Adhesive connections_

Do you know where the post is where someone said a majority of the negative posts and created threads about the latest patch are created by smurf accounts_ Can you let me point me to that link so I can take a look at the claim_ Thanks!

Not only someone,
You have said something similar and people on the forum too actually, protecting your
argument of course.  I want to quote you but finding topics can be a mess here on the forums.

I believe I said this which is not the same thing as what you're claiming.
"The update had been available for 3 days and I've seen more smurf account posting than I can believe on the topic. One thread yesterday had seven unique accounts posting from the same IP address complaining."
https://community.pl..._20#entry429956

At least from what I've seen so far this week, there hasn't been the same volume of such accounts as a week ago.

If not the same thing, can you pls explain me what you meant by saying "more smurf accounts posting"
Edit: why even mention something like this_

dude, be so kind to stop it, please.
that is turning in to a personal attack at the games producer for him stating the facts (which could have easily happened if somebody felt like its a good idea to create 7 accs).

the real issue is that statement of this fact has led some people to come to conclusions that like every 2nd post that is expressing discontent is smurf. like seriously, we need to stop that confrontational attacks over here. they lead into nowhere.

Pls dude, what are you even talking about.
I'm not attacking [HWK]Hughes at all.

SSSSHHHHHHHHH......they can hear you!

[Nept]

[HWK]HUGHES, on February 13 2014 - 12:34 PM, said:

irish_00, on February 13 2014 - 12:24 PM, said:

the real issue is that statement of this fact has led some people to come to conclusions that like every 2nd post that is expressing discontent is smurf,

A fair point of course and hopefully people aren't worrying that it's something being claimed which is why I wanted to clear it up. Everyone should always feel they have a voice, that they're being listened to and can engage is constructive discussions!

Smile everyone. LOL.

I'm not going to smile until I see that Patrick Dragon skin.

[Onebullit]

[HWK]HUGHES, on February 13 2014 - 12:34 PM, said:

irish_00, on February 13 2014 - 12:24 PM, said:

the real issue is that statement of this fact has led some people to come to conclusions that like every 2nd post that is expressing discontent is smurf,

A fair point of course and hopefully people aren't worrying that it's something being claimed which is why I wanted to clear it up. Everyone should always feel they have a voice, that they're being listened to and can engage is constructive discussions!

Smile everyone. LOL.

I'm so glad for this post !!
Laughing with the people that are not happy with the latest changes is something
you guys never do, i love you guys for that !

[irish_00]

[HWK]HUGHES, on February 13 2014 - 12:34 PM, said:

Spoiler

irish_00, on February 13 2014 - 12:24 PM, said:

the real issue is that statement of this fact has led some people to come to conclusions that like every 2nd post that is expressing discontent is smurf,

A fair point of course and hopefully people aren't worrying that it's something being claimed which is why I wanted to clear it up. Everyone should always feel they have a voice, that they're being listened to and can engage in constructive discussions!

Smile everyone. LOL.

btw!, Id like to use the opportunity of talking to you, mr. Hughes, while you are borwsing forums and drag you attention to this:

irish_00, on February 07 2014 - 02:32 PM, said:

Spoiler

Most constructive & by veterans:
https://community.pl...ys-paw-edition/ (FenixStryk)
https://community.pl...e-bad-the-ugly/ (AsianJoyKiller)
https://community.pl...the-devs-rev-1/ (Moridar) ((Poll included))
https://community.pl...-down-gameplay/ (h0B0)
https://community.pl...he-new-ttk-has/ (HugeGuts)
https://community.pl...613-old-hawken/ (LordofNosgoth)
The rest:
https://community.pl...m-disappointed/
https://community.pl...ts-on-the-patch
https://community.pl...e-current-state
https://community.pl...ut-ruined-imho/
https://community.pl...ken-unplayable/
https://community.pl...disappointment/
https://community.pl...vailable-today/
https://community.pl...86-pigs-do-fly/
https://community.pl...r-the-memories/
https://community.pl...patch-thoughts/
https://community.pl...is-fuzzy-bunny/
https://community.pl...es-steam-patch/
https://community.pl...k-ruins-hawken/
https://community.pl...vailable-today/
https://community.pl...r-the-memories/
https://community.pl...-the-new-patch/
https://community.pl...e-patch-thread/
https://community.pl...tions-included/
https://community.pl...-and-heres-why/ (deleted probably because smurf_ google cache)
https://community.pl...unique-anymore/
https://community.pl...risky-business/ (Z)
https://community.pl...apons-by-range/ (update for Z)
https://community.pl...-went-hardcore/
https://community.pl...e-to-kill-poll/
https://community.pl...l-of-mech-duty/
https://community.pl...ay-is-dumb-now/
https://community.pl...he-steam-patch/
https://community.pl...-some-feedback/
https://community.pl...fast-seriously/
https://community.pl...582-air-combat/
https://community.pl...new-patch-poll/
https://community.pl...2-double-kills/
https://community.pl...-us-eat-it-too/
https://community.pl...t-steam-update/ ( )
https://community.pl...he-steam-patch/
https://community.pl...the-new-hawken/
https://community.pl...nsour-the-mood/
https://community.pl...st-update-ever/
steam:
http://steamcommunit...47287992598753/
http://steamcommunit...47287923352802/
http://steamcommunit...47287616650656/
http://steamcommunit...47287514525630/
http://steamcommunit...47287354847148/
http://steamcommunit...47288062931426/
http://steamcommunit...47288027634539/
http://steamcommunit...47288167942013/
http://steamcommunit...47288217346128/
http://steamcommunit...47288255946386/
http://steamcommunit...47288278847865/
http://steamcommunit...47288252934568/
http://steamcommunit...47288186729974/
http://steamcommunit...47288015438220/

thats a list of posts with critics regarding the patch. its somehow organized so you can find the most constructive and respectable opinions from veterans at the top, as well as there are steam discussions posts.
link to the post itself. please, take a look.

Edited by irish_00, February 13 2014 - 01:30 PM.

[Zanozus]

The only problem of this game is HITSCAN (instant damage), not TTK, not Armor or Speed. If player has not ability to avoid shot or don't see the source, he feels despair and confusion. No matter how fast and how many armor mechs will have because every idiot can move the crosshair to the target. Moreover you, Devs, increased cockpit turn rate and made spread static. There are no any skill requirements that's why HITSCAN (especially burst) is strong in low-rated matches and weak in high-rated matches (as was). Or too strong in low-rated matches and simply strong in high-rated matches (as now). You will never balance it till you remove hitscan effect or introduce new feature (maybe RECOIL and chargeable sniper riffles _).
Besides, HITSCAN is vulnerable to cheats (aimbots and triggerbots).

And. Why is burst weapons heat generation not proportional to their damage per shot _ And DPS is two times lower than sustain DPS _

For example:
https://community.pl...in/#entry434196
https://community.pl...st-update-ever/

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[font=play, helvetica, arial, sans-serif]1.Seriously this is the worst update ever, now this game becomes dodging game,  you dodge and shoot, heavy mech can be killed in 15 sec and ppl can kill each other in 15 sec with any weapons, you might as well just give us death-ray which can kill any mechs in 1 shot. You think adding 5% armor on all mechs would fix this LOL, did you guys even test new build before going live_ they must be eating mushroom while testing [/font]

How long will you go around in circles and stepping on one and same rake_

sorry for possible mistakes in the text

Edited by Zanozus, February 13 2014 - 02:10 PM.

[craftydus]

[HWK]HUGHES, on February 13 2014 - 12:34 PM, said:

A fair point of course and hopefully people aren't worrying that it's something being claimed which is why I wanted to clear it up. Everyone should always feel they have a voice, that they're being listened to and can engage in constructive discussions!

Smile everyone. LOL.

way   too positive, 10 points deducted from [HWK] and given to slytherin

Edited by craftydus, February 13 2014 - 01:35 PM.

[DillingerT]

XV8_TecDragon, on February 07 2014 - 08:13 AM, said:

I am an adult and a paying contributor to the game, not a kid or a twitch gamer that loves how this game has now become like all the other fps's. I can hear them now

Bang, bang - Your Dead (giggle) bang bang - I'm dead (wtf) rinse and repeat.

The thing I loved about Hawken is that if you were decent you could survive whole matches, be 1st or 2nd and enjoy the strategic gameplay that is TDM, Siege, and Missle Assualt.

I am trying to get used to the patch but I forsee me failing.  I can still have decent games, but I get to stare at the spawn screen quite a bit too.

Yeah, I probably suck my MMR always floated 14-16, but I had my share of epic moments.  Made lots of friends, enjoyed the game and contributed financially.

I think you failed with this patch, I think you tried to cater to the unclaimed clientele on steam and left your base behind.

Also as the game progresses through BETA you seem to just be continuing to dumb down the game.

Just my two cents.  Flame away, I won't respond.

I share your view point exactly. I loved how I had to work to build my mechs to suit my playing style, it gave me great enjoyment... A kill was so much more rewarding.... The game was slower with more time to employ tactics. Now more than ever does it feel closer to a standard twitch shooter.... Really sad.... I had high hopes for a game that didn't follow the marketing teams influence as I fear is what has happened to Hawken...... I understand that the dev's have to budge at some point but turning it into another class based shooter *cough Tribes... cough TF2* was not the answer. Now your on steam and you've removed a lot of the games greatness, you now must compete against all the other free to play class based shooters and to be honest your not going to....

Edited by DillingerT, February 15 2014 - 12:29 PM.

[Centipede]

ITT: People selling opinions like they're facts.

Edited by Centipede, February 15 2014 - 12:37 PM.

[Aregon]

[HWK]HUGHES, on February 13 2014 - 12:34 PM, said:

irish_00, on February 13 2014 - 12:24 PM, said:

the real issue is that statement of this fact has led some people to come to conclusions that like every 2nd post that is expressing discontent is smurf,

A fair point of course and hopefully people aren't worrying that it's something being claimed which is why I wanted to clear it up. Everyone should always feel they have a voice, that they're being listened to and can engage in constructive discussions!

Smile everyone. LOL.

Why are you never angry_ I WANNA SEE YOU ANGRY!

[Gunmoku]

Zanozus, on February 13 2014 - 01:32 PM, said:

The only problem of this game is HITSCAN (instant damage), not TTK, not Armor or Speed.

Making every bullet unique would clog servers up badly.  It's a programming shortcut and helps cut down on traffic between client and server much easier to manage.  Unless server architecture for Hawken was much more sound, it could be possible, but the way things are hitscan is a necessary evil.  I could be wrong, but I think that's the case here.

[HatesYourFace]

Bullet drop wouldn't even be realistic at the ranges/scales Hawken matches take place in. Human sized rifles don't experience noticable drop till about 300M, Even shooting from one end of the biggest map to the other I don't think bullet drop would come into play especially if you conisder the calibur/size of the guns involved. Also, what Gun said; hitscan is just a lot easier and more efficient to do.

[Beefsweat]

HatesYourFace, on February 15 2014 - 01:21 PM, said:

Bullet drop wouldn't even be realistic at the ranges/scales Hawken matches take place in. Human sized rifles don't experience noticable drop till about 300M, Even shooting from one end of the biggest map to the other I don't think bullet drop would come into play especially if you conisder the calibur/size of the guns involved. Also, what Gun said; hitscan is just a lot easier and more efficient to do.

Human-size ballistics is a hugely moot point as there's a massive range of things that affect ballistics in real life and this forum really doesn't need more armchair logicians (not trying to imply that you are one, just in general). As you said if you consider the caliber and size of the weapons involved in addition to the ranges of average engagements as well as average map size, combined with UE3's limitations modeled ballistics just isn't practical or feasible for Hawken.

Edited by Beefsweat, February 15 2014 - 03:14 PM.