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[DaddysHome]

Hey,

new player here

Hawken is a cool change from the other FPS games I played.

Although it seems very grindy ....................

I got used to playing with the Recruit bot and got excited for the assault mech so I bought it with the starting MC. Meh, so far no complaints here

I worked my way up again until I was eligible for the D Vulcan machine gun, which on paper should be better (considering the hefty cost of 5.4K hawken credits... which take an age to farm)

Boy was I so dissapointed with this weapon ...

the build up required is too long, if you wanna do dps with it your like a sitting duck


TL;DR
Con: D-Vulcan cannon -> HUGE letdown for the price; considering the grindwall
Pro: can't say it's pay to win -> if you paid for this the letdown would be even worse xD

[Frisbee_Player]

First off, Hawken isn't pay to win, so a higher price means nothing... second I love ma vulcan on ma assault D:
And yes the grind can be annoying, but it only takes a couple days to get a new weapon...

EDIT: also the new weapons are all more or less balanced, so there are tradeoffs no matter what you get, and many of the weapons are meant to change the playstyle of the mechs you use, so they are often rather different, and require you to re-learn tactics to fit them.

Edited by Frisbee_Player, June 05 2014 - 01:40 PM.

[Skrill]

Your using it wrong

[Hijinks_The_Turtle]

Frisbee_Player, on June 05 2014 - 01:39 PM, said:

First off, Hawken isn't pay to win, so a higher price means nothing... second I love ma vulcan on ma assault D:
And yes the grind can be annoying, but it only takes a couple days to get a new weapon...

EDIT: also the new weapons are all more or less balanced, so there are tradeoffs no matter what you get, and many of the weapons are meant to change the playstyle of the mechs you use, so they are often rather different, and require you to re-learn tactics to fit them.

What this guy said.  Changing weapons is literally like getting a new mech.  It plays differently than the same mech with a different primary.

[Odra]

Unlockables are not upgrades, many of them just trade one aspect for another one; That is why they are all priced the same, you buy them if the original weapon doesn't suit your style.

Take the Incinerator's B3-4R weapons for example (in regards to accuracy):

BBY - Good for long range; Bad for short range
PPA - Bad for long range; Good for short range
M4MA - Decent at both ranges

They also have different spin-up times and traits.

The only way a weapon can perform better for you is if it suits your style, otherwise you have to adapt to the weapon.

Edited by Odra, June 05 2014 - 01:47 PM.

[ReEvolve]

DaddysHome, on June 05 2014 - 01:27 PM, said:

I worked my way up again until I was eligible for the D Vulcan machine gun, which on paper should be better (considering the hefty cost of 5.4K hawken credits... which take an age to farm)

Well, yeah, weapons and mechs that have to be unlocked aren't better by definition. They aren't upgrades. They just play differently. It's all about finding the weapons and mechs that suit your playstyle the best.

[Coboxite]

The only case I know of were a mech gets an "upgraded" weapon is the Incinerator, and that's only because of how busted the Papa Bear is in conjunction with the SARRE. The rest of them change the play styles of the mechs rather upgrade them, noticed how the CRT's default primary is the Assault's prestige_

[DaddysHome]

Wow active boards here ))

Well I wish I knew that before I bought that then lol...

vs noobs its great LOL

but against anyone knowing what he is doing i'm probably the noob with this gun...

[TwentyFirstPilot]

DaddysHome, on June 05 2014 - 02:05 PM, said:

Wow active boards here ))

Well I wish I knew that before I bought that then lol...

vs noobs its great LOL

but against anyone knowing what he is doing i'm probably the noob with this gun...

Fred/Assault has a decent amount of armor. Such means you can stay in the open for a decent amount of time. Use that to your advantage. Don't try to dodge every shell, just get close, open up with your Vulcan + TOW, and keep both on your enemy.

The Vulcan sucks at range, but it melts everything in CQC, so long as you can keep your crosshairs on your target.

[spo0n]

The vulcan does have a higher dps, but the difference in ttk isn't very much compared to the smg.  A better player can corner camp you and make up the damage with a tow easily.  You'll probably find smg to be a very strong weapon because it is so well rounded and easy to use compared to the vulcan, or almost any weapon.

Vulcan is better in some instances, but you need to play the assault a lot differently to take advantage of it.

[OmegaNull]

SMC and Assault Rifle have similar play styles, however, with SMC's lower heat gen it is better at sustained pressure. Also, SMC out of all the sustained  weapons, it is by far the best, and most well rounded. Most top tier players use it for this reason.

Vulcan is the same but best used with constant bead on the enemy. Therefor, not the best for corner play but is well for ambushing and open combat.

If you are using an vulcan like the SMC, then you are doing it wrong. They require 2 completely different play styles. However, vulcan has the best DPS and damage, but that is only at close range. SMC works well with medium and short range and is used to complement the TOW. TOW is your primary source of damage. Not a secondary.

If you use a Vulcan, you can rely on it more as a point of damage and it is too valuable to let it spin down. So smarter, more careful play is required.

Edited by OmegaNull, June 05 2014 - 05:32 PM.

[LONEDEADWOLF]

OmegaNull, on June 05 2014 - 03:54 PM, said:

SMC and Assault Rifle have similar play styles, however, with SMC's lower heat gen it is better at sustained pressure. Also, SMC out of all the sustained  weapons, it is by far the best, and most well rounded. Most top tier players use it for this reason.

Vulcan is the same but best used with constant bead on the enemy. Therefor, not the best for corner play but is well for ambushing and open combat.

If you are using an vulcan like the SMC, then you are doing it wrong. They require 2 completely different play styles. However, vulcan has the best DPS and damage, but that is only at close range. SMC works well with close and short range and is used to complement the TOW. TOW is your primary source of damage. Not a secondary.

If you use a Vulcan, you can rely on it more as a point of damage and it is too valuable to let it spin down. So smarter, more careful play is required.

Listen to these guys and KING-Null....lol seriously they know what there talking about..Dont worry there honey we all have to adjust for new weapons..I myself believe it or not dont like to learn the game so i dont get bored........Plus every weapon is about as balanced as it gets i think....could be wrong...but so far so good and WELCOME to Hawken...Best mech game  on the Planet Earth, Mars doesnt count...

[OmegaNull]

Thanks dear.

[LONEDEADWOLF]

Ur Welcome..   it is the truth...

Edited by LONEDEADWOLF, June 05 2014 - 05:43 PM.

[OmegaNull]

Also, I am no king. Please, call me Omega.

[Stingz]

Vulcan is an absolute terror if the opponent can't/doesn't bother finding cover,
CRT/Assault has less heat issues using Vulcan with Coolant backup.

Edited by Stingz, June 05 2014 - 06:38 PM.

[Ikuinen_Lynx]

Coboxite, on June 05 2014 - 01:58 PM, said:

The only case I know of were a mech gets an "upgraded" weapon is the Incinerator, and that's only because of how busted the Papa Bear is in conjunction with the SARRE. The rest of them change the play styles of the mechs rather upgrade them, noticed how the CRT's default primary is the Assault's prestige_

the papa is not "busted", its simply meant to be used in a very different manner from the others. its for burst close range. you cycle between it and the 2ndoption Sarre. It follows a very particular rhythm.

[EM1O]

Assault is da Bom with inyourface smack using vulcan. if you want the same performance and are willing to aim a bit better and get distance/mid range hits, smc is your rod--and they both are almost identical for general characteristics. as already sed, diff weps, diff play styles even tho it's the same mech!
also: "sitting duck"_ you deserve to die. Keep Moving!!! run (don't boost--as you will glow brightly on your enemy's radar) dodge, jump, bunny hop, chicken dance, do SOMETHING! sit and you're Dead.
yeh, the grind is sorta sucky. no disagreement there. been here for a year and a half and still grinding. must be something good about it, eh_
Rock On!
O.

Edited by EM1O, June 08 2014 - 02:42 PM.

[Z3roCool007]

You're Use of the Point-D Vulcan is bad and you should feel bad!

[Coboxite]

Ikuinen_Lynx, on June 08 2014 - 12:51 PM, said:

Coboxite, on June 05 2014 - 01:58 PM, said:

The only case I know of were a mech gets an "upgraded" weapon is the Incinerator, and that's only because of how busted the Papa Bear is in conjunction with the SARRE. The rest of them change the play styles of the mechs rather upgrade them, noticed how the CRT's default primary is the Assault's prestige_

the papa is not "busted", its simply meant to be used in a very different manner from the others. its for burst close range. you cycle between it and the 2ndoption Sarre. It follows a very particular rhythm.

By "busted", I meant it as "overly powerfully busted". There is no reason to take any of the other Inci weapons, Baby runs too cold and Mama does very little damage.