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[Sorroritas]

I would guess the smurf accounts aren't much of a problem because if all (and if not all then most) "My-mmr-is-higher-than-god's" players make smurf accounts they would have to not only play against total noobs ending with a 40 kills killstreak but also against other people's higher mmr smurf accounts. So it probably balances out somewhere.

[EliteShooter]

Silverfire, on October 29 2014 - 04:30 AM, said:

I sometimes get a score 6x of the next highest score.

Even in 1700 servers it's impossible.

[SS396]

Silverfire, on October 29 2014 - 04:30 AM, said:

Do both situations exist_ They certainly do, but you can't take this situation you describe of siege farming and then apply it to Dave, or everyone else for that matter. Case by case basis and don't call BS on other people because you are unaware and unbelieving of their situation. One person's experience will be different than the other's.

Come on now, seriously.  I was there, I witnessed it first hand, it was Dave that did it.  The only time I've ever seen ONE players kills approach 50 in a siege match is when we had siege matches that lasted over an hour and a half in closed beta.  For one player to get 49 kills ALONE not team kills mind you, if you can't deduce what they were doing from that stat alone, you can't see the forest for the trees.  Heres another tidbit of info, the entire time during the game in question, he was NEVER AT THE AA, always fighting people on the left side of the map, and preying on those players that wanted revenge to go try to hunt him down, exactly like he was toying with me in the previous round.  I'm sorry man, if you refuse to see it for what it was, I dunno how to explain it any clearer than that.  I can easily see what he was doing, anyone else care to put in their two cents on the situation I described_

Edited by SS396, October 29 2014 - 05:03 AM.

[IareDave]

SS396, on October 29 2014 - 05:00 AM, said:

Come on now, seriously.  I was there, I witnessed it first hand, it was Dave that did it.  The only time I've ever seen ONE players kills approach 50 in a siege match is when we had siege matches that lasted over an hour and a half in closed beta.  For one player to get 49 kills ALONE not team kills mind you, if you can't deduce what they were doing from that stat alone, you can't see the forest for the trees.  Heres another tidbit of info, the entire time during the game in question, he was NEVER AT THE AA, always fighting people on the left side of the map, and preying on those players that wanted revenge to go try to hunt him down, exactly like he was toying with me in the previous round.  I'm sorry man, if you refuse to see it for what it was, I dunno how to explain it any clearer than that.  I can easily see what he was doing, anyone else care to put in their two cents on the situation I described_

I seriously don't know if you're trying to praise me now or attempt to prove an otherwise mute point that you are trying to make. Judging by the way you have set up your argument I assume you believe that my kill count, and my lack of prescense on the AA, is evidence that I am somehow "boosting my stats", "farming for kdr" (no one gives a rats ass about kdr btw), and most likely you believe I was "preying" on the weak.

In reality, I was playing the game like I normally do. Kill or be killed, it's not complicated. Don't give me a lecture on how to play a specific mode just because my strategy is different than what you would consider 'ideal'.

[SS396]

IareDave, on October 29 2014 - 05:49 AM, said:

SS396, on October 29 2014 - 05:00 AM, said:

Come on now, seriously.  I was there, I witnessed it first hand, it was Dave that did it.  The only time I've ever seen ONE players kills approach 50 in a siege match is when we had siege matches that lasted over an hour and a half in closed beta.  For one player to get 49 kills ALONE not team kills mind you, if you can't deduce what they were doing from that stat alone, you can't see the forest for the trees.  Heres another tidbit of info, the entire time during the game in question, he was NEVER AT THE AA, always fighting people on the left side of the map, and preying on those players that wanted revenge to go try to hunt him down, exactly like he was toying with me in the previous round.  I'm sorry man, if you refuse to see it for what it was, I dunno how to explain it any clearer than that.  I can easily see what he was doing, anyone else care to put in their two cents on the situation I described_

I seriously don't know if you're trying to praise me now or attempt to prove an otherwise mute point that you are trying to make. Judging by the way you have set up your argument I assume you believe that my kill count, and my lack of prescense on the AA, is evidence that I am somehow "boosting my stats", "farming for kdr" (no one gives a rats ass about kdr btw), and most likely you believe I was "preying" on the weak.

In reality, I was playing the game like I normally do. Kill or be killed, it's not complicated. Don't give me a lecture on how to play a specific mode just because my strategy is different than what you would consider 'ideal'.

TIL in a siege match it's ok to fuzzy bunny at your team for not being able to hold the AA, when you are off of it and farming kills or as you liked to point out using your "special strategy".

Funny stuff man, I can hardly Swype I'm laughing so hard.

Btw, it's moot not mute.

Edited by SS396, October 29 2014 - 06:02 AM.

[IareDave]

SS396, on October 29 2014 - 06:01 AM, said:

TIL in a siege match it's ok to fuzzy bunny at your team for not being able to hold the AA, when you are off of it and farming kills or as you liked to point out using your "special strategy".

Funny stuff man, I can hardly Swype I'm laughing so hard.

So not only do you remember what I was doing during the match, but also the number of kills I got AND the amount of times I killed you. Since you remember the match with such clarity, tell me this, did my team win the match or not_ So did my strategy contribute to our performance or was it mindless pub stomping. Obviously since your so mindless about the motives of others you would assume the latter.

I'm glad you are getting a kick out of this. I guess it's my way of paying you back for the laughs you gave me as you raged your frustration in-game.

Edited by IareDave, October 29 2014 - 06:23 AM.

[Skitzo1d]

SS396, on October 28 2014 - 02:42 PM, said:

Again what I have does not show what you think it does, so you saying I have no real info is you just grasping at straws trying to provoke me, again.

me saying you have no real info is me saying you have nothing of real value or concern in regards to the actuall outcome of the game. You might have a few tid bits here and there, employee status, and theories concocted in your head about possible VC's/new people involved (which if you think you know this, I can be pretty sure your wrong).

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All of these improvements as you seem to think have one huge problem, there is absolutely no proof and only speculation that theres any "improvements" being done, its purely a placebo effect.

There is proof out there, Ive already told you of the proof and its right in front of you that says , yes they are working on stuff.  Whether they have a slew of updates as far as new mechs/maps/bug fixes all that stuff is up in the air and who knows.  But as far as technical work on the back end, its obvious.

[Skitzo1d]

SS396, on October 28 2014 - 08:22 PM, said:

And again blaming the system for forcing you to perform shady tactics is bull fuzzy bunny and is hardly an excuse for doing it.  It still doesn't make it acceptable.  Evolwar is ~2600+ and you don't see him farming up 49 kills in a siege match to boost his KDR, he politely waits for the match maker to dump him into a game and then instead of running around stomping everyone in the most OP mech and internal setup he can find, he'll lower his skills to the rooms level and enjoy the game for what it is, many times just playing random mechs with no loadouts.  Many of the people that inhabit the top ranks, do not do the same, they play to stomp the every living fuzzy bunny out of everyone no matter what, and yes, it is not fun to be on the receiving end of that.  And since you can't seem to understand that, it must mean that you've never experienced that before, but just think about how you would feel.

As far as community retention, maybe thats one of the reasons why this game can't keep players, cause of all the skilled veterans smurfing and pummeling them before they even get familiar with the game.  Nobody likes to lose.

I would just like to point out a few things.  You said Evolwar doesnt play the most op mechs when hes on_  Everytime Ive went up against him his either in a vanguard/grenadier with vulcan/ brawler.  All pretty op for seige type matches.

Farming kills _  He once chased me from S3 on frontline clear back to my base, and back up the tunnel to bakery to get a kill (I was trying to kite him cause I was low on health).  All the while his teamates were losing the AA cause I took him away from it for 45 seconds to a minute (I still think his team won in the final though).  Now I dont know if he generally "farms kills" as you put it, but I see him chase kills a lot to get kills.

Also If im not mistaken from what Ive been told Evolwar does have a smurf and that smurf is dropped in pre 2k games and pub stomps. Only other player Ive seen handle his smurf pretty well is Dave on his smurf, and I could do decent on my smurf vs him (when they got put on the same team it was a stomp lol).

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Thats funny, Evolwar has a higher MMR than that and he doesn't find it all that difficult to get into matches.  Shrug.  Nice try though.  It is still very possible.  Next.

He probably does find it difficult to get into matches at 2600 plus, I sit at around 2300 and sometime it can take a bit to find a match and generally its in a mode I dont care much for like tdm.  Hence why the above reason (I think he has a smurf)



The Main point to this SS396 is that people like Dave that are naturally just better and have that 2800 mmr arent going to find hardly any 2300 plus servers ever, and I mean ever.  Its a rarity and thats at that 500 plus or minus marker.  Often times dave comes into our scrim matches and is hoping we need a sub or something or well kindly let him stay or just hoping we are just playing and not scrimming cause hes looking for a decent match with 2300 plus people, he doesnt like being in noobish games but he likes playing the game, so he does what he can.


Btw no offense to Evolwar, hes a good player and I dont care if he does smurf.  If someone told me wrong and he doesnt smurf scratch the smurfing parts in the above comments but the OP mechs and chasing to get kills thing still stands, not that its bad what mechs he plays or he gets kills. Like I said hes a good player and he can do w/e he wants just like the rest of people.

[PoopSlinger]

My MMr is mediocre (Compared to Omni and Vanguard) and i still have to smurf to find morning games.  I often want to play a quick game before work, but there is rarely a 2000mmr server at 05:45 Central time.  So i play my smurf who's mmr i keep down below 2200.  At 2100-2200 I can find a game.  Shut it about evolwar and him finding games at 19:00 EST during peak hours.

[PoopSlinger]

And evolwar smurfs like a sumbich.  He rolls around stomping entire teams of new folks.  Some people smuft politely and lay off, he don't.

[SS396]

IareDave, on October 29 2014 - 06:09 AM, said:

SS396, on October 29 2014 - 06:01 AM, said:

TIL in a siege match it's ok to fuzzy bunny at your team for not being able to hold the AA, when you are off of it and farming kills or as you liked to point out using your "special strategy".

Funny stuff man, I can hardly Swype I'm laughing so hard.

So not only do you remember what I was doing during the match, but also the number of kills I got AND the amount of times I killed you. Since you remember the match with such clarity, tell me this, did my team win the match or not_ So did my strategy contribute to our performance or was it mindless pub stomping. Obviously since your so mindless about the motives of others you would assume the latter.

I'm glad you are getting a kick out of this. I guess it's my way of paying you back for the laughs you gave me as you raged your frustration in-game.

Yup, I remember much more than you, which is pretty sad, for you at least.  Siege mode; map was frontline; you were never at the AA; you were up on the bridge, mostly on their side of the map; filling up chat with things bitching about how your noob team couldn't hold the AA; all the meantime you were farming 49 kills.

Why yes I do remember both the number of times you and I killed each other in that match, I'm glad you asked such a trivial fact because it really matters in this situation.  It was the same amount and do you know why it was the same amount_  I'll tell you why it was the same amount, because obviously from your statement you can't recall, and are trying to make some moot point that you killed me multiple times.  We were on the same team, so it was a big fat zero.  BAZINGA!

That is also how I know about you filling up chat bitching about your NOOB team's performance at the AA, in fact I told you in that match in public chat that you should follow your own advice and actually go to the AA when you demand the rest of the team does.

And yes we did win, barely, mostly because we couldn't hold the AA, because there were only 5 of us willing to go inside the border.  I wonder who it was that was never there_  

So yeah, this is fun, I'm having a great time, like always.  Grin

Hey skitz, cool stories bro, you need a tissue_  Both Evol and I laughed our asses off when you ran into him and were hounding him in chat about who he was, it was a very funny moment.  I'm sure you will double facepalm when the flashbulb lights of and you figure the huge mystery out.  So sad about him running you down and killing you repeatedly, but that's the point of the game, is it not_

Notice in all of my ramblings I never said Evol does not smurf, so all of your argument is invalid and unworthy of even responding to, not to mention way off topic.  I did say that Evolwar is 2600+, which is as high as the limits posed by Nept and crew, and Evolwar is capable of queuing for matches and waiting patiently.  So yeah, if you ever see Evolwar in a match, it easily proves Nepts statement false about how one high mmr player and an entire clan are forced to smurf because it's impossible to get into a single game.

Who's next_

[IareDave]

SS396, on October 29 2014 - 11:06 AM, said:

Yup, I remember much more than you, which is pretty sad, for you at least.  Siege mode; map was frontline; you were never at the AA; you were up on the bridge, mostly on their side of the map; filling up chat with things bitching about how your noob team couldn't hold the AA; all the meantime you were farming 49 kills.

Why yes I do remember both the number of times you and I killed each other in that match, I'm glad you asked such a trivial fact because it really matters in this situation.  It was the same amount and do you know why it was the same amount_  I'll tell you why it was the same amount, because obviously from your statement you can't recall, and are trying to make some moot point that you killed me multiple times.  We were on the same team, so it was a big fat zero.  BAZINGA!

That is also how I know about you filling up chat bitching about your NOOB team's performance at the AA, in fact I told you in that match in public chat that you should follow your own advice and actually go to the AA when you demand the rest of the team does.

And yes we did win, barely, mostly because we couldn't hold the AA, because there were only 5 of us willing to go inside the border.  I wonder who it was that was never there_  

So yeah, this is fun, I'm having a great time, like always.  Grin

Hey skitz, cool stories bro, you need a tissue_  Both Evol and I laughed our asses off when you ran into him and were hounding him in chat about who he was, it was a very funny moment.  I'm sure you will double facepalm when the flashbulb lights of and you figure the huge mystery out.  So sad about him running you down and killing you repeatedly, but that's the point of the game, is it not_

Notice in all of my ramblings I never said Evol does not smurf, so all of your argument is invalid and unworthy of even responding to, not to mention way off topic.  I did say that Evolwar is 2600+, which is as high as the limits posed by Nept and crew, and Evolwar is capable of queuing for matches and waiting patiently.  So yeah, if you ever see Evolwar in a match, it easily proves Nepts statement false about how one high mmr player and an entire clan are forced to smurf because it's impossible to get into a single game.

Who's next_

Interesting. First you claimed in an earlier post that I quote un quote "pummeled you 9 to zero", and now, miraculously, I didn't kill you at all. Fantastic!

Your story is as fuzzy bunny as half the things you say, forget the part about me saying how well you recalled the match and please don't put words into my mouth about bitching etc. when you can barely maintain your lie of a story.

[Skitzo1d]

SS396, on October 29 2014 - 11:06 AM, said:

Hey skitz, cool stories bro, you need a tissue_  Both Evol and I laughed our asses off when you ran into him and were hounding him in chat about who he was, it was a very funny moment.  I'm sure you will double facepalm when the flashbulb lights of and you figure the huge mystery out.  So sad about him running you down and killing you repeatedly, but that's the point of the game, is it not_

Notice in all of my ramblings I never said Evol does not smurf, so all of your argument is invalid and unworthy of even responding to, not to mention way off topic.  I did say that Evolwar is 2600+, which is as high as the limits posed by Nept and crew, and Evolwar is capable of queuing for matches and waiting patiently.  So yeah, if you ever see Evolwar in a match, it easily proves Nepts statement false about how one high mmr player and an entire clan are forced to smurf because it's impossible to get into a single game.

I did notice you didnt say he didnt smurf.  But you tout him around like some saint all the while complaining and whining about how you hate people who smurf. Yet he smurfs.  Dont you find that odd_  Also I was mainly pointing out you making the statement about him sitting in ques politely waiting for a long time that way he doesnt go into low servers and stomp people (which is untrue).  So this makes my arguement very valid and actually invalidates all your  "I dont approve of smurfing" when you glorify one who does smurf.

I facepalmed_ Nope just kept playing, I did ask who he was when he was on his smurf, because I knew he was a good player and I respected that and was curious.  Killing me repeatedly part_ Ok sure w/e you want to say.  Only day I remember him killing me repeatedly is 1v1 going against him with A class mechs on the AA on origin and he was in his brawler,  but what happened when I switched to brawler_ 2-0 me, he whined about me using items the first duel, second duel I was out of orbs but he wasnt and he used them and I still barely managed to beat him.  Probably got lucky cause yes he is a better player than me I freely admit that, just as I gave him the respects in the above post about even if he is smurfing who cares he can enjoy it w/e he wants.

Point is you cant hold one player up on high as you do with Evolwar and yet cut another player such as dave down for doing the exact same thing.



I would like to add your story about dave complaining about his team is very unlikely, Ive played tons with him and dont think ive ever seen him complain on his team, Ive actually seen him actively try to help his team by instructing them to go into the AA together and stuff.

Edited by Skitzo1d, October 29 2014 - 11:28 AM.

[SS396]

IareDave, on October 29 2014 - 11:25 AM, said:

SS396, on October 29 2014 - 11:06 AM, said:

Yup, I remember much more than you, which is pretty sad, for you at least.  Siege mode; map was frontline; you were never at the AA; you were up on the bridge, mostly on their side of the map; filling up chat with things bitching about how your noob team couldn't hold the AA; all the meantime you were farming 49 kills.

Why yes I do remember both the number of times you and I killed each other in that match, I'm glad you asked such a trivial fact because it really matters in this situation.  It was the same amount and do you know why it was the same amount_  I'll tell you why it was the same amount, because obviously from your statement you can't recall, and are trying to make some moot point that you killed me multiple times.  We were on the same team, so it was a big fat zero.  BAZINGA!

That is also how I know about you filling up chat bitching about your NOOB team's performance at the AA, in fact I told you in that match in public chat that you should follow your own advice and actually go to the AA when you demand the rest of the team does.

And yes we did win, barely, mostly because we couldn't hold the AA, because there were only 5 of us willing to go inside the border.  I wonder who it was that was never there_  

So yeah, this is fun, I'm having a great time, like always.  Grin

Hey skitz, cool stories bro, you need a tissue_  Both Evol and I laughed our asses off when you ran into him and were hounding him in chat about who he was, it was a very funny moment.  I'm sure you will double facepalm when the flashbulb lights of and you figure the huge mystery out.  So sad about him running you down and killing you repeatedly, but that's the point of the game, is it not_

Notice in all of my ramblings I never said Evol does not smurf, so all of your argument is invalid and unworthy of even responding to, not to mention way off topic.  I did say that Evolwar is 2600+, which is as high as the limits posed by Nept and crew, and Evolwar is capable of queuing for matches and waiting patiently.  So yeah, if you ever see Evolwar in a match, it easily proves Nepts statement false about how one high mmr player and an entire clan are forced to smurf because it's impossible to get into a single game.

Who's next_

Interesting. First you claimed in an earlier post that I quote un quote "pummeled you 9 to zero", and now, miraculously, I didn't kill you at all. Fantastic!

Your story is as fuzzy bunny as half the things you say, forget the part about me saying how well you recalled the match and please don't put words into my mouth about bitching etc. when you can barely maintain your lie of a story.

Quit being such a simpleton, it was the same string of matches you referenced earlier.

You know the one where iNept said I was so filled with rage I couldn't remain in there against you, even though he wasn't even playing Hawken at the time.

Silly Dave, I expected much more from you, than to grasp at straws and bust out the liar card.

Tsk.

Toodles

[SS396]

By string of matches I mean it wasn't in the match you specifically pointed out where you killed me repeatedly, but it was the ones after that where I did in fact stay in the lobby.

Lol.

I'm done, I'm getting bored.

Edited by SS396, October 29 2014 - 11:47 AM.

[IareDave]

SS396, on October 29 2014 - 11:41 AM, said:

Tsk.

Toodles

Did you really just say 'toodles'_

Yup, we're definitely done here.

Edited by IareDave, October 29 2014 - 11:58 AM.

[SS396]

IareDave, on October 29 2014 - 11:57 AM, said:

Did you really just say 'toodles'_

Yup, we're definitely done here.

Yeah, cause I can't deal with someone that can't tell the difference between Origin and Frontline.  See ya.

[Nept]

SS396, on October 29 2014 - 03:14 AM, said:

Thats funny, Evolwar has a higher MMR than that and he doesn't find it all that difficult to get into matches.  Shrug.  Nice try though.  It is still very possible.  Next.

Already been shown wrong by multiple, lower-MMR posters.  You're simply lying to support your weakened position.

Nept, on October 29 2014 - 02:06 AM, said:

As for scrims, Omni plays infrequently and typically shows only for matches (or for the occasional scrim request from friendly teams). Even when we were highly active, scrims weren't exactly abundant. If you think that finding scrims with your statistical outlier cohorts is simple, then you've never been a statistical outlier. Not in the good sense, anyway.

SS396, on October 29 2014 - 03:14 AM, said:

Doesn't matter, one can easily gather friends from various clans through various means such as teamspeak or IRC.  But ok, nice try again.

Again, you're incorrect and simply lying.

Nept, on October 29 2014 - 02:06 AM, said:

As for joining on friends, well, friends list. Also, joining on friends doesn't evade MMR restrictions. As for the private servers, people don't use them as frequently as you apparently think. In fact, people typically use them only for practice, scrims, or matches (which is their purpose).

SS396, on October 29 2014 - 03:14 AM, said:

I didn't say a thing about joining on friends now did I.  Welp no need to bother with that one.

You failed to address relevant points.

SS396, on October 29 2014 - 03:14 AM, said:

It doesn't matter how often its used, it COULD still be used had he WANTED to use it to avoid his apparent problems with timely access.  All I had to prove you wrong was provide one INSTANCE he COULD USE.  lol

You're missing the point.

Nept, on October 29 2014 - 02:06 AM, said:

So you see, even though it is technically possible for Dave to find games, it's far from frequently feasible. Also note that your demands upon Dave re: public servers – that he stick with the matchmaker or join through parties ( the latter rendered more difficult without a functional friends list) – result in much the same end: Dave will find himself on servers with lower-ranking players.

SS396, on October 29 2014 - 03:14 AM, said:

Oh but you said it wasn't possible, now which is it_ feasible or impossible_  Wait a second, are you changing your position like I said you couldn't_  lol

Still missing the point.

Nept, on October 29 2014 - 02:06 AM, said:

The only difference between your demands and Dave's “smurfing,” then, is that the former requires that Dave sit twiddling his thumbs while matchmaking continuously denies him games. And that's a ridiculous sentiment coming from someone whose patience couldn't withstand even a single match against Dave.

SS396, on October 29 2014 - 03:14 AM, said:

What do you mean_  I was there in a few matches against him, he even remembered one certain occasion, specifically I remember a few more.  I've seen him in other matches using at least 2 accounts.  Again, you should really speak only to what you know about and quit assuming things, cause you are just grasping at straws.  Explain to me how someone "couldn't withstand even a single match against Dave" can be true, when I was pitted against him in a siege match, and the team I was on lost, and then I stuck around for the next few matches.  Get real dude, quit making fuzzy bunny up trying to discredit me, you weren't even fuzzy bunny there acting like you were.  lol.

To quote the great AJK, Can you try to strawman any harder_

I wrote that your patience couldn't withstand even a single match against Dave.  And it couldn't, as evidenced by your constant badmouthing.  That's neither a straw man, nor an attempt to "discredit" you: it's simply a behavioural account.

Nept, on October 29 2014 - 02:06 AM, said:

Now, I've humoured your attempt at playing semantics, but it's important that you realize that hedging a term (or failing to, in my case) is very different from equivocation (which is what you did). I'll explain that again here, since you seem intent on ignoring it:

SS396, on October 29 2014 - 03:14 AM, said:

Not humored enough, lol.

Yes, I did.

Nept, on October 28 2014 - 09:00 PM, said:

What I said: There's nothing unfair about having superior skills in a video game (and using them).  Mollycoddling community members by preventing them from playing against stronger opponents has nothing to do with "fairness"; it's simply a means of maximizing community retention . . . Now if you were attempting to argue that it wasn't "fun" for the weaker players, then you might find yourself with some footing.  Even then, though, you're casting an overly-wide net by painting all players with the same negative nancy, woe is me attitude that you've assumed as of late.

What you had said: So yeah, someone with the in game skills to get 2797.2271728515625 MMR has to play smurf accounts and blame the matchmaker for not letting them into matches where his skill out weights everyone in the rest of the match.  You think your piloting skills get lower if you start a new account_  Can't you see how completely fuzzy bunny unfair that is_

What you changed your position to:  "it is not fun to be on the receiving end of that.  And since you can't seem to understand that, it must mean that you've never experienced that before, but just think about how you would feel"


The moment you understand that little fact, we can move onto another discussion.

SS396, on October 29 2014 - 03:14 AM, said:

Welp, great, then we both agree that our discussions can't move forward from here, cause really all its doing is getting all your buddies involved.

So yeah, all of you gang up, too bad though Nept, I really enjoyed proving you wrong once you forced me to RECOGNIZE your statements.  I hope you found it worthy enough.

Since you're still missing the point, here it is again:

Nept, on October 28 2014 - 09:00 PM, said:

What I said: There's nothing unfair about having superior skills in a video game (and using them).  Mollycoddling community members by preventing them from playing against stronger opponents has nothing to do with "fairness"; it's simply a means of maximizing community retention . . . Now if you were attempting to argue that it wasn't "fun" for the weaker players, then you might find yourself with some footing.  Even then, though, you're casting an overly-wide net by painting all players with the same negative nancy, woe is me attitude that you've assumed as of late.

What you had said: So yeah, someone with the in game skills to get 2797.2271728515625 MMR has to play smurf accounts and blame the matchmaker for not letting them into matches where his skill out weights everyone in the rest of the match.  You think your piloting skills get lower if you start a new account_  Can't you see how completely fuzzy bunny unfair that is_

What you changed your position to:  "it is not fun to be on the receiving end of that.  And since you can't seem to understand that, it must mean that you've never experienced that before, but just think about how you would feel"

[Ashfire908]

SS396, on October 29 2014 - 12:01 PM, said:

See ya.

Sweet now I can start posting to this thread again!

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Sorry iNept, you can repeat yourself over and over and grasp at straws by calling me a liar, but I've proven you wrong on multiple accounts., but you said it yourself, you can't move forward with our discussion.  Lol.  Nice try though.