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#41 BurnsHot

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Posted September 14 2014 - 12:30 PM

View PostSoldierHobbes11, on September 14 2014 - 12:23 PM, said:

View PostBurnsHot, on September 14 2014 - 12:16 PM, said:

Necro.........  Plus the OP never returned to give any feedback.  So what was the point of this entire Thread anyway_
Oh... CURSE MY HELPFUL NATURE!!!!!!

Oh...not directed at you.  More the OP who hasn't returned to his own thread.

#42 TwentyFirstPilot

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Posted September 14 2014 - 01:50 PM

View PostBurnsHot, on September 14 2014 - 12:30 PM, said:

View PostSoldierHobbes11, on September 14 2014 - 12:23 PM, said:

View PostBurnsHot, on September 14 2014 - 12:16 PM, said:

Necro.........  Plus the OP never returned to give any feedback.  So what was the point of this entire Thread anyway_
Oh... CURSE MY HELPFUL NATURE!!!!!!

Oh...not directed at you.  More the OP who hasn't returned to his own thread.

I think OP got the input she was looking for.

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View PostAmidatelion, on May 24 2014 - 01:36 AM, said:

Yeah, but dude, we are at 1750. As much as we would like to be Professional Yolodrivers like you [Meraple] and Lightangel112, we're not there yet. It's something to aspire to, sure, but there's a lot of ground to cover.

View PostEliteShooter, on September 20 2014 - 08:51 PM, said:

I eat cats too. Does that interest you_

#43 BurnsHot

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Posted September 14 2014 - 06:46 PM

View PostTwentyFirstPilot, on September 14 2014 - 01:50 PM, said:

View PostBurnsHot, on September 14 2014 - 12:30 PM, said:

View PostSoldierHobbes11, on September 14 2014 - 12:23 PM, said:

View PostBurnsHot, on September 14 2014 - 12:16 PM, said:

Necro.........  Plus the OP never returned to give any feedback.  So what was the point of this entire Thread anyway_
Oh... CURSE MY HELPFUL NATURE!!!!!!

Oh...not directed at you.  More the OP who hasn't returned to his own thread.

I think OP got the input she was looking for.

Yes but it would have been nice to come back and tell everyone.  Don't you think_

#44 TwentyFirstPilot

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Posted September 14 2014 - 06:47 PM

View PostBurnsHot, on September 14 2014 - 06:46 PM, said:

View PostTwentyFirstPilot, on September 14 2014 - 01:50 PM, said:

View PostBurnsHot, on September 14 2014 - 12:30 PM, said:

View PostSoldierHobbes11, on September 14 2014 - 12:23 PM, said:

View PostBurnsHot, on September 14 2014 - 12:16 PM, said:

Necro.........  Plus the OP never returned to give any feedback.  So what was the point of this entire Thread anyway_
Oh... CURSE MY HELPFUL NATURE!!!!!!

Oh...not directed at you.  More the OP who hasn't returned to his own thread.

I think OP got the input she was looking for.

Yes but it would have been nice to come back and tell everyone.  Don't you think_

I think she did. Even if she didn't, I would have nothing wrong with that.

Aspiring Professional Yolodriver


View PostAmidatelion, on May 24 2014 - 01:36 AM, said:

Yeah, but dude, we are at 1750. As much as we would like to be Professional Yolodrivers like you [Meraple] and Lightangel112, we're not there yet. It's something to aspire to, sure, but there's a lot of ground to cover.

View PostEliteShooter, on September 20 2014 - 08:51 PM, said:

I eat cats too. Does that interest you_

#45 BurnsHot

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Posted September 14 2014 - 06:49 PM

View PostTwentyFirstPilot, on September 14 2014 - 06:47 PM, said:

View PostBurnsHot, on September 14 2014 - 06:46 PM, said:

View PostTwentyFirstPilot, on September 14 2014 - 01:50 PM, said:

View PostBurnsHot, on September 14 2014 - 12:30 PM, said:

View PostSoldierHobbes11, on September 14 2014 - 12:23 PM, said:

View PostBurnsHot, on September 14 2014 - 12:16 PM, said:

Necro.........  Plus the OP never returned to give any feedback.  So what was the point of this entire Thread anyway_
Oh... CURSE MY HELPFUL NATURE!!!!!!

Oh...not directed at you.  More the OP who hasn't returned to his own thread.

I think OP got the input she was looking for.

Yes but it would have been nice to come back and tell everyone.  Don't you think_

I think she did. Even if she didn't, I would have nothing wrong with that.

If i asked for an update on HER progress do you think she would even read it and come back and share it with everyone_

#46 TwentyFirstPilot

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Posted September 14 2014 - 06:53 PM

View PostBurnsHot, on September 14 2014 - 06:49 PM, said:

View PostTwentyFirstPilot, on September 14 2014 - 06:47 PM, said:

View PostBurnsHot, on September 14 2014 - 06:46 PM, said:

View PostTwentyFirstPilot, on September 14 2014 - 01:50 PM, said:

View PostBurnsHot, on September 14 2014 - 12:30 PM, said:

View PostSoldierHobbes11, on September 14 2014 - 12:23 PM, said:

View PostBurnsHot, on September 14 2014 - 12:16 PM, said:

Necro.........  Plus the OP never returned to give any feedback.  So what was the point of this entire Thread anyway_
Oh... CURSE MY HELPFUL NATURE!!!!!!

Oh...not directed at you.  More the OP who hasn't returned to his own thread.

I think OP got the input she was looking for.

Yes but it would have been nice to come back and tell everyone.  Don't you think_

I think she did. Even if she didn't, I would have nothing wrong with that.

If i asked for an update on HER progress do you think she would even read it and come back and share it with everyone_

I don't know, I'm not OP. What are you getting at_

It's also worth noting that she hasn't been online since 10 AM, before you posted.

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View PostAmidatelion, on May 24 2014 - 01:36 AM, said:

Yeah, but dude, we are at 1750. As much as we would like to be Professional Yolodrivers like you [Meraple] and Lightangel112, we're not there yet. It's something to aspire to, sure, but there's a lot of ground to cover.

View PostEliteShooter, on September 20 2014 - 08:51 PM, said:

I eat cats too. Does that interest you_

#47 BurnsHot

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Posted September 14 2014 - 07:26 PM

View PostTwentyFirstPilot, on September 14 2014 - 06:53 PM, said:

View PostBurnsHot, on September 14 2014 - 06:49 PM, said:

View PostTwentyFirstPilot, on September 14 2014 - 06:47 PM, said:

View PostBurnsHot, on September 14 2014 - 06:46 PM, said:

View PostTwentyFirstPilot, on September 14 2014 - 01:50 PM, said:

View PostBurnsHot, on September 14 2014 - 12:30 PM, said:

View PostSoldierHobbes11, on September 14 2014 - 12:23 PM, said:

View PostBurnsHot, on September 14 2014 - 12:16 PM, said:

Necro.........  Plus the OP never returned to give any feedback.  So what was the point of this entire Thread anyway_
Oh... CURSE MY HELPFUL NATURE!!!!!!

Oh...not directed at you.  More the OP who hasn't returned to his own thread.

I think OP got the input she was looking for.

Yes but it would have been nice to come back and tell everyone.  Don't you think_

I think she did. Even if she didn't, I would have nothing wrong with that.

If i asked for an update on HER progress do you think she would even read it and come back and share it with everyone_

I don't know, I'm not OP. What are you getting at_

It's also worth noting that she hasn't been online since 10 AM, before you posted.

Sorry, but you are mistake and we can leave it at that because this is all pointless dribble between the two of us.

Edited by BurnsHot, September 14 2014 - 07:26 PM.


#48 TwentyFirstPilot

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Posted September 14 2014 - 07:31 PM

View PostBurnsHot, on September 14 2014 - 07:26 PM, said:

Sorry, but you are mistake and we can leave it at that because this is all pointless dribble between the two of us.

I am mistake!

You heard it here first, folks!

I do agree that this conversation(_) is pushing this thread off topic, so I'll stop now. Have a good night!

Aspiring Professional Yolodriver


View PostAmidatelion, on May 24 2014 - 01:36 AM, said:

Yeah, but dude, we are at 1750. As much as we would like to be Professional Yolodrivers like you [Meraple] and Lightangel112, we're not there yet. It's something to aspire to, sure, but there's a lot of ground to cover.

View PostEliteShooter, on September 20 2014 - 08:51 PM, said:

I eat cats too. Does that interest you_

#49 OliverTwisted

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Posted September 17 2014 - 08:42 PM

he left his residue on you... Gross

#50 ScarletThirteen

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Posted October 10 2014 - 12:44 PM

People wanted to know my growth, okay.

I'll provide some context first before throwing down the data.
My acquaintances circle is fairly small and close, and we have a regular group gathering for gaming every week (or every other week). We hail from different backgrounds in gaming and life, but we all share one common desire. Blowing up mechs, of course.

As a point of reference, I'll also throw down the MMRs of my friends circle before Ascension, and today. To protect their identities both in real-life and in-game, their names have been changed.

What games were we raised on_
Arcueid: Ar tonelico, Persona, Final Fantasy
Hisui & Kohaku: Marathon, Doom, Street Fighter, Final Fantasy
Me: Ridge Racer, Gran Turismo, various NASCAR simulations, Wipeout

Our MMRs before Ascension (nearest 50):
Arcueid: 1450
Hisui: 1700
Kohaku: 1750
Me: 1650

Hours played:
Arcueid: 180+
Hisui & Kohaku: 140+
Me: 190+

Mechs used:
Arcueid: Sharpie, 'zerker, Tech, Reaper
Hisui: Infie, Tech, Assault, Reaper
Kohaku: 'zerker, Assault
Me: Infie, 'zerker, Assault, Vanguard, Tech, Raider, Reaper, Brawler


Today's MMR (nearest 10):
Arcueid: 1860; 28% gain or +410 MMR, 1.5% MMR gain/hour
Hisui: 2130; 25% gain or +430 MMR, 1.8% MMR gain/hour
Kohaku: 2150+; 23% gain or +400 MMR, 1.6% MMR gain/hour
Me: 1920; 16% gain or +270 MMR, 0.8% MMR gain/hour

Effective average MMR gains per mech:
Arcueid: 102.5 MMR/mech
Hisui: 107.5 MMR/mech
Kohaku: 200 MMR/mech (!)
Me: 33.75 MMR/mech (!)

So as you can see, with my slow-as-molasses racing game hands, paired with a desire to master every mech, I have the smallest MMR gain, as well as the lowest effective gain.

What can we can learn from this_

Despite carrying so many functions across the board, every mech and it's stats and weapon combinations mean that there's a lot of stuff that must be re-learned or unlearned to gain MMR at a fast rate.

For me to match Kohaku's MMR on a per-mech basis, I would need SIX times as many hours on all eight of the mechs I've piloted, which would mean to stand on an even footing given the data, I would need approximately 1125 hours to match her MMR gain/Mech ratio with all eight of my mechs.

To make matters worse, approximately 50 to 70% of my piloting time has been spent being in an in-game party with Arc, Hisui, or Koha. This means that my MMR is essentially getting inflated further by beating opponents who I otherwise should have 0% chance against. If we assume that getting carried by better friends is effectively around 10% of our MMR inflation, my real MMR would be 1728! This is supported by various one-on-one duels we conducted on otherwise empty DM servers, where I went negative against Hisui and Kohaku, and only just barely edged out Arcueid.

So effectively, our MMRs would be:
Arcueid: no change
Hisui: 2343 (+10%)
Kohaku: 2365 (+10%)
Me: 1728 (-10%)

Effectively, my real MMR gain per mech is 9.75 MMR!

2150 is good enough to land you a spot on a upper-tier TPG team as long as you're willing to work in a team. You don't see 1730 MMR players winning matches in those competitive games.

So yeah. This data suggests that I haven't grown much at all. I am playing about just as badly as I used to, but I am also now being pitted against players entire tiers above me. Result_ Last place on the scoreboard by a significant margin, every single time.
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Posted October 10 2014 - 05:22 PM

Wow, that's a very detailed post.

But I think you are breaking down those stats a little too obsessively.  

Mmr can gained and lost very quickly when it doesn't match your level of play; so to break it down per mech is meaningless.  Even though playing across so many different axes may have hampered your "progress" so to speak.

Personally, I think that the breadth of experience I had leveling all the axes helped increase my situational awareness and my ability to play to the weaknesses of my opponents.  

Though I do spend way more time in certain chassis/weapon combos and knowing your cooldowns like your mom knows your birthday definitely leads to greater mastery.





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