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[Beefsweat]

Think about this: do we really need or want Steam trying to hamfist their woefully retarded and undesirable inventory system with in-game items and trading cards into Hawken right now_

[Spliff_Craven]

Beefsweat, on December 17 2013 - 10:36 AM, said:

Think about this: do we really need or want Steam trying to hamfist their woefully retarded and undesirable inventory system with in-game items and trading cards into Hawken right now_

Maybe they can help team Hawken actually balance the game and get servers that actually have better ping.

Steam has a huge team of developers. They are passionate about gaming. I call them the Google of Games.

They help develop games. they make money and are expanding all the time into new markets and tech.
Steam is the future and I intend to be part of it.

[KejiGoto]

Beefsweat, on December 17 2013 - 10:36 AM, said:

Think about this: do we really need or want Steam trying to hamfist their woefully retarded and undesirable inventory system with in-game items and trading cards into Hawken right now_

Not every game that releases on Steam needs to have this and it would be very easy for the team to just say 'No thanks" to that stuff until a time when they can properly introduce everything.

With that said I wouldn't mind earning some Hawken badges on Steam and seeing a community be built through Steam as well. Of course this is when the game is in a more presentable state for mass audiences.

[Vdragon]

Well, the poll talked, now let's wait for the Hawken 1.0 release

[Spliff_Craven]

Steam will only save Hawken if the teambalance is remedied and people want to stay.

[JoRdaniCuS23]

I think more people would play it if it was on steam because some people haven't even heard of hawken and because steam is so famous and because it has so many users game would become more popular! And it would be easier for players

[DFTR]

I worry if the game did have a huge influx of players there would be more problems w/ servers/lags not to mention disruptive behavior and/or cheaters.  

The US servers are often close to full to where I only have a few games I can join so I don't want more U.S. players at this time.

However, I wonder if it could be released on Steam in the UK or Australia/Asia to build up those regions_  

Still concern though if new players join and see laggy game and have server issues they will write off the game and never return.

[X_Mangoose_X]

steam will turn the game into a pay-to-win

[Spliff_Craven]

DFTR, on December 30 2013 - 05:38 PM, said:

I worry if the game did have a huge influx of players there would be more problems w/ servers/lags not to mention disruptive behavior and/or cheaters.  

The US servers are often close to full to where I only have a few games I can join so I don't want more U.S. players at this time.

However, I wonder if it could be released on Steam in the UK or Australia/Asia to build up those regions_  

Still concern though if new players join and see laggy game and have server issues they will write off the game and never return.

I say Steam would provide better server hosting{assuming they do that} and better infrastructure.
They have a team that could help put Hawken back on the right track.

[EliteShooter]

STEAM = MORE PLAYERS ! END.

[Bazookagofer]

It would bring in a lot of players that would play this game and would leave just as fast as they came and then HAWKEN gets a bad rep(like allods did) and then no matter what new players won't come. Let the game heal first(lots of bad decisions which could of been avoided IF THEY LISTENED TO THE PLAYERBASE). BTW did anyone see a AJK post lately... i kind of miss him/her...

Edited by Bazookagofer, December 31 2013 - 10:12 AM.

[Vdragon]

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steam will turn the game into a pay-to-win

*hat simulator

[Spliff_Craven]

A ray of hope!

https://community.pl...t-coming-patch/

I certainly hope they talk about a potential Steam release. They need an influx of players. BAD!

[Pathogen]

The only way that I'd accept Steam integration is if we have the option to keep a standalone Hawken-only launcher.

To be quite frank, I've found these multiple-game-launcher and global friend "services" to be lackluster, and riddled with bloatware. If I want to play with friends, I have my own ways of doing so without the need to have my hand held by some third party. I can see why many want Steam, but I sure as hell don't agree with it. As long as I don't have to deal with the Steam fuzzy bunny, I don't really mind.

I've seen some things go terribly wrong with this beloved Steam as well, so don't forget about those issues. Look at Eve Online for example: It kept the stand alone launcher, but offers Steam. Steam is consistently garbage, but people deal with it. It's a damn small number that deal with it too, and many asked to find a way out of having to be stuck with it. Food for thought.

[EliteShooter]

Pathogen, on January 06 2014 - 12:04 AM, said:

The only way that I'd accept Steam integration is if we have the option to keep a standalone Hawken-only launcher.

To be quite frank, I've found these multiple-game-launcher and global friend "services" to be lackluster, and riddled with bloatware. If I want to play with friends, I have my own ways of doing so without the need to have my hand held by some third party. I can see why many want Steam, but I sure as hell don't agree with it. As long as I don't have to deal with the Steam fuzzy bunny, I don't really mind.

I've seen some things go terribly wrong with this beloved Steam as well, so don't forget about those issues. Look at Eve Online for example: It kept the stand alone launcher, but offers Steam. Steam is consistently garbage, but people deal with it. It's a damn small number that deal with it too, and many asked to find a way out of having to be stuck with it. Food for thought.

YES.

[XenoPhalcon]

Iv been on steam for over eight years across multiple PCs and a couple of laptops (between my wife and me) and always enjoyed it for the most part (though more recently iv taken to disabling auto updates for games) so im perfectly fine using it for hawken later down the road. While in the minority there are people that outright refuse to use it or hate it for some reason or other (/tinfoilhat) so having a steam and non-steam launcher offers something for everyone.

7 Days to Die actually went full steam rather than doing a standalone + steam, the result is a handful of frothing neckbeards constaintly whining on the forums over there. So please think of the neckbeards and make two version of the hawken launcher.

[Pathogen]

XenoPhalcon, on January 06 2014 - 01:21 PM, said:

Iv been on steam for over eight years across multiple PCs and a couple of laptops (between my wife and me) and always enjoyed it for the most part (though more recently iv taken to disabling auto updates for games) so im perfectly fine using it for hawken later down the road. While in the minority there are people that outright refuse to use it or hate it for some reason or other (/tinfoilhat) so having a steam and non-steam launcher offers something for everyone.

7 Days to Die actually went full steam rather than doing a standalone + steam, the result is a handful of frothing neckbeards constaintly whining on the forums over there. So please think of the neckbeards and make two version of the hawken launcher.

Congratulations on liking it then, and good for you. On to your broad generalization of those in the minority as "neckbeards": can you please explain to me how that makes them any less important than another player_ If your argument is that they'd have to make two versions of a launcher, then you're admitting they'd need to make a separate one for Steam. For those arguing that Steam will give more publicity to the game, I'd agree to that too, but there would still need to be a decent marketing campaign on top of that.

Like I stated before, having two versions would be optimal for the playerbase. As good as Valve is, they do have their fair share of missteps. The Terms of Service fiasco with Steam comes to mind, as well as the various launcher/repair issues. As far as a service to provide games for paying customers quickly, Steam works well. Hawken is not a purchase game though, so we don't have the risk of piracy to deal with, we already have to be online to play, so we don't need the always online "feature" from Steam either.

Going with a Steam-only launcher introduces two points of failure as well. Lets say that the Hawken servers go down, obviously we're SOL no matter what. With Steam, if its service is disrupted you lose connectivity as well, it'd be nice to have access to a regular launcher then wouldn't it_

Again, I'm not saying "don't go with Steam at all," I'm saying be wary and provide the two versions, if it would be decided to add the availability to a third party.

Also, just because this is a poll that doesn't make the ad populum fallacy any less of one. Not everything should be decided by majority, just like the vocal minority doesn't represent the whole of a group. Food for thought.

[Superkamikazee]

EliteShooter, on December 31 2013 - 07:12 AM, said:

STEAM = MORE PLAYERS ! END.

This x100000000000!

[XenoPhalcon]

Pathogen, on January 07 2014 - 07:36 AM, said:

Congratulations on liking it then, and good for you. On to your broad generalization of those in the minority as "neckbeards": can you please explain to me how that makes them any less important than another player_ If your argument is that they'd have to make two versions of a launcher, then you're admitting they'd need to make a separate one for Steam. For those arguing that Steam will give more publicity to the game, I'd agree to that too, but there would still need to be a decent marketing campaign on top of that.

My post was intentionally condescending towards the few crazy anti-steamers in 7DTD I wasn't aware we actively had hawken version neckbeards over here and if your beard does not rest on your chin then I am sorry I offended you, you are no less important than any other player....even if you may look damn silly.

(Spoiler shows one such extreme anti-steamer from over there who has had his thread  locked)

Spoiler

STEAM takes away our Freedom Of Choice!

"As a PC player and builder of my own PC I use this device the PC as it gave me a Freedom Of Choice.
STEAM has sort to take away this Freedom Of Choice by slowly locking in game companies into its system, these very games we PC players all love to play, this forces us to use STEAM! (monopoly.) We simply have no choice. Most game companies are now falling into STEAM as a landslide, they do so by choice, unknowingly destroy the very structure of what a PC is! The PC player can't make this choice anymore your locked. That is not why I use and built my PC."

As for the actual meat and potatoes of my post I wasn't attempting to argue anything, I was stating hard facts concerming my own experience with steam and my standing on the topic while at the same time expressing my opinion (That two launchers was best to allow for diversity) so nothing earth shaking.

[Pathogen]

XenoPhalcon, on January 08 2014 - 07:06 AM, said:

Pathogen, on January 07 2014 - 07:36 AM, said:

Congratulations on liking it then, and good for you. On to your broad generalization of those in the minority as "neckbeards": can you please explain to me how that makes them any less important than another player_ If your argument is that they'd have to make two versions of a launcher, then you're admitting they'd need to make a separate one for Steam. For those arguing that Steam will give more publicity to the game, I'd agree to that too, but there would still need to be a decent marketing campaign on top of that.

My post was intentionally condescending towards the few crazy anti-steamers in 7DTD I wasn't aware we actively had hawken version neckbeards over here and if your beard does not rest on your chin then I am sorry I offended you, you are no less important than any other player....even if you may look damn silly.

(Spoiler shows one such extreme anti-steamer from over there who has had his thread  locked)

Spoiler

STEAM takes away our Freedom Of Choice!

"As a PC player and builder of my own PC I use this device the PC as it gave me a Freedom Of Choice.
STEAM has sort to take away this Freedom Of Choice by slowly locking in game companies into its system, these very games we PC players all love to play, this forces us to use STEAM! (monopoly.) We simply have no choice. Most game companies are now falling into STEAM as a landslide, they do so by choice, unknowingly destroy the very structure of what a PC is! The PC player can't make this choice anymore your locked. That is not why I use and built my PC."

As for the actual meat and potatoes of my post I wasn't attempting to argue anything, I was stating hard facts concerming my own experience with steam and my standing on the topic while at the same time expressing my opinion (That two launchers was best to allow for diversity) so nothing earth shaking.

Fair enough, and my mistake for misunderstanding your point. I can't comment on that post from their forums because it hurts too much to read it more than once. Seems we agree on two launchers at least, which would satisfy (most of) the userbase here.