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[o1me]

server Star rating system is broken completely. 1 star: what? 300mmr higher than me, or am I enter a noob room? 2 star: is everyone gonna stalk me, or should I camp and rip 'em up? 3 star: every one from 1300 to 1900, and everyone buttraping the all the lower guys, and I'm Sandwich Boy? or Can't We All Be Friends?

 

give me a break.

 

mmr isn't great or the fix all miracle method, but it gives you an idea where you stand, and with herokuapp is at least usable to a certain degree.

[xxshug]

you guys take MMR really seriously... 

 

It functions nearly identically to Elo in chess, and also Quake Live's system of Elo.  I find it -- more or less -- to be pretty indicitave of a player's skill level.  Of course, this varies;  you can be in a funk, and lose matches you'd normally stomp, and go down 200ish MMR or something.  Seriously, just like Elo in chess, it's all the same.  And also, since the player base is so scarce, once you get over 2400ish, I don't think the rating represents you as well.

All there is to it is that it'd be more accurate if there were more players.  Same problem in QL.  This would fill in the gaps of the top 10% or so (really just making up numbers here) holding the MMR ratings for a span of 400-500 (2400-2900?  guessing again).  You know it's bad when I can hit 2100-2200 (#180ish in the continent of North America?  c'mon, that can't be right! -- I'm not good enough for that!) in just 105 hours of game time... the main problem is lack of players in Hawken.

We just need a wider player base.  Because once you hit 2000+ish, it's hard to find games.  I imagine it's much harder once you hit 2400+.  I made my first smurf today.  Kinda early for that.

So, uh, stream more Hawken if you can!  I'm streaming quite often, though I don't know if it encourages any new players...  We need to make this game blow up!

[BaronSaturday]

You know what would be better than visible mmr? A Ladder. A ladder seperate from regular matches. E-peen waggers can go on wagging showing only a skill base against people on the ladder. People who like competition, but don't have time for TPG can compete, casuals and semi casuals can do what they do.

Honestly. I want to know where I stand. I know I won't ever be in the top 100, but I worked very hard to be where I'm at and against a progressive disability. I don't flop my E-peen out anywhere because I would have to contend with the fact that being in the top 700 in the world and top 500 in NA is a very very temporary thing for me. I just want to know where I've peaked at so I can say I beat the odds. And only the odds. At this point I have played with the best in the world. I've been in the top 1k of something for the first time in my life. I feel good about it.

[StubbornPuppet]

I still contend that everyone's MMR would look different than it does now if they removed all accounts that haven't logged in over the last 90 days from the equation.

[Hyginos]

I still contend that everyone's MMR would look different than it does now if they removed all accounts that haven't logged in over the last 90 days from the equation.

 

How about the last 21 days?

[StubbornPuppet]

^Nah, I'm not talking about where the balance of where players are rated, I'm talking about how each persons individual MMR would change if the calculation only looked at accounts with activity in the last 90 day.

[Hyginos]

^Nah, I'm not talking about where the balance of where players are rated, I'm talking about how each persons individual MMR would change if the calculation only looked at accounts with activity in the last 90 day.

 

The calculation doesn't even look at players outside the match.

[StubbornPuppet]

The calculation doesn't even look at players outside the match.

I'm not talking about matchmaking or SRD.  I'm talking about a players MMR, period.  To figure out what a players MMR is, it compares their performance to all the other players in Hawken.  A players MMR is what it is, it doesn't matter which match they're in.

[Hyginos]

I'm not talking about matchmaking or SRD.  I'm talking about a players MMR, period.  To figure out what a players MMR is, it compares their performance to all the other players in Hawken.  A players MMR is what it is, it doesn't matter which match they're in.

 

Read this thread again.

 

MMR is calculated on a match by match basis based on how you did in that match.

Edited by Hyginos, 18 August 2015 - 02:14 PM.

[Call_Me_Ishmael]

Puppet,

 

I don't think the Log-linear function is calculated from the current skew or even sigma.  It could be, but that seems like a bit 'extra' to program.

[M4st0d0n]

Ouuuh so much fun. Lucky guess forum game, the poor man way of doing stats.

[StubbornPuppet]

Puppet,

 

I don't think the Log-linear function is calculated from the current skew or even sigma.  It could be, but that seems like a bit 'extra' to program.

OK, you're probably right.  I've previously read your (and many others) explanations for how the MMR calculation in Hawken most likely works... and it always seemed like it was including bell curves within the range to determine how a player was ranked compared to the overall player base.

 

I think it makes sense that MMR would work better if it were to account for where a player stands in relation to all other active players - as it would allow for the unique attributes of the game, especially as it changes over time, to do a better job of determining which players belong together.  If there's a reason that would be worse, I'd actually appreciate an explanation of why/how.

 

Thanks.

Edited by StubbornPuppet, 20 August 2015 - 06:19 AM.

[M4st0d0n]

Hawken MMR repartition is certainly not a Bell curve.

 

THAT is a Bell curve.