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[coldform]

Moar internet fights! Popcorn! Get her popcorn heah!

[Call_Me_Ishmael]

Call outs from you? What is your aim here crafty? What are you trying to accomplish?

If you want me to beat you in a named account say so. If you are trying to get me to play main ACCTS and not alts then sorry.

Callouts are still callouts.

[CraftyDus]

1v1 come at each other bros

 

Kirk and I can be match commentators and make it fun for everyone!

 

I should get friggin' BODIED by Mr 3,000 hours in a scout. He's running 80+ hour/2weeks in that thing, and its the only game he's playing.

There's no shame in that.

But flappin' that yapper at sooper sicrit 2150 mmr solicits a response.

[CraftyDus]

Call outs from you? What is your aim here crafty? What are you trying to accomplish?

If you want me to beat you in a named account say so. If you are trying to get me to play main ACCTS and not alts then sorry.

Callouts are still callouts.

 

 

I blow chode at dueling!

It makes me ugly, and I consider it akin to sheep****ing.

 

 

Lol

It's not a callout when you can't help but run your mouth at me. I'm simply replying.

[Call_Me_Ishmael]

The one thing I will not do is test arena 1v1.

You'll have to figure out who destroyed you just like everyone else.

Any chance you had of having me as TPG admin just evaporated.

Edit: I will point out that you are basing your call out on old stats old Accts.

Edited by Call_Me_Ishmael, 17 June 2015 - 07:30 AM.

[Amidatelion]

Reasons discussions of MMR are pointless: they reduce two otherwise mature men to

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[CraftyDus]

I will point out that you are basing your call out on old stats

 

 

 FWIW, your MMR is less than mine, whatever it really is. 

 

 

Lol

It's not a callout when you can't help but run your mouth at me. I'm simply replying.

 

 

mfw when you imagine my replies are a "call out"

Edited by Crafty, 17 June 2015 - 11:35 AM.

[Call_Me_Ishmael]

Shrug. Kirk gets women.

[TheButtSatisfier]

Shrug. Kirk gets women everyone.

 

FTFY.

 

When/if this turns into a 1v1 hate-fuzzy bunnyng spree, Kirk and I will be there to give the play-by-play. I haven't confirmed this with Kirk yet, but if he doesn't show up then I'll just pretend I'm him for half of it.

[Call_Me_Ishmael]

Snort. I may have to bring plenty of tool for this job. If I do, same deal with kirk, ok?

Everyone happy now?

[CraftyDus]

I blow chode at dueling!

It makes me ugly, and I consider it akin to sheep****ing.

 

What's weird to me is that you think talking down to me about your supposedly higher mmr and then trying to get me to duel is a normal response to saying I don't invest in the match making rating system and do not enjoy dueling.

 

It's not going to happen and nobody "called you out". Sorry about damaging your ego, friend.

 

I'm not saying I'm much else besides than The Worst Reaper NA.

 

I'm replying to your "FWIW" comment with a closer look at what , in fact it really is worth.

 

By saying that you spent 3,000 hours in a scout (and few other mechs) on your "old "main and topped out at 2157.

 

That's a mole that I couldn't have forgiven myself for not whacking.

 

You are welcome to continue "destroying" me in anonymity.

I will continue to consider you as a sort of misunderstood superhero of some super secret mmr mission, or whatever.

 

relevant gif

 

[T3CHM3CH]

-The Specialist
This player has the bulk of hours spent in 1-3 mechs.
Typically we find that those mechs are the mechs that they hold a possitive K/D ratio.
(Technician not withstanding)

 i have seen several people using technician with a positive k/d ratio

it just depend on your play style, you can play tech offensively in 1500-1800 server, but when you face very experience player, it gets more problematic

 

[Amidatelion]

It's not going to happen and nobody "called you out". Sorry about damaging your ego, friend.

I'm not saying I'm much else besides than The Worst Reaper NA.

Crafty I really hate to point this out but with everything else you're saying there seems to be someone else with damaged feelings. For someone who is so pro-smack, this seems like an excessive response.

[KirkGoneWild]

[CraftyDus]

I'm not saying I'm much else besides than The Worst Reaper NA.

 

 

 For someone who is so pro-smack, this seems like an excessive response.

 

Worst Reaper NA has been the title on my twitch streams for the past few weeks.

It's not "excessive" at all.

It's not like I'm tattooing it on my forearms.

[PoopSlinger]

Duel on Bunker

[coldform]

FWIW, I feel your pain, bro.  Also FWIW, your MMR is less than mine, whatever it really is.  Jus' sayin' :).

Lol. I'm gonna play the part of a dickhead here, with my own reservations about doing such a thing in the forums, and complete awareness of how wrong the following statement will be, but with That being said:

Like a data point that approximates someone's skill to a numerical value, based on your previous posts, I know I'm a better player than you, regardless of your opinions.

[TheButtSatisfier]

I'm really upset that you guys are resolving this amicably and not doing a rage-fueled 1v1.

[CraftyDus]

I'm really upset that you guys are resolving this amicably and not doing a rage-fueled 1v1.

 

You know how bad I am at duels, the closest thing to that I'm into is playing cookie breath in a dm with others

[comic_sans]

I'm really upset that you guys are resolving this amicably and not doing a rage-fueled 1v1.

 

Yeah, I can't sell tickets to peaceful conflict resolution.

 

OHHH AND LOOK AT THAT REASONABLE RESPONSE TO THAT WELL REASONED POINT, THAT'S GONNA LEAVE A MATURITY

 

Just can't fill seats with lines like those.

[TheButtSatisfier]

You know how bad I am at duels, the closest thing to that I'm into is playing cookie breath in a dm with others

 

Actually, I've been confused about why you keep saying you suck at duels, because I've dueled against a number of your smurfs and it wasn't easy. That probably means I suck at dueling, but I'm fairly sure you are better at dueling than you are making yourself out to be.

[CraftyDus]

Actually, I've been confused about why you keep saying you suck at duels, because I've dueled against a number of your smurfs and it wasn't easy. That probably means I suck at dueling, but I'm fairly sure you are better at dueling than you are making yourself out to be.

 

don't outwit me with your agenda!

[reVelske]

ITT:

 

[LEmental]

Shrug. Kirk gets women.

 

 

[Sylhiri]

Worst Reaper NA has been the title on my twitch streams for the past few weeks.

It's not "excessive" at all.

It's not like I'm tattooing it on my forearms.

 

Seems like something that would be put on the left or right buttcheek

[TheButtSatisfier]

Seems like something that would be put on the left or right buttcheek

 

That should be the punishment if he loses his 1v1.

[CraftyDus]

sadists

[Call_Me_Ishmael]

Gah.  I don't suppose tomorrow morning is good enough, Crafty?  I'll record it, of course.  Today, I'm beat (my job does occasionally demand things from me).

 

If you're on at 07:30 EDT, I will be whatever Scout is on at the time.  OK?  We can beat each other up in a TDM.  Hell, if one match and one day isn't enough, we can do this for a few days in a row.

 

Evenings kinda suck for me anymore, and daily calls with Japan are why I am not playing TPG more.  Which reminds, me, Amid, I will be even MORE tired today if you still need me to ring.

Edited by Call_Me_Ishmael, 17 June 2015 - 01:53 PM.

[OmegaNull]

I definitely fall into the specialist type. Because of all the smurfs, my MMR has dropped from 2450 to about 2200-2300. Not complaining though. I can find matches easier now.

[CrimsonKaim]

Mmr is just as broken and worthless as the MM itself. A reflection for dumb people who think they actually have skill.

Many said that already in the old forums and while I myself believed in MMR being a good measurement of skill back then, I doubt it has anything to say right now.

Ofcourse you can tell that a 1100 MMR player will horibly fail against a 2000 one but let them duel for some matches. You will notice that even the 1100's are actually a worthy opponent for some 2000's.


This is because of MMR shows not the amount of skill a player has but more his or her maximum efficiency in his or hers best role.

Let me explain. I want you to imagine 5 bottles right now. 4 are one litre bottles and the last one is a limited water source that can vary.

The four bottles represent one role each. (No n role like flanker, front liner, etc.) Let's say for example the first bottle represents a player's ability to fight in a team. The 5th bottle pours water in this one. Let's say 0.8 l. In the other bottles is also water poured in but for each only 0.2 l.

Now the matchmaker will give this player a high MMR because it recognizes the 8.0 l aka his impressive ability to fight in a team.

Now another player has bottles for example 4x 0.6 l. His ability to fight in teams is worse than the other player's but he is also skilled in the other roles (example: solo play, flanking, sniping, support, whatever).

In total he has more water poured into his four bottles than the other player only focusing on one specific bottle.

The problem is that the MM will only recognize the bottle with the most water in it and will give the player who fights good in teams more MMR even though he has less water in total filled in his bottles than the other one (0.8 + 3x 0.2 = 1.4 | 4x 0.6 = 2.4). The total amount of water is in my eyes the true rating of skill as you can adapt to more situations and are independed from factors that may have to be constant in order to please your playstyle.

Me for example, I am a true solo player and will most likely not stay at my team. My playstyle only works out if my team does not consist of these 0.8 l bottle players which need a specific factor, in this example more teamplayers. Because without me, their playtsyle won't work out as they don't have the support to archieve their goal. This will result in my playstyle not working out because I can't flank if there is no front line.
And this is a major factor for raging players, trust me, it is.


Now you have bottles of water! :]

[JeffMagnum]

Tbh I doubt a 1100 MMR player would get a single kill on a 2000 MMR player. People at that low of an MMR tend to wander around in the open while firing with terrible accuracy, so even someone at 2000 would have no problem playing corners to avoid almost all damage.

As long as you're playing a team game mode, MMR will tend to reflect your weakest point. If you mess up even 1/10 games because you get forced into something you suck at like 1v1s or decide to play a mech you're bad at, your MMR is going to drop very quickly if you're playing in a server with an average MMR significantly below yours. MMR is a lot better for comparing consistency instead of skill past 2500-2600.

Edited by JeffMagnum, 17 June 2015 - 10:49 PM.

[CrimsonKaim]

Tbh I doubt a 1100 MMR player would get a single kill on a 2000 MMR player. People at that low of an MMR tend to wander around in the open while firing with terrible accuracy, so even someone at 2000 would have no problem playing corners to avoid almost all damage.
 

 

I did the experiment. One of my friends I showed Hawken had a fight vs a 2000ish player and won. You have to say he was piloting an Assault (1100) and the other was piloting slug reaper. 

 

But still, it is possible. 

 

 

-jump-

 

 

What do you mean by consistency? Can't really relate it to anything o:

[reVelske]

With a lucky TOW, anyone has a chance to win against anyone else, it's about being able to do it consistently in a team environment.

 

My experience with 1400~ MMR players is that they don't like to dodge and are not very aware of their surroundings.

[dorobo]

Devs make mmr lowered more for leaving games rather than loosing them ! !

 

[Nept]

You guys are like way overthinking this.

[Kopra]

Imagine if the MMR was completely invisible, and the only way of knowing its existence was that team balance seemed to take some pattern.

[DerMax]

Imagine if the MMR was completely invisible, and the only way of knowing its existence was that team balance seemed to take some pattern.

Oh that'd be fancy.

 

The MMR system is complete crap right now. I'm 2200, playing EOC infil with no orbs, scanners, composite armor or air-compressor. Give me an orblord assault and I'll go 2600+ in two weeks.

 

The main problem with the current MMR system is that it doesn't care about your real performance; all it cares about is the amount of XP you get, which is absolutely not representative of how well you fare. It rewards mindless yolodiving in an attempt to grab a kill and die stupidly, again and again, because that gets you quite a lot of XP. In a TDM match, it will reward a person who goes 10-15-0 much higher than someone who goes 2-0-15, even though the latter is clearly more valuable to the team. Then there's the underdog bonus to help skilled smurfers humiliate other players.

 

Hawken's MMR system is a joke, and it's in a dire need of complete overhaul. Until that happens, all these thousands of MMR points some players like to brag about mean zilch to me.

Edited by DerMax, 18 June 2015 - 03:13 AM.

[Hyginos]

Hawken's MMR system is a joke, and it's in a dire need of complete overhaul. Until that happens, all these thousands of MMR points some players like to brag about mean zilch to me.

 

Considering the circumstances I think the MMR system works pretty damn well though scoring could stand to be looked at a bit for sure.

 

Also the underdog bonus will cause smurfs to rise in MMR much quicker. This is not bad.

[LaurenEmily]

It's funny how most of the players (if not all of them) who praise this current system with words such as 'brilliant & working well' are all in the top of the leaderboard with mmr of 2500 or above. Why would you want a change in a system that makes you look good ?

 

I agree with DerMax & Fake (somewhat), the system is flawed and not representing one's true skill.

[CrimsonKaim]

Imagine if the MMR was completely invisible, and the only way of knowing its existence was that team balance seemed to take some pattern.

 

They already removed the KDR stats, that's enough.

 

 

If they would remove score, pilot level, MMR or why not even the name, what kind of competition would be still left?

In addition, we wouldn't have people to blame at :D.