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[Kopra]

When calculating your damage, in addition to your personal ability to aim and weapon falloff ranges, you must also take spread and enemy hitbox size into account. Mechs with a bigger hitbox size are easier to hit with all traces, hence you can against them choose to engage at a longer distance or equip a weapon with more spread (and possibly damage).

 

Because Salty Stats has weapon spread information which isn't accurate or informing, nevermind in practical form, I decided to make a spreadsheet with ranges in relation to mech hitboxes.

 

How I tested these: holograms, hitbox finding with accurate weapons, visual spread pattern comparison to hitbox edges, sharpshooter/reaper distance calculation and patience.

 

Basically what this spreadsheet means that if you have perfect aim, you will always hit the enemy from this distance. After that you start losing DPS, first slowly but exponentially more as more distance is gained. Because of the hitboxes' tall rectangular form (and most spread patterns are roundish squares or wide oval), the DPS loss is softened at first but then the function starts being more influential on the DPS calculation when the spread pattern is fully outside of the full mech hitbox.

 

So in addition to damage falloff, personal skill, you might as well take into account the damage loss due to spread and hitbox size. The formula is (without the softening taken into account):

 

DPS spread multiplier = (OptimalDistance/CurrentDistance)^2

 

where CurrentDistance >= OptimalDistance and OptimalDistance is what's shown in the sheet, CurrentDistance is your distance to the enemy. The formula always results in 1.0 or less, you don't gain more damage simply because you're closer. So if you want to "simulate" this or make graphs with damage falloff taken into account, use a Heaviside function with this.

 

Difference between verified and derived: 

Verified means I have tested it personally and have found it to work. 

Derived means I have taken a verified value and multiplied/divided so that it suits the general formula: 

[A->B multip. = 1.24]

[B->C multip. = 1.18]

(Note: I think they should be 1.25 and 1.2 to suit 4m, 5m and 6m wide hitboxes but so far those numbers have been more accurate have shown otherwise.)

 

 

 

Note: this is the first draft, the numbers aren't absolutely accurate (possible error margin  +-5%) and very likely to change.

 

I only included somewhat relevant weapons so far and excluded projectile weapons and perfectly accurate weapons. There's no PN either because of its variable spread and multiple times of work compared to other weapons, and it's not even a good weapon.

 

If you quote this post, don't include the picture (because it might change into a more accurate version).

Edited by (KDR) Kopra, 05 July 2015 - 07:14 AM.

[Dawn_of_Ash]

 

*Insert long table that I did not, at all, quote beforehand when I was told not to, here*

 

 

While I was reading that table, one thought kept jumping out at me:

 

Thank god he is using metres. 

Edited by Dawn_of_Ash, 04 July 2015 - 03:13 PM.

[DerMax]

I think Nept's favorite word would be appropriate here.

[Nept]

[Bunnykillkill]

Think I said it before mister; you are insane, but in a good way I think.   ..

Edited by (KDR) Bunnykillkill, 04 July 2015 - 04:51 AM.

[hoghead]

Biggest thought I have today is I gotta mow the grass.  [My in-laws introduce me as [this is our son in-law he works with his hands.]    sigh.

Edited by hoghead, 04 July 2015 - 06:19 AM.

[dorobo]

You really care about hawken..

 

[Bunnykillkill]

Biggest thought I have today is I gotta mow the grass.  [My in-laws introduce me as [this is our son in-law he works with his hands.]    sigh.

 

Dfuq kinda "relationship" are you in?

[hoghead]

Well don't  read too much into it Bunny its just their collage ed-u-ma-kated and I'm not.  I was kinda being snarky.[ making lite of myself]  .

Edited by hoghead, 04 July 2015 - 07:58 AM.

[Call_Me_Ishmael]

It's still a shitty thing for them to say, HH. 

 

I would still love to drive a train. Maybe not day in, day out, but ain't nothing wrong with working.

Edited by Call_Me_Ishmael, 04 July 2015 - 08:28 AM.

[hoghead]

Its ok I married in to money.  [Sorry I think this thread got derailed. What I was alluding to was there are some very intelligent people in this community!]

Edited by hoghead, 04 July 2015 - 09:32 AM.

[StubbornPuppet]

I love how Kopra asks, "If you quote me, please don't include the picture." and the first thing anyone does is quote the picture.

[1uster]

Not sure if I understand that correctly but the sabot rifle unscoped is range-wise comparable efficient to the shotguns?

Also the mini-flak excels from all the shotguns range-wise? That would be interesting.

[Kopra]

Not sure if I understand that correctly but the sabot rifle unscoped is range-wise comparable efficient to the shotguns?

Also the mini-flak excels from all the shotguns range-wise? That would be interesting.

Sabotrifle unscoped has a similar spread (the bullet goes in a random direction) as the shotguns, but it's not very "efficient" at that.

What this spreadsheet tells is how close you have to be not to be affected by RNG, assuming you are aiming perfectly.

 

Mini-flak has the lowest spread of the flak weapons, but is the most affected by damage falloff (of which mini-flak has the harshest loss of DPS the more distance you have in between yourself and the enemy).

[Dawn_of_Ash]

I love how Kopra asks, "If you quote me, please don't include the picture." and the first thing anyone does is quote the picture.

 

Woops. XD I'll change mine right now.