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[maxajcd]

Got an idea to 3D print Hawken minifigure kind of things directly from the game files, Already was able to convert the seeker (its a relatively simple model) to printable .stl files through blender. Thinking maybe try to make it so i can piece together different mech parts and weapons to make customizable mechs. Ill get the first print done next week let me know what you guys think of the idea.

[Merl61]

would buy a scout

[OdinTheWise]

you should put magnets in them so that they are easy to mix and match parts

[maxajcd]

you should put magnets in them so that they are easy to mix and match parts

Actually a really good idea i was thinking about pins at first but they have very tight tolerances

[Merl61]

also go next level and paint them

[Bergwein]

Could you make this for me?

 

Spoiler

 

I would pay you! And love you! And much more!

[peacecraftSLD]

It would be awesome if there model kits for HAWKEN.

 

Its rather hard but i think I can at least make an Assault out of one of my Gunplas.....or just a goofy looking Gundam.

[ropefish]

Shut up and take my money ._.

[OdinTheWise]

also go next level and paint them

that takes the fun out of it.

 

what should be done is get some really high resolution SLA prints so that you can make some molds. that way you only have to clean up one print then just mold them.

[comic_sans]

I would betray all of my friends and family in the most dire way to have a little model of my custom scout.  I would even go full gunpla nerd and paint it.

[SS396]

Just so you realize maxajcd, all of the weapons models when extracted are mirrored along the barrel axis, so don't just extract them and print them.

[kaiserschmarrn_]

Just so you realize maxajcd, all of the weapons models when extracted are mirrored along the barrel axis, so don't just extract them and print them.

I was talking with him while we figured out how the files worked; we did not realize this.

 

Thanks!

[Hyginos]

Just so you realize maxajcd, all of the weapons models when extracted are mirrored along the barrel axis, so don't just extract them and print them.

 

From what I've seen most tool chains will give you a preview of the print before it goes to the slicer, so this should at least be fairly easy to deal with.

 

I'm more worried about printing something that has no substantial flat spots and wouldn't stand up normally. I imagine he will want to print entire mechs, weapons and all, so the technical challenge will probably come from printing an object that only holds up without Newtonian physics. Betting it will take a few tries to get the supports right on a consumer grade fused deposition rig.

[kaiserschmarrn_]

From what I've seen most tool chains will give you a preview of the print before it goes to the slicer, so this should at least be fairly easy to deal with.

 

I'm more worried about printing something that has no substantial flat spots and wouldn't stand up normally. I imagine he will want to print entire mechs, weapons and all, so the technical challenge will probably come from printing an object that only holds up without Newtonian physics. Betting it will take a few tries to get the supports right on a consumer grade fused deposition rig.

He's gonna use supports and print in separate pieces(hopefully after modifying the models so that they are more compatible).

[SS396]

From what I've seen most tool chains will give you a preview of the print before it goes to the slicer, so this should at least be fairly easy to deal with.
 
I'm more worried about printing something that has no substantial flat spots and wouldn't stand up normally. I imagine he will want to print entire mechs, weapons and all, so the technical challenge will probably come from printing an object that only holds up without Newtonian physics. Betting it will take a few tries to get the supports right on a consumer grade fused deposition rig.

 
 
Not really what I was talking about.  Its easy to deal with yes, its just a simple mirror along one axis, but if I wouldn't of said anything I doubt he would of noticed the meshes are mirrored.   I've seen tons of people extract the same files and just render them straightforward not realizing it.  Its a very easily overlooked thing unless you are focused on the specific details.  Many people don't even realize the images of weapons used in older builds were mirrored from their model to the static image displayed, so even ADH failed to realize that the Unreal engine imports the models mirrored.

 

Spoiler

[OdinTheWise]

if you guys are worried about the mech staing upright, you can do what seth green has done to all his figures and put magnets in the feet

[KarlSchlag]

How much would 4-6 cm high magnetic Hawken chess figures cost? Unpainted

[ticklemyiguana]

How much would 4-6 cm high magnetic Hawken chess figures cost? Unpainted

Sentium side:

Gren is queen, Rocketeer is king.

Raider is rook, SS is bishop, Assault is knight.

G2 Assault is the pawns.

 

Prosk Side:

Brawler is King, Battleturkey is queen

Scout is rook, Reaper is bishop, CRT is knight

Bruiser is the pawns.

 

I feel there are better variations, but not down the line between Sentium and Prosk. Shame there are no A mechs for sentium.

[KarlSchlag]

Sentium side:

Gren is queen, Rocketeer is king.

Raider is rook, SS is bishop, Assault is knight.

G2 Assault is the pawns.

 

Prosk Side:

Brawler is King, Battleturkey is queen

Scout is rook, Reaper is bishop, CRT is knight

Bruiser is the pawns.

 

I feel there are better variations, but not down the line between Sentium and Prosk. Shame there are no A mechs for sentium.

Sounds good to me. But what is a battleturkey? G2 Raider? 

[dorobo]

4-6 cm is kinda small

[Bergwein]

4-6 cm is kinda small

 

Karl is a cheap fuzzy bunny

[maxajcd]

Just so you realize maxajcd, all of the weapons models when extracted are mirrored along the barrel axis, so don't just extract them and print them.

when i put them into blender after exracting they look pretty normal to me but what problems could this casue?

[maxajcd]

also for everyone asking about how much these would cost, i havent even printed any yet and not even sure they will turn out well, also if there are any legal issues distributing kind of hawken merch like this. (im only 15)

 

How much would 4-6 cm high magnetic Hawken chess figures cost? Unpainted

Also the chess set sounds cool

[KarlSchlag]

Karl is a cheap fuzzy bunny:D

We'll talk about MY prize later Berg.

 

4-6 cm is kinda small

But you are right, the regular size would be around 7-8 cm. So is that possible? I think of a plain white set of 32 figures, so I can paint it. How much would the material and your time/work cost? How long would it take to do this? I have no idea how long the rendering/printing process takes. You don't need to make a detailed proposal. And if you want you can add me/send me a personal message, if you don't want to talk about money in the forums.

[Hyginos]

when i put them into blender after exracting they look pretty normal to me but what problems could this casue?

 

When you try you put them on a mech they will fit on the wrong side (EG, TOW on the left, Flak on the right).

[JackVandal]

Sentium side:

Gren is queen, Rocketeer is king.

Raider is rook, SS is bishop, Assault is knight.

G2 Assault is the pawns.

 

Prosk Side:

Brawler is King, Battleturkey is queen

Scout is rook, Reaper is bishop, CRT is knight

Bruiser is the pawns.

 

I feel there are better variations, but not down the line between Sentium and Prosk. Shame there are no A mechs for sentium.

 

Can i get in on one of these? (assuming tiggs and reloaded are cool with it)

Sounds good to me. But what is a battleturkey? G2 Raider? 

Yeah, it is.

Edited by JackVandal, 14 October 2015 - 09:16 AM.

[maxajcd]

When you try you put them on a mech they will fit on the wrong side (EG, TOW on the left, Flak on the right).

Ohhhh thank you i will flip them before exporting to a .stl file. 

 

We'll talk about MY prize later Berg.

 

But you are right, the regular size would be around 7-8 cm. So is that possible? I think of a plain white set of 32 figures, so I can paint it. How much would the material and your time/work cost? How long would it take to do this? I have no idea how long the rendering/printing process takes. You don't need to make a detailed proposal. And if you want you can add me/send me a personal message, if you don't want to talk about money in the forums.

The prints can take hours, i'd estimate 1-2 hours per cubic in, plastic is very cheap, to give you an idea, material cost for a 4 in tall mech is prob <$1. To give an idea, 1kg (2.2 lbs) of plastic is ?%30and the prints are not totally solid. Its mostly print time, also i definitely dont have the time for paint and am not sure how long, or how the quality of the print will be. If i make one (which sounds like an awesome idea) i'll determine price most likely depending on total print time and the quality of the pieces. Also im not really super experienced with selling stuff over the internet and would basically be up to my parents to decide if i could (i dont see why not). Printing is also an issue because i can only work half time (my computer with the mech files and programs and printer are at my dads house (parents divorced)) so it could take me a month to finish a whole set assuming all goes well. Ill keep you guys updated.

Edited by maxajcd, 14 October 2015 - 11:16 AM.

[Hyginos]

What kind of printer are you using? You might be able to use a larger extrusion size to speed up the print at the cost of resolution.

 

Additionally, if you print small enough or your print volume is large enough, you can print multiple pieces at once to be more time efficient.

[maxajcd]

What kind of printer are you using? You might be able to use a larger extrusion size to speed up the print at the cost of resolution.

 

Additionally, if you print small enough or your print volume is large enough, you can print multiple pieces at once to be more time efficient.

technically it would be the same print time because the same amount of plastic is being extruded (printing multiple pieces at once). Im using an AirWolf 3d V5.5 with a .35mm nozzle, i have the .5mm nozzle but print times are basically the same, also i wont have access to my printer for 3 weeks because ill be at my moms during that time (for reasons) but im here for 3 hours so ill see what i can get done in the meantime 3d moldeling wise

Edited by maxajcd, 14 October 2015 - 11:48 AM.

[maxajcd]

also i dont know yet how im going to correctly piece together the mechs because the files are of different chassis like the legs feet, arms, and body, and the weapon connection point

[Hyginos]

technically it would be the same print time because the same amount of plastic is being extruded (printing multiple pieces at once). Im using an AirWolf 3d V5.5 with a .35mm nozzle, i have the .5mm nozzle but print times are basically the same, also i wont have access to my printer for 3 weeks because ill be at my moms during that time (for reasons) but im here for 3 hours so ill see what i can get done in the meantime 3d moldeling wise

 

If you print multiple parts at once you don't have the setup time between those parts. If you're talking about making more than 2-3 objects that total time becomes substantial, especially because the time in question would be actual human labor time and not machine time.

Edited by Hyginos, 14 October 2015 - 12:16 PM.

[maxajcd]

If you print multiple parts at once you don't have the setup time between those parts.

I guess you are right. also i pm'ed u

[KarlSchlag]

Ohhhh thank you i will flip them before exporting to a .stl file. 

 

The prints can take hours, i'd estimate 1-2 hours per cubic in, plastic is very cheap, to give you an idea, material cost for a 4 in tall mech is prob <$1. To give an idea, 1kg (2.2 lbs) of plastic is ?%30and the prints are not totally solid. Its mostly print time, also i definitely dont have the time for paint and am not sure how long, or how the quality of the print will be. If i make one (which sounds like an awesome idea) i'll determine price most likely depending on total print time and the quality of the pieces. Also im not really super experienced with selling stuff over the internet and would basically be up to my parents to decide if i could (i dont see why not). Printing is also an issue because i can only work half time (my computer with the mech files and programs and printer are at my dads house (parents divorced)) so it could take me a month to finish a whole set assuming all goes well. Ill keep you guys updated.

That sounds great. In fact you might get a dozen orders for chess games. But remember, I asked first No, seriously, if you could manage to do this for an acceptable pricing, I'd buy one of those. No matter how long it'd take. I'd pay half of your price in advance to make sure you and your parents are ok with selling stuff over the internet. Maybe via ebay. I'm sure there will be a solution. I think even Reloaded might show some interest in unique merchandise stuff like this. For example as a first price for a tournament or so. 

Another technical aspect would be the stands. I don't know how precise your printer is, but you'll have to think about how a magnet would be attached to the stands. But I can upload some sketches the next couple of days. No hurry:)

[maxajcd]

I don't know how precise your printer is, but you'll have to think about how a magnet would be attached to the stands. But I can upload some sketches the next couple of days. No hurry:)

I can just take a drill and drill a hole in the feet for circular magnets and glue them in

[Amidatelion]

Heads up: Under US law, in cases where the the owner of the IP has not given express consent, the production AND SALE of material based on its IP is limited to original pieces based on an artist's own from scratch efforts. So if OP were to model a scout or similar from scratch and print a single piece, it would be legal. Mass production thereof, let alone based on game files, is not. At least, without Reloaded's consent. Were OP to eat the entire cost of production themselves and give the models away, it would be, strictly speaking, legal. At least until Reloaded starts making their own and suddenly things get complicated.

[maxajcd]

Heads up: Under US law, in cases where the the owner of the IP has not given express consent, the production AND SALE of material based on its IP is limited to original pieces based on an artist's own from scratch efforts. So if OP were to model a scout or similar from scratch and print a single piece, it would be legal. Mass production thereof, let alone based on game files, is not. At least, without Reloaded's consent. Were OP to eat the entire cost of production themselves and give the models away, it would be, strictly speaking, legal. At least until Reloaded starts making their own and suddenly things get complicated.

Thanks for clarification but since i don't really have the time to contact reloaded and set up a meeting and sign documents or whatever i have to, i guess i wont be printing these things after all, kind of a disappointment but cool idea. Maybe someday ill find the time to get this to work. Also it's illegal if i just make them at home and don't even distribute them right? RIP 3D printed mechs

[Amidatelion]

Thanks for clarification but since i don't really have the time to contact reloaded and set up a meeting and sign documents or whatever i have to, i guess i wont be printing these things after all, kind of a disappointment but cool idea. Maybe someday ill find the time to get this to work. Also it's illegal if i just make them at home and don't even distribute them right? RIP 3D printed mechs

No, you can make them yourself and give them away. But you cant make a profit or accept payment for materials. Shipping is fine.

[maxajcd]

No, you can make them yourself and give them away. But you cant make a profit or accept payment for materials. Shipping is fine.

ok so at least i can print them and see how it works, also how much is consent, is it just an ok from capnjosh on the forums or is it signing documents and lots of legal work?

[SS396]

when i put them into blender after exracting they look pretty normal to me but what problems could this casue?

 

 

When you try you put them on a mech they will fit on the wrong side (EG, TOW on the left, Flak on the right).

 

No, they are not flipped left arm to right arm, they are mirrored individually.  I posted pictures showing the issue, look at them closer.  How could you miss what I was explaining even after I posted the pictures?

[Amidatelion]

ok so at least i can print them and see how it works, also how much is consent, is it just an ok from capnjosh on the forums or is it signing documents and lots of legal work?

As to consent, I have no idea as to the minimum but I guarantee that any consent a corporation will grant to fan-made (which yours, as it uses game-files, is not) content will be very carefully worded and involve several hundred words to the public at large and retain the right to issue cease-and-desists at will on a case by case basis.

In order to profit from the use of their game files, you would have to enter into a full-on business arrangement with them.