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[americanbrit14]

Ok everybody. Because we are a community, and we only want to help hawken, hows about it we all brainstorm ideas on the second generation of mechs, we already have the G2 Assault and G2 Raider to use as general examples of how broad these ideas can be, so feel free to have fun and come up with some ideas! (and who knows, there is always the chance your idea may become a real G2 mech eventually)

 

because Sigil_ is awesome feel free to use the G2 icons from this thread as well as some of the other stuff from this thread

 

For the greater good, lets be the brain of the devs and do some of the future work for them. Everyone knows its much easier to take other people's ideas rather than make your own!

 

And now for a shameless plug

 

Jack Vandal's G2 Bruiser concept!

Edited by Americanbrit14 the moderately bad., 01 March 2016 - 09:03 PM.

[DeeRax]

Off the top of my head (literally within 30 seconds):

G2 Infiltrator:
Fast-ish, low HP C-class, with a BIG fuel tank, BIG radar, ability similar to infil's cloak, and armed ONLY with G2 version of heat cannon or AM-SAR, + nades.

Is it strictly better than reg Infiltrator?
I don't fuzzy bunnyng care!!!!


(In the case of Heat Cannon, retire heat gren fatfiltrator and give it EOC instead?)
(A C-Class with a cloak ability might be an ineffective cloak.......... Don't even care....)
(Is the Predator pretty much already the G2 Infiltrator?... Yes... Don't even care...)

Edited by (TDM) DeeRax, 01 March 2016 - 02:55 PM.

[DeeRax]

G2 Scout:

Medium-speed, low-ish HP C-class, with O.K. or small-ish fuel tank and BIGGEST radar in the game.
Armed with AM-SAR + TOW. (Maybe mini-flak or re-flak instead)
*Ability does something along the lines of any of the various proposed improvements for scanner.

*Get rid of scanner.








(OK.)

(Mostly, I just want to see a mech with AM-SAR with a secondary that's not a Sabot and a middle-click that's not scoping.)

Edited by (TDM) DeeRax, 01 March 2016 - 03:04 PM.

[JackVandal]

https://community.pl...-g2/?hl=bruiser

 

plug my own thread, plus had a decent(i think) idea for G2 tech, should such a thing be desired.

 

"Hmmm, off the bat idea, C class, ability that gives slow (armor fuser speed?) AoE regen to teammates in range when activated. (and maybe slows internal based regen in enemy mechs, this AoE would have to smaller though) does not stack with others of itself.

 

The mech would have to be fairly slow, so probably gren movement-speed, with relatively weak damage output so as not to be a sitting duck, but not unstoppable. Perhaps the Redox could stay with a slight damage buff? Secondary is Helix RNA, any ally mech attached to when taking damage siphons off the G2 techs health instead, pilot can be killed by this. alternate mode applies an acidic cavorite mist that applies a slight damage over time debuff to opponents."

[MechFighter5e3bf9]

i want the mobile assault station aka Leviathan from UT2004 +

[crockrocket]

iirc g2 brawler has an aoe healing ability akin to the incinerator butt stomp. Eyes_Only knows I think

[dorobo]

I want new mechs with new guns and mechanics.. Not sure i would be mighty happy if devs finally would drop bunch of reused stuff.

[DemitronPrime]

https://community.pl...-g2/?hl=bruiser

 

plug my own thread, plus had a decent(i think) idea for G2 tech, should such a thing be desired.

 

"Hmmm, off the bat idea, C class, ability that gives slow (armor fuser speed?) AoE regen to teammates in range when activated. (and maybe slows internal based regen in enemy mechs, this AoE would have to smaller though) does not stack with others of itself.

 

The mech would have to be fairly slow, so probably gren movement-speed, with relatively weak damage output so as not to be a sitting duck, but not unstoppable. Perhaps the Redox could stay with a slight damage buff? Secondary is Helix RNA, any ally mech attached to when taking damage siphons off the G2 techs health instead, pilot can be killed by this. alternate mode applies an acidic cavorite mist that applies a slight damage over time debuff to opponents."

 

 

g2 tech... *salivating*

[MomOw]

The specification for G2 mechs should be :

Hard to master, put emphasis on G1 meta, competitive but not OP.

 

(note that with that definition a PPA incin' is a G2 salt in terms of infinite DPS, sustain and cheese).

 

 

I'd rather have modififcation of some G1 abilities before having G2 mechs, so that G2 would me more meaningful (turret modes that are pretty useless, Bruiser ability not really practical, reaper ability not really useful, slight modification of infil/pred ability to remove sight detection and allow them to be almost invisible while not moving).

 

BTW I'd like to have a B-class inflitrator with a heat canon and a GL

[Hyginos]

G2 vangaurd: literally a bruiser (but gimp the air speed and give it a bit more armor) with miniflak and a GL.

 

G2 rocketeer: double seeker. Ability flashes a neon sign that says "I am nub"

 

G2 infiltrator: A class, heat + GL. Ability is an omni-directional dodge (including up) that costs some fuel, goes further than a normal dodge, and does not show up on radar. Could also be a G2 scout.

 

G2 scout: Flak-tow b class with a radar pulse ability. Actually don't do that. It would be super broken.

 

G2 pred: double breacher-xt. The xt version will do a bit less damage and have adjusted charge times. 

 

G2 gren: rev-gl? TWOOOOO REV-GL!

 

 

 

BTW I'd like to have a B-class inflitrator with a heat canon and a GL

 

Pusher pls.

Edited by Hyginos, 02 March 2016 - 06:49 AM.

[PoopSlinger]

G2 Reaper:   C-Class fatfuzzy bunny with 3   amsars!  They all have even less accuracy.  The ability makes their accuracy perfect, but they all fire continuously until the mech overheats.

[DeeRax]

G2 Reaper:   C-Class fatfuzzy bunny with 3   amsars!

 
So...
Uh.

Where's that 3rd one going to be?

[Hyginos]

 
So...
Uh.

Where's that 3rd one going to be?

 

Mounted on the joint between the upper legs and the chassis.

[maxajcd]

iirc g2 brawler has an aoe healing ability akin to the incinerator butt stomp. Eyes_Only knows I think

i have/had footage of this, recorded with an iphone 4s so its crap, but seeable

[maxajcd]

G2 berserker, C-Class, 600% airspeed, 1000L fuel tank, Ability: the "wings" turn into actual wings, and it becomes a Jet with infinite fuel for 5 mins and a PPA on the nose and rapid fire hellfires under the wings (A-10 warthog as inspiration), give it a bit slower than brawler walk speed to compensate so its definatley not OP

[deidarall]

G2 vanguard, 50 percent slower. Out of turret mode.

 

 

Turret mode, -100% damage from front, double damage from rear, instead of being able to boost in turret mode, can dodge. Orbs do not heal hp for this mech, instead let mech "dump" heat. 

 

 

Sink or swim little fish. 

[Amidatelion]

Sure, why not.

 

Spoiler

G2 Rocketeer

 

Class: A

Chassis: McRoss (new chassis, designed with row of vertical missile launchers built into the main body of the mech, ala the heat vents on the Incinerator's arms - cosmetic only)

Armour: 325

Fuel tank: 100L

Boost Speed: 30m/s

Fuel Regen: 12.5 L/s

Ground Speed: 18m/s

Air Speed: 40m/s

Radar: 100m

Dodging: 1s

Overheating: 7s

Special Ability: Micro-Missile Massacre

Upon triggering the McRoss' Micro-Missile Massacre, tracking for the ability comes online. Any valid target that the reticule passes over is locked on to over the course of 3 seconds.

At the end of those three seconds, or upon triggering the ability again, a barrage of 25 micro-missiles are fired 15 meters into the air, and then follow an accelerating arc to the locked on targets, splitting the targets evenly between all 25 missiles.

Each missile does 20.2 damage.

The second trigger of the ability can be charged to increase the initial launch height to a maximum of 150 meters.

If no targets are locked at the end of the 5 seconds, the entire barrage fires at the point the reticule was initially pointed at.

Use of the ability immediately overheats the mech upon launch of the missiles.

Cooldown: 120 seconds.

Primary: Heat Cannon XT

The Heat Cannon XT features a faster charge time and smaller blast radius than its regular cousin, rewarding greater accuracy on the part of the pilot.

Secondary: XT Hellfire Missiles 

XT Hellfires function identically to normal Hellfires, save that they reload faster if fired unlocked.

Note: in the event that Hellfires' mechanics are changed, XT Hellfires would maintain current mechanics as a MK1 MOD 1 type.

Default item: Heat charge, because lol.

Edited by Amidatelion, 02 March 2016 - 04:40 PM.

[JackVandal]

Bruiser ability not really practical,

My idea for the G2 ability is give the B class, C class movement stats, with a 60% damage reduction for several seconds. personally give it a hawkins and a functioning hellfires(more burst, or any sort of competent balance) 

[DallasCreeper]

 

Sure, why not.

 

Spoiler

G2 Rocketeer

 

Class: A

Chassis: McRoss (new chassis, designed with row of vertical missile launchers built into the main body of the mech, ala the heat vents on the Incinerator's arms - cosmetic only)

Armour: 325

Fuel tank: 100L

Boost Speed: 30m/s

Fuel Regen: 12.5 L/s

Ground Speed: 18m/s

Air Speed: 40m/s

Radar: 100m

Dodging: 1s

Overheating: 7s

Special Ability: Micro-Missile Massacre

Upon triggering the McRoss' Micro-Missile Massacre, tracking for the ability comes online. Any valid target that the reticule passes over is locked on to over the course of 3 seconds.

At the end of those three seconds, or upon triggering the ability again, a barrage of 25 micro-missiles are fired 15 meters into the air, and then follow an accelerating arc to the locked on targets, splitting the targets evenly between all 25 missiles.

Each missile does 20.2 damage.

The second trigger of the ability can be charged to increase the initial launch height to a maximum of 150 meters.

If no targets are locked at the end of the 5 seconds, the entire barrage fires at the point the reticule was initially pointed at.

Use of the ability immediately overheats the mech upon launch of the missiles.

Cooldown: 120 seconds.

Primary: Heat Cannon XT

The Heat Cannon XT features a faster charge time and smaller blast radius than its regular cousin, rewarding greater accuracy on the part of the pilot.

Secondary: XT Hellfire Missiles 

XT Hellfires function identically to normal Hellfires, save that they reload faster if fired unlocked.

Note: in the event that Hellfires' mechanics are changed, XT Hellfires would maintain current mechanics as a MK1 MOD 1 type.

Default item: Heat charge, because lol.

 

This seem surprisingly balanced

[MomOw]

 

Sure, why not.

 

Special Ability: Micro-Missile Massacre

 

 

Noice

 

[Hyginos]

This seem surprisingly balanced

 

Except that if you lock one target and fire right away you're talking about a 512.5 damage volley. You would have to design the lock and flight mechanics very carefully to prevent this thing from easily landing high-percentage salvos.

[DallasCreeper]

Except that if you lock one target and fire right away you're talking about a 512.5 damage volley. You would have to design the lock and flight mechanics very carefully to prevent this thing from easily landing high-percentage salvos.

Maybe a cap of the amount of rockets that can be fired at a single target?

[Amidatelion]

Except that if you lock one target and fire right away you're talking about a 512.5 damage volley. You would have to design the lock and flight mechanics very carefully to prevent this thing from easily landing high-percentage salvos.

That's part of it. To manage that, you have to keep your targeting solution on one mech and one mech only. Given hellfire (roughly the speed and maneuverability im thinking of here) dodge rates, it is unlikely that the whole barrage would land and it would rarely do so all at once. Hellfires stagger 8 missile hits over roughly half a second. By the time the last missile hits, the target can be standing over an orb, having tanked the first few. Unlike hellfires, the ability can only be fired once every two minutes base, so an average user will want to spread the barrage out over 6 mechs and aim for replenisher assists, reducing the cooldown to possibly under a minute. That, plus the abundance of cover on most map, the existence of deflectors and the fragility of the mech balance it.

The barrage was designed with the idea that it should be either (relatively) frequently used or annihilate anything short of a Raider if the pilot manages to 1) maintain single lock 2) set up absolutely ideal lines of sight and 3) punish a target unable to dodge. The pilot is also offensively helpless for 10 seconds immediately thereafter, taking uncancellable firing and overheating times into account. While damage can of course be tweaked, I don't think this iteration of Worst Aimbot is particularly broken, outside of breaking Reloaded's "No One-shots" design guideline.

Look, I just want Momow's pic in game. That and a C-class twerk taunt are pretty much all I ask.

[DallasCreeper]

 Reloaded's "No One-shots" design guideline.
 

#NerfPredator

Spoiler

Plz don't

[CoshCaust]

My take on G2 Scout:

 

Flack, TOW

Faster than Scout

More fuel than Scout

Faster fuel regeneration than Scout

Much less health than Scout

Much less radar range than Scout

Ability temporarily increases speed

 

But really what I want is a Scout with KLA.

[MechFighter5e3bf9]

infiltrator needs a laser designator

 

That's part of it. To manage that, you have to keep your targeting solution on one mech and one mech only. Given hellfire (roughly the speed and maneuverability im thinking of here) dodge rates, it is unlikely that the whole barrage would land and it would rarely do so all at once. Hellfires stagger 8 missile hits over roughly half a second. By the time the last missile hits, the target can be standing over an orb, having tanked the first few. Unlike hellfires, the ability can only be fired once every two minutes base, so an average user will want to spread the barrage out over 6 mechs and aim for replenisher assists, reducing the cooldown to possibly under a minute. That, plus the abundance of cover on most map, the existence of deflectors and the fragility of the mech balance it.

The barrage was designed with the idea that it should be either (relatively) frequently used or annihilate anything short of a Raider if the pilot manages to 1) maintain single lock 2) set up absolutely ideal lines of sight and 3) punish a target unable to dodge. The pilot is also offensively helpless for 10 seconds immediately thereafter, taking uncancellable firing and overheating times into account. While damage can of course be tweaked, I don't think this iteration of Worst Aimbot is particularly broken, outside of breaking Reloaded's "No One-shots" design guideline.

Look, I just want Momow's pic in game. That and a C-class twerk taunt are pretty much all I ask.

 

mabey add a new feature to infiltrator called laser designator similar to the artillery/siege vehicles in battlefield 1942 which can operate alone but have the ability to open the camera of a recon who is using his spotting scope allowing him to adjust fire on targets out of sight

[Amidatelion]

infiltrator needs a laser designator


mabey add a new feature to infiltrator called laser designator similar to the artillery/siege vehicles in battlefield 1942 which can operate alone but have the ability to open the camera of a recon who is using his spotting scope allowing him to adjust fire on targets out of sight

A laser designator ala Half-life's rocket launcher is actually my submissions for reworked Hellfires. With some tweaks, I think the mechanic would raise the engagement and viability of Hellfire mechs.

[Call_Me_Ishmael]

Can I have a G2 scout with Flak and MIRV?  I don't need the KLA mode, just the MIRV.  Same chassis and health, other stats.

[Hecatoncheires]

G2 CR-T - Dual tow. PLEASE.

 

Edit: It could have TOW Rocket XT's with lower damage but a larger AoE.

Edited by Hecatoncheires, 15 June 2016 - 10:43 PM.

[Shade__]

G2 CR-T - Dual tow. PLEASE.

 

Edit: It could have TOW Rocket XT's with lower damage but a larger AoE.

ALL MY YES, ALL MY YES, ALL MY YES 

[StubbornPuppet]

3 words: Dual Heat Cannon

[maxajcd]

3 words: Dual Heat Cannon

this would technically have more dps than g2 assault

[StubbornPuppet]

3 words: Dual Heat Cannon

 

 

this would technically have more dps than g2 assault

 

[Arkhaun]

g2 brawler, two TOWs and a turret mode where he can turn faster while taking less dmg but is temporary much like battle turkeys and thus is not bunkered down so legs receive no mitigation from incoming dmg.

 

can "one-two punch" lights and take on multiple opponents while ability is active

 

the tows should be slower projectiles though or less stable accuracy but the ability shouldnt kill movement like turret mode or if so it not be as severe

[Luaq]

DON'T GET ME STARTED ON THIIIISSSSS!!! (calm down)

Spoiler

COFFEEEEEEEEEEE
http://fanu.bandcamp.../mocca-overdose

Alright so here's some Ideas I've been thinking for a long while and I was lucky enough to have one of my questions about ability reworks in a Q&A with Capnjosh for hawken's future....


Here's some open ideas for people modify/critique as they want:

"G2 ROCKETEER"

Spoiler

FLOATING FORTRESS G2 ROCKTEER (Would need to rework maps so that when you're high in the sky you don't see through walls because of map limits)

Once you activate turret mode you actually lift off vertically and become a floating fortress with the armor under (front and back with critical weak point right under the middle) This includes Infinite floating time because it's a turret mode though it would be impossible to dogde but able to move. (Some low performance stable flight)

Weapons: I'd see SA-HAWKINS with the classic HF missiles (tweaked for multiple target aim)
Item for release: The flying Drones in coop-op bot destruction! Come on they're already there and it's always possible to buff or nerf

G2 CLOAKED C-CLASS

Spoiler

I did imagine a semilar CLOAKED C-CLASS as (TDM) DeeRax have though it would be more tricky so much that I'm not sure I'd call it infiltrator but something that resembles the idea of a scarecrow or recon?..;

The ability wouldn't rely on fuel but on deploying an ability "Item" (ELECTRIC POLE) that this mech would need to be attached to via power cord until it heats and melts the power cord up or someones breaks the Pole or if it's retreated by the user (scarecrow reference of being bound to the ground) and people would refer to it as BIG&BEAUTIFUL DANCER because the mech is locked to this pole physically by a "mid range distance" power cord. When plugged, it is camouflaged and damage and boost doesnt break the camo.  The trick would be to go at a strategic point like the predator and wait for wondering low hp or a-class mechs and shoot them up! Maybe B class could work better I'm unsure

Weapons: EOC/BREACHER/VULCAN as main and EOC PRED or GREN
Item: FUEL DRAINER ORB or something that slows down mech in an Area of Effect.
taunt: Awkward scarecrow pose "lifting shoulder"

Last but not least
G2 BRAWLER

Spoiler

In turret mode you actually become a FIXED BUNKER TURRET that can rotate and has reinforced armor on all sides with the exception of the top which is the weak spot but does heal over time like the original one ;)

Weapons: Either Long range sniper or close range main. Secondary: Good old TOW
Item: ORB LORD TROLOLLOLOL

 

Edited by Luaq, 16 June 2016 - 04:57 PM.

[CraftyDus]

 

G2 rocketeer: double seeker. Ability flashes a neon sign that says "I am nub"

 

[asipo]

G2 Reaper, C-Class

only change primary into am-sar that can be charged

[crockrocket]

 

 

G2 rocketeer: double seeker. Ability flashes a neon sign that says "I am nub"

 

G2 gren: rev-gl? TWOOOOO REV-GL!

 

 

Howken is your fault

[DallasCreeper]

i have/had footage of this, recorded with an iphone 4s so its crap, but seeable

Is this the animation played by the Boss Brawler on Frontline Bot destruction?

[dorobo]

I'm not sure what to put this on (brawler g3 maybe). So a heat cannon that can be charged like eoc. In one shot it goes similar to regular heatcannon but more dmg and bigger boom but when charged imagine three heatcannon payloads going off in a row poof poof poof but slower and less dmg on each. No need for a second gun on that mech