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[JeffMagnum]

Here's the new survey I created in response to some of the criticism I got: https://tinyurl.com/hawkensurvey

 

I made it in Google Forms to lower the barrier to completing it, added some options, reworded things for clarity to newer players, and put in a few more questions. The URL is also shortened to make it easier to share in-game (which is definitely encouraged) or anywhere else people might be interested in giving feedback.

 

I'm preparing to take the results with an entire shaker of salt, but I'm sure there will be interesting data regardless of what a few players might decide to do. Hopefully it'll be less tedious this time around so I don't spend an entire day doing unpaid data entry again.

Edited by JeffMagnum, 03 April 2015 - 10:24 AM.

[Miscellaneous]

So it turns out pressing "True" for Bunker needs a rework or revisions multiple times doesn't increase how true it is :/

[JeffMagnum]

bang-up job with these charts so far Google

 

Edited by JeffMagnum, 03 April 2015 - 10:06 AM.

[Leonhardt]

My only problem with the survey is that some of my answers are contingent upon changes asked of me previously in the survey. An example of this would be the question of TTK changes because my response varies depending upon what the fate of the tech is. See where I am going with this?

 

Since its rather difficult to include that in your survey I suggest that you take information like that and include it in a follow up survey with more detailed questions about interdependent variables in the game.

Edited by Leonhardt, 03 April 2015 - 10:11 AM.

[Pumapaw]

Thanks good questions.

[KOS_Baconman]

for last eco being reworked, I say it should be removed because it crashes my game and/or my computer somtimes, and recently I've being hearing some users saying the same. If i knew how to make polls on the forums, I'd make one for wether or not last eco should be removed and/or peoples thoughts on it.

[DerMax]

Doing God's work, son.

[JeffMagnum]

I considered adding more in-depth series of questions that addressed issues like that, but I feel like the survey is already pushing what a lot of people will want to fill out. There's also the problem of new players not necessarily understanding the meta well enough to consider variables like that, and I didn't want to exclude them from certain questions or make them think the survey is over their head. I might do a follow-up like you suggested if there's enough interest though. 

[OdinTheWise]

i did my part and so should you

[DerMax]

Hey admins, can you sticky this thread? Important biznus here.

[Sylhiri]

for last eco being reworked, I say it should be removed because it crashes my game and/or my computer somtimes, and recently I've being hearing some users saying the same. If i knew how to make polls on the forums, I'd make one for wether or not last eco should be removed and/or peoples thoughts on it.

 

Why would you want to remove a map when you can rework it to solve your crashing problems?

[PoopSlinger]

I DID IT! Wheres my gold star?

[Nept]

I am waaaaay too lazy to answer this, just like I was waaaaay too lazy to answer the first one.  I appreciate your gumption though, Jeff!

[JeffMagnum]

I DID IT! Wheres my gold star?

 

 

[phed]

I am waaaaay too lazy to answer this, just like I was waaaaay too lazy to answer the first one. I appreciate your gumption though, Jeff!

The last one, I was like, yeah, I'll do that next time I'm on my computer and on the forums, then I saw jeff had already compiled the data... thus one was super easy, did it right from my phone in like 2 minutes, you spent more time reading this thread already...

[KOS_Baconman]

Why would you want to remove a map when you can rework it to solve your crashing problems?

well sure, if that will do it, then do that plsthx

[JeffMagnum]

I am waaaaay too lazy to answer this, just like I was waaaaay too lazy to answer the first one.  I appreciate your gumption though, Jeff!

 

https://tinyurl.com/neptsurvey

[Nept]

https://tinyurl.com/neptsurvey

 

So why didn't you post that one as the main survey?

[JeffMagnum]

Good idea. I'm getting some excellent data from it regardless

 

[shosca]

What if i want the EOC dps buffed, just the dps, but leave the other burst weapons the same?

 

/me runs

[Amidatelion]

Cross-post.

[HorseHeadProphet]

good survey and smart move not making it too involved. Took literally 1 minute to complete.

[Panzermanathod]

I had most of my answers be "keep stuff the same". Not the Incinerator, though, I said nerf it slightly. Granted it needs a buff to Mama, though, at least in startup speed.

[-Tj-]

I completed the original survey, and completed the new Google Forms survey, too. I lso cmpltd teh Nept srvy 4. tan-q Jff! gd wrk

[devotion]

a lot of my opinions revolve around rebalancing mechs instead of uniformly buffing or nerfing them; i feel like i'm limited on options to accurately represent myself (what if i feel that ground speeds should increase for some and decrease for others? what if i only want to decrease c class health pools? you actually can't vote to decrease any health pool whatsoever, which seems like an interesting survey design).

Edited by devotion, 03 April 2015 - 01:12 PM.

[Interrobang87]

i liked most of the questions till i got to should sustain/burst be nerfed or buffed - each has multiple weapons in it and i hate blanket statements - the whole one bad egg ruining the bunch kind of thing

 

also in the armor class 400/600/800 part - did you mean standardizing the whole mech class armor ratings? like all B's get 600, all A get 400? or what did you mean there?

[GGGanjaMan]

I don't really understand the balancing outcry going on. The mechs have always felt pretty well-balanced individually for me. There was never an issue of something being completely OP or broken by itself.

 

When it comes to synergy between different mechs, sure the tech-incin combo could use re-working (infinite shooting with infinite healing chained to it? who ever thought that would be a good idea? or the devs just completely overlooked it to begin with and only realized it later when a good incin/tech combo could melt entire teams lol). But besides those 2, I don't really see the need for other drastic reworks or mech changes.

 

As for weapons the only one that may be slightly too good is the SMC. Maybe tweak it a bit to have more spread at range. But none of the weapons have ever felt broken or overpowered. I'd much rather the devs spent their time adding new content - new mechs, new maps, new modes... than to try and please everyone's balance whining.

[Epsilon_Knight]

I think I'm getting decent enough to have an opinion on this.  Thoughts:

 

I'm surprised there wasn't a question about hellfires.

 

I think tech is basically a part of the game at this point and should stay, but it should be reworked.  I don't think anything of value would be lost if techs had to aim and be on target with the healing beam, it'd make the current point generation somewhat more sane.  Maybe tweak the heat if it's a huge problem.

 

I'd like to see the scanner get a new mechanic, like sweeping and completing a sweep every, say, 2-3 seconds, and being unable to update enemy positions between sweeps.  I'd also like for this to create an audible ping in detected pilots' cockpits, informing them that A) there is a scanner in use and nearby and B) they have an opportunity to trick anyone monitoring the scanner by manipulating them with the ghost position, use another opening in the wall, etc.  Just brainstorming here.

 

If the TTK were to go up, it should be a very minor increase.  It feels like the fuel tanks, speed, heat, etc are barely enough to close the deal between players of equal skill in similar mechs when one wants to disengage.  Throw in techs and if it took 30% longer to sink kills you'd see a lot more matches finished by the timer rather than by kills.  Also another rework of the game's TTK would probably hurt more than it helped, community wise.

[LoC_TR]

i'm running low on positivity.. "HOW CAN I LIKE ALL THESE POSTS?!" 

 

In regards to the survey, awesome job boyo. Need a follow up for more in-depth options, and rate of fire questions.. 

[Superkamikazee]

Awesome job on the survey, a lot of work put into gathering data.

[Amidatelion]

Passing on from the Reddit:

 

"I'd rather not comment on a few of the balance questions because I don't feel qualified to comment given my skill level. I answered the "game feel" questions (TTK, MMR, Leaderboard) honestly, but I kind of wish for the balance questions I could answer (don't know/don't care)."

[HugeGuts]

I fall into the "compromise" group. I think there is nothing that needs removal. Just lots and lots of reworks.

[Nept]

Passing on from the Reddit:

 

"I'd rather not comment on a few of the balance questions because I don't feel qualified to comment given my skill level. I answered the "game feel" questions (TTK, MMR, Leaderboard) honestly, but I kind of wish for the balance questions I could answer (don't know/don't care)."

 

I wish we encountered more of these responses.

[LaurenEmily]

Done.

[Derpy Hooves]

I has done it Jeffypoo, can i has muffin nao?

[Rainbow_Sheep]

Done

[JeffMagnum]

I don't really understand the balancing outcry going on. The mechs have always felt pretty well-balanced individually for me. There was never an issue of something being completely OP or broken by itself.

 

When it comes to synergy between different mechs, sure the tech-incin combo could use re-working (infinite shooting with infinite healing chained to it? who ever thought that would be a good idea? or the devs just completely overlooked it to begin with and only realized it later when a good incin/tech combo could melt entire teams lol). But besides those 2, I don't really see the need for other drastic reworks or mech changes.

 

As for weapons the only one that may be slightly too good is the SMC. Maybe tweak it a bit to have more spread at range. But none of the weapons have ever felt broken or overpowered. I'd much rather the devs spent their time adding new content - new mechs, new maps, new modes... than to try and please everyone's balance whining.

 

For me, it's mostly an issue with Incin, Scanner, and some of the maps. Orbs could also use some adjustment, but aside from those problems, the game's current balance isn't bad. From the results of my last survey, that seems to be a pretty common view.

 

a lot of my opinions revolve around rebalancing mechs instead of uniformly buffing or nerfing them; i feel like i'm limited on options to accurately represent myself (what if i feel that ground speeds should increase for some and decrease for others? what if i only want to decrease c class health pools? you actually can't vote to decrease any health pool whatsoever, which seems like an interesting survey design).

 

 

I think I had that option on my other survey but accidentally left it off here. You're right about the second part though; it definitely should've been something along the lines of "Should x-Classes have their armor changed?" instead of what I chose. 

 

i liked most of the questions till i got to should sustain/burst be nerfed or buffed - each has multiple weapons in it and i hate blanket statements - the whole one bad egg ruining the bunch kind of thing

 

also in the armor class 400/600/800 part - did you mean standardizing the whole mech class armor ratings? like all B's get 600, all A get 400? or what did you mean there?

 

It's more "pick the choice closest to your opinion" than anything, but I should have added a "some" option to the questions about weapons. And basically any scheme other than the current one, like the one you're describing there. 

 

Passing on from the Reddit:

 

"I'd rather not comment on a few of the balance questions because I don't feel qualified to comment given my skill level. I answered the "game feel" questions (TTK, MMR, Leaderboard) honestly, but I kind of wish for the balance questions I could answer (don't know/don't care)."

 

In hindsight, I should've made a lot of the questions optional, but it's probably not a good idea to change that 120 responses in. 

[FRX23]

Up !

[FlamingBeaker]

How long are we open for business, this time?

[JeffMagnum]

I'm going for 150 responses. Minus eight that I'm not counting, I'm at 142 so far. I'll probably have to remove a few more now that leaderboards are up. 

Edited by JeffMagnum, 07 April 2015 - 01:00 AM.