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[Luaq]

Time for a little dev update.

Thx for the map. I enjoy as f***.
(Still mad about the YELLOW-RIPPLES camo not being yellow...)

So what have you been working on?
Just two three sentences... not asking too much here...

[Silverfire]

fixing things

doing research to make the game run better

implementing changes

planning new content and UI changes

 

what else do you want to know?

Edited by Silverfire, 03 August 2017 - 05:44 AM.

[Amidatelion]

fixing things
doing research to make the game run better
implementing changes
planning new content and UI changes

what else do you want to know?

All of that, from an official source, in a format that's not Discord.

[Luaq]

All of that, from an official source, in a format that's not Discord.

Precisely...

Especially since after the "community playtest cancelled to work on stuff".... what stuff?


thx.



And really, I'm wondering, how much time does it take to put YELLOW RIPPLES camo back to "255,255,0" instead of watermelon green joke? While your at it, give us variations such as White maybe? How hard is it to change the value of a color?? What can possibly go wrong?

Edited by Luaq, 03 August 2017 - 08:01 PM.

[EM1O]

and how about my Maraider1200mc gold camo not randomly looking like green corroded copper (mostly in Prosk)?

[Xer06siX]

Yes ripples need to be adjusted. I miss my yellow stripey mech. Seems like the scaling of the skin has also been changed to a smaller pattern.

[WmMoneyFrmMissouri]

and how about my Maraider1200mc gold camo not randomly looking like green corroded copper (mostly in Prosk)?

You're green with envy is the issue.

[CZeroFive]

We have an update that we're working on. When the contents of said update are finalized we can share what we are working on.

[DieselCat]

Why must you wait till said contents are finalized before sharing ?

[Charcoal]

Why must you wait till said contents are finalized before sharing ?

Because, until it's finalized, it may or may not make its way into the final update.

Communicating game design and balancing thought process is always welcome though

Edited by Charcoal, 05 August 2017 - 10:36 PM.

[claisolais]

Because, until it's finalized, it may or may not make its way into the final update.

Communicating game design and balancing thought process is always welcome though

But there is no communication--not that they should make the game based on what we want, but they are working the game on their own vision, we all know what have it done.

 

It means the console version/PC soft launch thingy might happen again.

 

Unless they were concentrating solely on fixing bugs, which doesnt need to share until finalized.

[DeltaBravo]

We have an update that we're working on. When the contents of said update are finalized we can share what we are working on.

Ambiguous much?  I find this completely unacceptable and at times the communication borders on contemptuous.  Listen to your community, for once.  Sure, they won't say what you want to hear most of the time, but they are your bread and butter.  

[DieselCat]

Because, until it's finalized, it may or may not make its way into the final update.

Communicating game design and balancing thought process is always welcome though

 

Why must the said intentions of Dev(s) be withheld from a community ?.... It's common sense that a final version will not be presented to the public, when there may be revisions made to it.

 

If they are currently involved in developing an update, why not let the community know ?... By making an announcement like that, It signals  that various things are being addressed, even if it's in a general way.

 

I understand that when an announcement of this kind is made, people will start with a million questions about what is going on,  which the Dev(s) may feel they don't have the time to respond to for reasons due to time constraints because of personal staffing that have been stated many time already...understandable.

 

I give C05 a lot of credit, he has taken the time to, at the very least,  try and address the community on a consistent basis...but it seems since the new transition his time seems to be more constrained.

 

Keeping lines of communication open at all time is very important to anything, in the case of Hawken, at a time if ongoing uncertainty, this would seem imperative to help keep the leaky boat from sinking further.

 

There shouldn't be a need for the community to have to drag out information...This stuff isn't top secret classified info (or is it ?), let your audience know (good or bad, right or wrong) what's on your minds...even if it's a few sentences in general terms on a consistent basis.  Don't be afraid to Stand Up and take the blame for one's mistakes...and also the credit and praise for your success'...you'll gain much more respect and loyalty from your gaming community knowing that you're working hard to get this right. 

 

I think that would go a long way in helping many issues, such as... retaining newer players that would ordinarily leave out of frustration...help to keep the veteran population a bit calmer and less frustrated...and just being able to create a better level of trust and confidence between the Dev(s) and their player community.

 

The sound of silence has been deafening for far too long over the years...keeping the lines of communication open will help things go much farther with a greater level of success than keeping quiet.  

[DingdongJR]

 

There shouldn't be a need for the community to have to drag out information...This stuff isn't top secret classified info (or is it ?), let your audience know (good or bad, right or wrong) what's on your minds...even if it's a few sentences in general terms on a consistent basis.  Don't be afraid to Stand Up and take the blame for one's mistakes...and also the credit and praise for your success'...you'll gain much more respect and loyalty from your gaming community knowing that you're working hard to get this right. 

 

 

This. 

[CZeroFive]

 

It means the console version/PC soft launch thingy might happen again.

 

We were the most open with communication during the PC soft launch, and there's no more platforms to launch Hawken on right now, so there's no more tricks there. No one is trying to intentionally mislead you or this community from getting information on what we are doing.

 

If something is not finalized we're not going to share it. Making empty promises will hurt us even more, especially if a lot of things behind-the-scenes are in flux like they are right now. We learned from that a long time ago.

 

There's been no effort to share on the front of game balance because nothing has been finalized. It takes time to go through data and feedback, and not only that but it's not our main focus.

 

Our main focus right now is the 'glaring beast' of an issue that some veteran players cannot play the game, while the game hemorrhages new players, and that all efforts thus far to correct that issue thus far have arguably not been done soon enough.

 

I have seen a few folks state we don't do enough 'getting the word out' - that isn't the issue. If we get the word out now, we'll lose more than we gain.

We do not want to advertise the game while the game is in this state. There will be a much bigger impact to do it at a later time when both of those issues have been solved.

 

The lack of communication is not an attack on any of the community. It's just what we are ready to share at this time.

[claisolais]

We were the most open with communication during the PC soft launch, and there's no more platforms to launch Hawken on right now, so there's no more tricks there. No one is trying to intentionally mislead you or this community from getting information on what we are doing.

 

If something is not finalized we're not going to share it. Making empty promises will hurt us even more, especially if a lot of things behind-the-scenes are in flux like they are right now. We learned from that a long time ago.

 

There's been no effort to share on the front of game balance because nothing has been finalized. It takes time to go through data and feedback, and not only that but it's not our main focus.

 

Our main focus right now is the 'glaring beast' of an issue that some veteran players cannot play the game, while the game hemorrhages new players, and that all efforts thus far to correct that issue thus far have arguably not been done soon enough.

 

I have seen a few folks state we don't do enough 'getting the word out' - that isn't the issue. If we get the word out now, we'll lose more than we gain.

We do not want to advertise the game while the game is in this state. There will be a much bigger impact to do it at a later time when both of those issues have been solved.

 

The lack of communication is not an attack on any of the community. It's just what we are ready to share at this time.

I never considered it as any form of "attack", I personally would say it's close to ignoring our words.--I know it's NOT accurate, but I've heard play testers were against this "PC soft launch", and the result is pretty bad from my perspective.

To be honest, I have never saw anything from you guys that is very tricky or misleading, promise were not specific--which means they were merely your visions, I dont blame that. But the result speaks. Bugs are mostly short-term issue, I dont mind having them now (Including MM issue) ; But in long-term, all the details are reflecting something wrong from deep inside, something like attitude, and that hurts the hope I have. (Many of the problem were addressed very early yet still launched on PC build. Some of the minor issue should be VERY EASY to fix, like the mech pictures for every new mechs and G2s.)

Edited by claisolais, 10 August 2017 - 03:44 AM.

[TangledMantis]

The top priority, the 'glaring beast', is a game so unplayable that it's shedding players, new and old, and this beast is so massive that it's going on 3+ months to fix?

if the people in development didn't expect this disaster given the hack job of an update they thought would be a good idea to push out, I could only imagine what we'll see released as a 'solution'.

That or they did full well khow terrible it was, in which case... I don't even..

Being told things are in flux behind the scenes makes me think there isn't much development going on at all.

[6ixxer]

'so unplayable'?

If we can't define our challenges well, how do we expect devs to fix them properly?

Devs need to collect data over a period and analyse it and test changes internally and predict how that would change the results in production.

Tldr: yes it certainly takes 3+ months to fix.

[TangledMantis]

Devs need to collect data over a period and analyse it and test changes internally and predict how that would change the results in production.

 

Ah, like they did in the last update?

[6ixxer]

The last one was way bigger. I suspect they also weren't given as much time as they needed.

 

You do the best you can with what you have.

[Luaq]

Something I just don't understand is that no matter how much hawken is in a critical state (with not enough Staff, not enough testers...) the 'fleet team" (devs) of this prototype "getting old as f... " new project (hawken) prefers to stubbornly repair it by themselves at the risk of letting the ship (hawken) sink because asking other country surrounding navy soldiers (players) is *not an option?* because at first it was a classified project but after it's big fail someone took the remainings of the crash (reloaded) and for no reason think that they still need to be secretive about it because they are trying to revamp the old project and sell it as a new and polished game and think it will sell like triple a games?

Spoiler

(Even though masses of "civils" saw the project fail so nothing is a secret anymore. heck no one is looking! They could build the fuzzy bunnyng mega ship (new hawken with all open source information so that anyone can mod the game aka a devkit) in front of fisherman and they would just watch and talk about it without understanding anything anyways and they wouldn't care since it's just some old failed ship wreck lying dead there in the horizon's landscape (hawken among other games) but the soldiers would instinctively, in open sky with open arms help out rebuild the ship and asking help for volonteers around the world to help repairing it but can't because reloaded wants to keep it for themselves and by the book even though they are struggling as fuzzy bunny to take care of that ship's repairs...

And letting it all out:

Spoiler

FFS, THIS GAME IS STILL AN OPEN BETA RIGHT?

SO WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR TO DO TESTS ON US?


GIVING US SPECIFIC TASKS?



WE ARE THE fuzzy bunnyNG NUMBERS! USE US INSTEAD OF WASTING SO MUCH TIME NOT COLLECTING HUNDREDS OF PLAYER'S EXPERIENCE INFORMATION, GAMEPLAY & CONCEPT TO GET FEEDBACK AND CLEAR QUESTIONS/PROBLEMS 148705481 TIMES FASTER! FACE IT, ITS fuzzy bunnyNG DEPRESSING FOR US TO SEE YOU ALL TRYING BUT LOSING... MUST BE AS MUCH FOR YOU GUYS/GIRLS. HELP YOURSELVES BY ASKING US USE OUR DAMNED AVAILABLE READY TO ACT HANDS OF VOLONTEERS. BUT PLEASE DON'T MAKE US SIGN SOME fuzzy bunny NDA CONTRACT WE DON'T HAVE TIME FOR FORMALITIES AND BROKEN PROMESSES. HOW LONG WILL YOU CONTINUE WORKING ON A PROJECT DYING FASTER THAN YOU ARE ABLE TO REVIVE IT? YOU MUST ACT NOW AND GATHER HUGE AMOUNT OF HELP BEFORE EVERYONE, THE CREW, THE SHIP ARCHITECTS, THE SOLDIERS LEAVES THE GODDAMN OPERATION SITE IN DESPAIR AND SEE IT SINK BEFORE THEIR EYES OR WALKING AWAY FROM IT SAYING "WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH MAN BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO PAY ANYONE TO DO IT AND REFUSED TO LET STRANGERS HELP US"... IT IS IT'S CURRENT STATE,.. IN IT'S APPEARING DECREASING STATE...I CAN'T PICTURE A POSSIBLE FUTURE WHERE THE GAME CONTINUED TO LIVE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR WITH ABOUT 50 PLAYERS ONLINE (and decreasing over the weeks)  YOU MUST MOVE THE fuzzy bunny UP AND GATHER HELP BECAUSE YOU MUST ADMIT TO YOURSELVES THAT YOU ARE ACTUALLY OVERBURDENED/OVERWHELMED AND NEED ANY POSSIBLE WAY TO GATHER PEOPLE AND BLOCK THE FLOODING SALT WATER LEAKING IN AND SINKING THE SHIP. THE TASK IS TOO BIG FOR THE TEAM. YOUR ENTHUSIASM (if there is any) TO COMPLETE THIS TASK AS ONE TEAM WILL FADE AWAY BEFORE THE GAME GETS AS GOOD AS WHEN IT WAS IN IT'S PRIME.



WHO GIVES A fuzzy bunny ABOUT NDA'S? SERIOUSLY, WAKE UP, SADLY NO ONE ELSE BUT US CARES ABOUT THIS GAME. THERE'S NOTHING TO HIDE FROM THE PUBLIC. NO SECRETS. THIS GAME IS NOT A TRIPLE A GAME THAT IT'S SUCCESS RELIES SO MUCH ON THE COMPETITION AND SUPRISE EFFECT. IT'S A GAME OF IT'S OWN. THE ONLY WAY TO GET THE fuzzy bunny OUT OF THIS fuzzy bunny HOLE IS TO CLEAR THE fuzzy bunnyNG JUNK PIECES KEEPING THE SHIP FROM WORKING STRAIGHT. THAT SOFT "DUCTAPE" YOU PUT ON THAT LEAK WON'T STAND MUCH LONGER! THIS GAME IS A FRIKKING BETAAAAAAAAA. BETA GAME'S ARE MEANT TO CREATE TEST RELEASES BUILDS/UPDATES CONSTANTLY SO IT CAN ACTUALLY STABILISE INTO SOMETHING THAT EVOLVED THROUGH TRYING TO ADAPT TO ITS ENVIRONMENT AND ECOSYSTEM (PLAYERS)( who would actually spend so much money on this said ship IF IT WAS REASONABLE TO DO SO). YOU SADLY DON'T HAVE THE EMPLOYEE PLATOON THIS GAME WOULD NEED SO USE GODDAMN CIVILS AND FISHERMAN, HECK EVEN FARMERS TO MAKE IT OUT ALIVE! IF YOU HAVEN'T NOTICED, YOU fuzzy bunnyNG NEED US SO DON'T FEAR OTHER ARMIES WILL WATCH AND STEAL FROM US (THIS GAME) WE ARE CONSIDERED DEAD ANYWAYS BECAUSE THE PUBLIC HAVE EVERY REASON TO BELIEVE SO. NOW'S THE TIME TO CALL FOR BACKUP BECAUSE EVEN WITH THE SLIGHTIEST CHANCE THAT YOU WOULD MAKE IT THROUGH ALONE, IT WOULD HAVE TAKEN SO MUCH TIME THAT THE SHIP WILL BE "DÉSUET" BECAUSE OTHER ARMIES PROTOTYPES WOULD HAVE BEEN DEVELOPPED AND THE MILITARY PROTOTYPES FANATICS (US PLAYERS) OF OLD PROTOTYPES END UP LIKING OTHER PROTOTYPES AND FORGET ABOUT THE OLDEST EXCEPT HAVING A LITTLE NOSTALGIA SENTIMENT.


LASTLY, WHY WORK ON SOMETHING THAT IS SO fuzzy bunnyED FOR YEAAAARS WHEN YOU COULD HAVE, AS THE OWNERS THAT YOU ARE NOW, STARTED FROM SCRATCH KEEPING THE SAME IDEA AND BLUEPRINTS BUT MAKE A NEW AND MORE STABLE ARCHITECTURE WITHOUT CHANGING IT'S FUNCTION AND PURPOUSE? I MEAN... RANDOM DUDES CREATED THIS GAME AT FIRST AND IT WAS AWESOME. YOU'RE TELLING ME RELOADED CAN'T CREATE ONE AS GOOD? IS THAT WHY THEY ARE SO DESPERATE IN REPAIRING SOMETHING THEY BARELY CAN DO BY THEMSELVES? IT THIS NEVER ENDING REPAIR ALSO THE ASSURED PROFITS AND SALARIES OF THE COMPANY? DELIBERATELY TAKING IT'S TIME BECAUSE AFTER REPAIRING IT RELOADED WOULDN'T HAVE TO WORK ON IT ANYMORE? I'M GOING NUTS. IT'S WHAT THIS WHOLE MESS MAKE ME THINKS OF. THEY COULD HAVE RELEASED HAWKEN 2 WITHOUT SUCH A POOR CODING AND EVERY GODDAMN BAD ARCHITECTURE THE PREVIOUS DEVS LEFT THE PROJECT WITH, A HAWKEN, ALMOST THE SAME, THAT WOULD ACTUALLY WORK BECAUSE IT'S BUILD ON SOLID FOUNDATIONS? IT BEEN YEARS. IT THIS GAME SOOOO fuzzy bunnyED UP AT A POINT THAT REPAIRING IT BREAKS IT? THEN STOP WASTING TIME AND MAKE A NEW ONE. YOU KNOW THE GAME THROUGH AND THROUGH. YOU COULD START FROM SCRATCH AND YOU'D SAVE YOURSELVES SOME GODDAMN TIME AND HAPPY FEELINGS BECAUSE YOU'D ACTUALLY BE WORKING ON A PROJECT THAT WORKS AND THAT DOESN'T BREAK IN YOUR HANDS WHEN YOU JUST TRY TO DUST IT OFF!!!

FFS


JUST GIVE US A DEV KIT, WE'LL HAVE FUN WITH THE GAME WHILE YOU MAKE HAWKEN 2 OKAY? BESIDES, I THINK NO ONE HERE, NOT EVEN YOU WANT TO BREAK IT FURTHER. SO JUST STOP, GIVE US THE BUILD YOUR WORKING ON AND MAKE A NEW ONE. UNLESS THAT'S NOT RELOADED'S JAZZ? YOU KNOW MAKING GAMES INSTEAD OF LEARNING HOW TO FIX A DEAD GAME? SORRY FOR BEING THIS MAD BUT.... NOT SORRY BECAUSE IT'S BEEN INSULTING AS A PLAYER, HOW MATTERS WERE ADRESSED AND HOW USELESS OUR EFFORTS IN TELLING YOU WHATS WRONG IN THE GAME AND COLLECTED INFO ON BUGS AND JUST SEE THAT NOTHING MUCH HAVE CHANGED, JUST ENOUGH TO SAY YOU DID SOME THINGS WITH THE MANPOWER YOU HAD. BUT fuzzy bunny THAT EXCUSE. YOU NEED MORE MAN AND YOU'RE WASTING TIME, BOTH OUR TIME. I don't even know why I'm saying all this. Give us a devkit and don't break it further. make a new one before it's too late. Heck, by the time your brand new HAWK2N is released, we'll have modded hawken to our own pleasure and stop whinning for you to repair it because we'd be the ones busy messing with it. And you know what? We're such a great community we'd even give you back our work so you could add it to HAWK2N. WIN WIN. We make the changes we want for the original hawken and make some community maps and mechs while you work on a real project ok? If you can make a hawken 2 game that is. We'll be happy to buy it. 


Cheers
(sadly, giving hawken to the community would be the best gift reloaded could do but I fear it's not the plan. )


BTW WE ALSO SUCK AS MUCH AS THEM FOR NOT MAKING HAWKEN 3(2020) I KNOW! WHAT IM SAYING IS TOTAL BS (...you know... if someone wants to start a project like the old devs did by themselves...) (Still curious how reloaded seems to never had created a game from scratch...) (Sadly I'm not rich enough to buy the fuzzy bunnyng project and name my company "reviewed" and buy broken games...)

Edited by Luaq, 10 August 2017 - 12:26 AM.

[DieselCat]

Not sure I understand what you just said...but I think I agree.

[Luaq]

Fictional scenario of hawken's reality?


I don't know. I'm tired.

[6ixxer]

They wont allow the community to help until they can control it (they cant herd cats and fix Howken) and they already have enough feedback right now to keep them busy until 2018.

2018 will be an exciting year for Howken.
Are you excited?
You should be excited.

[Luaq]

They wont allow the community to help until they can control it (they cant herd cats and fix Howken) and they already have enough feedback right now to keep them busy until 2018.

2018 will be an exciting year for Howken.
Are you excited?
You should be excited.

Lol... wasn't that what they said for 2017? oh and 2016 also right?


And yeah, that's precisely what I fear, they might never get it to work, I mean, it's just a possibility, We're either fuzzy bunnyed. If they make it work, they'll eventually skip to another project and the game won't have support of any kind. Or they'll never make it, leave us with a broken game AND no tools to actually repair mod it for fun ourselves. In any case, at this point, I don't see how we'll have the hawken we've been waiting like naive retards for. Then after this discussion is closed, some kind of update will come out and rinse and repeat, other problems appear as we thought things would be repaired and despair will come back. I'm really starting to think that it's not in reloaded's profit plan to make it work perfectly. Seriously lol, after the game is up and running, they don't have to repair it anymore. What will they do? Create stuff? Why do I have the impression they can only recycle stuff and not create any? Heck, I just hope I'm wrong, but I fear we're all fuzzy bunnyng ignorants waiting for something to happen that will never happen. Even worse would be that something happens and we all believe that it's what we were waiting for because it almost looks like what we were expecting and then slowly realised we were fools.

Edited by Luaq, 10 August 2017 - 12:38 AM.

[6ixxer]

Lol... wasn't that what they said for 2017? oh and 2016 also right?

Shhhh you.
2019 is going to be a great year for howken.
I'm excited.

Edited by 6ixxer, 10 August 2017 - 02:45 AM.

[lafinjokinnumnut]

hope you make the frickin thing playable again..o wait you dont do that anymore here..

[claisolais]

Fictional scenario of hawken's reality?


I don't know. I'm tired.

They keep it secret so the result might be a surprise for everyone, and ppl starting come back. (At least it is the plan)

The console version was a surprise for me.

Spoiler

SURPRISE! We've made it even worse!

But seriously, I do not want see surprises from them, I've seen enough.

Spoiler

A horrible example: A murderer is planning a surprise, how's that sound? The point is "WHO" is making those surprises, and again, look what they've done already.

[ICERAY2000]

UPDATE IDEAS:

 

 

dump Highways.

[Silverfire]

I see it this way

 

devs can take the time to talk to us

 

or devs can take the time to work on the game

 

the team is small enough that they can't do both without taking a serious hit on productivity or community relations.

[DieselCat]

I know...it must be like trying to walk and chew gum at the same time....very unrealistic 

[StubbornPuppet]

As much posting as some of us do here... we must never actually get any work of our own done.  We should all be fired.

[talon70]

 

the team is small enough that they can't do both without taking a serious hit on productivity or community relations.

I believe it would be easy to take 10 minutes once a week/month  to say a few words. They have intentionally  chosen to say nothing. Its all part of that great business plan at work

[CZeroFive]

I believe it would be easy to take 10 minutes once a week/month  to say a few words. They have intentionally  chosen to say nothing. Its all part of that great business plan at work

 

Just because you don't like the information we are providing doesn't mean we aren't communicating. That is still us communicating.

[Draco3]

C0 thanks for responding.  I have noticed of late you have been responding to some of the topics on the forum.  Given that you are able to respond are you able to (even in brief) provide some form of Development Update communication so that it doesn't feel like the Great Silence 1 and the Great Silence 2 again?

[Luaq]

Just because you don't like the information we are providing doesn't mean we aren't communicating. That is still us communicating.

Nothing against you CZ but there is a lack of communication and not just that...

 

They keep it secret so the result might be a surprise for everyone, and ppl starting come back. (At least it is the plan)

The console version was a surprise for me.

Spoiler

SURPRISE! We've made it even worse!

But seriously, I do not want see surprises from them, I've seen enough.

Spoiler

A horrible example: A murderer is planning a surprise, how's that sound? The point is "WHO" is making those surprises, and again, look what they've done already.

In hawken's state? Secrets aren't necessary anymore and it's the same for nda's. No surprises to be had no need for protection against any, no one else care's about the game. I'm sorry but the NDA is counter productive. The term beta has changed so much. Used to have players participate and reporting bugs and used to have developer's video reports and live QA. Enough with the argument that hawken doesn't have enough. They are choosing not to have more. Remember when we learned that the game was transferred to reloaded? Remember the hype when we saw dev videos? There was a small hype back on hawken and it's popularity started to flourish again. Why? Because we had dev commenting videos, work in progress stuff, Q&A, AKA COMMUNICATION. They don't have time anymore? What's the difference between then and now? It's impossible that there is more work than before, yet they took the time to do all that. So how come they can't/won't anymore? By choice? Less employees?

Seriously, everything is a choice. They choose not to hire more. They choose not to say anything (only when they finalize it, which means they don't "finalize" much)...

Like I said, If they don't act now, they'd have worked uselessly if it's just too late and it's getting pretty goddamn late. I don't even know how come it's still not too late. The lack of communication is some kind of a "too late meter" making time go faster to reach it's limit or should I say less time for patience to wait because we don't get much except "yeah yeah I'm coming, I'm coming I tell you" "Sorry I know I'm late I'm coming don't worry" "Won't take long" "Still on my way" "Slowly but surely hahaha" "yes I'm coming" 

We are like the dumb dude or dumb girl waiting for it's date that is totally just trolling us (or taking us for granted). That's how it feels. And that said date doesn't take the time to admit it's bad planning and say "ok i'm not gonna make it, can we reschedule? next week same time promess?"  -what happenned? "sorry I can't tell" ....really? I'm the one who's actually sorry I don't have time for your BS. And then Hawken loses more and more players with time like that. The ones that are still here waiting like me, everyone here in the forums. we're just goddamn fools with way too much faith "that"ll work" and "patience is key" and hawken is just that lucky guy/girl that his date is waaaaaaaaay to much indulgent. Hawken dev's are lucky af to be able to still work in this. I mean, Lucky for them there hasn't been any solid mech games out yet. I hope they actually make it before another mech game comes out. But at this point it's not even the question if another mech game will make the difference, it's just a matter of time (not a lot) that people are still waiting, (to a stubborn/fanatic/autism level of not letting go because we were promissed it would work and we naively wait.

[TangledMantis]

Maybe the problem is that Reloaded isnt doing the work. They are just sitting in offices on the phone with outsourced coders located in India who are trying to figure out how the game works and how to fix it. Reloaded cant give us any meaningful updates on the fixes because they're waiting on the outsourced firm to give them progress reports, which then of course turn out to be unhelpful as the requests for changes keep getting misinterpreted. 

 

That actually would explain a lot. When the soft launch happened, it was so strange to me that anyone who actually played the game would think some of the changes made could serve as any positive improvement in the game. 

 

Reminds me of working with our cloud exchange host. All foreign support staff (for an american product) and requested changes or service tweaks have to be made 3-4 times because we ask for one thing and instead we get another.

[6ixxer]

Just because you don't like the information we are providing doesn't mean we aren't communicating. That is still us communicating.

Well guys, you got your weekly 10min.
30 sec typing, and the other 9.5 min reading textwalls from all those who think it will mean the devs will find time to respond based on their wordcount.

[CZeroFive]

C0 thanks for responding.  I have noticed of late you have been responding to some of the topics on the forum.  Given that you are able to respond are you able to (even in brief) provide some form of Development Update communication so that it doesn't feel like the Great Silence 1 and the Great Silence 2 again?

 

We're focusing efforts on completing the next game update.

 

The contents of said update are not finalized and thus we cannot share the contents of said game update yet. Out of all the things we had planned, I'd say only a handful of those actually were feasible given the timeframe and manpower we have. If we had shared any info early about what we had planned, everyone would have been sorely disappointed when said content was not done in time.

[claisolais]

We're focusing efforts on completing the next game update.

 

The contents of said update are not finalized and thus we cannot share the contents of said game update yet. Out of all the things we had planned, I'd say only a handful of those actually were feasible given the timeframe and manpower we have. If we had shared any info early about what we had planned, everyone would have been sorely disappointed when said content was not done in time.

Okay, it is not finalized, understood, and it's okay for not having specific information.

How about directions? I mean, it doesnt have to be one specific direction, but few possible direction that you're currently trying or considering? 

 

You guys are giving nothing really, and we might expect it to be NOT GOOD, considering this already happened twice already--and for that, there should be no more SUPER HYPE left. We would consider what is possible from you guys, and generate an expectation of our own--it is only possible based on COMMUNICATIONS. 

 

Yes we've been communicating in this thread, but it's more like off-topic chatting. NOTHING here will have an impact. We know nothing of yours, therefore we can only give random ideas, which is probably useless on whatever you're doing/thinking right now, even eventually got applied, I doubt you'd do it in the way we wanted it to be, cos thing might have been changed, or done wrongly due to POOR COMMUNICATIONS.