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[h0B0]

Blark, on December 26 2012 - 07:50 PM, said:

h0B0, on December 26 2012 - 06:09 PM, said:

Not to brag anything, but i think i am the one who has tested the optimizations and posted the most results.

If you would like anything tested, or require knowledge just ask, it will be my pleasure to provide.

Ideally I would love to have all the data

But right now (since I'm going to spec in movement anyway) I only wonder about two skills:

Movement (t2) "Increase forward movement speed": any info on the accuracy of the value (it feels right after some testing)
Defense (t1) "Decrease damage from Weapons": the 0.16% seem a little low, wonder if you have any data on this one_

Thanks in advance

Decrease damage works as mentioned.... sadly.

Movement hasnt been fully tested yet.
I can however point you to this.

https://docs.google....lrQjM5Tmc#gid=0

P.S. movespeed has been added to my to do list for tomorow along with counter measures and MG turret dps.

[whitelamp]

As a Brawler, what kind of damage reduction benefits am I seeing if I have nearly all of my points in the defense tree except for the radar one (except 3 points in max accel in movement and 1 in fire rate in offensive), plus the armor internal_

[h0B0]

whitelamp, on December 30 2012 - 12:06 PM, said:

As a Brawler, what kind of damage reduction benefits am I seeing if I have nearly all of my points in the defense tree except for the radar one (except 3 points in max accel in movement and 1 in fire rate in offensive), plus the armor internal_

46.75 HP.

[AsianJoyKiller]

h0B0, on December 30 2012 - 12:13 PM, said:

whitelamp, on December 30 2012 - 12:06 PM, said:

As a Brawler, what kind of damage reduction benefits am I seeing if I have nearly all of my points in the defense tree except for the radar one (except 3 points in max accel in movement and 1 in fire rate in offensive), plus the armor internal_

46.75 HP.

I'd just like to point out the extra armor internal is completely worthless, and actually detrimental to your health.

[Zeshi]

AsianJoyKiller, on December 30 2012 - 01:54 PM, said:

h0B0, on December 30 2012 - 12:13 PM, said:

whitelamp, on December 30 2012 - 12:06 PM, said:

As a Brawler, what kind of damage reduction benefits am I seeing if I have nearly all of my points in the defense tree except for the radar one (except 3 points in max accel in movement and 1 in fire rate in offensive), plus the armor internal_

46.75 HP.

I'd just like to point out the extra armor internal is completely worthless, and actually detrimental to your health.

the +5% armor internal_ how so_

[h0B0]

AsianJoyKiller, on December 30 2012 - 01:54 PM, said:

h0B0, on December 30 2012 - 12:13 PM, said:

whitelamp, on December 30 2012 - 12:06 PM, said:

As a Brawler, what kind of damage reduction benefits am I seeing if I have nearly all of my points in the defense tree except for the radar one (except 3 points in max accel in movement and 1 in fire rate in offensive), plus the armor internal_

46.75 HP.

I'd just like to point out the extra armor internal is completely worthless, and actually detrimental to your health.

I make that wrong assumption at first because i misunderstood it.

Armor internal isnt useless but it will ruin your mobility, especially on a c-class with no points in mobility. It will basically cancel out the bonus recieved by both the mobility and defensive tree optimizations combined.
Heat resistant armor is useless i agree. Explosives can be dodged, bullets can't.
Reinforced armor, does not increase the damage received but it does however reduce the damage dealt.

Unless you have some kind of strat and team backing you up you are better off with the extra firepower or mobility.

[AsianJoyKiller]

EDIT: I'm wrong.
Yep.
That's right.
AsianJoyKiller is wrong.

Edited by AsianJoyKiller, December 30 2012 - 02:10 PM.

[h0B0]

AsianJoyKiller, on December 30 2012 - 02:08 PM, said:

Zeshi, on December 30 2012 - 02:01 PM, said:

AsianJoyKiller, on December 30 2012 - 01:54 PM, said:

h0B0, on December 30 2012 - 12:13 PM, said:

whitelamp, on December 30 2012 - 12:06 PM, said:

As a Brawler, what kind of damage reduction benefits am I seeing if I have nearly all of my points in the defense tree except for the radar one (except 3 points in max accel in movement and 1 in fire rate in offensive), plus the armor internal_

46.75 HP.

I'd just like to point out the extra armor internal is completely worthless, and actually detrimental to your health.

the +5% armor internal_ how so_

Reinforced Armor makes you take something like 3% extra damage from all sources, and overall makes you a softer target. You get a tiny amount of health that in no way makes up for making every bullet and splash of explosive just a tiny bit more dangerous.

You'd be better off taking the normal Armor internal that makes you take 3% less damage from all sources and just slows you down about 1.5m/sec.

I made that wrong assumption once, had to edit the OP to reflect the new knowledge i gained by rereading the bonus/malus and comparing it with other internals.

YOU ARE WRONG SCRUB L2READ!!!! ;p

Edit: i would like to point out the fact that he is refering to damage mitigation, and not armor. Those are 2 different things that can easily be mixed up by both newcomers and veterans alike.

Edited by h0B0, December 30 2012 - 02:12 PM.

[AsianJoyKiller]

h0B0, on December 30 2012 - 02:11 PM, said:

I made that wrong assumption once, had to edit the OP to reflect the new knowledge i gained by rereading the bonus/malus and comparing it with other internals.

YOU ARE WRONG SCRUB L2READ!!!! ;p

Check my edit. :3

[h0B0]

AsianJoyKiller, on December 30 2012 - 02:12 PM, said:

h0B0, on December 30 2012 - 02:11 PM, said:

I made that wrong assumption once, had to edit the OP to reflect the new knowledge i gained by rereading the bonus/malus and comparing it with other internals.

YOU ARE WRONG SCRUB L2READ!!!! ;p

Check my edit. :3

You edit too fast.... sadface.

[AsianJoyKiller]

h0B0, on December 30 2012 - 02:13 PM, said:

AsianJoyKiller, on December 30 2012 - 02:12 PM, said:

h0B0, on December 30 2012 - 02:11 PM, said:

I made that wrong assumption once, had to edit the OP to reflect the new knowledge i gained by rereading the bonus/malus and comparing it with other internals.

YOU ARE WRONG SCRUB L2READ!!!! ;p

Check my edit. :3

You edit too fast.... sadface.

My post count here still has yet to rival my total post count on the GA forums, even before I got banned and started a new account.
I am a master ninja editor.

[h0B0]

I wish i had more room in my sig, so i could add : "AsianJoyKiller:Yep. That's right. AsianJoyKiller is wrong."

[Incapacity]

So from what I've read, the "+1.5 sec fire rate" talent is broken. That's really the only reason I go down Offensive.. sigh. I was reading it as a faster way to use the Sabot Rifle or Hellfire Missiles, but then I figure those weapons would be way too powerful given that they cool down in less than 4 seconds.

[Ollie]

Y'know, I love this game and all, but these revelations (particularly the spreadsheet) are really giving me a case of the sour grapes.  When the optimizations don't even match their intended tool tip...can't help feeling like this was rushed. :/  I know, I know, "open beta" -- but I've gone through "open betas" of f2p before (looking at you, T:A) where ish simply doesn't get fixed.  Am I expecting too much_

[AsianJoyKiller]

Ollie, on December 30 2012 - 07:10 PM, said:

Y'know, I love this game and all, but these revelations (particularly the spreadsheet) are really giving me a case of the sour grapes.  When the optimizations don't even match their intended tool tip...can't help feeling like this was rushed. :/  I know, I know, "open beta" -- but I've gone through "open betas" of f2p before (looking at you, T:A) where ish simply doesn't get fixed.  Am I expecting too much_

Considering that the reason the Op trees are so out of whack is the fact that they wanted to get rid of the vertical progression gap while they worked on a true horizontal progression system, I don't think you need to worry.
Basically the current state of the Op trees is in itself an indication they're working on improving them.

[Ollie]

AsianJoyKiller, on December 30 2012 - 07:27 PM, said:

Basically the current state of the Op trees is in itself an indication they're working on improving them.

Are you really sure that conclusion actually follows the evidence_  I'm not.  There's a lot of things we seem to be assuming will improve based on speculation or old desires expressed by the dev team.  I mean, I've seen that you played Global Agenda, right_

I used to be worried about the f2p/p2w thing, but I really think the forced rush of "agile" (think the software dev method) game development is severely hampering creativity and polish across the industry.  The Diablo 3 release was a lot like this as well.

Ah well, at least we have Steam Sales to keep up busy until this game winds up "fixed."  Call me when it's over, pubstomping is getting old.

[AsianJoyKiller]

Ollie, on December 31 2012 - 06:51 AM, said:

AsianJoyKiller, on December 30 2012 - 07:27 PM, said:

Basically the current state of the Op trees is in itself an indication they're working on improving them.

Are you really sure that conclusion actually follows the evidence_  I'm not.  There's a lot of things we seem to be assuming will improve based on speculation or old desires expressed by the dev team.  I mean, I've seen that you played Global Agenda, right_

I used to be worried about the f2p/p2w thing, but I really think the forced rush of "agile" (think the software dev method) game development is severely hampering creativity and polish across the industry.  The Diablo 3 release was a lot like this as well.

Ah well, at least we have Steam Sales to keep up busy until this game winds up "fixed."  Call me when it's over, pubstomping is getting old.

Well you know, there's also the part where they've stated they're reworking the trees multiple times...
Do a little research on the forums dude. The information isn't some secret communique that only a select few know about. It's available for everyone.

[Necodreus]

AsianJoyKiller, on December 31 2012 - 11:44 AM, said:

Ollie, on December 31 2012 - 06:51 AM, said:

AsianJoyKiller, on December 30 2012 - 07:27 PM, said:

Basically the current state of the Op trees is in itself an indication they're working on improving them.

Are you really sure that conclusion actually follows the evidence_  I'm not.  There's a lot of things we seem to be assuming will improve based on speculation or old desires expressed by the dev team.  I mean, I've seen that you played Global Agenda, right_

I used to be worried about the f2p/p2w thing, but I really think the forced rush of "agile" (think the software dev method) game development is severely hampering creativity and polish across the industry.  The Diablo 3 release was a lot like this as well.

Ah well, at least we have Steam Sales to keep up busy until this game winds up "fixed."  Call me when it's over, pubstomping is getting old.

Well you know, there's also the part where they've stated they're reworking the trees multiple times...
Do a little research on the forums dude. The information isn't some secret communique that only a select few know about. It's available for everyone.

Lol, for some reason when I read this I pictured morpheous saying,  "conspiracies are all around you, you think that's truth you hear, question everything." I know he never said anything like that but I just pictured him talking to neo in the dojo training sim haha.

[Ollie]

AsianJoyKiller, on December 31 2012 - 11:44 AM, said:

Well you know, there's also the part where they've stated they're reworking the trees multiple times...
Do a little research on the forums dude. The information isn't some secret communique that only a select few know about. It's available for everyone.

You know, it would be just super if you wouldn't assume everyone was a dumbass 100% of the time.  It seems to be a minor character flaw of yours.

Developers often state that they are doing things, and then don't (Global Agenda), do it in such a time as to be irrelevant (Tribes) or having completely lost the interest of the base before being able to fix ish (Diablo 3).  It's endemic of a broader shift in game development and the capital funding it -- push to "beta" release which stands in for game #1 of a series.  Saying "we're fixing it" isn't much help -- since I've "done my research" I have a pretty good idea of how many of the closed betas they've been saying this for, and how this seems to be a broader pattern beyond this individual game.  This even seems to be a characteristic of modern f2p games -- fuzzy bunny, Dungeon Fighter and the other Korean p2ws follow the same "beta" release schedule to drag out new content.

Simmer down.

[AsianJoyKiller]

Ollie, on December 31 2012 - 05:55 PM, said:

AsianJoyKiller, on December 31 2012 - 11:44 AM, said:

Well you know, there's also the part where they've stated they're reworking the trees multiple times...
Do a little research on the forums dude. The information isn't some secret communique that only a select few know about. It's available for everyone.

You know, it would be just super if you wouldn't assume everyone was a dumbass 100% of the time.  It seems to be a minor character flaw of yours.

I don't.
I was just stressing the fact that the information is readily available with a little research.

Apparently you somehow have managed to take that as a personal insult to your intelligence.

That's not my intention and I suggest you take a deep breath and read what I said again without projecting emotions and making assumptions.