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[Razataz]

Skitzo1d, on August 18 2014 - 02:52 PM, said:

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Oh please, we can fuzzy bunny and moan all we want. A lot of us put a lot of time and money into the game and wanting a response from the devs is totally reasonable.

[Skitzo1d]

Razataz, on August 18 2014 - 03:25 PM, said:

Skitzo1d, on August 18 2014 - 02:52 PM, said:

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Oh please, we can fuzzy bunny and moan all we want. A lot of us put a lot of time and money into the game and wanting a response from the devs is totally reasonable.

If you bothered to read what i wrote then you wud know i already said yes you can want answers but but are not entitled to them. You spent money on what you already received so what does that entitle you too besides what you already got_ Besides that did someone put a gun to your head and make you pay that money which is giving you this false ennntitlement you think you deserve_

Because you might lack reading comprehension or just didnt botther to read my post because of the length ill make it simple for you

You are not entitled to anything
Going about it so far as to pry into peoples private livez is wrong
You can still play this great game you say you love but yet are contributing to the tear down of a community and possibly future community of all the hawkenite noobies that see this.
You can still play a game.

Like i said you can ask and want updates but your not entitled to them and your going about it the wrong way to begin with.

[AsianJoyKiller]

Skitzo1d, on August 18 2014 - 02:52 PM, said:

Heard someone say Something along the lines like at least the devs should log in so at least you could play yhe game_ Last i knew nothing was wrong with the game servers and the game is running just fine.

Seriously a lot of you are acting like children. By this basically you guys are saying "hey dont take my toy away nooooo mine mine mine" lol for one noone has taken anything away. You can still play a great game. You can still post your opinions here on the forums. Nothing is being taken away from you.

Now i know you all want shiny new toys cause shiny stuff is cool. But noone is taken stuff away from you. You only feel like it has because you have gotten a false sense of entitlement. Adh has given you a FREE game to play that you can still play right this second as far as im aware.

Good job. A gross generalization, an blatant insult, and completely misrepresenting what many of us had said.

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For another noone "has " to provide you with anything if they dont wish. I know everyone wants news on a game they love. I dont fault you for wanting that but the way your approaching this is sorry but its pretty stupid.

Feel free to share your advice on how to get them to respond when going through normal channels have failed.

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Flame me if you want but faulting someone for posting their beliefs on something unrelated to the game in thier private lives yes theirs not yours is really none of your business just as i posted already before.

Yeah, except no. That's not what's happening. Go back and read the thread please.

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Yes i agree it wud be nice to hear updates but i can still play the game i like so hearing no news isnt the end of the world.

Who said it was_

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Yes you can "well if he can type something on ferguson he can log in to say hey to us" but for one wud you want to talk to yourself right now_ And two maybe there is nothing news to offer or they cant say anything right now. So loggin in to say hey here is another vague answer that we cant tell you anything will that help someone who is already mad at that very response they have already given you_

We have people predicting the game is dying. That ADH has dissolved. At this point, they're going to get negativity no matter what. When, or rather "if", they do post they will get hate.

Nobody would be happy with a vague answer, but it at least can stop the worst of the speculation.

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Point blankly people in general just grow up. They dont owe anything to you. Yes it wud be nice but should not be demanded. And definatly should not worry what someone is doing in their private lives

Don't tell people to grow up if you're the one lacking reading comprehension skills, and start insulting them because you don't understand the point they've made.

[Skitzo1d]

Ajk if i was on my computer i would go back and provide the quotes for you people stating the very things i mentioned.

Like i said already yes you can ask for updates. Want them. Even cry your not getting them. But to what positive effect is this having on the community_

Yes your part since he has time to do that your basically implying well least he could at least login to say hey to us. I already said yea you can want that but not entitled to it as some of the other posters seen to be feeling.

Your constant need to pick apart quotes is ridiculous to say the least. For one vy breaking them up you a lot of times take things out of context. You and anyone that knows anything about debating knows this debating 101

Never said you cant want answers just saying chill out and all these venting frustrated anger threads is nothing but hurtful.

Not going to start another flame war with you so please just stop there. Nver disagreed with your statment that you wud like answerz but the way many posters are going about it is just wrong

[Harlotry]

Skitzo1d, on August 18 2014 - 03:44 PM, said:

Razataz, on August 18 2014 - 03:25 PM, said:

Skitzo1d, on August 18 2014 - 02:52 PM, said:

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Oh please, we can fuzzy bunny and moan all we want. A lot of us put a lot of time and money into the game and wanting a response from the devs is totally reasonable.

If you bothered to read what i wrote then you wud know i already said yes you can want answers but but are not entitled to them. You spent money on what you already received so what does that entitle you too besides what you already got_ Besides that did someone put a gun to your head and make you pay that money which is giving you this false ennntitlement you think you deserve_

Because you might lack reading comprehension or just didnt botther to read my post because of the length ill make it simple for you

You are not entitled to anything
Going about it so far as to pry into peoples private livez is wrong
You can still play this great game you say you love but yet are contributing to the tear down of a community and possibly future community of all the hawkenite noobies that see this.
You can still play a game.

Like i said you can ask and want updates but your not entitled to them and your going about it the wrong way to begin with.

It's the developers' job to create an appealing game that brings in and retains players.  They have failed to do so at this point.  They also should have the courtesy to face people who put their money and faith in their product.  While Early Access is a warning, it is also a promise.  You promise your customers to develop the game the best you can while charging them to essentially beta test your game for you.  Other developers have killed off their early access titles and the backlash has been severe. See the Steam game Towns. (http://kotaku.com/un...ught-1572931721) We have every right to see what ADH is up to to make sure that isn't happening here.  And if it is, to make it known so people don't support their next product.

It appears it is happening.  And people are going to be upset.  They rightfully should be.  You seem to misunderstand what Early Access means.

[AsianJoyKiller]

Skitzo1d, on August 18 2014 - 03:58 PM, said:

Your constant need to pick apart quotes is ridiculous to say the least. For one vy breaking them up you a lot of times take things out of context. You and anyone that knows anything about debating knows this debating 101

Why do you keep saying this_ The context is all there.

[Skitzo1d]

Because when you break it apart and seperatly reply to statements that are linked in context by reading just your quote grabs sometimes would give a different impression to a reader than if they read he original. You dont always do it ajk so dont get that wrong but yes you do do it on some it. Maybe this is your way of replying to one person as if this is a one on one convo but being a former debator i see this tactic as a way to try to sway an uninformed public by breaking context of one subject down to multple things therefor by possibly giving the audience a different impression on whats being said.

Sorry if your thinking of it as a one on one convo and are just trying to get all parts replied to and covered but seeing as its obvious theirs an audience i find it hard to believe thats your reasons.

But to ask you ajk do you think all this negativity on the forums post after post is a positive thing for the community_

[Harlotry]

Skitzo1d, on August 18 2014 - 04:11 PM, said:

But to ask you ajk do you think all this negativity on the forums post after post is a positive thing for the community_

No worse for a community than a development team abandoning an early access game they've been charging money for.

[Skitzo1d]

Harlotry, on August 18 2014 - 04:00 PM, said:

Skitzo1d, on August 18 2014 - 03:44 PM, said:

Razataz, on August 18 2014 - 03:25 PM, said:

Skitzo1d, on August 18 2014 - 02:52 PM, said:

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Oh please, we can fuzzy bunny and moan all we want. A lot of us put a lot of time and money into the game and wanting a response from the devs is totally reasonable.

If you bothered to read what i wrote then you wud know i already said yes you can want answers but but are not entitled to them. You spent money on what you already received so what does that entitle you too besides what you already got_ Besides that did someone put a gun to your head and make you pay that money which is giving you this false ennntitlement you think you deserve_

Because you might lack reading comprehension or just didnt botther to read my post because of the length ill make it simple for you

You are not entitled to anything
Going about it so far as to pry into peoples private livez is wrong
You can still play this great game you say you love but yet are contributing to the tear down of a community and possibly future community of all the hawkenite noobies that see this.
You can still play a game.

Like i said you can ask and want updates but your not entitled to them and your going about it the wrong way to begin with.

It's the developers' job to create an appealing game that brings in and retains players.  They have failed to do so at this point.  They also should have the courtesy to face people who put their money and faith in their product.  While Early Access is a warning, it is also a promise.  You promise your customers to develop the game the best you can while charging them to essentially beta test your game for you.  Other developers have killed off their early access titles and the backlash has been severe. See the Steam game Towns. (http://kotaku.com/un...ught-1572931721) We have every right to see what ADH is up to to make sure that isn't happening here.  And if it is, to make it known so people don't support their next product.

It appears it is happening.  And people are going to be upset.  They rightfully should be.  You seem to misunderstand what Early Access means.

People that have a right to be upset would be people that have spare mc laying around and never got to use it and dont get refunded for it. Everyone else that has gotten their entertainment value out of their money is bot in the same boat.

I understand you worried and not wanting a game to fail. But is forum negativity the best and constructive thing to do_

[DerMax]

Skitzo1d, on August 18 2014 - 04:18 PM, said:

But is forum negativity the best and constructive thing to do_

What do you suggest_

[Harlotry]

DerMax, on August 18 2014 - 04:21 PM, said:

Skitzo1d, on August 18 2014 - 04:18 PM, said:

But is forum negativity the best and constructive thing to do_

What do you suggest_

Obviously we should quietly bend over and take it.  If we pretend we like it, Adhesive will finish sooner.

[Skitzo1d]

Harlotry, on August 18 2014 - 04:15 PM, said:

Skitzo1d, on August 18 2014 - 04:11 PM, said:

But to ask you ajk do you think all this negativity on the forums post after post is a positive thing for the community_

No worse for a community than a development team abandoning an early access game they've been charging money for.

Has this happened_ So far ita all speculation and all this negativitt is nothing but disruptive.

Yea it wud be nice to have updates to appease people but everyone who has played this game and gotten their entertainment value out of it has done just that gotten their money worth already.

If i went to the arcade and played 300 hours worth how much wud i spend_ A butt ton. Also look at if u buy a single player game and normally 50 dollars and you play it for 30 to 50 hours average thats 1 dollar per hour entertainment value. Ask yourself how nuch entertainment value youve gotten out of hawken_ Only ones tgat have right o be upset are ones that put early money into it by hundreda ir thousands and might feel loss out of tgeir money but thats what risk you also take. Also same for mc money left unused and unrefunded

But again its alk soeculation and until it happens you should not be upset. If it hapoens i can understand the upsetness and anger over feelig cheated. Until then chill_

[Skitzo1d]

DerMax, on August 18 2014 - 04:21 PM, said:

Skitzo1d, on August 18 2014 - 04:18 PM, said:

But is forum negativity the best and constructive thing to do_

What do you suggest_

Chill_

[Harlotry]

Skitzo1d, on August 18 2014 - 04:29 PM, said:

Harlotry, on August 18 2014 - 04:15 PM, said:

Skitzo1d, on August 18 2014 - 04:11 PM, said:

But to ask you ajk do you think all this negativity on the forums post after post is a positive thing for the community_

No worse for a community than a development team abandoning an early access game they've been charging money for.

Has this happened_ So far ita all speculation and all this negativitt is nothing but disruptive.

Yea it wud be nice to have updates to appease people but everyone who has played this game and gotten their entertainment value out of it has done just that gotten their money worth already.

If i went to the arcade and played 300 hours worth how much wud i spend_ A butt ton. Also look at if u buy a single player game and normally 50 dollars and you play it for 30 to 50 hours average thats 1 dollar per hour entertainment value. Ask yourself how nuch entertainment value youve gotten out of hawken_ Only ones tgat have right o be upset are ones that put early money into it by hundreda ir thousands and might feel loss out of tgeir money but thats what risk you also take. Also same for mc money left unused and unrefunded

But again its alk soeculation and until it happens you should not be upset. If it hapoens i can understand the upsetness and anger over feelig cheated. Until then chill_

Again, you don't understand what the Early Access part means.  It means we spend money knowing the game isn't finished, and the developers promise to finish it.  It's been months since new content, and everyone at Adhesive has gone MIA, the signs of the game being abandoned.  Are we supposed to wait for a formal release saying the game is done_  That probably will never come.  So when do we consider Hawken dead_

Stop being dense.  The game is dying.  People have every right to demand answers.  You don't just kill of an Early Access title.  This wasn't a finished product.  If there was no intention to finish it, then you should've never charged, even if it was optional.

[Skitzo1d]

Harlotry, on August 18 2014 - 04:28 PM, said:

DerMax, on August 18 2014 - 04:21 PM, said:

Skitzo1d, on August 18 2014 - 04:18 PM, said:

But is forum negativity the best and constructive thing to do_

What do you suggest_

Obviously we should quietly bend over and take it.  If we pretend we like it, Adhesive will finish sooner.

Chill abd see wat happens_ Is complaining going to accomplish anything_ Until it happens and u know facts anger over the unknown is pointless as i see it. If you see it differently then well have to agree to disagree

[AsianJoyKiller]

Skitzo1d, on August 18 2014 - 04:11 PM, said:

Because when you break it apart and seperatly reply to statements that are linked in context by reading just your quote grabs sometimes would give a different impression to a reader than if they read he original. You dont always do it ajk so dont get that wrong but yes you do do it on some it. Maybe this is your way of replying to one person as if this is a one on one convo but being a former debator i see this tactic as a way to try to sway an uninformed public by breaking context of one subject down to multple things therefor by possibly giving the audience a different impression on whats being said.

Sorry if your thinking of it as a one on one convo and are just trying to get all parts replied to and covered but seeing as its obvious theirs an audience i find it hard to believe thats your reasons.

I am just trying to reply to all points.

And since you're apparently a former debator, what does you alleged training tell you about making hasty generalizations and strawmanning_ What does it tell you about completely misrepresenting someones position or lying about what they've said_ What does it tell you about making ad hominem attacks or straight up insulting people_

Don't you think those are things that would give an uninformed public a different impression than what was said_ Take a good look in the mirror and at your debate tactics, because you're just as guilty of trying to sway using fallacious reasoning as anybody you accuse.

Are we done here_ Can we get back to discussing the real topics_
Or are you going to make this about me again_

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But to ask you ajk do you think all this negativity on the forums post after post is a positive thing for the community_

I'm just trying to get some solid information and figure out where the game is heading. I think that's positive.

Of course, if all the info that comes to light looks bad, things are going to get negative.
But I'm not one to stuff my fingers in my ears and try to ignore it.

You don't like it, you can ignore me.
Tada. Your problem is solved.

[Skitzo1d]

Harlotry, on August 18 2014 - 04:33 PM, said:

Skitzo1d, on August 18 2014 - 04:29 PM, said:

Harlotry, on August 18 2014 - 04:15 PM, said:

Skitzo1d, on August 18 2014 - 04:11 PM, said:

But to ask you ajk do you think all this negativity on the forums post after post is a positive thing for the community_

No worse for a community than a development team abandoning an early access game they've been charging money for.

Has this happened_ So far ita all speculation and all this negativitt is nothing but disruptive.

Yea it wud be nice to have updates to appease people but everyone who has played this game and gotten their entertainment value out of it has done just that gotten their money worth already.

If i went to the arcade and played 300 hours worth how much wud i spend_ A butt ton. Also look at if u buy a single player game and normally 50 dollars and you play it for 30 to 50 hours average thats 1 dollar per hour entertainment value. Ask yourself how nuch entertainment value youve gotten out of hawken_ Only ones tgat have right o be upset are ones that put early money into it by hundreda ir thousands and might feel loss out of tgeir money but thats what risk you also take. Also same for mc money left unused and unrefunded

But again its alk soeculation and until it happens you should not be upset. If it hapoens i can understand the upsetness and anger over feelig cheated. Until then chill_

Again, you don't understand what the Early Access part means.  It means we spend money knowing the game isn't finished, and the developers promise to finish it.  It's been months since new content, and everyone at Adhesive has gone MIA, the signs of the game being abandoned.  Are we supposed to wait for a formal release saying the game is done_  That probably will never come.  So when do we consider Hawken dead_

Stop being dense.  The game is dying.  People have every right to demand answers.  You don't just kill of an Early Access title.  This wasn't a finished product.  If there was no intention to finish it, then you should've never charged, even if it was optional.

Without charging do how do you think they wud finish a game_ Do you think they entered making a game with for knowledge we are never going to finish it and steal all their moniez_

Early access always has that risk and by paying you are taking that risk. Again noone forced you to do anything.

Like i said i understand being upset but veenting anger has that ever been a good tging in history _ Unless it was on a punching bag so you dont go hit someone. But seriously just chill_ See what happenz and you might be pleasently surprised. If indeed your right then bleed your hearts out and cry foul to everyone you see if you feel robbed and didnt get your money worth. Other than when the time comes its all here say.

[Razataz]

Skitzo1d, on August 18 2014 - 04:34 PM, said:

Harlotry, on August 18 2014 - 04:28 PM, said:

DerMax, on August 18 2014 - 04:21 PM, said:

Skitzo1d, on August 18 2014 - 04:18 PM, said:

But is forum negativity the best and constructive thing to do_

What do you suggest_

Obviously we should quietly bend over and take it.  If we pretend we like it, Adhesive will finish sooner.

Chill abd see wat happens_ Is complaining going to accomplish anything_ Until it happens and u know facts anger over the unknown is pointless as i see it. If you see it differently then well have to agree to disagree

Yeah, except it's not anger over the unknown. It's anger about the devs disrespecting the community and leaving us in the dark.

[Skitzo1d]

AsianJoyKiller, on August 18 2014 - 04:36 PM, said:

Skitzo1d, on August 18 2014 - 04:11 PM, said:

Because when you break it apart and seperatly reply to statements that are linked in context by reading just your quote grabs sometimes would give a different impression to a reader than if they read he original. You dont always do it ajk so dont get that wrong but yes you do do it on some it. Maybe this is your way of replying to one person as if this is a one on one convo but being a former debator i see this tactic as a way to try to sway an uninformed public by breaking context of one subject down to multple things therefor by possibly giving the audience a different impression on whats being said.

Sorry if your thinking of it as a one on one convo and are just trying to get all parts replied to and covered but seeing as its obvious theirs an audience i find it hard to believe thats your reasons.

I am just trying to reply to all points.

And since you're apparently a former debator, what does you alleged training tell you about making hasty generalizations and strawmanning_ What does it tell you about completely misrepresenting someones position or lying about what they've said_ What does it tell you about making ad hominem attacks or straight up insulting people_

Don't you think those are things that would give an uninformed public a different impression than what was said_ Take a good look in the mirror and at your debate tactics, because you're just as guilty of trying to sway using fallacious reasoning as anybody you accuse.

Are we done here_ Can we get back to discussing the real topics_
Or are you going to make this about me again_

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But to ask you ajk do you think all this negativity on the forums post after post is a positive thing for the community_

I'm just trying to get some solid information and figure out where the game is heading. I think that's positive.

Of course, if all the info that comes to light looks bad, things are going to get negative.
But I'm not one to stuff my fingers in my ears and try to ignore it.

You don't like it, you can ignore me.
Tada. Your problem is solved.

Incapable of chilling and see what happens_ No generalization seriously asking can we just chill_

[Harlotry]

Skitzo1d, on August 18 2014 - 04:47 PM, said:

AsianJoyKiller, on August 18 2014 - 04:36 PM, said:

Skitzo1d, on August 18 2014 - 04:11 PM, said:

Because when you break it apart and seperatly reply to statements that are linked in context by reading just your quote grabs sometimes would give a different impression to a reader than if they read he original. You dont always do it ajk so dont get that wrong but yes you do do it on some it. Maybe this is your way of replying to one person as if this is a one on one convo but being a former debator i see this tactic as a way to try to sway an uninformed public by breaking context of one subject down to multple things therefor by possibly giving the audience a different impression on whats being said.

Sorry if your thinking of it as a one on one convo and are just trying to get all parts replied to and covered but seeing as its obvious theirs an audience i find it hard to believe thats your reasons.

I am just trying to reply to all points.

And since you're apparently a former debator, what does you alleged training tell you about making hasty generalizations and strawmanning_ What does it tell you about completely misrepresenting someones position or lying about what they've said_ What does it tell you about making ad hominem attacks or straight up insulting people_

Don't you think those are things that would give an uninformed public a different impression than what was said_ Take a good look in the mirror and at your debate tactics, because you're just as guilty of trying to sway using fallacious reasoning as anybody you accuse.

Are we done here_ Can we get back to discussing the real topics_
Or are you going to make this about me again_

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But to ask you ajk do you think all this negativity on the forums post after post is a positive thing for the community_

I'm just trying to get some solid information and figure out where the game is heading. I think that's positive.

Of course, if all the info that comes to light looks bad, things are going to get negative.
But I'm not one to stuff my fingers in my ears and try to ignore it.

You don't like it, you can ignore me.
Tada. Your problem is solved.

Incapable of chilling and see what happens_ No generalization seriously asking can we just chill_

Nope.  Don't like it, leave.