150 replies to this topic

[LaurenEmily]

I don't get it. It is not uncommon to hear stuff like 'scout is op'or 'scouts are scumbags', Sure that thing is fast as heck and majors in running away with 3 or less health left but all it takes is one mistake or a good hit and the scout pilot is gone. Someone care to share what am i missing here because i don't hate them ?

[Merl61]

Just the casuals complaining. No legitimate player thinks scout is op.

[Odra]

Most mechs with an experienced pilots could fall into the same "I hate ______" argument.

 

The one mistake/one hit argument does little to counter the effectiveness of a seasoned pilot; Just because an overpowered cannon made out of thin glass does not mean it is balanced.

 

While it is admirable for a player to attain high proficiency with a mech(s) the game should not allow for such a player to trounce an entire server, no matter how much satisfaction it brings to one's ego.

 

Just the casuals complaining. No legitimate player thinks scout is op.

 

The alienation of "casuals" is one of the reasons for such a low, stagnating population of Hawken.

Edited by Odra, 24 March 2015 - 12:22 AM.

[Houruck]

Just the casuals complaining. No legitimate player thinks scout is op.

That was a bit harsh, but he is right. Scout seems OP to new players because it is fast and hard to hit if if you still learn the game and it has powerful burst weapons even though sustained fire weapons are the new king.

[EM1O]

Flak Cannon Scout is a hoot!  HEAT Scout is splashy goodness. BOOM shakalaka :)

I'm the skrubby king of casual, and I luv dat scooter!

[LaurenEmily]

Yeah that's what i thought, just sour grapes when people get killed by something they didn't manage to hit once.
Guess it's all about mobility and how important that is in hawken.
Anyway i bought a scout long time ago but haven't used it once mainly because of the reputation it has.
Maybe i should give it a spin then.

[MomOw]

IMHO scout is hated because it's the favorite pub stomping mech of some good players, it's hard to hit, and its even worse with ping > 100

[Merl61]

That was a bit harsh, but he is right. Scout seems OP to new players because it is fast and hard to hit if if you still learn the game and it has powerful burst weapons even though sustained fire weapons are the new king.

It was supposed to be:)

[Lioot]

Its honestly one of my favourite mechs, and I don't think that the scout is hated for being the kind of mech it is, rather more so the player using it. But people don't normally lash out at other players... unless you know them really well and they lash out at you too which is fine

[JeffMagnum]

While it is admirable for a player to attain high proficiency with a mech(s) the game should not allow for such a player to trounce an entire server, no matter how much satisfaction it brings to one's ego.

 

 

Not that I think stomping entire servers is a good thing, but what are you suggesting to prevent it here? Artificial handicaps on players who start to score well? Unless Hawken's mechanics change drastically, there's always going to be a huge skill gap that lets people do this. It also doesn't help that a lot of people outside of NA have to play on US servers with terrible ping due to the low population.

[LoliconBukakke]

Most new players i see never use the burst on the tow rocket. Once i figured out how to use it right they just became a nuisance. They arent OP, but they are incredibly annoying to fight, esp with my big bulky incinerator. 

[Odra]

Not that I think stomping entire servers is a good thing, but what are you suggesting to prevent it here? Artificial handicaps on players who start to score well? Unless Hawken's mechanics change drastically, there's always going to be a huge skill gap that lets people do this. It also doesn't help that a lot of people outside of NA have to play on US servers with terrible ping due to the low population.

 

I have no clear suggestions, otherwise I would have proposed some.

 

The opportunity presented by having Hawken in the hands of new owners offers many possibilities for improvement, whether it be rebalancing mechs or gameplay itself.

 

At the moment all we can hope for is that Reloaded takes a hard and objective view on how the current game has failed to attract and retain newcomers and try different ways to resolve such failings. I doubt they will get there without issues as people don't like their toys being messed with.

[Dawn_of_Ash]

What!? I LOVE THE SCOUT! :D

 

They die so fast...

[Dawn_of_Ash]

Its honestly one of my favourite mechs, and I don't think that the scout is hated for being the kind of mech it is, rather more so the player using it. But people don't normally lash out at other players... unless you know them really well and they lash out at you too which is fine

 

LIOOT, STOP USING YOUR STUPID SCOUT AND FIGHT ME LIKE A MAN!!!! >:D

 

Also, those scanners dude. -__-

[LarryLaffer]

Most new players i see never use the burst on the tow rocket. Once i figured out how to use it right they just became a nuisance. They arent OP, but they are incredibly annoying to fight, esp with my big bulky incinerator. 

Incinerator is the last mech to be annoyed by Scouts tbh unless you're half-dead or using M4MA.

Edited by LarryLaffer, 24 March 2015 - 01:53 AM.

[opicr0n]

People hate the scout because of Greedy ;) he too good in his fast mech.

Edited by opicr0n, 24 March 2015 - 02:02 AM.

[LaurenEmily]

People hate the scout because of Greedy ;) he too good in his fast mech.

Oh it is true that he can be a pain in the butt, but even then it's not scout's fault. He said he's even more op in his assault and i believe that. Somehow all the focus seems to be more on skilled scouts than skilled anything else.

[Kopra]

Not that I think stomping entire servers is a good thing, but what are you suggesting to prevent it here? Artificial handicaps on players who start to score well? Unless Hawken's mechanics change drastically, there's always going to be a huge skill gap that lets people do this. It also doesn't help that a lot of people outside of NA have to play on US servers with terrible ping due to the low population.

For a handicap there is the restricted amount of items for each life. Then again one can suicide and refresh the items.

[(KDR) Corrupted64]

I'm a Hawken neewbie. I've just recently got a Scout it's my third Mech after the assault. While looking through the Mech options and carefully considering which one would suit my preferred play style the Scout stood out. My first few matches in the Scout I got destroyed so bad. I started to get use to how he plays with attack and dash tactics. the Scout is all about movement, if you're not dodging you're probably dead. It's terrible in the air and useless against a group of enemies (the worst choice for bot destruction). I enjoy playing as the Scout and I'm still getting the hang of it but I know one strafe in error and it's over.    

Edited by Corrupted64, 24 March 2015 - 02:31 AM.

[ThirdEyE]

It's been the go-to pubstomp mech for as long as I can remember.  History like that gives it a bad reputation regardless of its current state.

 

Even though it's currently balanced in high tier play, for the 95+% of other matches it's still a bit too strong imo.  Not sure how, but it would be nice to make it less effective in the majority of matches without making it obsolete for high tier play.

[Lioot]

LIOOT, STOP USING YOUR STUPID SCOUT AND FIGHT ME LIKE A MAN!!!! >:D

 

Also, those scanners dude. -__-

Is it because I stomp you in the scout with and without scanners?

 

But yeah, air bursting is essential to the game and I don't think its importance is expressed enough in the tutorial or that they get used to the travel time for it. AND WHO IS GREEDY

[LaurenEmily]

Is it because I stomp you in the scout with and without scanners?
 
But yeah, air bursting is essential to the game and I don't think its importance is expressed enough in the tutorial or that they get used to the travel time for it. AND WHO IS GREEDY

Greedy, or Greedy_smurf is arguably the best scout player in the europe region. Never seen him play anything other than the scout and he is a beast in it. It's not uncommon to see him in the top spot hundreds of points ahead of other players.

[Guns_N_Rozer]

scout isn't a OP mech....u can destroy a Scoot easily 

[TheVulong]

Scouts used to be OP back in the day. Now they are fairly well balanced.

[n3onfx]

It's actually pretty simple. A player that's much better than the server he's in will stomp everybody. If he's in a Scout he'll be able to get from fight to fight faster and basically stomp faster. If he's good enough compared to the server to just not get hit it's the most efficient mech to stomp with.

 

In a server where most people are around the same level the Scout's worse enemy, aiming, will stop someone from just jumping from fight to fight without having to repair.

Edited by n3onfx, 24 March 2015 - 03:51 AM.

[TheFrostnessMonster]

A lot of the old-timers who posted here are right.  The Scout seems to be OP to new players because of its blistering speed and maneuverability compared to most of the other mechs.  Once you figure out how the scout handles on the ground and in the air, it is quite simple to kill if your team works together to pop it, just because it has so little health to balance out its speed advantage, it only takes a few seconds of concentrated firepower.

[Dawn_of_Ash]

Is it because I stomp you in the scout with and without scanners?

 

But yeah, air bursting is essential to the game and I don't think its importance is expressed enough in the tutorial or that they get used to the travel time for it. AND WHO IS GREEDY

 

No, it's because you literally don't play any other mech. Plus, I can remember me beating you up with my Predator. Where's that precious Scout after it's stepped on three or four mines? Oh yeah, in flames. :P

 

More seriously though,  Scouts are not OP - I cannot get the hang of the Scout and I've been trying for awhile. It's just too brittle for me and I just do not like anything about it. That's what I think when I face off against any Scout - especially Mr Lioot over there. You may be all fast and furious in the air, faking with your fancy air dodges and dukes and making people go "wow that thing is fast", but in all honesty it's armour is so bad that I feel that a few mines or a well placed Breacher, TOW, Rocket, Heat Cannon and many other things can absolutely clear a Scout's armour out. Only problem is if you go against a Scout with a G2 Assault. I don't know how people do that with two damage-over-time weapons.

Edited by Dawn_of_Ash, 24 March 2015 - 05:21 AM.

[LaurenEmily]

I don't understand g2 assault either. It feels handicapped to me, yet some people consider it the best of them all.
The opinions seem to vary a lot, for example the g2 raider is an odd out-of-place piece of garbage for most but i love it & i'm fairly succesful with it too.

[Aregon]

I don't understand g2 assault either. It feels handicapped to me, yet some people consider it the best of them all.
The opinions seem to vary a lot, for example the g2 raider is an odd out-of-place piece of garbage for most but i love it & i'm fairly succesful with it too.

The G2 Assault is bad. Liking it should make you feel bad. It was the absolute biggest disappointment I have had in any game. In professional games it is laughed at.

DO NOT SUPPORT THE G2 ASSAULT. IT IS A MISTAKE, A SHAME, A DISAPPOINTMENT AND THE WEAKEST MECH IN THE GAME.

[Hijinks_The_Turtle]

Just the casuals complaining. No legitimate player thinks scout is op.

Can we not try to sound like elitists here?  This isn't a very nice thing to say about newbies.

 

Scout is just a real fast mech, many new players don't have the reflexes to kill it.

Edited by Hijinks_The_Turtle, 24 March 2015 - 05:34 AM.

[LaurenEmily]

The G2 Assault is bad. Liking it should make you feel bad. It was the absolute biggest disappointment I have had in any game. In professional games it is laughed at.
DO NOT SUPPORT THE G2 ASSAULT. IT IS A MISTAKE, A SHAME, A DISAPPOINTMENT AND THE WEAKEST MECH IN THE GAME.

Get this: i paid real money to unlock that horrible thing because someone told me it would be worth it.

[Hijinks_The_Turtle]

Get this: i paid real money to unlock that horrible thing because someone told me it would be worth it.

[Aregon]

Can we not try to sound like elitists here? This isn't a very nice thing to say about newbies.

Get used to it. On the US side it is always like that.

EU however is open, accepting and got some amazing accents.

[Aregon]

Double post.

The Scout is a atomic glass-cannon. With a good player in hand it will be devastating.

Edited by Aregon, 24 March 2015 - 05:36 AM.

[dorobo]

It was so OP back in the day that Raiders trembled when scout approached them..

[OmegaNull]

Double post.

The Scout is a atomic glass-cannon. With a good player in hand it will be devastating.

That can be said with really any mech, but the scout (thanks to its speed) really makes trouble. However, it is not as omnipotent or as powerful as it once was. currently. for pubs it is strong, its fast, and hits like a sack of bricks, but it is fragile. You keep a scout moving long enough (and trying to evade its attacks), it will run out of steam. Either that, or hit it between dodges. Being primarily a scout pilot, I can definitely see where people can think it is OP.

 

Though, please, stop touching my scout. It has already had enough done to it. :(

Edited by OmegaNull, 24 March 2015 - 06:24 AM.

[GrizzlyBear_]

 

To be honest, I think the G2-Assault is very capable and Lauren_Emily fairly knows how to handle that Beast. It can rip like 200 or 300 HP off you in a matter of seconds and its ground speed is pretty intimidating.

Do I really have to point out, that no mech is OP and everything depends on Skill?
(Maby the reason i loose and complain much in games ;) )

[Duralumi]

Scout is utterly despised by less skilled players because of how fast it is. It's harder for them to track is all.

The higher you go in skill levels, the less potent A-classes are because their low health becomes extremely apparent as people are better at landing their shots.

 

In fact I feel bunny hopping needs to come back to make it so that A-classes are not strictly forced to hit 'n run against bigger targets.

[DreamedArtist]

quick way to rid of scouts is tow it to the face right after it dodges, I do it and it works 80 to 90% of the time.

yeah they are annoying as hell but play fire with fire, and lets see what gets done to every mech now that it was in some EU video of the new owners wanting to fix a lot of things.

[Black_Knight_Sky]

Incinerator stomp is like kryptonite to scouts.